Jeff Fisher responds to Mike Zimmer’s criticism

AP

After Sunday’s game between the Rams and Vikings, Minnesota coach Mike Zimmer made clear his disagreement with the hits on quarterback Teddy Bridgewater. With a calm, matter-of-face tone of voice, Zimmer made it clear that he wasn’t happy.

“If we were on the street, we probably would have had a fight,” Zimmer said, while also pointing to the history of Rams defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, who was suspended for a year due to his role in the Saints bounty scandal — a program premised on knocking opposing players out of the game.

On Sunday, it wasn’t just the elbow from cornerback Lamarcus Joyner to Bridgewater’s head, which caused Bridgewater’s head to bang off the turf, knocking him unconscious for several seconds. Previously, a low (but unflagged) hit caused Bridgewater to grab at his knee, but ultimately not to miss any time.

On Monday, Fisher responded to the criticism from Zimmer, starting with some free advice from the coach who has 329 regular-season games under his belt to the coach who has 24.

“I think a good a lesson to be learned from this is control your emotions immediately after the game and go back and look at the tape before you jump to conclusions,” Fisher told reporters on Monday.

“Mike’s and my handshake was very short,” Fisher added. “He didn’t say a word. I went out to congratulate him. I was going to ask him how his quarterback was and congratulate him on the win, and he was gone. I understand that, but you also need to control your emotions after a game and go look at the tape and then adjust accordingly. Again, I don’t know who they play this week. I don’t care, but we’ve moved on. We’re on to Chicago.”

Fisher’s position continues to be that Joyner didn’t deliberately target Bridgewater for injury.

“Lamarcus made a decision to go hit the quarterback prior to Teddy initiating the slide,” Fisher said. “That’s what happens. Had Lamarcus not made helmet contact with him, there would have not been a foul. It was penalized on the field. What more can you ask for?”

The tape still shows the elbow hitting the head. Intentional or not, Joyner was unable to avoid Bridgewater’s helmet; the NFL demands that professional athletes have greater control of their bodies in those circumstances. While it’s not the kind of thing that triggers a suspension for a first offense, it’s the kind of thing that surely will draw a fine.

Otherwise, the league’s six-year campaign to promote player health and safety (especially as it relates to concussions) will have been meaningless.

173 responses to “Jeff Fisher responds to Mike Zimmer’s criticism

  1. Eh, sorry Jeffery, dirty hit and I went back to the tape several times and there’s no if and or but’s about it.

  2. It was penalized on the field. What more can you ask for?
    I guess that makes everything ok then. Thanks Jeffy.

  3. Not many coaches respect Fisher and there are reasons why. You have a classy coach like Bruce Arians call out Fisher last year in a press conference calling him a perennial 8-8 coach, and now a coach with a lot of respect like Zimmer calls him out. I have a feeling Fisher does not have many friends in the NFL.

  4. “If we were on the street, we probably would have had a fight,” Zimmer said.

    Translation of Fisher’s post-game comments “Once I heard Zim say that, I waited for him after his press conference, and told him ‘I’m your Huckleberry, let’s do this’ “…..

  5. Maybe I’m a minority here, but it doesn’t look like Joyner meant any harm. It looks as if he was going to try to tackle Bridgewater before he started sliding, and just the angles they were coming from caused an unfortunate ending.

  6. “Otherwise, the league’s six-year campaign to promote player health and safety (especially as it relates to concussions) will have been meaningless.”

    I has been meaningless. There are still dirty players. There are still concussions. I guess, more money has been raised (through fines), but other than that, it’s been meaningless.

  7. Mike Zimmer is all for Adrian Peterson getting second chances but not for Gregg Williams? Hypocrisy.

  8. Take a look at the tape yourself, Fischer. I think Joyner was doing what he was told to do, “…take out the player, if you have the opportunity…” 3 QB ‘takeouts’ in 8 games speaks volumes to what the Rams are trying to do. Ask Ben and Josh what they think of the Rams. I don’t think they will use the word ‘clean’. Look, I know it’s football. But I think there is ‘good’ football and ‘bad’ football. Rams D is being coached to play ‘bad’ football. It’s bad for the game.

  9. Both the low hit and head shot looked identical – a false display of hesitation just below the killing blow. We expect nothing less than Greg Williams, who should already have been banned from the league for promoting a perverted legal form of assault.

    There’s no room for this, or Williams, in professional sports.

    The fact that Fisher is attempting to protect him is just as disgusting.

    Do your thing, Zimmer, and keep holding the line. The league needs more of you and less of these inhuman scumbags.

  10. Comparing the number of games as a head coach between the two is a self serving attempt to justify the slant in this “story”.

    Zimmer was a heck of a defensive coordinator and has plenty of experience to speak from. It was a cheap shot and its over.

  11. what difference does it make how many NFL games each has coached.
    Zimmer is upset about the hit. He is trying to act & speak in the best interest of his players.
    I support him in that.

  12. I have no dog in this fight. But I agree with Zimmer. The tape looks like Zimmer thought. Yes, it is quick, but he has a split second to hold up, and he does not. He hits the QB to the head with a forearm. If the situation was reversed, Fisher, with all he vast experience, would also have been very upset.

  13. pack13queens0 says:
    Nov 9, 2015 8:11 PM
    Bridgewater & Zimmer need to grow a pair. It’s Football, the hit was 100% clean.

    _______

    Packers fans always ceases to amaze me.

  14. Fisher the coach of consistently overly-emotional teams is gonna go that route huh?

    I remember a couple years ago being at rams-seahawks in seattle and his team had a literal emotional meltdown before our very eyes, throwing helmets and fighting and pouting.

    Zimmer handled such a situation about as well as one could in my opinion, watching his QB get knocked out by a very very obvious cheap shot.

  15. Jeff Fischer is human garbage. He coaches dirty, hence his players always play dirty. As for the free advice, take it if you want a career winning percentage of .521, otherwise maybe Zim ought to just ignore that crap he spews.

  16. How refreshing is it for a coach not to hold back his emotions right after the game? Not to have a scripted bunch of comments duringthe press conference?? To not like Mike Zimmer is to not like a great coach. He might be a little verbally abusive to his players at times, but he knows how to get them up and ready to play football. Kudos for Mike Zimmer for speaking out and saying the obvious truth.

  17. Jeff, I know you are sticking up for your guy but Joyner could have avoided contact after identifying the slide and he chose not to. He should be fined at a minimum.

  18. Now we’ll see how big of fine or suspension Joyner gets and that will say what the NFL sees on tape.

    Fisher and Williams and Kroenke deserve each other and the NFL deserves to be rid of them. All three are a bit mental.

  19. brenenostler says:
    Nov 9, 2015 8:10 PM
    Maybe I’m a minority here, but it doesn’t look like Joyner meant any harm. It looks as if he was going to try to tackle Bridgewater before he started sliding, and just the angles they were coming from caused an unfortunate ending.

    =
    I hate the over protection the league gives QBs but the rules state that a QB is considered down when he BEGINS the slide.

  20. Fisher’s defense is taking out opposing QB’s in hopes of gaining a competitive advantage.

    Opposing defenses are trying to to keep Nick Foles upright to keep their competitive advantage intact.

  21. Fisher is the most inarticulate overrated clown in the coaching ranks (not even hacks like Dave Wannstedt could compete in those ranks). Of course he gave Williams a second chance–an undeserved one at that–just like any job he has afterwards will be when the Rams fire him for going 7-9 again this year.

    How there’s any respect for this guy shows how insular the NFL actually is and what a disgrace it is deep down (Roger Goodell? Really?)

  22. I will also never forget the time the Titans got shellacked 59-0 by the Patriots and the completely clueless look on his face.
    An embarrassment to the sport.

  23. Here’s the problem with Joyner’s/Fischer’s claim…why was he diving? If he was going to tackle him he should have been squared up with his shoulder down…not flying through the air like a missile. When your team has knocked out 3, yes 3, QBs this season and your D coordinator is on tape coaching how to attack injuries and knock guys out of the game (which resulted in a year long suspension)….well Jeffy, that’s what you get. #classless

  24. Yo, Jeffie, next time you want to instruct a rook Coach, make sure you are right.

    You aren’t. Apologize or play dumb, but Zim was right. Check the tape.

  25. Fisher has been riding the coat tails of a few good seasons with Tennessee for YEARS now. He’s also been known to coach some of the dirtiest teams in football. What has this guy done since Eddie George and Steve McNair retired, seriously?

  26. Purplelove1: Fish didn’t say to watch it in slow-mo. In fact that’s part of the problem. Everyone is watching it in slow-mo and it looks much much worse than it really is. At full speed, it shows a very quick bam-bam play.

  27. Hey Jeff… you got some poop on your lip.

    I know it’s Movember but what’s your excuse for the rest of the year?

  28. Rams vs Cutlet next week… All but guarantees yet another victim on the Rams QB hit list.

  29. Teddy was clearly in his slide before the defender left his feet. I call BS on anything the Rams coaches or players are saying.

  30. Why is Gregg Williams even allowed to coach?

    On March 2, 2012, it was revealed that during Williams’ tenure the Saints ran an illegal “bounty fund” which paid players for causing injuries to opponents that would result in those players leaving the game. The NFL found that Williams and as many as 27 Saints defensive players were involved in the scheme.[15] An unidentified Saints player first alerted the NFL to the scheme in the 2010 offseason, but the investigation stalled until the NFL found irrefutable evidence of a bounty system just before the 2011–12 playoffs.[16]

    A league investigation revealed that Williams began the bounty system soon after he arrived in New Orleans, after Payton charged him to make the Saints’ defense “nasty.” Players usually earned $1,000 for “cart-offs” and $1,500 for “knockouts” during the regular season (though payments were known to triple during the playoffs), though they were encouraged to put their winnings back into the pot in order to raise the stakes as the season went on. The investigation also found that Payton tried to cover up the scheme.

    Soon after the investigation came to light, several former players and coaches with the Bills and Redskins claimed that Williams operated similar systems while he was with them.[19][20] Former NFL coach and current NBC Sports analyst Tony Dungy said that he was certain Williams operated a similar system with the Oilers/Titans as well.[

  31. Fisher hires a DC with a history of coaching his players to injure players on the opposing team, and Fisher is surprised when other coaches get pissed when they do it?

    Zimmer has every right to be angry. And Zimmer’s honesty as a coach is what makes him fun to cheer for, and seems to make players want to play hard for him.

  32. He’s on yo Chicago?

    That dirt bag is not allowed to say anything remotely resembling anything Belichick would utter, and he’s on the competition committee laughable and he and his 325 games coached, dirty fraud.

  33. Unavoidable contact. Should be an non issue except for Vikings fans and the neutered males who watch The View.

    Talib’s eye poke was the obvious intentional shot of the week. My grandma said you could have poked an eye out with that nail Talib.

  34. pack13queens0 says:
    Nov 9, 2015 8:11 PM
    Bridgewater & Zimmer need to grow a pair. It’s Football, the hit was 100% clean.
    ———————————-
    This coming from a cheesehead? I hope Rodgers gets his head severely rattled on a “100% clean hit” when they play the Vikings.

    Stay classy Green Bay

  35. I watched the end of that game and there’s no if’s, and’s or but’s about it, it was a dirty play. Like an earlier poster stated, in slow motion it even looks worse…..maybe Fisher watched it in super high speed and blinked at the wrong moment. Also, how can every coach in the NFL think that every opponent’s hits are dirty but never their own. If Fisher were the coach of the Vikings, I’m quite sure his opinion would be quite different.

  36. Anyone that can’t see he launched down toward the sliding QB is either blind or biased.

  37. brenenostler says:
    Nov 9, 2015 8:10 PM

    Maybe I’m a minority here, but it doesn’t look like Joyner meant any harm. It looks as if he was going to try to tackle Bridgewater before he started sliding, and just the angles they were coming from caused an unfortunate ending.
    _________________________________________

    None of us can tell if you’re a minority since there aren’t any pictures here, but none of us really care whether you are or aren’t…

  38. What about that reversal on the pass interference call? First, after the officials huddled, they said the Rams committed the foul. Soon thereafter, the referee called it – without huddling – on Diggs. Almost like the Fisher had input on the call as a member of the competition committee..

    As for the knockout blow to the Bridge; I concur with the majority of all above so have nothing to add except to say the fools that disagreed; well GTH. You are clueless and I have no time for you….

  39. I find it somewhat classless of Fisher that he goes out of his way to call out Zimmer after his player was at fault. Zimmer never went after Fisher, personally. He went after the player who took the shot and the defensive coordinator, who has a history of coaching players to take cheap shots. Fisher should have kept his mouth shut. Better to remain quiet and appear a fool then to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.

  40. Least talented coaching staff in league, without question. Cheating (12 penalties at least), multiple dirty plays. Dont give me the line that they play an aggressive style defense. Vikings play aggressive also, but do so within the confines and rules of the game as Vikings are amongst the least penalized teams. Thats attributed to coaching staff. Easy to coach cheating and dirty plays. How and why that staff is employed for mediocre results is beyond me.

  41. I looked at the tape Jeff. Your player either intentionally hit the QB in the head, or he thought Teddy wasn’t going to slide and he intentionally was going to go low on Teddy. Which is it Jeff?!

  42. Football isn’t played in slow-mo…

    Anyways, he will be fined for contact to the head and we move on. Good grief folks it’s football!

    As Fisher said, he’s not the first QB to be hit while sliding and he won’t be the last.

    Maybe you girls should pick another sport.

  43. Fischer is a scumbag. How he got on the competition comittee is beyond me. But it’s a bad look for the NFL to have someone who is frequently associated with dirty play, directly or otherwise, to be in a position of influence.

  44. When you get a guy like Rodney Harrison calling you out on national TV….who wasn’t a saint either…I don’t think Fish you have a lot of credibility when it comes to these sorts of incidents

  45. I remember when Anthony Barr took a shot at a QB close to the sidelines…Zim was in his face and cussed him out. Later he found out that the hit was legal. He coaches his teams to play within the rules. He has been a respected D Coordinator for a long long time and has a year under his belt as an NFL coach. So Fish you can keep your scumbag D Coordinator and enjoy your once again flop of a season. Hopefully you are seen in the unemployment line by the end of the season.

  46. Bridgewater assumed he could slide safely, but he went into his slide too late. Lesson to be learned: Slide sooner, don’t be a hero, it don’t take off running.

    It’s your head.

  47. Dirty coach Jeff Fischer:

    329 games coaching in the NFL and not one Superbowl win.

    Hope you and your even dirtier coach Gregg Williams never win another game for the rest of your sordid, classless careers.

  48. Fisher is full of it, and quite frankly has no business lecturing Zimmer.

    First off, Zimmer has been coaching in this league just as long as Fisher, and as a DC knows what goes on.

    Second, before the game Vikings players knew from tape and word of mouth that the Rams play dirty. That reputation deserves more scrutiny. Especially with a scum-bag like Gregg Williams as DC.

    Third, it wasn’t just the hits on Bridgewater that were dirty. There were others as well.

    Sounds like Joyner is looking at a $25K minimum fine for his hit on Bridgewater. But hopefully the MF Williams will finally get the high hard one for life after being found to be up to his old dirty tricks again.

  49. The Puritan lynch mob on this site gets more comical by the day. I read things like “Fisher is human garbage.” Really? Have you ever met the man? And then there are the 20 “stay classy” quips one is bound to see.

    Yes, and stay unoriginal and self-righteous.

  50. Answer to how fisher got on the competition committee, Godell appointed him

    Same Godell who named Blandino the head of officiating, a guy who not only never was an official never played the game.

    Two more reasons why Godell should be fired

  51. I haven’t had a chance to see the hit yet.
    So I can’t give an honest opinion on it.

    I’m still a little shocked that Viking fans have finally found something to complain about. (Eye Roll)

  52. charliecharger says:
    Nov 9, 2015 8:14 PM
    Wow 329 regular season wins, but only 6 winning seasons, and this is his 21st season. No wonder they have the Rooney rule.

    __________________

    That’s 329 regular season games, certainly not wins.

    And the Rooney rule is a joke.

  53. Fisher is out of his mind! I saw a picture of the hit right at impact. Joyner’s shoulders are completely perpendicular to the ground and he’s leading with his forearm. There isn’t a defensive player in the league that “tackles” this way, nor is there a football coach in the history of football that teaches this “technique”, other than maybe Williams to his defenses on sliding QBs.

  54. Mike Zimmer’s issue is w/ G. Williams & by extension Fisher. His son Adam Zimmer was an assistant LB coach under Williams in N.O. during the bounty gate season of 09. Adam is now a def asst(LB) under his dad Mike for the Vikings. Zimmer said today 11/09 he can tell when players are “coached” to make dirty plays. I would imagine it has to do with what his son Adam told him about Williams during that season, what Zim then saw on film, & live on Sunday. Fisher knows how Williams coaches & still chose him to be in charge of his Def. Previous comment referenced Adrian Peterson & 2nd chances. I think it would be fair to say that Williams & Peterson both have reputations. Fisher should expect this. Fisher knew what he was getting when he hired Williams. This is the beginning of the consequences of that decision.

  55. For anyone who thinks it was a clean hit, watch it again! He clearly lowers & stiffens his elbow as he is about to hit Teddy. If you watch that and still think it was a legal hit, then you are either a Rams homer or one of Fishers or Williams relatives!

  56. Jeff Fischer
    Dirty player and coach, has a marginal record as a coach.

    Not a fan of either team, but that was a dirty play with intent to injur

  57. bencoates57 says:
    Nov 9, 2015 8:32 PM

    Tom Brady would have juked him.
    =========

    Wouldn’t have been playing them.

    The Rams went into the game with a winning record and we all know the Pats don’t play teams with winning records.

  58. New flash to the rest of the PFT audience, Viking fans tend to wildly exaggerate and complain excessively so take their slant on this with a grain of salt.

  59. Saw the replay many times. It looks WORSE each time, Fisher.

    Fisher’s reputation will continue to follow.
    And, the stench gets worse with every game that he has Greg Williams as his DC.

    You are who you surround yourself with, Mr. Fisher.

    You need to take a class in……well,CLASS.

    See your instructor, Mr.Zimmer, immediately.

  60. stellarperformance says:
    Nov 9, 2015 8:54 PM

    Bridgewater assumed he could slide safely, but he went into his slide too late. Lesson to be learned: Slide sooner, don’t be a hero, it don’t take off running.

    —————————————————————-
    Either way, if Teddy doesn’t slide, he’s taking that forearm to the side of his knee. That’s what makes Joyner’s comments so absurd. If he thought he was going to keep running, then he intended to hit him below the waist, also dirty. Why not just wrap him up high if he thought he was going to keep running.

  61. Remember Fischer taught Williams the dirty plays when he was on his staff in Tennessee. Williams learned well. Every stop he’s been a dirty coach. Buffalo, Washington, New Orleans and St Louis. This trash needs to be banned for life from coaching on any level.
    Hey Rog, exactly why is Fischer on the competition committee? Hello, Rog? Anybody home?

  62. Pack13queens0
    Bridgewater & Zimmer need to grow a pair. It’s Football, the hit was 100% clean.

    ———————————————————
    This clown must be chocking on his cheese for saying such a stupid thing! Don’t forget you did choke in the NFC championship game!

    See you in 2 weeks as we take over 1st place!

  63. See Mike, Coach Fisher might have also been suggesting to you to try and control your emotions when writing. (Didn’t see the play, didn’t watch a tape, just reading good old Mike)

  64. thegame2love says:
    Nov 9, 2015 8:45 PM
    Football isn’t played in slow-mo…
    As Fisher said, he’s not the first QB to be hit while sliding and he won’t be the last.
    Maybe you girls should pick another sport.
    ))))))))))))

    You are sounding very obtuse. People have stated he was slow to slide but that is inaccurate. He was on his back when he was hit. Well into his slide. If that player wanted to he could have gone over the top. He meant to hit him. He flip his elbow to make sure he had at least a piece of him. They teach these QB’s that if they slide they are protected. But as we see only certain QB’s are. That guy went after Teddy that is why he was grinning and getting daps from a coach coming off the sideline. Your quote about Fisher is part of the problem here. He isn’t going to change this is what he & Williams teach. If that was your QB you wouldn’t be talking tough either. You would be asking for a flag.

  65. St. Louis Rams head coach Jeff Fisher addressed statements from former NFL safety and current NBC commentator Rodney Harrison, in which he claimed that cheap shots are “typical of Jeff Fisher teams.” Harrison also claimed that Fisher once laughed at him after the safety was injured on a cheap shot.

    Fisher calls Harrison’s claims “absurd,” and went into plenty of detail about why he thinks Harrison isn’t the most credible source for these kinds of claims.

    “This is coming from a guy that had 18 unnecessary roughness penalties, seven personal fouls, four roughing the passer penalties, a total of 77 penalties in his career,” Fisher said. “And was voted three times the ‘Dirtiest Player in the National Football League’ and was suspended for a helmet-to-helmet hit on Jerry Rice in 2002.”

  66. teamnorsecore says:
    Nov 9, 2015 9:24 PM

    Waffle…..if it were #12 we were talking about, you’d probably be sitting outside of Fisher’s house with a baseball bat right now.
    ______________________________________

    Touché!

  67. whatjusthapped
    Nov 9, 2015, 8:29 PM CST
    New flash to the rest of the PFT audience, Viking fans tend to wildly exaggerate and complain excessively so take their slant on this with a grain of salt.
    ——-
    Everybody that saw the play agrees it was a dirty hit. Everybody except Packer fans.

  68. The replay makes its evident that
    Bridgewater started falling backwards into his slide well in advance of Joyner’s launch.

    Joyner had enough time to decide how he was going to respond. He could have chosen to simply touch Bridgewater down, but instead launched himself at such a low trajectory that it was impossible to avoid a head collision.

    And its been mis-stated several times that Joyner’s elbow or forearm made contact with Bridgewater’s head, although it was closer to his tricep. This suggests he was actually trying to deliver the blow with his shoulder, and missed.

    I’m willing to reserve judgement as to Joyner’s morality and sportmanship because he doesn’t yet have a track record of dirty, late hits, but the replay makes it clear that he deliberately and unnecessarily launched himself at Bridgewater’s head.

  69. Man, there are some iffeminate commenters on here. This is football. These players arent playing in slo mo you couch potatoes. Bridgewater has the ability to leave you in the dust if you let up just a little bit in a game of football in real time. Again its football! You are supposed to hit the dude with the ball. Too much estrogen in those beers everyone is drinking.

  70. packer fans commenting like they wouldn’t have gone wild. The Vikings aren’t the first team this year to have a problem with how the Rams play. The Giants did and Reggie Bush was pushed in the back while he was out of bounds and got hurt.

  71. Really Jeff? Sounds like the pot is calling the kettle black.

    *“I think a good a lesson to be learned from this is control your emotions*

  72. This is Jeff Fisher’s 21st year as a head coach. He has only made it to the playoffs 7 times. Only 4 of those times has he made it to the second round. Only once has he made it past that. How does this guy keep getting a free pass. His career record is 165-150. He is the definition of mediocre. Of course he would endorse scumbag play. He has a 20 year career of not getting it done with what talent that he has.

  73. LOL…coach with 6 winning seasons in 21 years. Sounds like Zim should take whatever advice Fish has to dish out and do the exact opposite.

  74. All I hear from the idiots on here is “it’s football, it’s football” yea, so…there are also rules that players must follow in football! Watch the tape, get a clue. If the roles were reversed you’d all be demanding suspensions and fines too, so spare us the “it’s football” speech, please!

  75. Jeff, you’ve been coaching for 21 years and are barely over .500. Don’t be giving out advice like you are Bill Belicheck or Bill Parcells.

    If I was starting a team today, and had to pick you or Zimmer, it would be Z.

  76. We AZ Cards fans watched Carson Palmer go down last year against the Rams, lost for the season.

    The season still had hope thanks to the fine play of backup QB, Drew Stanton. That lasted just until we played the Rams for the second time, at which point Drew Stanton’s season ended.

    I’m sure it’s all coincidental.

  77. luvmnsports2012….no we wouldn’t. Just the requisite penalty which was given. Not calling for suspensions or fines. I would know what I’m getting into. He didn’t poke someone’s eye out after the play.

  78. I’m a Packer fan and have no love for the Vikings but the first thing I thought of when Bridgewater went down was that Greg Williams of the infamous Bounty Gate in New Orleans is the Rams’ defensive coordinator. I don’t blame Zimmer for feeling the way he does.

  79. nje22 says:
    Nov 9, 2015 8:33 PM

    Fisher’s a chump
    Zimmer, straight up, wish Bengals still had him instead of Marv the tard.
    ——————————————————

    We will keep Zimmer. You should stick with Marv. Seems your bengals are having a great year with Marv coaching. Although, i’d also attribute that to Dalton.

  80. these are the facts:
    Williams should have been banned for life after the Bounty fiasco.
    Joyner deliberately hit a sliding quarterback IN THE HEAD with an elbow.
    A league that pees it’s pants about safety allows a dirtball like Williams to coach a team.
    A league that pees it’s pants about safety should suspend the guy for a game. They won’t.
    thank you.

  81. I just can’t stand the crying. The purple people just last week were thumping their chests over knocking Matt Forte out of the game with a knee injury. Now they want to cry. It’s absurd. And typical.

  82. The real bogus point here in my mind is Fischer’s contention that Zim should have controlled his emotions like a damn political candidate — an NFL coaches’ job is to harness and use emotion as part of the game, not hide it. Zimmer did just that, and his players and the team’s fans love the guy for it.

  83. It was s cheap shot either way. If teddy didn’t slide he would have been hit low at the knees and then the season is over. Oddly enough the concussion was the better of the options.

  84. Ok, I’ll take the bait. What’s absurd is the contention that Vikings fans thumped their chests over their D injuring another player like Forte. And to think a certain cheeser’s comments at least once were mildly thoughtful and entertaining, not just blatantly inaccurate and stupid — must be crabby from getting creamed 2 straight games.

  85. brenenostler says:
    Nov 9, 2015 8:10 PM
    Maybe I’m a minority here, but it doesn’t look like Joyner meant any harm. It looks as if he was going to try to tackle Bridgewater before he started sliding, and just the angles they were coming from caused an unfortunate ending.
    ———————–
    Right because we were all taught to tackle people by sliding and throwing your elbow out. Give me a break.

  86. The Almighty Cabbage says:
    Nov 9, 2015 11:00 PM
    I just can’t stand the crying. The purple people just last week were thumping their chests over knocking Matt Forte out of the game with a knee injury. Now they want to cry. It’s absurd. And typical.
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    I don’t remember anyone thumping their chests over Forte getting injured. There is a major difference berween a very legal hit by Harrison and the blatent elbow thrown by Joyner. So, not sure what your trying to prove with your “absurd” statement which is “typical” of a Packer troll in a Viking thread.

  87. Once a criminal will always be one, once a dirty coach will always be one. This is what typical coaches of Fisher and Greg will do. They coach the game to hurt others but not to win.

  88. Once a criminal will always be one, once a dirty coach will always be one. This is what typical coaches of Fisher and Greg will do. They coach the game to hurt others but not to win. This is why America keeps records for a reason.

  89. Forte was knocked out of the game on a 100% legal tackle (outstanding form too!), not a cheap shot to a guy’s head! I bet you didn’t even see the play…

    The Almighty Cabbage says:
    Nov 9, 2015 11:00 PM

    I just can’t stand the crying. The purple people just last week were thumping their chests over knocking Matt Forte out of the game with a knee injury. Now they want to cry. It’s absurd. And typical.

  90. The Almighty Cabbage says:
    Nov 9, 2015 11:00 PM
    I just can’t stand the crying. The purple people just last week were thumping their chests over knocking Matt Forte out of the game with a knee injury. Now they want to cry. It’s absurd. And typical.
    …………….
    There wasn’t a single post where a Viking fan celebrated Forte’s injury. Forte has always been a class act and hopefully he’ll recover quickly. That crying you’re hearing is coming from Wisconsin and it’s probably Aaron Rodgers.

  91. Not one person was thumping their chest whe Forte got injured last week. That’s an outright lie unless some troll said something for effect like Tokyo does with his whole Stringer/35W bridge bit. Stop lying, Sir.

  92. So how many games do you have to be a Head Coach before you can call a dirty play a dirty play? Do you get any credit for being a DC for 10+ years or do they not count? Look at the tape. Its still a dirty play and Joyner could see Teddy going into the slide 4 steps away. Its funny how a lot of players are able to pull up at the last second to avoid hitting the head with a elbow that hit with such force it whiplash Teddy’s head into the ground back and into the ground again.

  93. Look at the play from the beginning.
    At regular speed, TEDDY is well into his slide,
    legs forward, sliding
    he was not between running and sliding,
    or at a position where he could fake the slide and keep going,
    he was well actively into a fully committed slide when the D man decides to go low to take a knock out shot at TEDDY.

    Most other players would of veered left or right without going down or jumped over TEDDY

    Only a dirty player would intentionally go down after a QB 1/2 way into his slide.

  94. NFL DBs are by now quite familiar with QBs running in the middle of the field and sliding. Every single NFL QB is coached to slide — even the Kaepernick’s, RG3’s and Vick’s of the world.

    An oncoming DB has to expect the slide. This DB wanted a shot on the QB. He launched himself for a kill shot and lowered his shoulder mid-air to get a bigger piece of the QB.

    The unstated irony of this situation is that, I think, defensive players genuinely do want to knock offensive players out of the GAME, but not the SEASON/CAREER. Few defensive players would say “I want to end his career”, but many would take pride in knocking a player out of the game.

    That is what made Bountygate so bad. Williams said, on tape, that he wanted to push guys over the pile and tear ACLs.

  95. Zimmer has been a class act for a long time, and moreso as a head coach. Yes, he was emotional, but I give him the benefit of the doubt over Fischer. For anything.

  96. Sports writers like to hype that no team wants to lay the perennial.500 Rams implying the Rams ar a tough team.

    The truth is no team wants to play a dirty team who specializes in cheap and illegal shots. NFL careers are short enough as it is so players don’t enjoy playing dirty teams and the sad sack Rams are the dirtiest team in the NFL.

  97. Yeah typically when you are in the wrong it does take aome time to think of a good response

  98. control your emotions, eh? we will, until the rematch. Zimmer kept it nice and cool on the field and in his presser. its not like he went all crazy like schwartz.

  99. A Jeff Fisher team playing dirty???? say it ain’t so!! His teams have REPEATEDLY played dirty football yet he is never called out for it. Overrated jackass!

  100. Wonder what the outrage will be when crybaby Cutler gets hurt this Sunday??? Will something be done then? ‘Cause you know even if he breaks a fingernail he’ll flail those arms and call for a penalty! Just sayin’ Watch and see…..

  101. Jeff Fisher is a jerk. The tape shows the same thing live action did, that Joyner led with his forearm towards the head of qb that slides when defenders are approaching. Bridgewater is not a sneaky qb that tries to deceive defenders by acting like he’s going to slide and doesn’t. When they approach he slides. Joyner’s hit was pre planned and that is very clear, no matter what he or his coaches say. Only another jerk would say that hit was 100% clean.

  102. All those regular season wins. How bout Fish’s postseason record. What is this bozo doing on the rules committee? Scams and Fisher are a match made in heaven. The silence of Rams continues!

  103. I think a good a lesson to be learned from this is that Fisher is a dirty coach and always has been. ALL of his teams going back to the Titans are cheap shot artists who take pride in injuring other players. The NFL is trying to legislate injuries out of the game. If their ultimate goal is player safety then dinosaurs like Jeff Fisher need to be legislated out of the coaching profession.

  104. “The league’s six-year campaign to promote player health and safety (especially as it relates to concussions)” has been an abject failure. Perhaps they ought to start wearing the big inflatable helmets.

    But on the other hand, the league is really taking care of the quarterbacks’ facemasks, as scraping them with your pinky is now a 15 yard penalty.

  105. People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. I remember very well the comments from Viking trolls taking extreme delight in mocking Rodgers when he broke his shoulder. What goes around, comes around.

  106. bullseye717 says:
    Nov 9, 2015 8:16 PM

    pack13queens0 says:
    Nov 9, 2015 8:11 PM
    Bridgewater & Zimmer need to grow a pair. It’s Football, the hit was 100% clean.

    _______

    Packers fans always ceases to amaze me.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Not all of them….I’d like to hear what pack13’s reaction had been if that would’ve been Aaron Rodgers getting laid out. Rams are teetering on dirtiest team in quite some time and there will be a bench clearing free for all at some point this year if it’s not rectified.

  107. Speaking of glass houses, aren’t Packer fans constantly espousing how classy they are and how they set the standard for football knowledge and conduct, and how they don’t take themselves too seriously.

    Yet, you constantly see them down in the muck rolling around…

  108. Sorry Fisher. Due to your own history and the guy you hired for defensive coordinator, you don’t get the benefit of the doubt on things like this.

  109. It’s far worse when you actually look at the tape and see that he didn’t launch until Teddy was well into the slide.

    I’m baffled at how Greg Williams is still allowed to coach in this league, and I lost a lot of respect for Jeff Fisher this past week.

  110. The owners control the game and owners keep hiring Fischer. If they want coaches who encourage dirty play out of the league all the owners have to do is fire them. But if they are winning they don’t care if their coach raped their daughter. Look how Jerry Jones has used every justification to keep a horrible person in Gregt Hardy on the field. This is a person other players are trying to hurt he is such a bad human being but if he sacks quarterbacks, Jerry Jones would let him beat up his granddaughters as long as he continues to help the cowboys win, except they aren’t winning. If the league cared about appearance and rape and violence, there would be a lot of players and coaches out of this league other than just Ray Rice.

  111. Fisher is a Bitch
    he is a dirty coach. I have seen him smile many times when opposing players get hurt badly. one year his Titans were out of it but he sent a player out to take out Rodney Harrisons Knee just befor the playoffs for the Pats. He was grinning ear to ear and you could see him congradulate his player coming off the field. he always has some BS answer after but he is Just a plain Dirty cheapshot loving mediocre coach

  112. stellarperformance says:
    Nov 10, 2015 9:30 AM
    People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. I remember very well the comments from Viking trolls taking extreme delight in mocking Rodgers when he broke his shoulder. What goes around, comes around…

    The Green Bay Rodgers are the epitome of the glass house. Shoot out the Diva window and it all breaks…I would be more worried about losing to the Lions than worrying about the Vikings

  113. You know what they say about opinions and a$$es… So I’ll only say watch the tape…

    It will be interesting to see what the NFL doesn’t do about it.

  114. conormacleod says:
    Nov 9, 2015 9:57 PM
    whatjusthapped
    Nov 9, 2015, 8:29 PM CST
    New flash to the rest of the PFT audience, Viking fans tend to wildly exaggerate and complain excessively so take their slant on this with a grain of salt.
    ——-
    Everybody that saw the play agrees it was a dirty hit. Everybody except Packer fans.

    —————————

    This packer fan knows it was dirty. It was no different when we played the rams and no different than any team fisher has been in charge of. The guy has always had some of the classiest players (Haynesworth, Finnegan).

    The only problem I have with any of it is Rodney Harrison should have had a gag in his mouth. Talk about the pot and the kettle….

  115. The Almighty Cabbage says:
    Nov 9, 2015 11:00 PM

    I just can’t stand the crying. The purple people just last week were thumping their chests over knocking Matt Forte out of the game with a knee injury. Now they want to cry. It’s absurd. And typical.
    ……………………….
    Really? I have two words for you. I’m sure you can guess what they are.

  116. 2 things:

    1. Zimmer said later that part of why he was so angry was from watching the game film during the week of prep. He saw the dirty plays before the game. Then to see 2 cheap shots on your QB almost cost you a game, of course Zimmer’s mad. And good for him for saying so and speaking his mind. More institutions would be better off if the good men called out the lousy ones.

    2. It’s a non-denial denial. Fischer never denies coaching dirty. If it’s me and I feel clean and Zimmer calls me out, I come back screaming that it’s false, I don’t coach dirty hits, etc. He doesn’t do that. He tries to spin it around on Zim likes it’s just his over reaction and speaking without a filter.

  117. Hey Viking fans, and anyone else Calling Rams dirty..

    Check the Number of Personal Foul Penalties this year by the Vikings Defense, then go look at the number of personal fouls against the rams.

    Then for the fun of it, look at how many of those are roughing the passer penalties on each team.

    Ill give you a hint as to which team has more, by a wide margin… they wear purple, and have a hypocrite for a coach.

    Enjoy fun facts for the day.

  118. strams9 says:
    Nov 11, 2015 3:49 PM

    Hey Viking fans, and anyone else Calling Rams dirty..

    )))))))))))))

    We already know the refs call bad penalties on the Vikings but thanks for the reminder. The Rams have gotten into with a few other teams already this year. They knocked Reggie Bush with a late hit that wasn’t called. Last year they took out Palmer. Do we have to list all the players Fisher and Williams have cheapshotted?Your team is dirty your post proves nothing.

  119. Wrong, you must not even watch football. Bush slipped on concrete out of bounds on his own, he wasnt even touched. The play on Palmer last year, he was hardly even touched. It was fluke where he turned wrong, he wasnt even tackled, Barron got a piece of Palmers shoulder from behind and Plamer was hurt as he stepped forward. Please watch these plays your commenting on. Seriously go Look at the play on Carson, then tell me hat was a dirty intentional hit that cause Palmers injury. This is all just media hype on Williams, no evidence at all.

    Fact is, this year the rams art even in the top half of teams for Personal Fouls.. guess who is in the top 10?

  120. Jeff Fisher was at Pat O’Brien’s in New Orleans for the Super Bowl in 1986, however he was on injured reserve with an ankle injury that cost him his career. There was a little guy there that was a bit drunk and obnoxious but kind of funny. He was a Pats fan. Apparently he got under Fisher’s skin. It was largely a Bears crowd and he clearly felt this guys presence was some sort of violation of Bears territory. I told Fisher to relax, the guy was just trying to be funny, and Fisher said “It’ll be real funny when he wakes up and finds his teeth in the sewer.” There was a real anger and darkness about him. There was definitely something wrong with him. He had a real evil in him. It was unmistakable. That’s why when I hear things about him, I believe it. He was all too quick to pull out stats about Rodney Harrison. He had those on file because he and Rodney have got into it before. I remember when Rodney played for San Diego. I had heard about the dirty player stuff so I didn’t like him, and I thought maybe he led with the crown of his helmet too much, but I watched him over the years with the Patriots, every game, and I think there was only one, maybe two times I thought he went a bit too far. Otherwise he was just a hard nosed player. He was a 6’2, 220 lb safety, which is rare. He could lay the wood on people, and that is more likely why people did not like him.

  121. Love hearing the whining on the board, people that thought that was a penalty are either new to football, completely brainwashed by NFL safety regulations, or have no command of scientific principles.
    The NFL cannot expect players to run full speed at a target and then stop cold on a dime, its physically impossible.
    Lastly, for those saying it was a penalty called on the field don’t have all the info. A referee is graded on his bang bang safety calls. If he drops a flag on the play and he is wrong, he doesn’t receive a penalty from the league. However, if he doesn’t drop a flag on a play later reviewed as dangerous, he gets censured by the league.
    Thanks for playing.

  122. Regarding Harrison, he was VERY dirty with the Chargers but I think he slowed up with the Pats and I don’t remember many if any dirty plays. Probably helped that he was winning way more and much less frustrated.

  123. strams9 says:
    Nov 11, 2015 5:07 PM

    Wrong, you must not even watch football. Bush slipped on concrete out of bounds on his own, he wasnt even touched.

    ))))))))))))

    Now the full story he was pushed in the back out of bounds by a Rams db which propelled forward and Bush was going faster than he would and he tried to stop and you can’t on cement. If he wasn’t pushed in the back he isn’t on the cement. Nice try to defend this dirty coach. And their dirty style of play.

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