Report: “Organizational discussions” about Chuck Pagano’s future

AP

Colts coach Chuck Pagano said Monday he’s not worried about his job. Perhaps he should be.

Chris Mortensen of ESPN reports that the Colts have had “organizational discussions” about Pagano’s future. It’s hardly a surprise, given that Pagano is under contract through 2015 only — and given that the Colts are struggling at 3-4.

With games next Monday at Carolina and the following Sunday against the Broncos, the Colts could be 3-6 entering the bye, which could result in a coaching change. In light of the success the Dolphins have had after firing coach Joe Philbin at the bye following a 1-3 start, owner Jim Irsay may be even more tempted to make a change.

The broader question is whether Irsay would fire both Pagano and G.M. Ryan Grigson at the same time. If an owner decides to make a change at General Manager during a season, there’s no reason to delay implementing the decision; otherwise, the G.M. will simply continue to prepare for free agency and the draft on his current employer’s nickel.

Regardless of when, the “if” is quickly disappearing. Irsay expects multiple Super Bowl championships during the career of Andrew Luck, and the Colts are much farther away from that goal in 2015 than they’ve ever been since Luck joined the team.

67 responses to “Report: “Organizational discussions” about Chuck Pagano’s future

  1. I am not sure if Pagano is a good coach or not, he may very well be bad. But I know Grigson is a terrible GM. He drafted Luck (as would everyone) and wasted pick after pick. He traded for Trent Richardson

    Should be fired for that alone

  2. Pagano doesnt come across as a guy who is too worried about being fired. Maybe after what he has been through with his health the possibility of getting fired just isnt that big of a deal. If thats the case then good for him.

  3. The football god’s continue to chortle at the hot mess engulfing this rat fink, slime ball, excuse making, lying, cheating, game throwing, witch hunt creating piece of crap organization. Not enough bad can happen to the Colts.

  4. The reason Pagano did not extend his contract is that he is just “playing out the string” he committed to. After he had the bout with cancer, I’m sure he figured out there a lot more important things in life than winning a football game. Any one who has faced their permanent demise at close range knows what I am talking about.

  5. I’m really enjoying this. It couldn’t have happened to a better franchise. Grigson, Pagano, Irsay et. al. What a bunch o’ swell guys…

  6. Its all on grigson for our pathetic offensive line. We’ve probably ruined Andrew Lucks natural pocket prescense with several years of the weakest O-line in football. He has no time!

  7. Jeez, the guy becomes coach of the worst team in the NFL, takes them to the playoffs three year in a row, and is somehow on the hot seat. Am I missing something? How are people like Jeff Fisher and Marvin Lewis still employed if this is the new standard?

  8. Let’s see….Bill Polian, and…..Peyton F. Manning w/equity and head coach? If Horseface the GM can be 6-0, pretty sure Peyton could coach.

  9. I like chuck. This is a bad situation, but no chamge will yield more wins. There are 4 coaches who have offensive coordinator experienced. We are stuck with the roster, its poorly constructed from top to bottom. Not even lombardic can change this. Id be way more satisfied to see griggles fall on the sword. I blame him the most. I blame pep the secondmost. Its clear that no one on the staff on the offense knows how to game plan. But it falls on pagano for lack of execution. The players still buy in for now, but pat mcafee is the only player that is consistent. and that is all we need to know.

  10. Pagano has been paid an estimated $18 million over the last 4 years. His cancer is in remission. His franchise quarterback is looking less like Peyton Manning and more like Chad Pennington every week. He will be in demand as an assistant the day he is let go.

    Who gives a hoot.

  11. As a Pats fan, I hate the Colts; but, not the fans–Irsay, Grigson and Pagano–and only because they went out of their way to hurt the Pats. The fans and players deserve better. Andrew Luck seems like a good kid, I hope he gets an organization behind him that helps him develop as a player.

  12. I love front row seats to a good old fashioned “GM stabbing coach in the back” drama. And considering Chuck is actually a pretty good guy overall, highlights exactly what kind of man Grigson is.

  13. Oh oh, one of mort’s “unnamed sources”. So all we know is the info is what the source wanted to leak regardless of wether there is an ounce of truth to it or not.

  14. Pagano isn’t great, but it’s not like he can magically make a terrible O-Line and a non-existent defense great with Pristine Pagano Paladin Powers. Grigson must have a lot of prescription pills running around for Irsay.

  15. sterilizecromartie says:
    Oct 26, 2015 8:14 PM
    Jeez, the guy becomes coach of the worst team in the NFL, takes them to the playoffs three year in a row, and is somehow on the hot seat. Am I missing something? How are people like Jeff Fisher and Marvin Lewis still employed if this is the new standard?

    Fisher is living off that Super Bowl 16 years ago. Think I saw a stat that he has only had 6 winning seasons out of 21-5 years he went 8-8. Pagano is getting Harbaughed in that he should have gotten an extention, but it is going south. And like Harbaugh, he will be coaching in the NCAA next season.

  16. A notable difference between MIA and IND…by all accounts, the Dolphins disliked/lost trust in their coach – Colts players appear to like theirs. A change could cause even more spin versus the elevation that came in FL.

  17. Bill Bellichick could not win with the current
    personnel on Colts’ D.
    Otherwise the coaching hire/fire equation is simple. Hype+high expectations+losing = you’re fired.

  18. the colts have been playing like a team with a lame duck head coach all season….Jim should have seen this coming if he wasn’t to busy tending to his own issues…

  19. sueb45 says:
    Oct 26, 2015 8:33 PM
    As a Pats fan, I hate the Colts; but, not the fans–Irsay, Grigson and Pagano–and only because they went out of their way to hurt the Pats. The fans and players deserve better. Andrew Luck seems like a good kid, I hope he gets an organization behind him that helps him develop as a player.
    ————-
    As a fellow Patriots fan, I wish I could be as magnanimous as you sueb45, but I can’t. I’m still seething over what Grigson and his cronies tried to pull, and I just hate and despise everything Colts related. Let the team spiral down into oblivion while the Patriots enjoy the playoffs. Am I bitter? Yeah, but watching the Colts self-destruct helps a little.

  20. This is all well and good iif you fire someone.. but who are you going to replace him with.
    If I’m the owner, I call a players and owner meeting ONLY.
    I hand out blank slips of paper and tell the players that a change is going to happen and we need a new leader for the remainder of the season and this will really help me with the decision making. .
    The player can either give their honest opinion and a short comment, or they can refuse to put any name on the paper at all.
    If I’m an owner and I see who the winner is and it’s by a big margin.. that is the guy I give the shot to.
    The G.M. will be terminated with the coach.
    The worst move for the Colts right now is to do nothing and get a new head at the top of the totem pole and front office.
    The longer the wait to change coarse, the higher the chances of continuing down the road to the cliff of dispair.

  21. imodan says:
    Oct 26, 2015 8:05 PM
    The football god’s continue to chortle at the hot mess engulfing this rat fink, slime ball, excuse making, lying, cheating, game throwing, witch hunt creating piece of crap organization. Not enough bad can happen to the Colts.
    ***********************
    winner

    The real problem is the Colts simply think they are MUCH better than they are – to most, they are meeting expectations

  22. I wonder if Luck would force his way out of this mess? Unlike Seattle, Irsay won’t negotiate with Luck until he has to which may p*ss off Luck even more. Demand a trade! Now that would be sweet justice.

  23. Grigsons the one that has to go, NOT Pagano
    He thinks that ALL of the OL players are as good or better than he was as an OL player and there is NO doubt about that, they are.
    Only problem is… he was a 6th round pick that spent 2 years in the NFL with 2 different teams and 1 in the CFL.
    He has done almost nothing to improve the OL. Drafted Mewhort and signed a couple of worn put FA’s.
    Luck is a pocket player that has been trained all his footbal life to go through progressions and that takes more time than THIS OL is giving.
    Watching him Sunday stare down a receiver and then getting creamed proved that for me.
    He’s got the lame shoulder to prove it now and thats ALL on Grigson, NOT Pagano.

  24. hrjx says: Oct 26, 2015 9:35 PM

    A notable difference between MIA and IND…by all accounts, the Dolphins disliked/lost trust in their coach – Colts players appear to like theirs. A change could cause even more spin versus the elevation that came in FL.

    The biggest difference is that Miami has a ton more talent than Indy.

  25. Grigson and Pagano (read: Hamilton) both haven’t done much for this team after Arians left. Shame.

    The “owner” has a lot of issues. Just because he’s not spouting off on Twitter doesn’t mean that behavior is gone. Perhaps he’ll back off if ANOTHER regime change is in the works?

    Doubtful.

    Indy’s a wannabe Dallas Cowboys with that “owner” in charge of the pay checks.

    Who knows, though? Maybe a coaching change would shake up the team? They need to draft better, though. They “lucked” into their QB situation.

  26. colt13 says:
    Oct 26, 2015 9:27 PM
    sterilizecromartie says:
    Oct 26, 2015 8:14 PM
    Jeez, the guy becomes coach of the worst team in the NFL, takes them to the playoffs three year in a row, and is somehow on the hot seat. Am I missing something? How are people like Jeff Fisher and Marvin Lewis still employed if this is the new standard?

    Fisher is living off that Super Bowl 16 years ago. Think I saw a stat that he has only had 6 winning seasons out of 21-5 years he went 8-8. Pagano is getting Harbaughed in that he should have gotten an extention, but it is going south. And like Harbaugh, he will be coaching in the NCAA next season.

    ____________________________________

    While Jeff Fisher still being a HC is a head scratcher. Bengals have stuck with Marvin Lewis and the franchise has been more successful under his watch than many of their other years, and are currently 6-0.

    If anyone deserves credit for the turnaround after 2011 it was Andrew Luck, Bruce Arians, and the AFC East. Dont forget while not proven, its debated IND “sucked for Luck”. Granted Grigson hasnt provided Pagano much to work with, but he cant consistantly win outside the weak AFC East sans .500 record outside the division.

    Harbaugh on the other hand changed the 49ers culture, reinvented a QB no one wanted. Worked magic on Kaep as well till York wanted him gone. Pagano landed the no-brainer QB and a weak division. There is no comparison to Harbaugh, he brought life to a team that was rundown for several years.

  27. Loved reading every minute of this. The poor Colts and don’t forget the poor Ravens who are also off to a stellar start this season. They both got what they deserve. Maybe if all the footballs had .02 psi less air in them they would both be undefeated!!! Make’s perfect sense right? Wrong! They are in the boat their in because both teams suck!

  28. 1 – the GM (Grigson) is terrible. Other than the obvious move of drafting Andrew Luck (everyone would have done that), he’s done very poorly. TY Hilton in the second round was the only nice surprise.
    Fire the GM

    2 – we don’t know how good a coach Pagano is, but the new GM may want his own guy, and deserves a chance. See what the new GM wants to do.

  29. Ryan Grigson needs to go, and he can take Pep Hamilton in with him. Bring on a new GM, and let him decide whether Pagano should be re-signed or not based on the performance of the team the rest of the year. The new GM better prioritize offensive line play or Luck is doomed.

  30. thetooloftools says:
    If I’m the owner, I call a players and owner meeting ONLY.
    I hand out blank slips of paper and tell the players that a change is going to happen and we need a new leader for the remainder of the season and this will really help me with the decision making. .
    ________________

    When has it ever been a good idea to let the inmates run the asylum?

  31. Ryan Grigson, Chuck Pagano, Pep Hamilton and Greg Manusky all need to go. The comeback Sunday was disappointing as a Colts fan. Multiple reports say Jim Irsay was very close to firing Grigson and/or Pagano Sunday evening. A blowout may have sealed the deal. This season is already lost, even if they manage to win the division. The sooner they pull the trigger and clean house, the better off they’ll be next season and beyond.

  32. notmattberinger says:
    Oct 27, 2015 8:55 AM
    Ryan Grigson needs to go, and he can take Pep Hamilton in with him. Bring on a new GM, and let him decide whether Pagano should be re-signed or not based on the performance of the team the rest of the year. The new GM better prioritize offensive line play or Luck is doomed.

    ——————–

    I agree that Grigson is the biggest problem and needs to go. That said, what’s the point of keeping Pagano and judging him based on the rest of this year? If he’s a bad coach as alleged by his critics, things won’t improve. If he’s a good coach who’s been anchored by poor personnel decisions as alleged by Grigson’s critics, things still aren’t going to improve because he’s going to be stuck with the same roster.

  33. Mortsenson is the source ? He lacks some integrity on reporting and facts are not his specialty. But that hasn’t stopped ESPN’s top reporter from making up bogus stories with no substance and no balance at all.

  34. deacon85 says:

    As a fellow Patriots fan, I wish I could be as magnanimous as you sueb45, but I can’t. I’m still seething over what Grigson and his cronies tried to pull, and I just hate and despise everything Colts related. Let the team spiral down into oblivion while the Patriots enjoy the playoffs. Am I bitter? Yeah, but watching the Colts self-destruct helps a little.
    ——
    🙁

  35. The Colts simply aren’t very good.

    They’ve piled up the wins against the weakest division in football over the last few years, but they are routinely drilled by the top teams (and sometimes the mediocre ones too).

    Last year they skated into the playoffs and won a game against a shot Denver team, then saw where they really stood vs NE in the AFC title game.

    They have weaknesses all over the roster and a GM who is utterly clueless to ID them let alone fix them.

    They have Luck, Hilton, Mike Adams and a few other pieces to build around. They need to gut the rest of the roster, clean out the front office and coaching staff and start over.

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