ESPN’s QBR ranks Ryan Fitzpatrick ahead of Tom Brady

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In 2011, when ESPN introduced its new statistic Total Quarterback Rating, it was declared the “one stat that measures the totality of a quarterback’s performance.”

In 2015, that one stat says Ryan Fitzpatrick is better than Tom Brady: ESPN’s QBR rankings for this season have Fitzpatrick third in the NFL with a Total QBR of 76.7. Brady is fifth, with a Total QBR of 73.9.

Those rankings obviously look screwy, but taken alone they might seem more like a fluke than an indictment of Total QBR as a stat. The problem is that you can go through the Total QBR rankings and find all kinds of other rankings that just don’t pass the smell test: Brian Hoyer is a top 10 quarterback, ranking ahead of Ben Roethlisberger, Derek Carr, Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers and Russell Wilson. Ryan Mallett, who was benched and cut, ranks ahead of Cam Newton, who’s getting some MVP buzz. Ryan Tannehill, who’s had his ups and downs, ranks dead last among the 32 ranked quarterbacks — behind Colin Kaepernick, who’s been nothing but down.

The biggest problem with QBR is that ESPN isn’t transparent about how it’s calculated. The NFL’s traditional passer rating stat is flawed, but at least there’s no secret about how it’s calculated: Just plug the quarterback’s attempts, completions, yards, touchdowns and interceptions into the formula, and you get his passer rating. With QBR, we’re just supposed to take ESPN’s word for it that they’ve got it all figured out.

QBR incorporates many more elements than passer rating, coming not only from the box score but also from watching tape of the quarterbacks. In theory that should improve the statistic — ESPN says it tracks overthrows, underthrows, dropped passes, defended passes and yards after the catch — but in practice it adds a layer of subjectivity to the process. Does the person analyzing Jets tape have a different criteria for what constitutes a drop than the person analyzing Patriots tape? Baseball statistics have run into problems with different scorers having different standards for when a bobbled ball or a bad throw is an error, and ESPN’s Total QBR may have those same problems.

ESPN also says its QBR calculations are “clutch-weighted.” Again, we’re just supposed to take ESPN’s word for it that the “clutch weighting” is done properly, but the basic idea is that a quarterback gets extra credit if he plays well late in close games. ESPN wants to reward a quarterback who plays his best football while marching his team down the field playing from behind in the fourth quarter.

And that gets to a fundamental problem with the way QBR assesses Brady: The Patriots are rarely losing late in the fourth quarter, so Brady rarely gets an opportunity to prove he can perform in the clutch. A quarterback whose team is often losing in the fourth quarter, like Philip Rivers, gets many opportunities to improve his QBR “clutch-weighting.” And QBR seems to reward a quarterback for his performance in the clutch even if that clutch performance doesn’t result in his team winning. In Week Eight, Rivers had a Total QBR of 92.3, a higher QBR than Brady has had in any game this season. Rivers’s QBR in that game was presumably boosted by leading the Chargers on an eight-play, 49-yard drive to score a game-tying field goal with 2:27 left — even though the Ravens used that remaining 2:27 to march into position for a game-winning field goal with no time left.

In the past, Brady has, of course, had some famous performances playing from behind in the fourth quarter. In last season’s Super Bowl, when Brady rallied the Patriots with two fourth-quarter touchdown passes in a 28-24 win, his QBR was 81.1. That’s a good number, but not as good as the losing quarterback, Russell Wilson, whose Total QBR in the Super Bowl was 90.8.

Brady’s worst QBR this season was a 24.1 — well below average — in the Patriots’ 30-6 win at Dallas. In that game, Brady completed 20 of 27 passes for 275 yards, with two touchdowns and no interceptions. Brady also ran for a touchdown, and QBR also incorporates a quarterback’s rushing ability. So how could QBR rank Brady below average? ESPN doesn’t say, but Brady apparently doesn’t get any clutch credit because the Patriots had at least a two-touchdown lead throughout the second half.

But why shouldn’t QBR reward Brady for his ability to protect leads? Brady is probably the best quarterback in the league at protecting leads by picking up first downs through the air, while other teams protect leads on the ground. Shouldn’t that bolster Brady’s QBR?

There are some good things about Total QBR. The simplest one is that it uses a scale of 0-100, with 50 as average. That makes it easy to understand at a glance, unlike the traditional NFL passer rating, which is on a scale of 0-158.3 and has seen the league average rating rise from 57.8 in 1977 to 89.1 this year, as passing offenses have evolved.

QBR also benefits from using aspects of quarterback play like rushing and avoiding sacks, which are ignored by traditional passer rating. Fitzpatrick is good at making plays with his feet (he has picked up 10 first downs rushing this season) and good at getting rid of the ball when he’s under pressure (he has been sacked only six times, fewest of any quarterback with at least 200 pass attempts), and it’s good that QBR recognizes those attributes of Fitzpatrick’s play. Fitzpatrick really has played better than his traditional passing stats suggest, and there’s room for advanced stats to try to quantify the things the old stats miss.

But ESPN, in proclaiming QBR the “one stat that measures the totality of a quarterback’s performance,” has tried to turn QBR into something it isn’t. A stat that puts the totality of Fitzpatrick’s performance ahead of the totality of Brady’s performance is a stat that needs work.

282 responses to “ESPN’s QBR ranks Ryan Fitzpatrick ahead of Tom Brady

  1. Simmons said it best on his podcast – if your metric spits out things like this (see Can Newton at 24 behind Cousins also), then its time to scrap your metric, ESPN.

  2. All of Brady’s pass attempts are less than 3 yards and he just has good receivers when it comes to picking up YAC.

    Not a knock against Brady, just an observation.

  3. I think QBR was originally designed to make Tim Tebow look good so the more Tebow like (circa 2011) your play (sucking until the 4th quarter) the more the fudge factors favor you.

  4. “The Patriots are rarely losing late in the fourth quarter, so Brady rarely gets an opportunity to prove he can perform in the clutch.”
    ———-
    Don’t worry Pats’ fans. He’ll get his chance this week to overthrow Edelman late in the 4th with the game on the line. Too soon?

  5. Why would anyone ever question the integrity or intelligence of ESPN? Ha Ha Ha.

    They have literally become the laughing stock of sports reporting. I put it on mute when I watch the game.

  6. jetsclaps says:
    Nov 10, 2015 12:42 PM
    All of Brady’s pass attempts are less than 3 yards and he just has good receivers when it comes to picking up YAC.

    Not a knock against Brady, just an observation.

    ______

    They sure didn’t look like 3 yard passes against the Jets.

  7. Don Humphrey says:
    Nov 10, 2015 12:43 PM

    If I could figure out a way to still read what Mike Reiss and Tedy B have to say, I’d ditch ESPN completely.
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    Amen to that!!!

  8. A little insane that you guys broke this thing down so thoroughly, but it’s great. The Dallas example alone proves that QBR, like so many things produced by the World Wide Loser, is a J-O-K-E.

  9. Best week ever for us Giants’ fans. We can talk smack with impunity. We’re the only team in the NFL that absolutely owns NE. If we get killed, well…it was supposed to happen. Can’t wait for this game.

  10. This doesn’t surprise me. It’s a totally bogus way of evaluating a QB and I can’t believe anyone bought into it in the first place.

  11. jetsclaps says:
    Nov 10, 2015 12:42 PM

    All of Brady’s pass attempts are less than 3 yards
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    You should go to Best Buy and purchase a TV – then you could actually watch the games and know the heck you’re talking about.

  12. Ask each and every Head Coach and GM in the NFL, including the Jets, whether they would rather have Fitzpatrick instead of Brady.

    The answers will tell you what to make of ESPN’s QBR rating.

  13. They could negate the fact that Brady never has to be “Clutch” by including some sort of dominate stat. Where a qb’s QBR gets a boost for dominating the start of a game and making the 4th quarter irrelevant.

    An give fitz a break. Dude is lighting it up for the Jets.

  14. Let me guess. Because the Jets don’t want anyone to watch their tapes, they’ve whined at ESPN. For the integrity of the game, they’ve asked for an ex-back office Jets member to analyse their tapes.

  15. ESPN needs only two things to do its job while hanging out at the NFL offices in New York, kneepads and a cash register.

  16. So using this stat I assume all Jets fans prefer Fitzpatrick over Brady

    In other words if they could trade Fitzpatrick today for Brady they would say no way we have a better QB

    This stat is a joke just like ESPN

  17. Any real football fan knew that from the get-go that QBR was indeed crap, then again who watches ESPN, as soon as MNF or NBA is done, that tv is off…

  18. This QBR is a joke insult to fans who are passionate and knowledgeable. This garbage is for casual fans who never question anything. ESPN is for the entry level sports fan.

  19. There’s nothing wrong with the original QB rating. It might be misleading, but at least it’s empirical data. QBR takes too many liberties with “cluth stats” that you really can’t take it seriously. Personally, I think yards per attempt, times sacked, and interception % are my go to stats for evaluating a QB.

  20. ESPN has gone from being the “frenemy” network to being outright hostile to TB and the Patriots in any way possible. Their fakey stat doesn’t interest me. Neither does anything else churned out of that steaming pile of crap in Bristol.

  21. The 80’s and 90’s ESPN use to be terrific. I stopped watching them in about 2005 or 2006 when they changed their format from sports journalists who embraced being sports nerds to gossip network filled with uninformed opinions.

    Entertainment Sports Personalities Nonsense

  22. The sad thing is other sites dedicated to compiling player stats also use that trash QBR. If I can’t calculate it or the entire formula and methodology can’t be explained in detail well it should be ignored.

  23. Kerry Byrne at Cold Hard Football Facts has been ripping QBR apart all season long. It is an absolute joke and a completely subjective (i.e. biased) ranking (it’s not even a statistic because statistics are based on objective measurements).

    As far as being clutch, I think Peyton said it best:
    “You hear about how many fourth quarter comebacks that a guy has and I think it means a guy screwed up in the first three quarters.”

  24. Who cares? It’s ESPN’s measure and as long as it isn’t used to determine wins, losses or any major awards then they can do whatever they want to.
    Why are you so concerned about what a network does when you’re always overextending yourself to discredit them? Oh, wait. Makes sense.

  25. Don Humphrey says:
    Nov 10, 2015 12:43 PM

    If I could figure out a way to still read what Mike Reiss and Tedy B have to say, I’d ditch ESPN completely.
    —————-
    Reiss posts links to all his blurbs and stories on his ESPN twitter account. Go there and you can bypass all the other espn stuff.

  26. justintuckrule says:
    Nov 10, 2015 12:44 PM
    “The Patriots are rarely losing late in the fourth quarter, so Brady rarely gets an opportunity to prove he can perform in the clutch.”
    ———-
    Don’t worry Pats’ fans. He’ll get his chance this week to overthrow Edelman late in the 4th with the game on the line. Too soon?

    Is that what happened last Feburary? Or were Giants fans no longer interested because their season was over?

  27. “All of Brady’s pass attempts are less than 3 yards and he just has good receivers when it comes to picking up YAC.

    Not a knock against Brady, just an observation.”

    Since brady is the fifth ranked QB in air yardage, that is kind of a curious statement.

    “Brady is the most overrated athlete in sports history. Plug in any mediocre qb in NE & he’ll magically win 11 games like matt cassel in 2008.”

    Most people would disagree with overrated but your are right that its not only brady. This run of success has been going on since the krafts bought the pats in 1994 and during that time the first time the pats were in the SB was when brady was in high school. In fact, the pats have more playoff appearances and wins, division titles ,AFC championships and SB appearances between 1995 and the day brady became a starter than the jets have had in the last 46 years. Your right, its not just brady, and its never going to end.

    On ESPN’s rating, they aren’t the only ones that use other factors to rate QB’s than QBR but they are the only ones that don’t have brady ranked first or second (like PFF).

  28. 22 TDs, 2 INTs

    Brady is by far the best QB in the NFL in 2015 and there isn’t even a close second.

    Another Super Bowl ring and NFL MVP are on the way.

  29. Newsflash: ESPN hates the Patriots,so this is no surprise that they are trolling every way they know how. How many wins and Super Bowls do the Pats have? How many do the Jets have? Total QBR? Please… did Mortensen stay up every night figuring this out?

  30. That hack Skip Bayless uses “QBR” all the time when showing his love of a QB.. He is also the biggest Tom Brady lover on the planet. I wonder how conflicted he must feel right now.

  31. If your “observation” is that all of Brady’s pass attempts are 3 yards then you should be wearing a helmet while you’re watching the games as to not injure yourself.

  32. Please stop referring to QBR as a “statistic” – a stat is a figure to be interpreted whereas QBR is already an interpretation. Add in ESPN’s extremely unprofessional trolling of Brady, repeating lies about PSI and repeating falsehoods about taping walkthroughs, it’s quite clear that ESPN are not just subjective but thoroughly and libelously unprofessional.

  33. jetsclaps says:
    Nov 10, 2015 12:42 PM
    All of Brady’s pass attempts are less than 3 yards and he just has good receivers when it comes to picking up YAC.

    Not a knock against Brady, just an observation.

    terripet says:
    Nov 10, 2015 12:52 PM
    Brady the five yard passer

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    According to Pro Football Focus, Brady has hit on 48 percent (11-for-23) of his passes that have traveled 20 yards or more down the field this season, amassing 340 yards on those throws

    Aaron Rodgers has hit on 35 percent of his throws of 20 yards or more down the field this season. Carson Palmer has connected on 37 percent, and Cam Newton — one of the long-shot contenders for the NFL MVP award that seems destined to be Brady’s — has been good on 32 percent of those attempts.

    By the numbers, Brady is firmly in a class with Drew Brees (47 percent, 15.4 yards per attempt), Andy Dalton (47 percent, 18.3 ypa), Philip Rivers (43 percent, 15.2 ypa), Ben Roethlisberger (45 percent, 18.5 ypa) and Matt Ryan (50 percent, 14.2 ypa) as among the most efficient long-ball throwers in the league this season.

  34. As a fair and unbiased Jets fan, it’s true, Fitzpatrick is a better QB than Tom Brady.

    Therefore, to help out the Patriots, the Jets will send to the Patriots:

    Ryan Fitzpatrick
    Geno Smith
    Quentin Coples
    Dee Miliner

    for:

    Tom Brady
    the Patriots 2nd and third round picks in the 2016, 2017, 2018 draft.

    Afterall, the Pats are getting a younger HOF QB.
    Plus some good pieces.
    (Pieces of what, I don’t want to say).

  35. I cannot remember the last time ESPN came up with anything football related that was both accurate and interesting.

    After the debacles of the last 12 months I have made it a point of emphasis to not watch their programs at all. I don’t listen to their radio and I don’t visit their website.

    Sadly I have to watch MNF with them.

    I think it safe to say 32/32 fan bases would choose to have Brady over Fitzpatrick as their starting QB

  36. Last February when Carroll made the most bone-headed decision in the 5,000 year history of organized sport and gave you the ring? No. We watched. Actually, we’re glad you won. Each ring you win, makes ours gleam all the more brighter. If we don’t win it, I’ll root for you to win the next 10 in a row.

    Know what Brady and Eli have in common? Both of their epitaphs will start with the two words, “Yeah, but…”

  37. jetsclaps says:
    Nov 10, 2015 12:42 PM
    All of Brady’s pass attempts are less than 3 yards and he just has good receivers when it comes to picking up YAC.

    Not a knock against Brady, just an observation.

    ______

    They sure didn’t look like 3 yard passes against the Jets.

    ——————

    Brady average yards per completion 8.3 (only better year 8.7)
    Fitzpatrick A Y P C 7.6

    Now what were you saying??

  38. Aybtcr475 says:
    Nov 10, 2015 12:45 PM
    Brady is the most overrated athlete in sports history. Plug in any mediocre qb in NE & he’ll magically win 11 games like matt cassel in 2008.


    Then why didn’t they just keep Cassel? He would have been cheaper he is younger and wasn’t coming off major knee surgery.

    At this point if you are call Brady “overrated” you are pretty much telling the world you are one of 2 things.

    1. Jealous
    2. You don’t have a clue what you are talking about.

  39. Absolutely hilarious !

    Its like bspn staff sat there in a meeting and asked “how can we put together a QB rating system that will consistently make Tom Brady look like the worst QB in the league.”

    There must be a -50% or something if you’re Brady in their formula. Have they even taken down the original Mort report on the deflated balls yet ? They left that out there for months knowing it was a lie.

    The worldwide joke of sportscasting. Have not watched them for 1 minute in almost 10 years now with the sole exception of when the Pats play a game they’re covering.

  40. justintuckrule says:
    Nov 10, 2015 12:44 PM

    “The Patriots are rarely losing late in the fourth quarter, so Brady rarely gets an opportunity to prove he can perform in the clutch.”
    ———-
    Don’t worry Pats’ fans. He’ll get his chance this week to overthrow Edelman late in the 4th with the game on the line. Too soon?
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    Not a Pats fan at all but I am sure that their 4th SB made up for it. BTW that ball should have been caught by Welker and The G-man had one of the luckiest plays in football history. BTW the Giants have no shot this week because your GMen suck.

  41. Profootball reference has an advanced passing section which compares qbs to their peers. It is like OPS+ for football (although I am not sure if it is adjusted for the stadium they play in). Brady is at 132, Fitz is at 100. Cam is at 86 but that should be a given since his rating and comp% are low.

  42. Stats are overrated in football. Besides turnover differential, most stats are questionable in football. But I’d argue that basketball and baseball are games that say analytics are related success (i.e. batting %, FT%,FG% etc).

    People who get excited over QBR and stats are fantasy nerds that think they know football but in reality they can’t even throw a spiral with a NERF ball.

  43. Was that a 5 yard pass to Bolden the other day on that wheel route?

    Does ESPN have a Injury Faking index?
    The NY Giants would be in a class all their own in that category.
    New York Giants***

  44. The biggest problem with QBR is that ESPN isn’t transparent about how it’s calculated.

    Must be from the same guys that figured out how to measure PSI in footballs.

  45. Totally agree with this- the QB is not great if he throws a screen that the receiver takes 45 yds to the house. Tom brady has built a career on throwing high percentage passes that any qb in the league can make- the difference is the offensive blocking schemes that allows the receivers to get so many YAC yds. If this were golf, Tom Brady would be the kind of 3′ putts……..thats nice and all, but everyone can make those. Matt Cassell in that offense had 21 td’s and only 11 int’s………and matt cassell sucks. Its an offense built for a 6th round pick………..which means not a great QB. Plug tom brady into any other offense in the league and i am willing to bet he wouldnt be a top 10 QB in the league. Bill has really made a mediocre qb into a great one- props to Bill.

  46. “ESPN’s QBR ranks Ryan Fitzpatrick ahead of Tom Brady”

    I’m sure this was music to the ears of Bills fans. 🙂

  47. once again…why would anyone beleive anything ESPN says…ever again?? They have been proven to be unreliable and biased…and the QBR rating is a joke.

  48. It made me sad when Reiss ended up with ESPN.
    More than once his reporting has suffered from editorial dictate as well as being forced into the espn cookie cutter mold.

  49. When they trotted this stupid QBR thing out a few years ago I never bought it. I’m certainly not buying it now with the cast of clowns and jokers they employ. ESPN stands for total lack of any accountability. Apparently they don’t know how to spell either…

  50. flash1287 says:
    Nov 10, 2015 1:13 PM

    No one said Cassell is better than Brady, yes Brady is better than Cassell- congrats! The point he was making is that any crappy qb can become good in that offense, and a mediocre one (brady) becomes great. The fact is he is ranked 49th in the last 12 yrs in yds passed IN THE AIR per pass. The dude says he can go another 8 yrs b/c he never uses his arm. He makes throws any qb in the NFL can make (cassell proved that). He’s a good qb, not great, not elite and NO WHERE NEAR the GOAT. Most qb’s in the league can do what he does, he cannot do anything close to what rodgers, bree’s, big ben, peyton or any of those guys do for their team.

  51. Last week, when Brady lit up the Dolphins for 4 TDs and tons of yards, he finished with a lower QBR than Aaron Rodgers, who passed for a massive 77 yards against Denver. It was a reminder of the Dallas week, when Brandon Weeden got a higher QBR than Brady.

    QBR is complete crap. It’s not a statistics per se. Statistics convey information. What QBR is doing is dropping numbers into a bag, secretly mixing them around, and popping out a different number on the other side.

  52. Brady is the most overrated athlete in sports history. Plug in any mediocre qb in NE & he’ll magically win 11 games like matt cassel in 2008.

    ——————————————————————

    ignoring the tons of records brady has and his 4 rings, in 2007 the pats were 16-0 in the regular season cassel had the same team and lost 5 games, to put that in perspective imagine and 8-8 team losing their qb and going 3-13 the next year. this happens all teh time but those qbs arent over rated because you arent filled with immense amounts of jealousy for their qbs

  53. This “news item” reads more like a Tom Brady BJ. Who uses the QBR to quantify anything? Nobody, that’s who. And that’s why this doesn’t matter. Traditional quarterback rating or QBR? Who cares. Neither one can be used to assess “who is the better quarterback”. Each game is different. Each quarterback is different.

    Much ado about nothing.

  54. QBR simply recognizes that it’s the coach, not Brady, that is the real MVP. Put Fitzpatrick into Belichick’s system and who’s to say that he is not better than Brady? Maybe QBR gives credit where credit is due.

  55. No knock on him but there is no justification for a system that places Brian Hoyer at number 8, period.
    bspn, putting the BS in sports ‘reporting’ since 1979

  56. stealthjunk says:
    Nov 10, 2015 1:27 PM
    QBR simply recognizes that it’s the coach, not Brady, that is the real MVP. Put Fitzpatrick into Belichick’s system and who’s to say that he is not better than Brady? Maybe QBR gives credit where credit is due.
    ===

    Who’s to say? I’ll say it. Ryan Fitzpatrick is not a better QB than Tom Brady.

    I know that sounds crazy, but I am not afraid to go there.

  57. QBR obviously has a lot of problems, but there may still be something to it. It’s probably a lot better over a large sample size than it is for a single game. Look at the list of best seasons in history for QBR and it’s all the names you would expect to see. Still, there isn’t going to be a single number that will quantify a quarterback’s performance. The best measure is still the eye test.

  58. i challenge any pats fan to go back through the last 5 yrs and look at every pass brady makes, and tell me what percentage of them were extremely great passes, and how many of them were high percentage passes (meaning very high rate of completion and very low rate of interception- no matter who’s throwing it) which are slants and screen passes. When you come back and say 85% of his passes are high percentage, easy passes that the receiver turns into big plays then tell me how elite he is. The dude has nerves of steel- i give him that 100%, so does eli, i dont think he’s elite, so does tim tebow, i dont think he’s elite either.

  59. Tom Brady is the best qb in the NFL. There is no debate to this unless u are a pats hater. He is the greatest athlete in the whole history of all sports. Sure Aaron Rodgers and Ardrew Luck are better just keep telling yourselves that and eventually u will make it true in heads but still not in reality.

  60. In last season’s Super Bowl, when Brady rallied the Patriots with two fourth-quarter touchdown passes in a 28-24 win, his QBR was 81.1. That’s a good number, but not as good as the losing quarterback, Russell Wilson, whose Total QBR in the Super Bowl was 90.8.
    _____

    Sure, but Wilson also had a higher passer rating.

  61. Why does anyone still watch espn? I give it a try here and there, but after 39 seconds I get so angry I have to shut it off

  62. Its so hilarious watching these idiots twist themselves into pretzels to discredit Brady. Cassel was 11-5 and missed the playoffs with the same offense that Brady shattered records with and almost had a perfect season.

    You people are braindead.

  63. To have to use only numbers to come up with a way to rate QB’s performance is tough. The qualities a good QB brings to the table are often more about intangibles. Not to mention the physical aspects such as teams defenses that the QB has had to face. All these things and more goes into how good a QB is. I for one couldn’t come up with such a formula. My head would hurt too much. With that said, any ranking that lists Tom Brady 5th in the league is probably not using a very good system. I mean seriously, someone name 4 better QB’s in this league.

  64. Brady is the G.O.A.T. and cares NOTHING about stats, personal or otherwise. He cares only about team wins.

  65. ” challenge any pats fan to go back through the last 5 yrs and look at every pass brady makes, and tell me what percentage of them were extremely great passes, and how many of them were high percentage passes….”

    lol ok bro. Brady is one of the best ever at reading defenses and exposing match ups. That is how that offense works. You think these are “high percentage passes”….yeah no kidding genius, they’re SUPPOSED to be. He makes that happen by reading defenses, adjusting at the line if need be, and shredding defenses. Oh but man oh man I wish he just missed those reads and tried to shove the ball into double coverage all the time. Right.

  66. The moment I saw them start using this stat a few years ago I realized that it’s garbage. What’s wrong with the normal quarterback rating? It’s proven to be much more tied in to a teams success than that QBR espn stat they force down our throats.

  67. justintuckrule says:
    Nov 10, 2015 12:48 PM
    Best week ever for us Giants’ fans. We can talk smack with impunity. We’re the only team in the NFL that absolutely owns NE. If we get killed, well…it was supposed to happen. Can’t wait for this game.
    *****************************************

    I see the point because when your team isn’t really as good, but some how you eek out a win, you get to play with house money. If you do lose, nobody expected you to win anyway, so it’s a lot easier to take. That’s the reverse of the kind of pressure a team feels when they are expected to win, and they have everything to lose. Most people don’t want to be in that spotlight. The Patriots are in that spotlight, year in and year out. The Giants are consistently a 7-9 team that manages a couple of 9-7 seasons and backs into the playoffs, and they start playing with house money, because like you said, “we’re not supposed to win anyway.” It happens. The Patriots did it to the Rams in 2001, but they did not back into the playoffs. They went in on a 6 game winning streak which was a harbinger of things to come. That’s what makes it interesting. Most teams can’t handle the kind of pressure that comes from being undefeated today. 40+ years ago there was no 24/7 news cycle, PC Correctness, Paparazzi, Intertubes, Social Networking, Twitter, etc. You could be a mediocre team, running a table full of losing teams, and nobody else really gets involved outside your own home town, until after you go undefeated. The Patriots organization, and Tom Brady, have experience with this. The rest of the players don’t, but this has a different feel to it. I won’t be surprised if they do it, but I won’t be surprised if they don’t. They are playing well, but they aren’t a roster of Pro Bowl/Hall of Fame players, like say the pre-salary cap era 49ers. If they do it, it will be because they executed well and mastered their own domains. The psychology of losing is an inside job. I get the feeling they are on to something in that respect. Having said that the margin between NFL teams is small. We often see a simple coaching change allow a losing team to beat a winning team the following week. The Giants are practicing a new offense and they have got it down now The win last week was against a tough team, on the road They lost three games they could have won. Maybe they could be 8-1. So this is not like David vs. Goliath. Toss in the fact that beating New England is the only way Eli can get his Dad’s approval, because Peyton has always been #1, he plays like he has nothing to lose as well. The Giants will throw the kitchen sink at the Patriots this week because like you say , they aren’t supposed to win,” but they have some game breaking talent on the roster. It will be an interesting game. The Patriots rarely seem to be out of a game, so if the Giants play well, it will be a close game. This game is important to the Giants. They played JPP last week largely because they did not want this game to be his first action. W win against the Patriots will go a long way for Coughlin, and the Giants can sell this to their fan base.

    I would think Giants fans would love to see the Patriots do well. Every Patriots win, and every Patriots Super Bowl win, makes the two the Giants got shine a little brighter, even if they involved some serious luck. It didn’t hurt their cause that the entire free world was working to try and figure out how to beat the 2007 Patriots because they were undefeated, and the Jets and Pats were taking turns violating taping rules, and it turned into the crime of the century, where the Patriots were relentlessly cast as heartless villains running up the score on their helpless victims. Add in the Boston Herald’s shameful false allegation about taping a Rams walk through the day before the Super Bowl, and it created the perfect environment for an upset. The media lost it’s mind. How the Boston Herald survived that is beyond me. Nobody in Boston should ever buy another copy of the Boston Herald. EVAH! They retracted the stroy, admitted it was false, but the damage was done.

    ESPN is basically a political correctness machine. They are intent on manipulating public opinion for sales and marketing dollars. They don’t report the sports news. They MAKE IT. They are beholden to their masters at the NFL front offices and we have seen the character of those people. No offense to women but I am tired of ESPN forcing me to get my sports news from women that seem to bring nothing but good looks and a desire to do have the job to the table. They have a stable of women they rotate in to regurgitate the same questions over and over so they can tell everyone how PC they are. I don’t mind a few good ones, but ESPN is ridiculous. Jamele Hill knows her stuff. I like her a lot. Many others seem like they are plants. The next thing we will likely see will be that we will be getting our mens sports news from men openly living alternative lifestyles, not because they are the best at it and have experience playing, but because ESPN thinks we need to engineer social change. It won’t be enough that it happens either. ESPN will have to wave it in our faces. I watch other networks now. You should too.

  68. Lies, damn lies, and statistics: The new LDLS Stat…

    1. Tom Brady ranks 8-0.
    2. Andy Dalton ranks 8-0.
    3. Cam Newton ranks 8-0.
    4. Payton Manning ranks 7-1.

    I realize much more goes into this ranking than just the quarterback. However, in the end this is the only ranking that matters.

    I now decree that you may use this statistical calculation for yourself. The NFL itself uses it every game, we should too.

    And the actual rankings? Alphabetical because Brady begins with a B. If his name was Zrady it would be ranked by age. Whatever it takes to list him first.

  69. “The point he was making is that any crappy qb can become good in that offense, and a mediocre one (brady) becomes great. ”

    Either brady is part of what makes the pats great or,

    the pats are always going to be great and your nightmare is never going to end, even when brady isn’t there anymore.

    You can’t have it both ways.

    Its kind of funny that people that make the “system” argument don’t realize that the only logical conclusion is that everyone else in the league (including the team they are a fan of) is too stupid to come up with their own “system” if that was all it was.

    Or maybe its their quarterback could just throw “three yard passes” and have as much success, but they choose to do it the “right way” throw down the field for 50 yard attempts and if it doesn’t work just live with the 5-11 season.

    LOL!

  70. “Not a Pats fan at all but I am sure that their 4th SB made up for it. Your g-men suck.”
    —-
    Actually, Gary Myers wrote an interesting column about that yesterday in the NYDN. He followed Brady all over the place in preparation of his Brady vs. Peyton book and Brady is still stewing about both of those losses, especially the first one as you can imagine.

    Do we suck? Eh… Our defense does, I’ll give you that. But our offense can keep us in every game. We lost by 3 giving up 52. Thus, even if Brady has a historic day, there’s no reason this game still can’t be decided on the final drive.

  71. Brady has the best TE in football, arguably the best slot WR and has had a top 3 pass catching RB for the past 5 years. No disrespect to Tom, but I dare say 100’s of men could QB the Patriots to the playoffs. Further, when you are throwing 3-7 yard “pick and roll” type passes, it’s hard to perform poorly. You don’t have to take my word for it, ask John Stockton…

  72. The answer is simple… ESPN hates Brady, the Patriots, and Bob Kraft , they think all Patriots fans are a bunch losers and fruitcakes, so they devised a way to tweak all them all at once.

    But in the end … Its ESPN and as Tom Brady put it… They are the TMZ of sports channels.

    Boo Yah!

  73. BroncosCheatedTheSalaryCap says:
    Nov 10, 2015 12:45 PM

    ESPN is awful. Unless you want to watch LeBron hi-lights 24/7.

    My friends and I briefly thought about a drinking game that we had to drink every time ESPN mentioned LeBron. We decided that alcohol poisoning that will occur after 10 minutes wasn’t worth it.

    As for the QBR? I am not a Patriots or a Brady fan but any stat that is used that says Fitzpatrick is better I stop paying attention at that point.

  74. “Cassel was 11-5 and missed the playoffs with the same offense that Brady shattered records with and almost had a perfect season”

    Not only that, but there’s another part of that story that no one ever mentions. It’s the fact that the Patriots had a much easier schedule in 2008, the year Cassell won 11 games, than they did in 2007.

    In fact, by sheer happenstance, the Patriots had one of the softest schedules in NFL history in 2008. That year, they got to play eight games (fully half their schedule) against the two worst divisions in the NFL, the AFC West and NFC West. That year, those two divisions produced a total of one (1) team with a winning record between them (the AZ cardinals, at 9-7).

    Go ahead and look it up. That was the year the Chargers won the AFC West title despite an 8-8 record.

    In fact, if you look at the games that produced that 11-5 record in 2008, you’ll find that the Cassell and the Patriots actually had a LOSING record in the few games they played against teams that finished above .500.

    Contrast that with Brady’s 2007 team, which had to beat six (6) teams that won 10 or more games in the regualr season.

    In other words, Cassell won 5 fewer games despite playing a MUCH easier schedule.

  75. ESPN’S QBR rating is stupid,especially since they don’t really say how they arrived at these numbers. That said,they sure won’t mind the TV ratings they get next Monday night when the Bills come to Foxboro. Rex Ryan will be shooting his mouth off all week leading up to it,I’m sure,making even more people want to watch the most hated team in sports blow Buffalo’s doors off. Love it,but wish it was on NBC.

  76. “he cannot do anything close to what rodgers, bree’s, big ben, peyton or any of those guys do for their team”

    Oh yeah, Peyton is really carrying the Broncos on hi sback this year. LOL

    Serious question – have you ever actually watched a football game?

  77. justintuckrule says:
    Nov 10, 2015 12:48 PM

    Best week ever for us Giants’ fans

    ——–

    mine was that week that Goodell handed that trophy off to Kraft back in February

  78. If there is anything subjective about the judgements, you can bet ESPN will use them to somehow make the Greatest of All Time look bad.

    Florio is right about the clutch thing. Incredibly stupid. Rivers is clutch because he is always behind. Flacco is a great playoff QB because he never has a bye and is always playing on wild card weekends (thus racking up easier playoff wins. Give Brady a “playoff win” for every bye he’s earned and he have something like 30 playoff wins).

    One other flaw I suspect with this formula: they probably penalize for “yards after catch”, attributing that to the receiver. That is stupid too. Getting YAC is about precise passing, as much a anything. Fans are always complaining that Brady is a “system” QB making short passes. But making such a system work requires incredible accuracy (for YAC) and also a very quick ability to read defenses and deliver the ball right away. If it were easy, other QBs would do it.

  79. I just checked their All-Time Best Games (2006 onward) for QBR and the highest rated game is, obviously, that classic game where Charlie Batch went 12/17 for 186 yards and 3 TD/2 INTs. Not only is that obviously the most impressive passing day not involving the Big XII, but to do it while competing against two Josh’s (Freeman and Johnson) really puts this historical achievement into proper context.

  80. Really? Do super bowls get factored in? How bout total wins and losses? I say if any rating doesn’t show Brady as #1 then it’s a sham…G.O.A.T… Oh and by the way, HTTR.

  81. Stats are not supposed to be subjective. When they incorporate subjectivity those stats transition to opinion and that is ESPN’s main premise. They were much better when they showed highlights and let fans figure out who to like or support on their own. The analysts on ESPN and NFLN are ex-player blowhards that don’t really know what they are talking about for the most part. Their opinions change depending on which portion of the segment they are in and the homers/haters are rampant.

    How do they know when it is an overthrow or when a receiver runs the wrong route? Are interceptions discounted on perfect passes that bounce off receivers’ hands? I would much rather see my QB with a 20 point lead than watch him throw a 4th quarter TD for the lead and then lose the game on a last second field goal.

  82. This isn’t the first and won’t be the last time QBR’s flaws are exposed. That’s what happens when people who should know better try to use sabermetric style analysis where it has no business being used such as a pure team sport like football. It just doesn’t work very well.

    In the meantime the NFL officially tracks passer rating not this ESPN made up junk.

    Always did. Always will.

    Therefore, passer rating is good enough for me.

    🙂

  83. I’m laughing at the guys who say Brady makes all easy throws. The point with Brady isn’t how far he throws the ball it’s the placement of his throws. If you watch him make the throws in tight spaces the ball placement is impeccable. Not every QB in the league can make the throws he makes, adjust both pre and post snap to the defenses, or handle the offensive line calls the way he does. The brilliance handling the offensive line shuffling they have to do right now is being lost. They are losing linemen at an alarming rate, yet somehow their offense isn’t suffering. There’s a reason Belichick has 4 rings in New England and it starts and ends with number 12.

  84. I suspect that the values input for Brady on 11 of 12 variables in BSPN’s formula were at least 2 under what Brady actually achieved

  85. LOL! So some people think that Brady is only good because the system he plays in and after 15 years no other team has adopted that very same system so they can plug any QB into and win football games? Even though that could be saving there own jobs? Or lead to more success and more money? And the NFL is considered a copy cat league.

    Are you listening to yourselves? Are you even believing what you are trying to sell?

    What makes Tom so great is that he picks the defense apart with his brain before he snaps the football.

  86. ESPN is becoming a joke
    all anyone needs is the eyeball test unless we are all just idiots which QBR implies

  87. By the way…if you think “backing in” equates to making the playoffs with an unimpressive regular season record, well…we all can’t benefit from being gifted 6 wins before the season even starts. We’re 8-1 vs. your division over the last 2+ cycles.

  88. Let’s face it this QBR system was created by Chris Mortensen and a bunch of ex Jets officials who now work for the NFL as security and media liason people. They leaked the formula to to “Mort” and he did his usual “doo doo diligence” and it became a formula to make mediocre QB’s seem like the second coming of Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas.

    Good job Mort. By the way, how did it go with the deflated football article? Still getting facts thrown at you that you can’t reconcile with your “facts”? Don’t you hate it when the real facts get in the way of a sensational story?

  89. There has to be a better way to combine the idea of one and add to the other. Mix in Rushing Yards per attempt, Rushing TDs, and other items that it’s easy to be subjective about- i.e.- clearly missing open WRs or Zigs that were supposed to be Zags and misplayed passes that lead to INTs. And a formula could be created to balance for SoO, garbage time and whether the QB who put up 400 yards go there because he put the team behind to begin with (Hi, Andy Luck!). You could also account for and deflate for running the score up.

    When you get into the really subjective stuff (i.e. MLB fielding metrics), you are seeking to make subjective events Objective by the way of ‘statistical law’.

  90. ” challenge any pats fan to go back through the last 5 yrs and look at every pass brady makes, and tell me what percentage of them were extremely great passes, and how many of them were high percentage passes….”

    Let’s see, how about the 3rd and 17 he completed against the Jets a few weeks ago when he hit JE for 19 yards (all air no yac)

    Or how about in the SB when he hit JE on 3rd and 15 for 21 yards (again all air no yac)

  91. And letsgobuffalo just got owned…..

    dingusgenius says:
    Nov 10, 2015 1:38 PM
    ” challenge any pats fan to go back through the last 5 yrs and look at every pass brady makes, and tell me what percentage of them were extremely great passes, and how many of them were high percentage passes….”

    lol ok bro. Brady is one of the best ever at reading defenses and exposing match ups. That is how that offense works. You think these are “high percentage passes”….yeah no kidding genius, they’re SUPPOSED to be. He makes that happen by reading defenses, adjusting at the line if need be, and shredding defenses. Oh but man oh man I wish he just missed those reads and tried to shove the ball into double coverage all the time. Right.

  92. FinFan68 says:
    Nov 10, 2015 2:03 PM

    Stats are not supposed to be subjective. When they incorporate subjectivity those stats transition to opinion and that is ESPN’s main premise. They were much better when they showed highlights and let fans figure out who to like or support on their own. The analysts on ESPN and NFLN are ex-player blowhards that don’t really know what they are talking about for the most part. Their opinions change depending on which portion of the segment they are in and the homers/haters are rampant.

    How do they know when it is an overthrow or when a receiver runs the wrong route? Are interceptions discounted on perfect passes that bounce off receivers’ hands? I would much rather see my QB with a 20 point lead than watch him throw a 4th quarter TD for the lead and then lose the game on a last second field goal.

    —-
    Yep.

    This kind of invididual metric analysis works in a faux team sport like baseball – a sport which is really a chain of 1 on 1 matchups happening one after the other completely independent of each other. Pitcher vs hitter. Then hitter vs defense. Then baserunner vs catcher. Then baserunner vs defense. You can do this sort of analysis with a sport like that.

    In football it’s all about the team. The matchups happen all at once and ARE related to each other. Team scores TD when receiver catches throw when QB throws it where it should go when line blocks for QB when QB evades pass rush and so on.

    Therefore there’s just no point coming up with an individual “smart” metric beyond what we already have. The result of doing that: the joke that is QBR.

  93. ESPN is the Donald of sports reporting.

    They have B.S.’d everyone so much…………
    1. They think they are always correct
    2. They are too arrogant to admit mistakes and apologize
    3. They like limelight whether they deserve to be there or NOT

  94. “Since brady is the fifth ranked QB in air yardage, that is kind of a curious statement.”

    The “Brady can’t throw more than 5 yards” myth is one that the Pats haters are desperately clinging to since many of the other ones such as he “can’t throw fully inflated footballs” have been totally and utterly debunked.

    They are right in that he’s thrown a lot of short passes this year, but they Pats use that to open up the seams for 30 yard passes to Gronk and Edelman.

    They also ignore the fact that the Pats started the year with their Oline consisting of 3 rookies, a 2nd year man and a 5th year guy. How do you help rookies get acclimated and be successful on the line ? A very quick release so they don’t have to try and fight off veteran pass rushers for 4-5-6 seconds.

  95. The problem with formulas like this is that it’s practically impossible to isolate the quarterback’s performance from the rest of the players on the field. Their performance depends on each other no matter how you try to measure it. An accurate formula would be more complex than the math it took to get to the moon.

    The best way to assess a quarterback’s performance is to know football and to watch them play over time in a variety of circumstances.

  96. LOL! So some people think that Brady is only good because the system he plays in

    —-

    The funny thing is the so called system doesn’t exist, at least not like you think. It’s a chameleon. The World Champion Patriots can beat you by power running, vertical passing, west coast, 2 TE, whatever they feel is necessary to win and they mix it up depending on the matchup. The common denominator? Tom Brady. He makes this thing go.

    So anyone who talks about “the system” is either a silly Patriot Hater who is really frustrated that their limp wristed skirt wearing puny little wuss team can’t compete with the World Champions – or simply a non fan who doesn’t follow this team very closely.

    🙂

  97. I never bought into their rating…always ignore it. They’re the only ones using it…for a reason!!! Probably a computer glitch caused by an intern.

  98. The knock on Brady for short passes is comical. A QB’s job is to move the sticks, score, manage the game, and win. No one does this better than Brady. You don’t get 9 points for a touchdown when it’s a 50 yard bomb. Additionally, NE doesn’t possess down field receivers. When NE had Moss and Stallworth he threw the deep ball as good as anyone. Give him Dez Bryant and Brandon Marshall and he can all of a sudden throw the deep ball again.

  99. ESPN is on it’s way to total irrelevancy. People are flocking to Fox sports and just last night the ratings were the lowest since 2007 for a Monday night game. The masses have figured out what ESPN really is, an extension of Goodell. By association with that twit and the steadfast refusal to change with the times ESPN is putting itself out of business. My ears bleed at the mere sound of a Berman impersonation of the great Howard Cosell. Tom Jackson? Ditka? The fall guy? I pray espn loses the rights to any NFL games so I don’t have to prostitute myself for 3 hours a week. Like the Colts, Ravens and Jets as a Pats fan not enough bad things can happen to espn.

  100. I go with this set of stats.

    During Brady’s 13 season as the primary starter:

    9 AFC Championship game appearances (69% of his seasons)

    6 Super Bowl appearances (46% of his seasons)

    4 Super Bowl wins (31 % of his seasons)

    is anyone else even close?

  101. Jeez, it really amazes me how you fools can come up with these ridiculous comments. Yeah I’m sure just any ordinary QB can put over 55,000 passing yards playing for the Pats..
    Greatest QB and coach of all time!!! Just a little jealous and butt hurt are ya!? Lol 🙂

  102. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Nov 10, 2015 1:31 PM

    i challenge any pats fan to go back through the last 5 yrs and look at every pass brady makes, and tell me what percentage of them were extremely great passes, and how many of them were high percentage passes

    ——————————————————
    Excellent, excellent point. I totally agree. Wins and losses are for clowns. All I care about is which QB makes more “low percentage” passes.
    Great Buffalo logic right there…

  103. I stopped paying attention to this (idiotic) QBR when it had Dan Orlosky of the 0-16 Lions rated ahead of Super Bowl winning QB Rothlisberger. I figured any rating sys that came up with that should be ignored forever.

  104. Jeez, it really amazes me how you fools can come up with these ridiculous comments. Yeah I’m sure just any ordinary QB can put over 55,000 passing yards playing for the Pats..

    *****

    ‘Hi, I’m Matt Cassel, QB, Dallas Cowboys.’

  105. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Nov 10, 2015 1:31 PM
    i challenge any pats fan to go back through the last 5 yrs and look at every pass brady makes, and tell me what percentage of them were extremely great passes, and how many of them were high percentage passes (meaning very high rate of completion and very low rate of interception- no matter who’s throwing it) which are slants and screen passes. When you come back and say 85% of his passes are high percentage, easy passes that the receiver turns into big plays then tell me how elite he is. The dude has nerves of steel- i give him that 100%, so does eli, i dont think he’s elite, so does tim tebow, i dont think he’s elite either.
    —————–

    Ha, he threw for 466 yards against your team and broke a decades old record. Did you watch that game?

  106. I don’t want to be redundant. There have been over 150 posts detailing the idiocy of the QBR, the shallowness of ESPN’s product, and their biased and manipulative reporting.

    The thing is that the QBR is a perfect metaphor for what ails ESPN. It is flawed statistically, yet the network continues to try to legitimize it even AFTER they knew how badly it worked. Just reading this post, even a casual fan sees just how badly the QBR works as a rating instrument. And they keep on using it anyway.

    Much like Roger Goodell, ESPN’s hubris knows no bounds. It is their creation and thus, must be correct. The facts or truth be damned.

    As one astute post wrote. ESPN is the TMZ of sports. It is all now about marketing and money acquisition. When the choice is to report the bare facts or the unsubstantiated speculation, they will ignore the truth to discriminate the rumor. It is simply more profitable.

    When your biggest revenue source tells you to keep posted a story you know is untrue, you do it. When it tells you to run unsubstantiated rumors as if they were facts, you do it. When they ask you to bias your reporting on a team, you do it. ESPN follows the money. They are the lowest common denominator of sport journalism.

  107. It’s always sad to see an institution hit the tipping point. Stewart Scotts passing exemplified their loss of “internal voice”. ESPN’s sellout to the NFL on the Brady case exemplifies it’s loss of journalistic integrity. Bill Simmon’s firing was an abandonment of true creativity. Finally, the sellout of most all programming to FanDual and Draft Kings simply makes the station impossible to watch. Thank goodness for the internet as an option to stay connected with the sports we all love. I think it might be too late ESPN.

  108. “i challenge any pats fan to go back through the last 5 yrs and look at every pass brady makes, and tell me what percentage of them were extremely great passes, and how many of them were high percentage passes (meaning very high rate of completion and very low rate of interception- no matter who’s throwing it) which are slants and screen passes.”

    I won’t bother, because it’s irrelevant. It’s not a passing contest to see who can throw the ball harder or further. Brady’s the QB, and his job is to run the offense so that it moves down the field and scores points, and no one does it better.

    The idea that YAC is the responsibility of the receivers is a myth. YAC comes when the QB gets the ball at the right time to the right receiver in the right spot in the defense. Some of it comes from great individual efforts from receivers, but most of it comes from getting the ball at a good spot at a good time. No one is better at that than Brady…

  109. Tom smartly plays the field East and West, AND North and South. This strategy is brilliantly designed to wear down and wear out an opponent and leave the opposition totally gassed by the 4th Quarter. With surgical precision and ice water in his veins he is an absolute assassin who will cut you to ribbons over the course of 60 minutes.

    We’ve seen this movie over and over many, many times.

  110. Brady gets a lot of stats when the game is over and most teams would run the clock out. Not the Patriots…..Maybe that’s why players keep getting hurt.

  111. justintuckrule says:
    Nov 10, 2015 12:48 PM
    Best week ever for us Giants’ fans
    ____________________

    Ever?? Apparently you are a relatively new fan. As a Giants fan I recall a lot of much better weeks including but not limited to some great ones that followed events denoted by roman numerals; XXI (1986), XXV (1990), XLII (2007) and XLVI (2011).

  112. Note to all you Brady-hating Bills fans drinking shots of ESPN QBR to kill the pain of the last 15 years of ass-kickings.

    I’m sure you will agree that Jim Kelly was one of the best QBs of his generation (Pats fans *know* how good he was!)

    But the NFL’s Passer rating has him tied for 29th, with the following mediocrities AHEAD of him:

    Chad Pennington
    Matt Schaub
    Jeff Garcia
    Trent Green
    David Garrard

    So, yeah, all that really matters to Kelly, Brady and their fans is whether they won.

  113. ESPN is spot on, why if Ryan Grigson was the GM of the Patriots, he would give the Jets a first round draft choice and Brady for Ryan Fitzpatrick. Griggson would do it in a heartbeat!

  114. Here’s what matters in football. Winning. That’s it. What creates winning? Final score. That means you score more points than your opponent.

    All statistical models for QBs like this are fundamentally flawed, including Passer Rating (which at least we know how to calculate).

    A deep passing attack is considered better from a QBR or passer rating perspective. Less attempts, more yards. That’s key. The problem is, that the best way to outscore an opponent might be to have a short passing attack and keep your own defense off the field so they are fresh and limit the possessions of the opponent. Quick strike deep ball offenses tire out their own defenses in a big way and they risk more interceptions.

    A QB also should have some credit for reading plays and handing off, for which they currently get no credit at all. Why not? Reading the defense and making the right play is a huge role for the QB.

    Also, should they really get more credit for passing the ball into the endzone then running it in? If they passed the ball all the way down the field but then handed off to a guy like Tomlinson to get in the endzone, isn’t that just smart football? Does it really mean the QB couldn’t pass it in?

    Of course all the ratings are heavily tied to the other players on the team. More talented RB, more hand offs. Better OL, more deep passes. Better receivers, better completion percentage.

    These ratings are at best just indicators and they are made up. They have no real correlation to winning.

  115. ESPN adjustments: If your first name is “Tom” then deduct 100 points. Connecticut’s gimp network for NFL DeathStar HQ is just doing its job.

  116. 1. Carson Palmer, ARI 84.8
    2. Andy Dalton, CIN 77.6
    3. Ryan Fitzpatrick, NYJ 76.7
    4. Aaron Rodgers, GB 74.3
    5. Tom Brady, NE 73.9
    6. Tyrod Taylor, Buf 72.6
    7. Drew Brees, NO 71.2
    8. Eli Manning, NYG 70.1
    9. Brian Hoyer, HOU 69.4
    10. Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 68.4

    FEAR THE BEARD BUFFALO!

  117. There are some seriously stupid people on this thread.

    Fine – If Patriots will trade you Brady for Fitzpatrick straight up. Who does not want that trade?

    Morons.

  118. People who don’t understand the game think that a qb is good because of the difficulty of the throw he makes. The great QB’s are not great because they can fit the ball into tight windows, they are great because they are the smartest football players in the world and can read defenses and pick out matchups. That is why he is considered one of the best all time. He sees things that guys who are bigger, faster, and stronger don’t see. Look at the quotes of a defense when they play him and they are befuddled as to how he reads them like a book. So reading that Julian Edelman is matched up with a linebacker and throwing him a 3 yard pass seems a lot better to me than trying to throw a 50 yard pass to a double covered receiver…..but that is just me.

  119. jchipwood says:
    Nov 10, 2015 3:34 PM

    Brady gets a lot of stats when the game is over and most teams would run the clock out. Not the Patriots…..Maybe that’s why players keep getting hurt.

    —————–

    The meanie Patriots run up the score and are getting their karma? That argument is terrible. Any team that is down by 2 scores with possession and 1 min or so left can win or tie the game. It happens nearly every Sunday. The Patriots almost had the Steelers, Bills and Indy come back and tie the games this year. Running 3 running plays for 2 yards and punting can get any team back in it even when you are 3 scores up.

    Gotta keep the pedal down until the game is definitely won.

    Even when the game is out of hand, only 53 players can dress on game day. some of them have to play and they can’t play half speed. It’s just part of the game.

    I do wish Brady would come out earlier sometimes, but Belichick’s theory is that football players play football on game day. That’s what they do. Can’t argue that.

  120. So convoluted. I’d like to see “Fitz” throw four (4) TDs versus Brees/Saints like m’boy Marcus (Mariota) did last Sunday. Chile, pleeze lol

  121. jetsclaps says:
    Nov 10, 2015 12:42 PM
    All of Brady’s pass attempts are less than 3 yards and he just has good receivers when it comes to picking up YAC.
    ——————————————————————–

    Brady actually leads the league in completions over 20 yards. But don’t let that deter anyone’s thinking.

  122. jetsclaps says:
    Nov 10, 2015 12:42 PM

    All of Brady’s pass attempts are less than 3 yards and he just has good receivers when it comes to picking up YAC.

    Not a knock against Brady, just an observation.

    ————-

    All of Brady’s pass attempts are less than 3 yards? No.

  123. justintuckrule says:
    Nov 10, 2015 12:48 PM

    Best week ever for us Giants’ fans. We can talk smack with impunity. We’re the only team in the NFL that absolutely owns NE. If we get killed, well…it was supposed to happen. Can’t wait for this game.

    ———–

    Glad the game is in NY. At home the Patriots could come out flat, but not on the road in NY. Brady will be ready go. Eli can choke it at home from time to time too. Looking forward to it.

  124. In the “QB Most Likely To Go Above & Beyond The Rule Book Again and Again, and Again…” category, Brady tops the list.

    In the “Prettiest Skirt” category, Brady tops the list.

    In the “Biggest Fraud” category, Brady tops the list.

  125. Seems about right; they’re both game managers. If Fitzpatrick had been coached by Belichick his entire career, everybody would be talking about him and Brady would have had several years as a backup and then retired.

  126. The YAC is intriguing. So many times I see a QB make a completion, but if he would have thrown a better pass the WR could have had way more YAC. If the QBR ignores this then they are missing a huge QB effectiveness factor.

  127. To all these idiots screaming “it’s the system” when it comes to Brady:
    If it’s the system and any QB can run it, why isn’t every team in the league running the same system? They are consistently one of if not the top offense in the league. If it’s all the system every team in the league should be copying them and their QBs should be putting up the same numbers. You people are either incredibly lacking in football knowledge or just blinded by hate or jealously.

  128. In the “Biggest Fraud” category, Brady tops the list.
    —-
    Nah that would be your Steelers 🙂 Winners of precisely zero Super Bowl titles untainted by cheating or the refs help.

  129. justintuckrule says:
    Nov 10, 2015 2:09 PM

    By the way…if you think “backing in” equates to making the playoffs with an unimpressive regular season record, well…we all can’t benefit from being gifted 6 wins before the season even starts. We’re 8-1 vs. your division over the last 2+ cycles.
    ——————————-

    That’s what happens when the NFL gifts their favored team, the Giants, with a pillow-soft schedule every season.

  130. justintuckrule says:
    Nov 10, 2015 12:48 PM

    Best week ever for us Giants’ fans. We can talk smack with impunity. We’re the only team in the NFL that absolutely owns NE. If we get killed, well…it was supposed to happen. Can’t wait for this game.
    —–

    Sounds like someone needs to flip their calendar from 2011 to 2015 going on 2016.

    🙂

  131. ESPN’s QBR is about as meaningful as The Weather Channel’s arbitrarily-named snowstorms. I gave up on both networks years ago.

  132. 6superbowls says:
    Nov 10, 2015 4:32 PM

    In the “Prettiest Skirt” category, Brady tops the list.
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    That you have imagined NFL quarterbacks wearing pretty skirts, and then picked a winner, is one of the creepiest things I have ever read.

    Get some help.

  133. All of Brady’s pass attempts are less than 3 yards and he just has good receivers when it comes to picking up YAC.

    Not a knock against Brady, just an observation.
    ——

    I don’t think all of Brady’s pass attempts are less than three yards but I do know that all 4 of his rings are so SHINY! WOW!

    Do you think he polishes then every day? I do. It is so important to give those 4 rings the proper care and respect to be worthy of being worn by the greatest QB in the history of the sport.

    🙂

  134. ha, ha, ha. It’s more probable than not that 11/12 of ESPN’s QBR ratings are dead wrong.

    ESPN has become an embarrassment. Feel sorry for the few good persons who still work there.

  135. We should not entertain any more Brady system QB comments. Everyone knows that isn’t true and those writing it are just trying to get under Patriots fans skin at this point. If someone makes a sensible argument it’s fun to respond back and debate, but saying Brady is a system QB or a game manager is like arguing the world is flat. It’s simply wrong and if someone makes that argument there’s no point in wasting your breath on it.

  136. Strange that a 20/27, 275 yard, 2 TD’s, 0 Int’s, and another TD rushing would only generate a QBR rating of 24.

    Makes one wonder if perhaps the ESPN employee responsible for calculating those things was simply a Brady hater and figured out how to manipulate the numbers against him.

    I prefer the traditional QB rating. Its not perfect, but in general when a QB plays well his rating is good. When he doesn’t, it isn’t.

  137. STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    Nov 10, 2015 5:18 PM
    All of Brady’s pass attempts are less than 3 yards and he just has good receivers when it comes to picking up YAC.

    Not a knock against Brady, just an observation.
    *******************************************************

    40% of Aaron Rodgers passes are under 5 yards. I don’t see anyone harping on him about that. 12 Division Chamionships, 9 Conference Championships, 4 NFL Championships, and a 76% winning percentage over 13 seasons will earn you the kind of hate felt for Brady.

    I view a Quarterback as the guy who runs the game for your team, which includes getting the most and the best out of everyone else on his team, and he needs to run it better than the other guy. It’s never been about who is the guy that completes the most passes of 20+ yards. I can’t think of a guy that runs his team better than Brady. I just can’t.

  138. I have my own system for ranking QBs. I just watch them play and put them in order of how well I like the way the play. In my system, Tom Brady ranks ahead of Ryan Fitzpatrick.

  139. bullcharger says:
    Nov 10, 2015 6:05 PM
    We should not entertain any more Brady system QB comments. Everyone knows that isn’t true and those writing it are just trying to get under Patriots fans skin at this point. If someone makes a sensible argument it’s fun to respond back and debate, but saying Brady is a system QB or a game manager is like arguing the world is flat. It’s simply wrong and if someone makes that argument there’s no point in wasting your breath on it.

    —-
    When GOAT QB Tom Brady wins his 5th ring…that will be the last time any QB in this league wins 5.

    Book it.

  140. “There are lots of reasons to ignore QBR…and I will just keep ignoring it.”
    — Mike Florio

    🙂

  141. justintuckrule says:
    Nov 10, 2015 2:09 PM

    By the way…if you think “backing in” equates to making the playoffs with an unimpressive regular season record, well…we all can’t benefit from being gifted 6 wins before the season even starts. We’re 8-1 vs. your division over the last 2+ cycles.

    ***************************************************

    Over the last 5 seasons, the NFC East has been perhaps the toughest division, but the AFC East is surprisingly, the third toughest. If you go back farther, like 15 years, the AFC East actually comes out with the highest winning percentage. The idea that the AFC East is the weakest division is largely a product of the Patriots dominance.

  142. For all of the Trolls on here saying Brady isn’t that good it just shows how ignorant you are. If you don’t like him that is one thing because you root for another team that’s understandable but let’s not be ridiculous. He is the greatest qb ever like it or not.

  143. jetsclaps says:
    Nov 10, 2015 12:42 PM
    All of Brady’s pass attempts are less than 3 yards and he just has good receivers when it comes to picking up YAC.

    Not a knock against Brady, just an observation.

    Bet you wish you had him.

  144. The deep pass is overrated. Just like the running back position in today’s NFL. I watch with amazement every week as some NFL team plays the Patriots with some half-baked game plan and all the Pats do is allow them to set themselves on fire with it. Then they step on their neck. It just about literally never fails, as evidenced by the equally amazing fact that the Patriots haven’t lost in a calendar year–one of many long winning streaks over the years.

    Wins are the only stat that matters, and the Patriots do this better than anyone ever with Brady at the helm. Anyone who really watches Brady play week in and week out wouldn’t make moronic statements about him being average, or stupidly mention which round he was chosen in, which has no bearing on anything at all. Truly asinine comments by fans who are sick of seeing him dominate the league every year.

  145. justintuckrule says:
    Nov 10, 2015 1:46 PM

    Do we suck? Eh… Our defense does, I’ll give you that. But our offense can keep us in every game. We lost by 3 giving up 52. Thus, even if Brady has a historic day, there’s no reason this game still can’t be decided on the final drive.
    ————————————————————-
    I expect a close game and would not be surprised at all to see the Giants win.

    Watching the Coughlin led Giants they seem like a team easily bored and distracted against lesser competition, but able to rise up and play tough against the league’s best.

  146. The cold weather is coming ladies and gentlemen.

    I can’t wait for those PSI levels to come out.

    As I’ve typed many times, I was a Patriot hater…A Friend, and Patriot fan asked me to read the Wells Report, AEI, etc…Even offered me a C note to read it…I read all of the rebuttals, etc…I didn’t take my friends C note!

    That’s why I believe we will never see PSI from cold climates.

  147. @surfbandits got to agree with your first and last comments, but especially the last NFL will never release those figures because it will destroy their case agains Brady.

  148. Deep pass overrated? Earth to Randy Moss….Didn’t like being 24 point favorites in 2007? Scoring in 5 plays doesn’t give the D much of a rest I guess. To me Brady is totally synched up with Josh McD. He’s very accurate under 20 yards and BB will have him throw on 90% of plays since he won’t turn it over. The short passing game drives defenses bananas. 11 yards in 3 plays with some 5’10” guy squirming to the chains and you can’t hit him. Stopping the Pats for 4 quarters takes supreme mental toughness from a D. One miscommunication and off goes Gronk for 30. Pick plays, no huddle this and that. Get frustrated and its over. As a supporter of NYJ Fitz aint Brady. ESPN needs to tweek it. He was reckless v. Miami and Cleveland. Does make surprisingly good throws many times but he has had a lot of tipped balls that could have been picked and were not this year. Not an aesthetic chucker but has been getting it done. Marshall did drop that TD throw to make it 8 points early 4th.

  149. dansardo says:
    Nov 10, 2015 1:04 PM

    “Brady is the most overrated athlete in sports history. Plug in any mediocre qb in NE & he’ll magically win 11 games like matt cassel in 2008.”

    Most people would disagree with overrated but your are right that its not only brady. This run of success has been going on since the krafts bought the pats in 1994 and during that time the first time the pats were in the SB was when brady was in high school. In fact, the pats have more playoff appearances and wins, division titles, AFC championships and SB appearances between 1995 and the day brady became a starter than the jets have had in the last 46 years. Your right, its not just brady, and its never going to end.

    ———–
    More wins in the BLEDSOE era. Faaaaantastic. Good job by you!

  150. Brady IS the Patriots ‘system’. He reads defenses, changes plays at the line, changes protections, even moves specific receivers into specific new routes. They can go from run-heavy between the tackles, to five-wide spread with the same personnel in hurry-up, because Brady is in command. He’s put in countless hours with his receivers so they see defenses the same way and he can make anticipation throws on their option routes.

    You can’t plug another quarterback into the Patriots’ system.

  151. Brady sucks ! Any quarterback could succeed in that system. (example: Cassell) Brady throws 1 to 5 yard passes. It`s the yards after catch that make him look good. Sorry pats fans these are the facts. You can all put thumbs down, but it won`t change the fact that he`s just an average qb at best with any other team.

  152. You can’t plug another quarterback into the Patriots’ system.

    Sure you can, if you want to draft higher. 🙂

  153. It is BSPN and their own made up stat. That network has no credibility.So in their eyes Fiztpatrick is better than Brady. To most others no he isn’t.

  154. What is Brady’s QBR with a legally inflated ball, versus a deflated ball?

    Net: Brady wins because he can hit hall of fame receivers that get open 3 yards over the middle.

  155. Forgot to ask— what HOF receivers are you referring to? Other than Gronk, there aren’t any.

    And of course, the “3 yard pass…” routine is just getting old.

  156. Tee hee 🙂 Look at Patriot Hater still thinking their puny little team belongs on the field with US.

    AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  157. justintuckrule says: “The Patriots are rarely losing late in the fourth quarter,
    so Brady rarely gets an opportunity to prove he can perform in the clutch.”
    —————————————————————–
    Really? Is that what happen when they play the now deceased, Ravens last year and to the “best defense of the NFL” the Seachickens in the superbowl?
    Brady is the only QB that has comeback from a 15 points or more defecit ,
    TWICE IN THE SAME GAME IN THE PLAYOFFS, is that a real stat or did I made that up? Believed if you want to …
    jetsclaps says:

    “All of Brady’s pass attempts are less than 3 yards” …
    —————————————————————–

    Interesting, according to a REAL SPORT SOURCE(NESN)
    “The Patriots quarterback has completed 45 percent of his passes that travel over 20 yards or more….for 282 yards with no interceptions on deep passes, not including last week game…

  158. Tom who? Oh yeah, Mr. Deflator! Ftom the “Cheater-iots”. And his coach, Mr.” Break the rules till we get caught, then plead ignorance ” AKA “The Hipocrit “……who cares?

  159. The egomaniacal Suits at ESPN have completely ruined, a once, great network. With the exception of Monday Nite Football, the network is unwatchable. With the likes of guys like Motenson (Inflategate Fantasy) as the football guru and Stephen A. Smith on all subject( ask him); ESPN has gone into the toilet.

  160. These stats that ESPN makes up are ridiculous. The worst is a teams chances to win a game in percentages which is nothing more than a made up percentage, based on nothing in particular but a score and time remaining in the game.

  161. Confession – I get the ultrasuperminimum dish package ($20.34) every month and i don’t get espn, so this whole silly ‘controversy’ is a nonstarter from word one.

    Lucky me

  162. Are ESPN ratings falling faster than the tripe they print? Seriously ESPN, get a life. Your click bait special does you no favors…still waiting for you to fire Mort.

  163. Come on Espn is full of themselves. Shady Brady has everyone on his side including a judge, give the guy a break. If it takes paying some ball boys to leak out some air well heck he can zip that three yard pass better .

  164. laffers says:
    Nov 13, 2015 3:12 AM

    The egomaniacal Suits at ESPN have completely ruined, a once, great network. With the exception of Monday Nite Football, the network is unwatchable. With the likes of guys like Motenson (Inflategate Fantasy) as the football guru and Stephen A. Smith on all subject( ask him); ESPN has gone into the toilet.
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    They’ve ruined Monday Night Football as well. It’s been a disaster ever since they had Tony “Cowardly Lion” Kornheiser on there.

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