Browns announce Josh McCown to start, Johnny Manziel third

AP

After giving him a chance to prove himself the rest of the season, the Browns have now taken that chance away from Johnny Manziel.

The team announced that Josh McCown would return to the starting lineup this week, and the Manziel would be the third quarterback behind Austin Davis, after video emerged of him partying over the bye week.

Pettine said after consulting with his coaching staff, and talking to General Manager Ray Farmer and owner Jimmy Haslam, he told the players involved of his decision.

Everyone in this organization wants what is best for Johnny just like we do for every player in our locker room,” Pettine said in a statement from the team. “I’m especially disappointed in his actions and behavior because he has been working very hard. The improvements from last year to this year have been tremendous but he still has to consistently demonstrate that he has gained a good understanding of what it takes to be successful at the quarterback position on this level. It goes well beyond the field.

“We are going to continue to support him in every way possible, but at this point, we’ve decided it’s best to go with Josh as the starter going forward.”

McCown has been hurt lately, but that’s not really why they went to Manziel, since their season was shot and they had a former first-rounder they weren’t sure was ready to play.

They still don’t know.

154 responses to “Browns announce Josh McCown to start, Johnny Manziel third

  1. That escalated quickly. I hope the vodka cranberry was worth it.

    Interesting how a night out on the bye is far worse than a domestic violence incident. That is the incident that should have got him benched.

  2. its clear pettine cant make player personnel decisions because he never wanted to play johnny in the 1st place but had to check w/ the principal to see if he could bench johnny again

  3. Unless the Browns made him sign a contract that banned him from alcohol, I don’t get this one.

    If other athletes had the spotlight that Johnny has always wanted and now can’t get rid of, they would catch much worse on video.

    Get it together Browns.

  4. Come on! On a bye week he can’t go have some fun? Last year was understandable when he was out til 3 the night before the game. But a bye really? Good luck on your next team! Work hard play hard.

  5. So…….when will Johnny 8 Ball be released?

    If I was Farmer, I would be on the line with Jerry Jones. Maybe could still get a few firsts for him.

  6. Surprising move, but you can’t really defend Manziel. He had his chance at the starting job, and he did the one thing he is notorious for… We don’t know what goes on in the Browns organization. I imagine Pettine gave him a warning and told him what would happen if he made a fool of himself again.

  7. This organization is such a joke. Is Johnny not an adult? Did Johnny get a dui? Did Johnny get in trouble? No! It isn’t his fault the media won’t let him live cause they know they can get a story from it. Partying, going on vacation, spending time with family, doing football stuff, etc. are all options that players have the choice of partaking in during the bye week. And if we followed all the players from the league around you’d be surprised (hopefully not) on how many do the partying option, and how many do more than just drink and smoke marijuana. Browns are still the same Browns.

  8. Well there goes that..Manziel was the only reason and I mean only reason I was going to tune into to this game..no need to watch now.

  9. ESPN has a great story about how in less than a season Josh McCown holds several Cleveland Browns records. And yet, still the front office benched him for Manziel.

    Let Johnny think about whether he wants to be a quarterback or not. Let him think about it from the bench.

  10. Philadelphia == East Cleveland

    Said an Eagle’s season ticket holder from 1977

    Yet still…

    ICWT (I think)

  11. Is this a raw deal for J-Football? Maybe…that level of scrutiny sucks. BUT HE KNEW HE WAS UNDER THE MICROSCOPE AND PARTIED ANYWAY.

    No sympathy. Get your act together or join the 99% who would kill to have the opportunity you do.

  12. When a team gives you this many chances, gets embarrassed by you publicly this many times, helps put you through rehab, defends you from press accusations, and merely asks you to stay sober, stay out of the limelight, and make you job your primary focus… and you don’t…

    What else should be expected to happen?

  13. If it weren’t for Mallet Johnny would be this year’s poster boy for how to blow an undeserved opportunity through mind numbing self indulgence. The kid obviously needs more help than he has gotten

  14. Can’t lie I ain’t want Pett fired cause the team is terrible but damn he’s gotta go after this. Manziel messed up but if I came to the point where the dude can’t even go out they just need to cut him now. Worst franchise in all of sports

  15. They should have dumped this clown … correction, they should never have listened to that homeless man in the first place.

    He’s been given about 8 more chances than he deserved. Just stop with the excuses.

  16. Everyone crying about”why can’t he go party” obviously because the Team knows the Guy has a problem.That Front Office is pretty bad,but if the Guy has a problem with Alcohol,they owe it to him and theirselves,to not e able him

  17. What did he do wrong? Did he get arrested? Hit a woman?

    No? No?

    OH…he was partying on his WEEK OFF????

    Unless he went to rehab previously for alcohol abuse, I don’t see why this is such a big deal.

  18. Beyond stupid. Six games left. You are not going to the playoffs and you will start a 36 year-old journeyman for what purpose? Kick the tires on Manziel and see what, if anything, you have.

  19. I would not at all be surprised if Johnny is doing this on purpose to facilitate getting out of that hell hole in Cleveland. The kid can play, he’s proven that. That organization is a joke and deserves its plight. Maybe Jerry Jones gets him to be the heir apparent in Dallas and he turns into the star he showed in college. If you are reading this Johnny…good for you. Don’t listen to the idiots like Schlereff. You do you.

  20. Time for Manziel to take the wake-up call here. Life of alcoholism without a pro career, or a life of sobriety and a chance at a pro career.

    You guys want Pettine fired for doing what is the absolute best for this kid who is battling a serious disease. That’s pathetic and sad to put football over his life.

    I applaud Pettine and the Browns organization for taking alcoholism seriously and giving Manziel a big push and gift that he desparately needs right now.

  21. To be fair, he told them long ago that he would NOT change. You know it and I know it. Stop all the nonsense. This guy has used his privilege more than anyone EVER.

  22. the guy got off with reckless driving, domestic violence and likely drunk driving. you or I get stopped in that situation we’d be in cuffs.

    that incident, among the others and this recent one from a guy who was in rehab for 3 months? warning signs.

    you want to play football or is partying more important? he knew the drill, he knew the microscope he was operating in and he basically spit in the Browns’ face.

    Bye, Johnny.

  23. tformation says:
    Nov 24, 2015 3:59 PM

    ESPN has a great story about how in less than a season Josh McCown holds several Cleveland Browns records. And yet, still the front office benched him for Manziel.

    ——————————-

    You lost me at “ESPN has a great story”. no way that is true.

  24. It’s really unfortunate that this had to happen. I get both sides of the argument here, kid is scrutinized for everything but he knows that and brings it on himself by putting himself in situations where he knows he’s going to get photographed, video posted etc.

    At the same time, I don’t think this coaching staff has done him any favors. Ultimately I feel sorry for Cleveland fans. It has to be frustrating year after year to deal with this nonsense. Here’s hoping there is brighter days ahead 😦

  25. It all starts with the GM. If you wanted a choir boy, why on earth did you draft Manziel? And if Manziel is on thin ice, why would someone like Josh McCown be your backup. This front office couldn’t run a World League team.

  26. If Josh McCown owns many records in the Cleveland book then they must be some real crappy records to set. The kid had a night out, big deal. Did he get arrested? Did he get into a fight ? Did he kill a dog or cat? Did he beat any kids with sticks? Did he lunch a woman in the face or attempt to strangle her? Teams are way over stepping their boundaries IMO. You have a player on a roster that killed his friend while driving a car but a player cannot go out and have a good time? Unless he is an NFL mandated drug and alcohol program I see nothing wrong with what Manziel did. But hey, the team can just say he is not as good as McCown and no one can say anything about it.

  27. For the guys who dont get why this is happening you must have forgot he was in rehabilitation. He’s not abiding by what he claimed he was sorry for. Come on he can’t seriously wait till the off season to enjoy the parties? They have a major losing season anyways smh

  28. What don’t some of these posters get? If this was Ryan Fitzpatrick pulling the same thing of course it would be a different response.

    But Ryan Fitzpatrick doesn’t have a history of being an out of control alcoholic fresh off a failed stint at rehab.

    The Browns have no choice but to treat him like a child because that’s what he’s earned.

    They gave him a 6 week trial to prove he’s an NFL QB and he completely blew it by going out partying.

    I’m all about second chances but Manziel is way past that, he’s screwed up for the last time in Cleveland at least.

  29. connfyoozed says:
    Nov 24, 2015 4:01 PM

    When a team gives you this many chances, gets embarrassed by you publicly this many times, helps put you through rehab, defends you from press accusations, and merely asks you to stay sober, stay out of the limelight, and make you job your primary focus… and you don’t…

    What else should be expected to happen?

    Well said sir. Maybe they are taking the stance that they won’t enable him anymore. The guy is a recovering addict why is it so hard for some people to understand that he should not be in those situations? The team had your back and you do it anyhow? Sooner or later this guy has to be told enough.

  30. In a world like the NFL it takes a total commitment to succeed. The Browns should have seen this guy has no want to. He has a fall back plan – and that’s never good – he knows he can always go back to mom and dads money and have fun. So many of the athletes in the NFL don’t have that luxury. They will out work the other guy because they have to. Johnny may have the talent but he’s missing the desire and discipline. Even Brady and Rodgers still work their butts off to be the best and they’ve earned the right to slack off. You can have all the talent in the world but if you don’t have the desire you won’t last long.

  31. Pettine has hated this kid from the start. Pettine and Farmer are not on the same page. Just more proof with today’s latest excuse to bench Manziel.

  32. Alcohol addition is serious business. Manziel has a problem with it and he made a commitment to the organization and the locker room that he couldn’t keep. He’s an idiot and it will likely cost him his career if he doesn’t figure out how to operate as a professional.

  33. Johnny also missed games because of his rehab stint. If he was in rehab for more than alcohol I would also be more worried since alcohol is the starter for doing more hard drugs

  34. runwright44 says:

    Nov 24, 2015 4:08 PM

    Beyond stupid. Six games left. You are not going to the playoffs and you will start a 36 year-old journeyman for what purpose? Kick the tires on Manziel and see what, if anything, you have.
    —————
    That was their plan, Johnny has already shown them he’s not taking it seriously and doesn’t want to put in the time/commitment to be a pro QB.

    He’s done. He blew it. They’ve seen enough.

  35. nyg2727 says:
    Nov 24, 2015 4:06 PM

    JERRY JONES would be Excited To Bring MANZIEL To Dallas Organization!!
    —————————

    Johnny Football is too clean cut for that old buzzard.

  36. The coaching staff and front office are more wishy-washy than a little kid baited with a chocolate bar.

    It was a 5 day off vacation from the Browns. Did the FO expect a 23 year old to sit at home and do nothing? And what was in that “pink” bottle? Why the assumption that he was drunk or drugged?

    And what’s the real reason JF was in Caren; no one really knows. I think even the Browns are assuming something that isn’t.

  37. Pettine told the team to get away from things, Manziel has a couple drinks on the bye week, and high school coach says I’m demotin’ ya for gettin’ away from things.

  38. You know that feeling of regret you have the next day when you know you should have just said NO to your boys? Ole Johnny “Cool Guy” is probably experiencing a little of that today… times a million!

  39. bchap17 says:
    Nov 24, 2015 4:11 PM
    Somebody’s about to receive a phone call from Roger.

    It will be Manziel, if anyone.

    Goodell doesn’t want to mess with M.A.D.D.

  40. Pettine needs a drink.

    Manziel needs to meet with Haslam if he’s out of jail. Not to demand a trade, but to demand they fire Pettine.

  41. I hope for Manziel’s sake the Browns cut him at the end of the season, and he gets a chance somewhere else. He was partying on his week off. No one got hurt.

    If he’s showing up to practice and games and doing what he is asked to do at those, and is performing at a high level, then it should be none of the Browns’ business what he does in his down time.

    The Browns are more than just the Factory of Sadness. They are a fiercely burning dumpster fire, and deserve everything they get.

  42. While Johnny may not have a real drinking problem, going into rehab was the beginning of the end for him. You can’t say you have a drinking problem, go to rehab, come out partying and say you don’t have a problem. He either made a mockery of people with a real problem in a sad attempt to repair his image, or he actually has a problem and can’t fix himself.

  43. For everyone saying The Browns are overreacting here, you’d be right if Johnny didn’t check himself into Alcohol Rehab. His actions this weekend indicated that he either can’t fix his drinking problem, or he doesn’t really have a drinking problem but used that as an excuse to fix his image problem. Either way that’s not the leader of a football team.

  44. So which QB has a better chance of being on an NFL team next year? Thumbs up for Johnny, thumbs down for Kaepernick.

  45. I’d feel sorry for the CLE fans if they weren’t so ignorant. How did those 2 first round draft picks work for you?

  46. No business owner in any capacity wants a drunk working for them, let alone working for them as the Quarterback of their NFL team. You need to be strong-willed to handle the job, and alcoholism is nothing more than a mental weakness. A lack of self-discipline and self-control. To call it a disease does a huge disservice to people fighting real diseases. Diseases that aren’t caused due to the “victim” being too mentally weak not to pour booze down their face every day.

    Johnny should be a bartender. The world needs plenty of bartenders.

  47. I’m going to agree with others that Johnny wants out of Cleveland (to Dallas??).

    It’s obvious to anyone paying attention that the relationship between he and Pettine is contentious.

    Unless…

    Johnny just can’t mentally handle being the starter. It psyches him out and drives him to drink.

  48. For all the un-informed on here, Johnny promised Pettine that he would not do anything to be a distraction or embarrassment during the Bye week. Alcohol addiction made him break that promise and ruin the trust they had in him. End of story…

  49. MAN this organization can’t seem to take any steps forward. It’s years now of indecisive back and forth. Finally, they get to a place where they have a very effective starter (McCown) and a talented backup with promise (Manziel), neither of which changes their need for a QB of the future within the next few years.

    They could have just stuck with McCown and formally kept Manziel in the Aaron Rodgers-behind-Favre role, but no, they have to go waffling back and forth. Your starter’s benched for the young guy. No, now the young guy’s third. No one seems to have a clue.

    It’s the same as when they sat Hoyer, with playoffs in sight, and rushed to Manziel. They’re not helping themselves or these players with this kind of nonsense.

    They don’t need better players. They need better leaders.

  50. tformation says:
    Nov 24, 2015 3:59 PM

    ESPN has a great story about how in less than a season Josh McCown holds several Cleveland Browns records. And yet, still the front office benched him for Manziel.
    ———————————

    Who cares about records, except for Peyton Manning?

    People only care about wins, and neither one of them was getting any. At least Johnny Football made losing more exciting.

    Manziel should have been the only option going forward.

  51. pftbro says:
    Nov 24, 2015 4:40 PM

    For all the un-informed on here, Johnny promised Pettine that he would not do anything to be a distraction or embarrassment during the Bye week. Alcohol addiction made him break that promise and ruin the trust they had in him. End of story…
    ———————————–

    What did he do that was distracting or embarrassing?

  52. The team is doomed. Everyone loved it when Ken Stabler use to say that he studied the play book by the light of the juke box and once showed up dead drunk for a game and won it in the 4th quarter when he sobered up and threw 4 TDs. Now Johnny parties on his own time on the bye week and everyone is having a cow. The coach and GM are fools. They have only themselves to blame for passing on Bridgewater and Carr.

  53. He’s an idiot. Social media is for idiots next time you are given the reigns to prove you are an NFL QB stay home with some people you can trust, have some good times and keep the phones in a lock box till everyone wakes up the next AM.

  54. Johnny Busto is an alcoholic. He cannot control himself. He’s been this way long before the Browns foolishly drafted him. How stupid could they be?

    They should do the best thing for him and do it now. Cut him. Because by giving him a spot in the limelight they are only enabling his desire to destroy himself.

    Here’s the truth, and I’ve been saying it since before he was drafted. He’s an arrogant little punk who thinks he can do anything and has no rules which apply to him. I have no doubt that if he keeps his job in the NFL, he will wind up being a sad statistic along with so many others who have destroyed or even lost their lives due to addiction.

    He will never be a good player in the NFL and there is no reason what so ever that he should be holding down a roster spot on any team. You could find a QB in the Arena League or the CFL who have what he has — which is not much.

  55. I am not even a Browns fan, but Cleveland truly is a Factory of Sadness. For all of us.

    I really hope the Browns change their name to the Mourners and place a teardrop on their helmet. Heck, even Detroit looks at Cleveland and says, “Now THAT’S pathetic.”

  56. Kaz says:
    Nov 24, 2015 3:50 PM

    Interesting how a night out on the bye is far worse than a domestic violence incident. That is the incident that should have got him benched.
    *******************************
    I’m pretty sure that his being a victim of DV from his drunken girlfriend shouldn’t reflect negatively on his team standing. It’s not like both the police and league determined he did nothing wrong…

  57. Well looks like ESPN will have to change it’s Monday night football commercials showcasing Johnny Manziel.

    Seriously that was how they tried to promote the game.

  58. Wow, pointless move by the browns. Wasting away your number one pick. Nothing to play for this year, no point in starting McCown. You have to see what Manziel can do in more than a game here and there. This is pettine’s ego getting in the way

  59. He’s addicted to partying….the alcohol is obviously secondary. A true drunk doesnt need 50 people around him to take care of his business; many alcoholics actually prefer drinking by themselves.

    If it was all about the alcohol youd never even know Manziel drank because he’d likely be doing it in private; its needing to be around other people that gets him in trouble.

  60. Is it fine for most players to go out and have a good time like this? Sure. No problem whatsoever.

    In this particular case, is it? Given everything that’s happened already?

    This is the same guy who was out until 3 am before a game, who has missed meetings, who has in the past not taken his job seriously by his own admission, and has been in rehab.

    If the coaching staff had him on a short leash because of all of these incidents, then I don’t blame them one bit.

    You can’t do a bunch of stupid stuff and then expect to get treated like everyone else.

  61. HOT NEWS: 22-year old has a social life. Who’da thunk it.

    And anyone saying the Texans dodged a bullet needs their head examined, because they’ve gotten literally nothing out of Clowney. And they drafted him at #1 overall, unlike Cleveland who had a second 1st round pick.

    If it’s just on his bye week, I’m fine with it. If he isn’t showing up to practice or a game wasted, that’s really what matters, isn’t it?

    No, the real death knell for Manziel was Pettine’s hiring. Pettine didn’t want him, never wanted him, and never had any intent to make him a real starter.

  62. arwiv says:
    Nov 24, 2015 5:12 PM
    He’s addicted to partying….the alcohol is obviously secondary. A true drunk doesnt need 50 people around him to take care of his business; many alcoholics actually prefer drinking by themselves.

    If it was all about the alcohol youd never even know Manziel drank because he’d likely be doing it in private; its needing to be around other people that gets him in trouble.”

    Uh, not even. An alcoholic’s priority is booze over everything – including relationships, family, and career. His family has spoken out in concern of his alcohol, his relationship with his girlfriend has obviously suffered something, and his career is going down the toilet.

  63. I’m officially done with this trainwreck of an organization. They can go pound salt.

    Instead of worrying about your QB going out and having a good time, why dont you worry about being 94 games under .500 since 1999.

    I hope Pettine enjoys all his yes men that have passes go off their knee and facemasks. He is correct they are all playing like a Brown. That means they are playing like a horrible football team.

    Pettine can go teach 2nd grade gym class because thats all he is qualified. And this organization is a joke.

    Johnny is the only player worth a crap on this sorry team. Enjoy all your saints that cant play Pettine you clown. This whole organization from Haslem, Pettine, to Farmer are all loser clowns.

  64. youstontx says:
    “and his career is going down the toilet”

    That’s not alcohol, that’s getting drafted to the Browns.

    I’m not even joking. Just look at all the Browns QB success stories out of the last two decades. Not because all of them were awful, which they weren’t, but because the organization is a terrible.

  65. A football team suspends a player for attending a party in which alcohol was presumably involved. The incredible irony is that the team rakes in massive profits from alcohol related advertising and sales. I guess we’re supposed to believe that all of the fans attending games on Sunday’s are sober, and that the price of alcohol served in those stadiums is not considered gouging. Hypocrites, all of them.

  66. If he shows up for work drunk, bench him. If he get’s arrested for dui, bench him. If he goes off on a drunken rant about the team, bench him.

    When he shows up at a party when he has a few days off and someone posts a picture of him, do not bench him.

    Has he been working hard in practice? Has he shown up for practice every day on time?

    If the answer is yes to those 2 questions you have to play him. Not playing him at this point is not tough love. It’s flushing a first round pick down the toilet by a team who hasn’t gotten anything right.

    The way Pettine has acted towards Manziel it was clear that the only reason Manziel would play for him is if there was no other healthy QB on the roster no matter what Manziel did.

    I expect McCown to have a good game simply because half of the Ravens starting roster is on IR plus the Ravens are better off losing and going for the 1st overall and know it. With everyone IR the coaching staff and team will get a pass.

    The Browns on the other hand will convince themselves that McCown is a viable longterm starter and continue to trot him out next year for another shot at a high pick. Manziel will leave the Browns without ever being properly evaluated on the field.

  67. The Browns are dysfuctional yes, but this was the right move. Should they see what they have in Manziel? Yeah probably but what they have is a guy who can’t stay out of the headlines. The Gronkowski comparisons are stupid. 1) He isn’t a quarterback, 2) He’s productive. I am willing to bet the Browns told Manziel to cool it with the partying during the season, esp since now he’s the starter. What did he do? He went out and partied. It’s not the partying he’s 22 obviously he wants to go out and haver a blast but it is a serious concern that he doesn’t think he needs to stop when thats what the Browns are asking him if he wants to be the starting qb. He doesn’t have a right to the starting qb job, this is a good move to bench him. He hasn’t earned anything.

  68. I hope the Ravens run this joke of a franchise and joke of a coach off the field Monday Night. I refuse to watch this dumpster fire and I refuse to waste 1 more second of my time on these clowns.

    Go rename yourself the Cleveland Clowns because that’s exactly what you are.

  69. Can’t wait for Browns vs…… Ahhhh hahaha who even cares?

    Gruden is just gonna send a tape recorder to call the game. “Football, football, football players, route, football.”

    And no one will even notice.

  70. Hahaha he is not an alcoholic. He is a kid who *gasp* likes to be social and have fun.

    Cleveland folks may be the best fans in sports. I have seen games and there are way more people in attendance than just friends and family of the team. Good on ya

  71. @ carloswlassiter says:

    “It would be cool to be a celebrity and have outfits like TMZ spend every waking moment trying to ruin your life.”

    Naaw. Johnny 8-ball is doing a good job of ruining his life all on his own.

    This is just the latest in the saga of Johnny Manziel, yet Florio STILL won’t give Jerry Jones credit for passing on this bum.

    How’s that “bill rolling” move worked out for ya, Johnny?

  72. I am far from a fan of Johnny Manziel, too much showboat of a player really, but thats besides the point here. Why is it wrong for a player to enjoy himself off the field? he’s not being seen doing drugs, just cutting up on 6th street in Austin. how many of us, when we were that age, weren’t doing something similar…hell most of us were doing it the night before work and went in with a hangover…I think this is just the front office over reacting.

  73. Doesn’t even matter. Until my team becomes competitive…not relevant, just competitive, news about the Browns is meaningless. This hasn’t submarined our season, it’s just a info note about nothing. My yearly fix is a football draft fantasy (not a fantasy football draft), waiting to see who gets taken before and after the Browns are on the clock. Different owner, office and coach, same results. The curse of Modell is powerful indeed.

  74. For those who think the Browns are making the wrong decision, YOU don’t get it. They wanted this guy to be the face of the franchise and he continually keeps embarrassing them. Quarterbacks are simply held to a higher standard. Plus, whatever happened to his rehab? It’s almost like that was just to save face, and he’s now making a mockery of the whole rehab process.

  75. Can this be the end of Johnny Manziel?

    I think it should be because I don’t think anyone would want to trade for him.

    Look at Quinton Coples in New York. He wasn’t traded after being a first round pick. He was just flat out cut.

  76. “The team announced that Josh McCown would return to the starting lineup this week, and the Manziel would be the third quarterback behind Austin Davis, after video emerged of him partying over the bye week.”

    I love that you called him “the Manziel.”

  77. “Why is it wrong for a player to enjoy himself off the field? ”

    Because he is an alcoholic and he is allowing alcohol to run his life. That is not the kind of person you want being the team leader on your professional organization.

  78. br5874 says:
    Quarterbacks are simply held to a higher standard

    Two words: Jameis Winston. Raped a girl, the police covered it up, the university blatantly ignored NCAA regulations as to when the investigation was to take place, and acted like a complete chucklehead for the next year. Still drafted #1 overall.

  79. Cut him and move on. Stupid is a stupid does and you know who is all kind of stupid. He thinks he is Spuds McKenzie….THE ORIGINAL PARTY ANIMAL!

  80. This is a triple whammy. First, the Browns have to draft another QB, so here we go again. Second, the Browns have a TERRIBLE history at QB selection, with Johnny Martini being the latest gaff. Third, a rookie QB needs two, three, four years to develop. I feel terrible for ticket buying fans who sit out in the cold watching their team, year and after year, and there is no end to the pain in sight.

  81. Just another front office blunder by the hapless browns.
    A 36 yr old has been and a 22 yr old that still needs a diaper
    change every couple of hours. Now I understand why Model left.

  82. Pettine disappoints me. I am flying with my buddies to Cleveland for our annual NFL trip. This year we randomly selected Cleveland and the Ravens on Monday night. Thanks to this decision, I now am flying to watch Josh McCown and Matt Schaub. Ugh. This is gonna suck.

  83. Either play Manziel or cut him. There should be no in-between.
    Get a head start on the future (see what Manziel can do with extended playing time) or reboot now.
    The correct response from Pettine should have been “Johnny’s a grown man, we trust him to be ready for the next game.”
    Give him you-know-what in private. Controversy over.
    What Pettine has done is ensure the team continues in limbo for the rest of the season.

  84. Joe Namath should be very grateful that he doesn’t play today. Broadway Joe would be No-go Joe in Pettine’s book. (Not that Pettine would ever know what to do with Namath anyway)

  85. All these posts about Johnny should be able to do what he wants on a bye week and there’s nothing in his contract restricting that.

    You right, he do what he wants, he did and his employment status is unaffected.

    That said nothing guarentees him the starter role. He needs a weekend of partying because the last 6 weeks has been tough? Really? Six weeks? Man up, quit party for the year; prove you wants his more than booze and bimbos.

    He’s an immature, spoiled little boy that will never grow up. Wasted talent and carbon footprint!!!!

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