After Gronk knee injury, Brady says rules force low hits

AP

The Patriots had to finish last night’s game without tight end Rob Gronkowski, who suffered an injury when he took a hit to the knee. Patriots quarterback Tom Brady says those hits are the natural extension of the league’s emphasis on avoiding hits to the head.

Brady was asked if he thought the hit on Gronkowski was dirty, and Brady said he doesn’t think a player like Broncos safety Darian Stewart has any choice but to go low when trying to make a tackle.

“I hate to see it, but it’s really the only way for defenders to hit now. I bet if you asked a lot of players they’d probably rather you go high than low. You go low, that’s what happens. I don’t think it’s dirty, I just think that’s the way football is being played now,” Brady said.

Brady was visibly shaken after the game, although Gronkowski’s injury is not believed to be serious.

“It’s so hard to see guys get hurt like this,” Brady said. “Guys sacrifice their bodies and it’s hard to see your friends get taken down like that.”

And the NFL rules, while potentially reducing the number of head injuries, may increase the number of players taken down like Gronkowski was last night.

138 responses to “After Gronk knee injury, Brady says rules force low hits

  1. They should only flag launching into the receivers head. But they flag a normal tackle even if the reciever ducks at the last minute resulting in the hit.

  2. He is not lying here. The players know what they are signing up for in terms of getting hit and the dangers of CTE, yet they all still want to play and make millions. Don’t blame them. The onus should be on them, not the league. If you polled a large group of players, a large majority of them would say they would prefer to get hit up top than down low.

  3. There are just no easy answers.

    However, when there are no easy answers you need people a whole lot smarter than Goodell and the Jerry Jones Revue to run the show.

  4. 10 years from now this game will be long gone. Boy has society in this country become soft. What a shame.

  5. Actually…There was a hit on Gronk’s knees earlier in the game…that he was very lucky not to have his entire knee blown out. The hit that injured him not dirty,

    The NFL has really created a mess…micro managing everything to the point where players do not know how to hit, no one knows what a catch is….and officials have no shot @ consistancy….Thats all on the competition committee.

  6. Why was Brady visibly shaken?

    From years 2012 – 2014 Gronk had 1 OPI called on him.
    This season through 11 games he’s been called 5 times and they’ve been the “phantom” variety like we saw last night.

    The league is targeting Gronk.
    Brady would like to know who in the league office initiated that Gronk mandate to the refs.

  7. “kenchun24 says:
    Nov 24, 2015 12:44 PM

    One and doneskies. Only so many o-line injuries and top level skill position injuries an offense can take.

    Not even The Giants 4 Year Prophecy can save this team. Bills D was playing chess last night, Shady Brady was playing horseshoes with like 15 quit pass plays turf tossed after two seconds/sometimes longer. Their cream puff schedule playing a slew of weak sauce QBs & weak sauce teams now shows how cream puff their 10-0 is. Far more impressed with the Panthers, Cardinals, Bengals, even the Broncos with their #1 D now that Osweiler will give their offense a chance instead of INT laden Peyton. And the Steeler offense may be the best in the AFC even with a gimpy Big Ben.

    One and Donetriots, easy.”

    Yeah, I’m just gonna leave this right here. With I’m sure many more copy and paste reminders to the most annoying, paranoid and arrogantly delusional fanbase in all of pro-sports the next month or so.

  8. Tackling Gronkowski high is a recipe for getting shed and giving up more yards as he fumbles down field. The rules are the rules for everyone, there are a thousand tackles a weekend just like the one that Gronkowski was hurt on.
    I’ll bet the guys with brain wasting issues after their careers would tell you they would have preferred dealing with tackles down low versus head shots; if they are still able to communicate on that level.

  9. I think players would understand the rule modification more if the head to head contact was called more consistently. But he’s 100% correct, this is the new NFL.

  10. Stewart went straight for both Chandler’s and Gronk’s knees multiple times last night. Hightower also had his knee taken out with a questionable cut block. Broncos are really good at this stuff apparently.

  11. I was all ready to rip Tommy Terrific, but reading his quote, he’s completely right. Additionally, they were diving for Gronk’s legs all night. Concussions might be more damaging long-term, but these knee injuries certainly appear to be impacting careers more while the player is still playing.

  12. I am not a Patriots fan, but I have to admire how they use the next man up and still keep on winning. If not for a questionable holding call in the end zone the Pat’s could have come out of this game undefeated. As a Giant fan, I see my team fold when guys get hurt. Brady is the best QB I’ve ever seen as he just keeps playing great no matter who he throws to.

  13. Players do not have to throw their bodies recklessly at another players legs. There are other options available to a smaller player to effectively bring down larger players without injuring them. Those options are the shoestring tackle or hog tie. Where a defender wraps his arms around a players legs or feet and brings him down. It is a pretty effective tackling technique because it’s pretty hard to run without your legs. It used to be used all the time.

  14. I disagree with Brady on this a bit. I’m sure a lot of players would rather hit the upper body, but the Broncos were gunning for Gronk’s knees, and a few other players as well. What Denver was doing last night was just flat out dirty.

  15. Brady is right. It was not a dirty hit. But it does reflect the NFL’s lack of understanding of basic cause and effect. It’s reactionary at best.
    The NFL badly needs to get rid of Goodell and put someone in place that is more than just a mouthpiece. Goodell only knows how to put a press release together and even those rank below a college intern’s in quality. The NFL needs someone whose skills are those of a problem solver and not a guesser.
    But you know what the sad thing is? Goodell is going into the NFL office this morning gloating about how his attempts at parity are finally kicking in. He actually thinks all the players getting hurt are good for football. The man is scary. He is an ignorant narcissit. Get rid of him before any more damage is done.

    In the meantime, good luck and speedy recovery to all injured players on all teams.

  16. Tom is right, safety is not a concern of the NFL one guy gets hurt and there will be a hundred to replace him.

  17. Had Gronk not left the ground, the hit would have been hip to thigh high. The fact that he was in mid air and his knee struck the defender does not mean his knee was targeted.

  18. And in other news, the refs then threw a flag on Gronk for “illegal use of knee” so that the Broncos could get the ball back again.

    A quality win for the Orange, Black & White! Hell, they even attempted to make up an illegal substitution penalty on the Pats. Good job refs, Elway’s got your *cough* “game checks” waiting for you on the way out.

    On a neutral field, Pats win. Not even a question.

  19. “Oh look Brady complaining about rules after a loss…what else is ne”

    Oh look, an idiot who didn’t watch Brady’s after game press conference and is whining without any idea of what he actually said.

    A reporter asked if Brady thought the hit on Gronk was dirty and his response was very thoughtful actually.

  20. The refs screwed the Patriots. There is NO way Gronk should have been called for offensive pass interference. Just because everyone else gets called for that, Gronk hasn’t been called for that since he has been in the league. It is just wrong to flag him the same as everybody else. Forcing him to get open without pushing caused the injury!

  21. He was upset because he lost and he is a spoiled little brat who can’t deal with that like a mature adult. I think his team mates play so hard so they don’t have to put up with his tantrums.

  22. Let the haters hate……we can run the table the rest of the way, the pressure is off now to finish undefeated, and who cares, all that matters is getting back to the big game. Let Gronk heal up and be ready for the playoffs.

  23. The NFL rules are skewed to create more offense and the byproduct is more dangerous hits. If they allowed more pre-pass contact between the DBs and WRs it would slow down the game a bit (for the better). The issue is WRs are basically running free through the secondary unfettered and DBs are unloading on them bc it’s the only chance they have to “defend”.

  24. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. SHUT UP BRADY… YOU ARE THE REASON THE NFL CHANGED THE RULES IN THE FIRST PLACE. YOU ARE A WHINING SPOILED BRAT. RETIRE PLEASE.

  25. thing is, medical science can fully repair a knee, making it as good as new.

    can’t do that for the brain.

  26. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Nov 30, 2015 9:14 AM
    Cry baby. Osweiler owns you. Brady is praying he doesn’t play Denver in the playoffs because he’s going to be obliterated with Ware in the lineup.
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    Brady plays defense? Actually, Brady had better stats. Gee, maybe Pats will have their hurt players back in the line up too.

  27. Personally, I think the NFL should go directly to two-hand touch, and if that gets too violent, then go to one hand touch…there, solved.
    Thank God I got to watch (mid 50’s and on) the NFL before the lawyers became commissioners…

  28. I dont like to see defenders zero in on ball catchers and fly through the air smashing into knees. I personally dont think defenders feet should leave the ground unless its for a jump ball. In fact its a cowardly way to take a player down.

  29. As a Patriots fan I can see the future of football. No tackles and more importantly nobody loses. Everyone is 16-0 Err…20-0 (expanded season) and EVERYONE is an All Pro and Super Bowl MVP.

    The waist down is where you are suppose to tackle.

  30. I’m not sure where some of you commenters are getting the whining or excuse angles here. His comments are literally the opposite of this.

  31. NFL is about 5 seasons away from flag football.

    How else is a smaller guy going to take down a bigger guy?

  32. i love the comments chiding brady for complaining, when, in fact, he was not complaining at all. but these mindless reactions are what keep me coming back to this site.

  33. It’s always cool when another great player calls out Goodell for his dangerous policies. It’s no secret that concussions went UP after he eliminated kickoff returns. Turns out the extra plays from scrimmage were more dangerous.

    The NFL commissioner needs to make more thoughtful decisions. Goodell’s kneejerk reactions are deadening the game and maiming players and causing suicides. He’s a dangeropus man.

  34. Brady is correct in what he said. The other problem is that Gronk is a big guy and some 5’10” defender who is 100 lb less than Gronk, knows he can’t take Gronk straight up, so he has to go low. It wasn’t dirty, it’s just what these smaller defenders have to do. If you watch Gronk play, you know he runs over defenders, so the only way to get him is down low.

  35. He may be right in general, but the rules have nothing to do with why defenders go low on Gronk.

    They go low on Gronk because one does not tackle a Gronk-Sized individual with Gronk Strength and Gronk Speed by hitting them high.

  36. Brady could say he is donating his entire year’s salary to cancer research and the same bunch of morons would be in here talking crap about him. You people have completely lost it. The obsession is unhealthy.

  37. The fact the rules are now flagging anything halfway near the head has basically brought tackling back to where it had been for a very long time. The text book tackling technique for generations was to tackle low because it assured you’d be able to wrap up the guys legs and and nobody is bouncing off a big hit and still running if his legs are wrapped up. Every big hit you’ve ever seen where the runner kept going was the result of high tackling. And a guy the size of Gronk isn’t going to be brought down by guys barely half his size with high tackles.

  38. cobby231 says:
    Nov 30, 2015 9:39 AM
    Patriots complaining about the refs lol!

    Yes, it would be LOL if the Pats ever did complain about the refs, but the Pats have not voiced any complaints about the refs last night.

    The Pats are about hard work and preparation. No excuses. The Broncos won last night because they were the better team last night. Okay, so that is the Pats excuse, the Broncos were the better team.

    If you want to find someone complaining about the refs, check-in with Bruce Arians of the Cards who went off on the refs after winning his game.

  39. As a Giants fan, I don’t think you Pats fans should be upset at all by this loss. I mean you lost on the road in OT, with a skeleton crew on offense, and without your top two playmakers on defense.

    If anything, it just goes to show you how hard this team is to beat. At full strength, I can’t imagine anyone in the AFC coming close to beating you guys. So nut up, and take it on the chin. Looks like Gronkowski is gonna be fine, that’s a huge break. YOURE FREAKING 10-1!! Stop crying.

  40. the real point of emphasis should be that you have smaller guys in the defensive backfield and linebackers for that matter tackling basically a man the size of JJ Watt. If you go up high, you arent making that tackle cuz Gronk will run right through it. you have to go low so no Tom I dont think is an extension of the rules. Its just a smart football play to stop a player from getting YAC

  41. jrterrier5 says:
    Nov 30, 2015 9:07 AM

    It’s only because Brady is a class act & he doesn’t make excuses

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    Yup.

    Yet ANOTHER reason why reigning Super Bowl MVP, 3 time Super Bowl MVP and 2 time league MVP is the greatest of all time! 🙂

    You will never hear him make excuses or point fingers. Ever. GOAT QB’s don’t make excuses even if they are justified. That’s leadership. That’s the GOAT. That’s a guy I want as my QB every Sunday.

    🙂

  42. I thought all these injuries were just karma? That’s what fans of the Cheetahs been saying all year. Karma doesn’t feel too good when it pays you back, huh?

  43. I don’t think it was an intentionally dirty hit, unfortunately it’s what the game has become where players seem to be coached to launch themselves helmet first at a players legs/knees. Why not just take that out of the game? You tackle by wrapping up, whether that’s high, low or wherever. I realize that takes a lot of the “excitement” out of the game, and not sure how feasible it would be to officiate, but until something happens we’re going to continue to see a ton of blown out knees.

  44. These injuries are just a product of the sport. When you have big men slamming into each other, it’s beyond wishful thinking to believe that these things don’t happen from time to time. It’s just a matter of probability and time.

    Players get hurt without even being touched. You can’t predict it, no rules will ever prevent all injuries. That’s just the way it is.

  45. dingusgenius says:
    Nov 30, 2015 9:56 AM
    Brady could say he is donating his entire year’s salary to cancer research and the same bunch of morons would be in here talking crap about him. You people have completely lost it. The obsession is unhealthy.
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    Yes what he said ^^

    The Brady haters are all out in full force today…..but who leads in Pro -Bowl votes?

  46. The NFL must be glad for all the injuries to the Patriots players. If it wasn’t for injuries the Patriots would walk away with another Super Bowl.

  47. Soon enough “do goobers” will be allowed to regulate the sport out of existence. Until then, all we can do is watch. In 10 years, the NFL will be unrecognizable.

  48. When the idea is to “hit” the other player, rather than tackle the other player, injuries are going to be more prevalent whether you hit them high or hit them low.

  49. .
    This conversation could easily have been about Ben Roethlisberger. Why does he have a history of lower leg injuries? Because, like Gronk, he brushes would be tacklers off like dandruff. Therefore you have to hit him low.
    .

  50. In terms of head injuries think about this for a second.

    Ronda Rousey had a concussion during her last fight and UFC has medically suspended her for 180 days unless she has a CT scan to show she didn’t suffer a concussion.

    180 days. Most NFL players are cleared after 6 days to be ready the next week, or at most 13 days.

    Absolutely pathetic.

  51. “Broncos are really good at this stuff apparently.”

    The Broncos were constantly called the dirtiest team in the league in regards to cut blocking when Shanahan was coach. Something Elway & Kubiak know well as Kubs was the OC in those years. Maybe they are coaching it?

  52. They should only flag launching into the receivers head. But they flag a normal tackle even if the reciever ducks at the last minute resulting in the hit.

    ———————————————

    While I agree with you, do we really trust the officials with more judgement calls when it seems the quality of the officiating is at an all time low?

  53. My first thought after the game ended was good, now we can concentrate on the big prize. With 6 of 11 starters on offense out and 2 of the best defensive players out too taking Denver to OT in Denver was about as good as could have been hoped for. Let NE get healthy for the playoffs and we’ll see the team we saw in the first half of the season again. As for all you complaining that Brady whines your full of condensed jealousy packed in pure BS. He didn’t whine, he thoughtfully answered a question asked. How many of you haters thought he could drive the team to the tying field goal with a minute left, no timeouts and next to nothing for skill position players left? As usual he did his job only to be let down by his defense. If you can’t allow yourself to acknowledge the greatness that Brady has shown year in and year out that’s on you. Having lived through an 18-1 season I’m here to tell you if NE finishes 18-1 again this year it will be the best year ever in NE. I have never been more proud of the Patriots than this year. What a tough, gritty bunch of men.

  54. “So Tom, going low is wrong but cheating is ok??”

    “Why is he doing that? Didn’t think do.”

    Just wanted to take a minute to remind you two not to forget to strap your helmets on before leaving the house this morning. =)

  55. Viruses to players.
    Lewis injury.
    Edelman injury.
    Amendola injury.
    Now Gronk blowing out his knee.
    The embarrassing loss last night.

    It appears Karma is finally catching up to the Pats for deflategate and years of cheating.

  56. gotitan says:
    Nov 30, 2015 8:58 AM

    I thought they were going 19-0? ****
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    They were trying to.

    It’s better that trying to go 0-16, which seems to be how the Titans approach every season.

  57. The first problem the NFL has is the emphasis all its players (and coaches) (and commentators) put on “hitting” instead of tackling. Could guys make sure defensive plays by putting a shoulder into the ball carrier’s hips and wrapping up? Yes. But that’s not what they’re after. Going high, going low–the purpose, in either case, is to deliver a hard blow, with an actual tackle being just the happy byproduct of said hard blow. If the hitting vs. tackling issue can be addressed in any meaningful way, it will reduce the number of concussions AND blown-out knees.

    As for the loss, it doesn’t break my heart. The Broncos needed everything they had, at home, to beat a seriously depleted Patriots squad in OT. We’re 10-1, still in the playoffs driver’s seat, and stand to get healthier for the postseason. No worries.

  58. This is what happens when Goodell let the lawyers run the league after the concussion lawsuits.

    Also, NFL players need tackling lessons from rugby players where you can’t hit the head or tackle the knees. They also wrap up, which many NFL players have forgotten how to do.

  59. Remember the hit on Tom a few years ago that put him out for the season, after him crying about it (which was hits that other players endure) was the beginning of all this where to and not to hit bs.

  60. WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT

    The QB for the team most notorious in the entire NFL for cheating is now saying the “RULES” are a problem?

    Since when did the Patriots ever follow the rules to begin with.

    It’s only funny because it’s true. #Championhypocrite

  61. 1. Phantom holding in End Zone, nullifying a 14-yd sack
    2. Phantom OPI
    3. Phantom non-holding (Talib on LaFell, first scrimmage play of OT and ONLY play of the game not shown on replay.)
    4. Very high hit on Brady late in game
    5. Von Miller skilled, but missing a few brain cells (ever hear him speak?)
    6. The idiot who said Osweiler owns Brady is, well, an idiot
    7. Good discipline by BB and TB after game – not criticizing officials; one of the worst officiated games of 2015 – even with the Detroit/Seattle competition
    8. And in spite of the Denver celebrations late in the quarter, Brady brings the no-names back for a tying field goal; and what was the deal with the clock running for a Broncos injury with 42 seconds left?? A fourth illegal timeout – but clock ran off 17 more seconds? Could have gotten to end zone. Only ones who suffered were the Pats on that weird explanation – even Collinsworth was flummoxed.
    9. Denver fumbles three times and recovers them all. Denver should have lost when their PR guy muffed a punt exactly as Harper did; who are these special teams coaches anyway? You’d never see me near a ball in bad conditions unless I absolutely HAD to return it. 1 points up, and you give up a short field.
    10. If I were a Broncos fan, I’d enjoy the moment – because that is all it will be.
    9.

  62. Ronda Rousey had a concussion during her last fight and UFC has medically suspended her for 180 days unless she has a CT scan to show she didn’t suffer a concussion.

    180 days. Most NFL players are cleared after 6 days to be ready the next week, or at most 13 days.

    Absolutely pathetic.

    The difference is, the world desperately needs a 6-month break from that obnoxious, self-promoting, preening, overblown hype-machine-ess.

    The NFL has to fill air time every week.

  63. sbchampsagain says:
    Nov 30, 2015 10:50 AM

    Viruses to players.
    Lewis injury.
    Edelman injury.
    Amendola injury.
    Now Gronk blowing out his knee.
    The embarrassing loss last night.

    It appears Karma is finally catching up to the Pats for deflategate and years of cheating.
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    In what way was last night’s loss embarrassing?

    They’re 10-1. I wish my team had karma like that.

  64. IS EVERYONE STUPID?! Brady is saying that low hits are OK!!! He is not complaining. How come so many of you Pats haters can’t read? Goes to show how little we think of your comments when we can see that third grade reading comprehension waived “bye-bye” a long time ago.

  65. I have never seen a player whine as much as Brady after a loss. Good Lord. You cannot win them all. He cries and cries, no wonder everyone hates him

  66. ufanforreal says:
    Nov 30, 2015 11:27 AM
    Remember the hit on Tom a few years ago that put him out for the season, after him crying about it (which was hits that other players endure) was the beginning of all this where to and not to hit bs.
    ==================================

    Actually, Brady never said anything about the hit. And the rule you’re referencing is known as the Carson Palmer rule, since it was put into effect following Palmer having his knee blown out by a low, but legal hit from the Steelers.

    The rule was in effect BEFORE Brady’s injury.

  67. In 2025, they’ll be a class action lawsuit from every NFL player who’s had a knee injury. Then the league turns to flag football since you can’t hit high or low.

  68. Good game. Lot of fun. Hate to see all the injuries.
    and the greedy commish and owners want to add more games to the schedule? Teams can’t get through the season now with the players they have. Ya there solution is we just add more players to each team and kick the salary cap up.

    The fans problem with that is then we end up with a hoard of 7th round and undrafteds added to each team since there really is barely two rounds now of good players. So we wind up with guys who can’t run, can’t pass, can’t tackle, can’t be coached and we call that quality football.

  69. Whoever said Brady should donate his whole check to cancer research. We’ll Skippy, perhaps you should organize a group of pro quarterbacks, not just a heckle to Brady, to donate all their checks to cancer research.

    Better yet. Bill Gates has his organizations and programs he gives money to for the betterment of the world. Well, If Mr. “66. Billion Dollar Man” Gates really wanted to make a difference for mankind, he would donate his $66,000,000,000 to find a cure for cancer. His kind of money could find it but it is not in his drug company buddies best interest to find a cure. There is too much money to be made selling unsuccessful medications to dying patients.

    Bottom line – – – – Bill Gates – do something really good with your money. Forget this little group here and that bigger group there. Take your money and beat cancer. There, I called him out and see what he does. Standing before his maker he can say, I helped the blind develop better braille or I helped make wheel chairs more accessible with more ramps too, or build libraries around the country. Or he could say, I took all the good you brought me and used it to cure cancer. Which will carry more weight. People who think God is myth ignore this and there is no need to respond because it does not concern you. I would rather be remembered as the guy who gave everything to beat cancer, win or lose but most likely win.

  70. Did anyone else see a Denver player literally launch up into Brady’s head last night or was I just dreaming that? The people asleep last night were the officials. Week in, week out it’s those incompetent boobs costing team after team hard fought wins and playoff positions. As fans we are left to put up with the nonsense. Pardon me while I turn to a wall and yell out FIX IT GOODELL!!! The wall listened, Goodell smugly grins as he cashes his mega checks. One digit salute held up high for all the fans to see.

  71. “I hate to see it, but it’s really the only way for defenders to hit now. … You go low, that’s what happens. I don’t think it’s dirty, I just think that’s the way football is being played now,” Brady said.
    __________________

    ” … that’s the way football is being played now” ?When I played (many years ago) in high school and college players were taught to hit low and wrap up. That’s old school, Brady.

  72. “I hate to see it, but it’s really the only way for defenders to hit now. I bet if you asked a lot of players they’d probably rather you go high than low.”

    Brady knows you can’t tackle Gronk if you go high however when Vonn Miller goes headhunting on the QB he’s the first to display his petulant behavior by screaming at the nearest ref.

    You can’t have it both ways.

  73. senatorblutarsky says:
    Nov 30, 2015 12:27 PM
    “I hate to see it, but it’s really the only way for defenders to hit now. … You go low, that’s what happens. I don’t think it’s dirty, I just think that’s the way football is being played now,” Brady said.
    __________________

    ” … that’s the way football is being played now” ?When I played (many years ago) in high school and college players were taught to hit low and wrap up. That’s old school, Brady.
    ==========

    If you saw a defender “wrapping up” on that play, you’re the only one.

  74. imodan says:
    Nov 30, 2015 12:26 PM

    Did anyone else see a Denver player literally launch up into Brady’s head last night or was I just dreaming that?
    ——————————

    Don’t remember that, but that dirty scumbag Von Miller should have been ejected for that late hit on Brady when he led with his helmet.

    Hopefully a fine and suspension is forthcoming.

  75. sbchampsagain says:
    Nov 30, 2015 1:09 PM

    All these injuries has to be Karma is coming back to haunt the Patriots for cheating.
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    Oh yeah? I guess the same can be said for the Broncos, aka the cheatingest organization in the NFL.

  76. Congrats to the Broncos on a clean, well played and deserved win.

    Amazing that a rookie QB and such a depleted team could have that much success against the Patriots.

  77. Patriots fan here.

    Gronk jumped. It was impossible for Stewart to go high anyway. And it was not even him tackling Gronk that caused the injury. It was Gronk’s leg going forward.

    They should look at other rules like the offensive interference, the holding and the “extra timeout”… just saying…

  78. Hat’s off to the Patriots.
    It doesn’t run often but when it does, they also have the best Excuse Machine in the country.

  79. bert1913 says:
    Nov 30, 2015 1:22 PM

    why does Brady have problems with rules?
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    What’s wrong with a player caring about the integrity of the game? Someone has to, since it’s obvious that the NFL itself doesn’t.

  80. and what was the deal with the clock running for a Broncos injury with 42 seconds left?? A fourth illegal timeout – but clock ran off 17 more seconds? Could have gotten to end zone. Only ones who suffered were the Pats on that weird explanation – even Collinsworth was flummoxed.

    —-

    That fourth timeout wasn’t “illegal” because a DEFENSIVE player was injured. Since it was a DEFENSIVE player, the clock gets stopped with a fourth LEGAL timeout granted to get the player off the field. The timeout is completely legal.

    What BB and Brady failed to know, is the the game clock restarts when the player is off the field and the the refs run the play clock. I believe Tom said something last year about the Ravens needing to learn the rule book.. Maybe he needs a refresher himself.

    And Collinsworth being flummoxed is par for the course.

  81. jjackwagon says:
    Nov 30, 2015 1:24 PM

    Hat’s off to the Patriots.
    It doesn’t run often but when it does, they also have the best Excuse Machine in the country.
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    Exactly what excuses have the Patriots given for any losses? Ever?

    The team, that is, and not the fans.

  82. NFL’s rules enforcement is emphasizing the low tackle to eliminate head contact – so instead of risking a concussion they are mandating potential career ending leg injuries.

  83. whywerule says:
    Nov 30, 2015 10:03 AM
    cobby231 says:
    Nov 30, 2015 9:39 AM
    Patriots complaining about the refs lol!

    Yes, it would be LOL if the Pats ever did complain about the refs, but the Pats have not voiced any complaints about the refs last night.

    The Pats are about hard work and preparation. No excuses. The Broncos won last night because they were the better team last night. Okay, so that is the Pats excuse, the Broncos were the better team.

    If you want to find someone complaining about the refs, check-in with Bruce Arians of the Cards who went off on the refs after winning his game.
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    Arians had every reason to criticize the refs. They were atrocious for both teams. Six minute delay and they couldn’t even get the down & distance right on a penalty.

  84. “This season through 11 games he’s been called 5 times and they’ve been the “phantom” variety like we saw last night”

    Five penalties called against him in 11 games and the league is “targeting” Gronkowski? Give me a break! The penalties are a result of confused officials who are afraid NOT to call a penalty, for fear of being disciplined by Goodell and his henchmen. They’re not a result of any master plan by the NFL to get back at the Patriots for DeflateGate.

  85. Brady was asked if he thought the hit on Gronkowski was dirty, and Brady said he doesn’t think a player like Broncos safety Darian Stewart has any choice but to go low when trying to make a tackle.

    “I hate to see it, but it’s really the only way for defenders to hit now. I bet if you asked a lot of players they’d probably rather you go high than low. You go low, that’s what happens. I don’t think it’s dirty, I just think that’s the way football is being played now,” Brady said

    How does someone read this and come to the conclusion Brady is complaining?

    Oh, wait, never mind. I get it now. Hateroids saw the name Brady and stopped thinking and their nonsense gland took over.

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