AFC playoff picture: Patriots in, five good teams vie for four spots

AP

Here are the three things you need to know about the AFC playoff race: The Patriots are in. Five good teams are vying for four other playoff spots. And someone has to win the AFC South.

This is the way the playoff race shapes up through Week 13:

LEADERS
1. Patriots (11-2): New England has clinched a playoff berth and has the inside track for home-field advantage throughout the AFC playoffs.

2. Bengals (10-3): For now Cincinnati has the tiebreaker over Denver, but that will be decided when the teams meet in Week 16.

3. Broncos (10-3): If Denver wins out it gets a first-round bye.

4. Colts (6-7): Someone has to win the AFC South, and right now that “someone” looks like the Colts — potentially with third-stringer Charlie Whitehurst at quarterback.

5. Chiefs (8-5): Kansas City owns the conference record tiebreaker over the Jets and Steelers

6. Jets (8-5): New York currently owns the AFC record tiebreaker over Pittsburgh.

OUTSIDE LOOKING IN
7. Steelers (8-5): If Pittsburgh wins out it’s in the playoffs, even if the Jets and Chiefs win out, too.

AFC SOUTH CONTENDERS
Texans (6-7): Houston can move into first place with a win in Indianapolis on Sunday.

Jaguars (5-8): Jacksonville is a long shot, but if the Jaguars can get to 8-8, that may be enough to win their terrible division.

138 responses to “AFC playoff picture: Patriots in, five good teams vie for four spots

  1. It was fun hating on the Pats for a week but let’s be real we all knew they would be right back here. Will be interesting to see how the West plays out, If denver loses 2 and KC wins out they win the west.

  2. If Pittsburgh wins out it’s in the playoffs, even if the Jets and Chiefs win out, too.

    __________________________

    You mean the Steelers stay out of the picture if NYJ and KC win out….

  3. What a dandy Super Bowl Match-up we could have if a couple teams get hot at the right time.

    It could be Dallas v. Jacksonville, each coming in with 7-9 regular season records. Not likely. But possible. It’s not always you see 5-8 and 4-9 teams in the thick of the playoff hunt heading into Week 14.

    Oh the humanity.

  4. Pittsburgh is scary-good right now . Everything is coming together for them at the right time. . They worry me more than any other team in the AFC with all the weapons they have. They have run the table before…

  5. Kraft=proven fraud
    Belichick= proven fraud
    Brady= proven fraud
    NE= shameless people who support proven frauds.

    Kraft+Belicheat+Brady+Ignorant NE fans=The most disgusting cheaters in professional sports history.

  6. Who cares? Everybody knows the AFC is the little sister to the NFC anyway! Arizona…Carolina…Seattle. All three of them could whip any team in the Alternate Football Conference.

  7. Kraft is a proven fraud. He inherited his wealth, had everything handed to him in life, and learned at an early age rich boys can take what they want. He not only embraces but help establish the Patriots culture of cheating. The owner, the coach, and the QB have all been proven frauds. Do NE fans have any standards whatsoever? Or are you all spoiled rotten losers like Kraft?

  8. Cincy can not make the playoffs if they loss the next 3, what a horrible way to end the season….its going to be tough for the Jets to get in unless they win the next 3, not impossible but a long shot with the Pats in there….KC has the easiest schedule but they struggled against SD yesterday and if not for a dropped TD pass that game was going to overtime…

  9. Team Fumbles:
    1. Raiders (25)

    30. Patriots (12)

    “Just wait till we see the fumble stats for the Patriots next year with fully inflated footballs. Numbers don’t lie. I can’t wait to see them lead the league in fumbles”
    — Patriot Hater

    🙂

  10. Pats nation is firmly in the Jaguars corner. What better way to end the Colts year of snitches getting stitches than losing the division to the Jaguars…………….THE JAGUARS! I’m giddy at the possibility!

  11. Given the way things are trending why are the Jags considered a long shot? Not only would it be a saving grace to have a young team trending in the right direction win out and take that ‘division’ it’s not even that unlikely. They have Atlanta, N.O. and the Texans on their schedule. With their QB issues Indy and Houston could easily lose 2 of their last 3

  12. bradygirl12 says:
    Dec 14, 2015 6:34 PM

    Pittsburgh is scary-good right now . Everything is coming together for them at the right time. . They worry me more than any other team in the AFC with all the weapons they have. They have run the table before…
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    They lost to Tebow, nuff said.

  13. Tee hee 🙂 To think Patriot Hater really thinks their sorry team is at OUR Level!

    WE superior fans of the World Champions pity you poor poor deluded souls…

    🙂

  14. factman66 says:
    Dec 14, 2015 6:35 PM

    Kraft=proven fraud
    Belichick= proven fraud
    Brady= proven fraud
    NE= shameless people who support proven frauds.

    Kraft+Belicheat+Brady+Ignorant NE fans=The most disgusting cheaters in professional sports history.
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    Oh boy, factman66 finally stopped watching cartoons and has resumed his nonsensical comments.

  15. What has Robert Kraft ever done in his life? I mean, he inherited every penny to his name, he turned the NFL into a laughing stock, and ran the biggest cheater team in American sports history. What is there to respect? He’s a flat out loser, and has proven zero worth. What has Kraft ever earned in his entire life?
    Absolutely nothing….

  16. I can’t believe there are only three games left in the regular season.

    Seems like this season flew by…

  17. If the Steelers win out, they’d end up owning the tiebreaker over the Jets as they’d have a better record against common opponents. Today, they’re out of the playoffs because the Jets own a better conference record, but the Steelers have three conference games left and the Jets just two.

    It’s not that hard to figure out folks.

  18. As usual factman has his facts WRONG!! The Denver Broncos are the frauds not the 4 time Super Bowl Patriots!!
    On September 17, 2004, the league announced that, for the second time in three years, the Denver Broncos were fined nearly a million dollars and would, once again, lose their third-round draft pick because of salary cap violations between 1996 and 1998.

    Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis contended that the Broncos’ circumvention of the salary cap helped them win the Super Bowl in the 1997 and 1998 season.

  19. “Just wait till we see the fumble stats for the Patriots next year with fully inflated footballs. Numbers don’t lie. I can’t wait to see them lead the league in fumbles”
    — Patriot Hater

    21 7 <<<< 7 Patriot Haters really are in denial 🙂

  20. “You mean the Steelers stay out of the picture if NYJ and KC win out….”

    Nope.

    Right now the Jets have the spot based on conference record (6-4 vs the Steelers 5-4) if they both win out they will both be 8-4 vs the AFC. Then the next tiebreaker is record vs Common opponents.

    Their common opponents are: Browns, Colts, Raiders & Patriots.

    The Steelers would be 4-1 (loss vs Pats) while the Jets would be 3-2 (losses vs Pats & Raiders). This is why the Steelers beat the Jets in a tiebreaker.

    There is one way and only one way the Steelers win out and miss the playoffs. That would be if the Jets win out, the Chiefs win out the Pats lose out (along with the Broncos and Bengals both winning their divisions). Then the Jets would win the division and the Steelers would be on the outside because of the loses to the Pats and Chiefs. But that’s not going to happen.

  21. Seems like he’s earned your jealousy and attention. You cry about how they are frauds, can’t make their own money, lazy cheaters but you keep coming back like a addict looking to score his final hit. I understand you have such a jealous hatred for the team, but you should take a step back and look into the mirror and see why you hate so much.

  22. Kraft=proven fraud
    Belichick= proven fraud
    Brady= proven fraud
    NE= shameless people who support proven frauds.

    Kraft+Belicheat+Brady+Ignorant NE fans=The most disgusting cheaters in professional sports history.

    __________________________________
    Wow, day in and day out.

    How long and how bad has Brady and Belichick consistently beat your team to a pulp?

    Unless your Mike Kensil, then I totally get it.

  23. If steelers win out they will clinch a spot in the wildcard because they would then hold the tiebreaker over the jets and chiefs

  24. bradygirl12 says:
    Dec 14, 2015 6:54 PM
    They lost to Tebow, nuff said.
    —————————————————————
    That was a different team back then.


    That 2011 Steeler team was as much a paper tiger as any NFL team has ever been. Their defense was close to last in the league that season in real D stats that mattered like sacks and turnovers…and it was only a matter of time before they were exposed. I just think it is delicious that Tebow was the one to do it. 🙂

    I don’t think they are nearly as good as people are hyping them up to be either. One and done candidate if they make it that far.

  25. The Broncos have to play both the Steelers & Bengals…two tuff games there. The last few weeks are going to really get interesting…

    Should be some great football to watch…

  26. On September 17, 2004, the league announced that, for the second time in three years, the Denver Broncos were fined nearly a million dollars and would, once again, lose their third-round draft pick because of salary cap violations between 1996 and 1998.


    The Broncos are also the only team in NFL history to be fined for taping another team’s practice. 🙂

  27. OK, so if the Steelers win out, their AFC record would improve to better than the Jets, thus putting them ahead of them, while they are behind now. There is a half game involved at this point, Steelers have 3 against the AFC remaining, while the Jets have 2.

  28. imodan I love how trolls keep bringing up how we lost to tebow you cant win every game that you are favored to win, people are dumb these days..

  29. factman66 says:
    Dec 14, 2015 6:42 PM
    Kraft is a proven fraud. He inherited his wealth, had everything handed to him in life, and learned at an early age rich boys can take what they want.
    _______________

    ‘factman’ is an ironic name considering the absence of them in his posts. Kraft is a self made man, per Forbes magazine among other sources.

  30. bradygirl12 says:
    Dec 14, 2015 6:54 PM

    They lost to Tebow, nuff said.
    —————————————————————
    That was a different team back then.
    ——————————————————
    No kidding!! That team was the defending AFC champs against the 8-8 Broncos coming off 3 straight losses and Tebow looking abysmal. They were heavy favorites. Yet they lost in stunning fashion. The point is anyone can get beat. Tap the brakes on the Steeler love.

  31. How’s this for a fun scenario? 🙂

    KC wins out (likely), Jets win out (less likely), DEN loses to CIN and PIT… and the Broncos will miss the playoffs.

    🙂

  32. 7th straight Patriots season in the playoffs. Tom Brady has never had a losing season. And the haters were so sure 0.4 psi would matter. Bills/Dolphins AFC championship game, they said.

  33. “Kraft+Belicheat+Brady+Ignorant NE fans=The most disgusting cheaters in professional sports history.”

    You know that Kraft built a hospital, don’t you? What good works have you ever done with your hate- and bile-filled life?

  34. The Jets have a done nice job taking advantage of a cupcake schedule. No signature wins this year (no wins at all against teams currently above .500) but they’ll have their chance in week 16. I hope they don’t get in beating a schedule full of nobodies but that’s unlikely to be the case. They’re going to need that Pats game.

  35. No kidding!! That team was the defending AFC champs against the 8-8 Broncos coming off 3 straight losses and Tebow looking abysmal. They were heavy favorites. Yet they lost in stunning fashion. The point is anyone can get beat. Tap the brakes on the Steeler love.
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    I am aware of that. I am talking about the 2015 Steelers. They could get bounced this year for all I know. All I’m saying is that they are playing very good football right now. You can’t deny that.

  36. ptriots have been only team to be fined multiple times and to lose multiple first picks for cheating .

    In fact Krap and Belicheat APOLOGIZED for cheating.

    AND Pats fumbles already surpass last season with three games left.

    FACTS

  37. Come on Pats fans…nepotism is your way of life, admit it. That’s why you like the Pats, because they represent you… People who have done nothing to earn their success.

  38. All I’m saying is that they are playing very good football right now. You can’t deny that.


    Eh, I’m not convinced yet. The last good team they played was @ SEA and their defense got rolled. I don’t call CIN without Dalton a good team.

    If they thump the Broncos on Sunday then I’ll be impressed.

    🙂

  39. winninaintsinnin says:
    Dec 14, 2015 7:25 PM
    ptriots have been only team to be fined multiple times and to lose multiple first picks for cheating .

    In fact Krap and Belicheat APOLOGIZED for cheating.

    AND Pats fumbles already surpass last season with three games left.
    ——

    Don’t you just love how Patriot Hater calls things that are clearly fantasy, wishful thinking and just flat out wrong as “FACTS”?

    🙂

  40. FYI if the steelers jets and Chiefs win out its Denver that doesn’t make it, as Denver plays Pitt and the Chiefs, and would then lose the tiebreaker to the Chiefs.

  41. “What has Robert Kraft ever done in his life? I mean, he inherited every penny to his name”

    1. Inherited every penny ? His father was a dress maker so no, he didn’t inherit every penny. In fact when he went to work it was for an uncle who had a box making factory that he bought and still owns I believe.

    2. I’ll tell you one thing he’s done. He built the only NFL stadium in the country that was built with no public money. Without extorting a billion or so of tax dollars from the city. I bet the Raider, Rams and Charger fans would give a lot for an owner like that right about now.

    Keep up the lies. Just makes you look utterly and totally uniformed, whining about made up things.

    SMH

  42. Come on Pats fans, tell me how a man who inherited millions is selfmade..
    You’re what’s wrong with this county. Earn your keep, rich boys.

  43. “You all fear the Steelers how about that ”

    Thanks for the laugh. The Pats have owned the Steelers and won almost all the games against them since Belichick and Brady came to Foxboro.

    The only team the Pats own more of than the Steelers is Buffalo.

  44. Pats have played exactly two teams with winning records. They’re 1-1
    ———————–
    Of the 12 playoff teams right now, Pats have the 6th hardest schedule. Carolina and Arizona have the 2nd and 3rd easiest

  45. “Come on Pats fans, tell me how a man who inherited millions is selfmade..”

    How about you tell us how telling blatant lies and ignoring the truth does anything but make you look so foolish I can’t even post what that is because PFT would delete it.

    You’re like a politician running a commercial over and over full of lies about an opponent figuring if you tell them enough times it will become truth.

  46. factman66 says:
    Dec 14, 2015 7:27 PM

    Come on Pats fans…nepotism is your way of life, admit it. That’s why you like the Pats, because they represent you… People who have done nothing to earn their success.
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    And you’re relegated to insulting people you don’t know under a fictitious name. That’s the ultimate in success eh. Grow up, get a life and find something meaningful to do with your time besides making a fool of yourself.

  47. AND Pats fumbles already surpass last season with three games left.
    ————-
    Wrong. They had 13 last season, 12 this season.
    —————-
    And 2 of those this season were on punt returns.

  48. imodan says:
    Dec 14, 2015 7:44 PM
    factman66 says:
    Dec 14, 2015 7:27 PM

    Come on Pats fans…nepotism is your way of life, admit it. That’s why you like the Pats, because they represent you… People who have done nothing to earn their success.
    ———————————————————-
    And you’re relegated to insulting people you don’t know under a fictitious name. That’s the ultimate in success eh. Grow up, get a life and find something meaningful to do with your time besides making a fool of yourself
    ——————————————

    Exactly. Well said. There’s a difference between commenting on a football story and spouting juvenile nonsense like “factman” does on every thread. Smh.

  49. “And 2 of those this season were on punt returns.”

    And 2 or 3 more were by Dion Lewis who was not on the team prior to this year and therefore can’t be counted towards the sample.

  50. “Kraft+Belicheat+Brady+Ignorant NE fans=The most disgusting cheaters in professional sports history.”

    Maybe… But, Oh how we Pats fans like all the wins this team gets against the rest of you hatin’ chumps!

  51. 13arod says:
    Dec 14, 2015 7:05 PM
    imodan I love how trolls keep bringing up how we lost to tebow you cant win every game that you are favored to win, people are dumb these days..

    Pats lost at home to Mr Butt Fumble lol Most of these Pats fans also thought going to Denver was going to be a piece of cake so it’s no surprise they see the Steelers as no threat. I have them right up there with anyone if they can get in.

  52. If the Colts get in, and Luck is somehow healthy, they will be a tough out. For as much crap as you give the AFC South, you would think you might take the time to realize they played the 2nd toughest schedule in the AFC (only the Chiefs have a tougher one). They played 4 of the “7 good teams” from the AFC, and took an undefeated Panthers team to overtime on the road. That being said, I don’t like our chances if Jesus is in the huddle instead of holding the clipboard.

  53. Tee hee 🙂 Look at Patriot Hater demanding that we think their wuss team is on OUR level and belongs on the field with US.

    I don’t think so cupcakes 🙂

    #SuchDelusionIsUnhealthy
    #YourBrushWithGreatnessIsTalkingAboutTheWorldChampions
    #UrTeamIsNOTHINGComparedToUS
    #UrTeamIsInferiorInEveryWayToUS

  54. People like to forget the Pats going after a coach under contract and getting caught as well. Forced to give up 2- 1st round picks.

    harrisonhits2

    Kraft began his professional career with the Rand-Whitney Group, a Worcester-based packaging company run by his father-in-law Jacob Hiatt.

    So nice try ace. He fell into his father-in-laws company and then was handed it.

  55. winninaintsinnin says:
    Dec 14, 2015 7:31 PM
    Pats have played exactly two teams with winning records. They’re 1-1


    Actually they have played three to date with winning records and are 2-1, with the “1” being one play in overtime. It’s a silly stat to track really, since in theory they have played teams like the Colts who did have a winning record at the time they played the Pats.

    Just in case Patriot Hater is wondering what actual “FACTS” look like. 🙂

  56. 13arod says:
    Dec 14, 2015 7:05 PM

    imodan I love how trolls keep bringing up how we lost to tebow you cant win every game that you are favored to win, people are dumb these days..
    ——————————————————–
    Troll? No. Steeler hater? Yes. Call me dumb but I really think losing to Tebow that year was unacceptable. That it still gets under your skin more or less proves my point. The Steelers are playing well, granted. But as a Patriots fan I fear no team. And as for losing games your not supposed to, try going 18-0 before losing the Super Bowl on one of the most unlikely catches in NFL history. Most teams have lots of losses that shouldn’t have happened. That Steeler fan feels like anyone bringing up the Tebow fiasco is somehow out of bounds is hilarious.

  57. kepdogg23 says:
    Dec 14, 2015 8:00 PM
    If the Colts get in, and Luck is somehow healthy, they will be a tough out. For as much crap as you give the AFC South, you would think you might take the time to realize they played the 2nd toughest schedule in the AFC (only the Chiefs have a tougher one). They played 4 of the “7 good teams” from the AFC, and took an undefeated Panthers team to overtime on the road. That being said, I don’t like our chances if Jesus is in the huddle instead of holding the clipboard.

    —-
    I would concede that except for the fact that the bulk of the Colts problems are not at QB. They are on the other side of the ball, as they tend to be. 🙂

    Ranked close to the bottom of the league in scoring and most defensive yardage categories, can’t sack the QB, and negative turnover differential.

    Defensive problems are much harder to cover up come playoff time.

  58. Everybody in AFC East plays the same teams except 2 games. Calm down. They all had easy schedules playing 2 horrible divisions. AFC South and NFC East

  59. Part of me hopes that the AFC South Champion ends up 6-10 and an AFC team misses the playoffs with an 11-5 record.

    Only because the playoff system needs to be changed.
    No way an 11-5 team should be cheated and left out while some also-rans get in while 2 games below .500.

  60. “Bills/Dolphins AFC championship game, they said.”

    ————————–

    There is literally nobody who said this was going to happen. 75% of all the Patriots disrespect that you Pats fans feel is all stuff made up in your own heads. But enjoy your ride while it lasts a couple more years, then kindly go back to not being football fans like 70% of you were before 2001.

  61. I love the fact that the JETS of all teams are even in the conversation….Todd Bowles has done a great job with what he got from the guy who is the coach in Buffalo
    The biggest thing is that once Geno Smith got punched they had a chance

    Go JETS !!!

  62. STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    Dec 14, 2015 8:07 PM

    winninaintsinnin says:
    Dec 14, 2015 7:31 PM
    Pats have played exactly two teams with winning records. They’re 1-1


    Actually they have played three to date with winning records and are 2-1, with the “1” being one play in overtime. It’s a silly stat to track really, since in theory they have played teams like the Colts who did have a winning record at the time they played the Pats.

    Just in case Patriot Hater is wondering what actual “FACTS” look like. 🙂
    =========

    Actually you’re wrong and he’s right.

    Look at the teams the Pats have played; two with winning records and 1-1.

    That’s an indication of the the weak schedule.

    And that is a FACT😊

  63. The only thing I want for Christmas is for the Steelers to again play the Pats in the playoffs. The Steelers are rolling on offense and will blow out the Cheaters on their way to their seventh Super Bowl victory. Thanks Santa!

  64. You missed a team with a chance. If the Jets, Steelers and Chiefs all lose the rest of the season and the Raiders win all three remaining games (including against the Chiefs), they will actually secure the top Wildcard Spot in the AFC.

  65. harrisonhits2 says:
    Dec 14, 2015 7:36 PM
    “What has Robert Kraft ever done in his life? I mean, he inherited every penny to his name”

    1. Inherited every penny ? His father was a dress maker so no, he didn’t inherit every penny. In fact when he went to work it was for an uncle who had a box making factory that he bought and still owns I believe.

    2. I’ll tell you one thing he’s done. He built the only NFL stadium in the country that was built with no public money. Without extorting a billion or so of tax dollars from the city. I bet the Raider, Rams and Charger fans would give a lot for an owner like that right about now.

    Keep up the lies. Just makes you look utterly and totally uniformed, whining about made up things.

    SMH
    ____________

    Agree with the spirit of the post but have to take exception with “He built the only NFL stadium in the country that was built with no public money.”
    In the past 20 years a couple of stadiums, Gillette and FedEx, can be fairly said to have been built with no public assistance other than for infrastructure improvements that would accompany any project of that size. But only one received not one thin dime and that is MetLife. Because it was built on the same site as the existing Meadowlands sports complex no infrastructure costs were incurred.

    In many circles Jerry Jones gets credit for the ‘private funding’ of Jerry World that received $444M of public money, more than Gillette cost. That is among the most galling of them

  66. Let’s here it Pats fans, your team is a bunch of frauds but so are you riding your parents coattails.. In your world I’m sure it’s like coming from the projects, since your world is a delusion.

  67. I cringe every time I see Ray Lewis on TV – can’t believe the NFL pretends to clean up their image when holding up guys like him for admiration.

  68. Come on NE, tell us your hardships of private schools, your parents paying your college tuition, and your daddy handing you over their business. Your stories of being selfmade are sooooo inspiring lol.

  69. imodan says:
    Dec 14, 2015 6:45 PM
    Pats nation is firmly in the Jaguars corner. What better way to end the Colts year of snitches getting stitches than losing the division to the Jaguars…………….THE JAGUARS! I’m giddy at the possibility!
    _____________

    You’re giddy huh….. Thanks for demonstrating how childish your fan base is

  70. ouldn’t have happened. That Steeler fan feels like anyone bringing up the Tebow fiasco is somehow out of bounds is hilarious.

    —-
    You correctly called that a fiasco. That was no “loss”. He absolutely DESTROYED them!

    🙂

  71. I just think there are some interesting storylines playing out in both conferences. I never expected the Jets to be in the conversation. Wherever Ryan Fitzpatrick has been,he’s usually benched by now for throwing too many picks. This year,he’s a different guy.

  72. mjd08501 says:
    Dec 14, 2015 8:16 PM
    “Bills/Dolphins AFC championship game, they said.”

    ————————–

    There is literally nobody who said this was going to happen. 75% of all the Patriots disrespect that you Pats fans feel is all stuff made up in your own heads. But enjoy your ride while it lasts a couple more years, then kindly go back to not being football fans like 70% of you were before 2001.

    Hater/CRYBABY myth #72. Patriots didn’t have fans prior to 2001.

    The Patriots have the best record of ANY of the 4 major sports franchises since 1994.

    Have the most wins since 1994
    Most playoff wins since 1994
    Most SB wins since 1994
    Most SB appearances since 1994
    Sold out every game since 1994

    #CRYBABYNATION

  73. The number one seed in the AFC will likely play the better team than the two seed in the divisional round if KC and Pitt are the wild card teams and just one of them wins.

    The ideal draw would be bye, then Indy, and then a team with a backup QB in the championship game.

  74. beanzze says:
    Dec 14, 2015 8:05 PM
    People like to forget the Pats going after a coach under contract and getting caught as well. Forced to give up 2- 1st round picks.

    harrisonhits2

    Kraft began his professional career with the Rand-Whitney Group, a Worcester-based packaging company run by his father-in-law Jacob Hiatt.

    So nice try ace. He fell into his father-in-laws company and then was handed it.
    _______________

    Talk about nice tries. No one was “caught” the Pats requested permission to talk with Belichick and Parcells ‘resigned’ in order to move “upstairs” so he could promote BB to be HC of the NYJ per a clause in his contract, keeping him from the hated Patriots. Parcells screwed Kraft one more time in their tit for tat dance to recover the 1st rounder the Jets gave up for signing Parcells. Tagliabue agreed that BB was technically under contract and the 2 teams NEGOTIATED a (AS IN ONE) first rounder as compensation even though Belichick had resigned a day after Parcells’ fast one.

    Kraft took over Rand Whitney, the company his father in law ran but did not own, in a LEVERAGED BUYOUT. The only thing you get handed in a leveraged buyout is your head if you fail.

  75. winninaintsinnin says:
    Dec 14, 2015 7:31 PM
    Pats have played exactly two teams with winning records. They’re 1-1


    Actually they have played three to date with winning records and are 2-1, with the “1” being one play in overtime. It’s a silly stat to track really, since in theory they have played teams like the Colts who did have a winning record at the time they played the Pats.

    Just in case Patriot Hater is wondering what actual “FACTS” look like. 🙂
    =========

    Actually you’re wrong and he’s right.

    Look at the teams the Pats have played; two with winning records and 1-1.

    That’s an indication of the the weak schedule.

    And that is a FACT😊

    ——–

    Um, someone apparently has a reading problem.

    Week 1, vs. Pittsburgh – W
    Week 7, vs. Jets – W
    Week 12, vs. Broncos – L

    Now, if you count the Ws there, you will see there are two. And if you count the Ls (still following?), you will see there are one. Therefore, the Patriots are 2-1 against teams with a winning record.

    You’re welcome.

  76. Hey smarterthanyou,
    There are 11 teams with winning records in the league right now. The Pats have played three of them, and have a record of 2 and 1. They beat the Steelers and the Jets, and lost to the Broncos. Get your facts straight.

  77. No factman, Kraft did not have everything handed to him. In 1988, Kraft outbid several competitors to buy Sullivan Stadium out of bankruptcy court from then Patriots owner Sullivan for $22 million. The stadium was considered to be outdated and nearly worthless, but the purchase included the stadium’s lease to the Patriots, which ran through 2001. That gave Kraft the competitive edge to buy the Patriots. I suspect he has had the best track record as an owner in the history of the NFL. He was also smart enough to hire in his 20 years of ownership of the Patriots only two head coaches, Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick, one who may be the best coach in NFL history and the other who took his team to the last two super bowls. You, sir, post virtually the same rant to every Patriots tread.

  78. Actually you’re wrong and he’s right.

    Look at the teams the Pats have played; two with winning records and 1-1.

    That’s an indication of the the weak schedule.

    And that is a FACT😊

    —-

    Tee hee 🙂 Case in point… it really is funny how Patriot Hater calls things that are fantasy, wishful thinking, fairy tale or just flat out wrong as “FACT”. 🙂

    Oh in case you were wondering…The champs have played PIT, NYJ and DEN. All 3 have winning records presently.

    #ThanksForPlaying
    #DoUrHomeworkBeforeUCallPeopleOut

  79. “In the past 20 years a couple of stadiums, Gillette and FedEx, can be fairly said to have been built with no public assistance other than for infrastructure improvements that would accompany any project of that size”

    Yes the state spent 50 million improving the roads. But not a single dime of public money went for the stadium.

    “Kraft began his professional career with the Rand-Whitney Group, a Worcester-based packaging company run by his father-in-law Jacob Hiatt.

    So nice try ace. He fell into his father-in-laws company and then was handed it.”

    Uh no. He went to work and eventually executed a leveraged takeover of the company. Keywords on work and takeover. He was not handed or given a company.

  80. NE Frauds represent their fanbase well, it also shows they aren’t selfmade when things go wrong by their reaction, you can tell they’ve never faced real adversity. They panic over a holding penalty and commit to lies like the Deflator was trying to lose weight. People with real perspective would own it and move on. But the NE prissy gals argue over it.

  81. smelltheglove2 says:
    Dec 14, 2015 8:46 PM
    Hey smarterthanyou,
    There are 11 teams with winning records in the league right now. The Pats have played three of them, and have a record of 2 and 1. They beat the Steelers and the Jets, and lost to the Broncos. Get your facts straight.

    —-
    Baaahaha. If I got completely powned like that poster did I would be too ashamed to click on this topic again.

    🙂

  82. The Texans finish out the season playing Indy with their 3rd string QB, Tennessee who couldn’t beat their way out of a paper bag, and Jacksonville at home.

    Even with Yates under center, the Texans can win out..

    Hopefully to play (and once again beat) Cincinnati in the playoffs.

  83. factman66 says:
    Dec 14, 2015 6:49 PM
    What has Robert Kraft ever done in his life? I mean, he inherited every penny to his name…What is there to respect? He’s a flat out loser, and has proven zero worth. What has Kraft ever earned in his entire life?
    Absolutely nothing….
    ________________

    The Pats wins have pushed factman past the point of making things up all the way to no shame.

    “What has Robert Kraft ever done in his life? I mean, he inherited every penny to his name”
    He is a self made billionaire, he did not inherit his wealth. Again Forbes, among other sources. Care to post any rebuttal facts from actual sources? Of course not

    “What is there to respect?”
    His philanthropy is legendary. He is the only owner in the 45-year history of the honor to be selected for the George Halas Award by the Pro Football Writers of America. The award is presented annually to the NFL player, coach or staff member who overcomes the most adversity to succeed.

    “What has Kraft ever earned in his entire life?
    Absolutely nothing”
    About $5B, that’s a heck of a lot of nothing.

  84. No idea why folks are scared of the Steelers…they have a brutal defense. And Big Ben is awesome, but he lays some bad eggs on occasion…they could string a couple of wins, but I doubt they could make it to the big dance (need to dominate time of possession). Time will tell.

  85. factman66 says:
    Dec 14, 2015 6:35 PM

    Kraft=proven fraud
    Belichick= proven fraud
    Brady= proven fraud
    NE= shameless people who support proven frauds.

    Kraft+Belicheat+Brady+Ignorant NE fans=The most disgusting cheaters in professional sports history.
    =====================================
    Well put.

  86. My bad, missed the Jets, so how many games under .500 are your opponents?

    LOL

    Didn’t realize you will actually have to play 1-2 likely playoff teams.

    Have you started a ten man protest march yet?

  87. The only likely fact about “factman” is that he is a fan of some sorry team that the Patriots have pounded into oblivion over the years, and he is very, very hurt. We don’t know which one, but there are a number of them on the list.

    Other than that, judging by his baseless, lying, slanderous posts, he is in “fact” lower than those he is trying to fraudulently defame. It’s a sad existence.

  88. factman66 says:
    Dec 14, 2015 8:22 PM
    Come on NE, tell us your hardships of private schools, your parents paying your college tuition, and your daddy handing you over their business. Your stories of being selfmade are sooooo inspiring lol.

    ————-

    I have read many of your posts and I believe you have some serious psychological problems. You need to get off the internet and seek some help son. Feeling inadequate and angry is no way to go through life.

  89. Tee hee 🙂 I already knew Patriot Hater is so much fun to slap around on this board and they prove me right every time!

    I think I should post here much more often!

    🙂

  90. In a rather bizarre coincidence Pittsburgh and KC both have 2 of their remaining 3 against the Ravens and Browns. The Jets have a very winnable game in Dallas this week but close out hosting NE and going to Buffalo. This is probably going down to the wire.

  91. Me inadequate? Nah, I am the American dream. I rose up from the gutter, earned my education through scholarships, and have a position based on my merits. Don’t ever confuse somebody like Kraft with me, its disrespectful to confuse a selfmade man like myself with a trust fund baby like him. Don’t get it twisted, NE…

  92. My bad, missed the Jets, so how many games under .500 are your opponents?

    LOL

    Didn’t realize you will actually have to play 1-2 likely playoff teams.

    Have you started a ten man protest march yet?
    —-
    Tee hee 🙂 It’s so adorable watching inferior fans of inferior teams giving their opinions on the World Champion Patriots! 🙂

    It’s like watching puny little chihuahuas giving their opinions on the grizzly bear down the street!

    🙂

  93. Robert Kraft apparently had an entire life of private schooling, Ivy League educations, and somehow managed to “start” his career at a place where he would quickly take over it. Think about it — you’d have to be extremely privileged to be able to take over the first company you work for within the first couple of years. No one’s handing a kid financing for a “leveraged buyout” unless he’s got some serious cash or backers.

    So, yeah, he pretty much had his entire fortune handed to him. You’re pretty naive if you can’t see how all of that works..

  94. Who has the highest QB rating in the NFL?

    (Hint: he’s gone to two SBs in his first three years as well as the highest QB rating ever in years 1-3)
    ————————–
    Is it the same guy that threw a pick from the one yard line that cost his team the SB?

  95. I don’t care if Kraft was handed 20 billion at birth (he wasn’t, he’s smart and hard working) he still has run the best team in sports over the past 20 yrs, saved the pats from going to St Louis (ewww), built a stadium with his own funds, was instrumental in ending the strike in 2011 ( remember him and Jeff Saturday hugging it out afterwards) and gives millions in charity every year. Best owner in sports, besides Jerry jones. Hahahaha that’s just silly

  96. Kolo Jezdec says:
    Dec 14, 2015 7:44 PM

    AND Pats fumbles already surpass last season with three games left.
    ————-
    Wrong. They had 13 last season, 12 this season.
    —————-
    And 2 of those this season were on punt returns.
    ————————————————————-
    Punt returns of course use the K ball, which are controlled by the refs, and are thus not part of the comparison.

  97. How’s this for a fun scenario? 🙂

    KC wins out (likely), Jets win out (less likely), DEN loses to CIN and PIT… and the Broncos will miss the playoffs.
    ___________________________________
    With Kubiak as the coach there is a chance the Broncos lose ALL 3 games. But I doubt the Jets win out, with NE and Buffalo left

  98. The AFC South sucks, but it’s my AFC South. I’d love to see the Texans win at Indy for the first time ever on the way to a 9-7 division-winning record. Not going to lie though: the Jags look pretty damn good right now.

  99. Lets assume Kraft inherited every penny.

    Who cares?

    there are 31 other owners –

    Please detail their history or wealth accumulation and how they acquired their teams, how they have supported the community, how they have managed their teams and how much public funding they received for their stadiums. Then compare that to Kraft.

    I’ll be waiting

  100. The Pats have 2 wins against teams with winning records. The same amount the Panthers have… (The NFC South also ended up with the NFC East/AFC South combo platter).

  101. patriots123456 says:
    Dec 14, 2015 6:51 PM
    I can’t believe there are only three games left in the regular season.

    Seems like this season flew by…
    ————————————–
    Indeed it does. It must suck to be a fan of a team who never reaches the playoffs. At least in the OffSeason we have more Tom Brady Vs The NFL 😀

  102. (:26) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right intended for R.Lockette INTERCEPTED by M.Butler at NE -1. M.Butler to NE 2 for 3 yards (R.Lockette).

    🙂

    #Ouch
    #WhatAGutPunchForPatriotHater
    #TheyStillHaventRecoveredTeeHee

  103. randomjoeblow says:
    Dec 14, 2015 10:07 PM
    Robert Kraft apparently had an entire life of private schooling, Ivy League educations, and somehow managed to “start” his career at a place where he would quickly take over it. Think about it — you’d have to be extremely privileged to be able to take over the first company you work for within the first couple of years. No one’s handing a kid financing for a “leveraged buyout” unless he’s got some serious cash or backers.

    So, yeah, he pretty much had his entire fortune handed to him. You’re pretty naive if you can’t see how all of that works.
    _____________________

    Nice try cupcake, you’re pretty naive to think no one here would know the actual facts. Long time Pats fans and season ticket holders know his story well, he was one after all and it was such a joy to get him as an owner that there was a line for season tickets the morning after he bought the team and they have been sold out ever since. Kraft attended public school in Brookline, MA and attended Columbia on a scholarship. That ‘kid’ was able to put together financial backing because many people with some money, not a few with a lot, recognized a winner when they saw one.

    But don’t take our word for it, Forbes ranked Kraft with a self made score of 8, which they use to denote: Self-made who came from a middle- or upper-middle-class background. So yeah, he pretty much made his entire fortune himself and has done a fair job of giving back as well.

  104. Right now, the Colts look the weakest of the three in the AFC South. Did you miss the game Sunday where Jax put up 51 points against Indianapolis?

  105. Kraft isn’t selfmade, only a moron or fellow trust fund baby would say he is. Keep pretending, NE… Nobody believes anything you say anyways.

  106. Guys, here is the most likely scenario. Bills win out. Jets lose to Patriots and Buffalo in week 17. Denver beats Pitt… Johnny Football leads a miracle week 17 victory at home over the Steelers. The Bills make the Playoffs…..

    Being a Bills fan is getting ridiculous.

  107. smarterthanyouoryours says:
    Dec 14, 2015 9:31 PM
    Who has the highest QB rating in the NFL?
    _______________

    Someone irrelevant to this discussion that threw arguably the biggest int in the most crucial moment of all time

  108. Kraft isn’t selfmade, only a moron or fellow trust fund baby would say he is. Keep pretending, NE… Nobody believes anything you say anyways.
    ===
    Forbes Magazine says he is.

    Who are you again?

  109. Come playoff time, the Steelers will still be OUTSIDE LOOKING IN. LOL.

  110. FYI…..the raiders are not eliminated just yet. It might take a miracle. But if they win out they will hold the tie breaker over the Jets, and if they beat KC by more than 14 they would hold the tie breaker over them as well…….nothing wrong with dreaming.

    Go Raiders …win out!

  111. factman: if Kraft was a trust fund baby, how did he qualify for a scholarship to Columbia?

    Just read his wikipedia biography.

  112. smarterthanyouoryours says:
    Dec 14, 2015 9:31 PM
    Who has the highest QB rating in the NFL?
    —————-
    What quarterback has the most rings in the NFL?

  113. “Todd Bowles has done a great job with what he got from the guy who is the coach in Buffalo”
    ______________________

    Plus basically a whole new secondary, Leonard Williams, Fitzpatrick, and Marshall. I’m a Bills fan and I hate Rex and do agree that Bowles is a better coach, but acting like he is doing this with the same roster Rex had last year is a joke. Last year’s Jets team was quite possibly the least talented team in the NFL. Belicheck would’ve had a hard time managing 6 wins out of that group.

  114. I think you all might have missed it: OP didn’t list WHICH five are the good teams.

    Bengals
    Broncos
    Chiefs
    Jets
    Steelers

    You can’t list the Colts as a “good team” because their record shows that they are below average.

  115. I doubt a certain poster realizes the razor thin difference between a trust fund and scholarship. Pretty sure it’s free money in either scenario. If a line in the sand is being drawn on earning anything I’m not certain I’d stand in front of the mirror too long.

  116. Pittsburgh’s game against the broncos will not even be close, it’s going to be over by halftime…..watch and see, they’re receiving corps is too much for Denver’s db’s and when D’angelo is plowing thru they’re front line and bouncing to the outside…..ooooohhhhhh watch out…….

  117. I’d rather a trust fund baby owner than a second-generation derelict like the Dolts owner. Ol’ jimmy’s had his drugs handed to him on a silver platter his entire life

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