Elway: We want players who want to be here

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Quarterback Brock Osweiler is now a member of the Houston Texans, leaving the Broncos with Trevor Siemian as the only quarterback on their depth chart a month after they won the Super Bowl.

It’s an unusual situation — the 2000 Ravens are the only other Super Bowl champ to enter the next season without either of their top two quarterbacks — but it may not have been one that appears to have caught the Broncos by too much surprise. Mike Klis of KUSA reports that the Broncos began thinking that Osweiler didn’t want to be part of the team when he stopped returning calls from teammates and coaches in the last couple of weeks.

General Manager John Elway left little doubt about the team’s feelings about Osweiler’s decision in comments to the Broncos website.

“We’ve stayed true to our philosophy of building a team with players who want to be Denver Broncos and want to be here. That’s been a successful approach for us,” Elway said. “While we did offer a very competitive and fair long-term contract to Brock, we ultimately had to remain disciplined while continuing to assemble a roster that can compete for championships.”

Elway said that the team will turn their attention to other options at quarterback and that they’re confident “we’ll find the right player and person for our team.” As Andrew Mason of the Broncos website points out in another shot at Osweiler (as well as Peyton Manning), that might not be hard as the Broncos did just win the Super Bowl with “sub-optimal, near-replacement-level quarterbacking.”

166 responses to “Elway: We want players who want to be here

  1. Shut up Elway.

    You acted like you had the kid in your backpocket and then you found out that he didn’t take to kindly to being benched for a quarterback who (at this stage of his career) clearly wasn’t better then him.

    Now you scramble for a QB like the bottom feeder teams do. Oh…say goodbye to being favored to win the AFC west in 2016. Chiefs and Raiders send their regards.

  2. Good call by Elway. The $18m they didn’t waste on an unproven QB will be much better spent on the offensive line to protect the next QB and establish a better running game.

  3. In before all the “arm chair” experts gibber jabber their expertise.

    On a side Note – This was surprising to say the least. I really felt Brock could of turned into a franchise QB. I wonder what Broncos have in store for their next starting QB. Should be interesting to see in the near future.

  4. I guess not many current players want to be there. Without the Best QB of the past twenty years and Kubiak as coach the Broncos will fail to make the playoffs for the foreseeable future.

  5. Keep losing young players and fans will start pointing the finger at philosopher instead.

    CJ Anderson might be next to hit the road.

  6. Excellent decision John!

    Maybe the Pats fans can correct me but doesn’t Osweiller make more than Brady?

    Houston can have him him at that price.

  7. I get it, Johnny’s the smartest guy in the room, I’m sure you’ve thought you always were…maybe you can call the Bears for Cutty, wouldn’t that be funny!

  8. Brock needs to grow up.

    If he had stayed in that chargers game then denver would have lost. If so they fall to a six seed and don’t even get out of the first round on the road.

  9. Karna maybe, for Elway backing out of playing for the Colts?

    It’s true about the quarterback play though, My ninety year old neighbor could have been the Broncos QB and they still would have won.

  10. Love the discipline by Elway and Co here. PS, hey Houston, the Broncos had a chance to get to know him for four years and audition him for seven games… And still didn’t pay him more than they were willing. Odds are they know something you don’t.

  11. Throw us a conditional pick for Nassib and he’s yours. Rocket armed, promising, cheap, Manning-trained.

  12. realdealsteel

    C’mon. lol Paying Osweiler 72 million bucks, for 7 games played is insane. 3 years and 45 million was a gift, with that defense and those receivers.

  13. At some price, everyone will want to be there. You just have to meet it.

  14. Had Manning not come in and saved that last game they would have lost home field advantage. Brock has potential but 18 million for an unproven qb could lead to a new hc and gm in 2 years for the Texans.

  15. Wow…talk about sour grapes.

    Broncos now fade away…fast. Let’s see how good their D is when they are on the field all day.

  16. Hate the Broncos. Hate Elway.

    Great move by Elway. This may have set them back a short bit, but it’s a hell of a lot better than cash strapping your team to retain a qb that may or may not turn out to be even serviceable.

  17. The good news is they won the SB with next to nothing from the QB position and in an odd coincidence that’s pretty much what is currently available on the QB market. The bad news is they won’t be defending that championship by exactly returning with that same team

  18. I honestly think that Kaepernick is a better fit for the Broncos that RG3. If the Broncos improve their OL and add Kap, they will still be contending. Kap had a horrible season last year, but is not all on him. The 49ers didn’t have decent WRs, TE, or RB, so if I were Elway, I would take a bet on Kap.

  19. Translation; If they won’t take less than the market price for their services they must not want to be here.

    Good luck trying to get back to the SB with no QB.

  20. You develop a guy behind Manning for 4 years, and then you let him walk over 3 million a year;

    Don’t point the finger at the guy who you made feel unwanted, go look in the mirror John.

    You placed a 2nd round tender on a Linebacker, but leave the guy who plays he most important position on the field wide open to be poached.

    That’s a very poor decision. One that could set them back for years.

  21. The commenter above said it all. Osweiler should not have kept the job when Peyton was healthy. But he did – so it because Osweiler’s job. Then Kubes benched the better QB (at least at this point in time) in week 17 because a RB fumbled.

    And you blame him for not wanting to come back?

    Get real dude.

  22. Sorry John, the fact that you’re making that kind of a statement shows you’re pissed. Who knows what Oz will do but let’s just say you’re the only team who lost a player saying… “I promise we’ll be ok without him”.

  23. That nasty D is getting picked clean of key young talent by teams that are willing to pony up the cash. You are going to have to spend crazy money to retain Miller for more than a year and if you tag him with no new deal he will also want out AND you have no competent QB.
    Looks pretty clear to me like it is more than just Osweiler that no longer wants to be in Denver.
    Sorry John, no such thing as a hometown discount or team loyalty when you would kick a guy to the curb in a heartbeat if it benefited the team. Money talks BS walks.

  24. “Broncos now fade away…fast. Let’s see how good their D is
    when they are on the field all day.”

    Did you see any Broncos games this season? That has already happened dude.

  25. Mike Glennon? Zach Mettenberger? Is Brian Griese still available? Wow, what a mess!

  26. VERY RELIEVED that the Bronco’s were not forced to invest the time on Brock.

    Decent guy… but true ‘back up’… not starter skills. RIDICULOUS salary… but good for Brock. He got paid.

    Brock = Jake Plummer… Brian Griese… Jay Cutler. Not tough to replace… esp for that money.

    Bronco’s need to look for a franchise QB, and secure a decent one in the mean time. Let the D carry for another season or so.

  27. Yeah because Elway played for free. Except that time they had to pay him under the table. Give me a break.

  28. I think Brock had good reason to not want to “be a Bronco.” He got benched for Peyton when he was clearly better during the season. Although it worked out in the postseason, I could see why it rubbed Oz the wrong way. It doesnt help that Elway said Oz is a mid level starter and deserves that kind of money. Not surprising he dashed for more than u said he was worth Elway.

  29. John Elway pouting at his best. They had the luxury of bringing in a starter over four years but mistreated him badly down the stretch and gave him NO recognition for his efforts this season. He should have been the starter all year. manning’s performance was horrible.

  30. As much as Denver knows Brock and offered him X dollars, Brock ALSO knows Denver and how the team works.

    He sees the losses in FA on defense and what role those guys played. He sees the changes in the offense and how those guys made things work too.

    Yep – Denver let him go for 3mil a year but he was also willing to walk away from a SB team for 3mil a year which in that market is NOT lifestyle changing.

  31. Amazing to hear the commentary on Brock.

    18 MILLION A YEAR… just not to mess up!!! Is that REALLY what it’s come down to???

    And many of you wonder why Elway and the Bronco’s stood pat and let him go???

  32. Texas is a red state… I’m sure it’s much tax friendlier so that makes the spread even greater…

  33. Every year this happens. Seems like the team that wins the super bowl are the teams that have a lot of contract years for the players. They get a ring now just looking to get paid.

  34. They will be hurting next year two- you think Von miller won’t require 18-20 mill a year? Surprised Elway didn’t spin this and say, “we couldn’t cheat the cap like we typically do and well next year we will be in the top 5 in the draft in each round because we will go 5-11 and this is what our intentions were all along.” And they will, I don’t care who they sign as qb this team will not be competing offensively and all the horse heads know it but won’t say it. Enjoy that 3rd ring cause it might be another 18 years before you get another.

  35. Houston really overpaid for an average NFL QB. That clown is getting more in guaranteed money than Tom Brady? Really? In their run-first, pass-second offense, all you need is a game manager and let the defense win it. $18M for Osweiler is a joke. On Houston. He lasts two years of that contract, depending on how the guaranteed money is structured.

  36. I love it. I thought Trevor Siemian was the best QB in college a couple years ago, now he’s going to have an opportunity to compete for the Broncos starting job. I remember the panic in New England when Bledsoe went down and they were forced to play Tom Brady. I remember when the Rams season was over before it started because Trent Green got hurt and they had to turn to some no-name named Kurt Warner. Don’t be surprised to see Siemian get Denver to the super bowl. Who’s Brock Osweiler?

  37. BS, John. At least 90% of free agents, in all major sports, sign with the team that offers the most $$$ regardless of which team they’d “want to play for”.
    Sour grapes, Elway. I always thought you were a jerk.

  38. Yeah, who wouldn’t want to lay it all out there for the Broncos?

    They got your back.

    Well……..up to a point.

  39. What did he do to get that money? He held the fort for a few weeks while Peyton was hurt, and now doesn’t return calls. Who does he think he is,, because he certainly isn’t an elite QB. Interesting to see how it turns out, because the Broncos will find someone who is better than him anyway. It’s not as if Elway doesn’t know QB’s. By the way, what was he doing pushing someone at 2am in the morning recently, after picking up a pizza.
    Do we think we are that important now???

  40. Ten years til next playoff appearance for Denver.

    But, at least you guys enjoyed watching the former Colt QB set all those passing records in orange & whatever shade of blue that is.

    Now we’ll get to see what kind of a drafting genius Elway is.

    It was pretty easy to recruit free agents when he could say, “We’ve got Peyton.”

    You’ve lost what now, 5 starters and it’s not even day 2 of free agency.

    I guess you did score a coup with the Chief’s swing tackle. That’s a blingy feather in Eldonk’s cap.

  41. Denver was 4-12 when John Elway took over.

    55 wins and 17 losses since.

    4 AFC West titles

    2 AFC Championships

    Super Bowl 50 Champs

    Brock Osweiler has seven starts and looked pretty impressive in 5-2 record. Not worth more than Tom Brady.

    My money is on Elway getting this one right.

  42. ill take RG3 over brock any day.. not that i think highly of him either but the one good year giffen had is better then any year brock will have his entire career bet on it.. dont know when such mediocre players started demanding so much

  43. Let the D carry for another season or so.

    Ask the 85 Bears and 00 Ravens how long defenses good enough to carry a team last.

  44. “We’ve stayed true to our philosophy of building a team with players who want to be Denver Broncos and want to be here.”

    And Elway takes the early lead for cliche of the year.

  45. All the critics now are the same ones that gave Denver ZERO chance of winning the superbowl. LOL

  46. Last week all of the Denver fans were pontificating about getting Brock for 8 million a year or some other unrealistic number. Looks like the fans and the GM have a lot in common. Both don’t understand the market and overestimate your draw to colarado for a discount. Haha Hilarious.

  47. I can’t stop laughing at the Elway bashing.

    Let’s see, he was ripped for releasing Tebow (Still is by some). Ripped for firing John Fox last season.

    Keep it coming….

    Mr. Elway is currently being fitted for another Super Bowl ring!!

  48. Same young punks that taunted doom doom to Denver for letting JT and others walk in FA a year ago. Elway had FOUR years to evaluate Brock. FOUR years. I think he knows what the value is. How long can you watch 6’8″ QB gets balls batted at the line of scrimmage and NOT think “We’re not giving him $18 mil/yr? Wonder why John is successful in business and NFL GM? You just witnessed it kids.

  49. The next guy who doesn’t want to be in Denver is Von Miller. Elway offered Osweiller over 3 million more than Miller will bet Franchised.

  50. It’s funny reading all the comments by the bitter haters. It’s clear they are fans of bottom feeder teams.

  51. Osweiler is crazy to send a signal like that…

    – very few available QBs with talent out there so he was certain to get a good contract

    – he played mediocre and ended up getting benched for PM, making his new contract stock for a new team lower

    – if he stayed, he would have taken over a top flight team and have a serious shot to go to the SB again next year if he made some improvement in his game

    so he stops returning everyone’s calls? huh? then he signs with the Texans of all teams?


  52. Oh shut up Elway, you hypocrite! That’s a shady sour-grapes shot because you obviously wouldn’t have offered him a deal otherwise. And yes, you’ve booted other players who wanted to be there and hid next to your daddy when you refused to play for the team that drafted you! Over privileged jerk!

  53. charliecharger says:
    Mar 9, 2016 7:32 PM
    I love it. I thought Trevor Siemian was the best QB in college a couple years ago, now he’s going to have an opportunity to compete for the Broncos starting job. I remember the panic in New England when Bledsoe went down and they were forced to play Tom Brady. I remember when the Rams season was over before it started because Trent Green got hurt and they had to turn to some no-name named Kurt Warner. Don’t be surprised to see Siemian get Denver to the super bowl. Who’s Brock Osweiler?
    Siemen didn’t beat out Oz to be the back up qb. Siemen also threw 7 TDS vs 11 INTS before tearing an ACL in game 11 his senior year? What crack are you smoking?

  54. How desperate must the Texans be to give $100 billion for an unproven guy, based on his 86.4 passer rating last season?

  55. 2015
    Brian Hoyer-Hou 91.4 passer rating, 59.6 Total QBR
    Brock Osweiler-Den 86.4 passer rating, 48.8 Total QBR

    Hoyer currently unemployed.
    Osweiler has 9th highest guaranteed contract for any QB in NFL.

  56. talk about throwing stones at glass houses… Elway the multi multi million dollar business man would leave money on the table sure he would..

    Good for you Brock I would take the most money someone offered me to it is called a business decision you hypocrite Elway

  57. lance19 says:
    Mar 9, 2016 8:15 PM
    How desperate must the Texans be to give $100 billion for an unproven guy, based on his 86.4 passer rating last season?


    100 billion would buy you every team in the league. Did you mean 72 million?

  58. Do you see other GM’s bashing players making business decisions – no. Elway must go! What free agent wants to be caught in his net? no thanks!

  59. randomguy9999 says:
    Mar 9, 2016 8:09 PM
    Osweiler is crazy to send a signal like that…

    – very few available QBs with talent out there so he was certain to get a good contract……………………….
    I’m guessing he wanted to get the hell out of DODGE!

  60. Peyton fell into Elway’s lap. However, Osweiler leaving is a horse of a different color.

  61. Translation … Elway just said to Osweiler, “Oh yeah? Well you can’t break up with me because I broke up with you!”

    There’s no need to announce that you didn’t make a mistake if you’re truly confident in your decision.

    Elway’s statement says that he feels threatened by the attention he’s getting for losing Osweiler — so threatened that needed to throw some passive-aggressive shade at Osweiler. No wonder Elway and Peyton Manning got along so well!

  62. “We’ve stayed true to our philosophy of building a team with players who want to be Denver Broncos and want to be here.”

    Are you going to say the same thing when you cut a guy before his contract expires? Or are you going to pull out the “It’s just business.” line?

  63. ““We’ve stayed true to our philosophy of building a team with players who want to be Denver Broncos and want to be here. That’s been a successful approach for us,” Elway said.”

    What a bunch of corporate mumbo jumbo.

  64. Siemian was awesome in college despite meaningless stats. Go take a look at his Northwestern roster and compare the number of pro prospects to teams like Michigan State and Ohio State. Now imagine if Siemian was surrounded by players at the same level. He’d completely dominate. That’s what John Elway was obviously looking at. People pointed out Elway’s win-loss record when he played at Stanford. Compare his Stanford roster to the pro prospects that USC and UCLA had at the time. The tape never lies. Siemian is a can’t miss pro.

  65. Like Brock said, screw Elway, I’m going where I’m wanted.
    Good for him.

  66. thebrownswillalwaysloose
    Mar 9, 2016, 5:57 PM CST
    Karna maybe, for Elway backing out of playing for the Colts?

    Yup after 2 super bowl rings as a player and one as an executive and millions of dollars in the bank account karma is finally coming back to haunt John Elway. I mean that seriously was one of the dumbest things ever read and I’m not exaggerating.

  67. I want to hate Elway, but I also understand what he’s saying. He sent Fox packing and everyone was waiting for a meltdown that never happened. Brock was angry because he felt he should have been able to play out the season. I know this sounds strange, but this is what is better for both sides and I wish them both well.

  68. Big John made a big stink on draft day not wanting to play for frank kush and the colts. Now osweiller wants money and he gets dissed by big john. Typical NFL irony and hypocrisy here folks.

  69. Hey haters, Brock has nearly the identical stats as Matt Flynn when he got paid! Look how that worked out. Elway did the right thing by not breaking the bank on a guy that looked merely mediocre when subbing for Peyton. Oh and BTW, since becoming GM in Denver, Elway has 5 straight AFC West Crowns, 2 Super Bowl appearances with 1 ring, the best record in the NFL…………………..should I continue? Nah? Eat it!

  70. “It’s an unusual situation — the 2000 Ravens are the only other Super Bowl champ to enter the next season without either of their top two quarterbacks ”

    Hmmmm…..and how long did it take them to win their next SuperBowl?

  71. I hate to admit it, but Elway has earned any benefit of doubt for a bit. Just does.

  72. Lol at the haters. Anybody who thinks Denver is going to miss the playoffs for a decade needs a drug test or concussion protocol. The d is still stacked and ripe for plugging in solid players as need be. Offense essentially stopped after Green Bay. It was pathetic! Fitz would be awesome, draft Connor cook and get seimian some reps.

    Elways only mistake was not signing Richie incognito in 2014 after his workout with the Broncos.

  73. Kubiak picked Matt Schaub over Peyton Manning. One of those two just won another ring and the other is holding a clipboard on his way out of the league. I’m sure he knows much more about Osweiler than Houston does, but his history doesn’t paint a picture of a guy that is much of a judge of quarterbacks.

  74. Just like you told the Colts you didn’t want to be there and went on to fail multiple times in the big game.

    Nobody cares about your bitterness, John.

  75. If Denver gave Brock 18 million a year. All of you would call Elway an idiot.

  76. Manning leads Denver to a Super Bowl win a month ago and instead of paying him, they threaten to cut him if he doesn’t retire. Osweiler saw that and said bye bye.

  77. Couple of things for the misinformed. Brock is not a franchise QB. Safe to say that Elway and Kubiak know much more about what a QB is worth than all the PFT GMs on here tonight. From somebody who was in the stadium for his benching; he would not have not beat SD in week 17, we would not have had #1 seed, and we would have lost in NE. Things fell just right for the Broncos and that is what tends to happen each year for SB Champions. Not paying over-the-top money for 97, 59, and 17 is a continuation.

  78. Brock left because of the benching. Plain and simple. He gave Kubiak and elway a giant middle finger.

    Osweiller got that team to the playoffs despite receivers dropping record numbers of passes.

    Good for osweiller. Stick it to Kubiak by going to his former team. Lol.

  79. A few points.

    -Brock would have cost the Broncos the division and home field advantage. How can anyone forget that
    -The Broncos did not get “next to nothing” from the quarterback position. Fantasy football stats are irrelevant. Getting in field goal position is very helpful to the Broncos as they were constructed. And Broncos would not have beat the Patriots a second time without Manning and his two touchdown passes.
    -No, your grandmother nor a lot of other qbs could have led the Broncos to a superbowl

  80. Hey Elway I hear Tebow’s available and willing to play for anyone. Wonder if he still has that old jersey lying around somewhere. lol

  81. unnamed sources close to the situation tell me Osweiler just wanted to be in a division with no Kalil Mack.

  82. “Don’t be surprised to see Siemian get Denver to the super bowl.”

    Only if he’s driving the bus. A pretty good college qb doesn’t make even a ok NFL qb.


    “The tape never lies. Siemian is a can’t miss pro.”

    Wishful thinking. Like Easter Bunny and Santa wishful.

  83. Now that the Broncos and their pesky Mile High home field advantage is out of the way, the Patriots will have an easier road to the Super Bowl this year. They just need to stay relatively healthy.

  84. pastabelly says:
    Mar 9, 2016 7:13 PM
    From the turd who weaseled his way out of being drafted by Baltimore. He is so arrogant. Billy O’Brien won here.


    Laugh all you want, but with 20/20 hindsight, it was the right move.

    In 84 Irsay and his Colt’s completed the infamous Mayflower Move and departed Baltimore in the middle of the night for Indianapolis.

    You also have seen how Jim Irsay, his sons, acts.

    It was unprecedented, but the right move.

  85. So, you want players that want to be in Denver huh?

    Hey Elway, I heard that Johnny Football WANTS to be in Denver…

    You could get him for cheap too…

  86. Practice what u preach there John. Oz left cause he felt unwanted and disrespected. A bad half that wasn’t really his fault and u bench him and let manning drive the car to the trophy? Then you wait til the week of free agency to offer him a weak contract of only three years under market value? Then you get butthurt when he leaves for more money and a longer deal? Your arrogance is as astounding as the day you told the colts you are gonna play for the Yankees. Maybe if you took your lips off mannings keyster for two seconds you’d see that you alienated Brock by permanently benching him for the season. I wouldn’t want to be in a place that harbors doubt in my ability as a qb. Then you have the balls to take a shot saying that we only want players that wanna be here. Sorry Broncos fans, this ones on your ego maniacal gm. Maybe if he wasn’t so busy checking out his reflection in the Lombardi, he could’ve done his job and solidified this teams future.

  87. Everyone bashing Elway would have also bashed him if he had signed Brock to a long term deal. I liked Brock, but Houston overpaid. He’s not worth top 10 money at this point.

  88. Can someone please remind me who just wine the Super Bowl with a QB on his death bed? Also Broncos knew about this 2 weeks ago… but people don’t care about facts.

  89. If people think that the Broncos won the Super Bowl despite Peyton Manning, then the Broncos can win another Super Bowl with Tim Tebow, who is a free agent nobody wants and may sign for the league minimum for veterans.

  90. Maybe Elway and the Broncos need to eat some crow and put in a call to one Timothy R. Tebow. They will not be back in the Super Bowl next year. They are leaving the team like flies for greener pastures.

  91. Elway just bitter cause he knows Broncos will need more than defense to win a CHIP next season. News flash horse face, Denver doesn’t have a Terrell Davis to bail out the team like it did for you way back in the 90s grunge days!!!

  92. Elway: We want players who want to be here.

    Players: We want to play for a team that wants us.

  93. Go for Tebow. I know he wants to be a Bronco.

    Elway gets played on this one and no fancy answer can cover it up.

  94. The QB you lost is essentially making 18M per year for 2 years. If you had finagled the same kind of typically back loaded non guaranteed contracts we see in the NFL. Were the players never sees the later money.

    You wouldn’t have to be subjecting yourselves to the likes of RG3 and Kap as the best options.

    I could get the Defense could carry the QB angle. But you already lost a few parts. A RB looks to be on the way out with a second one to possibly follow.

  95. They grossly overpaid for Von Miller. That’s the one that will handcuff them for a while.

  96. I think people will ultimately figure out that Osweiler was only an average talent and Houston paid too much for him. Denver can get by with an effective game manager at QB which opens up the market for them. Elway is not going to give up the farm to trade for Kaepernik so maybe he will just start a rookie.

  97. Give Tebow a shot. As a Bears fan no need to buy NFL ticket here in Iowa but would do so to watch some Bronco games if he was on the team. people forget the NFL is just entertainment and Tebow is fun to watch. If he can’t make the team no skin off anyone’s back.

    Given all the real problems of a much greater level we face can’t believe how much anti-Tebow stuff comes up at the mere mention of his name.

    Some football fans need perspective.

  98. Good for Brock you cashed in. Good luck living up to that contract in Houston cuz we’ve seen how this story usually ends. Tho you have a D, RB now and a great WR. So if you fall flat on your face…..I love Peyton but anybody posting here could have done alright qb’ing that team with that defense. The big loss is Jackson, but then again let’s see how he plays without Miller and Ware getting all the attention. Got side tracked. Brock is either gonna light it up or be a bust no in between.
    Hopkins is his new best friend. Heck he made Hoyer and Mallete look good. So your saying there’s a chance…..

  99. I hope things work out so that RG3 ends up with John Boy Elwayw. RG# will eventually get hungry, and then Elway can sell him on the” if you take less money now, you can get more later” song and dance.

  100. Huh, I heard C.J. Anderson really wanted to play for another team and Elway grossly overpaid to keep him. I guess when the players are running for the hills he best try and keep as many as he can. Besides, salary caps are for losers in Denver’s world.

  101. Elway: We want players who want to be here

    You just don’t want to pay equal value for them. Your team just retired and the rest jumping ship.


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