PFT’s Week 12 picks

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The good news? After a crappy Week 10 performance, I finished about .500 in Week 11. The bad news? Not by much.

It was 8-6 for me, 9-5 for MDS, and now we’re tied with six weeks to go.

With six disagreements this week (the most of the year, by far), this is the weekend when separation could happen. If definitely will begin on Thursday, where we disagree on one of the three Thanksgiving Day games.

For the year, we’re both 101-59, a success rate of 63.12 percent.

Eagles at Lions

MDS’s take: The Eagles looked terrible on Sunday and the Lions looked pretty good, but Detroit’s offense still isn’t making many big plays, and I think Philly can win a close, low-scoring game.

MDS’s pick: Eagles 17, Lions 14.

Florio’s take: The Lions are hot, and the Eagles are on the verge of an implosion. With Jim Caldwell earning a chance to keep his job (and possibly to emerge with power over personnel) and Mark Sanchez likely starting again for Philly, Detroit could be halfway to .500 after a 1-7 disaster.

Florio’s pick: Lions 24, Eagles 17.

Panthers at Cowboys

MDS’s take: In their last 28 games, the Cowboys are 16-3 when Tony Romo starts and 0-9 when he doesn’t. Unfortunately for Dallas, Romo now has to face perhaps the best defense in the NFL in the Panthers, and a loss on Thanksgiving will seal the Cowboys’ fate.

MDS’s pick: Panthers 20, Cowboys 13.

Florio’s take: The playoffs start for the Cowboys on Thursday. If so, they’ll be one and done. The Panthers are better than most will realize or admit, and Cam Newton will relish the opportunity to dance for a national audience that is dabbing the gravy from its collective chin.

Florio’s pick: Panthers 30, Cowboys 27.

Bears at Packers

MDS’s take: Green Bay’s offense does miss receiver Jordy Nelson, but Aaron Rodgers should be able to get back on track against a weak Bears defense. The Packers will cruise.

MDS’s pick: Packers 34, Bears 17.

Florio’s take: They’re retiring Brett Favre’s number, which will give his successor (and one-time in-house rival) extra motivation to avoid losing a second straight home game to a division rival.

Florio’s pick: Packers 31, Bears 21.

Vikings at Falcons

MDS’s take: This is a huge game in the NFC wild card race, as the Vikings and Falcons would currently be the No. 5 and No. 6 seeds in the conference. I like Matt Ryan and Julio Jones to have a big day in what should be an exciting game.

MDS’s pick: Falcons 28, Vikings 27.

Florio’s take: The Vikings had one bad game in their last six. The Falcons have had one good game in their last six. The Vikings have the better team on both sides of the ball, and (most importantly) it’s not really a big game for Minnesota. Which means they won’t stain their purple pants yellow.

Florio’s pick: Vikings 26, Falcons 18.

Rams at Bengals

MDS’s take: The Bengals went through a tough stretch the last couple weeks, but the Rams have been a brutally bad team on offense recently, and that should be just what Cincinnati needs to win a low-scoring game.

MDS’s pick: Bengals 13, Rams 6.

Florio’s take: After two straight losses, the Bengals are close to reacquiring the same, old “same old” prefix. Fortunately for Cincinnati, the Rams are falling apart at a much more dramatic and profound rate.

Florio’s pick: Bengals 31, Rams 15.

Saints at Texans

MDS’s take: When they’re not starting Ryan Mallett, the Texans are a pretty good team: They went 1-3 with Mallett starting, but they’re 4-2 in their other six games. Brian Hoyer should have a big game against the Saints’ bad defense, and the Texans will move to 6-5.

MDS’s pick: Texans 24, Saints 20.

Florio’s take: After two straight wins, it’s time to believe in the Texans. After two ugly losses, it’s time to not believe in the Saints. Which probably means the Saints will find a way to surprise us. Nevertheless, if the Texans are going to be a factor in the AFC South, they need to win this one.

Florio’s pick: Texans 24, Saints 20.

Buccaneers at Colts

MDS’s take: Both of these teams are coming off road wins last week and fighting for playoff berths, which makes this a pretty good game. I think the Colts will improve to 4-0 in games Matt Hasselbeck starts.

MDS’s pick: Colts 24, Buccaneers 17.

Florio’s take: The Colts are shaky and the Bucs are gaining confidence by the week. If Jameis Winston can stay healthy (which given his style of play could be a big if), Tampa Bay could find itself in the postseason.

Florio’s pick: Buccaneers 26, Colts 23.

Chargers at Jaguars

MDS’s take: The Jaguars remain right in the thick of things in the AFC South, while the Chargers are so beaten up that they’re just struggling to find 46 healthy bodies to throw out there on Sunday. Jacksonville should take this one and improve to 5-6.

MDS’s pick: Jaguars 30, Chargers 13.

Florio’s take: The Chargers are falling apart. The Jaguars are surprisingly competitive. Advantage: Team that is still playing for a playoff berth.

Florio’s pick: Jaguars 23, Chargers 13.

Bills at Chiefs

MDS’s take: The Chiefs are on a four-game winning streak and have won all four games handily. Despite a slow start, Kansas City has a good chance of making the playoffs, and they’ll knock off a potential wild-card rival with a win over the Bills.

MDS’s pick: Chiefs 21, Bills 20.

Florio’s take: The Bills have a short-week trip to a hostile environment, against one of the hottest teams in the league. Kansas City has come too far after a 1-5 start to stumble now.

Florio’s pick: Chiefs 27, Bills 17.

Dolphins at Jets

MDS’s take: Remember when Dan Campbell had turned the Dolphins around? That feels like a long time ago. The truth is, the Campbell Dolphins aren’t much different from the Joe Philbin Dolphins.

MDS’s pick: Jets 21, Dolphins 17.

Florio’s take: Previously, the Jets got Joe Philbin fired. New Dolphins coach Dan Campbell will show his appreciation by beating the Jets, who have fallen apart after a 4-1 start.

Florio’s pick: Dolphins 20, Jets 17.

Raiders at Titans

MDS’s take: The Raiders have taken a step backward after looking like playoff contenders early in the season, but they should still be good enough to win at Tennessee, where the Titans are the NFL’s only winless home team.

MDS’s pick: Raiders 38, Titans 24.

Florio’s take: The Titans aren’t as bad as their record indicates, and the Raiders have suddenly lost their way. It’s time for Marcus Mariota to pick up his third win.

Florio’s pick: Titans 27, Raiders 20.

Giants at Washington

MDS’s take: The winner of this game is in first place in the NFC East. It’s going to be a close, tough game that the Giants will pull out in the fourth quarter.

MDS’s pick: Giants 24, Washington 23.

Florio’s take: New York makes its final push to win the division, and to hold off the Cowboys. Washington will have little or no chance to capture the title with a loss.

Florio’s pick: Giants 23, Washington 17.

Cardinals at 49ers

MDS’s take: The Cardinals are closing in on the NFC West crown and will take another step in that direction with another division road win.

MDS’s pick: Cardinals 28, 49ers 17.

Florio’s take: Arizona beat Colin Kaepernick by 40 points. Blaine Gabbert will fare better, but not much.

Florio’s pick: Cardinals 40, 49ers 17.

Steelers at Seahawks

MDS’s take: This is close to a must-win game for the Seahawks for an NFC wild card berth, and it’s a big game for the Steelers for an AFC wild card berth as well. I think Seattle, playing at home, will turn in a good defensive effort and win a close one.

MDS’s pick: Seahawks 20, Steelers 17.

Florio’s take: Seattle needs another win, badly. Thomas Rawls has given the offense a huge boost, and the bye week gave them more time to figure out how to use Jimmy Graham. The Steelers remain viable contenders in the AFC, but it won’t be easy to pull out this one.

Florio’s pick: Seahawks 27, Steelers 24.

Patriots at Broncos

MDS’s take: The Broncos made the right call by replacing Peyton Manning with Brock Osweiler, but neither quarterback would lead Denver to a win over New England.

MDS’s pick: Patriots 24, Broncos 14.

Florio’s take: Gary Kubiak struggled against the Patriots during his time with the Texans, but he had the Patriots on the ropes in January as the offensive coordinator of the Ravens. Based on how well the Broncos played last time they hosted an unbeaten team on Sunday Night Football, and given how well Brock Osweiler fits the Kubiak offense, it could be time for New England’s run of perfection to end.

Florio’s pick: Broncos 27, Patriots 23.

Ravens at Browns

MDS’s take: The late-season Monday night slate has a lot of ugly games, and this is the ugliest. I like the Johnny Manziel-led Browns to beat the Matt Schaub-led Ravens.

MDS’s pick: Browns 20, Ravens 16.

Florio’s take: The King of the Pick Six is back, leading a team with seven losses in 10 games. It gives the Browns a rare chance to get a win in an even rarer Monday night appearance.

Florio’s pick: Browns 13, Ravens 10.

77 responses to “PFT’s Week 12 picks

  1. Despite this common misperception……the Patriots defense is #1 in points allowed in the NFL
    So Best defense, best QB….vs Brock who?

  2. The way my Lions are playing offense, my confidence is low, and I haven’t been fully trusting the D, though they’ve been playing great the last 2 games. Still, if that offense can score 3 TD’s, I like our chances.

    Ziggy, meet Sanchez.

  3. Great, now in addition to all of the post game whining from ravens fans, now we are gonna have to hear pre game whining because you both picked the Browns over the Ravens

  4. .
    It’s difficult to pick New England @ Denver since over the course of the last two weeks, both have become entirely different teams from the ones who began the season.

    I’d expect strong performances from both defenses. However on offense, Denver’s Osweiler is really an unknown. While the Patriots will have trouble fielding a cohesive offensive line and any semblance of a receiving corp.
    .

  5. Browns/Ravens has no business being televised anywhere this weekend, especially on a nationally-televised level. I can’t imagine even the most die-hard football fans would want to tune in.

    Browns 19
    Ravens 17

  6. Why post picks the day after it was announced (here, ironically) that cite Manziel as the starter when he’s been demoted to 3rd string?

    Also, I’m fairly sure everyone skips over all the “stats” on your weekly picks and scrolls to the games.

    Reading about your W-L picks record is about as intriguing as hearing about someone else’s fantasy football team.

  7. Vikings will win this game for sure. AP will run all day. One bad game against the yellow n cheese, people are dumping the Vikings. They will be back on top after 3-4 games. Defense win championship, remember this.

  8. As a Giants fan, this is exactly the type of game the Giants are fully capable of winning but are also one that they are likely to lose.

    This Giants team under Coughlin and Eli have not been known to underperform after a bye week.

    Nevertheless…

    GO Big Blue!!!

  9. Cowboys putting 27 up on Carolina?!?!?!

    HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHHHH HHHHHHHHAAA AAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  10. …and (most importantly) it’s not really a big game for Minnesota. Um, really?

    The Vikings are in second place, and as the fifth seed, find themselves going head-to-head against the sixth seed.

    In addition, their next two games are against Seattle at home (which is also fighting for a playoff spot) and four days after that, Arizona (away). If the Vikings lose this game, they may very well find themselves sitting at 7-6, having lost four straight. If they lose to Seattle and Atlanta, they’ll be sitting at best at #7 in the conference.

    This is a freaking HUGE game for the Vikings, and one they desperately need to win if they want to make the playoffs.

  11. Listen, I’m a Patriots fan… but I put down the kool-aid years ago. Brady and Belichick are great and Bill’s record against quarterback’s facing his defense for the first time speaks for itself, but Denver has quite the defense there at mile high as well. Patriots are clearly the better team on paper, but if Amendola can’t go and Brady is forced to make due with LaFell and Harper as Gronk will just be doubled and tripled again, it’s gonna be a long day for that offense. Denver wins this one, but they’ll see the Patriots again… when they hopefully have all of their players back to full health.

  12. codythao35 says:
    Nov 25, 2015 11:24 AM
    Vikings will win this game for sure. AP will run all day. One bad game against the yellow n cheese, people are dumping the Vikings. They will be back on top after 3-4 games. Defense win championship, remember this.
    ________________________________________________

    Zimmer’s “Defense” has given up an average of 32 points per game against GB since he got the HC job. Not going to win any championships that way. Expect AP to give the ball away at least twice on Sunday.

    Atl – 31
    Min – 16

  13. “New York makes its final push to win the division, and to hold off the Cowboys.”

    So the Giants are concerned about the one-game winning streak of America’s team, a streak that could easily be over when the Giants take the field?

  14. So the Colts win their last two, at home against the Broncos, on the road against the Falcons, and they are shaky. The Bucs win there last two, at home against the Matt Cassel led Cowboys, on the road against the dumpster fire known as the Eagles, and they are gaining confidence. Care to explain, or should we just overlook that your reasoning makes no sense whatsoever?

  15. Comment on Manziel. I’m positive former players like Paul Hornung and Kenny Stabler are happy they played in the era they played. These two guys were party animals and they played well on game days. In the 70’s John Madden had three rules, 1.) be on time, 2.) pay attention, and 3.) play like hell. The new NFL is soft and the game has totally changed. Madden’s top three today would probably be 1.) Don’t hit too hard, 2.) don’t be anywhere near a cell phone or a recording device, 3.) don’t swear of cause any kind of attention to yourself. I miss the old days. Punishing Manziel for having a good time is baffling. Punishing Manziel for poor play knowing he partied that night before makes sense, but come on, this is just ridiculous. This is much too much oversight on teams and the NFL.

  16. “they won’t stain their purple pants yellow”
    Best line in PFT history. It’s true tho, game at noon, the Vikes should be fine. America’s game of the week or any other primetime game… yeah I don’t like their chances in those games

  17. I don’t expect the Patriots to go undefeated, but they are playing with a will whereas the Broncos infamously lost to the Colts in the playoffs last year rather than be the team that had to go into Gillette to get smoked by the Champs. I think the offensive line will play better, and the Patriots will flow through a few critical Broncos errors like water.

  18. It’s not if the Vikings are playing an important game or not, it’s if they’re playing in front of a big audience. This season, they’re 6-0 when playing at noon and 1-3 when playing late afternoon or at night. This is why Viking fans have a bigger opinion on the Vikings than other fans, because other fans usually just see them when they’re falling flat no their faces.

    Still, you’re right that they wouldn’t want to stain their pants yellow, because then they would look like those ugly Packer uniforms.

  19. codythao35 says:
    Nov 25, 2015 11:24 AM

    Vikings will win this game for sure.
    __________________________________

    Unless of course, they don’t.
    Then it will be entirely because of the refs, right?

  20. Bears fan here and while I will watch the game to the bitter end, it won’t surprise me if it’s over by halftime. The Bears gave the Packers their best shot in the season opener and fell short, and that was in Chicago and with better players than they have now thanks to injuries and the Ratliff fiasco.

    Plus Rodgers just flat owns the Bears and I don’t see that changing… at least not this year. I hope I’m proven wrong.

  21. The year the Browns sweep the Ravens signifies the coming of the apocalypse. The Browns are in disaray and the play of Ravens D is much improved. Even with Schaub, the Ravens win this one. Ravens 20 Browns 13

  22. Cowboys will easily beat the Panthers, mainly because w/ Romo their a better team than the Panthers, look at the schedule of Carolina, whom have they played (GB?)…

  23. Considering how much trouble the Bills just gave Brady, I expect the defense to have a field day with Alex Smith. The question is can the offense do anything against that chiefs defense.

    I think they’ll do just enough. The Chiefs are good, but I don’t think they’re quite as strong as everyone is making them out to be. They beat the Lions before they started trying again, the steelers at home with Landry Jones, the hapless chargers, and the worst starting QB in the NFL in Peyton Manning. The Bills will be a tougher test. Bills win 20-17.

    (Unless Tyrod is out. EJ is not winning in KC.)

  24. bassplucker says:
    Nov 25, 2015 1:00 PM

    Bears fan here and while I will watch the game to the bitter end, it won’t surprise me if it’s over by halftime. The Bears gave the Packers their best shot in the season opener and fell short, and that was in Chicago and with better players than they have now thanks to injuries and the Ratliff fiasco.

    Plus Rodgers just flat owns the Bears and I don’t see that changing… at least not this year. I hope I’m proven wrong.
    _____________________________________

    The Bears have been completely snake bit with injuries from beginning to end.
    It has to be very trying to get your bearings straight, from week to week, while stitching together a patchwork lineup.

    But I’ve seen a flicker of hope within that organization.
    They made a good, solid move in hiring John Fox and it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see the Bears rebound in the very near future.

    I, for one, am not taking this game lightly.
    It’s an always difficult divisional game, and I would imagine Coach McCarthy is tattooing this notion on the brains of every one of his players.
    We are nearing December in the midst of a NFC North tour.
    It’s time to get back to work.

  25. It’s impossible to take someone seriously that would pick the Bucs over the Colts…. Especially when they give such a WEAK excuse as to why they would!

  26. Patriots have the #1 scoring defense in the league.

    I doubt denver is going to put 27 on them.

  27. IF the Packers win the game against the Bears Thursday, the teams will have exactly the same number of wins, losses, and ties in their head to head match-ups over the long history of this legendary rivalry. What’s also amazing is the Bears have scored just 11 more total points than the Packers in those games. It would not surprise me to see this virtually dead even as well by the end of the game.
    Go Pack Go

  28. truetrue85 says:
    Nov 25, 2015 11:51 AM

    Listen, I’m a Patriots fan… but I put down the kool-aid years ago. Brady and Belichick are great and Bill’s record against quarterback’s facing his defense for the first time speaks for itself, but Denver has quite the defense there at mile high as well. Patriots are clearly the better team on paper, but if Amendola can’t go and Brady is forced to make due with LaFell and Harper as Gronk will just be doubled and tripled again, it’s gonna be a long day for that offense. Denver wins this one, but they’ll see the Patriots again… when they hopefully have all of their players back to full health.

    —————-

    I thought about that, and I just can’t see Brady making the mistakes while Osweiler plays a clean game. Osweiler’s going to need to throw it because the Patriots aren’t going to let them run it. I think the Patriots win the turnover battle and the game. Brady will score on some short fields.

  29. crewchief15 says:
    Nov 25, 2015 1:17 PM

    Cowboys will easily beat the Panthers, mainly because w/ Romo their a better team than the Panthers, look at the schedule of Carolina, whom have they played (GB?)…

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    You can’t look at a 10-0 team and say they haven’t played anyone. That’s pretty representative of what the NFL is this year. Carolina are very good. Dallas, even with Romo have some pretty glaring holes. The running game they had last year is long gone and the Carolina defense is very good.

    Dallas can win, but Carolina should be favored by more that what they currently are.

  30. IF the Packers win the game against the Bears Thursday, the teams will have exactly the same number of wins, losses, and ties in their head to head match-ups over the long history of this legendary rivalry. What’s also amazing is the Bears have scored just 11 more total points than the Packers in those games. It would not surprise me to see this virtually dead even as well by the end of the game.
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    Yup and the thing that really grinds me as a Bears fan is that before the Aaron Rodgers era we held a pretty significant edge in that rivalry. People can say what they want about Rodgers but he has literally owned the last two of their head coaches (Lovie and Trestman) and is 1-0 against them in the John Fox era. That says something.

  31. raidercurt says:
    Nov 25, 2015 12:27 PM

    Comment on Manziel. I’m positive former players like Paul Hornung and Kenny Stabler are happy they played in the era they played. These two guys were party animals and they played well on game days. In the 70’s John Madden had three rules, 1.) be on time, 2.) pay attention, and 3.) play like hell. The new NFL is soft and the game has totally changed. Madden’s top three today would probably be 1.) Don’t hit too hard, 2.) don’t be anywhere near a cell phone or a recording device, 3.) don’t swear of cause any kind of attention to yourself. I miss the old days. Punishing Manziel for having a good time is baffling. Punishing Manziel for poor play knowing he partied that night before makes sense, but come on, this is just ridiculous. This is much too much oversight on teams and the NFL.

    ————–

    Way too much. I agree. If he didn’t do anything illegal and he didn’t do anything to break whatever commitments to the team he made about drinking (if any), then he should be able to do whatever he wants.

    That said, if he has a drinking problem which they helped him get past and then he went out drinking, that’s a bad cycle. Got to bench him. Shouldn’t be related to party photos.

  32. The last time the Seahawks scored against the Steelers, the year was 2006. Since then, Steelers are up 45-0.

    I’ll take the Stillers and the points.

  33. Sweet picks! Everyone else join me on my crusade to the end the kickoff/commercial sandwich. I can’t stand it anymore. You know after an extra point or a field goal we sit through a commercial break and then watch the kickoff and then are subject to another commercial break. Why can’t the offense just come right out on the field? Stop this NFL. I can’t take it anymore.

  34. The Broncos always beat the Patriots in Denver. The Broncos have a better defense and mile high homefield advantage. Broncos should win this one easily!

  35. coachkilla6 says:

    Zimmer’s “Defense” has given up an average of 32 points per game against GB since he got the HC job. Not going to win any championships that way. Expect AP to give the ball away at least twice on Sunday.

    —-

    Eh. One of those games (the one where the most points were given up) was with Christian Ponder at QB and the offense spending no time on the field as a result. Either way, it’s a 3 game sample size. Any realistic observer should look at the whole picture which sans 1 game, the Packers, paints a picture of, at worst, a top 10 defense.

    The Vikings main concern is the oline, as expected. They will live and die with how the oline plays. For Teddy to have enough time to pass he needs to be in the shotgun with little to no play action under center. For AP to get rolling, he needs Teddy to be under center. If the oline could block; the pass game and/or run game would open up. But they can’t consistently block which makes the Vikings one dimensional whether it’s run or pass.

  36. Can’t wait for Panthers-Cowboys. Several intriguing matchups – Cowboys O-line vs. Panthers D-line, Dez vs. Josh Norman, what will Cam be able to do, and Panthers O-line vs. Greg Hardy.

    Here’s your bold prediction of the week: Someone (or more than one) on the Panthers O-line will goad Hardy into a personal foul penalty that leads to the deciding touchdown as the Panthers win by 7.

  37. My gut tells me that having this as the Favre number retirement game Rodgers and Portly Schottenhiemer are going to do a face plant in the ground. Games that they really want to win they get too wound up and too high strung and they prat fall. Favre will likely get one last laugh at the Packers tomorrow night.

  38. First Florio starts picking the Fins to win. Now he picks pats to lose, whats going on? … Reverse curse?

  39. Both of you are WRONG on the Panthers -Cowboys game. The Cowboys will make stuffing out of the Panthers tomorrow. Cowboys 26 Panthers 7. HOW ABOUT THEM COWBOYS! !

  40. “After two straight losses, the Bengals are close to reacquiring the same, old “same old” prefix. Fortunately for Cincinnati, the Rams are falling apart at a much more dramatic and profound rate.”

    I didn’t realize that losing two games by a combined 7 points was falling apart and reacquiring the “same old” prefix.

    You do realize that they are 8-2, with one AFC loss, right? That is still good for the #2 seed. I guess I am ok with falling apart right now.

  41. Cardinals are going to massacre my niners but I think Gabbert will play better than Kap did. I don’t know why Tomsula doesn’t Atleast wear a hat, never seen a coach drenched with sweat like he just came out of a steam room.

  42. crewchief15 says:
    Nov 25, 2015 1:17 PM

    Cowboys will easily beat the Panthers, mainly because w/ Romo their a better team than the Panthers, look at the schedule of Carolina, whom have they played (GB?)…

    ***************************************************

    You are right, Romo is 2 pick 6’s better than Cam and the Panthers. Whom have they played?

  43. whereyaat says:
    Nov 25, 2015 2:55 PM
    Steelers 97, Seahawks 11. Seahawks still blame the refs though. Book it!
    ———–
    Hindsight is fun. Seeing a lot of Stealer fans blaming yesterday’s loss on the officiating. Just a regular season interconference game; it’s not like it was a Super Bowl or anything.

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