Judge shuts down DFS in New York

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[Editor’s note: FanDuel is an advertiser of PFT and PFT Live on NBC Sports Radio. Also, NBC Sports has an equity stake in FanDuel.]

In a move that eventually could cripple if not kill an entire industry, a judge in New York ruled on Friday that daily fantasy games violate New York law, and that companies like FanDuel and DraftKings must stop doing business there immediately, according to Reuters.

The ruling comes 16 days after a hearing on the effort by New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman to shut down the industry permanently, via a preliminary injunction stopping the games pending the outcome of the underlying litigation.

Judge Manuel Mendez’s decision to shutter daily fantasy while the court case proceeds suggests that Mendez eventually will issue a permanent injunction banning the games in New York. FanDuel had voluntarily stopped doing business in New York. DraftKings had continued, and a DraftKings lawyer told Reuters that the company will file an appeal and seek an immediate stay of the ruling.

The companies had been confident that Friday’s ruling would go the other way, based on November 25 oral arguments during which renowned attorney David Boies made a compelling case for allowing DFS to proceed in New York.

While legal under federal law, each of the 50 states can make its own decision about daily fantasy. Some states hope to regulate (and undoubtedly tax) the industry. Others simply have chosen to block it entirely.

The New York case is based on existing state law, which could be changed by a legislature that decides to permit daily fantasy, under circumstances that would result in New York getting a piece of what quickly had become a billion-dollar pie.

The rapid growth of daily fantasy, punctuated by a Cola War between the two leading companies that resulted in a flood of commercials and other advertisements early in the 2015 NFL season, made it a target for intense scrutiny. Friday’s ruling becomes the biggest loss yet in what has become, somewhat ironically, a daily fight for the existence of a pair of billion-dollar companies.

109 responses to “Judge shuts down DFS in New York

  1. “The rapid growth of daily fantasy, punctuated by a Cola War between the two leading companies that resulted in a flood of commercials and other advertisements early in the 2015 NFL season, made it a target for intense scrutiny.”

    Umm… I’d argue that the reports of rampant abuse of insider information by employees of these companies were what “made it a target for intense scrutiny.”

    Granted, the commercials are annoying. But the corruption was probably what brought the hammer down.

  2. You saying David Boies made a compelling case is like Dez Bryant saying he knows what a catch is…neither can be trusted to give an unbiased opinion.

  3. LMAO @ Goodell.

    Goodell better watch it. He’s already on thin ice.

    I don’t know why the owners think this guy is so special. He didn’t invent fantasy football and couldn’t even broker the new CBA deal in 2011.

    Worst commissioner in sports history, which is saying something with regards to Selig and Gary Bettman’s careers.

  4. I can’t speak to other markets and would be curious to here from others but in the Boston market the number of DFS commercials we were getting bombarded with has been down dramatically since the NY filing. It’s not easy for a Boston guy to say this but THANK YOU NY!

  5. I am always confused by what people mean “tax” the industry. Internal Revenue Code is quite clear that all income is taxable except for certain items. I’d say 80% of states follow federal tax law and carve out their own adjustments. So what are they trying to tax?

    Then my second comment, are they trying to tax the earnings to individuals or the actual business? Because if it’s the business it’s taxed.

  6. I can’t speak to other markets and would be curious to here from others but in the Boston market the number of DFS commercials we were getting bombarded with has been down dramatically since the NY filing. It’s not easy for a Boston guy to say this but THANK YOU NY!
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    I’ve noticed that too out here in the Midwest – and add my appreciation as well.

  7. The judge probably realized that millions were pouring out of the state due to the losses piled up by Bills and Jets fans. This is the state intervening to protect the most vulnerable of its consumers, the marks.

  8. Why Nevada has a stranglehold on sports gambling is a sin. They can try to shut as much of this down s they want but it will only drive it further into the arms of organized crime.
    Make it legal everywhere and tax it.
    This is just getting ridiculous.

  9. My favorite ad is the one where the guy drops $30 and winds up winning $2 million.
    Uh, yeah, sure…
    That’s right up there with the gal that bought a brand new Camaro on QuiBids for $50.

  10. This is such a crock. I play DFS about every other week and if I want to blow my money on it, just let me. I appreciate the thought and all, but I really do not need the government breathing down my neck and telling me that I should not be spending money on this. I’m a big boy and if I want to blow my money here, so be it.

  11. So lucky, no more annoying commercials.

    Does anyone know anyone personally that has won on those sites? Me either

  12. Upshot – the daily fantasy industry is gambling, gambling is a dirty rotten blight on humanity that ruins lives, and therefore should be banned and people should be prosecuted vigorously by we the State, unless it’s sanctioned by we the State and we get a cut.

    We don’t want no dirty racketeers ruining books in our State. Capisce?

  13. Color me as someone cheering this.

    Fantasy football is annoying on it own, but the incessant commercials for Fan Duel and Draft Kings drive me crazy. They can’t go away fast enough. Shame on Bob Kraft for being one of the prime drivers/investors of this crap.

    And while I know this isn’t a popular opinion amongst Pats fans (been attending Pats games since they played at Harvard Stadium), I am getting more and more sick of Kraft.

    Since Myra passed, this guy just seems to be doing stuff which makes me feel sick to my stomach – first kowtowing to the NFL about the BS deflated balls crap, and the parade of disgusting people sharing his box – Rush, Murdoch, Trump. The girlfriend young enough to be his granddaughter is kinda creepy, but they both know what that’s about, so oh well.

    I know he’s a regular guy who made it big, but he sure looks and acts like he’s forgotten completely about regular fans. I didn’t go to a game this season for the first time in over a decade. The reason was I didn’t want to put any more money in Kraft’s pocket, especially if he uses it to buy more of those hideous colored oxfords with white collars.

    I’m too old to stop loving the Pats, but Kraft makes it harder and harder every week it seems. Of course, I’ve lived through Billy Sullivan & Victor Kiam, so its all relative I guess.

  14. I don’t understand this ruling. IMO, there is no difference whatsoever between DFS and season-long fantasy that involves money.

    Why isn’t the NY AG going after season-long fantasy too?

  15. It needs to be banned! This fantasy crap is out of control, how will they prevent players from fixing games? Okay I have 50k on weeks game, and I have Armani cooper WR and I’m a Broncos DB? It’s common sense, NFL players aren’t Mensa members, Adrian Peterson has 8 kids by 8 different women, Josh Gordon is told to stay sober and didn’t understand that meant booze? And Jerry Jones has a huge amount of money invested in Draft Kings, and I just hate that prick, anything he touches I don’t like.

  16. Finally this scam will have its comeuppance. Only loser morons would be enticed to spend money on these GAMBLING sites.
    Unfortunately, there are a lot of loser morons out there.

    IF YOU BET YOUR MONEY THAT YOU WILL WIN IT’S !!!!!

  17. You cannot have a greed based industry go unregulated, there will always be cheating and collusion.

    ____

    Sounds like Wall Street.

  18. If these companies didn’t do a blitzkrieg of advertising this season they would have flown under the radar and still operating and making millions. Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered..

  19. As someone who has watched the NFL for 50 years I say Good Riddence!! I despise fantasy football as BB says Stats Are For Losers.

    I could never cheer for a player of another team and as a football purist I could care less about the increase of interest of the NFL because of fantasy football.

    Now can we get rid of all the fantasy football shows, Matthew Berry et al ?

  20. DFS is just like the casinos. The “house” wins the money most of the time. Not to mention the employees with the inside info… It’s fun to play,but not when you have practically no shot of winning. I quit playing quite a while ago,but there were times when I had some great numbers and still came up empty. My own fault…

  21. I would applaud this decision, only it looks like the legislature is going to then turn around and legalize the damn thing.

  22. The part of this that is shutting down the obviously false promise of people getting rich of $30 is a good thing. DFS is a scam for all but the most intense of players, and the marketing was only drawing in more victims. Not going to shed a tear seeing those disappear.

    But the part where the state of NY shut this down due to their inability to control the flow of its citizens’ money is says more about the corruption of NY than it does DFS. The NFL tolerated it because its principals were offered an equity position.

    Error on behalf of the DFS companies not to engage in the payola schemes of legislature access. That mistake will cost them a lot of money in future lobby efforts.

    Like most exercises involving our government, EVERYBODY LOSES.

  23. mrlaloosh says: Dec 11, 2015 11:08 AM

    Finally this scam will have its comeuppance. Only loser morons would be enticed to spend money on these GAMBLING sites.
    Unfortunately, there are a lot of loser morons out there.

    IF YOU BET YOUR MONEY THAT YOU WILL WIN IT’S !!!!!

    Former loser moron here…. 🙂

  24. The only problem is ESPN and draft kings have what I believe is a $400 million deal to start running more ads in January 2016. Let’s hope DFS is gone for good.

  25. Lolz guess the time the employees of the fantasy gambling companies weren’t successful with their fake “protest”

    Its gambling. Period.

  26. Yes,Fantasy Sports is gambling, but optional gambling, now let’s thing about all the angles. When I put money in any of these sites, the money has been already taxed, and these sites built pools with money from different players that has been already taxed. Now, if I win, the government will yet again take a cut (double taxation), so in reality, who is scamming who? Let that sink for a moment.

  27. Then my second comment, are they trying to tax the earnings to individuals or the actual business? Because if it’s the business it’s taxed.

    —————————————————-

    The individual is already (double) taxed. If you win over certain amount these sites send you a 1099-G that you need to report in your taxes.

  28. NY courts took down multi billion dollar gambling and multi billion dollar entertainment in the NFL, but couldnt take down Brady. lol

  29. “It needs to be banned! This fantasy crap is out of control, how will they prevent players from fixing games? Okay I have 50k on weeks game, and I have Armani cooper WR and I’m a Broncos DB? ”

    This was the exact thought going through my head last night on the John Brown touchdown. Watch #24 just jog over. He didn’t even run fast until Brown was past him.

  30. I’ve won…….just not lots of money. I basically win enough to keep playing on their dime.

    I do find it rather difficult to believe that someone who is only 20 or 30 bucks out of pocket has won millions. I’m not buying it.

    It’s fun, but I can’t help but feel it’s fixed. The games are on for two minutes and some people have already accrued a ton of points. Smells fishy to me.

  31. Can anyone please explain how this is a scam? I would just like to know how when you enter a $25 50/50 league with 100 teams and 50 teams win $45… Which is stated in the contest details. Literally the top 50 teams wake up the next morning with $45 added to their account… How is this a scam? (I understand that the site makes money too. How else would they be profitable) Please help me figure this out… If you don’t like the commercials it’s understandable. Personally I’d prefer those annoying commercials than watching an older man talk about Viagra.

  32. Uh seatownballers i won last night. Just becuz some of you think you are so smart becuz you beat your other stupid friends doesnt mean you are smart in the big picture.

    The government cant protect its own citizens from terrorists and allow terrorist to purchase guns in this country, but o no we cant allow DFS.

    I mean seriously these judges and attorney generals are corrupt.

  33. New York, The place where you can spend your life savings on Scratch off tickets, Horse races and slot machines, but if you wanna play fantasy football for a few dollars ITS ILLEGAL.

    This state is so corrupt its disgusting.

    I would bet money (but its illegal) that if the state got offered a big chunk of their revenue, all the sudden it would be ok to play FF for money.

  34. Good on NY, these guys were ripping people off, time for some regulation so you can lose your money fair and square lol……Owners and the NFL are knee deep in this mess

  35. jackodn says:
    I’m too old to stop loving the Pats, but Kraft makes it harder and harder every week it seems. Of course, I’ve lived through Billy Sullivan & Victor Kiam, so its all relative I guess.
    ___________________

    Saw my first Pats game at Fenway. Season ticket holder since ’81. We didn’t just live through Billy Sullivan and Victor Kiam we survived them, although Orthwein was the really scary one because he was holding the Pats hostage for a team in St. Louis. I was part of a group of folks in our section that had “We Survived Victor Kiam” shirts made, it was denigrating having him for an owner at least the Sullivans were only embarrassing.

    Now we have the highest average ticket price in the league, in fact the tickets have become so expensive I have to split them with my brother. Kraft may be getting close to pricing out real fans but the team is not only still here, they have been relevant for 20 years. Remember Rod Rust? How about Zeke Mowatt? Hugh Millen? I sure do, Krafty Bob could probably run over my dog and I would still be thankful for him

  36. I don’t support laws banning online gambling, but if that’s the law let’s apply it consistently, and there’s no way daily fantasy is not gambling. Poker has more skill than this.

  37. I wonder what this means for traditional outlets (like ESPN) that have strong positions with these companies. Giving DraftKings a huge ad buy in return for equity may have been a bad move.

  38. DFG being that they are played on the web, there are a million ways to play if Draft Kings or Fan Duel even if you live in New York.

  39. wte1 says:
    Dec 11, 2015 11:06 AM
    I don’t understand this ruling. IMO, there is no difference whatsoever between DFS and season-long fantasy that involves money.

    Why isn’t the NY AG going after season-long fantasy too?

    #########

    My thoughts, exactly. And I’ve not seen a good explanation yet, either. Would love to know…

  40. seatownballers says:
    Dec 11, 2015 11:01 AM
    So lucky, no more annoying commercials.

    Does anyone know anyone personally that has won on those sites? Me either

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    I’ve won some money and several other people in my annual fantasy league have. Not a whole ton. I don’t really see the issue with it (except the commercials are a nightmare).

    I have money that I choose to waste on fantasy football to make the games more exciting.. that’s my ‘problem’. I don’t need protection from the state. I pay my taxes and also would like to be a degenerate from time to time.

    So what.

  41. marima07 says:
    Dec 11, 2015 10:45 AM

    Always commendable to include that disclaimer at the top. Too many newspapers do not, and it’s wrong.
    ________________

    Not commendable. Almost a necessity. Wouldn’t you feel betrayed if this was only disclosed after the fact?

  42. New York doesn’t have a problem if you open an E-Trade account and put 10 grand in it to gamble on a Government controlled stock market, but put a $100 dollars in a fantasy sports site and you are on the most wanted list.

  43. bassplucker says:
    Dec 11, 2015 10:54 AM
    I can’t speak to other markets and would be curious to here from others but in the Boston market the number of DFS commercials we were getting bombarded with has been down dramatically since the NY filing. It’s not easy for a Boston guy to say this but THANK YOU NY!
    ——————
    I’ve noticed that too out here in the Midwest – and add my appreciation as well.

    ________________________________________

    Ditto for the Los Angeles area, and it’s appreciated out here too.

  44. tylawspick6 says:
    Dec 11, 2015 10:47 AM
    LMAO @ Goodell.

    Goodell better watch it. He’s already on thin ice.

    I don’t know why the owners think this guy is so special. He didn’t invent fantasy football and couldn’t even broker the new CBA deal in 2011.

    Worst commissioner in sports history, which is saying something with regards to Selig and Gary Bettman’s careers.

    We know, we know. The world quakes in anticipation of the coming wrath of the pats fans. They will lay waste to comment sections internet wide regardless of topic. They will buy ad space, rent plane banners, and generally roll on the floor kicking and screaming. They will enlist the power of the Pope. Nobody can hide from their keyboards because millions of basements are united! They will bring down the commisioner, the refs union, and the complete medical infrastructure that failed to cure gronk immediately. They will scorn GOD Himself for allowing injuries to Lord Bradys receivers! We know, we know.

  45. Once again the government telling people what’s good for them. It’s getting out hand. Or maybe Fan Duel and Draft Kings just didn’t put enough in the hands of the government?

  46. I win regularly. Just not lots, that takes some luck.
    The ‘house’ takes 13 1/2% out of the pool, which is different than the typical group pool where all money bet is returned. NFL set themselves up for this legal quagmire with some very poor foresight.

  47. Imagine casino workers making money on their off days because they know a certain number on the roullete wheel will come up more because of inside information. Imagine how fast that casino gets shut down, not because the government loves telling us what to do, but because the game is fixed.

  48. I have no issue with people who want to spend their money gambling; I do have MAJOR issue with the government trying to regulate what people want to do with their own money.

    But I am *so* sick and tired of having these sites constantly thrown in my face, every single commercial break, sometimes multiple times per commercial break, I’m willing to look the other way this time and applaud the fact that I may get some respite from the adverts.

  49. So the same state that has its own lottery, and hosts the Belmont Stakes is trying to outlaw DFS? On what basis is DFS any different than a state lottery or horse racing?

    Oh, that’s right, the state isn’t getting a cut of the money, and some studies have likely been done which show that many lottery players have stopped playing the NY State Lottery and are putting their money in DFS.

    The mock outrage of members of the New York state government is what infuriates me the most about this. It’s perfectly fine to gamble in the state of New York, as long as the state government gets its cut; otherwise DFS gambling is a violation of the set of laws that ignore lottery and horse racing gambling.

  50. What many people do not know is DraftKings, Fanduel and other fantasy sites have charity tournaments that go to good causes like Wounded Vets, like to Saving Animals or Feeding the Homeless.
    ~
    If they are going to allow any form of Gambling in which just about every State does then they need to include all………. It is wrong for them to tell me how I can spend my money and which causes i wish to contribute.
    ~
    If they want it regulated then so be it but please you hypocrite law makers stop acting like oh my god they are doing things illegal. Start working with these sites it will boost your stale economy out.

  51. Payback for those two d-bag sites making college and NFL games miserable to watch with all the annoying commercials.

  52. To all you bashing fantasy footballers: I’ve played fantasy for 25+ years, and can say that, without a doubt, it has *enhanced* my enjoyment and knowledge of the game exponentially. I can speak intelligently about the nuances of the game with anyone, fantasy footballer or “purist.” You do realize these two things aren’t mutually exclusive, right? You can enjoy fantasy sports *and* be knowledgeable about the actual game. Get off your high horses, elitists.

  53. The issue is this; DFS is insisting their games are skill not chance. That means they say it is not gambling. Admit that is is and submit to the regulation and scrutiny that all types of legalized gambling is. The billions of commercials also have to be less deceiving

  54. tajuara says:
    Dec 11, 2015 11:26 AM

    Yes,Fantasy Sports is gambling, but optional gambling, now let’s thing about all the angles. When I put money in any of these sites, the money has been already taxed, and these sites built pools with money from different players that has been already taxed. Now, if I win, the government will yet again take a cut (double taxation), so in reality, who is scamming who? Let that sink for a moment.
    _____________________

    It’s no different with dividends. A business earns income and pays taxes on any profits. Some of those profits may be paid out to shareholders as dividends. Then the shareholders pay taxes on their dividend earnings. No difference. That’s the way it’s always worked.

  55. Dailey fantasy football is gambling, the NFL can’t have it both ways. If you’re going to fight sports gambling you can’t get into bed with DFS.

  56. tylawspick6 says:
    Dec 11, 2015 11:30 AM

    Why would anyone give a thumb’s down if someone mentions how corrupt and evil Goodell is?
    ___________________

    Because Commissioner Goodell is actually saving professional football and the NFL. Too many fans are just too myopic to see this.

  57. The reason season long fantasy is fine is that most sites just offer free fantasy football software/programs and the actually gambling aspect of it and money changing hands is just done at the league level between the individual participants in the league. It’s not like if you play fantasy football for $ on ESPN, that your actually pumping $ into ESPN to hold for you or ESPN is charging for it.

  58. It’s gambling, and I don’t have a problem with adults spending their money however they want. This country’s government can’t seem to make up it’s mind about it.

  59. FanDuel & DraftKings have had their fun (and made a ton of $). But they knew this day was coming. That exception they got to allow them to operate until now without the same regulation that casinos and horsetracks have to operate with was never going to hold up to close scrutiny. (This is gambling after all.) And frankly they pushed the envelope with their endless advertising. This was low hanging fruit for an aspiring politician like Schneiderman who’s looking to bigger political offices one day.
    No worries. Just get your house in order. Pay your taxes like the rest of us and you’ll be back in business in NY in no time.

  60. So Roger Goodell pressured Dan Rooney to restructure the Steelers ownership in order to divest team ownership of legal horse racing and slot machines at Yonkers Raceway in New York, based upon the league policy that NFL owners may not casinos, card rooms, lottories “or the like.”

    But Jerry Jones and Bob Kraft can continue to hold ownership stakes in daily fantasy gambling sites that have been told to quit doing business in New York based upon a judge finding they likely are in violation of New York state law that regulates gambling sites?

  61. Shut them down. If you can’t gamble online in these states, then why DFS? DFS=Gambling, enough said. The fact that the NFL, ESPN, NBC and others got behind it is ridiculous.

    The commercial the first 4 weeks of football were atrocious. My favorite is the fat meat head guy (must have been from NY/NJ) jumping up in the air doing a fist pump.

  62. chesswhileyouplaycheckers says:

    Now we have the highest average ticket price in the league, in fact the tickets have become so expensive I have to split them with my brother. Kraft may be getting close to pricing out real fans but the team is not only still here, they have been relevant for 20 years. Remember Rod Rust? How about Zeke Mowatt? Hugh Millen? I sure do, Krafty Bob could probably run over my dog and I would still be thankful for him
    ________________________________

    I get ya. I remember sitting with my Dad in the early 70’s watching some really bad teams get their butts kicked by the Dolphins, saw OJ run wild on us more than twice, etc.
    Remember Irving Fryar getting into a fight with his wife the night before the superbowl? Idiot.

    I’ve lived and died with the Pats since I was about 13, and I’m 56 now. I’m very happy that they’ve turned into not only a relevant franchise, but a dynasty. I’ve watched every game every year, and attended tons at home and a few away. I have a note from Tedy which I cherish, b/c he sent it to my family after we lost our home in a fire.

    I’ll still root for the team, and watch them (although I don’t pay Directv’s ridiculous prices to do so) every week, and will til I die.

    But Kraft is steadily wearing away my admiration and support of him, and I don’t expect that to change anytime soon.

  63. “If you play fantasy football but don’t play DraftKings, you are CCCRRRAAAZZYYY!!!”

    A lot of whales created to take $ from. Such a huge scam.

  64. It’s amazing to me that they’ve gotten away with this for so long. The other thing like this that is breaking the law so many ways is Uber.

  65. DraftKings and FanDuel should appeal the decision and take it to the Supreme Court.

    First and foremost skill is definitely involved. If it were random chance then go pick a bunch of players that have salary caps of $4000 per player. If there were no skill involved, then a team consisting of $4000 would have an equal chance of a team with salaries of players all at $5600.

    O so that isnt the case? Ok then its not luck its skill. Not saying some luck isnt necessary but dont tell me its all luck. Thats what the players that lose at DFS use to justify their lack of intellect and skill

  66. It’s amazing to me that so many people here are cheering further governmental intrusion in our lives. Let me spend my money as I see fit. If that involves losing it on DFS, why is that any of your business?

    Bunch of busybodies on here, love to tell people what they can and cannot do.

  67. tajuara says:
    Dec 11, 2015 11:28 AM

    Then my second comment, are they trying to tax the earnings to individuals or the actual business? Because if it’s the business it’s taxed.

    —————————————————-

    The individual is already (double) taxed. If you win over certain amount these sites send you a 1099-G that you need to report in your taxes.
    —————————–

    Any winnings are obviously going to be taxed as income. How do you figure there is a second tax?

  68. The NFL and MLB are both heavily invested in these enterprise’s, not just individual billionaire owners. They got around the “gambling” definition originally because the sites take a fee and pay out a predetermined amount. The insider information comes from how theyset the value of a given player and how many people playing they type of event have taken a given player.

  69. Those who think its gambling just proved the hypocrisy of the ruling.

    Let’s humor yourselves that it is gambling, which its not, well gambling is legal in the state of New York. Lotteries are gambling that’s legal in New York, horse racing is gambling that is legal in New York, casinos are gambling, that is legal in the state of New York.

    So please explain Judge & Attorney General how this is illegal gambling? O I see you arent getting any of their money. So really its not illegal, its just because you arent getting your cut? Got it.

  70. Im also still trying to figure out how sports wagering is only legal in Nevada and Delaware.

    If its good enough and legal for them, then sports wagering should be allowed in all 50.

    Hmmm something tells me someone is getting paid off in the other 48 states.

  71. Then my second comment, are they trying to tax the earnings to individuals or the actual business? Because if it’s the business it’s taxed.

    —————————————————-

    The individual is already (double) taxed. If you win over certain amount these sites send you a 1099-G that you need to report in your taxes.
    —————————–

    Any winnings are obviously going to be taxed as income. How do you figure there is a second tax?
    ———————————————————

    1.- You put money that has already been taxed (Money doesn’t grow in trees, so any money you have to spend is money already taxed)
    2.- Prizes come from a bunch of people that enter the contest (money already taxed)
    3.- If you win, the government tax you again. Therefore you are paying double taxes

  72. This has forced ID verification on the sites, something FD can not handle.

    They locked accounts. and the money in them for what was to be 3-4 hours.

    It turned out to be 500+ hours. 21 days of holding cash until they could get to things.

    These companies need regulation. They are making money hand over fist and can’t even provide basic customer service needs while locking and holding cash hostage, even in “legal” states.

  73. Heard of a report stating that the same 2 % of the players are winning over 90 % of the big money shares. Most likely these are bots and Witch-Kraft / Jones are behind it.

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