New York A.G. tells DraftKings and FanDuel to stop doing business there

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[Editor’s note: FanDuel is an advertiser of PFT and PFT Live on NBC Sports Radio. Also, NBC Sports has an equity stake in FanDuel.]

The embattled daily fantasy industry has absorbed what could be its most crippling blow yet.

Via the New York Times, New York attorney general Eric T. Schneiderman has informed DraftKings and FanDuel to cease and desist doing business in the state.

“It is clear that DraftKings and FanDuel are the leaders of a massive, multibillion-dollar scheme intended to evade the law and fleece sports fans across the country,” Schneiderman said. “Today we have sent a clear message: not in New York, and not on my watch.”

“We’re disappointed he hasn’t taken the time to meet with us or ask any questions about our business model before his opinion,” a spokesperson for DraftKings, which said it has 500,000 users in New York, told the Times.

“Fantasy sports is a game of skill and legal under New York state law,” FanDuel said in a statement issued to the Times. “This is a politician telling hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers they are not allowed to play a game they love and share with friends, family, co-workers and players across the country.”

The companies can challenge Schneiderman’s decision in court.

According to the Times, Schneiderman concluded that DraftKings and FanDuel “seriously mislead New York citizens about their prospects of winning,” and that “the top one percent of DraftKings winners receive the vast majority of the winnings.”

The development comes at a time when both New Jersey and Pennsylvania are considering regulations for the daily fantasy industry in their states. The Tampa Tribune recently took a look at the legal challenges facing the industry in Florida, where a federal grand jury has been investigating whether daily fantasy violates Florida law and, in turn, federal law. One law professor in Florida has suggested that resident who play daily fantasy games shouldn’t leave money in their accounts, due to the possibility that the accounts eventually will be frozen.

The concept of daily fantasy for money arises from a 2006 federal law that outlawed Internet gambling, but that carved out an exception for fantasy sports, based on the notion that it’s a game of skill not chance. However, the various states can reach their own conclusions regarding whether DFS games are legal.

Before the challenges to the industry emerged — starting with a scandal regarding the perception that an employee of DraftKings was using inside information to win large amounts of money in FanDuel contests — the companies already were avoiding a small handful of states. Since then, Nevada has instructed DraftKings and FanDuel to stop offering games there unless and until the companies are properly certified as gambling operations.

The attacks on the industry have intensified as it has grown at a rapid rate, with a proliferation of advertisements and billion-dollar valuations for the leading DFS companies. Sports leagues (but not the NFL) and sports owners (including NFL owners) have made significant investments in DraftKings and/or FanDuel, along with other large, established companies.

168 responses to “New York A.G. tells DraftKings and FanDuel to stop doing business there

  1. if you aren’t scoring 175+ points per week you aint wining anyway … funny how there is always that person who plays that line up…..

  2. I don’t have a problem with legalized gambling, but there needs to be equal footing and regulation. These companies were fraudulently claiming to not be gambling sites. As such they were unregulated and employees of the companies used inside information to fleece customers. I have no sympathy for them.
    We should be able to gamble legally, but companies that prey on their customers and steal from them in weighted games need to get shut down.

  3. Edit

    if you aren’t scoring 175+ points per week you aint wining anyway … funny how there is always that person who plays that line up that scores 175+ points per week

  4. Why don’t the government stop trying to control the citizens. They act as if they own us. The government is suppose to be the voice of the people. Not the voice controlling the people.. We need to start voting these losers out of office.. Their laws and decisions are only to protect and are in the best interest of the Super Rich.. If the citizens want to use draft kings of fan duel it’s our right… More laws of control until we’re a police state.. Oh I forgot we pretty much already are

  5. I love how the major sports leagues were against wagering/gambling until they became “business partners”.

    Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

  6. The winners of these leagues are USUALLY professionals that invest and input HUNDREDS of rosters. Sure, there are going to be people in here saying “You’re just not a great player.” You’re entitled to your opinion, but in 3 of the NFL.com proze leagues for a jersey, a football and a silly ring, I’m a combined 22-5 between the three leagues, with one of them being undefeated. I tried DFS and yes I did win like $30 on a $5 investment, but when I seen the SAME PLAYER won the top 4 first place prizes totalling well over $2,200 I had enough and withdrew my funds.

  7. The correlation between Poker and DFS is interesting. The Poker lobby has been unable to get the law changed, but this battle may change with the amount of legitimate backers DFS has. Wouldn’t be surprised to see changes to the law in the next couple years.

  8. And they also make it very hard to find out how much you are losing. You literally have to download your transactions (limited date range) into a spreadsheet and total it to see it.

  9. This is Gambling pure and simple. They are hiding behind the claim of “it’s a game of skill”… bs. It’s a game of chance with money involved and that’s called Gambling. Regulate them the same way as any Gambling operation. Most poor suckers just lose most or all of their money just like in casinos. The house always wins in the end, that’s why the owners are so rich.

  10. most of the teams you play against are house generated teams. They are stealing money from people and the odds of winning are close to nil, specially in the bigger money leagues

  11. Mike, you’re a Madden/MUT player. If DK/FD are a game of chance then the next stop is the video game industry. EA Sports Ult Team Modes are the equiv of walking down to your local deli and buying a scratch off. The one difference? The odds are disclosed.

    Before people laugh. Ultimate Team Modes bring in hundreds of millions of dollars and have auction houses that EA manipulates. It’s also an industry that puts out products to the consumer that it knows is faulty without any disclosure on the box.

    If you walked purchased a GE Refrig and it didn’t make ice cubes because of a software flaw and GE knowingly put that product on the market without disclosure to the consumer it would be considered fraud.

  12. While I think gambling should be permitted, and reasonably regulated … if you don’t regulate yourself and are in everyone’s face, this is what you get.

  13. The government is suppose to be the voice of the people. Not the voice controlling the people..
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    The Liberal way and it’s New York seriously California, Vermont etc will be next.

  14. “Sports leagues (but not the NFL) and sports owners (including NFL owners) have made significant investments in DraftKings and/or FanDuel, along with other large, established companies.”

    NFL owners never miss a chance to make money off of NFL players and fans.

    The NFL owners are already in a business with virtually no risk to their investment due to its monopoly. At a time when the commissioner is trying to manipulate the competitive advantage of games by suspending players on trumped up charges we find out that owners have blind business interests in “games of skill” with close to a 1% chance of winning, which by definition is gambling. Not surprising they are in bed with the media that covers them. What a bunch of hypocrites.

  15. How does a News Organization hold an equity stake in a Gambling Organization?

    I understand i.e. ‘City Times, a Hearst Publication’, but don’t quite get the Equity investment. Doesn’t that cross some sort of journalistic boundary?

  16. This off season, watch for both companies to set up their servers in other countries, then nothing will happen to them, just like many of the online casino’s and poker sites!

    Pretty stupid of the states to drive off thriving tax paying businesses…..

  17. Im sorry but on draft kings you can bet $3, finish in the top 99.9% of a group of 10,000 people, and you end getting a whole wopping $10. Because if you arent in the top ten, you dont make any real money worth your time. I do think there is something to his statements about users being fleeced.

  18. jsm08 says:
    Nov 10, 2015 7:34 PM
    What about Yahoo? They’re into daily fantasy games now too. No one seems to care about them.
    ****

    I care about them. Every time the screen jumps and I ‘accidentally’ click on the stupid page.

  19. I love how the government wants to get involved in every aspect of our lives. Whats even better is the main complaint are the commercials what a joke. You dont like it dont do it simple as that. I knew what I was getting into when I joined up. Havent won millions but I have won way more than I have deposited.

  20. And don’t think for a minute legitimate casinos and gambling operations aren’t getting in the ears of politicicians they may be “friendly” with to protect their businesses. These fantasy sites take a piece of the huge gambling revenue pie. People who sit at home and gamble online spend less time and money in casinos etc. Less time giving them the money they used to give them. That’s exactly why online casinos are illegal in the US and Americans access Off-Shore online gaming sites. As a matter of fact most Off-Shore gaming sites have stopped accepting new US customers. You have to have an active grandfathered online casino account (opened before the US ban) to continue using it in the US.

  21. Yeah and the Government at the federal state and local levels aren’t fleecing the tax payers either in this country……Note to all levels of Government, GET OUT OF OUR LIVES!!!!!!!!

  22. This is as much of a game of skill as playing the ponies. Poker is more of a game of skill.

    DFS is a scandal on the level of the Black Sox waiting to happen.

    I am fine with gambling, but we can’t favor one form over another.

  23. Funny how most of the states where the attorney generals are questioning the legality of daily fantasy football. Are also the states where the state lottery commissions are looking at setting up state sponsored daily fantasy leagues.
    hmmmm.. coincidence?

  24. irongoats says:
    Nov 10, 2015 7:31 PM
    The government is suppose to be the voice of the people. Not the voice controlling the people..
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    The Liberal way and it’s New York seriously California, Vermont etc will be next.

    ___________________

    Conservatives are all about freedom except when it comes to a woman’s body, gays, minorities and people who don’t believe in the right magic sky daddy. BTW, NY and Cali help fund worthless flyover red states.

  25. Lets ban prescription pills then. Their commercials are on all the time. How about beer? Dumbest commercials ever. Ban em. Nfl pro shop commercials run every cycle. Lets ban that too. Heck, why dont we ban every product whose commercial we dont like. America!

  26. irongoats says:
    Nov 10, 2015 7:31 PM

    The Liberal way and it’s New York seriously California, Vermont etc will be next.

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    You realize that the federal Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 (UIGEA) that the New York AG is using as basis for the cease and desist was signed into law by President George W. Bush and drafted by a then Republican House of Representatives?

    I’m going to assume you didn’t expect that.

  27. darrkkomens says:
    Nov 10, 2015 7:19 PM

    Why don’t the government stop trying to control the citizens. They act as if they own us. The government is suppose to be the voice of the people. Not the voice controlling the people.. We need to start voting these losers out of office.. Their laws and decisions are only to protect and are in the best interest of the Super Rich.. If the citizens want to use draft kings of fan duel it’s our right… More laws of control until we’re a police state.. Oh I forgot we pretty much already are
    ************************

    Thank the republicans in congress for stupidity such as this!

  28. By the way, other “librul” states that ban Daily Fantasy Sports:

    -Arizona
    -Montana
    -Iowa
    -Louisiana
    -Alaska

  29. Look, these sites will be allowed back in New York as soon as they start cutting the NY state government in on the action.

    Trust me, these sites will start paying taxes to New York for the privilege of doing business there, and the state government will gladly accept the money. You heard it hear first.

  30. If this is not gambling then I guess betting on horse racing is not gambling. I’m fine with morons losing their money. Just come out and say it’s gambling and for the love of all things just stop with the ads every time I turn on the tv or radio!

  31. this is gambling and it should be banned…

    I love how these sites have “regular” people winning millions…very rare to win big or win at all for that matter.

    I’m a great fantasy player in my leagues and I find these impossible to win unless you’re very very very lucky.

    Fan Duel and Draft Kings are Raking in the cash and benefitting from SICK people who refuse to stop gambling.

  32. Actually if they really want to stop people from gambling that fleeces the common man, they need to make it illegal to invest in the stock market.

    For the amount the “little man” looses on fantasy sites is a drop in the bucket to what the states fleece from the down trodden with the state lotteries.

    Can these career political hacks please just leave people alone to have some innocent entertainment.

  33. darrkkomens says:
    Nov 10, 2015 7:19 PM

    Their laws and decisions are only to protect and are in the best interest of the Super Rich.. If the citizens want to use draft kings of fan duel it’s our right…
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    Guess what. By playing Draft Kings and Fan Duel you are doing exactly what’s best for the Super Rich who used their vast amounts of money to sway the Government back in 2006 to make this exploit viable…

  34. Any real journalist would be asking every NFL owner if they have an interest in one of these companies. Don’t hold your breathe. I am still waiting for a journalist to ask Goodell (1) who at the Colts leaked the deflategate story to Bob Kravitz, (2) who at the NFL leaked the psi story to Chris Mortensen, and, (3) who at the NFL leaked the bs story to Kelly Naqi that was aired on Inside The Lines.

  35. Excellent response pftfan, I can’t stand idiotic Republicans. Always blaming the educated Democrats who truly represent the people of United States of America.

    pftfan | Nov 10, 2015, 7:52 PM EST
    irongoats says:
    Nov 10, 2015 7:31 PM

    The Liberal way and it’s New York seriously California, Vermont etc will be next.

    —————————–

    You realize that the federal Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 (UIGEA) that the New York AG is using as basis for the cease and desist was signed into law by President George W. Bush and drafted by a then Republican House of Representatives?

    I’m going to assume you didn’t expect that.

  36. I play poker. I also play fantasy football. I do not play either for money online. There is absolutely no comparison between the two other than you can wager money on both, and both can turn into glorified Ponzi schemes on the internet if not regulated correctly.

    Poker has a definite level of skill involved in addition to luck, and you can get better at it with practice and study. Fantasy football, especially these weekly contests, involves surfing through some statistics, making educated guesses, and crossing your fingers that your players don’t get hurt. Playing fantasy football requires about as much “skill” as going to the track and betting on the horses: to me, it’s not a skill if you aren’t actively participating in what is occurring.

    I don’t like that playing poker for money is currently outlawed in the U.S., but I get why it is: the companies involved refused to regulate themselves, cheated people and misrepresented their product.

    For DraftKings and FanDuel to claim that their games are skill, not chance, and to even suggest that they should not be regulated, is not only laughable, it’s borderline absurd.

  37. People blaming the government have no clue what’s really going on behind doors at these places. IT IS GAMBLING! Exactly the same as playing Keno, just with players, not balls. Enter in 100 cards based on probability and you win. Work for one of these companies and probability is laid out in front of you. If you have the money to play multiple cards, you do, and win. If you don’t you lose. If this were a game of chance your players would be randomly assigned to you.
    I’m not against it but you wouldn’t play Blackjack if the dealer could pick his cards while your cards were random, would you? Regulation brings a legitimacy to the business, something it doesn’t have right now. Anyone acting like this isn’t gambling has either never gambled before or is a moron. Again, not against it, but let’s just call it what it is.

  38. Every State has a lottery and there so concerned about fantasy football gambling . A bunch of hypocrites who want nothing more than their unfair share.
    ~
    They say by the actual time you cash your paycheck when the bank gives you the money that money has been taxed an average of 23 times not to mention how much cocaine residue is on that money.
    ~
    Point being no matter how many times they tax a person they will never ever fix the economy so why not make it difficult on those who enjoy doing something.

  39. Washington doesn’t allow playing. Wanted to check this stuff out but living in this state means “if Washington State doesn’t get a big piece of the pie then the citizens don’t get to play”.

  40. ” Sports leagues (but not the NFL) and sports owners (including NFL owners) have made significant investments in DraftKings and/or FanDuel, …”
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    There are NFL owners who are directly involved with their team’s roster and are in affect de facto head coaches (here’s lookin’ at you Jerrah Jones) and for them to invest in these sites has to be a clear conflict of interest and abuse of inside information. How can the NFL allow this?????????????

  41. This site – and NBC – has been critical of the Cowboys employing Greg Hardy, even though his record has been expunged of any wrongdoing. But both NBC and PFT seem to be blind to the hypocrisy of being sponsored by DFS operations that are deemed illegal in a growing number of states. I guess the reasoning is that as long as it is legal ‘somewhere’, we will take their money and promote their fleecing of customers. Someone please convince all those losers that they lost their money because their ‘skill ‘ level is lower than the TV guy who invested $39 and won over $2M. Yeah, right.

  42. So there it is. Politicians taking away more of its citizens rights.
    I deposited $25 dollars this year on FanDuel, and have won about $50. I have spent over $300 dollars this year playing the New York lottery, and have won about $20. So who are the real crooks?
    Speaking on daily fantasy football, it is a game of skill and chance. Know enough about football and you can pick a good matchup, then you can hope for some sleeper picks to have a breakout game.
    In the end, it’s about picking players who you think will perform on game day, then hoping they actually perform.
    But the politicians already know all this. Eventually, it will all be legal again when each state figures out how to get their greedy hands in daily fantasy pocket books.

  43. it will never go away completely…there is a reason we are being bombarded with these commercials…DFS has A LOT of money to spend on advertising and the NFL will find millions of ways for them to funnel it back into the NFL’s bank accounts…

  44. Of you’re not using computer algorithms and submitting 20 plus teams in a given league, then you are throwing your money away.

    You might get lucky and come third, but the other nine “players” in the top ten are all the same guy.

    One of the DF insiders admitted to such.

    They prey on the average Joe throwing them 20 bucks a week for a “game” they have no hope of winning.

  45. Losing 10% of New York State’s 20 million population is like losing 100% of Nevada’s 2 million population.

  46. “It is clear that DraftKings and FanDuel are the leaders of a massive, multibillion-dollar scheme intended to evade the law and fleece sports fans across the country,” Schneiderman said.

    Something about this coming from a New York politician is hilarious.

  47. Conservatives are all about freedom except when it comes to a woman’s body, gays, minorities and people who don’t believe in the right magic sky daddy. BTW, NY and Cali help fund worthless flyover red states.
    ********

    No, the GOP stands for rights for all, not just those who are politically profitable (see- Democrats who magically became Pro-Gay Marriage over the past decade for political expedience). The Left thinks you’re free to believe in whatever you want, as long as it’s what they want you to believe in.

    And your last factoid is bunk. Try eating without those wretched flyover states. Starbucks has to get the organic soy for your latte somewhere.

    Sheep for the slaughter. But nice try.

  48. Yearly leagues definitely have an element of skill, the daily/weekly leagues, are mostly luck with a negligible amount of skill. And if it’s legal because it’s a game of skill, how is online poker not legal nationally? Oh, I know, our corrupt politicians made that determination.

  49. But it’s quite alright for states to swindle citizens out of billions each year with their lottery systems, which only return 50% of the take in.

    I’d like to see DK & FD team up and take THAT to court.

  50. Good, glad the NY AG is putting a stop to it and looking into it….some strange going on with them and NFL relationship, surprising how close they are considering it is gambling……I think this will blow the lid off of why Goodell is so incompetent but loved by the owners….there is a scandal that will be the NFL undoing imo….you can’t watch the pre game shows without the host giving quality time talking about these sites, usually they talk about fantasy football but now they only mention these sites by name and the advertising budget is enormous, I think someones greed is about to get them in trouble…..

  51. You know what’s gambling? Lotteries. No skill in that, returns only 50% of the take in. I don’t care what they use the other 50% for, end that crap so I don’t have to watch people with no money worth mentioning stand in line at 7-Eleven to give away what little they do have.

  52. dave20109 says:
    Nov 10, 2015 7:56 PM

    It’s about time. If poker is illegal, then this is illegal.
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    Keno is legal, Mega millions is legal, The daily number is legal, scratch tickets are legal, actually their are far too many “state sponsored “gambling to list.

    No this shouldn’t be illegal neither should poker be illegal.

  53. First of all to the clown above that said if you finish in the top 99.9% you win $10 for $3 contest, you are factually incorrect. I finished last nights weekly (DraftKings) contest 5548 out of 479,166 so thats in the top 98.87% and won $15 with 221.26 points. Stop spreading your ignorance when you dont know what you are talking about.

    Its a game that combines skill and luck. Its not all luck as some in this forum claim.

    My lineup was:
    Roethlisberger
    DeAngelo Williams
    Davonte Freeman
    Antonio Brown
    Crabtree
    Martavius Bryant
    Ivory
    Heath Miller
    Eagles Defense

    I want all attorney generals that ban this to release facts of the contests being rigged or computer generated teams designed by the sites so that these 2 sites keep almost all of the money. If you dont have evidence then shut up and worry about real issues that you clowns can never seem to fix. All these attorney generals are glorified scam artists looking for handouts and bribes for their backing. If you want to look for real corruption all you have to do is arrest all the politicians.

  54. nyyjetsknicks says:
    Nov 10, 2015 7:49 PM

    Conservatives are all about freedom except when it comes to a woman’s body, gays, minorities and people who don’t believe in the right magic sky daddy. BTW, NY and Cali help fund worthless flyover red states.
    —————————

    And those “worthless” flyover states help feed NY and CA and everyone else.

  55. “Sell, Mortimer, SELL, SELL, SELL!!!!”

    Nice reference!! Duke & Duke! Where in the hell is Beeks?

    Seriously though, we, as a society need to make a choice between new business models that the internet enables (gambling, uber, netflix, amazon etc.) or protecting established business models instead. Do we want innovation or do we want to maintain the status-quo? There are many court battles ahead that will determine the future of many of these new business models but more disruptive changes are coming.

  56. The ignorance in these comments is astounding. Sounds like a bunch of people tried DFS, were not able to immediately succeed, and therefore decided it was a scam. It is NOT a scam, although admittedly their absolutely horrendous and annoyingly persistent advertising may have you thinking the oppposite.

    I’m not a pro and I don’t enter thousands of dollar every week, but I have profited with solid research and predictive analysis. I do not randomly pick players as though they are lottery numbers, I look at matchups and history to determine the best percentage plays.

    If it needs to be regulated, fine. Those calling for it to be illegal/banned because *GASP IT IS GAMBLING* need to really reconsider their viewpoint – do you really want your government telling you what you can and cannot do with your own money? Lotteries with 50% or greater rake by the government are ok with you but I shouldn’t be allowed to plunk down 5 bucks on a DraftKings contest if I want? I’m a consenting adult and can make my own big-boy choices.

    Stop moralizing and attempting to impose your idea of right and wrong on me when I’m not infringing upon the rights of anyone else by playing these games.

  57. I didn’t seem to have a problem making money almost every week. You need to have a good strategy. I’m no professional I just stayed away from tournaments with multiple entries. Single entries is all I played. Playing tournaments with 200,000 entries where guys have 200 teams your odds are slim. I’ll just go play some scratch offs now or go find a local OTB.

  58. “Sell, Mortimer, SELL, SELL, SELL!!!!”

    Nice reference!! Duke & Duke! Where in the hell is Beeks?

    Seriously though, we, as a society need to make a choice between new business models that the internet enables (gambling, Uber, Netflix, Amazon, Tesla’s direct sales etc.) or protecting established business models instead. Do we want innovation or do we want to maintain the status-quo? There are many court battles ahead that will determine the future of many of these new business models but more disruptive changes are coming.

  59. such hypocracy going on. I’m sure there are many politicians playing daily fantasy sports. What about the crap that goes on Wall Street every day?

  60. I wonder if any of these idiots running this scam are now posting in the comments sections of various websites posing as happy customers.
    I guess we’ll never know.

  61. Essentially NY has ruled against all fantasy games from all venues. If not, then Draft Kings and Fan Duel will have a mother of a case against the state. Or did they only pick on these two because they are the most successful and better known. Also, if the DFS people play it smart, they should expand their lawsuit to cover other forms of gambling not regulated by NY, whatever there is. I would concentrate on the angle of how NY benefits from legal gambling but cannot from DFS. That is the true motive of this ruling.

    Be sick of the commercials, but not the actual process where people can participate in whatever way they please.

  62. Sounds to me like a lot of you just suck at fantasy sports. I’ve won every time I’ve played. I’m net positive since playing fanduel, and I have friends who do better than I do. Stop crying.

    The commercials are absolutely terrible though.

  63. It’s amazing to me how many people in what is usually a pretty conservative cried here are giving the thumbs up to government stepping in and playing nanny to tell grown men what they can and can’t do with their own time and money.

  64. Captain Renault: I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!

    Croupier: Your winnings, sir.

    Captain Renault: Oh, thank you very much.
    Captain Renault: Everybody out at once!

  65. According to the Times, Schneiderman concluded that DraftKings and FanDuel “seriously mislead New York citizens about their prospects of winning,” and that “the top one percent of DraftKings winners receive the vast majority of the winnings.”
    ================

    Is he talking about DraftKings or the New York Lottery?

  66. If Fanduel and Draftkings intend on seriously challenging, they need to make changes on how the money is dispersed and make it that a higher perecntage win and shre with the higher finisher obviously getting more money.

    This is the same reason I’m not playing a lottery that has jackpots of $300 million and 9 out of 10 times 1 person wins it all. And no, that person will never be me.

  67. Both conservatives and liberals (some of us are both!) favor government intervention where it suits their interests. that being said, I wonder what kind of donations the AG’s PAC’s have been getting from casino groups in Atlantic City and Native Groups. Or will be getting.

  68. I know the commercials are annoying, but can one please give me an example of insider information? Injuries and starting lineup changes are disclosed for everyone to see prior to kickoff. So are some people some how trying to say that these employees of FD/DK can predict the future?

  69. Cavs2016NBAWorldChampions says:
    Nov 10, 2015 8:57 PM
    First of all to the clown above that said if you finish in the top 99.9% you win $10 for $3 contest, you are factually incorrect. I finished last nights weekly (DraftKings) contest 5548 out of 479,166 so thats in the top 98.87% and won $15 with 221.26 points. Stop spreading your ignorance when you dont know what you are talking about.

    Its a game that combines skill and luck. Its not all luck as some in this forum claim.

    My lineup was:
    Roethlisberger
    DeAngelo Williams
    Davonte Freeman
    Antonio Brown
    Crabtree
    Martavius Bryant
    Ivory
    Heath Miller
    Eagles Defense

    I love how in running to prove this guy wrong you absolutely unwittingly proved him right. You scored in the top 2% of the tournament you were in and only cashed out $15. I have played fantasy football for years. In a scoring structure such as that, a 226 is almost the most I’ve ever seen an individual score. I bet you in any given week of a yearly (normal) game there aren’t even close to that many high scoring teams. In DFS, What you have is a ton of “pros” flooding the market with hundreds of potential lineups. And they’re using the same algorithms that stock traders are using to bend the market to their will.

    And being that it is an unregulated industry, there is nothing to prove that these “winners” aren’t people working for the companies making the odds of high paying cash outs impossible. Think about it this way. These people you always here about win $30-$50 grand off these tourneys. And that’s the top scorer. Off the $3 entry fee that you started with and your 479,166 entries, the original pool total was 1,437,498. The “winner” in that deal only cashed 3-4% and we know that no one in the top 5000 cashed more than .00001%. That leaves a LOT of money on the table.

    Another potential problem. You have no idea what the lineups look like that you are playing against. You also have no idea if the people at FanDuel have the ability to change certain lineups to insure the outcomes they’re looking for.

    Another way to look at it. How did 2 businesses become billion dollar franchises in less than 10 years, while simultaneously having to pay out all the winners who play every week? It takes casinos longer than that. Why? Because they’re regulated

  70. No one is compelled to play. NY lottery has no problem making millions of dollars a week on a gamble, but has an issue with a game of skill. Another freedom taken away out of fear.

  71. The US has about as messy a relationship with gambling as a country possibly can. Games of skill are legal, gambling is illegal, poker (which is both) is illegal, fantasy sports (which is both) is quickly going from legal to illegal, lotteries are basically state sponsored, horse racing is legal where there’s a rich local history, casinos are legal in these certain locations but not in these ones, and the stock market is an American Institution even though it isn’t much different in its current state from Daily Fantasy Sports.

    Burn it to the ground and start over. Gambling is legal and strictly regulated. If it’s in state (casinos), states regulate it. If it’s interstate (online), the feds regulate it. It doesn’t need to be as complicated as it is.

  72. I started playing about a month ago…. Threw $25 out on DraftKings (minimim you can deposit on their site), and I actually came out even… And was somewhat surprised…

    2nd week in…lost my investment…

    3rd week in I started to figure it out…..
    1. If you play a game, you better plan on investing in 10 different rosters. Otherwise kiss your $$ goodbye.
    2. You dont need to use all of your allotted “roster money”…. If you do, forget it. (See below)
    3. You can’t win by picking a mix of the top stars at each position (spreading your $$ around equally)… You simply cannot win this way.
    You have to find at least two gems (a player with a very low percentage owned) to help your team win.
    For example, a few weeks (circa week 3)… McCown started throwing for bigtime yards… And those guys who have 10+ rosters within the same game will likely play many of these low percentage owned players)…

    Check out one of the winning rosters from a high stakes game from this past weekend:
    Carr
    Freeman
    D Williams
    A Brown
    A Cooper
    Crabtree *mid tier gem IMO
    D Walker *high tier gem IMO
    Langford *high tier gem IMO
    Vikings

    4. Stick to playing in games where there are less players to pick from. Such as Sunday only or Sunday 1pm games, or now they have a mix of Sun/Mon night games and Mon/Thurs games. Less options means less of a chance you pick a player who throws out a dud (Demaryius Thomas ahhhem that’s you)…
    5. And oddly enough, I’ve found I do a THOUSAND times better on Saturday’s than Sunday’s. About 70% of my winnings (low estimate) are from Saturday games. And I stupidly fund my Sunday games with my Saturday winnings snd give it all back….( I actually finished 3rd out of 5750 entries….$100)
    I’m no high stakes gambler by any means … And after all that, I will continue to play, keeping my weekend betting to less than $40/$50

  73. So far this season I have deposited 100$ and playing 50/50 games I have turned it into just under 800$.
    You people calling DFS a scam have no idea what you are talking about. You have probably just lost at them because you suck at them and are a idiot when it comes to football.

  74. Most of you are fools. I understand the commercial complaint, but seriously are you all that bitter over commercials? Draftkings and fanduel are valued at close to $2 billion, they aren’t “scamming” anyone. They have no interest in making you lose, cuz they make money by having more people play. Yes, there are some top heavy tournaments, but no one is forcing you to play them, u can play 50/50s or head to heads where you have a 50% chance of winning money.

  75. Two weeks ago: $1 entry fee, total points scored 180.84 good for 9822 place (that’s not a typo), total winnings: $2.50.
    That matching money is b.s. too. Initial investment $50, total matching money so far $3.00.

  76. Once again a State or Federal agency steps in to take away our freedom.

    Here’s what it is people…They want yours/mine/our money in THEIR POCKET!

    Man, my wife hates it when I get pissed off like this!

  77. What the heck happened to New York? The city and the state used to be full of tough, blue collar people with a ton of common sense.

    Now it’s nothing but a bunch of progressive babies, electing one nanny politician after another.

  78. Lol living in Canada and have won both weeks played. $$$ suck it America, “home of the free”… Or controlled and manipulated when it suits the state.

  79. “This is a politician telling hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers they are not allowed to play a game they love and share with friends, family, co-workers and players across the country.”

    No you play/share regular fantasy with family, co-workers and friends… How in the hell do you tie that statement to playing the odds on a line up…

    NY isn’t outlawing fantasy football, they are outlawing this version of odds based lineup bets… Simple.

  80. ..
    its gambling and they are spreading the hush money…

    “We’re disappointed he hasn’t taken our hush money or accept free play codes before his opinion,”

  81. First of all to the clown above that said if you finish in the top 99.9% you win $10 for $3 contest, you are factually incorrect. I finished last nights weekly (DraftKings) contest 5548 out of 479,166 so thats in the top 98.87% and won $15 with 221.26 points. Stop spreading your ignorance when you dont know what you are talking about.

    If you would’ve played that lineup on FD you would’ve won something nice

  82. I like these sites to play weekly games with friends.

    If you don’t like them, don’t play. But they haven’t been found guilty of doing anything illegal (yet), so far as I know.

    If fools want to gamble away their money in those no win lottery tournaments, let them.

    Seems like all the people trying to take these sites down, are just mad they didn’t think of it first, or can’t find a way to get a piece of the pie.

  83. It seems pretty cut and dry, gambling is when the house takes a cut. In season long, traditional FF leagues, all entry fees are fully dispersed amongst the winners. In DFL’s, win or lose, they take a portion, if not all of your entry fee.

  84. I’ll enjoy listening to sports radio on the way to work a whole lot more now without these commercials on all the time. I was really getting sick of that idiot saying “you. Are. Crazy.” (If you don’t play fan duel) ugh.

  85. I am an avid DFS player & won 5 out of 6 games I entered this week. I do agree with a previous comment regarding payouts. I finished 386 out of 38,333 and only cashed $15 on a $3 bet. I thought it would be somewhat higher. I’m sticking to the 50/50’s!

  86. darrkkomens says:
    Nov 10, 2015 7:19 PM

    Why don’t the government stop trying to control the citizens. They act as if they own us. The government is suppose to be the voice of the people. Not the voice controlling the people.. We need to start voting these losers out of office.. Their laws and decisions are only to protect and are in the best interest of the Super Rich.. If the citizens want to use draft kings of fan duel it’s our right… More laws of control until we’re a police state.. Oh I forgot we pretty much already are
    ************************

    Regulations arent in place to “control you” they’re there to protect you – even from yourself.

  87. It’s not just an awful thing because its gambling. But EVERY media outlet is bought and paid for on this issue. Nobody will say a bad word about these companies because you’re all in bed with them.

  88. Of course it’s a game of skill. It takes a skill to work for the company, compile the entries and bet it at the other company (insider trading). And the guy in the ad who invested $35 and won over $2 million……..he sure doesn’t seem that happy in the ad. Not to mention, it was $186K over the 2 million………that’s not to shabby alone for the $35 entry. My god, take this industry down……….please.

  89. Duh, its gambling– thanks for allowing this, Goodell– part of your ‘integrity of the game’ schtick?

  90. Whatever the degree of skill, the commercials for DFS promote gambling. Enticing viewers with million$ in payoffs for a few dollars buy-in incites the greed gene in all of us. I am shocked if parents are exposing their kids to this scheme, but how can they avoid all those commercials? Politicians are involved in this because of complaints from their constituents.

  91. The insiders to DFS can see the selections of other participants and with a simple program can easily determine the series of selections that guarantee victory regardless of who has a good game. Without regulations that is sure to be happening. That is why insiders always win. Even without insiders, it is nothing more than horse racing, but without regulation limiting the track cut, even the best handicapper will lose.

  92. no one makes or forces people to play so why complain and cry about it…if its just the commercials people hate then change the channel for 60 seconds just like any other commercial…and who said you have to win a million dollars to be winner ..you can play 1 buck 2 or 3 bucks and end u with 30 or 40 bucks ..how is that a rip off…the people who cant never win probably are the ones who cry to stop this game and there wife probaly telling them stop playing ..if you dont want to lose then dont play..its just like lottery but on this game you can at least win 20 bucks if your good enough to come 900th place…Ican not believe all the negative fans on here just dont play if it bothers you that much

  93. I started with $35 in September and am now at $71. I only play the 50/50. 100 people per group. 50 win, 50 lose. The winners all get the same amount. Drop 5 and win, you get 9.
    I am much more of a college fan, and I usually crush it. Even finished 1 out of 100 one night.
    Have not had as much luck.. er… skill with the NFL side.

    Let all the clowns who want the oversized check fill the coffers, and I will continue to skim my college 50/50 for nice gains.

  94. I started playing Fan Duel last year and have won $2200 on the NFL over in 12 NFL weeks. It is not rigged you just have to understand and follow the NFL.
    I started off with a $20 investment and play $10-$12 total per week and have won $2249 on my original $20.

    If you watch the ESPN highlights and then go and putting a lineup this daily fantasy sports is not for you. You unfortunately are just giving away your money.
    This is a skill with some luck involved!

  95. To those who liken Fantasy Sports to the government sponsored lotteries, there is one huge and significant difference: The portions of the amount gambled that are not returned to contestants as prize money are retained by the state treasury in the case of a lottery. Various states distribute that money in various ways, but many earmark those funds directly towards education, thereby (theoretically at least) reducing the taxpayer burden for education. In other words, any money not “won” goes (indirectly) to the entire tax paying population of the state.

    Draft Kings and Fan Duel are private operations who keep their money earnings as profits.

  96. First of all to the clown above that said if you finish in the top 99.9% you win $10 for $3 contest, you are factually incorrect. I finished last nights weekly (DraftKings) contest 5548 out of 479,166 so thats in the top 98.87% and won $15 with 221.26 points. Stop spreading your ignorance when you dont know what you are talking about.
    —————-
    So let me get this straight. You are mad that I said $10, instead of $15…like that is some huge difference. Here is my point in case you missed it. Finishing in top .1 percent of 10,000 people is something that happens, lets say, not that very often, about .1 percent of the time I would say.. If you bet $3 and have that type of performance, you should win at least $100. You can go to an actual casino, play a game of blackjack for $3, and probably have about a 43% of doubling your money. But on Draftkings, a $3 bet you have to finish in top 80% to even double your money in a tournament. Why would anyone do those odds??? And Draftkings gets millions of people to take these odds every week because they make people believe they are smart and all those other players are dumb, so the odds for you are better. When in reality, we all know fantasy football is at least 90% luck. Even if you draft a great team your QB could get knocked out in 1st quarter.

  97. Then the government needs to ban the Lottery. Oh I forgot. Only the government can run gambling operations. The government is corrupt. Look at your paycheck. Check out the withholding. They steal from everyone before you even get paid.

  98. I have a hard time picking the best starting lineup of 9 from a fantasy team of 15.

    No way they’re getting any of my money.

  99. So I guess this means that horse racing is also now illegal in New York? The Belmont Stakes needs to start looking for a new home?

    Wake up people: this is a strategic move on the part of the state of New York. The first step is to declare these fantasy sites as “illegal”.

    Then the people that run these sites meet with the NY politicians and they come to an agreement.

    Then a law is proposed within the state that permits these sites to operate, and the state of New York gets to levy a tax on every transaction that takes place from a participant who lives in the state of New York.

    The law passes, and everyone is happy again. The fantasy sites get their legal status, and their money from the participants, and the state of New York gets a brand new revenue stream.

    This will come to fruition within the next year.

  100. Here’s an idea… if you don’t like it, don’t play. You really don’t need to ruin it for everyone else that enjoys it.

    There are plenty of games, besides the huge tournaments with the guys investing tons of money, that are pretty damn easy to win at (50/50, double ups, mulitipliers, head to head with friends, leagues with friends).

  101. ohand16 says:Nov 11, 2015 6:04 AM

    Cavs2016 – you finished in the top 1.3% and won $15? Not much of a payoff
    ——————————————————-‘————————

    No its not much of a payoff but its fun for me. I dont do it expecting to win the $100,000 top prize. If it happens that would be fantastic. I dont do this expecting to make a living out of it. I do it for fun.

    I was at $40 before the Monday Night game, so it sucked getting knocked down to $15.

  102. As many above have posted, FF is NOT a game of skill. As much as you crunch numbers, trends and analyze field conditions and weather, it still comes down to luck. In poker or blackjack, the cards are the same. There are some true odds you can anticipate. Ever play poker and have the dealer say “Oh, the King of Hearts is hurt, I’m taking him out of the deck.” or “Gee, the two of clubs is now worth 10, but just today”. The two cant be compared.

  103. It is a game of skill where research and time need to be spent every week on matchups and value or you will not win. These states just want money, so let’s settle it and pay the states so people can choose to play if they so wish

  104. At least Nationwide’s commercials are A- little different each time, B- comical & C- seen only every 3rd or 4th break.

    The daily fantasy commercials are the closest thing to SPAM we have on TV. I cannot stand listening to the “every day Joe” dorks about how their Sunday’s “…..are a LOT more interesting….”

    I pause, mute or change the channel every time.

    I’d rather watch Jennifer Anniston’s elitist airline commercials over & over than this crap.

    I really don’t care that it’s gambling & a total scam. I just cannot stand hearing about it every commercial break. Stop spamming the airwaves!

  105. But let me get this straight Schneiderman gambling in a casino is legal in your state that is total chance, some games require certain strategy and skill, but thats legal, but Fantasy Sports which requires mainly skill is not. Hmmmm hypocrite.

    Yeah and Horseracing thats a lot of skill going on in that type of gambling, o thats legal too in your state.

    So let’s see its only illegal Schniederman becuz its not regulated and because the state doesnt get paid, its illegal.

    Wow politicians are scumbags and corrupt

  106. Tamady Hall must not be getting their cut in the action, typical NYS. However, NYS has Lotto, MegaMillions, Powerball, Scratch-offs, OTB, Take 5, Quickdraw, Racinos….. Get the picture.

  107. Real easy, if you live in New York, get VPN (Virtual Privacy Network), spoof your IP to that of a different State/Country, and use a bank account that won’t give up your details. May as well take the same approach that Wall Street uses. I mean, they may not use VPN, but not everyone gets sheltered by the Federal Government when they do shady things.

  108. I don’t play the lottery, but I love it, because it means other people are helping to pay my taxes. I hope my state can get their piece of this pie as
    well, just as they do with casinos.

  109. If I can’t deposit money to play online poker, then folks shouldn’t be able to deposit money to play DFS.

  110. so lets see Schneiderman slot machines in your casinos in New York are legal, but DFS are illegal. Lotteries are legal but DFS is not. Horse race betting in which certain races are fixed are legal, but DFS is illegal.

    Slot machines are the biggest scam going. You know why I dont play slot machines because I have a brain and know you cant win at slots.

    Lotteries are the next biggest scam going.

    So those 2 are legal, but skill in picking a winning lineup is illegal.

    That argument makes as much sense as Goodell being the Commissioner of the NFL. Why dont you investigate the NFL & NFL owners Schneiderman?

    What a joke this clown is.

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