Lions players know firings could be the start of “big” changes

AP

Lions players might have been surprised by the news that team president Tom Lewand and General Manager Martin Mayhew were fired yesterday. But the ones who have been around the league know that now no one is safe in Detroit.

Via Carlos Monarrez of the Detroit Free Press, some players found out when asked by reporters, and kicker Matt Prater heard from his mother-in-law. But the signal being sent from above was clear.

It could be big,” veteran safety Glover Quin said. “Obviously, you have some players who probably don’t want to come back. They probably say, ‘I don’t want to be part of a rebuilding. I want to go somewhere else.’ You may have some players who are like, ‘Hey, man, I’ve got a new start, a new G.M., new this, new that, and so I’m playing for my job.’ Everybody plays for different reasons.

“Hopefully every goes out there and obviously we’re still trying to win football games. We’re trying to win and hopefully we can salvage something about our season. But yeah, obviously when new people come in, they obviously feel like the people who were here weren’t getting the job done, so they try to bring in their own guys. Everybody, at least for me, I feel like everybody’s on the chopping block. Everybody’s job is on the line.”

That’s the way they should feel. Lewand and Mayhew had plenty of time to yield results, but players come and go more quickly, and many of the same players who are 1-7 now were on the 11-5 team that went to the playoffs a year ago. So while it might not be their fault, that might not matter.

Head coach Jim Caldwell was given a chance to hang around for the next eight games, but there’s always the chance a new G.M. wants to find his own guy.

And if that happens, few players should consider themselves safe.

65 responses to “Lions players know firings could be the start of “big” changes

  1. Good, I’m glad they know what’s at stake too. I also hope that Caldwell pretty much knows he’s a dead man walking. Which means you should PLAY guys like Ammer Abdullah even if he’s a fumble machine. Let him figure it out how to have better ball security on the field. Same goes for any younger DB, etc. Give these guys and extended try out.

    I also hope that they take a good hard look at moving some guys. The next GM should be drafting some REAL competition for Stafford in no later then the 3rd rd. I’m not saying you go all in on Conor Cook or Golf just because you potentially have the 1st overall pick (they need a damn LT more) but make sure you get someone that is a real threat to Stafford’s job and could be the next QB.

    I’d also say it’s time to take a good hard look at trading Calvin Johnson. He’s an amazing athlete, a hard worker, a team player, etc. but he’s also not going to get a ring with the Lions and he has to know that now too. Renegotiate his contract to be more trade friendly if you can and ship him off to the Panthers or someone else that can possibly give him a ring before he retires.

    The window for Stafford and Calvin Johnson to take Detroit to the SB has closed. Be smart and move on. I would rather they fire everyone down to the janitor and start over fresh then try to hang on to the past.

  2. Quin and Prater are not part of the problem and are probably safe. here’s a few players that wont be back next year: Ngata, Ihedigbo, Tulloch, Mathis, Andre Fluellen(talk about settling for mediocrity)both offensive tackles, both backup Qbs, anyone else over 30….

  3. I think the Lions should hire a consortium of media analysts for gm/coach positions. Rappaport, Michael David Smith, Elliot Harrison, etc.
    They are better at:
    1. Analyzing talent for the draft
    2. Selecting which players should play.
    3. Devising schemes for offenses and defenses

  4. A record sized toilet flush will be heard in Allen Park, Michigan on Black Monday. Execs, scouts, coaches, janitors, secretaries and equipment guys will be gone. Or should be if they want to rid the stench of 58 years.

    Hard to believe it took a 90 year old woman to do what her husband couldn’t. You go girl.

  5. NOBODY will give the Lions the value they might expect or want for Stafford or Megatron. The Bears couldn’t get a taker at any price for Cutler (who is essentially an older and slightly better Stafford), and smart money says Forte (the Bears’ equivalent of Megatron in terms of value to their offense) would at best pull a 5th rounder. The guy they’d have the best chance of getting some value for is Levy but he’s injured so there goes that option.

    The fire sale approach for the Lions isn’t going to work unless they are willing to gut their roster for literally pennies on the dollar. They’re not like the Bears who are a couple of years away talent wise. They have the personnel now to compete and it’s time to bring some coaches in there who can get everything out of them.

  6. Yeah, fire the President and GM might be setting the table for BIG changes like, gasp, getting rid of PLAYERS….

  7. Pointy Williams says:

    It’s a start, but why are we to believe that they will get it right??
    ________________

    For the first time in 50+ years there will be someone besides William Clay Ford Sr doing the hiring, that seems like enough reason to have hope all by itself. Bill Ford has shown he is not averse to making tough decisions and isn’t hampered by an aversion to cutting his losses out of loyalty. His choice of Alan Mulally to resurrect Ford was excellent.

  8. Hey put yourself in the position of a player. Hey hopefully i get traded to a team with promiss, or i end up stuck here in some five year rebuilding mess, or i dont give a crap, keep the checks comin regardless i dont see any of these guys anxious to play and get hurt for this org

  9. Changing a culture involves changing everything. I don’t think you need to rebrand the team by changing colors or anything like that…. that’s superficial. It’s doesn’t change a culture, it makes it look like something different. The people are what need to change. We keep the 20% of the roster we are financially stuck with, the 20% that we’ve recently drafted, and then punt the remaining 60%.

    Either way, I’m checking out as a Lions for a couple years. I can’t sit through another rebuild. I’m going to find a bandwagon to jump on for the 2015 and 2016 seasons, then I’ll worry about the Lions again (outside of draft day) in 2017.

  10. Detroit, I appreciate your loyalty to your team. It’s admirable. And you have a bold, gutsy lady as an owner, something many fans of other teams will envy.

    But in the end, you have a team that perfectly fits the character of the city where it makes its home. A city in decline, with a dwindling base. Where memories of the “good times” are so old, some have come to doubt their veracity. Where hope comes in fits and spurts, yet is ever fleeting.

    Where once in a generation players like Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson go to see their dreams fall short.

    Lions, you and your city have my sympathies.

  11. The problem with developing a QB over multiple coaching regimes (Marinelli, Schwartz, Caldwell) is that everyone’s different. Brady has had the luxury of having one pro coach. Rodgers too. Staff might not be to blame for multiple coaching staffs not developing him correctly. Now, we’ll be looking at his 4th staff. I’m not sure that can help.

  12. “The next GM should be drafting some REAL competition for Stafford in no later then the 3rd rd. ”

    They have way too many holes elsewhere to take a flyer on a QB that early who would almost certainly not help them on the field for at minimum a couple of years. (Assuming they actually found the needle in the haystack and the guy they drafted could play in the NFL, which is a pretty big if.) Stafford catches lots of flac for reasons not entirely clear. It seems a lot of people still think he’s the same guy from a few years ago constantly throwing off his back foot but that isn’t the case.

  13. Here’s what I don’t get: Why do this now? Obviously, they need to get rid of everyone, but since they aren’t going to hire a new president during the season, they aren’t going to hire a new GM during the season, why do this now and make Caldwell a Dead Man Walking?

    Now Caldwell and everyone on the team is going to get desperate and win 4-5 games, and get the 6th pick.

    And then, of course, he’ll be fired. Or the new GM will have to keep him on for a year, and then fire him.

  14. Bill Cowher for GM. He’d bring in the right people, and not put up with any B.S….a true “put up or shut up” GM is what we need.

    Puhlease somebody…make the call to this guy.

  15. I just hope to god that whoever we choose to be GM, that person is hell bent on building up the trenches. It would be awesome to watch Lions games where the offensive line doesn’t get fire hosed every play. We’re going on 15 years of this garbage…taking tight ends at 10 when we should be building the OL and DL. Please hire someone smart enough to know what the team needs, and don’t take another soft prima donna at 10. PLEASE.

  16. daytontriangles says:
    Nov 6, 2015 10:09 AM

    Detroit, I appreciate your loyalty to your team. It’s admirable. And you have a bold, gutsy lady as an owner, something many fans of other teams will envy.

    But in the end, you have a team that perfectly fits the character of the city where it makes its home. A city in decline, with a dwindling base. Where memories of the “good times” are so old, some have come to doubt their veracity. Where hope comes in fits and spurts, yet is ever fleeting.

    Where once in a generation players like Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson go to see their dreams fall short.

    Lions, you and your city have my sympathies.

    ————————————————————

    Not sure if a troll, or a moron… Detroit is actually on an upswing at the moment, not a decline. There are several other cities with a far worse looking current outlook.

  17. highfaluentinflatuency says:
    Nov 6, 2015 10:19 AM

    Here’s what I don’t get: Why do this now? Obviously, they need to get rid of everyone, but since they aren’t going to hire a new president during the season, they aren’t going to hire a new GM during the season, why do this now and make Caldwell a Dead Man Walking?

    Now Caldwell and everyone on the team is going to get desperate and win 4-5 games, and get the 6th pick.

    And then, of course, he’ll be fired. Or the new GM will have to keep him on for a year, and then fire him.

    —————-

    They have to clear up the spots so they can truly be in the race for top talent. If you wait until the end of the season it would be too late. Hire slow and fire fast.

  18. Lynch or Cook will get me too buy tickets next season.

    I’m sick of waiting on Stafford’s potential, it’s been the same thing since college. Big arm but too inconsistent and scared in the pocket.

    At least with a new QB wI’ll start with a career 0-0 record which already would beat Stafford.

    Think of it like the Carson Palmer Bengals of a few years ago.

  19. Stafford will be the starting QB in 2016. You just don’t dump the franchise leader of just about every QB record after one bad year, especially since most can be put on the o-line and the fired OC. Does stafford have to play better, absolutely. But thinking you can just draft a guy in the first round and move Stafford is stupid. You have about an equal if not better chance of Stafford putting up great numbers as you do a 1st rd QB being a bust. And Stafford is no bust, he is an above average QB and there is a shortage of those in the NFL.

  20. I just hope to god that whoever we choose to be GM, that person is hell bent on building up the trenches.
    ———————
    What’s weird to me is that the Lions are having so much trouble with their OL despite having it staffed with 2 first-rounders and 2 third-rounders. They’re not just putting guys off the street out there. They have clearly invested in the line but it’s not coming together. Is that a personnel evaluation issue or a coaching issue?

  21. @angrylionsfan: I would rather they fire everyone down to the janitor and start over fresh then try to hang on to the past.
    ==================================
    Man, leave the janitor out of this…… 🙂

  22. …..Can they change the logo back to the original LION log from about 10-15 years ago……the current one looks like the Lion is licking his OWN paw….it drives me nuts. Also, for some reason, the jerseys have dark blue sections on them and regular blue sections on them…it looks like SWEAT stains but it is’nt…it just some funky new jersey design. This team needs to a fresh start from TOP to BOTTOM.

  23. bassplucker says:
    Nov 6, 2015 10:53 AM
    I just hope to god that whoever we choose to be GM, that person is hell bent on building up the trenches.
    ———————
    What’s weird to me is that the Lions are having so much trouble with their OL despite having it staffed with 2 first-rounders and 2 third-rounders. They’re not just putting guys off the street out there. They have clearly invested in the line but it’s not coming together. Is that a personnel evaluation issue or a coaching issue?

    ___

    It is a evaluation issues. LT Reiff is not a very good LT but would be a better guard or RT. RG Warford is good but has been hurt. LG Tomlinson was reach and may not pan out, but most likely just needs more time to adjust to the NFL. C Swanson seems to be lacking strength and has been ineffective. But the RT position has been a turnstill and when they try to cover that up it hurts the other side or middle of the line.

    For 2016 the line could be vastly improved if they moved Reiff to RT and drafted a solid LT and C.

  24. @Bassplucker They are still learning to play together. The problem was the previous OC seemed to expect them to be the Saints Oline of a few years ago, and couldn’t understand that young players couldn’t do what the his playbook said they should do.

    That and injuries.

    I expect them to improve a lot with the new OC hopefully adapting the scheme to the players, and them getting game reps together.

  25. Hire slow and fire fast.

    Totally agree with hire slow, fire fast. But it should be in that order too.

  26. “Obviously, you have some players who probably don’t want to come back. They probably say, ‘I don’t want to be part of a rebuilding. I want to go somewhere else” umm theyve been rebuilding since forever………………….also bring matt millen back. he was awesome

  27. Yes Stafford has looked horrible this year. However, that is a direct result of having a screen door in a sub for an O-Line. You could put Brady, Rodgers or any other QB back there and it wouldn’t matter. The only QB, that I could see back there that might have some success would have been Steve Young or maybe Randall Cunningham. The new GM needs to focus on the lines. Anyone can see that without O and D lines that are solid things will always be tough.

  28. The great mystery is not that Caldwell still is the HC, it’s that the Lions made him HC in the 1st place.

  29. daytontriangles says:Nov 6, 2015 10:09 AM

    Detroit, I appreciate your loyalty to your team. It’s admirable. And you have a bold, gutsy lady as an owner, something many fans of other teams will envy.
    But in the end, you have a team that perfectly fits the character of the city where it makes its home. A city in decline, with a dwindling base. Where memories of the “good times” are so old, some have come to doubt their veracity. Where hope comes in fits and spurts, yet is ever fleeting.
    Where once in a generation players like Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson go to see their dreams fall short.
    Lions, you and your city have my sympathies.

    _________________________________

    The Lions, and being a Lions fan, is perfectly symbolic of Detroit in a positive way IMO. Yes, everyone recognizes the fact that the city will NEVER be as prosperous as it once was. But the people of that city, that were born into crap and don’t know anything else, have an undeniable RESOLVE and a determination to make it better. Detroit is a hardnosed blue collar city that has been knocked down a thousand times and still continues to get back up. I’m not a native myself (but I did grow up in Michigan) and I truly admire the spirit of Detroit. If you’re from Detroit you fight for Detroit because it is YOUR CITY, and you are loyal and it’s all you have ever known.

    There’s A LOT of good change happening in Detroit right now too. Dan Gilbert and Mike Illitch (both natives) are making big investments in the city. I lived in Royal Oak for a summer 13 years ago and since my brother recently moved there I’ve spent significant time there again. It is definitely a different city.

    As for being a Lions fan, it’s really easy to be a Patriots fan, or a Packers fan, etc, but it takes serious dedication to be a Lions fan. You stick with it because you don’t quit what you start.

  30. Dayton triangles

    Detroit is ON the rise. Downtown is being rejuvenated with young business workers and this lions team does not have the mentality of the city they represent. And if your name has anything to do with where your from (ohio)be careful walking outside the Toledo zoo.

  31. I thought we have got ridden of the Matt Millen syndrome in Detroit. Apparently not. Constant losing kills expectations from fans and that always has been the case in Detroit most of the time. Caldwell is likely a goner at the end of the season if not sooner. Remember the 2-14 Colts anyone???

  32. The Lions are doing the same thing the Bears did last year. It remains to be seen if and when success will happen but you have to start somewhere. The Lions have been a mess for years and it’s hard to say why exactly. The culture must change. It all starts up front.

  33. Here’s what people who advocate playing second stringers or rookies to “see what they’ve got” are overlooking:

    No coach who thinks he might get fired will do anything other than try to improve his resume for the next job. Losing doesn’t build your resume. So you’re not going to play untested or raw players who might lose games you could otherwise win. Only if ownership has assured you that your job is not in jeopardy will you, as coach be willing to experiment and absorb losses – and even then, you are probably going to be a little skeptical of such an assurance.

  34. highfaluentinflatuency says:Nov 6, 2015 10:19 AM
    Here’s what I don’t get: Why do this now? Obviously, they need to get rid of everyone, but since they aren’t going to hire a new president during the season, they aren’t going to hire a new GM during the season, why do this now and make Caldwell a Dead Man Walking?

    Now Caldwell and everyone on the team is going to get desperate and win 4-5 games, and get the 6th pick.

    And then, of course, he’ll be fired. Or the new GM will have to keep him on for a year, and then fire him.

    This obviously Mayhew or Lewand in disguise. Why start the national search 2 monthes before the other teams who change managment? Why start talking to qualified people now to get an idea who would EVEN be interested in coming to Detroit? Why fire the two most useless tools in the NFL now? Really? Good Grief!!

  35. Pointy Williams says:
    Nov 6, 2015 8:59 AM
    It’s a start, but why are we to believe that they will get it right??

    As a long, looong, loooooong suffering Lions fan (first live game was ’65 against Chicago; they lost), I’ll answer that. For 57 years, the Lions were controlled by a guy who never wanted to get rid of the GM. They have won one playoff game since then and are dozens of games under .500, and yet in the last 50 years they’ve had exactly four GMs. The Detroit media is keying on the need to hire a top candidate to succeed Mayhew, but I think that’s irrelevant compared to what Mrs. Ford has just done. She fired a GM because the Lions stink, something her husband never did (I believe Bill canned Matt Millen, not because the Lions stunk–he had already had seven sub-.500 seasons in a row–but because they’d just been humiliated in San Francisco by Mike Martz, whom Millen and Marinelli had just fired and blamed for the team’s lack of success). I don’t know if the Lions will win in 2016 or 2017 but, for the first time in 57 years, they’re just like all the other NFL teams–they give you a few years to win and if you don’t, they hire someone else.

  36. The future Will only get brighter when Caldwell is gone when the season ends, and when the new GM finds a way to trade away Stafford for draft picks, Then come the draft we get that next true franchise QB that will lead us to victory next year whoever that will be I believe in a new leader. Our O-line has been bad for years but the inconsistency of our average QB must go in order for this rebuild to work we must take a QB round 1 if were in the top 3.

  37. Nov 6, 2015 1:14 PM
    The future Will only get brighter when Caldwell is gone when the season ends, and when the new GM finds a way to trade away Stafford for draft picks, Then come the draft we get that next true franchise QB that will lead us to victory next year

    ——————————————————————-
    Your not serious, no one is giving draft picks for Stafford. His bed is made. He has proven that after five seasons, you get what you get, and no one would want him.

  38. If the Lions can find a guy like Rick Spielman, good luck with that, someone who a) knows how to evaluate talent b) knows how to deal guys with value for picks to use to fill gaps c) knows that you pick guys with smarts, guys who can actually ‘be’ coached. (Vikes are again the least penalized team in football for third year in row. They know the rules and don’t do dumb things)
    This is all due to a GM who spent years building a team.

    Now the Vikes are ready to dominate the NFC North for quite a time, QB is only 22 and lots good.

    This is the direction the Lions must precede if they hope to turn it around ever.

  39. Stafford is SO bad he’s managed to thwart the genius of the coach who created Peyton Manning.

  40. Might as well burn down the Silverdome too. Rid the city of every remnant of the Lions’ losing culture and start again. We’re already 1-7. It’s not like we’re in the AFC South and have a shot at the division or playoffs.

  41. gerwinke1985 says:
    Nov 6, 2015 10:28 AM
    daytontriangles says:
    Nov 6, 2015 10:09 AM

    Detroit, I appreciate your loyalty to your team. It’s admirable. And you have a bold, gutsy lady as an owner, something many fans of other teams will envy.

    But in the end, you have a team that perfectly fits the character of the city where it makes its home. A city in decline, with a dwindling base. Where memories of the “good times” are so old, some have come to doubt their veracity. Where hope comes in fits and spurts, yet is ever fleeting.

    Where once in a generation players like Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson go to see their dreams fall short.

    Lions, you and your city have my sympathies.

    ————————————————————

    Not sure if a troll, or a moron… Detroit is actually on an upswing at the moment, not a decline. There are several other cities with a far worse looking current outlook.

    ——————————————–

    He’s actually below troll and moron…and I admire your restraint and charitable manner.

    gerwinke1985 clearly doesn’t live here, and has no idea what’s going on here. In just a couple of years, we will easily have one of the most amazing sports / entertainment districts in THE NATION. Mike Ilitch is building it to be the focal point of his Red Wings team. Furthermore, Dan Gilbert (Cavaliers’ owner and Detroit native) is also investing huge amounts of money in developing parts of the city. It won’t be long before the rest of you see cover stories on some of your popular national magazines calling Detroit “America’s Comeback City.” But it’s more than just the buildings…it’s the PEOPLE. We work hard up here. We are fiercely loyal to our sports teams. When we hosted the Super Bowl, members of the media said that Detroit was one of the best host cities they’d ever been to.

    We live in a country where anybody can say anything they want, even if it makes them look really stupid…and it’s really easy to do that anonymously, such as in this forum. Doesn’t take a lot of effort to lob insults when nobody knows where they’re coming from.

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