Mike Zimmer on Pat Shurmur: Good to get more guys that have input

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The Vikings hired Pat Shurmur to be their tight ends coach in a move that came after speculation that Shurmur would come onboard with a different title due to his past experience as both a head coach and offensive coordinator.

Head coach Mike Zimmer said that the team isn’t really “into titles” and that they brought Shurmur to the team to be a position coach first and foremost. With that said, Zimmer also likes that Shurmur has experience in different offensive systems than the one that offensive coordinator Norv Turner runs so they can provide different views about what the unit should be doing.

“He’s had experience. He’s been with a lot of different offenses, been a head coach, been an offensive coordinator. He’s coached the tight ends before,” Zimmer said, via Scout.com. “He’s had some experience with the Philadelphia offense, the West Coast offense. I think it’s just good to get more guys in that have input.”

Zimmer doesn’t expect Shurmur’s input to make radical changes to the offense — “we’re not going to have two-minute possessions” — but added that there are things the team likes about other schemes that they’d like to implement as they build their playbook for next season.

51 responses to “Mike Zimmer on Pat Shurmur: Good to get more guys that have input

  1. Is this going to be a case of too many coook?

    How long before the coaches like Sporano Shurmer or Norval feel “thier style” would fit the Vikings best and then you will have a schism in the coaches office.

    The best thing they could do for tis offense is to tell AP to cool it about being concerned about his touches, this is a team game and the quicker AP realizes the quicker they can focus on fixing that offense.

  2. When Zimmer sets his mind to fix something, he fixes it. I have a lot of confidence that the offense will take a big step forward next season. He’s already made major changes to the offensive coaches. I expect at least one major free agent acquisition and the draft will have more of an offensive focus. Teddy is going to change that Pat Neshek-like delivery, which should help his deep ball accuracy. Finally, Zim is going to let Norv know in no uncertain terms that running the ball 85% of the time on first and second down is no longer our bread and butter.

  3. “Zimmer said the team isn’t really ‘into titles.'”

    You think?
    No kidding?!?
    Well, why break with 54 years of futility?

  4. There are too many cooks in that kitchen.

    Take it from a fan whose team has had one of the best offenses in football for most of the last quarter century and who knows from recent experience what changing things just to change them does to a coaching staff.

    The Vikings are in for a BIG fall next year- with their awful “offense” leading the way.

  5. What I hope this means is the continued emergence of some of the younger players on offense next year, especially McKinnon, Diggs and Pruitt.

    What the Vikings really need to do is fix that OL. That will allow for more variety on offense, and hopefully better play-calling. The offense was far too predictable this past season, and for Bridgewater to take a significant step forward, that is going to have to change.

  6. I believe this is a thinly veiled notification to Norv and Scotty Turner that their contracts will not be renewed.
    Turner’s offense is even more predictable than his predecessor!
    The only time they threw on first down was when they were behind. Run/Run/Pass then Run/Pass/Pass.
    There isn’t a worse QB Coach than Scott Turner. Any
    decent QB Coach would have changed Bridgewaters delivery. He is only there as a package deal with Daddy.
    Mike Zimmer is a true Perfectionist. He will support his Coaches and Players, absolutly at least publicly. There is NO way, after waiting for over 20 years to get his Head Coaching job, he is settling for
    less than 100% production from those under him.
    His O line Coach has already proven it.
    Coach Zimmer is a “Fixer” I’d say he is about 2/3rds there.

  7. “we’re not going to have two-minute possessions”

    Then how do you explain Norv Turner’s run, run, pass, punt offense that takes about 2 minutes off the clock?

  8. zerotrophiessince1961 says:
    Jan 27, 2016 4:30 PM

    There are too many cooks in that kitchen.

    Take it from a fan whose team has had one of the best offenses in football for most of the last quarter century and who knows from recent experience what changing things just to change them does to a coaching staff.

    The Vikings are in for a BIG fall next year- with their awful “offense” leading the way.
    ========================================================================
    Just because the Packers have fallen doesn’t mean
    Minnesota will. The big difference is Zimmer is still Building the team, not “changing just to change”.

  9. I’ve never seen a coach make a catch, pass the ball or make a tackle so just how important could one assistant coach be?

    In the case of the Vikings, even less so.

  10. deltaoracle says:
    Jan 27, 2016 4:25 PM

    “Zimmer said the team isn’t really ‘into titles.’”

    You think?
    No kidding?!?
    Well, why break with 54 years of futility?
    _________

    I have to admit, he walked into that one. Good catch.

  11. tjacks7 says:
    Jan 27, 2016 4:41 PM

    “we’re not going to have two-minute possessions”

    Then how do you explain Norv Turner’s run, run, pass, punt offense that takes about 2 minutes off the clock?
    __________

    This one I was expecting. Surprisingly, the Vikings had the fewest three-and-out drives in the NFL this year.

  12. I’ve never seen a coach make a catch, pass the ball or make a tackle so just how important could one assistant coach be?

    In the case of the Vikings, even less so.

    Pretty important if he’s able to do anything other than run, run, pass, punt.

  13. This one I was expecting. Surprisingly, the Vikings had the fewest three-and-out drives in the NFL this year.

    My mistake. Run, run, pass, run, run, pass, punt.

  14. Norseman says:
    Jan 27, 2016 4:37 PM
    Using pistol depth would be a nice addition to add to the Vikings offense, for a variety of reasons.
    _______________

    I don’t feel AP enjoys running out of Shot gun like sets, and while it would help Theodore immensly last season the Offense seemed as if it needed to be catered to APs style of play, the offense needs to hit the reset button if they are going to compete for more than just divisions.

  15. lambeaudungbarn says:
    Jan 27, 2016 4:40 PM
    I believe this is a thinly veiled notification to Norv and Scotty Turner that their contracts will not be renewed.
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    Then this means that Zimmer doesn’t believe in Norv and Turner, and so he’s an idiot for not making a change now. Either Zimmer’s an idiot or you are. Good news is, one of you is safe. For now.

  16. I personally think Zimmer wants out of the franchise and is goading Ziggy into hiring “names” – so that in a year or so he can convince Wilf “Look, you got some good coaches from which to choose, I’m outta here.”

    And I can’t say many can blame him.

  17. If they can’t build up Brdgewaters arm to throw deep then it won’t matter because Norv’s offense had guys wide open for TD’s, even against Seattle and TB couldn’t throw it. The game should have never come down to the absent minded kicker. Fix TB’s noodle arm or get someone who can run and throw deep too, like Kap. TB is a winner though. Please take roids and hgh and get stronger

  18. whatjusthapped says:
    Jan 27, 2016 4:45 PM

    I’ve never seen a coach make a catch, pass the ball or make a tackle so just how important could one assistant coach be?
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    Only a moron wouldn’t understand the value of good coaching.

  19. Make McKinnon the starter next year, look at what Philly backs did when Shurmur was there. AP was the leading rusher last year, but he wasn’t that impressive to me compared to past seasons. This coming from a Vikings fan. SKOL

  20. vikesfansteve says:

    If they can’t build up Brdgewaters arm to throw deep then it won’t matter because Norv’s offense had guys wide open for TD’s, even against Seattle and TB couldn’t throw it.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    You do realize that in most cases, Teddy simply over threw the WR’s on those plays.

    It’s not that he can’t throw it that far – he just needs to get the timing and accuracy on the long passes.

  21. gtodriver says:
    Jan 27, 2016 7:50 PM

    You do realize that in most cases, Teddy simply over threw the WR’s on those plays.

    It’s not that he can’t throw it that far – he just needs to get the timing and accuracy on the long passes.

    —————–

    No. It’s just that he’s not very good.

  22. lambeaudungbarn says:
    Jan 27, 2016 4:45 PM

    Just because the Packers have fallen doesn’t mean
    Minnesota will. The big difference is Zimmer is still Building the team, not “changing just to change”.
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    Sure, he’s building a team. With ex-Packer coaches who aren’t good enough to even get a coordinator job anywhere else. Either Pat is going to do a great job and get frustrated with his position, or he’ll suck and not improve anything.

    There is nothing the Vikings gain by signing washed up head guys to be a position coach. Especially since they seem to hire fired coaches and players from the team you are continually trying to catch at a ridiculous rate.

    And no, their single division title doesn’t mean they are the long term daddy of the division. Anyone not wearing purple knows that.

  23. Yep I know. Throwing too early and at a flatter directory causing an overthrow because his arm isn’t strong enough to throw it deep and accurate at a higher arc. You do realize that right?

  24. zerotrophiessince1961 says:

    No. It’s just that he’s not very good.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Good enough to beat your team at home and bring the NFC North Championship back to where it belongs.

    Says a lot about the quality of your squad.

    His record against the NFC North was 5 – 1. Remind me how Rodgers did (and Rodgers had the refs give him a win at Detroit).

  25. Off season goal – figure out how to get Teddy in the best spot to throw 25 + TD’s. Defense will only get better next season, start to make teams play from behind and there will be plenty of deep playoff runs in the future.

  26. Compared to Zimmer and his exemplary coaching staff, Mike McFatso and his questionable staff are dog coaches.

  27. Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Jan 27, 2016 10:13 PM
    Offensive coordinator by committee. What could go wrong?
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    Could be worse. We could have McCarthy calling plays with the eventual hail mary here and there.

  28. gtodriver says:
    Jan 28, 2016 6:36 AM
    zerotrophiessince1961 says:

    No. It’s just that he’s not very good.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Good enough to beat your team at home and bring the NFC North Championship back to where it belongs. Says a lot about the quality of your squad. His record against the NFC North was 5 – 1. Remind me how Rodgers did (and Rodgers had the refs give him a win at Detroit).
    —————————————–
    I will state it again, for the record: Green Bay SEVERELY underachieved this year on offense. They have been in the top 10 offensive units every year except 3 since 1991. And they were the 5th youngest offensive starting unit in the league. 2015’s performance on that side of the ball was a result of a bad divvying up of offensive coaching responsibilities by MM. That won’t be repeated.

    And GBs defense? Very solid. ST? Very solid.

    With the offensive prowess of the great Green Bay Packers likely back in form in 2016, the division dominance will be going back to GB – until ARod retires. This past year was a fluke. Simply because he’s a heck of a lot better than Teddy Bridgewater will ever be. Anyone saying different is drinking waaaaay too much purple kool-aid.

    Argument won. Enjoy the offseason. 🙂

  29. One season does not a team make. If the Packers have demonstrated anything, it’s consistency. They have one of the youngest rosters in the league and a top-five quarterback.

    Nobody believes the Vikings have suddenly leapfrogged the Packers. Nobody. Including real Viking fans……not the blowhards found here.

  30. stellarperformance says:
    Jan 28, 2016 8:20 PM
    One season does not a team make. If the Packers have demonstrated anything, it’s consistency. They have one of the youngest rosters in the league and a top-five quarterback.
    ———
    Had, a top 5 quarterback.

  31. I believe that Coach Zimmer a strong enough leadership presence and personality to keep any ‘ too many cooks’ issues in check. He is going to go out and get the best qualified minds he can to get to help the team. Then he will lead them in working together.

    It is refreshing to see someone who is confident enough in their leadership, that they do not shy away from leading a staff of strong minds. I think ultimately it will pay Zimmer back greatly.

  32. igocommando says:
    Jan 28, 2016 11:33 PM
    Had, a top 5 quarterback.
    ///////////////////////////////////////

    As I said…one season does not a team make, and that goes for Rodgers and Bridgewater both. Rodgers was down, Bridgewater was up. Next year the opposite could just as easily occur. No guarantees. Rodgers has demonstrated consistency many years in a row and had a very good statistical season in 2015. Most teams would die to have their QB produce as he did this year. He just didn’t produce on par with his own standards. That can change. Viking fans know this…(the real ones, not the blowhards on this site.)

  33. igocommando says:
    Jan 28, 2016 11:33 PM
    stellarperformance says:
    Jan 28, 2016 8:20 PM
    One season does not a team make. If the Packers have demonstrated anything, it’s consistency. They have one of the youngest rosters in the league and a top-five quarterback.
    ———
    Had, a top 5 quarterback.
    ———
    Unreal. HE’s 32!!! He’s a 1st ballot HOF that is healthy. He had a down season that he STILL threw for over 30 TDs and under 15 ints.

    They say you can’t fix stupid. I guess they’re right.

  34. I find it funny the very Packer trolls who cry and chirp about Viking trolls being on Packer articles are infecting this post. I’m looking at you Stellar.

    Also. Haha people are comparing a QB drafted 10 years ago compared to one drafted 2 years ago. One rode the pine behind a HOF QB and became a futureHOF QB. The other was forced to start 4 games into his rookie season and just completed his first full season.

    People who continue to compare Rodgers stats to H20 are dumb, and are probably busy planting evidence on the Avery property.

  35. 13worldchampioinships says:
    Jan 29, 2016 5:12 PM
    I find it funny the very Packer trolls who cry and chirp about Viking trolls being on Packer articles are infecting this post. I’m looking at you Stellar
    ////////////////////
    I’m reactive, not proactive.

    Is your name spelled correctly? Did you do that on purpose? Why?

  36. Forget about cooks, there are too many complainers in the kitchen. How can you judge any play calling when the OL is so weak? AP, Teddy and Diggs did all they could to hide those weakness…and they almost pulled it off into the divisional round.

    AP led the league in rushing. That’s huge, or at least 45% of the reason the team went 11-5. How can you run the ball if you don’t run it? It isn’t like they get 80-plays a game.

    No one can say for sure what Zimmer is really thinking, but I’d guess he’s more focused on pass protection than play calling. I recall Turner’s offense in Dallas as a dominate dual threat, but there isn’t an Aikman or Irvin on the roaster.

  37. Minnesota had some bad losses, including the opener (to the 49ers) and, of course, the wild-card heartbreaker to the Seahawks. But the Vikings are an ascendant team. The defense, which ranked fifth in points allowed, is powered by several good, young players, like Everson Griffen, Harrison Smith, Anthony Barr, Eric Kendricks, Linval Joseph and Danielle Hunter. Hunter is a gem who picked up six sacks and really came on at the end of the year. Teddy Bridgewater improved quite a bit in his second pro season; I think the hard-working quarterback can keep getting better under coordinator Norv Turner. And, of course, there’s running back Adrian Peterson, who showed he’s still got it at 30. Peterson led the NFL in rushing despite working behind a so-so line, and I think he’s got a great chance to do it again next year.

    The Vikings are by no means perfect — they need to add some speed at receiver (Mike Wallace is fast, but he’s not the answer), and Bridgewater has room to grow. But it looks like the Packers are a bit of a descending team, making the NFC North more of an open division than it’s been in some time. Plus, playing in a brand-new stadium should provide a boost. Minnesota is simply trending in the right direction for long-term success.

    Gil Brandt

  38. usdcoyotesfan says:
    Jan 28, 2016 11:18 PM

    FACT: Bridgewater has never beaten an AFC South or AFC North team.

    ))))))))))))))))))

    False statement as written here. Teddy beat the Steelers in the HOF Game last July.

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