Chargers’ town-hall comments make even more clear the team’s desire to leave

AP

As the NFL checks the boxes for relocation by conducting town hall meetings in the cities that would be affected by the looming movement of one or two teams to Los Angeles, the process shifted on Wednesday night to San Diego. And the Chargers have released a copy of their remarks at the forum, which makes even more clear the team’s intent to leave for L.A.

“Over the 14 years the Chargers have worked to find a way to build a new stadium in San Diego, we have attended hundreds of town halls, community meetings and fan forums,” the team’s presentation states. “Throughout all this time, though, at least one thing has been clear: The failure to come up with an actionable plan has absolutely nothing to do with the great Charger fans. The fans are certainly not to blame for the fact that, over the years, one elected official after another has been elected after promising ‘no taxpayer money for an NFL stadium.'”

So while the Chargers stopped short of blaming Chargers fans, the Chargers are blaming those San Diegans who have elected politicians who have made good on a vow to not devote taxpayer money to a new stadium. Which means, in essence, that the Chargers have a problem not with Chargers fans but with San Diegans who have voted for politicians who have not been responsive to the efforts to build a new stadium.

“[W]e’ve tried everything we could think of to find a stadium solution,” the Chargers explain in their comments. “We made nine separate stadium proposals. . . . So it is incredibly unfair that the Chargers’ great fans are now bearing the brunt of the decisions made by politicians over the last 14 years.”

The fact that the fans are bearing the brunt of anything means that the Chargers are indeed on the brink of bolting for L.A.

The comments also outline the team’s position regarding the city’s latest proposal, which hinges the project on an environmental review process that would be fully concluded and litigated well after it’s too late for the Chargers to leave for L.A. if the effort fails.

“Under the City’s quickie environmental review plan, the City takes no risk,” the Chargers state. “If the City’s plan loses at the ballot box, or is struck down after several years of litigation by the courts, the City loses nothing other than the taxpayer money that will go to the successful plaintiffs’ lawyers. So, if you are the City, why wouldn’t you bet on even a small chance of winning, because if you lose, you don’t really lose?

“The Chargers, on the other hand, are being asked to assume all of the risk. The team bears all the risk of losing the election, or losing the [environmental impact review] challenge in court. The franchise will have wasted several years of time, given up a certain opportunity in the Los Angeles market, and, when all is said and done, likely squandered whatever negotiating leverage we had in San Diego.”

In other words, the Chargers and San Diego are at an impasse — and the only option for the Chargers at this point is to move.

98 responses to “Chargers’ town-hall comments make even more clear the team’s desire to leave

  1. San Diego local and Charger fan here

    Dean Spanos take your broke toy to LA and enjoy the spoils and legacy of embarrassment you’ve established here in San Diego.

    Players, coaches, and agents all know who and what the Chargers franchise is. It’s a poorly managed organization by an owner that strives for profit through mediocrity.

    If anything you’ve freed a loyal fan base from living a life of mediocrity through your product. That’s Carson or whoever’s problem now.

  2. Not a chargers fan, but neither am I a fan of using tax dollars to fund NFL teams. They take in millions every year, why should I be on the hook at the cash register so they get free rent? Being on the downvotes, but there are more important things for those dollars to go to instead of saving some multimillionaire a place to store his toys.

  3. As a former Baltimore Colts season ticket holder who watched his team leave town in a March snowstorm, I really, really feel for Chargers fans. I don’t want to resurrect what happened 31 years ago but there was certainly a political element to the Colts move, just as it appears to be in San Diego.

    It doesn’t matter how it happens or who’s at fault (the fingerpointing has already started); the people that will suffer are the loyal Chargers fans who will have their team ripped away from them.

    The oligarchs who run the NFL will get their cut and San Diego fans will get nothing.

    And that’s too bad.

  4. The average American purchasing a new home tends to spend anywhere from 2 to 5 times their annual income on a home loan. Why do we not expect the same of billionaires? Why do we cave, or better why are we expected to cave, when billionaires want their franchise’s new home paid for? The nfl is nonprofit according to the irs. Why? I see a lot of profit. Let these snakes slither through other grass San Diego.

  5. If only there was some billion dollar entity that already existed in San Diego that could just pay for their own stuff instead of leeching off taxpayers

  6. MOVE.

    Nothing irks me more than sports teams holding cities hostage for taxpayer funds. The USA is over $18,000,000,000,000 in debt with unfunded liabilities estimated to be $200,000,000,000,000. The last thing ANY tax dollar needs to go towards is funding a structure whose main tenant is a “member club” of a tax exempt organization that generates $6B in cash each year.

    This goes for my beloved Silver and Black. If you want a new stadium, find a way to pay for it.

  7. It’s not the fans fault

    Goodell has proven over and over that he and the Owners who pull his puppet strings, simply can’t be trusted

    How many lies was he caught on? Including quite a few lies under oath?

    No politician wants to support giving money to a corrupt league

    Few in the NFL media are willing to come right out and say it – since their bosses don’t want to piss off a $40 billion entity that the media needs access to – but it’s crystal clear to the political powers

    Do NOT under any circumstances, trust Roger Goodell or the owners

    They made that bed for themselves – now they have to lie in it (so to speak 😉

  8. If the existing stadium is ‘paid-in’full’ they have nothing to lose by letting the Charger’s leave. The City can still rent the stadium for concerts, soccer, HS Football and other events and only have normal upkeep and payroll to keep it earning for the city.
    On the other hand, a new stadium, with it’s bond issues and other up-front costs to pay litigation, construction, design, etc. I can sure see why a small city like San Diego, probably already under financial stress paying the costs for immigrants that use city services and schools without contributing can make it hard.

  9. Sad, can only imagine what it is to the fan base. 40 yrs as a football fan, not having the Chargers in SD seems wrong. But the stadium is a hole and business presses on. John Jefferson, Charlie Joyner……

  10. Did they explore the “let dean spanos and his 31 ‘work associates’ foot the bill for the new stadium, just enjoy the games charger fans” option? Economists have long known stadiums to be poor public investments. Most of the jobs created by stadium-building projects are either temporary, low-paying, or out-of-state contracting jobs—none of which contribute greatly to the local economy. Greedy, greedy, savages.

  11. Tell us again how the freaking millions upon millions the owner makes justifies using taxpayers money so he can make even more money?? The politics of the NFL is simply dumb

  12. Beautiful town but southern California has the worst fans in all of sports. L.A. will not be any better, I guarantee it. Arrive late, don’t get excited or bother to cheer for your team, leave early to beat traffic…horrible sports fans….get what they deserve

  13. Back when the Raiders and Rams were in LA they played in terrible stadiums. Almost every NFL team was getting a new (and in some cases 2nd) stadium since the Raiders/Rams had been in LA. The owners pushed the city for new stadiums. The City refused. The owners knew the NFL would never let a successful team making big money move, so the 2 owners made the decision to strip down the teams to bare bones and suck so fans wouldn’t want to see them. With bad teams and low attendance, it made it easy to move.

    The Dodgers had a 20 year playoff drought, the Clippers were awful until lately, and the Kings never won anything until a couple years ago. The last place Lakers are still supported, and have a 3 year wait for season tickets. All of them were supported during bad times… The LA “only supports a winner” is a myth.

    Cities with failed NFL franchises who now have teams again:

    Cleveland Bulldogs, Rams, Browns
    Boston Redskins
    Chicago Cardinals
    Dallas Texans
    Oakland Raiders
    Baltimore Colts
    St Louis Cardinals
    Houston Oilers

    The Rams were in Los Angeles for 48 years. That is longer than 8 current franchises have existed.

  14. 40 year Charger Fan here. Go to LA, NFL graveyard. Rams, Raiders and Chargers all left there once.

    Scouting new teams, since I cannot support the Spanos’ Chargers. Arizona Cardinals are looking pretty good, since most of Arizona comes to San Diego in the summer, we will have something to talk about.

  15. Umm…

    The Chargers are a billion+ dollar enterprise with a megarich owner.

    Explain to me why they can’t finance and build their own stadium?

    There are teams out there with open books and fan based funding that seem to manage OK. Why don’t the Chargers go this route if funding is actually the problem?

  16. too bad. there’s good people and fans in SD, but that while needing water thing is kinda more pressing with respect to taxpayer dollars

  17. In other words, the team wants the city to give them a stadium that only they benefit from.

    Yep. Sounds like a great deal for the taxpayers.

  18. so the nfl has enough cash they can throw millions at that idiot ted “saul goodman” wells to make a “report” that 4th graders around the country can find severe faults in but they need taxpayer money to build things so they can charge the same taxpayers $200 to go sit in for 4 hours? interesting.. and NO!

  19. Soooooo leave San Diego where your only fan base actually exist because you can’t get tax payers to fund your stadium and leave for Los Angeles where you have zero fan base at all and will also not give you tax payer money for a stadium? Do I have that right? Makes sense.

    Oh, and those season ticket holders you claim to have in Los Angeles… yeah, those are ticket brokers.

  20. Although any city losing its team is horrible, for San Diego to lose the Chargers to Los Angeles is attuned to San Francisco losing the 49ers to Santa Clara.

    Practically, its one of the coolest drives in America up the 5, that and there are surprisingly, public transportation options available for San Diegans to take a train into town.

    San Diego is an awesome, awesome city with some of the most relaxed people I’ve ever met, its a shame to lose their team. But as a Vikings fan? My recommendation is to just quit whining about the 40 bucks everyone will pay to keep your team.

    There are numerous advantages. Having an NFL team is better than not having one. The tax revenue generated, as well as augmented revenue generated via media and developmental income will make the investment profitable. Use the benefits your awesome city can provide, you will be in the Super Bowl rotation indefinitely, and you can show off the fact that your city is in the most envious geographical location of any major metro in the nation(again, take it from someone from the Twin Cities, its snowing, I would know.)

    But I’m not certain the Chargers will move. They need a seminal moment, like Zigi Wilf’s personal plane landing at LAX a few years ago to light the fire. Its possible. But if they did move it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world, you still live in arguably the best city in America and your team is just up the road.

    Good luck SD. Fingers crossed here.

  21. Goodbye & Good RIDDANCE !

    …& why:

    Remember this is the same ownership regime, that negotiated a “ticket guarantee”. As a result,
    between 1997 & 2004, the city of San Diego PAID the Chargers $36.4 million.

    In 1995, Mayor Susan Golding guided this “deal” through the San Diego City Council. In 1998 Mayor Susan embarked on a brief, ill fated run for the US Senate. Her “campaign” was primarily financed by Chargers owner Alex Spanos.

    “Surprise, surprise, surprise!”

    What a coincidence.

    After the way “say hey Alex” treated the late, great Don Coryell; does it really come as a shock that son Deano, would treat the loyal, long suffering fans any differently?

    In my humble opinion, the Spanos clan can pack their bags, & take their bush-league, money
    grubbing organization anywhere Other Than Here.

    Goodbye & Good RIDDANCE!!!

  22. How about owners buy their own stadiums. As long as communities are stupid enough to give handouts to billionaire owners of a league which basically prints it’s own money. Personally I live in LA and don’t care who moves here because I’m never going to pay a kings ransom to attend a game. TV at home or my local sports bar works for me.

  23. Our current mayor never stated “no tax payer money”. He always says it has to be a deal that is good for the taxpayer. This is another way the Chargers manipulate the truth.

    “We’ve tried everything we can think of” except work with the only mayor over the last 14 years that is interested in a stadium solution.

    “We made nine separate stadium proposals” … none with the current mayor.

    The truth is over the last 2 years the Chargers have been working solely on the LA market and have ignored all of their San Diego options and lying about it.

  24. wInstead of continuing to beat on a long dead horse, the Chargers should just pack up and leave for the one place that is desperate enough to fund a new stadim with taxpayers’ money – St Louis.

    LA does not want to fund any stadium with taxpayer monies, so they too do not want the Chargers. The Rams have their own deal set on land they own so they are ready to leave St Louis.

    St Louis is the only place ready to give a NFL team the taxpayer handout to the Chargers are seeking so why dilly-dally any longer begging for taxpayer handouts California when St Louis is begging for a team to replace the Rams?

  25. Instead of continuing to beat on a long dead horse, the Chargers should just pack up and leave for the one place that is desperate enough to fund a new stadim with taxpayers’ money – St Louis.

    LA does not want to fund any stadium with taxpayer monies, so they too do not want the Chargers. The Rams have their own deal set on land they own so they are ready to leave St Louis.

    St Louis is the only place ready to give a NFL team the taxpayer handout to the Chargers are seeking so why dilly-dally any longer begging for taxpayer handouts California when St Louis is begging for a team to replace the Rams?

  26. Choo choo, looks like the charger express are laying down some new tracks….., and sorry Humboldt it’s not the super bowl

  27. “We made nine separate stadium proposals. . . . So it is incredibly unfair that the Chargers’ great fans are now bearing the brunt of the decisions made by politicians over the last 14 years.”

    “because I’m a money grubbing owner and don’t give a damn about history, fans and municipal impact”

    Typical- see MPLS paying out the butt to keep the Vikings.

    It’s all about the dollar huh NFL…

  28. It is surprising that they could not make the money work. They could build small. They really don’t need a trophy room, maybe just a locker.

  29. The truth be told, the only people who truly pay for the stadium are usually the fans going to the game by paying hotel, motel, liquor and food excise taxes. It’s usually those excise taxes that fund a new stadium, which are paid by the people who visit them.

    So if the City of San Diego and their fans don’t want to pay for it, that is their right. Just don’t complain when they leave.

  30. I am incredibly ignorant on this subject, so can someone explain to me why the taxpayers are expected to fund a football stadium for a billionaire owner of an NFL team? If you own a team, shouldn’t you provide the facility for that team? Robert Kraft built his own stadium and didn’t put the burden on the taxpayers. Not all taxpayers are NFL fans. Why should their dollars fund a football stadium for a billionaire? I just can’t wrap my head around this.

  31. The politicians are only doing what the majority of the voters want. The fans that want the teams to stay and are willing to pay should be allowed to to buy “stock” in a new stadium. If the rules say a team can’t be publicly owned, what about a REIT for the stadium?

  32. Just leave the entire state of California. Let’s get another team in Texas or something like that. No one should do business in California anyway.

  33. Congrats San Diegans. May all fans of cities vote to let the billionaire boys club finance their own stadiums.

  34. I do blame the poor fan base. It’s a home game for every opponent that plays at Qualcomm. Easily 75-25% opponent fans to Charger fans. Where are all the Charger fans that supposedly support their team?

  35. Would be amusing to see all three teams burning all their bridges and then absolutely everything in LA falling completely apart at the last minute.

  36. The Chargers do not understand that free money from the taxpayers is just not possible. They can have a new stadium if they pay for it.

    Here’s my issue: the Chargers receive $225 million per year from the NFL from revenue sharing. The salary cap is $143 million. Throw in $32 million for coaches, staff, and office salaries and they have total costs of $175 million. That leaves $50 million per year of profit. I think that is sufficient to cover loans for a small stadium say 25,000 seats. They won’t go that small because of greed.

    How many other businesses are there with a guaranteed profit regardless of actual product quality? I can only think of public utilities. The NFL must stop looking for public handouts.

  37. The Chargers have tried everything? How about they fund the stadium themselves. Then they could honestly say they’ve tried everything.

  38. Is it impossible for the Chargers (or any team) to fund their own stadium?

    The simple answer is no.

    The Chargers want the government to build their stadium. This type of blackmail has played itself out many times in sports.

    Another reason to be happy as a fan of Boston sports.

  39. Steelers fan here; speaking for every Steelers fan I know, we love SAN DIEGO and will always support the CHARGERS.

  40. Why SHOULD the taxpayer have to foot the bill for the stadium? The NFL makes billions of dollars, why can’t they pay for something that they’ll be using? Or should I ask the government to pay for my new house I’m planning on building?

  41. The sense of entitlement that the taxpayers are somehow obligated to “help” build a stadium for a pro football team is pathetic. With the current regime in the NFL front office, I wouldn’t be too optimistic about the success of a franchise in LA.

  42. Okay. Charge Spanos a $500 million relocation fee, which is on the low side if you believe all the hype about the potential of the LA market. The problem is that he doesn’t have it. He can’t build a stadium on his own. It is clear from the forum that moving to LA will lose most of the fan base in San Diego. Where is the LA group pleading for the Chargers to move? It doesn’t exist or is to small to mater. On the flip side, there is an enormous Rams contingent that is very vocal about bringing them back. The owners need to hammer out an equalization payment to the Chargers for “losing” LA. It has to beequal to or more than the estate taxes due to Uncle Sam when Alex Spanos (the actual owner) passes away. If that occurs, Dean Spanks and the kids running the Chargers will back down.

  43. Hate to see any of the 3 teams move. They should expand to LA except there’re aren’t enough QB’s to go around now.

  44. I applaud the people of San Diego for their stand. It remains amazing that people with a net worth in the billions think that they should get stadiums for free, paid for by people with a net worth in the thousands who do well just to tread water economically.

  45. I lived in San Diego for a few years and there are some die hard Charger fans there. Also millions of transplants who don’t give a damn about the Chargers. For every Chargers home game against the Raiders, it seemed that the stadium would be overrun by Raiders fans from LA. You’d always see something in the news after the game about fights and brawls in the parking lot. Most San Diegans HATE LA. I don’t think many will travel up there for games. If the Chargers do move to LA, they will have no fans up there at all. Have they thought about that?

    I don’t understand how they built Petco Park, which in my opinion is an awesome stadium, but they can’t build the Chargers one. Chargers brass had better go up and do some more homework on what their fan base will be in LA, because I think it will be nobody at all and they’ll have an empty stadium for every game.

  46. …….did i miss something?….I don’t think the LA population or fans are going to foot the bill for a new stadium , so why move there Chargers? This whole blackmailing the taxpayers has come to an end…the best thing for Spanos is to sell the team to someone who will build a new stadium in a great city like San Diego. That old saying ” If u build it, they will come’ is true.

  47. Can we not pretend that the team is the only one to benefit from a stadium? The City makes a lot of money in hotel and sales taxes on the people who visit for games, plus all of the money the put into the local economy at restaurants, bars and other entertainment.

    It’s better to be a city with an NFL team than to not be.

  48. ““Over the 14 years the Chargers have worked to find a way to build a new stadium in San Diego, we have done everything we could to extort a billion dollars from the taxpayers and are extremely disappointed they said no to the billionaires boys club. Its shocking that a city desperate for funds to maintain police, fire, emt emergency personnel, teachers and other vital employees doesn’t want to simply hand over a billion dollars. We just don’t understand it.”

    There fixed the quote for you. No welfare for these scummy, ultra greedy billionaires. They can afford their own stadiums and should not be getting a dime of public money.

  49. Yes because when I vote for a politician the most important factor I take into account is whether they’re going to build a new stadium for my NFL team. Seriously?

  50. truths4all says:
    Oct 29, 2015 2:14 AM
    Instead of continuing to beat on a long dead horse, the Chargers should just pack up and leave for the one place that is desperate enough to fund a new stadim with taxpayers’ money – St Louis.

    St Louis is the only place ready to give a NFL team the taxpayer handout to the Chargers are seeking so why dilly-dally any longer begging for taxpayer handouts California when St Louis is begging for a team to replace the Rams?
    ========

    Because moving your franchise to LA immediately and dramatically increases its value. Moving it to St. Louis does not.

    Why do you think the owner of the current St. Louis team wants to move to LA?

  51. waynewolf13 says:
    Oct 29, 2015 9:08 AM

    I don’t understand how they built Petco Park, which in my opinion is an awesome stadium, but they can’t build the Chargers one.

    ===========

    Ummmm……..81 home dates a year versus 8?

  52. You didn’t need the town hall meeting to know this.

    You needed the Raiders and Steelers fans at Qualcomm to know that the Chargers fans are supporting the team less due to their readiness to say goodbye to the hometown team.

  53. Spanos saw how much money the LOS ANGELES Clippers sold for recently, and he just wants a piece of that action.

    There is no other explanation for, at minimum, 3 teams wanting to move to LA today where 2 teams have already left town. Teams that I have read about at one point or another being considered for Los Angeles are Jacksonville, St. Louis, Oakland, Minnesota and San Diego.

    Maybe Los Angeles does deserve another crack at an NFL team. But, I don’t think more than 1 should be considered until it is proven that they can actually keep the one they do get. Oakland and St. Louis seem like the best options to be that one team, since both were there once already and are considering coming back. They already have a decent fan base to build from.

  54. As the Clash would say “”Should I Stay or Should I Go”.

    The winner in this 3 horse race is the one that “Stays” in their current city.

    Oakland Raiders will prevail with a new stadium, just not sure when!

  55. “We’ve tried everything we could think of to find a stadium solution”.

    Uh, no they haven’t. How about a solution that uses no taxpayer money?

  56. As a San Diego resident, have to agree with the team. These proposals have gone on for years but one inept politician after the other pushing it back keeping it off their own plates as to defer a decision upon some other elected official. This city, not the fans mind you, have no one to blame but themselves. And then they have to face the reality of a dump of a stadium that has college and/or high school games maybe 12 days a year and RV tent sales! So how can they justify the $2 million a year or so to “maintain” the facility? What then? Who cares, let some other politician decide as long as its not on my tenure I don’t have to be blamed if something goes wrong. Nice attitude, so instead of taking a lead to get something done they’ve run away with tails between their legs.

  57. As an abstract concept, yes, NFL owners should build and maintain their own stadiums. However, in practice, cities desperate for an NFL team will pay for a new stadium in order to get one. That puts pressure on the current city to match the offer of the luring city, leading to the situation we have today, where cities contribute to the construction of new stadiums. The NFL has used the LA market to get cities to fund stadiums for the last 20 years. But they will take care not to put teams in all of the cities that want them, so that they can extract taxpayer funds for future stadiums. A high-priced game of musical chairs. That said, the Chargers are not a charity and would be foolish not to try to minimize costs by having someone else pay for their stadium. That is the state of the NFL. market today. To be in it, a city has to be ready to pony up big bucks for a stadium. Kudos to them for refusing to play that game. Just don’t complain when you lose your franchise because someone else will come up with the money.

  58. California is pretty much bankrupt and LA has become a sleazy third world cesspool, so where is LA getting the money to bribe three NFL teams to move there?

  59. A billionaire with a multi billion dollar league can’t afford his own stadium? Screw these people. Public financing of pro sports venues should be illegal.

  60. I question the very opening line talking about “hundreds” of town hall meetings and other public events. They’d have needed to of been having one every couple of weeks over that span to get well into the hundreds and guaranteed their top brass wasn’t spending that much time rubbing elbows with the fans.

  61. Fake French Accent says:
    Oct 29, 2015 12:59 AM
    “Although any city losing its team is horrible, for San Diego to lose the Chargers to Los Angeles is attuned to San Francisco losing the 49ers to Santa Clara.

    Practically, its one of the coolest drives in America up the 5, that and there are surprisingly, public transportation options available for San Diegans to take a train into town.”

    What? You obviously have made that drive maybe once?
    It is god awful. The 5 one of the coolest drives? Had to laugh at that one.

  62. “So, what are you going to do after high school?”

    “Man, probably just move out to California…maybe the Bay. Or maybe SAN DIEGO! Perfect weather, beaches, super chill. Tons of weed, play my guitar, just maybe, like, get a job to, like, pay fer stuff.”

    Decades of this…and now their broke? Imagine that! Try clean drinking water and funding emergency services first. Then worry about an NFL stadium. By the way, the Spanos family are greedy and I fundamentally don’t agree with taxpayers footing the bill for stadiums, but this just in….they likely pay the same amount in taxes yearly as 10,000 of the average Charger fans do.

  63. NFL, go ahead and chase the money.

    Might as well move ALL the teams out of the country. I can watch games three days a week.

    Also, since you are in bed with fantasy gambling and promote it like crazy, there is no need for rooting for a home team any longer.

  64. I just don’t get people on here that scream about using tax payers money. You people do realize that the NFL is a GIANT moneymaker – not just for the owners and the team but for the community as well. Heck, taxes each year on player salaries alone are in the millions. Plus team employees salaries and their spending in the community. Plus taxes on game tickets. Plus taxes on concessions. Plus taxes on parking. Plus taxes on hotels and restaurants each weekend of a home game. Plus taxes on merchandise. Plus taxes on Local advertising. You people know the team and games generate revenue for the community, right? That it’s not just millions they are throwing down a hole and building the stadium on top of….

    Oh, did I mention the hundreds, maybe THOUSANDS of jobs the new stadium generates over the two years building it? Good paying constructions jobs. Guess what? Those job earnings get taxed too! Don’t forget the hundreds of jobs needed to run the team locally…

    The Buffalo Bills built their stadium in 1972 for $24 million and people complained about the taxpayer money for Erie County. Do you think Erie County has made their $24 million back?

  65. So what exactly is so wrong with Qualcom Stadium that it needs to be replaced? They already have a perfectly adequate stadium. There is no *need* for a new one.

    Chargers owners just need to shut up and work on fielding a decent team that will win more games. That is how you build a fan base, not by having an expensive new stadium. When you have the fan base built you’ll have the income to build whatever stadium you want… on your own dime!

  66. “Let the NFL owners find their own stadiums.”
    Assuming NFL stadiums are ONLY used 10 times a year for NFL games, this would be a legitimate argument.
    People ignore the massive positive impact that a large stadium venue has on a local economy hosting events outside of NFL games. Tax payer contribution is justified.

  67. donatocha33 says:
    Oct 29, 2015 10:52 AM
    Fake French Accent says:
    Oct 29, 2015 12:59 AM
    “Although any city losing its team is horrible, for San Diego to lose the Chargers to Los Angeles is attuned to San Francisco losing the 49ers to Santa Clara.

    Practically, its one of the coolest drives in America up the 5, that and there are surprisingly, public transportation options available for San Diegans to take a train into town.”

    What? You obviously have made that drive maybe once?
    It is god awful. The 5 one of the coolest drives? Had to laugh at that one.

    ***********

    Man, you just stole the words from my mouth (or fingers in this case). Driving up I5 North, say to take a flight out of LAX, what a creepy nightmare.

  68. in 2003 the owners were going to self finance the stadium f0r ~350 million in return they asked for the land to be transferred and if memory serves a bond for traffic improvements. The Chargers were going to pay for the environmental clean up (which there is a lot), the stadium and build mixed use. The politicians were short sighted, not thinking of the tax revenue that would be generated from now until we stop paying taxes. And no way that stadium that costs the tax payers more than 12 mil per year to maintain will be standing after they leave…so good by SDSU football as well.

  69. The drive up freeway 5 is ugly. I have to think the person meant highway 1 or highway 101. I remember as a child highway 1 was the only way up to LA and we had family up north and went often. My God it was beautiful back then.

  70. Something is worth what someone will pay for it.

    LA will build a stadium, thus the Chargers have earned that offer. As long as cities will tempt teams to move with stadium deals, this will happen and it should, in a free society. I know it hurts but sometimes you dont’ know what you got until it’s gone.

  71. At this point I’d rather see the Raiders come here just so this city can be free of Dean Spanos and his loser organization. I feel bad for Philip Rivers, Antonio Gates, and Eric Weddle, another group of amazing players that can be inducted into the ‘Chargers Hall of Player Careers We’ve Ruined’. I root for the Chargers out of pride for my city, cause I love San Diego. I’ll root for whoever players here. I’ll be damned if I continue to root for them when they move.

  72. I don’t post here often, but as a 20 year season ticket holder a few comments.

    First, Qualcomm stadium is a dump. Sure, they could play there a few more years, but it’s not a great football stadium to start (it’s one of the old round multi purpose buildings they built in the 60’s and 70’s) and it’s 48 years old.

    Second, while some may kneejerk to the “no public money for stadiums” stance, the Chargers are right when they say that they haven’t had a political structure with whom to negotiate.

    It’s possible nothing could have ever gotten done, but they have never had an honest entity in the San Diego city government to sit down and talk with.

    On the other side, you’d have to prove to me a (mostly) football only stadium makes money (or breaks even) in a year. While I think civic pride is worth something, if someone were to ever come up with an honest assessment of just what that cost is that might go a ways towards mollifying some of the nay sayers.

    Lastly, regardless what you think of Spanos, the reality is they told the city they didn’t like the current location of the stadium, and yet the city is trying to force them to take it.

    How they think they are going to force the Chargers and the NFL to stay in a place they don’t want to stay is beyond me.

    Sure, you can say if the city is going to foot part of the bill they should have some say in the location, but if it is a non-starter for the other side you can’t be surprised when they leave.

    The city missed an opportunity, because I think the NFL would have chipped in more money for a downtown stadium, because they love the idea of visiting fans being able to walk to a Super Bowl venue.

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