Dwayne Bowe’s play raises questions in Cleveland

AP

Browns receiver Dwayne Bowe finally got some playing time on Thursday night, and he was just OK, certainly not doing enough to justify the big contract the Browns gave him this offseason.

But Bowe did outplay the Browns’ other receivers, which raises questions about why he’s been buried on the depth chart all season, until injuries finally forced him into the lineup last night.

Bowe was the Browns’ leading wide receiver in the loss to the Bengals, catching three of the five passes thrown to him and gaining 31 receiving yards. Bowe was far better than wide receiver Taylor Gabriel, who has been ahead of Bowe on the depth chart all season: Gabriel got six passes thrown to him and had some brutal drops while catching just one pass for three yards.

So now that Bowe has finally gotten some playing time, and shown that he’s a better option than Gabriel, it raises an uncomfortable question in Cleveland: What the heck was Mike Pettine doing playing Gabriel ahead of Bowe all season?

The apparent answer is that Gabriel is 24 years old and Bowe is 31, and Pettine would rather give playing time to younger players to develop for the future. That’s all well and good, but if the Browns care more about developing for the future than winning now, why did they give Bowe $9 million guaranteed this offseason?

The uncomfortable answer to that question is that Pettine and Browns General Manager Ray Farmer clearly aren’t on the same page. Farmer wanted Bowe whether he fit in Pettine’s plans or not. Pettine wouldn’t play Bowe whether Farmer gave him a lot of money or not. That’s a serious problem. The coach and the G.M. don’t always have to agree about everything, but if they’re so far apart that the coach won’t play the G.M.’s big free agent signing, then the situation is untenable.

If Farmer and Pettine can’t work together, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam needs to fire one of them. Or both of them.

93 responses to “Dwayne Bowe’s play raises questions in Cleveland

  1. At this point, wouldn’t Browns fans rather be scheduled for 17 BYE weeks every season? Let them have pre-season and in season practices and reschedule them for regular season action when they actually have a chance to compete.

  2. I wouldn’t judge a receiver based on Manziels ability to find them and complete passes…

    BRUTAL is a perfect way to describe the drops… ugly.

  3. Is Pettine the problem? Or Farmer? Haslam?

    I think you have a dysfunctional management group all-around.

  4. Blow it up and fire everyone and make the owner sell the team. Its time for the Browns to relocate again, I hear St Louis will be in the market for a new team soon.

  5. The guy has shown lazy work ethic in the past. Pettine seems like the guy to not reward that type of action, and you gain your players’ respect by playing the guys who have shown to deserve it.

    A team like Cleveland needs to overpay in the free agency until they start winning consistently. The only guy to blame here is Bowe.

  6. Their both probably morons but Pettine takes the cake. No one can justify his poor decision making over his tenure at Cleveland. He’s playing youth over age in the receiver position but doing the opposite in the quarterback position? So maybe not youth but rather benching any of the GM’s big name guys. Let’s face it, there is no reason for Bowe not to be suited up for every game and no reason for Josh to be starting over Johnny. I think Thursday’s game proved the coaching staff is completely lost.

  7. We are talking about the Browns. None of this should be a surprise or uncomfortable – just another day in the Browns organization.

  8. Plain and simple the Browns don’t know how to evaluate talent. Just look at there last few years of draft picks and free agency signings they r horrible.

  9. clowns management is a complete joke..they have no sense of “football” operations.. drafts are always a circus, horrible FA signings.. needs to be blown up and built up all over again

  10. So they’re playing the 24 year-old receiver who is terrible in order to give him playing time, but they’ve decided to play the 36 year-old QB because he gives them a better chance to win now?

    Couple with the halftime comments last night by Pettine about trying to get Manziel to play in the pocket despite the fact that that is exactly what the Bengals wanted, and all of Manziel’s 1st half success came out of the pocket suggests that this franchise has no idea what they are doing.

    Not a surprise though.

  11. Gabriel is 24 years old and Bowe is 31, and Pettine would rather give playing time to younger players to develop for the future.

    So to be clear, Pettine is all about developing undrafted Gabriel over an expensive offseason acquisition BUT would prefer to have former 1st round pick Manziel, a player at the most important position on the team, sit in favor of 36 year old Josh McCown.

    Makes sense.

  12. On the radio they said Bowe has been overweight and out of shape, that’s why he wasn’t playing right away

  13. “Pettine would rather give playing time to younger players to develop for the future”

    That’s why McCown is starting and not Manziel

  14. Brown, brown, the color of poo,
    ask what Brown can do for you,
    play Manziel til the end of the wire,
    then extinguish the dumpster fire,
    Fire the GM! Axe the coach!
    Competency should be the new approach,
    Good football people, if given time,
    should reduce the need for this cornball rhyme.

  15. “…certainly not doing enough to justify the big contract the Browns gave him this offseason.”

    Which is why the Chiefs didn’t pay him.

    “But Bowe did outplay the Browns’ other receivers,…”

    Only because that is not a very hard to do. No player worth being in the NFL should use the Browns receivers as a gauge.

  16. clowns management is a complete joke..they have no sense of “football” operations.. drafts are always a circus, horrible FA signings.. needs to be blown up and built up all over again

    —————

    For something to be built up again, it actually has to be established first…. Browns have never even had that.

  17. If Pettine was interested in developing talent, Nate Orchard would be playing significantly more than Randy “Drive Extender” Starks, Manziel would be playing, Cam Irving would be playing, Justin Gilbert (as bad as he’s been) would be playing, Ibraheim Campbell would be playing.

  18. The 3 catch guy vs the 1 catch guy? That’s what you’re basing your thesis on? OK then.

  19. Jimmy Haslem needs to sell the team.

    Just like his own company (Pilot Flying J) he is clueless as to what the people under him are doing (which was ripping off their customers). And just like the Pilot flying J customers, I feel I’m being ripped off when I turn on or show up at a Browns game.

    Cleveland deserves better. A local owner who has skin in the game would be a good start.

  20. He’s not the answer, but Pettine has HC potential…I think the inability to make a sound call on the QB is what really hurts him…won’t play bowe because you want to give younger players time to develop? Then why would you start your 52 year old QB over Manziel?

    Farmer is an idiot, has drafted horribly. Composed a team with no good RB’s, no WR’s, or no TE’s.

    Pettine has coached well enough, but still makes some head scratching decisions.

    In typical cleveland fasion, they’ll fire everyone, hire a couple new guys that will come in w/a Rah-Rah attitude, only to realize 1 month into the gig that they can’t fix it.

  21. Oh that’s just ONE question about Pettine.

    Others:

    Why does Duke Johnson not on the field in the second half?

    Who kept Robert Turbin in the game last week?

    Why does he keep playing the same defense that’s getting burned on the ground and through the air week in and week out?

    He clearly is coaching the team he WISHES he had instead of the one that’s on the field.

  22. Bowe’s play in Kansas City raised some questions too, such as “Why is that guy our #1 WR, he’d barely be the #2 WR on most teams?” and “Why can’t he catch a ball thrown right to him?”

  23. I don’t think Dwayne Bowe’s playing time is a major factor in whether the coach and/or GM should be fired. Aren’t there other issues way more important than what Dwayne Bowe is foing?

    please….

  24. The only way they were going to make it a game last night was if Johnathan Football got outside the pocket and extended plays. At half Mr. Pettine said “Johnny did good but he needs to stay in the pocket.” You were not beating the Bengals if you did that.

  25. “Bowe was the Browns’ leading wide receiver in the loss to the Bengals, catching three of the five passes thrown to him and gaining 31 receiving yards.”

    3 of 5. 31 yards.

    Leading WR.

    Browns fans, I feel for you. I just do. You deserve better.

  26. The GM is fired for giving Bowe $9 mill, and not an incentive The coach is fired due to lack of progression and a plan in place to improve. This Bowe issue is the nail in the coffin. It will be easier to get a good GM when he can hire his own coach and staff. House cleaning upcoming.

  27. Why can’t this team ever get better and get it right. Teams go through ups and downs but this team just stays down all the time.

    Constant poor leadership and players, and with a loyal fan base. Browns, your fans deserve better.

  28. Pettine and Jim O’Neill are high school coaches period. No adjustments, whatsoever. Who is going to hire these guys as assistants?

  29. If Pettine was interested in developing talent, Nate Orchard would be playing significantly more than Randy “Drive Extender” Starks, Manziel would be playing, Cam Irving would be playing, Justin Gilbert (as bad as he’s been) would be playing, Ibraheim Campbell would be playing.

    Did you even watch the game last night? Orchard, Erving, Campbell and Manziel all were on the field a good portion of the game. Gilbert even played the 2nd half at corner.

    Still, Pettine sucks.

  30. The apparent answer is that Gabriel is 24 years old and Bowe is 31, and Pettine would rather give playing time to younger players to develop for the future. That’s all well and good, but if the Browns care more about developing for the future than winning now, why did they give Bowe $9 million guaranteed this offseason?

    Pettine cant play Gabriel under the guise of developing for the future while sitting Manzeil. It’s that simple.

  31. “The apparent answer is that Gabriel is 24 years old and Bowe is 31, and Pettine would rather give playing time to younger players to develop for the future.”

    And you know this how?

  32. Cfsilence: no, I didn’t watch; this team is no longer worth my time. I did listen for portions tho.

    And yes, I know they played last night. If Pettine wanted to “develop” younger guys, they would have been on the field long prior to last night.

  33. I pitied Pettine when he took that job given what a disaster management in Cleveland was. But it’s increasingly becoming clear that Pettine is yet another part of the problem.

  34. Good question… And Johnny Manziel will make WRs stats look terrible. They are better off with McCown, no doubt..

  35. The only question is why would the Browns front office give Bowe a big contract when he sucked in Kansas City???? If I’m the coach I bench him too…the front office let the secondary leave via free agency and used the money on Bowe who was washed up 3 yrs ago…..someone in the front office needs to lose their job this yr…..but of course they won’t and just fire the HC again…..

  36. If Player A’s “3 catches for 31 yards” day is reason to fire any coach, well…there are about 32 coaches that are on the hot seat.

    Not playing one non-productive player over another marginally less productive player (one game!) is hardly reason to fire a coach. Gabriel was the Brown’s best receiver in 2014, it should be noted.

    Farmer’s drafting has been incompetent for two years, but I believe in giving any GM three years to build his team and I believe in giving any coach three years to build his program.

    This is year two. Fire them both after next year if necessary. But that’s a decision based upon three years of program implementation and drafting: not one or two players for one game.

  37. Do Browns fans remember their last head coaching search? The embarassment that occurred after Chud was fired? You remember? Here is a list of guys who turned down the opportunity to coach your team:

    Josh McDaniels,
    Todd Bowles,
    Adam Gase,
    Dan Quinn,

    Others who reportedly interviewed …

    Greg Schiano (!!),
    Dirk Koetter,

    You understand the Browns hired Pettine because no one else wanted to coach that team after what they did to Chud!!!

    Sure fire Pettine, but what difference does it make?

    Haslem is your problem. You can’t fire coaches and GMs every 2 years or you’ll never get anyone good to coach for you.

  38. Do Browns fans remember their last head coaching search? The embarassment that occurred after Chud was fired? You remember? Here is a list of guys who turned down the opportunity to coach your team:

    Josh McDaniels,
    Todd Bowles,
    Adam Gase,
    Dan Quinn,

    Others who reportedly interviewed …

    Greg Schiano (!!),
    Dirk Koetter,

    You understand the Browns hired Pettine because no one else wanted to coach that team after what they did to Chud!!!

    Sure fire Pettine, but what difference does it make?

    Haslem is your problem. You can’t fire coaches and GMs every 2 years or you’ll never get anyone good to coach for you.

  39. Here’s an idea – hire the GM first before the coach, not the other way around. Haslam, what has changed since Lerner? The team is as bad now as then. All these egos and nothing comes of it. Over the last 20 years a guy off the street could be GM or coach and get the same results. Oh wait a minute, didn’t a guy on the streets help pick Johnny anyway? Cleveland fans deserve better. It’s amazing what a non-competitive joke we have become. Hard to watch and we are about to start all over again. Maybe by 2025 we can win 10 games and nearly make the playoffs. Since the re-birth that qualifies as a “good year”.

  40. Farmer came from Kansas City, where Bowe played his entire career. So it’s safe to assume the signing was the GM’s idea, not the coach.

    Farmer is an idiot, awash in horrible draft picks and free agent signings. He and Pettine took over last year and took a 7-4 team fresh off a win over the Bengals and turned it into the mess you saw last night. Letting Hoyer go and not drafting a WR were huge blunders, and for a Defensive Coach that defense stinks. Fire them both, stability is needed but not a stable diet of losses and downward spiral.

  41. The simple answer to your question is likely Bowe is outplayed in practice. Maybe he hasn’t grasped the offense well or is phoning it in during practices. The bottom line is if a coach plays a guy that doesn’t try over a guy busting his butt especially when their practice production is similar, some players will resent that. That cancer spreads quick. Maybe the other guy has better chemistry with McCown and Bowe got in this week because receivers and McCown were injured. Your speculation on this seems unfounded based on 1 game.

  42. Ok Browns, This isn’t working. It is time for a Fire Sale, tear down the building and start from the foundation up.
    You need a strong Head Coach and a GM that are on the same page. The Owner needs to keep hands off of daily operations.
    I think every fan of other team has taken a cheap shot or two at the Browns, but This Vikings fan feels for you. Browns fans are among the most faithful in Football History, you have gone through too many losing seasons and have been abandoned by the Team you supported for Decades, and you deserve more. Any Coach that doesn’t put the best players on the field unless they are under disciplinary action needs yo be run out of town! Quit Drafting High pick QB’s that fail, you don’t know how to choose a franchise QB! I’ve been there!
    Draft supporting talent, Trade down for extra picks
    and quit giving yours away to move 2 spots!!
    No team has better fans than the Browns..
    Hat’s Off to you.

  43. As a Browns fan, I just wish that Art Modell was still alive so he could move this team too. Starting completely over would be preferable to this train wreck each and every year.

  44. You play McCown at the beginning of the season to win games. Dude was 2nd in passing through 5-6 games only behind Tom Brady. Everybody complains and wants Johnny.

    McCown gets hurt, season is over. They start Johnny. Everybody Complains why hasn’t he started earlier?

    At half time the head coach says, “Needs to stay in the pocket at make his reads” Trying protecting his QB from running around getting popped and ending up on IR. (I.E. RGIII) Everybody complains. Season is over folks. Manziel staying upright and learning is the only positive going forward.

    Benches Bowe because he is a lazy paycheck grabber that can’t beat out undrafted free agents. Gabriel drops a few passes, Bowe catches 3. Everybody Complains.

    I hate our fan base and media.

  45. Ray Farmer should have been fired the day after the 2015 draft. His four (4) 1st round draft picks in 14 and 15 were idiotic beyond words. Shelton, #12 overall in 2015, was not worthy of a #12 pick–he is no star in the making, too slow. Just watch a quick NT like Aaron Donald and compare.

    Pettine is an idiot also. He has playmakers like Duke Johnson and Travis Benjamin but instead threw to Taylor Gabriel all night who showcased how to drop passes by using your knee caps, your facemask, your shoulder pads and how to have a football go right through your hands. The smurf is only 5’6 ” (probably 5’5″) to boot.

    Incredible stupidity reigns at the coaching level and Ray Farmer is the worst GM to every carry that title in the history of the NFL. Fire Farmer, Pettine and get some NFL quality level men in those positions.

  46. Bowe was an extremely poor pick up by Farmer. He’s slow and has dropped passes in other games he’s been in. Two of the Browns starting WRs were out last night. Hawkins and Hartline. This raises a question only because you want it to.

  47. Both of them are absolute morons. Let me repeat quotes from both of them from this past week and last night

    Ray what do you need to turn this thing around? We need to keep doing what we are doing. Lmao. So u need keep doing the things that has you 2-7 lol. What a genius.

    Coach Pettine what did you think of Johnny’s performance in the 1st half? He needs to stay in the pocket but the production is there. We need to settle Johnny down and keep him in the pocket more. Lmao. Seriously this guy is an idiot

    After the game, pettine says ill take taylor gabriel on my team any day. Yo moron you are 2-7 and he had a pass go off his knee and his helmet that any decent WR catches 100% of the time.

    And these 2 idiots are the GM and Head Coach. Unreal.

  48. in all honesty, the Browns did have some flashes yesterday, but they have to get players that can actually catch the ball other than barnidge and duke Johnson, everyone else is pathetic

    defensively, even though Joe Haden was out and they got a couple of sacks, they looked sound early on but then the floodgates opened — credit Hue Jackson for taking advantage, but can’t put all the blame on Cleveland’s offense

  49. Do the Brown’s look like a team that is well coached? Has the coach brought everything together so it looks like a complete unit, an efficient machine?

    Does Mike Pettine look like an effective Head NFL Coach? Does he act like one? Does he sound like one? Does he do a good job managing his coordinators? Does he manage his players well? Does he develop young talent? If not, how many years should he get to learn how or develop these coaching traits?

    Does Ray Farmer draft second round talent in the first round? 3rd&4th round talent in the second? 4th and 5th round talent in the third?

    How many years are Browns fans supposed to wait to see if these two become the next Ron Wolf and Bill Walsh?

    Talented people are talented. They are who they are. Assistant coaches and 3rd tier personnel guys are assistant coaches and 3rd tier personnel guys. That’s just the way it is.

  50. Simms/Nantz mentioned that he has been nursing a hamstring. Maybe that’s why he hasn’t been playing?

    no. LeSean McCoy and Beckham, jr dont play due to hamstring injuries…Bowe doesnt play because he sucks

  51. Fire them both today. Name DeFillippo Interim HC. Let him continue to call the offensive plays. Him and Special Teams Coach are the only 2 coaches worth something on the entire staff.

    Hire Brian Kelly from Notre Dame. There needs to be some major discipline on this team and Pettine is npt qualified to do the job. This idiot also said hes been trying for 2 yrs to fix the defense. If this moron has been trying for 2 yrs he has made it worse, so he needs to go.

    Hire GM and scouts that have a clue what they are doing. Hell i can draft better than these fools they have hired

  52. There’s only one way to fix this, and that’s flip the script on the NFL. Have the moving trucks come in at night, and move the TOWN to San Diego and leave the team in Cleveland.

  53. Does Mike Pettine look like an effective Head NFL Coach? Does he act like one? Does he sound like one? Does he do a good job managing his coordinators? Does he manage his players well? Does he develop young talent? If not, how many years should he get to learn how or develop these coaching traits?

    ———————————————————–

    How long did Cincinnati wait for Marvin Lewis to learn?

  54. jagsfan1 says:
    Nov 6, 2015 9:27 AM

    I don’t think Dwayne Bowe’s playing time is a major factor in whether the coach and/or GM should be fired. Aren’t there other issues way more important than what Dwayne Bowe is foing?
    ———————————–

    Signing him for $9 million is enough to get the GM fired.

    Not playing him is enough to get the coach fired.

    Same deal with Manziel.

  55. Here is a thought, line up a bunch of bulldozers and just crush the stadium to the ground because its not worth watching at all anymore!!!

  56. As a Chiefs fan I can tell you, if a receiver is on the market because the Chiefs released him or let him go in FA, he’s only worth signing if he’ll work for food and if you can spare the food.

  57. Ownership and management have absolutely no reason to think they are doing a bad job. Browns fans sellout every game, which is evidence that the product is not even good, but great… to Browns fans. Until moronic Browns fans stop going to games, Haslam and Farmer can do whatever they want. Betcha the next home game sells out.

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