Mike Zimmer: We’re not as good as we think we are

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After Sunday’s blowout loss to the Seahawks, Vikings running back Adrian Peterson said that the team was outplayed and outcoached by the visitors from Seattle.

Coach Mike Zimmer sent a pretty similar message during a postgame press conference that didn’t need many words for him to express how he was feeling. Zimmer said the only positive to take from the game that it was over and deemed “offense, defense, special teams” to be his biggest concern about the team in the wake of the performance. Zimmer also intimated that the team may have gotten too complacent after moving to 8-3 last weekend.

“Yeah, we’re not quite as good as what we think we are,” Zimmer said. “Especially if we don’t play the way we’re capable of playing we’re definitely not as good as what we think we are.”

Zimmer said “maybe” when asked if he saw something during the week to make him think that the team was feeling too confident in themselves, but opted not to elaborate on that answer. Whatever Zimmer noticed, he has to hope that the pounding on Sunday doesn’t overtake the team’s mindset during a quick turnaround before Thursday’s game against the Cardinals.

85 responses to “Mike Zimmer: We’re not as good as we think we are

  1. This team needs a fire-amp-it-up guy. Way too much talent to get demolished.

    This is a team that contained the Raiders offense. Put points on the Broncos defense. Made Julio Jones look mortal.

    I love how humble some of our guys are, and love how they’d rather play than talk, but we need a Cam Newton or Dez Bryant type that can hype up his teammates. Ray Lewis would be great, ha!

  2. Teddy is running for his life because our oline is terrible. That being said, I’m starting to wonder if the kid has it. Lots of wr’s open and he doesn’t pull the trigger. His check down game is wearing very thin on me. Carr would be slinging it.

  3. It’s pretty simple really. You were missing your best players at every level in the defense. And most likely will be without them again on Thursday. Nobody is going to take it easy on you because your team is injured. The Vikings have to weather the storm. Steal one in Phoenix, and the season is still looking great.

  4. Classic case of an overachiever crashing back to reality. Unfortunately my favorite team still has no quarterback. Pathetic.

  5. Vikings in 3 games that had national or close to national coverage

    outscored 98-23….and 7 of those pts came on a kick return.

    I’ve been a fan of this team for 45 years now and essentially it’s been mostly disappointment with a few periods of delusion.

    Each new coach or GM comes along and you have hope. Each new QB comes along and you hope…but it’s always the same…they lose in the most embarrassing ways with the most people watching. They are a pox on my life.

  6. Well, there’s not much to say after a loss like that. One thing has become increasingly clear: opposing teams have figured out that the Viking OL can’t pass-block to save it’s life, and their dedicating everything they have to stopping the run.

    I don’t see that problem getting fixed before next year. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Vikings didn’t win another game this season.

  7. When is he going to realize that Norv needs to be fired and Bridgewater is not good enough to win big games when the team needs him to. He’s going to lose this team if things don’t get fixed. Rodgers and Bridgewater are some what similar but Rodger sucks more. I mean 3 qrts of shut out by Lions? Seahawks, I can understand.

  8. When is he going to realize that Norv needs to be fired and Bridgewater is not good enough to win big games when the team needs him to. He’s going to lose this team if things don’t get fixed. Rodgers and Bridgewater are some what similar but Rodger sucks more. I mean 3 qrts of shut out by Lions? Seahawks, I can understand. Put in Heinicke for a try.

  9. The NFC North was a tough division, but now even the Packers are weaker. The Vikings record is just a reflection of a softer schedule. I will admit they are much improved though.

  10. Good morning Queen Nation! Welcome to Wild Card country! How embarrassed will you be when your team misses the playoffs and your GOAT QB doesn’t get a single vote for the Pro Bowl??? As always, Queen Nation is all mouth and no fist. Keep up the good work. Maybe next year the Queens can beat a team with .500 record or better.

  11. When is he going to realize that Norv needs to be fired and Bridgewater is not good enough to win big games when the team needs him to. He’s going to lose this team if things don’t get fixed. Rodgers and Bridgewater are some what similar but Rodger sucks more. I mean 3 qrts of shut out by Lions? Seahawks, I can understand. Put in Heinicke for a try.

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    First, what does this article have to do with the Packers? Second, the Packers beat the Seahawks…so there is really no relevance to your comment.

  12. If the Vikings think that they’re better than absolutely sucking, they’re not as good as they think they are. Tell me the last time you’ve ever seen an 8-3 football team manhandled like that. They’re an embarrassment.

  13. I’ve been saying all year that the Vikings didn’t have enough offense to make any noise in the playoffs. Same can be said for the Packers. Yet Vikings “fans” ridiculed me for that statement.

    The Vikings “good” wins this year are against the 7-5 Chiefs, 6-6 Falcons (although they are terrible) and the 5-7 Raiders. Anytime they play in primetime or against a good team they get embarrassed. Badly.

    I still don’t understand why so many think MN has found their franchise QB in Teddy Turnover. The kid is just not good. Rarely escapes the rush, no pocket presence. Can’t throw more than 40 yards – literally. He is a tough SOB, I’ll give him that. 24 games played – 22 TD’s 20 INT’s. 8 fumbles with 2 of those being lost. Including his rushing TD’s he has 25 TD’s and 22 INT’s. He’s thrown for over 300 yards only 4 times and hasn’t had a game with more than 2 passing TD’s. I’ve yet to watch a game and come away thinking he’s a stud. He doesn’t make big time throws and can’t win a big game.

    Remember when Florio claimed the Vikings have the “best WR corp” in the league? HAHAHAHAH!!! WTF was he smoking that morning?

  14. I absolutely agree with coach Zimmer.
    This team is weak in the most important area – offensive line.

    It doesn’t help that the QB hasn’t figured things out yet. Holding onto the ball for over 3 seconds indicates you have no read on the defense and don’t know what to do. The great ones make pre-snap reads and know exactly where the ball has to go or what checks are needed. It frustrates me when Teddy tries to make his reads post-snap. Really?

    Teddy! Take note from Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Luck, and the likes……These guys spend hours studying defenses. On game day, their pre-snap reads are excellent, allowing them to get the ball out quickly. Oh and note how they break the huddle with plenty of time on the play clock and use the hard count to force defenses to show…

    Teddy it’s not illegal to stretch the field okay. Especially with AP drawing defenses in. Fix your throwing mechanics and beef up during the off season. This will help your deep ball accuracy. You can’t have your elbow in a hole on your release. No mechanical leverage in doing that.

    P.S. I’m not being hard on you Teddy. There’s work to be done to achieve greatness. While you’re at it, I would like to see fiery passion from you on game day.

    That’s all I want for Christmas…………..

  15. I predicted 9-7 before the season and was a bit surprised at their record. I think they have overachieved a bit and are now coming back to earth. They are still a year or two away from being a top team. The offensive line clearly needs to be addressed during the offseason.

    But the bigger concern is Bridgewater, he has clearly taken steps backward. He holds the ball longer than any QB in the league now and can’t seem to see anyone beyond 5 or 10 yards and is near the bottom in yards per pass.

  16. Quit Drafting Frigging Quarterbacks on a “Feeling”
    Bridgewater over Carr because he has a big Heart,
    Never mind he couldn’t hit a receiver at his Pro Day! and Jackson because he ran out to take over for an injured QB in the Bitter Cold, without complaining!
    The fact HE WAS the backup should have been enough!!
    At least Ponder had 7, 300 yard, and a BUNCH of 200+ yard games in 2 1/2 years with THAT God Awful line! At least he tried to hit receivers and not hold onto it to scramble, or throw it away!! Bridgewater can hardly hit 140!!!
    Turner is over the hill in the League, and out of touch!
    He doesn’t even CALL Go Routs anymore!

  17. It’s got to be obvious by now…Bridgewater is no better than Ponder. He’s not the answer. There’s no fire in his game. There’s no confidence in his game. He walks on and off the field with his head down like scared little kid. I seriously doubt he could throw the ball hard enough to knock down the milk bottles at the carnival. His deep passing touch is non existent. Some of the blame goes to Norv Turner. The NFL has passed you by Norv. You are soooooo predictable with your calls. Same old same old week in week out. Zimmer has to know you just can’t cut it anymore. Time to hang it up Norv. Time for someone with some innovation to run this offense. The talent is there but it’s no being used.

  18. It might be time to start that Heinicke kid. You have to think that if there was any chance Teddy could complete some long, or even mid-range, passes, that the Vikes would be slinging it everywhere at this point. The fact that they aren’t makes my think that Teddy might just not have what it takes. I guess we should at least see what we have in Heinicke. Who knows, if he is good, we could still make a run in the playoffs. I don’t see us getting very far with Teddy, even if by some miracle we get a wildcard berth.

  19. I agree with Zimmer’s take, but let’s not forget the best players on the team at all 3 levels on defense were out, and their back ups are simply not good football players. This team is too thin to lose that many guys on defense and compete with the tops teams. If you watch the plays that Seattle made on offense, nearly every one of them was beating a back up scrub. I was getting a kick out of the fans around here thinking this team had a chance to make a deep playoff run. Talk about delusional. The team is improving and I think Zimmer will go down as a great coach, but they aren’t that good yet. Teddy is showing promise at times, but he’s also showing some big flaws at times too. I get the o-line stinks, but good QBs deal with it and still make plays. Sadly, Teddy reminded me of Ponder yesterday and that’s a scary thought!

  20. You gotta love Zim, though. Man just says it like it is. FIrst Vikings coach in my life I’ve had the pleasure of believing in. (too young to remember Bud Grant)

  21. I’d be infinitely more frightened of the Vikings if they had Bortles, Manziel or Carr. Teddy, with a good defense and the NFLs leading rusher forcing 8 man boxes, is still am ineffective option.

    The Vikings are quickly approaching QB purgatory like the Texans Jets and Bills where the QB has just enough talent to finish middle of the pack so they can’t get a high enough draft position to get a real difference maker.

  22. Listen to you viking fans. Jumping off your bandwagon already. Settle down. It’s only his 1st full year as a starter. Baby hands will get better. You overachieved the first half of the season because of an easy schedule. Now reality sets in. I’ve said it before and will say it again. You 1 or 2 years away from being really good. Not yet though.

  23. The Vikings struggle with big backs and mobile QB’s. Palmer is tailor made for their D. They will look like a different team and win the next 3 in a row. Then get worked by the Pack again. Who cares. The Cardinals got blown out 3 times including a 41 point loss to the Pats and made the SuperBowl. Not worried at all. They need to figure out how to play against QB’s who leave the pocket. They break off coverage too early. It can be easily fixed by deploying a spy on the QB that can tackle and staying on the receivers. Easy fix. The Colts had the same problem, fixed it in 2 weeks and won the SB. It can be done and hopefully will be.

  24. I don’t like kicking anyone when they are down but I do find it funny that the MN fans blasted us all week about preparation, video games, and throwing the young guys under the bus. How apropos is it that after a humiliating loss we hear about a lack of preparation and AP is throwing the coach under the bus. The football gods have a sense of humor it seems! That being said, Zim is a good coach and TB did get you guys to 8-3….don’t over-react just yet. Everyone has a bad game once in awhile.

  25. warrioragent says:
    Dec 7, 2015 9:46 AM

    I agree with Zimmer’s take, but let’s not forget the best players on the team at all 3 levels on defense were out, and their back ups are simply not good football players. This team is too thin to lose that many guys on defense and compete with the tops teams. If you watch the plays that Seattle made on offense, nearly every one of them was beating a back up scrub. I was getting a kick out of the fans around here thinking this team had a chance to make a deep playoff run. Talk about delusional. The team is improving and I think Zimmer will go down as a great coach, but they aren’t that good yet. Teddy is showing promise at times, but he’s also showing some big flaws at times too. I get the o-line stinks, but good QBs deal with it and still make plays. Sadly, Teddy reminded me of Ponder yesterday and that’s a scary thought!
    ===================================Sorry but I disagree, The Offense didn’t score a SINGLE POINT! It is EMBARRASSING!
    If the Offense could have put ANY drives together
    Seattle couldn’t have scored 38 points.
    A Team in the NFL HAS to be able to score 30 points… We can hardly score 10 against good teams.
    We have a good defense when healthy, but we cannot let the Defense carry the team.
    Both Turners need replaced, lets give Teddy a chance with a QB Coach that was at least an NFL Quarterback, not just because the OC is his Daddy
    Our OC is out of touch and QB Coach never was.

  26. Hey guess what Vikings and Packer fans? the Seahawks are better than both of your team’s put together. Enjoy you one-game playoff run, whichever crap team between the two of you limps into the division championship.

    But Vikings fans shouldn’t take it too hard. Seahawks would have beaten any team in the NFL yesterday just as bad.

    THE SEAHAWKS ARE COMING FOR ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!

  27. I’ve watched several Vikings games this year and while Zimmer is building an impressive young team, I can’t see them ever “getting over the hump” with Bridgewater at QB. I really can’t see anything positive that he does well. Looks like another reach by their GM Speilman who can’t seem to judge QB talent.

  28. Bridgewater is a garbage, that is their problem. Not to mention, as good as AP is, him not being a receiving threat hurts them tremendously.

  29. grinhea says:
    Dec 7, 2015 9:12 AM

    the Packers beat the Seahawks

    )))))))))))))))

    Kam didn’t play that game. They will beat you again in the playoffs if you are lucky enough to meet them then.

  30. pkrlvr says:
    Dec 7, 2015 10:11 AM
    I don’t like kicking anyone when they are down but I do find it funny that the MN fans blasted us all week about preparation, video games, and throwing the young guys under the bus.
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    I liked the latter half of your post. But don’t forget, it was the press and your own QB that blasted your team for the reasons you state. Sure, the PFT crowd piled on, but still…

  31. A couple of things nobody had Minnesota doing a thing this year. Not sure why all the hostility for this young and up and coming team stems from. Also I would remind people they are 8-4 and in first place in the division. Nobody saw that before the season started. I get the packer fans hate. The packers went 6-0 the packer fans were all talking going to the SB for sure. The packers played Seattle at the right time. No Kam. The packer fans should have wanted Minnesota to win yesterday. That would have made it harder for the Seahawks to get in the playoffs.They didn’t see the big picture. If Seattle get in the playoffs and they seem to be in. Seattle with the way they are playing right now. The Seahawks will beat the packers again in the playoffs.

  32. thegreenandcold says:
    Dec 7, 2015 10:02 AM
    I’d be infinitely more frightened of the Vikings if they had Bortles, Manziel or Carr.
    ————
    Bortles has a 7-21 career record.
    Manziel is a drunk idiot.
    And Carr threw 3 picks just yesterday for his losing team.

    None of that strikes fear in any opponent.

  33. Packers 8-4
    Vikings 8-4
    Seahawks 7-5

    Panthers and Cards probably first round byes.
    Let’s go ahead and say the Packers win the division and host a wildcard team. If things remain the same, that team is the Seahawks. That’s probably a round 1 loss for the Packers.

    Now, I’ve said all along that the Vikings would make the playoffs and lose in round 1 this year. But the Packers seem to think they are SB bound. I’d be happy to take the 5th wildcard spot and play on the road at Redskins/Eagles/Giants, rather than host the Seahawks.

  34. Duh. the team can win games against bad teams but appears ahead of schedule and still might need to draft a franchise quarterback. again.

    There’s a lot of young talent when healthy on defense… on offense, not so much.

    and why are packer fans laughing? they needed the refs and a last second desperation pass just to beat the lions. Hey packer fans, if even you make the playoffs there’s no way you’ll get past Seattle, Carolina or Arizona.

  35. I said at the beginning of the season that we were a 9 win team, and downgraded it to 8 wins when 2/5ths of the O-line was lost for the year. Teddy was never going to be elite, but he sure has regressed with all the defensive pressure. Now we head to AZ with our 3 best defenders on the shelf, so it will likely be ugly for another week.

    The Vikings are a good, not great team, incapable of beating playoff caliber teams when they don’t play perfect. Yet, they’ve won 8 games, and as bad as the rest of the NFC is, it is likely they can still make the playoffs with 9 wins. That’s better than I figured at the start of the season, so things don’t suck that bad. We’ve got the same record as certain teams that expected to be Super Bowl contenders.

  36. Kam didn’t play that game. They will beat you again in the playoffs if you are lucky enough to meet them then.
    ————
    Ummmm…..yeah, OK. Is he a good player? Sure. But if you think he is some sort of savior, you’re delusional. That would be like Packer fans saying that that their RT and starting Safety were out that game, so with them they will beat them again.

    Even in the NFCCG it took about 5 improbable failures by the Packers to give away the game they owned the Hawks in throughout. In fact, they had a 99.9% probability of winning based on the stats and the score at the time they gave it away, so that’s not even fan bias at play.

  37. I think a lot of people forget that this is only the second year of having Zimmer as our head coach. We also have a quarterback who is in his second year. We have been overachieving with this team thus far and that’s great to see regarding the future. You were delusional if you thought this team had a chance to win the Super Bowl this year. Playoffs are obviously still a possibility which is a huge step from last year.

    2013: 5-10-1
    2014: 7-9
    2015: TBD but already at 8 wins.

    That is called progression. We all just need to take a giant breath and watch this team progress. Yes, we got stomped by the Seahawks (who are looking really good), but this team would dominate the team from last season.

  38. I think Vikings fans might be schizophrenic. One day we are all calling Norv an offensive genius and as soon as the team lays an egg he needs to be fired.

    The reality is that this team needs to mature and is still quite far away from making a run at the Super Bowl. The OL is patchwork and struggles to protect. The defense, while extremely talented and has generally been lights out, is not deep enough to sustain multiple injuries. The coaching staff, while I love Zimmer, does tend to get conservative and creates more drama than is necessary.

    I expect them to bounce back on Thursday and play a good game but I doubt that they will win and that might not necessarily be a bad thing, in the long term view.

  39. If the Vikings are able to regroup and somehow knock off the Cardinals this Thursday night, it would bode well for the Packers.

    Go Vikings!

  40. The Vikings will be lucky to get a wild card berth. They got beat by Seattle. The Buccaneers are coming into their own. It will be another year where a 10 – 6 team misses the playoffs while a team with a losing record wins their division and gets an automatic bid. There should be an 8 win minimum to make the playoffs. The NFC East might put a division champ in the playoffs at 6 – 10. More likely 7 – 9, but 6 – 10 is not out of the realm of possibility. It will change when a 12 win team misses the playoffs for a team with 6 wins.

  41. It’s not the NFC East problem someone rlse couldn’t win their division… if you want make rivalry games meaningless by doing that… then maybe we could do old time baseball and just have everyone ay each other once in each conference and top 6 records go to the playoffs then I would rather have the rivalry games and week 17 games that end of having an impact on 2 or 3 division winners each season.

  42. Suck it up and get the chip back,not to many people expected the Vikings to be 8-4 at this point.
    Some also forget Teddy is only a second year player.

  43. Ted needs to take snaps in shotgun. Screw Adrian if he can’t deal with that. We must let Bridgewater develop correctly or at least see if he is as good as he seemed last season. So screw Adrian if he cannot succeed with the QB playing shotgun.

  44. squishman
    Dec 7, 2015, 4:44 PM CST
    Ted needs to take snaps in shotgun. Screw Adrian if he can’t deal with that. We must let Bridgewater develop correctly or at least see if he is as good as he seemed last season. So screw Adrian if he cannot succeed with the QB playing shotgun.
    ——–
    The object is to do what is best for the team to win each week. You clearly don’t understand how the NFL operates.

  45. I agree with Squishman to an extent… last season the offense was catered to Theodore and he did well… this year the Vikings catered to AP and what he does best. They are stunting the growth of a 2nd year player and someone who is supposed to be their franchise QB going forward there is a right and wrong way to do it… Look at what teams like Pitt when Big Ben was young… and Seattle with Wilson…. good defense solid running game and gradually put more and more on their plate.

    I understand the cicumstanves are different, because of the off field situation last year with the RB but it’s like the Vikings flat out took theo’s plate away… and wasting a great opportunity time and scenario wise to expand Theodores skillset.

  46. This team will be better when AP is gone, he cant help get past the Packers and he does good against bad teams, does nothing against good teams,Teddy cant carry the team he needs a balanced running game, when other players say he plays afraid that is not good for the future. may not win again this season.

  47. The goal every single week is to win the game. That’s it. Win the game. So everybody can stop with your theories about how Teddy’s growth is stunted with a great running game. Fantasy football players want better stats. NFL coaches want more wins.

  48. I would like to see all these armchair QBs go out and do what Teddy is doing, he’s getting at best 3 to 5 step dropback and the defenses are on him. People have to realize this is a really young team with a busted up oline and now a defense with major injuries

  49. The o-line is the biggest issue, but Teddy and Turner aren’t doing as much as they could to help them out either. Teddy is now the most “pressured” QB in the league at around 47% of the passing plays. But he also takes the most 7-step drops, which just doesn’t make any sense. Norv, you can’t fit a square peg into a round hole. You need to adapt the system around the talent you have, not the other way around.

  50. conormacleod says:
    Dec 7, 2015 7:53 PM
    The goal every single week is to win the game. That’s it. Win the game. So everybody can stop with your theories about how Teddy’s growth is stunted with a great running game. Fantasy football players want better stats. NFL coaches want more wins.
    ______________

    If you consider less than 50 yards 2 of the last 3 weeks great than I don’t know what to tell you, and I can PROMISE you that he didn’t help the teams win those weeks with that out put. Theodore had shown last year that the Vikings could beat the teams the should with him at the helm. This year the Vikings have beat most of the teams they should…

    Maybe if they had a QB that they had put TRUST and let cotntinue develop instead of handcuffing him and the rest of the team to what AP can do for the offense maybe they would have been in those games when AP stutters instead of losing by more than 2 TDs… Theodore has played about 20 games it’s time to show some of that developlment Viking fans talked about all off season.

  51. It’s a very young team. Bridgewater better work on those mechanics the rest of the year before he starts getting doubters…he misses a lot of throws high that are over 15 yards.

  52. squishman says:
    Dec 7, 2015 5:44 PM

    Ted needs to take snaps in shotgun. Screw Adrian if he can’t deal with that. We must let Bridgewater develop correctly or at least see if he is as good as he seemed last season. So screw Adrian if he cannot succeed with the QB playing shotgun.

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    As good as he seemed last season? How good was he in reality? Some people get caught up in numbers too much. The dude was nothing more than a game manager that threw 90% of his passes under 5 yards. I’m no expert, but I’m pretty sure any NFL QB, starter or not, can do that. Heck, you or I can do that.

  53. when players go on sport shows and say Bridgewater looked scared, that is not good, I haven’t heard that about any other player for that matter, this team is in trouble as usual, plus soft players on defense keep missing snaps, does not look good for the future.

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