NFL blows chance to fully understand football air pressure

AP

It was clear when the NFL decided only to randomly check the PSI of game balls in 2015 that the league had no interest in the kind of comprehensive study that would allow the league to understand a phenomenon it apparently hadn’t even considered before January of 2015: How air pressure behaves in footballs during games. It’s now clear that the NFL has no interest in developing any understanding at all as to how air pressure works.

Instead, the objective is to catch more cheaters.

The statements made by Commissioner Roger Goodell on Tuesday confirmed the message he sent in October regarding the periodic testing of footballs during games. It’s not about understanding the science, it’s about enforcing the rules.

The disclosure from Goodell, coming three days before his annual pre-Super Bowl press conference, most likely means that there will be no summaries or other data released by the league regarding the 2015 measurements. Instead, by declaring that no violations were detected in 2015, Goodell turned the entire exercise into a pass/fail exam, with all teams passing.

It’s not surprising, given that a comprehensive study would have clarified the extent of the league’s failure regarding #DeflateGate, where the league blended troubling text messages generated well before the Colts-Patriots AFC title game with numbers that constituted, without consideration of the Ideal Gas Law, evidence of tampering into a conclusion that it was more likely than not that cheating happened that day. Full analysis of the PSI reading of all balls during all of the 333 preseason, regular-season, and postseason 2015 games quite possibly would have led to the conclusion that Ted Wells and company showed have reached in May: That the evidence as to whether the Patriots tampered with the footballs prior to the AFC title game is inconclusive at best.

So instead of trying to better understand how and why #DeflateGate went off the rails, the league set up an effort to check from time to time whether footballs remained within the approved range of 12.5 to 13.5 PSI. Surely, there were occasions when the balls strayed beyond those limits, especially when the Seahawks and Vikings played in arctic conditions last month. What formulas were used to determine whether the footballs were naturally or unnaturally deflated? And would those formulas, if applied to the outdoor conditions during the Colts-Patriots AFC title game, have resulted in expected PSI measurements comparable to the actual measurements generated that day by either or both of the two pressure gauges used?

Basically, the league found a way to create the impression that it has created a system for checking footballs without creating evidence that could have exonerated the Patriots, or at worst shown that Wells and his investigators failed to parlay their multi-million-dollar fee into a cracking of the case.

A full and complete analysis of the footballs in 2015 may have helped the league get to the truth. Which may have prompted the league to restore New England’s draft-pick penalty and rescind its fine. Which could be the main reason why the NFL opted not to learn everything there was to learn about PSI behavior during the 2015 season.

177 responses to “NFL blows chance to fully understand football air pressure

  1. How do we know they really didn’t collect data? Maybe the data collected didn’t support his theory, so he simply ignored it, like Wells ignored the referees recollection of which gauge he used.

  2. Typically of the NFl and Goodell to do a poor job of investigating anything. Now Goodell will probably blame Brady and the Pats for the poor job of checking the footballs.

  3. Can’t say it enough. One of the networks needs to sack up and test this during a live broadcast. How about during the Super Bowl with the largest audience possible? The low temp is forecast to be around 47.

  4. And this shouldn’t surprise anyone. When the head of the league (goodell) is so incompetent this is what you get. When great leadership and anticipation will help past rulings and future rulings while setting president and help setting rules… You get a league stumbling all over themselves looking foolish and coming up with nothing that helps anyone or anything!
    Good job Roger, keep up the great work earning all those millions of dollars.

  5. If they measured the air pressure in footballs properly then they ultimately would have had to have exonerated the Patriots. That was never going to happen.

  6. and what exactly is the matter with catching cheaters?

    this isn’t rocket science, you attach a pressure gauge to a football and read the pressure, every ball needs to be in a specified range…. there isn’t a monstrous study required to understand it…. they just need to do it, which they are now doing,

    much adoo about nothing

  7. …….. In your opinion, but all stated as fact. Do you still object to a doctor, who is an expert in his field, sharing his opinion on another matter ?

  8. Because it was never about the truth. It was always about making 31 owners happy and to find a new way to try and get parity in the league. They can’t have 1 team dominating the better part of 2 decades.

  9. I dunno. Goodell’s done a pretty good job with just his kneejerk reactions affecting a sport he doesn’t understand. He’d probably be more dangerous if he knew what he was doing.

  10. New England will go crazy if NFL announces that it will prepare a summary for the 2016 season… after the 2016 NFL draft 🙂

  11. Boy, the Patriots are getting railroaded. I am surprised there is no recourse. It is time the government gets involved before these owners and commissioner destroy the game we love. Fraud, theft by deception, something must apply.

    I wonder if a class action lawsuit is possible as we pay extra on our cable bills for the NFL Network. That is the angle to go after whereas you need to show actual damages.

  12. Amen!! It’s so obvious that’s it’s actually laughable that you have that many wealthy smart people now down to this imbicil of a comish… The NFL got exposed yet again. The pats lost the AFC title game, but I guarantee you Brady is laughing his ass off right now

  13. Great article. Does anyone really believe that the NFL league office didn’t learn anything from the data that was collected? Roger Goodell and the henchmen in the league office have no integrity, and neither do the owners that employ them.

  14. Hat tip to Florio. He makes a lot of sense.

    The NFL could quite easily have gathered an entire year’s worth of data, under a variety of weather conditions, by taking taking measurements at every game.

  15. Based on the rules as they stand it is impossible that no team broke them this year based on the random checks. There were definitely footballs coming out of a cold game that would have been lower than 12.5. There is no other rule.

    Since the NFL has done no baseline testing, and doesn’t have any official variance in the rules for lower PSI caused by weather, how could they test that balls that were lower than 12.5 were actually within the rules?

  16. What happens if there is a small leak in the ball caused by use that reduces air pressure. Could a team be blamed? I am sure it has to happen from time to time since the balls are so worked in that are used. I am sure that used to be an easily solvable problem, as the officials just squeeze the ball and test it and ask for a replacement. We used to know what a catch was too.

  17. Goodell takes all the integrity away from the NFL. He is a proven liar who would best serve the NFL by taking a long walk on a short pier.

  18. If only Brady hadn’t destroyed his phone the Pats might have been let off.

    I guess the lesson should be, when the NFL asks for your phone and you are an employee within the league, give it to them.

    Perhaps the League will do a study next year on ball pressure.

  19. The league is not interested in the truth. If they showed the truth Goodell would need to admit he was wrong and give back the Patriots’ draft picks and $1M. He would also need to apologize to Brady, Kraft and eat a big heaping helping of crow.

  20. They understood what happens to the PSI AFTER the initial slagging when the scientists of the world spoke out…the PSI checks this season is all “Window Dressing”, typical NFL Brass band aid solution…and guess what? The effects of Concussions are not real either…just ask them…can’t wait til Brady goes through another round of court appeals and subpena’s the test results from this season…Roger’s “transparency” will eventually be seen.

  21. Why is it so hard for people to understand? If the ball deflated due to the weather then why hasn’t this been an issue before? Patriot fans don’t be mad at Goodell, he is on Krafts team. He covers up as much as he can that’s why it’s always opposing teams that catch them cheating and not the NFL.

  22. It’s one of the most disgusting displays of arrogance i have evr witnessed in my entire life. I could not be more embarrassed by 32 billionaires than i am right now. That includes you Mr. Kraft!

  23. I think that Goodell’s comments actually constitute prima facie evidence that the data exonerated the Patriots. If the data (and we know they collected it) confirmed that the Patriots had tampered with the balls, they would be trumpeting that information from the rooftops. The fact that they aren’t means that the data shows exactly what all of the non-bought-and-paid for scientists have said – there was no tampering with the footballs during that game.

    And then, of course, the league would have to give the Patriots their draft picks back. That’s obviously never going to happen, so the data has to be discarded and buried.

  24. Please. The Pats cheat, they’ve cheated for years, and everyone knows it.

  25. Goodell is a liar. They realized the stats they kept would exonerate Brady so they destroyed them. I don’t believe for one second they didn’t keep the stats

    Bob Kraft should sue, the Pats lost another first round pick for being the best team of the past 15 years.

  26. Its really the Patriot fans who don’t understand the Ideal Gas Law. I doesn’t work on objects that expand or contract under pressure. If the size a shape of footballs remained constant the law would have some meaning. Your defense is seriously flawed, especially when cheating Tom is accused of not cooperating with an investigation.

  27. It’s sad it really is the state of the NFL right now. This guy (Goodell) is such a liar and sneak.
    When he first got the commish job I applauded him for his approach to holding players accountable for their actions. Every job has disciplinary guidelines and the NFL should be no different. In fact all sports have much more lenient guidelines than say my job does. Maybe rightfully so but either way sports in general has to have some.

    Well Gooddell has completely crossed the line from disciplinarian to judge, jury and executioner.
    From his handling of Spygate to Bountygate to Ray Ricegate this guy has lied at every turn.
    Now I know he makes a boatload of money ($35m) this year alone, but is there a point in time where he would every say this is wrong what we’re doing to these teams/players?

    He stands at a podium during last years Super Bowl and cries integrity, integrity, integrity yet he shows none. Just listen to his interview yesterday with Rich Eisen. He says they only spot checked the PSI in the game balls this year. That is a complete contradiction (IE: Lie) from what he said and implemented for game day procedures last year.
    Why is that Rog? Is it that maybe, just maybe the data did not support your point of view? It’s just amazing to me that the general public’s hatred of the Patriots far exceeds their disgust or lack thereof of the way the NFL handles such matters.
    All I read is the Patriots cheated yada yada yada. Brady is guilty, guilty guilty. People cry foul and want the Pats punished for cheating yet they stand and applaud this wannabe NFL lifer as he defames one of the best players to ever play, while he defames one of the best owners in the league.

    Remember the outpouring of affection and appreciation of Kraft when he helped end the labor dispute a few years back? Well that’s all gone.

    Look I’m a Pats fan. I get why other fans hate them. BB can be a jackass and the Pats always seem to be there at the end so I get it. BUT they win on the field not matter what people want to write or say. It’s that simple.

    I hope something like this does not happen to your team. Because I don’t think any team is immune. You just have to win a little more and then the cross hairs will be on you all.

  28. Sorry but NO…If the footballs were properly aired up before game time — meaning they were aired to 12.5psi while the temperature was already at 10 degrees — it would take a drop of 20 degrees before the the psi was even remotely affected.

    Now if the footballs were for some reason aired up inside a 70 degree locker room, then yes the psi would probably be affected.

    Sheesh I just googled “how much air does a tire lose every month” and instantly all the links tell you they lose 2 psi over the course of a month, but Patriot Cheaters want us to believe footballs lost 1 psi over the course of 2 hours? lol. If you don’t believe that, then the next time it is 15 degrees in you area, take a flat football and go air it up outside (not inside) once that football is aired to 12.5 psi in cold weather it wont change in 2 hours…duh

  29. “A full and complete analysis of the footballs in 2015 may have helped the league get to the truth. Which may have prompted the league to restore New England’s draft-pick penalty and rescind its fine. Which could be the main reason why the NFL opted not to learn everything there was to learn about PSI behavior during the 2015 season.”

    That IS the main reason, Florio. It’s a well-known reason that Goodell and the NFL want to knock down the Patriots and Tom Brady down a peg or two. The legion of haters out there merely confirms this. Don’t worry, the Patriots will survive this and will come out of this better than ever. On to 2016!

  30. I love how middle school science can explain how the Patriots footballs lost air, but can’t explain how or why the Colts footballs didn’t… Lol!

  31. This league is run by liars. When they stated they were going to test footballs at halftime, the ref was to record the psi and turn it in with their report by the next day. Why not tell us the numbers. Does anyone really think if all the footballs stayed above 12.5 that we wouldn’t see the data? Tell us the numbers.

  32. Roger, double talk the public all you want.
    People are not stupid. Everyone will not drink the kool-aid.
    You scewed up trying to stick it to Tom Brady.
    Now all you can do is ignore the negativity.
    Be a MAN admit you are wrong and leave it alone.
    Time to go after the HGH king, Peyton Manning.

  33. Basically the league realized there was no cheating whatsoever. Knew that naive and Patriot haters would take take the bait on the information leaked and go with it even though it was random.

    With the millions spent on this, they didn’t want egg on their face and came out with this latest explanation.

    What an absolute joke.

  34. Attention haters. This without out doubt proves that the NFL did not want these numbers released.

    Maybe after they take the Pats two picks they’ll release them, or after the appeal, but not now.

    If your team is accused of doing something how can you not give out these numbers so the story can be put to bed one way or another.

    NFL offices are a joke.

    Go Pats!

  35. Some in the NFL front office have a complete disdain for all things Belichick/Brady (mostly Belichick) so obviously they (NFL) had no agenda here…right?

  36. “Instead, the objective is to catch more cheaters.”

    Which would be wrong because …..?

  37. “So instead of trying to better understand how and why #DeflateGate went off the rails…”

    It went off the rails because Robert Kraft, Tom Brady, and Pats fans are pompous and entitled.
    Hey NE, you’re convicted serial cheaters, the league and fans of teams who were cheated don’t owe you anything. You should be grateful Goodell shredded documents and burned tapes during spygate for the Patriots and count your blessings.

  38. They didn’t blow their chance. They willfully are ignoring how it works, like an ostrich with their head in the ground.

  39. No recourse for the Pats after Kraft accepted the punishment. It will just irritate the league and the rest of the owners when the Pats continue to win despite the best efforts of others to take them down.

  40. A sample of some of the dumbest people on the planet: JChipwood, ReligionIsForIdiots, Factsman66, VancouverSportsBra says:

    This entire thing was about the NFL covering their back sides. They knew the investigation was crap, the unsealed court documents (you know, the ones the NFL requested be sealed, then leaked that Brady wanted them sealed) show you the NFL had even less than we thought, and we all thought they had nothing.

    Its unfortunate, because if the Patriots were doing something, and its certainly possible that they were, the NFL bungled it to the point that anyone with a brain cant take the NFL’s word on this. Unless you are a dope, you cant trust the results of the investigation, there are waaaay too many holes.

    Personally, I think this is about something unrelated to air pressure in footballs.

    It could be Goodell’s hate for Belichick burns so hot that the second he got a chance to nail him, he first had to get medical attention for his erection lasting longer than 4 hours, and then he went head first into finding them guilty.

    Or maybe they have something else on the Patriots, something that they simply do not want anyone to know about. So instead of publicly flogging them for that, they created this air pressure thing thinking that people are dumb enough to fall for it. (And being a loyal PFT reader for 10 years, PLENTY of morons on here are dumb enough to have fallen for it).

    I don’t know what the truth is. I don’t know if the Patriots were doing something. I don’t know if the Patriots are victims of a set up. And that is the tragedy here. There is no truth coming from Commish Integrity. That bothers me

  41. As an attorney, finding the truth is not even a remote consideration for Goodell. As commissioner, it should be his only consideration.

  42. This is nonsense. Yes, the NFL probably has a better understanding of the ideal gas law. But you can’t replicate the exact conditions of the deflate gate game. a .3 or .4 psi tampering is within the error range of any scientific testing.

    The deflator nickname, the illegally sneaking the bills in the rest room and lying about using a nonexistent urinal. Plus all the texts about inflation deflation going to ESPN using a big needle and Brafy destroying his phone is plenty of circumstantial evidence to conclude the Patriots were guilty.

    Seriously anyone independent reasonable person would conclude those balls were tampered with. The ideal gas law and with hunts are being used to deflect the truth.

  43. Que the Patriots fans outrage in the next few seconds…
    When a business finds a prospective problem, it should immediately develop procedures to ameliorate the problem. The NFL did that.
    Not to say I agree with the way the data was accumulated nor with the non-release of the data, by virtue of the fact that “no violations were detected in 2015,” the indications are that there was, at least, some sort of anomaly with the balls in last years AFCCG that was not duplicated in this years air pressure tests.

  44. Proper science here may have come to a conclusion such as replacing or re-airing the balls between quarters and/or halftime to ensure correct PSI throughout the game, thus producing a better on-field product.

    Or, you know, they could football harder.

  45. How convenient for Boodell. I’m sure these “spot checks” were performed only in domed stadiums and/or warm sunny games in the early fall.

    God forbid he have conclusive scientific proof he is, actually, a moron.

  46. “It’s now clear that the NFL has no interest in developing any understanding at all as to how air pressure works.
    Instead, the objective is to catch more cheaters.”

    ——————————————————————-

    I totally disagree with the second half of this statement.

    Goodell was clearly not at all interested in catching anyone with his “spot checks”. Their goal was to do something as minimal as possible while giving the appearance that they were looking for impropriety. Since they never understood the science behind it in the first place and didn’t attempt to use a more scientific process this year, there was really no point to it. How arrogant of Goodell after all of his blustering last year not to, at the very, very least, take the time to design a better system to check the balls vs. a control, and report the findings to the public?

    What we do know is that they spared no expense and effort to defend their fatally flawed “findings” last year in an attempt to smear the Patriots. It was amateurish and slanderous. That’s why that garbage was thrown out of a federal court, where a real judge quite clearly knew better than to fall for it.

  47. ***NEWS FLASH***

    NFL, BSPN (formally known as ESPN), and Roger Goodell disprove Ideal Gas Law.

    In a stunning turn of events, the Ideal Gas Law which has been accepted since 1835 was kicked to the curb by data collected by the NFL all season long.

    The information is to be published this morning proving ……….what?…you say!……oh no…nevermind…..move along, nothing to see here.

  48. Goodell is amoral. He created an event that consumed untold millions of man hours based initially solely on his ignorance, but then continued to expand it based on his arrogance. The fact that the event relates merely to a national past time, the kind of stuff that is aptly described in Ecclesiastes as “Utterly meaningless!”, does not absolve him of guilt. In fact it further confirms how devoid of character the man is, a huge disappointment to his storied father, in that he abuses his position for his personal stature, the extension of what was always a myth anyway, his persona of being “The Enforcer.”
    There is no integrity in what he does. Those with the lowest of integrity understand that to have integrity requires that he right known wrongs regardless of cost. To refuse to right them when they are shown to be wrong and more specifically to show that you are wrong, epitomizes narcissism. But that is his chief character, narcissism. And he proves it again and again. Here alleging that no one else needs review the data, he has all the scientific understanding needed. Thank goodness is all I can say, that whatever political genes his father may have had, died with him. What a nightmare it could have been in this country had Roger Goodell ever successfully run for political office.

  49. Is anyone shocked that the league offices would rather save its own reputation, rather than try to get to the truth? It’s what they always do.

    I’m disappointed, but not surprised.

  50. I hate the pats.
    I hate Tom Brady
    … but I hate arbitrary rulings from the NFL even more. Bully Gate. Bounty Gate. Deflate Gate.

    This furthers my theory that the NFL creates these controversies annually to remain relevant in the offseason.

    Who’s next…?

  51. Soon Goodell will change the rules to ensure that any football thrown must constantly travel in an upward motion and cannot submit to the laws of gravity.

  52. “A full and complete analysis of the footballs in 2015 may have helped the league get to the truth.”

    The truth was never the objective, managing the narrative with carefully crafted headline material has been and continues to be the end game of every statement of ‘fact’ the league makes.

  53. Hey! The NFL is so big it doesn’t have to obey the laws of physics.

    Clearly Roger knew he would look like the fool he is if they ever tested the footballs in real game conditions.

  54. They didn’t really need to learn everything there was to know.

    Just tell us the spot check procedures, the temperatures, and the numbers for the spot checks.

    Can the ex-FIFA guys who are not in jail start running the NFL? It might clean things up.

  55. The stupidity of Goodell’s refusal to admit that he has ever gotten anything wrong is bested only by the stupidity of his decision to rush to judgement in the absence of evidence in the Patriots Ball Deflation saga (and maybe the Saints Bounty scandal).

    What’s going to happen if he admits he completely jacked up the whole thing? Will he get fired? With everything else he’s survived, no, of course not. Will people stop watching the NFL? No. Will people be angry at him? They are already. Will he have to give the draft pick and money back to the Patriots? Sure, but what’s the problem there?

    Instead of acting like a leader interested in honesty, fairness, and *integrity*, he comes off like a delusional petty dictator who needs to be seen as and perfect, and who needs to believe that himself, like some third-rate Kim-Jong Il / Un.

  56. The league doesn’t want the truth. They didn’t waste millions of dollars because they wanted to find the truth.

    If they were concerned with the truth, Framegate* never would have happened.

    Besides, at this point, everyone, except for a smattering of stalwart haters and science deniers, already knows the truth about temperature and football air pressure.

  57. Incredible. The NFL is so corrupt it’s disgusting. This on top of ignoring concussions, PED use, domestic violence, and who knows what else we don’t know about yet. Goodell and his clowns are nothing but liars and are ruining the game of pro football.

  58. Due to global warming there were not a lot of cold weather games this year. Tom Brady is generally aware of global warming so he is suspended for the first 6 games of 2016.

    Signed Roger Goodell

  59. Goodell is a moron and needs to go. Whether you hate the patriots or not, its obvious the nfl screwed up on this and are using the patriots as a scapegoat

  60. So when the patriots are hosting the afc championship next year, and the balls naturally deflate again, are they going to lose another 1st round pick? Because that’s going to happen.

  61. The NFL is investigating tom bradys connection to a man named El Niño and a woman named Mother Nature in connection with air pressure being lost in balls this year

  62. Makes sense, but can science explain the deflator texts & Brady destroying his cell phone the same day Wells asked to see it? My guess is no.

    And just to be clear, the NFL over punished severely & stupidly, but let’s not sit here & pretend Brady didn’t do it either.

  63. Simply fill the footballs with nitrogen as it doesn’t react to temperature swings like air does.

  64. .
    From Tom Brady’s appeal hearing on June 25:

    Jeffrey Kessler, Brady’s attorney:Now, at the time that was true, did you know that the footballs were automatically going to lose pressure if it was cold outside compared to how warm it was inside? Was that ever something you thought about prior to this game?

    Troy Vincent, NFL executive VP of game operations: No, sir.

    Kessler: OK. Now we then get to the halftime. You were present for the halftime testing, correct?

    Vincent: Yes, sir.

    Kessler: And is it fair to say you did not tell anybody to record the temperature in the room at the halftime testing, correct?

    Vincent: No, sir.

    Kessler: And nobody recorded the temperature in the room at the halftime testing, correct?

    Vincent: Not to my knowledge.

    Kessler: Right. You didn’t tell anybody to record the exact time when different balls were tested at the halftime, correct?

    Vincent: No, sir.

    Kessler: And to your knowledge, nobody recorded that?

    Vincent: Not to my knowledge.

    Kessler: You didn’t tell anybody to record whether or not the balls were tested on the Colts before reinflating the Patriots’ balls or after? You didn’t instruct anybody to record that anywhere, correct?

    Vincent: No, sir.

    Kessler: And to your knowledge, it was not recorded anywhere?

    Vincent: Not to my knowledge.

    Kessler: OK. You didn’t instruct anyone to indicate whether the balls were wet or dry at the time they were being tested, correct?

    Vincent: No, but most were wet.

    Kessler: And when this testing was done, no one told the referees, hey, see if it’s a dry ball and note that or if it’s a wet ball, right? No one was asked to record that?

    Vincent: Not to my knowledge.

    Kessler: And the reason for no one doing this is because neither you nor anyone else was thinking about the Ideal Gas Law or how time or temperature or wetness may affect these readings, right?

    Vincent: Correct.

    Kessler: Now, when you say, “They had eleven balls 10 under compliance,” what you meant is that they had 11 eleven balls that were below 12.5 being measured, 12 correct?

    Vincent: Yes.

    Kessler: But at the time, you didn’t know that some of that reduction could happen just because of cold or wetness or other factors, right? That just wasn’t something you were aware of, correct?

    Vincent: I didn’t include science, no, sir.

    Troy Vincent — a man whose foremost job responsibility is to “protect the integrity” of the NFL, a man who was in the center of The Great Air Pressure Measurement of 2015 — admitted that at no point did the NFL or anyone measuring the footballs know one thing about science. Every single part of the NFL’s “investigation” was done under the assumption that the Patriots were guilty. Everything else worked backward from that spot, and if science had to be twisted (or obliterated) in some cases, then so be it. You only get so many chances to catch a team “cheating” red-handed.

    That transcript was released on Aug. 4, but at that point, most everyone in the country had already made up their minds. Very few cared to read that document, which was without a doubt the most damning piece of evidence against the NFL.
    .

  65. I hope the judge asks the league for all the data collected during this season – and then publishes the data for the world to see.

    That would be the end of Goodell…

  66. I read some national writer yesterday state “Goodell probably buried the psi results in his backyard along with Ray Rice’s videotape and Ray Lewis’ white suit”.

    Goodell makes no bones about it – he’s a fraud and he doesn’t care if you know it.

  67. It was always about making 31 owners happy

    As of last May it was 32.

    🙁

  68. It’s almost all over Patriot Hater. 🙂

    Time for the 2nd Circuit to end this. Not just for the Patriots but for the good of the NFL. Absolute power cannot (and will not) be allowed to stand.

  69. The Pats should have tested their own balls during the season and released the results…or maybe they did and they didn’t want to share.

    In either case, who knows and who cares…

  70. Seriously anyone independent reasonable person would conclude those balls were tampered with. The ideal gas law and with hunts are being used to

    You mean someone “independent ”
    Like the MIT professor?
    Or someone “independent” like the professor from Columbia university?
    You mean someone independent like EVERY 7th grade science teacher in the world?

    And just for the record, the ideal gas law as been expected as FACT since 1834

    dbarnes67 says:
    Feb 3, 2016 7:20 AM
    Its really the Patriot fans who don’t understand the Ideal Gas Law. I doesn’t work on objects that expand or contract under pressure. If the size a shape of footballs remained constant the law would have some meaning. Your defense is seriously flawed, especially when cheating Tom is accused of not cooperating with an investigation

    Pssssd… That will just be your little secret.

    Oh and according to Ted Wells and his “independent report”
    Brady cooperated 100%

  71. So many posters ignorant of the facts.
    Here are the facts:
    # 1. Tom ” cooperated fully”, a direct quote from Wells who also said ” keep the phone”. Per the CBA Tom was not required to hand his phone over. All he did was upgrade to an iPhone 6!Every Pats employee not in the union did hand them over, including Bill.
    #2. Both equipment employees have been reinstated.
    #3. There was a single text in May of 2014 from the 2 equipment employees to each other. ONE. Months before the Jan 2015 Game.
    #4. 3/4 Colts footballs were also under 12.5 PSI. The officials couldn’t check them all, ran out of time.
    Stop posting Lies.

  72. I will not sit and “pretend ” Brady didn’t do it. I will stand and say unapologetically that the NFL did things much worse that what Brady has been accused of doing. That the NFL never in any way was able to show that Brady did anything against any rule. That people who continue to claim Brady destroyed his cell phone to hide evidence are refusing to look at facts. The truth is in the article; Ted Wells told Brady they did not need his cell phone. Roger Goodell is a damn liar, a cheater, and though I understand people not liking Brady and the Patriots, to somehow rationalize that he and or the Patriots are the ones who are wrong in this entire ridiculous affair, is just crazy.

  73. This is your typical NFL HQ procedure. When refs blatantly blow an important call in a game, Dean Blandino runs out the following week to give a lame excuse to say that the refs were great, and that even though the call was wrong, his department is awesome.

    Now, lets take a look at how the league handled the mysterious deflated football controversy last offseason.

    -The league strips the Patriots of a first round pick, a player that would most likely be a starting player on their team next season.

    -The league fines the Patriots $1 million dollars.

    -They attempted to suspend one of the star players of the league for a quarter of the season.

    -Spent millions of dollars on having a “thorough” investigation done to prove that the Patriots, not mother nature, deflated footballs during the AFC Championship Game.

    -Went on a months long smear campaign, leaking out false stories to the media, to knock down the reputation of a star player, to make their case look strong.

    When scientists and legal experts shot holes through their investigation, and a court of law ruled that there was absolutely no evidence proving that any Patriots player or employee deflated footballs, the league announces that they will institute a strict policy to enforce the “integrity” of making sure that ALL footballs remain within legal PSI during games.

    Lets look at what they did here.

    -Spot checks during games.

    Anyone that believes that more data wasn’t collected and that data showed that a football will lose air pressure during a drastic drop in temperature, the same way a car tire will lose air pressure overnight when the temps drop during the winter, is being naive. You can best believe that if the league found actual data that supported their investigation from last year, they would have called the press conference to end all press conferences to tout their findings. But they didn’t. And, if the Pats had made it back to the Super Bowl this year, you can believe that Roger would have announced these findings in a much more incriminating tone. The Pats were robbed of a starting player from the draft, and $1 million by the league. I sincerely hope they take the NFL to court to recover this.

  74. it’s ironic that the *Patriots lost more games this year, had some fumbles and dropped passes too as well as being dominated in the AFCC while the league kept their eye on them throughout the year.and regularly checked air pressure.It’s ironic as well that the deflator never got his “old”job back ..must be a conspiracy . look people,they cheated it’s clear as day to any non biased *Patriot homer.but look what happens when the league keeps a better eye on them they just get beat.plain and simple…see how good they are next year when Gronk starts picking up the offensive p i calls for pushing off on every play..

  75. One of the first applications for the software Bill Gates and Paul Allen (owner of the Seahawks) developed into Microsoft, was a system called Traf-O-Data that interpreted data collected by those black pneumatic tubes that count cars. The principals involved to interpreting football pressure are similar, fill a bladder with air, lay it on the ground outside, measure the change in pressure and interpret what caused the change in pressure ie, a car, a two axle truck, a five axel truck, the product on the truck, the weather etc. That info is known for just about every mile of road in the US. And Paul Allen and Bill Gates wrote the software to interpret all that data back in the early 1970s. And that was before Allen was worth 50¢ let alone the billions he is worth today. So you can be certain that the impact of weather on footballs on every square mile of United States is already known. Paul Allen probably had the research completed before the rest of the owners even read the email about supposed football tampering.
    That being said, it just shows what a farse the NFL really is. On one hand they cry about the integrity of the Shield. And on the other, they ignore the fact that there is tremendous variation in football pressure outside what the rules allow in a large number of games annually. That is a fact. I don’t know whether it matters. But Goodell sure as hell said it mattered and now is doing nothing about it. And neither is anyone else. So much for the integrity of the Shield.

  76. rogerdw66 says:=

    I guess I trust the NFL more than I do Brady/Bellichec and this apologist for them.

    ———

    Because? Has the NFL given you any reason to think they are competent or trustworthy?

    B and B have science (proven on fact)

    NFL has stated prior to the season that they will be testing the balls thoroughly over the season and keeping records. They outright stated that they would be transparent in the investigation and present the results in a summary of numbers.

    So where is the transparency? Why hide the numbers, unless they don’t indicate what the NFL wants it to indicate. If they vindicate the Patriots, step up and admit mistakes were made and return the picks. Keep the cash to cover some of your expenses.

    Don’t punish a team, any team, for unfounded accusations that have been proven wrong.

    While you’re at it… you owe the Cowboys and Redskins an apology for overspending when there was no cap.

  77. torebear says:
    Feb 3, 2016 6:39 AM

    If only Brady hadn’t destroyed his phone the Pats might have been let off.
    —————–

    The Patriots were getting railroaded no matter what.

    Tom Brady’s cell phone is just a red herring.

  78. This is Spygate all over again. Instead of releasing the tapes, he claims to destroy them and damns the Patriots to eternal speculation. Release the pressure data, Rog! Show your work!

  79. savethebs says:
    Feb 3, 2016 9:17 AM

    Makes sense, but can science explain the deflator texts & Brady destroying his cell phone the same day Wells asked to see it? My guess is no.
    —————————-

    Can science explain why everyone always refers to the “deflator texts” as if there actually were any? The answer is no.

  80. gaffya says:
    Feb 3, 2016 10:08 AM

    it’s ironic that the *Patriots lost more games this year, had some fumbles and dropped passes too as well as being dominated in the AFCC while the league kept their eye on them throughout the year.and regularly checked air pressure.It’s ironic as well that the deflator never got his “old”job back ..must be a conspiracy . look people,they cheated it’s clear as day to any non biased *Patriot homer.but look what happens when the league keeps a better eye on them they just get beat.plain and simple…see how good they are next year when Gronk starts picking up the offensive p i calls for pushing off on every play..
    _________________________________

    Uh, the Patriots had the least amount of fumbles again this year. They averaged .8 fumbles per game (including special teams, which uses the K ball), which ranked them third overall this past season with the fewest fumbles, and they had the fewest fumbles per the number of offensive plays of any team.

    Their record last year was 12-4 before the playoffs. Their record this year? 12-4.

    So I have no idea where you’re getting the idea that they fumbled more and they had a worse record this year. They didn’t. The team performed pretty much identically to last year, except for the AFCCG, but that had more to do with facing a much better defense with Denver than what Indy had last year.

  81. Look – let’s stop kidding ourselves

    Goodell and the owners know now that the cold deflates footballs even if they didn’t before

    They know Brady did nothing and yet they continue efforts to frame Brady

    Few if any reporters have the guts to call
    Goodell on this and stop this coy little dance that the NFL doesn’t understand the Laws of Physics

    Science proves Goodell and the owners are corrupt – someone needs to call them on it “for the integrity of the game”

  82. igornathanhiggers says:
    Feb 3, 2016 7:29 AM

    Sheesh I just googled “how much air does a tire lose every month” and instantly all the links tell you they lose 2 psi over the course of a month, but Patriot Cheaters want us to believe footballs lost 1 psi over the course of 2 hours?

    ————————————————————-

    You googled the wrong thing.
    There is a difference in air loss through natural leakage (no tire valve is perfect) and pressure loss because of temperature drop.

    Google “how much does tire pressure drop with temperature” and look at the very first result.

  83. luckyforus says:
    Feb 3, 2016 8:27 AM

    The deflator nickname, the illegally sneaking the bills in the rest room and lying about using a nonexistent urinal. Plus all the texts about inflation deflation going to ESPN using a big needle and Brafy destroying his phone is plenty of circumstantial evidence to conclude the Patriots were guilty.

    ————————————————-
    deflator nickname – Wrong. McNally referred to himself *once* in May 2014 as the deflator. Nowhere else has this term ever come up.
    nonexistant urinal – The restroom had a toilet, not a urinal. That’s your big gotcha?
    destroying his phone – NFL’s wordsmithing for maximum misleading of the public. the truth is that Brady replaced a broken phone which the NFL was never going to get anyway- so it doesn’t matter what happened to it. And Wells told him he didn’t want the phone.

  84. abninf says:
    Feb 3, 2016 6:50 AM
    The Deflator agrees. Why didn’t The Deflator get his job back, by the way?

    The “Deflator” did get his job back. He’s been working at Gillette since the fall.

  85. dbarnes67 says:
    Feb 3, 2016 7:20 AM
    Its really the Patriot fans who don’t understand the Ideal Gas Law. I doesn’t work on objects that expand or contract under pressure. If the size a shape of footballs remained constant the law would have some meaning. Your defense is seriously flawed, especially when cheating Tom is accused of not cooperating with an investigation.

    lol. It’s you doesn’t understand. As temperature increases the energy in they system increases which increases the pressure. That’s HS level physics.

    And while the football has SOME give to it, it’s insignificant and the results of the computation are reasonably accurate in approximating the expected pressure.

  86. igornathanhiggers says:
    Feb 3, 2016 7:44 AM
    I love how middle school science can explain how the Patriots footballs lost air, but can’t explain how or why the Colts footballs didn’t… Lol!

    They did. It’s in the Wells report in the same footnote they used to hang the Patriots. That the Colts weren’t punished for 3 of their 4 balls being under pressure only serves to illustrate that wasn’t about ‘air pressure’ or cheating. It was about NFL internal politics and other things.

  87. Goodell should suspend himself and all the other idiots who work for him at NFL HQs who didn’t know anything about the ideal gas law. He could act pursuant to his Article 46 authority for conduct that affects the integrity of the game.

    Anyone who has followed the Deflategate saga with any semblance of objectivity understands that Goodell has out & out lied several times (the transcripts of the appeal hearing, which Goodell was not planning to release, but were disclosed when Judge Bermand ordered that all filings be made public, prove Goodell’s lies). And that the NFL has acted with malice and fraudulent intent.

    Goodell’s attempt to suspend Brady is a fraudulent attempt to affect the competitive advantage of the league.

    NFL has no integrity.

  88. Appeals Judge: The NFL will produce the data it recorded in 2015 on air pressures.

    Goodell: I destroyed it.

    Judge: NFL v. Brady Case: dismissed

  89. Hey willycents,

    So you believe Goodell when he says there were no violations? Let’s say I agree; do you believe there was never any difference in the air pressure of any balls that were “randomly” checked? Why would the NFL develop plans for the game in Minnesota, if there was no knowledge that in those conditions there would be even greater than .5psi deflation in game balls? Personally I think Robert Kraft should sue Roger Goodell and the NFL for lying, and undermining the Patriots ability to compete on a level playing field. Just because the Patriots have been able to completely go against the NFL plan for parity and dominate the division, conference and league.

    While I doubt that the Patriots could successfully sue it would allow them to subpoena the game officials reports from the games where ball checks were completed. Now if the NFL destroys game reports from officials which I assume are delivered electronically then an electronics forensic specialist should be able to find them. Just get the freaking truth out there instead of Goodell’s lies.

  90. Some of the haters are so thoughtless

    The NFL never proved Brady or Pats did anything. They made an accusation, had no evidence and punished them anyways even though a perfectly reasonable and far more likely alternative explanation exists

    Now in 2015 we have the opportunity to give us an idea regarding the validity of the alternative explanation. If this is so important COLLECT AND RELEASE THE DATA.

    As a pats fan if the data does not support the Patriots I want to know about it. The blind thoughtless haters, most of whom have not done their homework on this, should want to know the truth.

    Florio NAILED it. if the goal here is truth collect and release the data. What Roger Goodell did today strongly suggest what many of us have believed for a long time: That the NFL HAD AN AGENDA!

  91. There is no need for an elaborate season long testing program. The laws of physics apply regardless of whether there is a game going on in the vicinity.
    Get a 5th grade class, give them some footballs a thermometer and a gauge. There you go. This is not rocket science. No formulas necessary, although they are nice, and fun.
    This is so rudimentary, that it is ridiculous to be even discussing it. It is as if Goodell is claiming gravity doesn’t exist.

  92. This is only the latest act on the part of the League to perpetrate a conspiracy to falsely accuse the Patriots , to essentially perpetrate an act of grand larceny and to conspire to coverup their crime. If this hadn’t been done under the cloak of corporate license and instead were done in a venue subject to government oversight, Roger Goodell would be sharing a jail cell with Bernie Madoff.

  93. Once again Mr. Florio is the lone voice of reason in this sordid mess.

    A mess created not to protect the integrity of the game, but to protect the interests of a group of owners who would love nothing more than to see the Patriots taken down. Can’t beat them on the football field, no problem – we’ll find another way.

    The sad reality is that nothing we as fans say or do will change that.

  94. I think the NE fans that started yourteamcheatstoo.com site should take this up on their own and check 24 balls at every game and then release results.
    On a side note I noticed yourequipmentmanagergoesbytheDefaltortoo.com and yourQBdestroyshiscellphonetoo.com are already taken

  95. Goodell couldn’t do extensive psi testing this year because he would have to share the information with the NFLPA or they could sue for it.

    Bottom line, Goodell is covering for Mike Kensil and Troy Vincent.

  96. “fill the balls with nitrogen”

    FYI: the effect of air temperature on a nitrogen-filled football is not any different than the effect of air temperature on a air-filled football.

    Air is 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, 1% argon. All of these gases behave as ideal gases at the pressures and temperatures being considered.

    This science was worked all out 30 years before George Washington was born, by the way. Amonton’s law of pressure-temperature relationship is from 1702. This became part of the later ideal gas law, but it’s simply the absolute pressure-absolute temperature linear relationship that is relevant here.

  97. This proves my theory.

    Spygate is a lie/misrepresentation, intentionally, so Goodell can curb NE’s success moving forward.

    Same with Deflatgate. The Pats have never cheated.

    A small rules infraction based off of Belichick mocking Mangini is worthy of a small fine for some minor unprofessionalism, but it’s not cheating. Never was.

    It’s the big secret the media hides.

    It’s also why the media has been told to not do any investigating into why Manning’s wife would use undetectable HGH and not just receive a prescription from her primary care doctor.

    Goodell would rather put a gag order on the media and talking heads, because he so badly wants ANYONE but NE to win the Super BOwl,, so he can carry on his quest to have Jax in London before he is up for re-election in 2020.

    That’s what this is all about, folks. Money. Power. Ego. Control. Always is.

    It’s why Goodell never gives a straight answer. It’s why he appears to be answering the question, but he really never does.

    It’s very likely NE will be going to its 6th straight Conf Title game next year.

    Read that again if you need to. What NE is doing is historically legendary because there is a salary cap. This why other owners and GMs are jealous.

    The whole reason the cap was created, outside of giving some empowerment to the players to make more money as free agents, was to make sure there would be no dynasties like the Patriots.

    How can Goodell keep going to London to tell investors who HAVE TO BE skittish with a crap team like the Jaguars getting off the ground enough to keep financial momentum, that there is parity and JAx will succeed in London, if the Pats, in the AFC are a lock for a #1 or #2 seed every year and always knocking on the SB door?

    Go look at Denver’s FA list, for example. Go look at NE’s.

    Denver’s window slams shut on Sunday night after what a drunken ELway did to that franchise, while Belichick has NE loaded for bear for years to come.

    The big secret to all of this was taking advantage of the 2011 Rookie Cap that is part of the new CBA.

    If you drafted well, developed well, you keep costs down, so to speak, which in turn gives a very healthy cap position.

    Irresponsible teams that blew this off, even teams that won Super Bowls recently like NYGs or Baltimore, are in these major cap hells and they may not get out of it any time soon.

    The Jets, Cowboys, etc, teams like that who are morons in this area, are just wasting their time.

    I bet a new rule will be made to try to stop Belichick from being such a brilliant teambuilder in the cap era, where Goodell will then frame a narrative to pretend the Pats are cheating, which is why they’re so successful over a sustained period.

    Arrest Goodell now.

  98. There’s a good case for collusion here. 31 owners gang up on one vis their puppet commissioner, kangaroo court, and paid ‘expert’ witnesses.

  99. savethebs says:
    Feb 3, 2016 9:17 AM

    Makes sense, but can science explain the deflator texts & Brady destroying his cell phone the same day Wells asked to see it? My guess is no.

    And just to be clear, the NFL over punished severely & stupidly, but let’s not sit here & pretend Brady didn’t do it either.
    _____________________________
    This was all explained to you months ago.

    There was a SINGLE text made months earlier with the word “deflator.” 1 text out of thousands! And it wasn’t even from Brady’s phone.

    Brady destroyed his phone after he was specifically told by Wells that the phone was no longer needed.

  100. worried about a football being 1/2 – 1 psi low but yet you let players wear these “tactified” gloves to make un-human like catches and for QB’s to get a super grip on the ball …. allowing players to wear these gloves gives them a more definite advantage than a stupid ball being slightly low in air pressure …. look at some of these catches that are not even possible without the tactified gloves …. and the same goes for the QB’s using them to assist with getting a grip to make throws

  101. torebear says:
    Feb 3, 2016 6:39 AM
    If only Brady hadn’t destroyed his phone the Pats might have been let off.

    I guess the lesson should be, when the NFL asks for your phone and you are an employee within the league, give it to them.

    Perhaps the League will do a study next year on ball pressure.

    —————–

    Only problem with that is that no company can ask for your personal belongings and then suspend you for not complying. They actually need a warrant (subpoena) to search your private property. Subpoena power that the NFL lacks and the same reason why they could not suspend Favre or Gostowski and Taglibu revoked the suspensions from Bountygate.

  102. Goodell says there was no tampering with the footballs this year.

    Prove it Roger… Release the numbers..

    You won’t because once you started lying you have to keep lying…

  103. Goodell explicitly said “no violations were found this year”. Thanks for the exoneration for the 2015 Pats-Colts AFC title game Roger, but didn’t you just blow a boatload of the league’s money and waste everyone’s time?

    I think this is why your salary went down from $44mil to $35mil this year.

  104. igornathanhiggers says:
    Feb 3, 2016 7:29 AM
    Sorry but NO…If the footballs were properly aired up before game time — meaning they were aired to 12.5psi while the temperature was already at 10 degrees — it would take a drop of 20 degrees before the the psi was even remotely affected.

    Now if the footballs were for some reason aired up inside a 70 degree locker room, then yes the psi would probably be affected.
    —————-

    Problem with your logic is that the balls were actually inflated inside the locker room, not outside. So yes, a change in PSI will occur due to the change in temperature.

    The least you could do is know the procedure that took place at the AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME, it’s been more than discussed this past year.

  105. torebear says:
    Feb 3, 2016 6:39 AM

    If only Brady hadn’t destroyed his phone the Pats might have been let off.

    So much wrong there. Brady didn’t destroy his phone until after Ted Wells said it wasn’t needed.

    Given that there was no actual evidence against the Pats, I think one would have to be incredibly naive to think that still more cooperation would have helped the Patriots. If Brady had handed over his phone, the NFL would have mined his text messages for personal information which they would have then leaked to the media to embarrass him. It’s what they did to Richie Incognito and to the two equipment guys who handed over their phones.

    I guess the lesson should be, when the NFL asks for your phone and you are an employee within the league, give it to them.

    Well, that’s the authoritarian message. In a nation where people have privacy rights, the lesson really should be “if you want the phone, get a court order”.


    Perhaps the League will do a study next year on ball pressure.

    Where have you been the past six months? The NFL already “did a study”. That was the point of this data collection. They are now pretending it was never about anything more than “spot checks”. That is just another lie from Roger Goodell’s office.

    Most people have realized by now that Goodell puts out lies as often as he thinks he can get away with it. For professional reasons, Florio only calls out the league when things are provably lies. But really, there is no consistency between what the NFL said last August and what they said yesterday.

  106. Makes sense, but can science explain the deflator texts & Brady destroying his cell phone the same day Wells asked to see it? My guess is no.

    And just to be clear, the NFL over punished severely & stupidly, but let’s not sit here & pretend Brady didn’t do it either.

    In what world is a phone text from May considered evidence about what happened eight months later?
    The text doesn’t mention any of the following:
    a) Tom Brady
    b) footballs
    c) air pressure
    d) rules violations

    And yet the NFL would have you believe that it is inculpatory on all four counts.

    If I send a text message to a friend in May talking about how I like to drive fast, and then I go through a speed trap eight months later, and the speed gun says I was driving within the speed limit, how is the text message even relevant?

    There is literally no evidence of tampering last January? How do I know this? I read the transcript from the trial when Judge Berman asked if there was any evidence and the NFL’s representative said “no”.

    The NFL has had many opportunities to scale back the accusation to merely punish Brady for destroying the phone. But they are wedded to the accusation of ball tampering. And this is an accusation that has been definitively disproven. So they need to keep it alive through a campaign of distortion and chicanery.

  107. There’s no direct evidence, but there’s plenty of circumstantial evidence.

    What if in addition to the the “I like to drive fast” text. you also were caught taking a speed gun with the evidence in a restroom, lied, and also texts about going to espn, altering the speed gun, etc.

  108. torebear says:
    Feb 3, 2016 6:39 AM
    If only Brady hadn’t destroyed his phone the Pats might have been let off.

    I guess the lesson should be, when the NFL asks for your phone and you are an employee within the league, give it to them.
    ———————————-
    You would have a point if it was a team-issued phone, but it wasn’t. Would you give up your personal phone if your employer demanded it for an internal investigation?

  109. Whats to understand? The ideal gas law is A REAL THING! The nfl just wont acknowledge it because they will look like the fools they are and have to admit the patriots did nothing wrong

  110. it’s ironic that the *Patriots lost more games this year, had some fumbles and dropped passes too as well as being dominated in the AFCC while the league kept their eye on them throughout the year.and regularly checked air pressure.It’s ironic as well that the deflator never got his “old”job back
    ———————-

    Lost more games as compared to when?

    They had some fumbles and dropped passes? Really?

    Dominated, as in losing by 2 points in the final seconds of the game?

    I don’t think you understand the meaning of the word ironic.

  111. “luckyforus says:
    Feb 3, 2016 12:23 PM
    There’s no direct evidence, but there’s plenty of circumstantial evidence.

    What if in addition to the the “I like to drive fast” text. you also were caught taking a speed gun with the evidence in a restroom, lied, and also texts about going to espn, altering the speed gun, etc.”

    I would assume that you had to take a leak.

    Tell me when Brady “lied”. The texts about altering the PSI were about the balls being OVER inflated by the league and Brady wanted to make sure that his guys reminded the officials what the rules were. That’s a long way from “altering the speed gun.”

  112. Heck the NFL and Goodell has repeatedly lied throughout this whole thing. That is undeniable and a matter of public record. He did it again yesterday when he said they don’t have records of the PSI levels of games this year.

    The only side that has not lied is Brady.

  113. It’s not surprising. The article hits the nail on the head! If the NFL released the numbers they gathered throughout their “random” PSI gatherings, Brady & New England would be exonerated, they would have to give them back their draft pick and their $1 million dollars, and then the most difficult of all…..Goodell would have to try to find a way not to look anymore pathetic than he already is! The guy is a buffoon !!

  114. Goodel’s latest move to undermine the NFLPA and to establish his office/power equivalent to a lawless dictator should make every NFL Fan disgusted and motivated to sue the NFL.

    That’s right = SUE the NFL for SLANDER, MISREPRESENTATION, FRAUD & THEFT by DECEPTION

    I am looking for Patriot Fans along with ALL NFL Fans to form a group and hire the correct Legal Firm to represent our case against Goodel & the NFL for their own Rule Violations, Ethics Violations and including the more serious violations previously mentioned.

  115. Why would the league — after spending more than $10 million to investigate, suspend, defend and then appeal their Brady bag-job — voluntarily show everyone hard evidence that proves it didn’t know what it didn’t know when it started this mess?

    ……………………………………………………

    Classic

  116. I am mostly surprised by how many other owners and team fan bases are ok with this? Hate the Pats, Brady all you want, think they did it and it had an impact but THIS could happen to you. Something as trivial as seconds off air out of football or some other dumb thing and the league will withhold information to make themselves look good.

    Commish talks about integrity, isn’t there integrity in proving if you are wrong or right?

    Or

    If PSI is so important, isn’t there integrity in knowing if cold weather games have been being played with the correct PSI for the last 100 years? If you want balls at 12.5-13.5 then ensure that balls are always at 12.5 and 13.5 to start a game and at the half.

  117. Wow I don’t know who is more pathetic, Goodell or the mindless Patriot haters. Look at some of the comments above from people who either haven’t been paying attention but still comment, have no idea what they are talking about, or just blatantly make things up to fit their agenda. Sounds like Goodell.

    Why would Brady send a text to equipment manager complaining about ball pressure if he didn’t expect anything in return?

    WHAT?!?!

    So you’ve never complained about something because it bothered you? If i complain to my friend for not getting as much back in my taxes as I thought, does that mean I expect him to go learn accounting and fight the IRS for me? That’s ridiculous even for you chippy

  118. All that information was saved in permanent records the refs kept and sent into the central offices. There was no “blowing this,” obviously the records show what any sixth grade science teacher could have already told you, balls deflate or inflate with a change of temperature to the air inside them. So when that became more than obvious even to this suited monkeys, they just put them to the shredder and threw them away.

  119. For all the haters:

    This unequivocally, undeniably cements the notion that there was absolutely no tampering. Do you really think if the data supported them they wouldn’t have it on the front page of the NY Times? Really?

    And its utterly preposterous to say there were no violations. Then why did they switch all of the balls at half in the seahawks vikings game? To give them to charity?

    Come on, people. Hate the pats all you want but have at least some level of critical thinking and objectivity.

  120. Yeah. Its almost as bad as the league office destroying those New England Patriot videotapes before allowing the public to view exactly what was on them.

  121. jchipwood says:
    Feb 3, 2016 3:44 PM

    Why would Brady send a text to equipment manager complaining about ball pressure if he didn’t expect anything in return?
    ————————

    I don’t believe that any such text exists, but even if it does, who else is Brady going to communicate with to make sure the footballs are inflated to the 12.5psi that he liked?

    People seem to not understand, even after all of this time, that the majority of the text messages dealt with in the Pash Report occurred months before the AFCCG, and make absolutely zero reference to setting the inflation level of footballs below 12.5psi.

  122. igornathanhiggers, check your facts, in last years AFCCG the balls were checked inside, in a heated room, not outside as you have invented.

  123. The situation at hand was the differential of the team balls. They had already covered pressure drop.

  124. Roger should be fired.
    Roger convientently won’t ever release these results- too much of a chance it would help Brady’s case in March 3rd appeal.
    He basically destroyed evidence so he can get desired result.
    What a schmuck and a liar here in 2016.
    NFL owners should all get this looked into before their team is next on some allegation that doesn’t have much teeth goes against them.
    While we’re at it if they are going to look into Peyton Mannings 2011 HGH shipment to his wife why don’t they open up the biggest scandal.
    The one where Roger in 2007 said he destroyed “about six tapes ” when really there were 40 or more. And the fact that he destroyed these in Foxboro just 4 days after doling out his punishment made zero sence at all.
    What a schmuck and a liar he was in 2007.

  125. Roger can no longer feign ignorance about the Laws of Physics

    Add “During halftime…PSI results will be measured and recorded” to the long list of lies issued by puppet Goodell

    Now even the Haters have to admit that Goodell is corrupt

    After all – he purposefully has now destroyed evidence after promising to be open and transparent

    By Independent Unbiased Arbitrator Goodell’s criteria, that’s proof of Roger’s own guilt in framing Brady

  126. Sorry haters, you’re losing, and you’re losing bad. Even most of the national media is coming out with articles basically saying, ‘Whoa, wait a minute here’, and Florio was way ahead of the curve. The fact Goodell even tried to pass this off like this is astonishing. It’s clear he already thought most of the public is stupid, but was hoping the even dumber hater nation would jump on the S.S. BS once again. Looks like only the hard core ones are left. But, Goodell brokered multi billion dollar LA deals, I’m sure the owners are thrilled with him.

  127. igornathanhiggers says:
    Feb 3, 2016 7:29 AM
    Sorry but NO…If the footballs were properly aired up before game time — meaning they were aired to 12.5psi while the temperature was already at 10 degrees — it would take a drop of 20 degrees before the the psi was even remotely affected.

    Now if the footballs were for some reason aired up inside a 70 degree locker room, then yes the psi would probably be affected.

    Sheesh I just googled “how much air does a tire lose every month” and instantly all the links tell you they lose 2 psi over the course of a month, but Patriot Cheaters want us to believe footballs lost 1 psi over the course of 2 hours? lol. If you don’t believe that, then the next time it is 15 degrees in you area, take a flat football and go air it up outside (not inside) once that football is aired to 12.5 psi in cold weather it wont change in 2 hours…duh

    ——–

    You think they blew up the footballs outside in the rain before the AFCCG then took inside the locker room to be tested?

    They were aired up in a 70 degree locker room, so thanks for confirming that Pats innocence in the matter…

    “Patriot Cheaters want us to believe footballs lost 1 psi over the course of 2 hours?”

    Why were 3 of the 4 Colts balls tested under 12.5?

    Where have you been for 12 months?

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