Grigson’s insistence on “integrity” could force NFL’s hand on Luck’s hidden injury

AP

The NFL typically doesn’t enforce aggressively the rules regarding the injury reports; otherwise, the NFL would spend most of its time investigating and punishing the various violations that often go unnoticed.

Sometimes, however, the NFL has no choice but to take action. Like when Brett Favre kept talking and talking (and talking) about a biceps tendon injury that contributed to a plunge from 8-3 to 9-7 and no playoffs in his only year with the Jets, or when Ed Reed disclosed on a radio show that he secretly had been playing for the Ravens with a shoulder injury.

Or when the team that apparently violated the rules instigated one of the biggest cheating controversies in NFL history.

“[A]ll the Indianapolis Colts wants is a completely level playing field,” Colts G.M. Ryan Grigson wrote in one of the emails that instigated “#DeflateGate. “Thank you for being vigilant stewards of that not only for us but for the shield and overall integrity of the game.”

Now that Jay Glazer of FOX has reported that Colts quarterback Andrew Luck has been playing with multiple fractured ribs — an injury not disclosed by the Colts at any time — Grigson’s past advocacy of that principle makes it harder for the league to look the other way.

“This policy is of paramount importance in maintaining the integrity of the game,” the policy regarding injury reporting states.

Integrity is integrity, regardless of context. With Grigson specifically citing “integrity” when instigating #DeflateGate and with “integrity” expressly cited in the league’s policy regarding the reporting of injuries, the league will have no choice but to take action against the Colts, if as it appears the team deliberately failed to disclose the injury based on semantics or technicalities.

89 responses to “Grigson’s insistence on “integrity” could force NFL’s hand on Luck’s hidden injury

  1. “The NFL typically doesn’t enforce aggressively the rules regarding the injury reports”

    Nor did the NFL aggressively enforce the rules regarding the doctoring of footballs. Until of course, it was the Patriots who were accused of it – then suddenly, it became the most important issue facing the game.

  2. Has it been proven that his ribs are hurt? Proven, not speculated on.

    I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s true, but “proving” it now that he’s playing again isn’t going to fly, unless we put you Pat fans in charge of the investigation.

  3. Wait…. According to Historical documents, the Colts were granted perpetual Immunity from everything when they agree to move to the AFC when the AFL and NFL merged. How else could the Colts get away with everything, like piping in crowd noises, or during the 2015 AFCC, there was no outcry about the 3of 4 Footballs were also underinflated….. LMFAO…..

  4. Grigson’s done. Just because he was with the Packs doesn’t mean he’s qualified to run a team. Just look at the Trent Richardson trade and Andre Johnson signing as examples of a guy way in over his head. After he’s fired he can be become a professional Pat’s Troll!

  5. Cesspool team with a cesspool GM. Irsay should, but won’t, take action.
    This franchise is a disgrace to the “SHIELD”!

  6. Don’t hold your breathe this will get swept under the rug. I wish I could use explicit language here because the league and goodell deserve a tongue lashing.

  7. Patriot fans are so good at finding an excuse why they’re innocent. Colt fans will accept that Grigson has been less than honest. Unless Lucks ribs really aren’t broken.

  8. All of the other teams in the league are hoping Irsay does not use this as a reason to fire Grigson – we’d like him to stick around mismanaging the Colts roster for years to come.

  9. Luck has been terrible since the Colts were caught with underinflated footballs in the AFC championship.

  10. 12444uggg says:
    Nov 2, 2015 3:42 PM
    Has it been proven that his ribs are hurt? Proven, not speculated on.

    I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s true, but “proving” it now that he’s playing again isn’t going to fly, unless we put you Pat fans in charge of the investigation.

    ___________________________________

    He has been according to the report, Im sure he still is. If not the doctor who diagnosed it Im sure has it on file once the league requests it. Not too difficult.

    From a non-Pat fan, though I wouldn’t be surprised the NFL “didnt find” anything.

  11. holla2626 says:
    Nov 2, 2015 3:42 PM
    Let’s be honest – the injury report is solely for gambling

    ========================

    I agree, but the folks that want to see the Patriots crucified because they might have violated a minor rule about air pressure can’t have it both ways. That’s called selective enforcement and it’s wrong. It doesn’t matter if you like the rule or not.

  12. If his ribs were fine, one would think Andrew Luck would get on the horn with his favorite reporter or on Twitter and deny Glazer’s report.

    Instead, silence from the Stanford grad who has always seemed to me to be a straight shooter.

    Telling, no?

  13. Speaking of league integrity Bill been in the league forever Belichick has NEVER heard of the NFL sweeping locker rooms until the Jets game.
    The league says it’s a routine procedure.
    Integrity indeed!!!

  14. Exactly why do NFL teams have to list what a players injuries are anyways? Shouldn’t they just need to report whether or not they are playing. I don’t think anytime, especially the Pats, are honest about player’s injuries.

  15. Where is the CBS, NBC, ABC, and the other NYC based news media outlets. Where is the voice of the liars on the evening news. Oh that’s right, it’s not the Patriots so nothing to see here folks, move along.

  16. The NFL won’t do anything about it. They will create some false information about it and lie as always, then sweep it under the rug. If the Pats did this…Brady playing with broken ribs and not on the injury report…how huge of an issue do you think the NFL would make of it? Probably suspend Brady for hiding the injury, and hire Ted Wells to do another paid investigation to substantiate their false information…he does that very well.

  17. Surely everyone realizes it will be little to nothing. It will be similar to the Jets penalties for tampering. A small fine.

    Patriots would be smacked hard! And a full scale investigation would already be under way. The NFL responds only to pressure, and while this will be a small football story because its only the Colts, it would be the lead stories on the national networks if it was the Patriots.

    I still can’t get over Atlanta’s penalty for piping in noise when the opposing offense was on the field. I consider that a stronger scandal than the charges of deflating footballs -that were never even close to being proved against the Patriots.

  18. holla2626 says:
    Nov 2, 2015 3:42 PM

    Let’s be honest – the injury report is solely for gambling
    ——————–

    Then it’s even more important that they are correct.

  19. Luck’s ribs are not broken .. this an excuse to cover for Luck becoming a bust. Team’s have figured out how to stop Luck – its all over TV now. Sure, his fantasy value goes up in garbage time (sometimes), but the Colts are not winning.

    Carolina will crush them tonight .. Luck may actually leave the game with broken bones before its over.

    There will be no more excuses for Luck after tonight…

  20. He must have hurt his ribs in the AFCC game because he has been terrible since then… unless there was another event that happened that night that could cause him to be unable to perform at a high level…. like 3-4 balls found to be illegally deflated?

  21. The Colts have an ace in the hole. Punish us and we will go on record with what really happened during the nfl sting of the Patriots in deflategate. Looks like the Colts have papa Goodell by the stones.

  22. rportkid says:
    Nov 2, 2015 4:01 PM
    The NFL won’t do anything about it. They will create some false information about it and lie as always, then sweep it under the rug. If the Pats did this…Brady playing with broken ribs and not on the injury report…how huge of an issue do you think the NFL would make of it? Probably suspend Brady for hiding the injury, and hire Ted Wells to do another paid investigation to substantiate their false information…he does that very well.
    _________________________________

    We NEVER have to worry about this scenerio….lol…Brady is always listed as “Questionable” on Belicheat’s injury report (as the entire league chuckles)

  23. If by chance Grigson is fired, I’m sure Roger will find a spot for him working for the NFL offices.

    He would fit right in with all the other integrity filled bozos that Roger has surrounded himself with.

    Go Pats!!!

  24. A shield throughout history has been a defensive weapon used to protect oneself. It has nothing to do with integrity. Neither does Grigson have anything to do with integrity.

  25. Colts caught cheating again! When Goodell every show consistency?

    Jets can cheat over and over, the Colts, etc, but nothing ever happens but some glossed over small fine, enabling them to continue to cheat as these AFC owners try to control Goodell to go on the attack with witch hunts vs the Pats ever 5 years to try to weaken them to keep parity in the AFC.

  26. qbarrel says:
    Nov 2, 2015 3:52 PM

    holla2626 says:
    Nov 2, 2015 3:42 PM
    Let’s be honest – the injury report is solely for gambling

    ========================

    I agree, but the folks that want to see the Patriots crucified because they might have violated a minor rule about air pressure can’t have it both ways. That’s called selective enforcement and it’s wrong. It doesn’t matter if you like the rule or not.
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    Selective enforcement is an NFL policy.

  27. It’s the colts, if they can throw games in not one but two seasons to get a franchise QB without a word being said not much will happen here. Maybe a token fine and some stern words in public and a cookie and a pat on the head in private.

  28. Those who live in glass houses that are not able to win football games, and are not able to play by the rules, and thingk they can defy the integrity of the game should not throw stones, or else be prepared to pay 5,ooo,ooo to the league.

  29. Pats fans know the drill… we are the whipping boys for the league now… A completely different standard is applied to the Patriots.

    I cannot fathom them level of media attention this would get if it was them … (the Pats) including the wall to wall “lets bring out all the hater ex jocks” on sportscenter proclaiming their ongoing disdain for the cereal cheaters and how they ruined careers by cheating and “this time Bill Belicheat should be suspended indefinitely”

    The Colts and Grigson in particular are a disgrace.
    They should be smacked down hard… but .. they won’t.

  30. Grigson probably thought that everybody plays fast and loose with the injury reports because said reports are primarily for gamblers anyway, so failing to mention Luck’s rib injury was more gamesmanship than cheating. No big deal. If that’s what he thought, he was right. Fudging the injury report affects the integrity of the game about as much as footballs inflated to 12.1 PSI instead of 12.5 PSI do.

    This is the world you helped create, Mr. Grigson. Welcome to it.

  31. Without Hasselbeck the Colts would be 1 and 6 headed into tonight’s total collapse.

    Luck is a bust .. weaknesses have been exposed and they’ll be on full display tonight.

  32. indymarc says:
    Nov 2, 2015 3:47 PM

    Patriot fans are so good at finding an excuse why they’re innocent. Colt fans will accept that Grigson has been less than honest. Unless Lucks ribs really aren’t broken.

    ——–

    wait…the way it works these days is that Luck’s ribs ARE broken until he proves otherwise. That is the standard that has been established. So, if there are no Xrays showing ribs intact during the month of October….then they’re broken.

  33. I concur! That is exactly what it is, “Selective Enforcement.” To be fair, Puppet Goodell should be fined half his salary for the leagues “selectiveness” and his spending of almost 10,ooo,ooo dollars on the flated of footballs that could have been spent on “breast cancer” research. Or maybe let the proceeds of Goodells fine be forwarded to “breast cancer” research.

  34. I cant beleive the stupid Colts managed that 1 superbowl win. Lucky for them they played a mediocre Bears team with no offense and missing their best pass rusher on D.
    The Colts did alot of damage to the Pats and Brady image with this cheating nonsense. Cant wait to see them get beat again fair and square.

  35. bemho says:
    Nov 2, 2015 4:12 PM

    The Colts have an ace in the hole. Punish us and we will go on record with what really happened during the nfl sting of the Patriots in deflategate. Looks like the Colts have papa Goodell by the stones.
    ——————————

    Everyone already knows what happened.

    -They chose to run a sting regarding air pressure on a cold and rainy winter evening, not knowing that temperature affects the measured air pressure inside of things filled with air.

    -The Colts tampered with the intercepted football by measuring the air pressure 3 times, and Kensil weighed it on a scale.

    -The measurement process at halftime was halted because the Colts footballs were measuring under 12.5PSI as well.

    Not sure how any of that helps the Colts get out of a conduct detrimental to the integrity of the game scandal.

  36. To Belichick’s point in a recent press conference, a player may play if he is out of practice, limited in practice, fully practicing, probable, questionable or doubtful. He prepares for every player on the opposing team that is active until they are downgraded to out or scratched from the game day roster.

    I would assume every coach would (or at least should) do the same thing. I don’t think the injury report is for the integrity of the game as coaches don’t really care. It’s more likely for the integrity of the point spread.

    While I think Grigson is a fool for what he did regarding deflategate, I don’t really understand how not reporting injuries really impacts the actual game. As you can see from the Colts results, if what they are doing with Luck’s status was designed to help them win…. it hasn’t.

  37. 12444uggg says:
    Nov 2, 2015 3:42 PM
    Has it been proven that his ribs are hurt? Proven, not speculated on.

    I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s true, but “proving” it now that he’s playing again isn’t going to fly, unless we put you Pat fans in charge of the investigation.
    __________________________________________

    Ummm…the Wells report acknowledged that it could not be proven that the footballs were tampered with.

    And as far as proof, well the medical records may show that…you know, things like x-rays, Dr.’s evaluation.

  38. Still waiting for someone, anyone, to explain to me why there is an NFL injury report and why the league is so strict about enforcing it that doesn’t involve gambling.

    Been asking for about 10 years or so now, still haven’t gotten an answer.

  39. I still can’t get over Atlanta’s penalty for piping in noise when the opposing offense was on the field. I consider that a stronger scandal than the charges of deflating footballs -that were never even close to being proved against the Patriots.
    _____________________________________

    Yeah, but remember the Pats penalty was stiffer because they didn’t say they did the thing they didn’t actually do.

  40. bemho says:
    Nov 2, 2015 4:12 PM

    The Colts have an ace in the hole. Punish us and we will go on record with what really happened during the nfl sting of the Patriots in deflategate. Looks like the Colts have papa Goodell by the stones.
    _______________________________________

    So, you mean they will go on record and tell us exactly what Grigson scheme was. Not much of a threat there. The Wells investigation never looked at the Colts, giving Goodel deniability. All that would do is drop the hammer on Kensil and Gigson. And the league’s P.R. machine could spin that easily as simply two rogue executives hatching a plan to frame a hated rival.

  41. indymarc says:
    Nov 2, 2015 3:47 PM

    Patriot fans are so good at finding an excuse why they’re innocent. Colt fans will accept that Grigson has been less than honest. Unless Lucks ribs really aren’t broken.
    _____________________________________

    Wells report couldn’t prove that tampering even occurred despite using Exponent for analysis and manipulating the data.

    That makes it pretty easy to think the Pats were innocent.

  42. Roger will do nothing but ignore it. The league office doesn’t care. If they cared about integrity, then after the PSI incident which According to Roger and his staff almost put the NFL out of business, they were so close to having former billionaires standing on corners asking for money. You think the league would make a part of every game to the in stadium fans and those watching at home the PSI pressure of all game balls before kickoff, at halftime and post game.

  43. This is all just a countdown to the Colts blaming this on the Patriots. They will argue that they didn’t want to reveal his injury to those dastardly Patriots who would take advantage of the knowledge.

    Watch. This will come up. Guaranteed.

  44. Judge Berman in his 40 page decision on page 7 quotes in BOLD type from the Pash/wells report the UNCERTAINTY any tampering occurred. yet the Pats are fined, lose draft picks & The GOAT Tom Brady Was suspended for more probably than not knowing about something that didn’t occur. ! Well I am sure Luck & the Colts knew he had BROKEN ribs & did not report it as required . That is a rules violation. It affects the integrity of the game, right Roger? Fines & draft picks, & 4 game suspension are in order! After all it’s about the rules , right Roger!

  45. “I cant beleive the stupid Colts managed that 1 superbowl win.”

    And they only beat the Pats because on the final drive while they were trying to come back and get a go ahead score at the end of the game, the refs called “face guarding” on Ellis Hobbs, a penalty that had been eliminated from the list 2 years before that. It would be like calling the tuck rule now 2 years after it had been taken off the penalty list.

    Replay showed no contact between Hobbs and the receiver, and there was no penalty at all. Yet the league enforced face guarding. Kraft, the Patriot players, Belichick and the coaches never once whined or complained about that.

    Can you imagine if that happened now ? Look at the whining just after last year’s playoffs by different teams and fans. Imagine if that happened to the Ravens or the Colts ? They’d be whining till the day they died.

    Not whining like Belichick and the Pats did not in that situation, that’s called class and good sportsmanship by the way.

  46. brendafortheboyz says:
    Nov 2, 2015 4:13 PM

    We NEVER have to worry about this scenerio….lol…Brady is always listed as “Questionable” on Belicheat’s injury report (as the entire league chuckles)
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    Are Patriot Haters allergic to facts or just have a problem with accepting reality.

    Brady is always listed “Questionable” on the injury report? First of all, he hasn’t been listed on the injury report once this year. So much for your always. Second he spent a few years on the injury report as Shoulder-Probable.

    So basically everything you wrote is wrong. I’m not sure why i would expect anything else from you or your ilk.

  47. i don’t understand them playing Luck if this is true. The division is incredibly mediocre, the hardest tests are yet to come, and they have a backup who was doing just fine. Luck is their future – why put him on the field in this nothing season and risk it all?

  48. brendafortheboyz says:
    Nov 2, 2015 4:13 PM

    rportkid says:
    Nov 2, 2015 4:01 PM
    The NFL won’t do anything about it. They will create some false information about it and lie as always, then sweep it under the rug. If the Pats did this…Brady playing with broken ribs and not on the injury report…how huge of an issue do you think the NFL would make of it? Probably suspend Brady for hiding the injury, and hire Ted Wells to do another paid investigation to substantiate their false information…he does that very well.
    _________________________________

    We NEVER have to worry about this scenerio….lol…Brady is always listed as “Questionable” on Belicheat’s injury report (as the entire league chuckles)
    ____________________________
    Brenda, you are the typical Patriot hater. You make things up that are not proven. You should work for BSPN. Brenda, please search the internet and post a date that Brady was listed as questionable on an injury report. I won’t expect an answer just as I never get an answer as to why the Colt’s footballs tested below the legal PSI.

  49. This all from lucks camp to explain away how TERRIBLE he has been playing. He is supposed to be the second coming.

    And all the pats fans slobbering all over themselves in every article…quickly replacing any of the top contenders for most hated fanbase.

  50. I agree that if Luck was hurt he should have been listed but other than the other team not knowing to take cheap shots at the guys ribs, what advantage does this give the Colts? He was on the injury report and missed two games prior. This is a non issue to everyone but Vegas.

  51. The Colts are going to be the only team in history to ask for an asterisk next to their own record.

    3-4*

    (in the worst division in the NFL)

    Everyone in the state of Indiana needs to run a few laps for the Colts epic failures.

  52. Hopefully Grigson the delta bravo will get fined and suspended. That said, injury reports are stupid, and only serve gamblers. Yeah I know, NFL says injury reports arent for gamblers and the NFL wants nothing to do with gambling, even though they play games in London, where gambling is legal and part of their culture. Memo to the NFL, its part of our culture and Vegas’ culture too.

  53. bushwoodcc says:
    Nov 2, 2015 5:03 PM
    bemho says:
    Nov 2, 2015 4:12 PM

    The Colts have an ace in the hole. Punish us and we will go on record with what really happened during the nfl sting of the Patriots in deflategate. Looks like the Colts have papa Goodell by the stones.
    _______________________________________

    So, you mean they will go on record and tell us exactly what Grigson scheme was. Not much of a threat there. The Wells investigation never looked at the Colts, giving Goodel deniability. All that would do is drop the hammer on Kensil and Gigson. And the league’s P.R. machine could spin that easily as simply two rogue executives hatching a plan to frame a hated rival.
    —————–
    I imagine the threat would be to name names. Who did he talk to, who called Kravitz, what was Kensil doing there and can you imagine after Kensil’s tirade on the sideline, what he said in private. Did Goodell ever talk to anyone in the Colts organization about deflategate and what was said during those discussions…was there collussion…..if Grigson wanted to talk, I imagine, we’d all like to hear what he had to say.

  54. hoosiercolts says:
    Nov 2, 2015 6:36 PM
    I agree that if Luck was hurt he should have been listed but other than the other team not knowing to take cheap shots at the guys ribs, what advantage does this give the Colts? He was on the injury report and missed two games prior. This is a non issue to everyone but Vegas.
    —————–
    Funny how when it comes to the Patriots, Colts fans live and die by the rule book–to hear them talk a minute amount of air in a football is the most important part of the game…but the fact that not listing a player’s injury whether or not they play or miss an injury is not only in the rule book, it specifically says that this rule goes to the integrity of the game.

  55. Integrity as in, NFL needs to know who is injured so the betters know whats going on. With that said, shouldn’t the Cardinals get in trouble about John Brown? He was suited and ready to go and they decided to not play him at all. He was suited up on the sideline just watching the whole game. Isn’t that a violation?

  56. No. I don’t want any penalty to the Colts to be more than a fine. That’s reasonable.

    Why? Because in the Brady appeal and in any defamation lawsuit I want this whole “integrity” argument to be exposed to the court as the complete sham that it is and I want the league to explain the difference.

    🙂

  57. 12444uggg says: Nov 2, 2015 3:42 PM

    Has it been proven that his ribs are hurt? Proven, not speculated on.

    I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s true, but “proving” it now that he’s playing again isn’t going to fly, unless we put you Pat fans in charge of the investigation.
    ____________________________

    The Pats just got punished pretty heavily for an offense that was speculated, but not proven. So what is the point? The NFL’s own team of lawyers, stated in open court, they have absolutely no proof the footballs were ever deflated.

  58. I find it hilarious that anyone from the Colts organization would even utter the word ‘integrity’ after Suck for Luck. They tanked an entire season in order to manipulate their way to getting the top draft pick. By doing that they affected the standings throughout the league, and changed the fortunes for a decade of not only their team but team X that didn’t get Luck . I can’t imagine any other infraction that more directly undercut the integrity of the game.

    I don’t usually believe in karma, but it is hard not to see the disarray in Indy and think that maybe it is might just be real.

  59. News outlets everywhere:

    “Cheating scandal? Sweet, run that the Pats have cheated agai-… wait, what? Not the Patriots? Eh, whatevs, don’t worry abou-… It’s the Colts you say? Hmmmm… We could try and spin the karma angle, but really, no one cares about a 6-10 team.

    You know what? Throw out a standard article about the NFL ‘looking into it’ and call it a day, I guess…”

    “Sigh… Dang, any way we could sling this back on the Patriots somehow? What a license to print money off the idiots that believe that stuff, lol! Ah well, next time, hopefully.”

  60. As an outsider to this squabble between Colts/Pats fans, I do find it interesting that Pats fans want the Colts penalized for inaccurate injury reports, have they forgotten who is the king of inaccurate injury reporting? Be careful what you ask for indeed!

  61. getadealdoneakready: I hardly think you are an outsider with your bs. You are obviously a hater – Baltimore fan perhaps?

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