Patriots continue to tee off on the Wells Report

AP

The Patriots are not letting Deflategate go.

Ten months after Ted Wells issued his report finding it more likely than not that Tom Brady had schemed with team employees to deflate footballs, the Patriots have updated their website, WellsReportContext.com, to offer what the team calls 15 myths about Deflategate.

The 15 myths make up a long and detailed document, put forward by Patriots counsel Daniel L. Goldberg, in which the Patriots make several claims, including:

— Changes in air pressure to the Patriots’ footballs could be the result of the weather at the AFC Championship Game, rather than someone intentionally deflating footballs.
— The inflation measurements taken both before the game and at halftime may have been unreliable.
— The NFL can’t be sure which gauge referee Walt Anderson used to test the PSI of the Patriots’ footballs.
— Texts between two Patriots employees don’t show that they schemed to deflate footballs.
— There’s nothing suspicious or improper about contact between Brady and a Patriots employee.
— There’s nothing suspicious or improper about Brady destroying his phone.
— The Patriots employee who took game balls into a restroom wasn’t in there long enough to deflate a dozen footballs.
— Brady never said he wanted footballs below the league’s minimum inflation level.

The Patriots have already given up on trying to get back the first-round draft pick the league took as a result of the Wells Report. But they’re still hoping that Brady ultimately prevails in fighting his suspension, and they’re still hoping they ultimately prevail in their public relations battle with the league. The Patriots are a long way from giving up on that fight.

243 responses to “Patriots continue to tee off on the Wells Report

  1. Farce of a sham.

    NFL Office attempt at bringing NE back to the rest of the pack to achieve parity.

    All the haters … your team maybe next … ie. KC

  2. Reminds me of Roger Clemens. Nothing suspicious about Brady destroying his phone…hahaha

  3. Sadly, with as many “cheating” scandals that have been alleged against the patriots in the Belichek/Brady era, there is virtually nothing they can do to get the stench of cheating erased from the majority public image of the team and its players.

  4. The NFL lied to Mort about PSI levels and never corrected it.

    The NFL lied to the Pats in a memo stating PSI levels of Pats and Colts footballs.

    The NFL lied to Kelly Naqui about McNally trying to put an unapproved football into play.

    The NFL lied about the NFLPA wanting to seal the appeal transcript.

    The NFL lied about Brady’s appeal testimony claiming he only spoke to Jastremski about Superbowl prep.

    The NFL lied about Wells investigation being independent.

    The NFL lied about when Kensil & Vincent found out about the “problem” with the footballs.

    The NFL hired Exponent who lied about the science.

    These are all indisputable facts. There are ZERO facts or proof that Brady or anyone else in the Pats organization has lied about anything in regards to Deflategate.

  5. A little bit too late if the patriots were such fighters then they should have taken the same route Tom Brady took and appealed the league’s decision and fought for their draft pick. But Robert Kraft is butt buddies with Goodell that he just took it like a you know what.

  6. – The same Roger Gooddell who found Brady “not credible” lied about the testimony in the suspension arbitration hearing – something the transcript shows quite clearly. Heck, he even lied about which side wanted the transcript sealed.

    It IS kind of interesting in a league where the owners and franchises can be fined for even questioning league decisions that they Pats have chosen to and been able to keep giving the league the finger.

  7. “Texts between two Patriots employees don’t show that they schemed to deflate footballs.”

    Yeah, come on guys, “the deflator” was just trying to lose some weight. Give the poor fatty a break.

  8. ibelievebrady says:
    Mar 11, 2016 1:30 PM
    The NFL lied to Mort about PSI levels and never corrected it.

    The NFL lied to the Pats in a memo stating PSI levels of Pats and Colts footballs.

    The NFL lied to Kelly Naqui about McNally trying to put an unapproved football into play.

    The NFL lied about the NFLPA wanting to seal the appeal transcript.

    The NFL lied about Brady’s appeal testimony claiming he only spoke to Jastremski about Superbowl prep.

    The NFL lied about Wells investigation being independent.

    The NFL lied about when Kensil & Vincent found out about the “problem” with the footballs.

    The NFL hired Exponent who lied about the science.

    These are all indisputable facts. There are ZERO facts or proof that Brady or anyone else in the Pats organization has lied about anything in regards to Deflategate.
    ****************************
    Actually they have been disputed numbers of times. Saying it isn’t say doesn’t have any more merit than saying it is.

  9. I just read this morning that some kid who’s last name is actually Goodell, proved as a science fair project that the deflation was well with in the range that could occur with the temps and humidity that were present at the game. Shame the NFL didn’t hire him first.

  10. What does “they have given up on trying to get back their first round pick” even mean? Was there some statute of limitations? As far as I can tell, there was no actual appeal process in place and theoretically they are not even supposed to be able to appeal it. Maybe they are waiting until closer to the draft so that they can, in effect, “hold the draft hostage.” I’m spitballing but other than Kraft saying he wasn’t going to appeal back when he though it would help Brady, I’ve seen nothing that says it’s all of a sudden too late to put up a fight.

  11. I just zoomed right to the part about the “Deflator.” Sure enough, the Pats no longer try to lie about that being a term he used because he was trying to lose weight. Instead, they try to argue “Yeah, well, he only used the name ‘Deflator’ one time! That proves he wasn’t deflating footballs!”

    That’s all I need to know about this comical attempt to summarize the facts one year later.

  12. i think the statement by judge chin that there is overwhelming evidence of a cheating scandal has sealed their fate.

    It is unfortunate that people even those who are supposed to review the facts believe what they want to believe.

    as we saw with the recent KC Chief ruling, there is no integrity, there is no consistency, the NFL has become a league of bullys.

    My only hope is the most outrageous posters on this site get a taste of this.

  13. Besides for Brady, I’m not sure why my pats even fight this thing any more. The moronic haters made up their minds 2 seconds after Bob Kravtiz’s tweet anyway so at the end of the day they aren’t getting the picks back and dumb people will believe what they want to believe. But all the haters and the rest of the VOCAL MINORITY won’t change the fact the pats are the greatest team in at least 30 years, won’t change the fact TB and BB are the best ever at their respective positions. So whatever, haters have deflate gate and spygate and crygate to reminisce about and lifelong pats fans like myself have 4 shiny Lombardis and a team that will be forever discussed as the the greatest franchise in sports. I can live with that.

    To quote Ned Stark:

    A madman (haters) sees what he sees

  14. 1. I am not a Patriot fan. To all with the hate for the Patriots ? Maybe you should hit the link and watch the videos. It’s pretty much proven Nothing happened out of the norm. Blind hatred for a team is wrong. There more the. Enough scientific evidence that proves Ted Wells is a buffoon and in all of his reports he has been hired to do, in every case, he blindly left out pertinent information. All of his reports are identical. Guilty until proven innocent down the road. He is a buffoon.

  15. Its assumed anyone who agrees with the nfl here just doesnt know thr facts or are just so jealous and hate the pats so much it makes them insane.

    Keep hating ! Pats will keep winning

  16. ladyjet says:
    Mar 11, 2016 1:34 PM
    Its all about the phone, bout the phone….bout the phone….
    ______________

    Except of course the phone wasn’t an issue until Brady told them he destroyed it. This has nothing to do with PSI, if it ever did, this is simply about the virtually unlimited power to apply discipline in whatever manner he sees fit the league believes the commi$$ioner has under the CBA.

    Read the Washington Post article about the 2nd circuit appeal. The league has stepped on it’s crank again

  17. mikermiker says:
    Mar 11, 2016 1:25 PM
    The Patriots legacy is forever stained with cheating, and rightly so.
    ==============================
    mikeymikey,
    The Patriots legacy can’t be stained. All you have to do is watch them play. One game is all it takes to convince e anyone that the only reputation stained is Goodell the Narcissist. The Patriots may not win every game, or every superbowl, but it is extremely rare that they are not in a game right up to the final two minutes.
    Your eyes don’t deceive whereas your mind is easily beguiled.

  18. I think it’s interesting this update is signed by their legal counsel.

    Maybe a preamble to legal action in the unlikely event Brady loses this court case.

    And that is exactly what they should do because they’re right and Goodell is wrong.

    As usual.

    🙂

  19. Patriots legacy = Cheating dynasty! Sorry dillusional Patriots fans…..Belicheat and Shady Brady is how the NFL fan base views your team!!

  20. The Deflatriots are the OJ Simpson of the NFL.

    Who us? What phone? The deflator was just trying to lose weight. Bring in the Science guys, who cares that out ballboy stole the balls and took them into a bathroom with no toilet.

    A comedy of circumstance.

  21. ibelievebrady says:
    Mar 11, 2016 1:30 PM
    The NFL lied to Mort about PSI levels and never corrected it.

    The NFL lied to the Pats in a memo stating PSI levels of Pats and Colts footballs.

    The NFL lied to Kelly Naqui about McNally trying to put an unapproved football into play.

    The NFL lied about the NFLPA wanting to seal the appeal transcript.

    The NFL lied about Brady’s appeal testimony claiming he only spoke to Jastremski about Superbowl prep.

    The NFL lied about Wells investigation being independent.

    The NFL lied about when Kensil & Vincent found out about the “problem” with the footballs.

    The NFL hired Exponent who lied about the science.

    These are all indisputable facts. There are ZERO facts or proof that Brady or anyone else in the Pats organization has lied about anything in regards to Deflategate.

    You left out the most important lie, D’Qwell Jackson telling a coach the ball was soft. We know that didn’t happen. More probable than not it was the Colts who tampered.

    Anyone with the sense of a gnat should be able to see through the BS the NFL has dumped on us.

  22. — There’s nothing suspicious or improper about Brady destroying his phone.

    Except when your under investigation and you know the league is going to want to look at your phone…

    Then that is total suspicious!

    The patriots should just quit wasting their time on this. Your fans and only your fans believe everything you say. The rest of the country can’t be had by your bad “Jedi mind tricks”.

  23. Would someone who believes the was a deliberate deflation please explain why the Colts lied about D’Qwell Jackson telling a coach the ball was soft, because that never really happened.

    Anyone?

    Thought so.

  24. How come even though Wells met with Mcnally and JJ several times that their interviews didn’t make it into the Wells/Pash report? Oh yea, “they weren’t found to be credible”. Just like Brady and any Patriot answer was found “to not be credible”.

    Funny, the only ones that were “found to be credible” are the people we KNOW are proven liars:

    Goodell
    Pash
    Vincent
    Wells
    The Refs

    So you haters can rest your hat on the argument that the League Office, comprised of proven liars and swindlers, are more credible than Tom Brady under oath.

  25. If I am the Pats, I harp on the fact that the Wells Report found that 3 of the 4 Colts footballs were also underinflated. Brady shouldn’t bother with ball deflation, just take HGH like Peyton and he will be able to play until he’s 50.

  26. A lot about this phone nonsense. Most forget Wells already looked at the phones of the two ball boys / employees. One has to believe IF Brady texted anything to the. Wells would have seen it in their phones.
    Wells had no legal right to see anyone’s phone in this matter. That’s why it’s called a free country Mr Wells He should read up on stuff like that.

  27. Does anybody out there seriously think the Patriots would go to the mat like this if it wasn’t legit??? What happened with Deflategate? The Pats said “our bad, won’t happen again”, and moved on. No way would anybody go to these lengths if there wasn’t validity behind it. Keep hating, haters…

  28. Still waiting for science to explain why the Colts footballs weren’t under inflated….

    Science has been wrong before…
    Common Sense > Science…

    Don’t believe me? Go read any story on this site regarding marijuana. Watch how many scientists claim smoking marijuana is not harmful despite common sense telling us inhaling smoke is harmful.. that’s why you choke when inhaling too much smoke…

  29. rootpain says:
    Mar 11, 2016 1:47 PM
    The Patriots legacy can’t be stained. All you have to do is watch them play.

    *********************************************

    I did week 17 against the Dolphins and then the week after against the Broncos. They are no longer an elite team they are just lucky do be in a weak/dysfunctional division. And before all of you Pats fans start using injuries as an excuse, every team has injuries at that point in the season. The Dolphins embarrassed them without Cam Wake and other starters. My vote? Stained!

  30. More comedy from the Pats: “Myth #14: Tom Brady’s decision not to retain his phone reflects his guilt.”

    Right, Brady didn’t destroy his phone, he just decided “not to retain” it. It was his normal practice, except for the phone right before the one he destroyed.

  31. There’s nothing wrong with continuing to “tee off” on the Wells report, when you’re teeing off on a report that was the product of a careless and slipshod investigation, and whose conclusion was already set in stone before the investigation began. Maybe if the NFL gave up on its obsessive vendetta against Tom Brady, the Patriots would stand down. Until then, it’s game on.

  32. The opinion of Patriots haters:

    Independent scientists from the best institutions in the country cant be believed. The NFL, who has been caught lying repeatedly in the Roger Goodell era is a pillar of integrity…this time.

  33. The Wells Report is and has been a punchline for some time now among everyone except perhaps two of the judges on the 2nd Court of Appeals.

  34. Don’t be fooled folks. The Patriots aren’t doing this for their fans amusement.

    The fact that this content came from a big time lawyer ain’t no coincidence. It’s as clear as day. There is an angle here and it’s one that’s going to shock and awe if you don’t like the Patriots.

    🙂

  35. I’m willing to bet the people who are still buying into the Wells report are also the same people who firmly disregard all other scientific evidence towards climate change.

  36. Meanwhile josh Gordon rolls his eyes and goes yeah YOU guys got screwed. The balls leaving the field is still the most compelling proof. Its not much, but Boston’s best still can’t come up with a decent rebuttal. Simply put the Pats need to prove McNally took them in for a pre game pep talk.

  37. jetsfan136 says:
    Mar 11, 2016 1:57 PM

    New England Patriots: We snuck footballs into a bathroom before a game but it wasn’t for that long, OK?
    ===============

    7 NFL officials couldn’t measure more than 15 footballs during halftime, but some guy was able to meticulously deflate 24 footballs to a very specific PSI in less than 90 seconds. Right…

  38. People who call the Patriots cheaters ignore one key piece of evidence (or are just ignorant of it).

    In 2006, Brady got other QBs to back him in petitioning the league to change an equipment preparation rule, allowing teams to alter the surface texture of their footballs pre-game.

    This means if Brady wanted a pressure below 12.5psig, he would have just gotten the rule changed to allow it. There is no motive to covertly tamper with footballs.

  39. There was so much imprecision about the halftime events that no one seemed to notice there was an extra, unexplained Patriots’ football on Mr. Farley’s list.

    —-
    LOL. The nugget that starts with this is just awesome. Clearly the league thinks air in footballs is the holy grail of integrity.

    Anyone still think this incompetent buffoon should still be commissioner of this league?

  40. There’s nothing suspicious or improper about Brady destroying his phone
    ==========================
    Well the judge in the case says otherwise… SMH

  41. Does anybody out there seriously think the Patriots would go to the mat like this…

    It’s not costing them anything. The NFL PA is paying for the lawyers…and De Smith has not qualms about wasting the players’ money.

  42. igornathanhiggers says:
    Mar 11, 2016 1:54 PM

    Still waiting for science to explain why the Colts footballs weren’t under inflated….
    ————————

    You might be waiting a while, because 3 of the 4 Colts footballs they bothered to measure were under 12.5psi.

    It’s in the Pash Report.

  43. drudema says:
    Mar 11, 2016 2:09 PM

    I’m willing to bet the people who are still buying into the Wells report are also the same people who firmly disregard all other scientific evidence towards climate change.
    ————————–

    The “scientific evidence” towards man-made climate change is as bogus as the Pash Report.

  44. MDS: after Ted Wells issued his report finding it more likely than not that Tom Brady had schemed with team employees to deflate footballs…
    —————–
    Wrong! Goodell called it “a scheme”, but that is not the Wells’ conclusion!

  45. …..Parker went on to say that Brady’s explanation that he routinely destroys his phone “made no sense whatsoever.” Federal court reporter Max Stendahl of Law360 tweeted throughout the hearing and noted that Judge Denny Chin called evidence “compelling, if not overwhelming.”

  46. The Patriots are not letting Deflategate go.
    ————————————————-
    Because the NFL refuses to let it go.

    Hope the Patriots continue to “not let it go” and keep fighting this travesty.

  47. Hope the Patriots continue to “not let it go” and keep fighting this travesty.
    ======================
    Sorry to burst your bubble but Judge Denny Chin called evidence “compelling, if not overwhelming.”

  48. Trial of public opinion begins in anticipation of losing the appeal by the NFL Commissioners office.

  49. New England Patriots: We snuck footballs into a bathroom before a game but it wasn’t for that long, OK?
    —————————
    Is it really sneaking when the big fat ball boy McNally walks right out of the officials locker room in plain view of the refs and league officials, who clearly watch him walk out and say nothing?

    People act like McNally slipped out a back door. He’s a fat dude with a bag of 24 footballs, pretty hard to miss him.

  50. Get over it already. You won in court to keep Brady from being suspended (despite the fact that he wasn’t exactly cooperative with the investigation), and you’re going to win in court again.

    Whining about this in public is getting old. At some point, the old observation of “Me thinks you doth protest too much” starts to take hold.

    Move on…

  51. mattwalshvideo says: Mar 11, 2016 1:49 PM

    The Deflatriots are the OJ Simpson of the NFL.

    Who us? What phone? The deflator was just trying to lose weight. Bring in the Science guys, who cares that out ballboy stole the balls and took them into a bathroom with no toilet.

    A comedy of circumstance.
    ……………

    That bathroom had a toilet.

    You completely made that up.

    There was a question of whether there was a stall or a urinal, but that isn’t what you said. You need to check your facts before you post.

  52. Brady’s phone has been destroyed.
    Spygate tapes have been destroyed.

    A lot of the factual evidence proving Patriots cheated seems to get ‘destroyed’. Although Goodell helped his former BFF Kraft out when he incinerated the Spygate tapes for him lol

  53. Once again the Cheater’s spectators are the only ones that know everything that is going on. Much more than any member of the team or it’s management structure. And everyone else is full of it . The clinical name for this condition is psychosis, which means they are unable to tell what is real, and which is imagined.

  54. Climate change..not really. Still nice and cold in New England most of the time.

  55. The Patriots employee who took game balls into a restroom wasn’t in there long enough to deflate a dozen footballs.
    ===========================
    Why would anyone take footballs into a restroom to begin with is beyond belief…. Cheats!

  56. Two big issues here: #1 both gauges were used on both teams balls and we all know the patriots balls dropped considerably more than the colts balls- why? and #2 lets say “ideal gas law” was proved, all the colts balls dropped at around the same amt and all finished within .4 psi of eachother at halftime. The patriots balls had a variance of 1.4psi from the fullest one to the most deflated. If weather deflates balls- they would all drop at around the same rate (give or take just a little- not not a full 1.4 difference), they were all in the same weather conditions and all being used. That just does not make sense.

  57. “There’s nothing suspicious or improper about Brady destroying his phone”

    Brady may be completely innocent and never had any intention of ever providing his phone but destroying it when he knows others perceive it as possible evidence is most definitely a suspicious act.

    If someone was aware they were under investigation for murder and they could prove they were 1000 miles away at the time of the murder would you not find it suspicious if they destroyed the clothes they wore the day of the murder?

    I hope it turns out for the best and doesn’t affect their season. They consistently put together a quality team and regardless what the haters may say, all teams use the Patriots as a barometer of where their at. Playing the Patriots is always one of the top games every year.

  58. footballfanatic says:
    Mar 11, 2016 2:55 PM
    Two big issues here: #1 both gauges were used on both teams balls and we all know the patriots balls dropped considerably more than the colts balls- why? and #2 lets say “ideal gas law” was proved, all the colts balls dropped at around the same amt and all finished within .4 psi of eachother at halftime. The patriots balls had a variance of 1.4psi from the fullest one to the most deflated. If weather deflates balls- they would all drop at around the same rate (give or take just a little- not not a full 1.4 difference), they were all in the same weather conditions and all being used. That just does not make sense.

    Yeah , except you left out 2 very important factors

    We don’t know the starting psi of all the balls
    And the colts balls say in the room for almost 10 minutes BEFORE being measured. That’s kinda important

  59. It has to be miserable trying to persevere as a Patriot hater. Every time there is a new allegation to get excited about …turns out its just more bellyaching from losers…

  60. Why can’t the patriots get their picks back? this is ludicrous. The Jets tamper, of which there is proof, nothing. No proof against Pats and they lose picks and momey. Why?

    A Former NFL and Packer Fan

  61. Christe!!!!! You people who want to deny the science, just click the link on the article and watch the videos.

    These are opinions of well respected scientists who SELF ADMITTED are not Patriots fans. One of them even says “I wanted them to be guilty”

  62. Why would he make deflator comment in offseason. I think it was April or May if he wasn’t joking about his weight. And he did just mention it once in his texts but the NFL wasn’t you to ignore that. It wasn’t a running joke or anything. NFL does not have science on their side but since it’s so obvious they are out to get Patriots they really don’t care. Revis is tampered with and Jets get a slap on wrist because it was Patriots but look at the punishment they handed out to Chiefs for tampering.

  63. FootballFanatic = Moron

    To claim Indy ran the same amount of offensive plays as NE in the rain, with a 250 lb running back being tackled to the ground 15 times before halftime, is beyond disingenuous.

    NE ran FAR more plays than Indy in that first half.

    They scored MORE in the second half, but ran a ton of plays in the rain in the first half.

    And, no, the Pats balls did not “drop considerably more”.

    Another idiot who didn’t read any of the reports.

    Anyone without a college degree shouldn’t be using a computer, tablet, etc and posting in here. It’s way, way beyond your IQ capacity, apparently.

  64. Deflator= one text 7 months before the AFC Championship game. Despite having the text in its possession for months neither the NFL or Wells questioned McNally about it – ever. That seems curious as it is now a smoking gun against Brady. There has never been an explanation of this.

    Footballs in the Bathroom. McNally did not sneak into the bathroom, videotape evidence shows he walked out of the officials locker room in full view of the game officials, stadium security, and NFL security. This after the NFL was on the “lookout” for something improper happening to the footballs. The same video tape shows he was in there for 90 seconds.

  65. Destroying his phone means nothing, all of the information on it can be recovered and be made available for the judges or league office to view. Instead of saying destroyed , he had said it was broken, would there be such an outrage?

  66. @Broncos Addict

    Why is it you little, uneducated children refuse to read the Wells Report??!

    In the report itself, it says they didn’t need Brady’s phone.

    It was only 2 months later, when Goodell/Wells were scrambling for something, did they come back, and Brady had purchased a new phone.

    Once the lies/leaks went to ESPN, the Pats, the lawyers, the union, etc, all knew what Goodell was up to.

    Why should Brady, you or ANYONE trust that kind of an entity?

    I would absolutely not give up my phone to the police if i knew they were trying to frame me, for example.

    Absolutely not. Get a warrant and they maybe my lawyer will talk to you.

    Goodell is not above American LAw. Period.

  67. “There’s nothing suspicious or improper about Brady destroying his phone”
    ———————————————————–

    Really?

    Nice spin suggesting it isn’t because Judge Barring Parker asked ‘why couldn’t the commissioner suspend Mr. Brady for that conduct alone’?

    ‘This went from air in a football to affecting an investigation,’ Parker said. ‘Brady’s explanation of this made no sense whatsoever.’

    That’s the sticking point for the judges in this appeal: phone tampering. So, keep downplaying destroying evidence in an ongoing investigation as a non-issue.

  68. Yes, the league officials are mostly liars AND so are the the Patriots. There is room for two scumbags in this story.

    Cheaters and liars never change. No matter how big of a DBag Goodell is, it doesn’t change the fact that the Patriots (still?!?) employ a guy who calls himself The Deflator and have a QB who tossed his phone in a lake like it was a burner from The Wire. A total Hernandez move. It took 15 years but all credibility is lost when dealing with (duped) Kraft/spygate Bill and Tommy.

    Enjoy the 2nd round of the draft.

  69. tylawspick6 says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:03 PM
    FootballFanatic = Moron

    To claim Indy ran the same amount of offensive plays as NE in the rain, with a 250 lb running back being tackled to the ground 15 times before halftime, is beyond disingenuous.

    NE ran FAR more plays than Indy in that first half.

    They scored MORE in the second half, but ran a ton of plays in the rain in the first half.

    And, no, the Pats balls did not “drop considerably more”.

    Another idiot who didn’t read any of the reports.

    Anyone without a college degree shouldn’t be using a computer, tablet, etc and posting in here. It’s way, way beyond your IQ capacity, apparently.

    I agree. You should at least have to be able to pass a basic IQ test before being able to access the Internet.

  70. Why would the guy take the balls into the bathroom? Because he was responsible for those footballs. If something happened to the balls ,he would lose his job. It is chaotic on game day in the tunnels. Nothing illegal took place. This is all a bunch of crap that the league office is making up instead of just taking blame for not implementing their rules for game day balls. The league office should have made everyone aware of the policies moving forward and released all PSI measurements of every game until there is no more NFL football.

  71. People who believe that the Patriots are guilty of something and support the NFL are the same people who will be voting for Donald Trump — low information consumers!!

  72. I think the incompetent buffoon Goodell must go.
    He has handled Deflategate so poorly but even worse was the destroying of Spygate evidence 4 days after weakly penalizing NE.
    Kraft accepted these loss of draft picks and the fine so that speaks volumes.
    Brady is no angel in all this. Enjoy the boos as your career winds down Tom.
    GoodellMustGo😊

  73. What the Patriots released today was a waste of time because it’s wasted on either of the two types of people on these feeds..

    One are the rational and honest folks that, regardless as to whether they like Brady and/or the Patriots, some even hate, have long since realized this whole thing was a sham from the start and that neither Brady nor any member the Patriots did anything to tamper with the footballs. Those folks did not even need today’s release by the Patriots as they knew this truth long ago.

    The other group are a pack of lying haters who also have long since known that the Pat’s are innocent here but they are so dishonest to themselves and others they lack the credibility to admit it. These folks when confronted with a truth that’s other than what they wanted will instead perpetuate a lie even making up more lies when they have to. For those people anything the Patriots release today or any other day will be rejected by them. Indeed if Roger Goodell stood up today to apologize and publicly admit that the entire thing was a lack of lies he and other NFL officials invented for their agenda, and restored the draft picks etc, this group of guys would reject that to and keep up their ‘heater chanting. These guys have no guts, no credibility, their lives are sad because they suck at how they handle stuff. They are a miserable bunch is why hating means so much to them. The final irony is that their constant lying makes them cheaters. For all their attempts to call others cheaters it’s really them. There is no helping them. In fact, it’s best to just pity them because you know a person like that has nothing they can make go right in their world.

    Everybody that reads this knows which group they fall into. There is no third group, it’s just these two.

  74. tylawspick6 says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:03 PM

    Oh the pats ran more plays? did they run TRIPLE the plays the colts did? b/c thats how much more their ball were deflated. What do you mean more plays? wasnt it the weather that deflated them?!?!?! And ur prob one of the idiots saying gronk spiking the ball caused the loss of air. Doesnt matter if you run 1 play or 20- both balls will be at the SAME psi- do your math buddy, cuz so far you havent made any sense.

  75. flash1287 says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:00 PM

    #1 yes we do know the starting point of the PSI- all were 12.5 except one was 12.6.
    #2 being in a locker room for 10 minutes does NOT mean a full extra 1 psi air pressure drop. Let me guess- the pats also filled their balls up with air from a sauna too. Right? maybe thats it.

  76. All hating aside … does anyone who knows football really believe that balls 0.2 PSI below the minimum used for less than one half of one game made
    any difference or constitutes the penalties imposed by the NFL?

  77. The inability for haters to listen and comprehend facts has been astounding for over a year. They keep clinging to the same meaningless sound bites but ignore all the lies, fabrications, counter-evidence, etc. because it doesn’t fit their narrative.

    Whatever….Pats will be back next year in the hunt for another SB. You know it and I know it. So keep making baseless comments if it makes you feel any better.

  78. Each time that Brady or the Patriots’ spin machine makes another statement, they come off as even more guilty.

  79. @footballfanatic – do yourself a favor man and stop commenting on the science. Plenty of experts have come out and said ball deflation cab 100% be attributed to the IGL. Please don’t pretend you know more than these experts – its embarrassing.

  80. tylawspick6 says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:03 PM

    So what is it? did weather deflate the balls or was it b/c the pats ran more plays. So any team that runs 75 plays will have their balls deflate between 1-2psi? THATS what your going with??? LOL. I guess any team who dominates a game has their balls 2 psi low and no quarterback in the HISTORY of the nfl has ever noticed this and never once said “can we check these? i like them full and they seem low”. NEVER once has that happened, but sure- tom just didnt realize his balls were 1-2psi low. I watch Brees on a night show get handed footballs and he said the EXACT psi of each one just by gripping it. These guys know EXACTLY how they want their footballs, but sure, the 15 yr veteran with multiple super bowls just has no idea how his balls should feel hahahahahahaha

  81. footballfanatic says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:36 PM
    flash1287 says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:00 PM

    #1 yes we do know the starting point of the PSI- all were 12.5 except one was 12.6.
    =-

    And we know this how? are we relying on the ever changing memory of Walt Anderson?

  82. dumbaseinstien says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:30 PM

    The Clinton’s would do well if they chose to live in NE…given how many people there are willing to beleive obvious liars.
    ——————-

    Why would they move to Nebraska?

  83. dukeearl says:
    Mar 11, 2016 1:34 PM
    ibelievebrady says:
    Mar 11, 2016 1:30 PM
    The NFL lied to Mort about PSI levels and never corrected it.

    The NFL lied to the Pats in a memo stating PSI levels of Pats and Colts footballs.

    The NFL lied to Kelly Naqui about McNally trying to put an unapproved football into play.

    The NFL lied about the NFLPA wanting to seal the appeal transcript.

    The NFL lied about Brady’s appeal testimony claiming he only spoke to Jastremski about Superbowl prep.

    The NFL lied about Wells investigation being independent.

    The NFL lied about when Kensil & Vincent found out about the “problem” with the footballs.

    The NFL hired Exponent who lied about the science.

    These are all indisputable facts. There are ZERO facts or proof that Brady or anyone else in the Pats organization has lied about anything in regards to Deflategate.
    ****************************
    Actually they have been disputed numbers of times. Saying it isn’t say doesn’t have any more merit than saying it is.
    ========================================

    Actually, no. He is right. There are things people can debate and believe what they want in Deflategate (things we’ll “never know for sure” etc)

    None of the things he listed are one of those things. Those are literally indisputable facts.

  84. dejc421 says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:39 PM

    I dont know how much it helps- personally i think it helps more in cold weather. When full balls get cold they get hard as a rock. Brady finished the season 2-4 in cold games. MAYBE a coincidence, ill give you that. But if he cheated- it was for a reason. In monopoly have u ever stole a $1 bill from the banker? no, b/c its not worth it. A 12psi football hurts Rodgers (he likes 13.5), but from 12.5 down to 12 could help a someone like brady more than we know. Eli prepares his balls for 3 months before they are ready for gameday- its crazy how maticulous they are. So we can say “i wouldnt notice .2 psi” but to the pro’s thats a serious factor.

  85. jag1959 says:
    Mar 11, 2016 2:58 PM
    igornathanhiggers says:
    Mar 11, 2016 1:54 PM
    Still waiting for science to explain why the Colts footballs weren’t under inflated….
    ___________________

    This. This is all you need to know about the mentality of the haters, they haven’t read a damn thing. 3 of 4 Colts balls tested below the permissible threshold, it’s in the Well$ report. The officials ran out of time to test more even though somehow one fat guy in a small bathroom with a sloped floor and not so much as a bench was supposedly able to test and adjust 12 all by himself in 100 seconds. The astounding part of what followed was knowing more had to be low they sent the other 8 of them back out anyway

  86. Broncos*
    Chiefs*
    Falcons*
    Jets*
    Giants*
    Browns*
    Redskins*
    Peyton*
    James Harrison*
    Von Miller*

    All cheaters, but no one cares cause they never win anything ( mostly)

    Patriot Haters look like imbeciles in this whole thing. Even worse than Goodell, Pash, Grigson etc etc

  87. Mo Pro Babble says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:49 PM

    LOL- Walt didnt know which guage- he didnt say he didnt know what PSI’s were read- know the facts before speaking. And at halftime they used both gauges- so if u take the different readings (lets say one was .3 psi less) even if you factored in the lower reading PSI gauge before the game and the higher reading PSI gauge at halftime- STILL 11 of 12 balls are below league rules. And the biggest drop in PSI goes from 2 full psi to 1.6 PSI (Still way more than any colts balls and well below league minimum).

  88. Coming from an Eagles fan for better or worse, this entire thing is blown out of proportion. Brady wins with his balls inflated deflated bottom line…go ahead with all the Brady’s balls jokes. It still sounds funny talking about his balls.
    The reality is that Brady is not the first or last to have his balls manscaped, I mean prepared to his liking. This case is all about the power of the NFL and Rodger Goodell.

  89. So what is it? did weather deflate the balls or was it b/c the pats ran more plays. So any team that runs 75 plays will have their balls deflate between 1-2psi? THATS what your going with??? LOL. I guess any team who dominates a game has their balls 2 psi low and no quarterback in the HISTORY of the nfl has ever noticed this and never once said “can we check these? i like them full and they seem low”. NEVER once has that happened, but sure- tom just didnt realize his balls were 1-2psi low. I watch Brees on a night show get handed footballs and he said the EXACT psi of each one just by gripping it. These guys know EXACTLY how they want their footballs, but sure, the 15 yr veteran with multiple super bowls just has no idea how his balls should feel hahahahahahaha

    _____________________________________

    And the Colts footballs were low as well, so, does that mean Luck did the same thing? or did he just not notice?

  90. yes since theyve been obviously caught cheating red handed by the super smart NFL legal team of scientists they’ll stop winning year in and year out. Brady plays with a deflated ball and that why he’s the GOAT. So he’ll just suck now… The pats will just really suck now that they’ll finally been caught… They won’t win their division again… They won’t go to the afc champ game… Brady will be awful…

  91. infectorman says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:58 PM

    Aaron Hernandez
    Jaelen Strong

    Both broke the law- one for weeed, one for kilin ppl. So they are on the same level? To say an entire offense and every single play they run being tainted is the same as ONE linebacker using PED’s for one game is ludacris. And nice how u put Peyton on there even tho there has been no investigation to say either way- your ignorance is a shining example for all pats fans to follow! “its is better to remain silent and let ppl think your dumb than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”.

  92. A wise man once said, believing oneself to be perfect is the sign a delusional mind.

    The Patriots, and their fans, think they are perfect…

  93. So a text 7 months before a game is damning evidence but we just take Peyton at his word when HGH is delivered to his house and he says it was his wife’s. And while I think claiming deflator as a weight loss term is a somewhat dubious claim in this instance at least I’ve heard it used in that context before.

  94. footballfanatic says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:55 PM
    dejc421 says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:39 PM

    I dont know how much it helps- personally i think it helps more in cold weather. When full balls get cold they get hard as a rock.

    This proves to and beyond the exclusion of reasonable doubt that you are wrong. Are footballs somehow magical as compared to other inflated balls? Does pigskin or leather have special qualities that causes it to become hard as a rock while all other inflatable balls get softer in cold weather? Have multiple institutions of higher learning, MIT included all lost their credibility?

    Just stop, please. the refusal to accept reality is breathtaking.

  95. lanflfan says:
    Mar 11, 2016 4:09 PM
    A wise man once said, believing oneself to be perfect is the sign a delusional mind.

    The Patriots, and their fans, think they are perfect…

    Not perfect, just excellent.

  96. Why even joke about blowin it up like a watermelon if its not a real thing that he likes them extremely low? If he just liked then within the league average then there would be no joke about over-inflating them. COMMON SENSE

  97. Complete and utter garbage believed by fan bases that don’t care to learn the truth.

    “cheaters” is much easier to type than to actually read the Wells Report and learn the facts of the case.

    Being objective and wanting to know the truth rather than judging DeflateGate through a lens of hate and fake media reports that have long since been disproven has obviously been the preferred road to take.,

    …and that will never change…

  98. footballfanatic says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:59 PM
    Mo Pro Babble says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:49 PM

    LOL- Walt didnt know which guage- he didnt say he didnt know what PSI’s were read- know the facts before speaking. And at halftime they used both gauges- so if u take the different readings (lets say one was .3 psi less) even if you factored in the lower reading PSI gauge before the game and the higher reading PSI gauge at halftime- STILL 11 of 12 balls are below league rules. And the biggest drop in PSI goes from 2 full psi to 1.6 PSI (Still way more than any colts balls and well below league minimum).

    The NFL both believed and disbelieved Andersons memory depending on which portion of the story we’re discussing. We can go line by line through the whole affair if you like But since you seem to have answers, please explain the D’Qwell Jackson lie. I’ll wait.

  99. stealthjunk says:
    Mar 11, 2016 1:35 PM

    I just zoomed right to the part about the “Deflator.” Sure enough, the Pats no longer try to lie about that being a term he used because he was trying to lose weight. Instead, they try to argue “Yeah, well, he only used the name ‘Deflator’ one time! That proves he wasn’t deflating footballs!”

    That’s all I need to know about this comical attempt to summarize the facts one year later.
    ______________________________

    And her we have the prime example of how ignorance works. 1 text taken out of context 5 months before the season started is seen as all the proof he needs and he ignores the text from the actual football season and after a game 7 months later noting the balls were at 16 psi saying “the refs screwed” undermines the whole notion of a ball deflation scheme. He also ignores all the science and proof of the league’s numerous lies about the situation and Brady.

    When you only use small tidbits spoon fed to you by the league and don’t read all the facts you expose yourself as being as a big a fraud as the Wells report.

  100. footballfanatic says:
    Mar 11, 2016 4:04 PM

    infectorman says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:58 PM

    Aaron Hernandez
    Jaelen Strong

    Both broke the law- one for weeed, one for kilin ppl. So they are on the same level? To say an entire offense and every single play they run being tainted is the same as ONE linebacker using PED’s for one game is ludacris. And nice how u put Peyton on there even tho there has been no investigation to say either way- your ignorance is a shining example for all pats fans to follow! “its is better to remain silent and let ppl think your dumb than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”.
    __________________________________

    And when Berman asked the NFL attorney if they had any evidence against Brady the attorney admitted that they did not.

    Reputable universities have run the lab tests numerous times and found the deflation to be atmospheric.

    The NFL and Goodel have been caught repeatedly in lies about the whole situation.

    You have texts about the refs OVERINFLATING footballs to 16 psi that went ignored by Wells and Goodel.

    With all that in in mind please explain how an entire season of offensive plays was tainted.

  101. footballfanatic says:
    Mar 11, 2016 4:16 PM
    Why even joke about blowin it up like a watermelon if its not a real thing that he likes them extremely low? If he just liked then within the league average then there would be no joke about over-inflating them. COMMON SENSE

    Or it could have just been sarcasm between two friends.
    COMMON SENSE

  102. I see a whole lot of “could, may, and can’t be sure” in there. My only question is whether Bill, or Hillary Clinton wrote those talking points.

  103. footballfanatic says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:55 PM
    dejc421 says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:39 PM

    I dont know how much it helps- personally i think it helps more in cold weather. When full balls get cold they get hard as a rock. Brady finished the season 2-4 in cold games.

    The coldest game in that stretch was 46 degrees. That is downright balmy when you play in NE. That was the Champ Game in Denver, to a pretty good team but sure lets blame the cold even though cold weather would deflate the balls to Brady’s liking…

    not sure why I bother lol

  104. Guilty………all of America knew it when you saw Brady lying at that big press conference. Mark Brunel knows it too. Patriots have been cheating since 2001, everyone knows it except blinded delusional Patriot fans. Brady is a fraud.

  105. sb44champs says: Mar 11, 2016 2:42 PM

    Brady’s phone has been destroyed.
    Spygate tapes have been destroyed.

    A lot of the factual evidence proving Patriots cheated seems to get ‘destroyed’. Although Goodell helped his former BFF Kraft out when he incinerated the Spygate tapes for him lol
    ………….

    LOL yea, after the tapes were shown to the media. Taping was and still is LEGAL. Just can’t do it from the sidelines.

  106. Ask anyone on parole. Doesn’t take much for 2nd time offenders to get tossed back in the clink when you don’t cooperate. Where’s Tammy phone and why did she break it?

  107. C’mon Goodell. Release the football pressures you measured this year. Surely your protocol this year was tighter than the keystone cops measurements taken at the AFCCG, yet you hired Exponent to take those numbers, make questionable assumptions about them, manipulate them and called it science. And yet the numbers you so scrupulously measured this year are either lost or not worthy of analysis.
    Tell the world what the data was, and the procedure used to measure it, and let us all decide. Or are you afraid it will make you look like a boob?

    C’mon haters. Tell me that Goodell’s statement about “no violations” convinces you that temperature doesn’t affect football pressure. Surely you have more self respect than to just let him lie to your face. Have a little integrity.

  108. footballfanatic says:
    Mar 11, 2016 4:16 PM
    Why even joke about blowin it up like a watermelon if its not a real thing that he likes them extremely low? If he just liked then within the league average then there would be no joke about over-inflating them. COMMON SENSE

    …………

    Joke wasn’t a “watermelon” it was a “balloon” and a “rugby” ball. Its obvious in the context that Brady was mad the refs inflated the footballs to 16PSI which is ILLEGAL. Equipment guy was mad Brady snapped at him when it was the refs fault so he was making a joke that he will stop trying to get the footballs at the 12.5 Brady preferred.

  109. What’s funny is people In here using information that is debunked in the piece mentioned in this article as their “evidence” of Patriots cheating.

    They are either too lazy to go read or simply afraid of information that undermines their flawed positions.

  110. willycents says:
    Mar 11, 2016 1:30 PM
    Sadly, with as many “cheating” scandals that have been alleged against the patriots in the Belichek/Brady era, there is virtually nothing they can do to get the stench of cheating erased from the majority public image of the team and its players.
    ———————————————————-
    sadly, those harping on the “many” cheating scandals are those who are so aware of what’s going on that they cannot even spell the person’s name correctly.

  111. beachsidejames says:
    Mar 11, 2016 2:52 Climate change..not really. Still nice and cold in New England most of the time. The Dolphins have made two playoff appearances in the last 15 years. Lost both games and scored a total of 12 points. I can understand your frustration. And I can thoroughly enjoy it. Florida is a nice place to visit…………that’s about it.

  112. footballfanatic says: Mar 11, 2016 2:55 PM

    Two big issues here: #1 both gauges were used on both teams balls and we all know the patriots balls dropped considerably more than the colts balls- why? and #2 lets say “ideal gas law” was proved, all the colts balls dropped at around the same amt and all finished within .4 psi of eachother at halftime. The patriots balls had a variance of 1.4psi from the fullest one to the most deflated. If weather deflates balls- they would all drop at around the same rate (give or take just a little- not not a full 1.4 difference), they were all in the same weather conditions and all being used. That just does not make sense.

    …………………..

    The were not “under the same weather conditions” Pats footballs were wetter than Colts balls which were stored in a plastic bag. Pats balls were also colder because they were measure first and had just gone from a 46degree field to a 72degree ref room. Every second that ticks by changeed the balls temperature because of the temperature difference.

  113. footballfanatic says: Mar 11, 2016 4:16 PM

    Why even joke about blowin it up like a watermelon if its not a real thing that he likes them extremely low? If he just liked then within the league average then there would be no joke about over-inflating them. COMMON SENSE
    ______________________________
    I’ve read enough posts from you to know that you don’t care about facts, but for the benefit of others: Brady got pissed at McNally (who he mistakenly refered to as “burt” instead of his nickname “bird”) because the ball in the Jets game was way, way, way overinflated by the officials. That’s why. He was pissed at the way Brady treated him. Is it unreasonable for him to assume that Brady did not want the balls inflated to 16 psi?

  114. The Pats need to give up on the Wells report. It’s too easy to pick on, anyway.

    The Pats problem is with the simple fact that the balls were hidden from official scrutiny before the game. The Pats position should be “we fired our ball boy, we hope the referee is not mixed up in this.”

    It’s that simple. Tom’s reason for destroying his phone:”Some of Giselle’s personal info was on that phone, I wasn’t going to give it to Roger Goodell.”

    The fact that the Pats allowed the team to get punished makes it look like they are run by an NFL owner.

  115. Im from cleveland and our teams sucks bad i hate the patriots the reason is cause no matter what they seem to b in the mix every year but this is bogus godell is a piece of crap he knows they aint had nothing on them he got caught lying over and over so he has to do something to look better.The whole thing is that even if he suspends brady now he still will b crap i dont even know y he wants to keep pushing this dumb theory on people everyone has to accept that even if he suspends him for four game the patriots still will b in the superbowl or in the afc championship GODELL IS A F….. LOOSER

  116. tic says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:36 PM
    flash1287 says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:00 PM

    #1 yes we do know the starting point of the PSI- all were 12.5 except one was 12.6.
    #2 being in a locker room for 10 minutes does NOT mean a full extra 1 psi air pressure drop. Let me guess- the pats also filled their balls up with air from a sauna too. Right? maybe thats it.

    3 6
    Report comment

    ————————-

    Wrong. Wells report states that all of the colt balls were inflated to 13 psi. Don’t worry though, you’re wrong most of the time so you should be used to it

  117. footballfanatic says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:59 PM
    Mo Pro Babble says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:49 PM

    LOL- Walt didnt know which guage- he didnt say he didnt know what PSI’s were read- know the facts before speaking. And at halftime they used both gauges- so if u take the different readings (lets say one was .3 psi less) even if you factored in the lower reading PSI gauge before the game and the higher reading PSI gauge at halftime- STILL 11 of 12 balls are below league rules. And the biggest drop in PSI goes from 2 full psi to 1.6 PSI (Still way more than any colts balls and well below league minimum).

    The NFL both believed and disbelieved Andersons memory depending on which portion of the story we’re discussing. We can go line by line through the whole affair if you like But since you seem to have answers, please explain the D’Qwell Jackson lie. I’ll wait.


    Still waiting,

    nothing huh?

  118. infectorman — Last I heard the Broncos, Jets, Giants, Chiefs, Redskins, Peyton, James Harrison and Von Miller all had at least one Super Bowl ring, with several of them having multiple rings. Better try another approach.

  119. Floks, we can talk science, texts, cell phones, Doritos, Deflators till the cows come home.

    Until someone can explain the D’Qwell Jackson lie the only proof anyone has of anything is that the Colts lied.

    double dare anyone to explain this. Until you do, anyone with any sense at all knows this was and continues to be a big fat lie.

    Prove me wrong, dare you.

  120. lanflfan says:
    Mar 11, 2016 4:09 PM
    A wise man once said, believing oneself to be perfect is the sign a delusional mind.

    The Patriots, and their fans, think they are perfect…

    ———————————————————–

    They absolutely dont think that. In New England anything short of winning the Super Bowl is considered a losing season.

  121. I think it’s funny that pats fans think that anyone that thinks they’re guilty (which is most people), think they’re hated cuz they win so much. We don’t hate the pats cuz of that. IT’S THE CHEATING AND THE FACT YOU GET CAUGHT!! We all know that a little this and a little that go on and whatever in sports. But blatant cheating and arrogance is what will get you beat down in this country. Deal with it and the *’s that most people look at your team with. Geez there is even an * on the helmets!

  122. lanflfan says:
    Mar 11, 2016 4:09 PM

    A wise man once said, believing oneself to be perfect is the sign a delusional mind.

    The Patriots, and their fans, think they are perfect…
    ————————–

    Source?

  123. joec44 says:
    Mar 11, 2016 5:03 PM

    I think it’s funny that pats fans think that anyone that thinks they’re guilty (which is most people), think they’re hated cuz they win so much. We don’t hate the pats cuz of that. IT’S THE CHEATING AND THE FACT YOU GET CAUGHT!! We all know that a little this and a little that go on and whatever in sports. But blatant cheating and arrogance is what will get you beat down in this country. Deal with it and the *’s that most people look at your team with. Geez there is even an * on the helmets!
    —————————–

    THE PATRIOTS HAVE NEVER BEEN CAUGHT CHEATING!!

  124. joec44 says: Mar 11, 2016 5:03 PM

    I think it’s funny that pats fans think that anyone that thinks they’re guilty (which is most people), think they’re hated cuz they win so much. We don’t hate the pats cuz of that. IT’S THE CHEATING AND THE FACT YOU GET CAUGHT!! We all know that a little this and a little that go on and whatever in sports. But blatant cheating and arrogance is what will get you beat down in this country. Deal with it and the *’s that most people look at your team with. Geez there is even an * on the helmets!
    ___________________________
    Just to clarify: Do you believe that NFL and Goodell have been telling you the truth? Really?

  125. I’m just pleased as punch that I’ve discovered a way to shut up Hateroids. Ask them to explain the D’Qwell Jackson lie. Crickets. They’re all in your face until asked to explain the lie that started it all. Then they vanish. So satisfying 🙂

  126. The sad thing is that we even care about this. The officials touch the ball on every play. Just squeeze it and if it is soft then replace it. No need for air pressure gauges. Look at the ball test in the NBA. That’s logical. Having officials using air gauges is turning the sport into a joke. It’s a game, try to keep the spirit of a game so kids maybe want to play it and it doesn’t just die.

  127. @tylawspick6
    Before you start calling people uneducated, you may want to brush up on your reading skills. Everything you mentioned has absolutely nothing to do with my point, nor did I mention or imply any of it.

    Regardless if your 100% innocent and all the evidence supports you, the fact is, if you destroy something while under investigation it looks suspicious. Period. It is not a sign of guilt or innocence….just suspicious.

  128. Aside from trying to get a rise from us super sensitive fans, I don’t understand why anybody thinks anything happened to the footballs. Just think for a moment. The footballs deflated because of the temp and moisture, so what, a pound or pound and a half is what the science says. So then answer this, how much was the ball boy supposed to deflate? Say one and a half pounds? Why go to the trouble for less, right? So the balls should have been THREE pounds under??? None of this makes any sense. NOTHING HAPPENED!!! Can’t anybody get that?

  129. Doesn’t everyone trying to lose weight call themselves “the deflator?”
    ———————-
    Back in December, Men’s Health Magazine sent out a tweet stating “Deflate your spare tire in no time.” This statement was accompanied by a picture of a man exercising with a kettle bell.

    There was no actual tire in the picture. Even if there was, you wouldn’t be able to remove air from it using a kettle bell.

    So, either the people at Men’s Health are insane and tweet out nonsense or “deflate your spare tire” is a figure of speech relating to weight loss.

  130. Patriots organization has already been sentenced for their transgressions. One million dollars and the forfeiture of their 2016 first round draft pick. If they were innocent, the owner fights that. Only issue is whether the player in question was involved. Reading the tea leaves from the judges comments suggests the player is about to serve the sentence that was originally imposed on him as well.

  131. angelwilder666 says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:28 PM

    Actually, McNally’s nickname is Bird.
    ———————–

    Exactly. The Patriots haters must believe McNally is a member of a large, intelligent birdman race that lives among us.

  132. johnwaldron8 says:
    Mar 11, 2016 7:16 PM

    Doesn’t everyone trying to lose weight call themselves “the deflator?”
    ———————-
    Back in December, Men’s Health Magazine sent out a tweet stating “Deflate your spare tire in no time.” This statement was accompanied by a picture of a man exercising with a kettle bell.

    There was no actual tire in the picture. Even if there was, you wouldn’t be able to remove air from it using a kettle bell.

    So, either the people at Men’s Health are insane and tweet out nonsense or “deflate your spare tire” is a figure of speech relating to weight loss.
    —————————-

    The NFL itself used the word deflate in reference to weight loss in a video that is on the NFL Network website.

  133. mmack66 says: Mar 11, 2016 5:29 PM

    joec44 says:
    Mar 11, 2016 5:03 PM

    I think it’s funny that pats fans think that anyone that thinks they’re guilty (which is most people), think they’re hated cuz they win so much. We don’t hate the pats cuz of that. IT’S THE CHEATING AND THE FACT YOU GET CAUGHT!! We all know that a little this and a little that go on and whatever in sports. But blatant cheating and arrogance is what will get you beat down in this country. Deal with it and the *’s that most people look at your team with. Geez there is even an * on the helmets!
    —————————–

    THE PATRIOTS HAVE NEVER BEEN CAUGHT CHEATING!!

    ———————————————————

    Are you familiar with the term ‘forfeit’? If you are, perhaps you can explain why New England forfeited the #31 pick in the 2016 Draft and their 4th Round pick in the 2017 Draft?

  134. sb44champs says:
    Mar 11, 2016 2:42 PM
    Brady’s phone has been destroyed.
    Spygate tapes have been destroyed.

    A lot of the factual evidence proving Patriots cheated seems to get ‘destroyed’. Although Goodell helped his former BFF Kraft out when he incinerated the Spygate tapes for him lol
    =========================================
    In the Boston papers, the article that came out after the phone destruction headlines stated that Brady said that he dropped his phone and it broke. Millions of people do this every year. When he normally goes from one phone to another, he has the old phone wiped to avoid the TMZ’s of the world getting pictures/etc. that are private. How do you wipe a broken phone? If you’re not an electronics expert, you physically destroy the memory so that nothing can be recovered. Brady gave the broken phone to his assistant who destroyed it. Dumped in a lake??????? Try reading what’s available. Brady went shopping after this happened and bought a new Apple phone. So, older phone intact? I’ve covered that. Broken phone destroyed? I’ve covered that.
    Spygate tapes destroyed? Try googling Jay Glazer (Fox Sports) and spygate tapes. OOPS, another problem for the conspiracy trolls. He’s still got a copy or two.

    Everybody talks about deflating footballs in a bathroom in 90 seconds. The ideal gas law explains most of the pressure drop in that game. The Wells report also accepts that the ideal gas law caused most of the deflation. So, if you don’t believe the science, you’re against the Patriots and the NFL!!! The majority of the Patriots halftime reduction in pressure was caused by the temperature drop. They came right in line with the theoretical IGL calculations. A minority were a few tenths of a psi under the IGL calculations.(found in the Wells report) The NFL’s science didn’t explore the fact that it was raining on the field during that game. Rain on leather softens and slightly expands the balls. That causes a small decrease in psi in the balls. Many independent lab tests verifies that.(see Youtube) That covers all the pressure lost. As an aside – if water gets onto leather it softens it. What happens to wet leather when it gets below freezing? Yup, the footballs get a hard surface, not dependent on the pressure. Test it for yourself. Water – Ice – Hard

    Back to the bathroom. If the majority of the footballs deflated naturally to what was measured at halftime (IDL) how did anybody take any air out of the footballs? IF someone did that, the pressure measured would have been lower than what was found. So, please, both sides stop saying that anybody deflated 12 balls in 90 seconds. That’s a lie that both the Patriots and the NFL agree on.

  135. @joedirte:

    Here’s the best reason I’ve found for why Kraft and New England can’t go after the NFL:

    The Patriots are members of a franchise of leagues and are contractually bound to follow the NFL’s constitution and other legal instruments. The NFL’s constitution makes clear teams can’t take their grievances to court and that any attempt to do so would likely be futile. Like the other 31 NFL ownership groups, Kraft has agreed to abide by the Constitution and assented to not sue the league or other owners.

    If Kraft determines that he has exhausted any internal appeals, he could attempt to take the matter to court. If a lawsuit advanced past a motion to dismiss, Kraft could force Goodell, Vincent and others to testify under oath. The same, though, would be true for Kraft, Brady(who already has testified Under Oath), and Bill Belichick, among other Patriots employees.”

    At this point, it is very clear that Kraft regrets the path he took in May.

    I am not a Patriots fan, but I don’t see how the NFL can keep those draft picks and money after the NFL and Goodell have been lying not only to the media but even to the court itself…IMO, it’s just wrong what the NFL has done and is still doing.

  136. Still looking for acceptance 🙂 🙂 🙂

    Defending the Wall

    Wellsreportcontext written by Patriots legal counsel …….just try to sue your Buddy, come on Kraft…….you’ll get the LA Clipper owner treatment

    When are they gonna stop? They are serial cheaters…..bigger than white sox scandal

    Take your punishment and go home…..biggest whiniest people on earth

    Insufferable fans…all wannabe attorneys and scientists

    How bout some humility and apologies

  137. stealthjunk says:
    Mar 11, 2016 1:35 PM
    I just zoomed right to the part about the “Deflator.” Sure enough, the Pats no longer try to lie about that being a term he used because he was trying to lose weight. Instead, they try to argue “Yeah, well, he only used the name ‘Deflator’ one time! That proves he wasn’t deflating footballs!”

    That’s all I need to know about this comical attempt to summarize the facts one year later.
    =================
    Thousands of texts and countless hours of testimony and the ONLY shred of evidence to suggest a conspiracy to deflate footballs is the deflator text between McNally and Jastremski. A conspiracy that (1) assumes Brady was involved based solely on a missing phone that supposedly corroborates that and (2) exists only for home games where they have direct control over the footballs.

    The fact the NFL decided what gauge Anderson used (despite blatantly obvious physical differences and the recollection of a referee who has been gauging footballs for 20 years) and for very obvious reasons fail to understand kindergarten level science (and the empirical methods of collecting that data) was all I needed to know about this farce.

  138. mattwalshvideo says:
    Mar 11, 2016 1:49 PM
    The Deflatriots are the OJ Simpson of the NFL.

    Who us? What phone? The deflator was just trying to lose weight. Bring in the Science guys, who cares that out ballboy stole the balls and took them into a bathroom with no toilet.

    A comedy of circumstance.
    ==========
    Sigh – once again, a bathroom without a toilet isn’t a bathroom. There is literally no bathroom in Gillette without a toilet. It’s ridiculous to even suggest it and proves you aren’t really digesting the facts.

  139. Just wondering, why didn’t either of the 2 employees get their jobs back?

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    They did get their jobs back. You seem out of the loop. The nfl approved it too. The nfl said it was a requirement that they approve it when they told the Patriots they had to be suspended.

    Please try again.

  140. Please let me know what part of this quote from Wells is confusing you. I can help walk you through it.

    -Ted Wells, 5/12/15:
    And I want to be crystal clear. I told Mr. Brady and his agents, I was willing not to take possession of the phone. I said, “I don’t want to see any private information.” I said, “Keep the phone. You and the agent, Mr. Yee, you can look at the phone. You give me documents that are responsive to this investigation and I will take your word that you have given me what’s responsive.”

  141. stealthjunk says:
    Mar 11, 2016 2:01 PM
    More comedy from the Pats: “Myth #14: Tom Brady’s decision not to retain his phone reflects his guilt.”
    =========================
    You must have missed this part …

    As part of his appeal, Mr. Brady actually provided the League with far more information about his texts than had been provided during the Wells investigation. The League could have gone to others with whom Mr. Brady texted (he provided a complete list) to ascertain the content of any other texts that they were curious about.

    The irony is the NFL did nothing with them AND planted the seed that somehow this missing phone corroborated a conspiracy to deflate footballs. Despite any texts or surrounding testimony to suggest that might be the case. Brady provided the league with the very evidence they needed to corroborate their myth.

  142. ( . Y . ) says:
    Mar 11, 2016 2:04 PM
    The opinion of Patriots haters:

    Independent scientists from the best institutions in the country cant be believed. The NFL, who has been caught lying repeatedly in the Roger Goodell era is a pillar of integrity…this time.
    ==================
    Exactly! Despite not being trustworthy during spygate according to these same people.

  143. It’s clear from the hater’s comments that most didnt bother to read the article from the Pat’s attorney (or any critiques of the Wells report – or most of the Wells report itself for that matter).

    They should realize that it is painfully obvious when their opinions are born of ignorance and blind jealousy. They should realize that what they say is more of a reflection on them than anything else and it’s not pretty.

  144. Just wondering, why didn’t either of the 2 employees get their jobs back?

    ———————————————

    They did get their jobs back. You seem out of the loop. The nfl approved it too. The nfl said it was a requirement that they approve it when they told the Patriots they had to be suspended.

    Please try again.
    __________________
    Being reinstated and getting your job back is not the same thing. I’m certainly not out of the loop, please tell me how you know that they got their jobs back. They have not been seen all season

  145. sb44champs says:
    Mar 11, 2016 2:26 PM
    …..Parker went on to say that Brady’s explanation that he routinely destroys his phone “made no sense whatsoever.” Federal court reporter Max Stendahl of Law360 tweeted throughout the hearing and noted that Judge Denny Chin called evidence “compelling, if not overwhelming.”
    ==========================
    Not too surprising to be honest. What’s remarkable is Berman not coming to the same conclusion since most of the record are facts presented by the arbiter. Even those facts will prove notice wasn’t provided and Berman weighed judgment on that.

  146. Yourteamcheatstoo.com
    Wellsreportcontext.com
    GoodellMustGo.com

    Feel good sites for Pats fans to go to.
    And good news for you, these sites aren’t going anywhere .
    So for the rest of all our lives you can always visit them if
    bantering back and forth on message boards gets old for you.

    Quite the legacy Brady has earned for himself.
    Enjoy the boos Tommy boy.

  147. footballfanatic says:
    Mar 11, 2016 2:55 PM
    Two big issues here: #1 both gauges were used on both teams balls and we all know the patriots balls dropped considerably more than the colts balls- why? and #2 lets say “ideal gas law” was proved, all the colts balls dropped at around the same amt and all finished within .4 psi of eachother at halftime. The patriots balls had a variance of 1.4psi from the fullest one to the most deflated. If weather deflates balls- they would all drop at around the same rate (give or take just a little- not not a full 1.4 difference), they were all in the same weather conditions and all being used. That just does not make sense.
    ========================
    Follow the link – your assumption about dropping around the same rate needs some re-evaluation.

  148. guadalahonky says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:16 PM
    Nice spin suggesting it isn’t because Judge Barring Parker asked ‘why couldn’t the commissioner suspend Mr. Brady for that conduct alone’?

    ‘This went from air in a football to affecting an investigation,’ Parker said. ‘Brady’s explanation of this made no sense whatsoever.’

    That’s the sticking point for the judges in this appeal: phone tampering. So, keep downplaying destroying evidence in an ongoing investigation as a non-issue.
    ===================
    Except it’s not improper. The fact of the matter is that phone could have intentionally hit a wood chipper and the NFL would STILL need to provide notice that the destruction of that phone could result in a penalty. BFavre paved that road well before Brady.

  149. footballfanatic says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:34 PM
    Oh the pats ran more plays? did they run TRIPLE the plays the colts did? b/c thats how much more their ball were deflated. What do you mean more plays? wasnt it the weather that deflated them?!?!?! And ur prob one of the idiots saying gronk spiking the ball caused the loss of air. Doesnt matter if you run 1 play or 20- both balls will be at the SAME psi- do your math buddy, cuz so far you havent made any sense.
    ======================
    Or maybe it was the plastic bag the Colts balls were in 15 mins before the half and 15 mins during the half. I suppose you’d like to have every Pats fan (and everybody with a basic understanding of science) believe that has no relevance at all?

  150. footballfanatic says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:36 PM
    #1 yes we do know the starting point of the PSI- all were 12.5 except one was 12.6.
    ================
    Actually no we don’t. Those numbers were manufactured by the NFL. Seriously, measure 40 footballs and wait 24+ hours and tell everybody reading this that you can recall (1) which football has what reading and (2) to the tenth of a PSI.

    Give me a break already.

  151. footballfanatic says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:55 PM
    I dont know how much it helps- personally i think it helps more in cold weather. When full balls get cold they get hard as a rock. Brady finished the season 2-4 in cold games. MAYBE a coincidence, ill give you that. But if he cheated- it was for a reason. In monopoly have u ever stole a $1 bill from the banker? no, b/c its not worth it. A 12psi football hurts Rodgers (he likes 13.5), but from 12.5 down to 12 could help a someone like brady more than we know. Eli prepares his balls for 3 months before they are ready for gameday- its crazy how maticulous they are. So we can say “i wouldnt notice .2 psi” but to the pro’s thats a serious factor.
    =============================
    I would think there needs to be a measure of where those cold games were played, no? This supposed conspiracy only exists for home games where they have direct access to the footballs AFTER the refs gauge them. Remember, only the home team brings the footballs to the field after the refs gauge them. Any attempt to deflate the balls prior to an away game would be caught by the refs while checking PSI levels.

  152. footballfanatic says:
    Mar 11, 2016 3:59 PM
    LOL- Walt didnt know which guage- he didnt say he didnt know what PSI’s were read- know the facts before speaking. And at halftime they used both gauges- so if u take the different readings (lets say one was .3 psi less) even if you factored in the lower reading PSI gauge before the game and the higher reading PSI gauge at halftime- STILL 11 of 12 balls are below league rules. And the biggest drop in PSI goes from 2 full psi to 1.6 PSI (Still way more than any colts balls and well below league minimum).
    ===================
    I think we can ask the same for you re: facts. Like knowing that Walt Anderson recalled the gauge. It was the NFL after the fact that ran with the supposed doubt Anderson never initially claimed to have. Make no mistake, that gauge can and does explain that full 2 PSI variance you keep harping on. “how-i-trashed-wells-report-from-swan” in any search engine walks you though it all.

  153. Why was this ever a topic of conversation? Why would deflated footballs matter, seriously? I am no Pats fan, but the Colts were completely run over by NE, it was a total blowout. It had absolutely nothing to do with deflated footballs.

    This was just like the Saints bounty gate. Goodell had no proof with that either and ended up looking very stupid afterwards.

  154. The NFL wont release air pressure #’s they measured this season because the science would clearly prove them wrong…. but I dont know why the Pats wouldn`t do it themselves.

    Every home game in cold weather take 12 official game balls…. measure them on camera and bring them out in the cold. keep a camera on them at all times and measure them on camera at halftime. Show it on the jumbotron.

    DO IT EVERY GAME AT GILLETTE

    It would absolutely work … and it would make the NFL look foolish as well as give some documented numbers for Brady to use in his appeal

  155. Again, why are the 2 employees involved not part of the team anymore?? Please give me some actual FACTS as to why you may think they are, and saying they got reinstated means nothing.

  156. The Patriot Hater Credo—Updated:

    We, the indoctrinated, the sheep, the gullible masses of the other 31, do solemnly swear to uphold all that Fraudger Goofdell says as true, unimpeachable and as the Gospel of the 345 Madison Avenue. We believe in Pash, Grigson, Wells and Kensil as perfect beings in our football Fantasy Land in which we reside blindly and contently forevermore. They are the bringers forth of the Holy Excuse, the basis upon which we rest easy at night in serene contentment, knowing NE is not a modern Dynasty, but a den of lies and cheaters. We raise up the sacred pentagon of Goodell, Pash, Kensil, Grisgon and Wells as omnipotent and faultless, more pure than light itself, representing all that is true, wholesome and clean in our NFL fantasy Land.
    We accept not another squad as superior to our own, thus we rely on the almighty Fraudger and his henchmen to sooth our pummeled, wretched Football souls with stories of PSI and conspiracies.
    We reject science, logic, truth, objectivity and endeavor to perpetually scorn any NE homer with outrageous positions, theories, fantasies and lies, stretched and reached limitlessly to advance our quest to please Fraudger and deny reality at all costs. We chastise the homers and dismiss any evidence to the contrary of our credo.
    In the name of Fraudger, The NFL offices and the other 31, Amen

  157. Again, why are the 2 employees involved not part of the team anymore?? Please give me some actual FACTS as to why you may think they are, and saying they got reinstated means nothing.

    ———————————————————

    What? Thus is nonsensical. They have been reinstated so they are part of the team again.

    McNally is only a part time locker room grunt who only shows up on the day of games (8 days a year plus maybe a playoff or two). That’s the extent of his job with the Patriots. He is not involved with the team till the season starts.

    btw, when McNally referred to himself as the “deflator”, it was in the middle of last year’s 6 month off season period for him when he had no involvement with the team, a full year before the Wells report came out, 8 months before the deflategate game. i.e. it was in the middle of his real life/real job outside of the Patriots months before he would be involved with the Patriots again. There was no context around that reference (texts, emails, otherwise) that had anything to do with the Patriots, footballs, psi, or the nfl – none, nada, zippo. It was the only time the term the deflator was used in the thousands and thousands and thousands of texts and emails that Wells went through on the 5 Patriot company cell phones that Wells looked at. No one else ever (as in never, as in not ever) referred to McNally in that manner.

    For Wells to use that reference many times in the Wells report is a clear red flag that Wells was in desperation mode trying to come up with evidence to support the conclusion they were tasked with finding by the nfl.

    For the nfl to blatantly lie straight to the faces of the 3 federal judges by claiming McNally repeatedly referred to himself as that despite the absence of any evidence of the kind, is either total arrogance or complete stupidity on the part of the nfl. Either way, it is clear dishonesty trumps integrity with the nfl.

  158. When the two employees were allowed to return to the team the NFL ok’d it with the stipulation that neither one could handle the game day footballs. They were reassigned to other jobs at Gillette.

  159. What’s funny is people In here using information that is debunked in the piece mentioned in this article as their “evidence” of Patriots cheating.

    They are either too lazy to go read or simply afraid of information that undermines their flawed positions.

    ————————————————————

    Absolutely true – Over and over they make the same claims that have been debunked. It is clear they dont bother reading anything they just continue to cling to that which they so want to be true.

    The nfl lied to the media, they lied to the Patriots, Goodell got caught lying about Brady’s testimony, Wells used fraud and deceit in the report to try to show guilt regardless of what the data said and despite the fact that many qualified people have shown the weather accounted for all psi levels, and now the nfl blatantly and completely lied straight to the faces of 3 federal judges. Really? At what point does a rational person say the goofballs at the head of the nfl (Goodell et. al.) are dishonest and cant be trusted.

    Deflategate has been debunked. No rational person that has looked at all the evidence can not decide that the story of deflategate is about the behavior of the nfl, not the behavior of the Patriots.

    Only those that dont bother reading the details or the willfully ignorant who so want the Patriots to be guilty that they ignore all information that doesnt support their psychological needs can continue to re-post the same things over and over that have been debunked time and again.

    It’s getting comical, I can see the dead enders that really really really want the Patriots and Brady to be guilty closing their eyes and sticking their fingers in their ears screaming “cheaters”, “cheaters”, “cheaters”, …

  160. Once again, what is your proof that they are back with the team, or even reassigned at the stadium?? The reality is that they never got the jobs back. If you have some sort of proof that they actually are working, feel free to explain it. They did not work last season in any capacity, and are not working now

  161. Another day without an explanation of the D’Qwell Jackson Lie. To the low life who brought OJ into this, THAT’S the bloody glove in all of this. If anyone in this sorry drama is OJ, it’s someone who works on Park Ave.

    Why are people hung up on texts, nicknames, tales of delfation by persons other than Colts sideline staff. There is only one team that has been proven to and admitted to putting a needle in a football on the sidelines. Only one. And there was no fine, no penalty whatsoever for a clear violation of NFL rules.

    But keep saying NE cheats if you want to continue to appear clueless. We like that here in NE.

  162. Nothing inappropriate about communications between Brady and the ball boys….

    Nothing unusual about Brady destroying his phone….

    As Deion Sanders would say “COME ON MAAAAAN?!?!!”

  163. fireroger says:
    Mar 11, 2016 9:55 PM

    As part of his appeal, Mr. Brady actually provided the League with far more information about his texts than had been provided during the Wells investigation. The League could have gone to others with whom Mr. Brady texted (he provided a complete list) to ascertain the content of any other texts that they were curious about.
    ========================================
    I supported Brady’s refusal to provide his personal cell phone to the league for privacy reasons. I find it beyond hypocritical to expect that those he texted with would surrender this right and do what Brady refused to do – share the content of their texts with the NFL.

  164. Brady lied about why hw would not turn over his cell phone, or should I say his agent did. Brady also lied why he destroyed it. Brady has lied through out this whole process. The trump card in all of this is, if he was telling the truth. He would have told Wells the truth.

  165. whoisitsite says:
    Mar 12, 2016 10:35 AM
    Once again, what is your proof that they are back with the team, or even reassigned at the stadium?? The reality is that they never got the jobs back. If you have some sort of proof that they actually are working, feel free to explain it. They did not work last season in any capacity, and are not working now
    ==================================
    What do you want, their W-2’s? In an interview on Sept 20, Jonathon Kraft was asked about the 2 employees, he made the comment that he “had not spoken with them since their return”. I would think that they were then.

  166. I supported Brady’s refusal to provide his personal cell phone to the league for privacy reasons. I find it beyond hypocritical to expect that those he texted with would surrender this right and do what Brady refused to do – share the content of their texts with the NFL.
    ——————-
    I think you’re missing the point.

    Hypocritical to expect others to give up their phones/info? OK. But who (other than you) said it was expected? It is more likely that the NE/Brady expectation, just like that for the rest of us (including you), is that it would be a personal choice to give up our phones/info. But, expected them to? I doubt it. It was more likely that NE/Brady were saying “here are the names, go ask them yourself. But, hey, good luck with that”.

  167. limakey is back!! I missed you OK Wells in his report for the millionth time said he needed the info on the phone and not the phone. He got the info and said that the Pats and TB were very cooperative

  168. So an obviously manufactured hatchet job is treated like gospel but the rubes make sure to attack the news source when HGH gets delivered to the Manning residence. I’m sure it’s about integrity not just some childish vendetta against the Patriots. Right……….
    Nothing that happened during the 2014 AFC Championship was worthy of the sanctions imposed on the Patriots or Tom Brady, even if it was 100% intentional. And we still don’t know enough about that to say anything beyond inconclusive.

  169. jld62 says:
    Mar 12, 2016 10:40 AM
    fireroger says:
    Mar 11, 2016 9:55 PM
    I supported Brady’s refusal to provide his personal cell phone to the league for privacy reasons. I find it beyond hypocritical to expect that those he texted with would surrender this right and do what Brady refused to do – share the content of their texts with the NFL.
    ========================================
    The reality is the NFL has no jurisdiction to do so. Which makes the whole phone argument hypocritical. Forget the fact any semblance of precedence (a la BFavre) would show a penalty is in order for obstruction. Not a suspension or life time ban that some would love to purport. Regardless, the logs Brady provided shows who he texted. We never even got far enough to ask for consent of any of those individuals. The NFL chose not to look at them even after asking for that very information. Why do you suppose that is? The missing phone is quite literally the ONLY thing holding the deflation conspiracy theory together. If the NFL actually did something with them and nothing came of it I suspect a things would look a LOT different right now.

  170. Given up on getting back the first round pick? They never attempted to get it back.
    In fact, Kraft said he would abide with whatever punishment the NFL gave them.

  171. footballfanatic says:
    Mar 11, 2016 2:55 PM

    all the colts balls dropped at around the same amt and all finished within .4 psi of eachother at halftime. The patriots balls had a variance of 1.4psi from the fullest one to the most deflated. If weather deflates balls- they would all drop at around the same rate (give or take just a little- not not a full 1.4 difference), they were all in the same weather conditions and all being used. That just does not make sense.
    ___________________________________

    Actually, it does make sense. Since I assume you have an open mind and are intelligent enough to understand why it makes sense, I’m going to explain it.

    The Colt’s game balls were in play for only one of the last 20 plays at the end of the first half … a kneel down with :05 left on the clock. During the other 19 plays, unlike the Patriots’ footballs which were in play and exposed to the elements, the Colts balls were in a ball bag protected from the weather. These 19 play consumed a great deal of time, with the clock stopped for two penalties, four incomplete passes, three time outs, and the two minute warning. After the half ended and the Colts’ balls were taken into the officials’ locker room, it was another ten minutes before the psi of the Colts’ balls was measured. The fact that the Colts’ footballs were in a closed environment (a ball bag) is important. When you put objects with different temperatures in a closed environment, the warmer ones cool off while the temperature of the cooler ones will rise. (Leave them in that environment long enough and all will reach the exact same temperature.) Since the greater the variation in temperature the greater the variation in psi, as the temperature of the Colts’ footballs moved toward equilibrium inside that ball bag, the variation in psi was naturally reduced.

    That’s the first reason it makes sense. The second is the fact that only four of the Colts’ 12 footballs were measured. So, the odds that the football with the highest psi was tested is just one in three or 1/3. The odds that the football with the lowest psi was tested also is 1/3. And the odds that both the football with the highest psi and the football with the lowest psi were tested is one in 9 (1/3 x 1/3). In other words, there is an 89% chance that the variation in all 12 Colts’ footballs was greater than the .4 psi you suggest. (If the officials had stopped measuring the psi of the Patriots’ footballs after the first four, the variation in the Pats’ ball would have been just .8 psi and not 1.4 psi.)

    So, those are two factors that explain the variation is psi between the Colts’ and the Pats’ footballs. I’m sure there are posters who won’t accept any analysis if it explains why the variation in psi levels isn’t suspicious. (If the Colt’s footballs hadn’t shown less variation in psi, that is what would have been truly suspicious!) But there are always some folks who just can’t deal with honest to goodness facts.

  172. Actually, it does make sense. Since I assume you have an open mind and are intelligent enough to understand why it makes sense, I’m going to explain it.
    ==============
    Bad assumption. really bad.

  173. Although one employee was part time, the other had been with the team for over 20 years and was his full time job. Not only is it a little curious but nobody seems to care that they aren’t with the team anymore. There is yet to be definitive proof that they came back, which is probably because they did not get their jobs back.

  174. whoisitsite says:
    Mar 13, 2016 1:21 PM
    Although one employee was part time, the other had been with the team for over 20 years and was his full time job. Not only is it a little curious but nobody seems to care that they aren’t with the team anymore. There is yet to be definitive proof that they came back, which is probably because they did not get their jobs back.

    You can easily google this. They were re-instated upon the Pats request. It is hard to prove they are actually back since they are low level employees. Maybe you can explain what your point is here? Pats asked for their re-reinstatement, NFL granted it…what more do you want and why? If they arent actually working for the Patriots (which they are)that would be either the Patriots choice or their(McNally/Jastremski’s choice(s).
    You are correct they didnt get their prior jobs back, they got assigned other duties

  175. whoisitsite says:
    Mar 13, 2016 1:21 PM
    Although one employee was part time, the other had been with the team for over 20 years and was his full time job. Not only is it a little curious but nobody seems to care that they aren’t with the team anymore. There is yet to be definitive proof that they came back, which is probably because they did not get their jobs back.
    =====================
    What are you talking about?

    The NFL officially reinstated suspended New England Patriots employees John Jastremski and Jim McNally on Wednesday, nearly eight months after their alleged involvement in Deflategate. “Last week, the New England Patriots requested the reinstatement of both John Jastremski and Jim McNally,” the NFL said in a statement. “The Patriots have satisfied the league’s requirements for reinstatement and the league has granted permission for the employees to return.”

    That was from Sept of last year! Not sure what you’re driving at in terms of definitive proof. Did you need the same type of proof to convince yourself they were suspended? Did you witness them getting suspended and no longer coming to work? … ?!?!?!?!?

  176. Dandeman, thanks for the welcome back! Part of punishment for both Pats and Brady was failure to cooperate. And none of the three were found to be credible in their interviews. Sure, they answered questions but what good is that if they were lying and evasive? And, Brady and his agent flat out lied about this. They led everyone to believe that he did not turn over the information asked for because it would be bad precedent. And what was on his cell would would be viewed with suspsion by the NFL. At no time did they ever say they could not provide the information because the phone was destroyed. And Brady later giving the information that he did was not only insulting, as it was meant to be, but also proves he has not integrity. He led everyone to believe he took a players stand. Yet sold them out when he was was going to be punished for it?

  177. Limakey: Wells said he didn’t need Toms phone, DID NOT NEED it. he also said Tom cooperated fully .FULLY.
    Per the CBA he wasn’t required to give his personal phone to Wells.
    So Apple will not grant the federal government access to a known dead terrorist, there were rallies supporting Apples privacy stand. Yet Tom should hand his phone over? Makes perfect sense, NOT.
    Ps: I did not miss you!

  178. Plum, there is no way out of this Brady. He and his agent lied, several times about this. Now, I will give you this, Brady was smart enough to seek legal advice when this whole thing hit the fan. I have no doubt he was told to destroy the phone. I have no problem with him doing this. I do have a problem with his lying about it as well as agent. For misleading people to believe he was taking a moral stance, when in fact he was not. He also refused a union rep at his interview with Wells. He can not use them as his reason to hide behind, but he did. I also have a huge problem with his later turning over useless information, giving the clear statement that he would turn on his union if it meant he would get suspended.

  179. Myth #6 is the one I’ve been encouraging fans to focus on from Day One as it completely illustrates just how much of a Frame job this is

    Anderson is considered to have s the best memory in the world as far as the NFL is concerned at one moment – but has Alzheimer’s the next.

    After failing to write them down, Anderson is later able to recall 48 individual PSI readings down to a 10th of a percentage. An amazing feat of memory that Goodell wants you to take as gospel truth.

    But on the question of which guage Anderson used 48 times that day – one visibly different with a much longer needle – suddenly Goodell wants you to believe that Anderson’s memory failed on that single point.

    You HAVE to believe that if you believe the footballs were deflated.

    Otherwise nothing happened.

  180. Brady lied about why hw would not turn over his cell phone, or should I say his agent did. Brady also lied why he destroyed it. Brady has lied through out this whole process. The trump card in all of this is, if he was telling the truth. He would have told Wells the truth.
    ————————————————————

    Please specify what Brady said that was a lie.

    Wanting Brady to have lied does not mean that Brady lied.

  181. Dandeman, thanks for the welcome back! Part of punishment for both Pats and Brady was failure to cooperate. And none of the three were found to be credible in their interviews. Sure, they answered questions but what good is that if they were lying and evasive? And, Brady and his agent flat out lied about this. They led everyone to believe that he did not turn over the information asked for because it would be bad precedent. And what was on his cell would would be viewed with suspsion by the NFL. At no time did they ever say they could not provide the information because the phone was destroyed. And Brady later giving the information that he did was not only insulting, as it was meant to be, but also proves he has not integrity. He led everyone to believe he took a players stand. Yet sold them out when he was was going to be punished for it?

    ——————————————————-

    My god, you just make up whatever you need to believe Brady was guilty. Please be specific. Here is an example of being specific. If you have trouble with this quote from Wells, let me know I can walk you through it:

    -Ted Wells, 5/12/15:
    And I want to be crystal clear. I told Mr. Brady and his agents, I was willing not to take possession of the phone. I said, “I don’t want to see any private information.” I said, “Keep the phone. You and the agent, Mr. Yee, you can look at the phone. You give me documents that are responsive to this investigation and I will take your word that you have given me what’s responsive.”

  182. Joe, be serious. Even the most ardent supporters of Brady, including the author of this thread agree something did happen. Their focus, which would be the best line for you to take is that is that this was an equipment violation. It does not apply to Brady. And on top that, you have that Brady did not know what the punishment would be. To continue to say that nothing happened is just really a desperate homer grasp at a last straw. Lawyers for Brady even said that if any one believes that the balls were tampered with, JM and JJ acted alone to help Tom. Stop being foolish and face the facts. Science was never going to clear him or convict him. He knew that and took advantage of it.

  183. j0esixpack says:
    Mar 13, 2016 5:53 PM

    Myth #6 is the one I’ve been encouraging fans to focus on from Day One as it completely illustrates just how much of a Frame job this is

    Anderson is considered to have s the best memory in the world as far as the NFL is concerned at one moment – but has Alzheimer’s the next.
    —————–
    Along those lines, I had never heard the possibility of 13 balls being included in the Patriots ball bag instead of 12. “…The Wells Report attributes to Mr. Anderson that it was “certainly possible” there were actually 13 footballs initially put in the primary bag, not the 12 he was responsible to ensure were there.”

    Wells tells us that Anderson can’t be sure which gauge he used and can’t be sure if he put 12 or 13 footballs in a bag, but his memory of everything else is 100% reliable. That’s almost as amazing as people who blindly accept the league’s version of events.

  184. youknowiknowitall says:
    Mar 12, 2016 5:39 PM
    I supported Brady’s refusal to provide his personal cell phone to the league for privacy reasons. I find it beyond hypocritical to expect that those he texted with would surrender this right and do what Brady refused to do – share the content of their texts with the NFL.
    ——————-
    I think you’re missing the point.

    Hypocritical to expect others to give up their phones/info? OK. But who (other than you) said it was expected? It is more likely that the NE/Brady expectation, just like that for the rest of us (including you), is that it would be a personal choice to give up our phones/info. But, expected them to? I doubt it. It was more likely that NE/Brady were saying “here are the names, go ask them yourself. But, hey, good luck with that”.
    ====================================
    Nope. Brady’s agent, Don Yee, stated that “… some of these individuals are NFL-related personnel [including current and former teammates] and that the commissioner has the power to compel a search of their phone to see if they have texts remaining on their phone from Tom.”

  185. This is from the NY Times article by Joe Nocera called “The true Scandal of deflategate lies in the NFL’s behavior”, from January 2016. He is quoting MIT professor & Eagles fan John Leonard.
    ” Leonard told me that if an M.I.T. undergraduate made the kinds of mistakes that Exponent made, “I would force them to repeat the experiment and correct the analysis.” Based on his study of the data, Leonard now says: “I am convinced that no deflation occurred and that the Patriots are innocent. It never happened.”

    He is hardly the only scientist to take that position. As Dan Wetzel pointed out in a recent Yahoo Sports column, scientists at Carnegie Mellon, the University of Chicago, Boston College, Rockefeller University, the University of Illinois and Bowdoin College — and others — have all come to the same conclusion.”
    There was no tampering!!

  186. The 15 myths make up a … Limakey

    “Even the most ardent supporters of Brady, including the author of this thread agree something did happen.”

    Really? Because, while I will acknowledge that something may have happened, reading the bountiful Framegate posts over the last year would seem to confirm that the MOST ardent of Brady supporters clearly believe nothing happened.

    “Lawyers for Brady even said that if any one believes that the balls were tampered with, JM and JJ acted alone to help Tom.”

    I don’t believe this was ever said. We’re going to need a source for this.

    “Science was never going to clear him or convict him. He knew that and took advantage of it.”

    Science could/should have been able to clear/convict. So, to believe he “knew” it never would is either him being stupid or you being just as stupid.

  187. Limakey is having a meltdown over the concept that the Laws of Physics can explain why the footballs were below 12.5 PSI

    He’s really going to blow a microchip when he learns that Science COULD NOT explain it if they were ABOVE 12.5 psi

    Texan fan Stephanie Stradley, Redskins fan and Washington Post reporter Sally Jenkins and Jets fan NYU Professor Robert Blecker all understand this. But Limakey thinks he’s smarter than them

    Unless Limakey is asserting that someone both deflated the footballs and then re-inflated them before halftime to get them EXACTLY where the Laws of Physics said they should be after a cold rainy half, then he’s got an Epic Fail of logic

  188. whoisitsite says:
    Mar 13, 2016 1:21 PM
    Although one employee was part time, the other had been with the team for over 20 years and was his full time job. Not only is it a little curious but nobody seems to care that they aren’t with the team anymore.
    ______________

    Multiple posts and rebuttals on this yet the answer can be found right here at PFT. Simply type: NFL reinstates Pats staffers suspended over Deflategate

    You will see PFT’s own article on their reinstatement from 09/16

  189. It’s hilarious that most of the Hatriots who defend Goodell’s “impartial findings” cite Brady taking what Wells said about not needing his phone literally as proof of guilt

    Do these same fans not realize that FBI agent Robert Mueller wanted Goodell’s phone to see if Goodell knew that Ray Rice hit his wife?

    Goodell refused to give up his phone

    Does that mean Goodell is admitting guilt in the Ray Rice scandal? ;)-

    Damn – the Patriots haters never cease to make me feel intellectually superior.

  190. kind of just a common sense angle that nobody mentions but let’s just say Brady did want his balls below the limit. How much lower? How much is enough to even make a difference? .5 PSI? 1 PSI?

    well the balls would have been that much lower at halftime

    a scheme to take .1 or .2 out?

    or maybe it jwas ust the differences between the gauges?….which makes more sense?

  191. Way to go Roger…15 months later and this is still getting articles and thousands of posts here alone. And tens of thousands of thumbs up and down. Funny that it’s an 8-1 ( or is it 80-1 ?))ratio of obviously Pats fans, who must be getting tired of reading these articles and poring thru all the posts that talk about cheating , asterisks, etc.
    Roger is a joke.
    GoodellMustGo😊.
    He has mis-handled this at most every turn.
    Too bad Kraft made sure the camera near the bathroom Beavis bounced into with the game balls deleted footage every 7-10 days or everyone could have seen Beavis bounce into that same bathroom every home game for past who knows how many seasons.
    Remember that bathroom? The one where he said ” I set the balls down on the ground on the right and used the urinal on the left” Oops-uh Beavis , there is no urinal in there.
    If I was a NE fan I would be pissed at how Roger has handled this whole investigation and that 15 months later there is all this focus on cheating of the franchise.
    GoodellMustGo😊
    On the same hand if I was a NE fan I would be pleased with how Roger handled Spygate when more tapes and evidence were destroyed 4 days after he handed down penalties.
    $1.75 million in fines and loss of 3-4 draft picks is something a lot of teams and their fanbases would trade for four (****) Lombardies.

  192. limakey says:
    Mar 13, 2016 5:53 PM
    Plum, there is no way out of this Brady. He and his agent lied, several times about this. Now, I will give you this, Brady was smart enough to seek legal advice when this whole thing hit the fan. I have no doubt he was told to destroy the phone. I have no problem with him doing this. I do have a problem with his lying about it as well as agent. For misleading people to believe he was taking a moral stance, when in fact he was not. He also refused a union rep at his interview with Wells. He can not use them as his reason to hide behind, but he did. I also have a huge problem with his later turning over useless information, giving the clear statement that he would turn on his union if it meant he would get suspended.
    ===========================
    You have a huge problem with Brady turning over the very information Goodell asked for? Why is that not at all surprising. Since we can’t determine his reasons behind not doing so initially we should dismiss the fact he was actually trying to comply with the request? Better yet we’ll call that information useless even though the absence of that very information is the only thing holding the NFL case together. Seriously, if Brady provided the phone and nothing came of it we’re left with a text and 90 secs of video of a guy that could very well have been taking a whiz.

    Nobody is suggesting Brady (or the Patriots) couldn’t have behaved better. But get off the integrity moral superiority already. We’re dealing with a multi-billion dollar conglomerate with a very low ceiling for burden of proof and a complete absence of being able to legislate even the most basic principle consistently.

  193. Brady detractors refusing to answer the simplest of questions,

    Why did the Colts lie about D’Qwell Jackson? 4 days and counting with not – one – single – explanation. Not even a pathetic one. Nothing, nada, zip.

    The entire Hateroid manifesto hinges on this seminal act. That’s how we learned about this, a lie told, expanded upon by Kravitz, tweeted by Mort the fall guy and swallowed eagerly by Hateroids in a desperate attempt to assuage their feeling of inferiority.

  194. To think Tom Brady has won 4 rings, and has numerous NFL records including postseason wins… and now he’s going to win in court too.

    GOAT.

    This discussion is OVAH.

    🙂

  195. Totally serious question in all seriousness.

    Has Goodell been fired yet? If not what is this league waiting for?

  196. whoisitsite says:
    Mar 13, 2016 1:21 PM
    Although one employee was part time, the other had been with the team for over 20 years and was his full time job. Not only is it a little curious but nobody seems to care that they aren’t with the team anymore. There is yet to be definitive proof that they came back, which is probably because they did not get their jobs back.

    _____

    So, whats your proof they aren’t back to work? Whatcha got to show us?

  197. The author says: “Ted Wells issued his report finding it more likely than not that Tom Brady had schemed with team employees to deflate footballs”

    That is wrong. Wells concludes that Brady was more probably than not at least generally aware of the balls being deflated. It was Goodell at the first internal appeal hearing who escalated the NFL’s position to be that he believed Brady had participated in a scheme.

  198. As a Michigan Wolverine alum (living in NC) I’m of course by default therefore also a Pats fan due to Brady. However, as my wife was born and raised in D.C. we are mainly Redskins fans. That said, it is gratifying to me to see that the OVERWHELMING majority of posters here see through the lying, dastardly Dictator Goodell and his Jet’s NFL HQ staff. MOST of the posts here support Brady and the Pats, and MOST of the INTELLIGENT posters here do recognize the railroad job Goodell and his henchmen are trying to perpetrate onto Brady and the Patriots. This is and has always been much ado about nothing. Not only did a KID PROVE cold weather lowers air pressure in footballs, his science project’s results absolving the Pats were confirmed by a self-admitted Eagles professor at MIT who offered the kid a tour of that superb technical school due to the kid’s excellent study. The NFL is a despicable organization under Goodell. Shame on them…. As for you Brady/Pats haters, you never let the truth interfere with your convictions, do you. Duh.

  199. I love the cute Jetsfan who made the comment about the Patriots employee taking the ball into the bathrooms (probably to urinate), forgetting how 3 years ago the JETS WERE CAUGHT RED HANDED SNEAKING AN ILLEGAL UNDERINFLATED KICKING BALL INTO A GAME and they made the special teams coach the fall guy and there was no investigation, no loss of draft pick no anything except a paltry fine.

  200. ““Yeah, well, he only used the name ‘Deflator’ one time! That proves he wasn’t deflating footballs!” ”

    No, the argument is that the usage of the word in May, completely divorced from any discussion about footballs, doesn’t prove that he’s talking about footballs, and it certainly doesn’t prove that he was talking about cheating.

    Every team has people who inflate and deflate footballs as part of their work. Even if McNally had sent a text saying “I was depressed while I was deflating footballs last weekend” that wouldn’t be evidence of cheating.

    The game the NFL played was this: they would take an ambiguous text message, ask the witness a question, and then conclude with something along the lines of “we didn’t find his response credible”. When you’re empowered to be the sole judge about what is or isn’t “credible” you can do all sorts of things.

    The fact remains that, if there was a season-long scheme to tamper with footballs illegally, there was surprisingly little evidence of it. The NFL had access to every text message from Jastremski’s and McNally’s phones all season long, and there isn’t anything in them regarding football pressures except comments about how they were over-inflated during the Jets game, how that wasn’t McNally’s fault, how the balls were supposed to be inflated to 13.0 psi, and how Brady wanted every referee to be shown the rulebook section about the range of pressures allowed.

    All of that evidence is more consistent with innocence than guilt.

    Is it unlikely that a random person would use “deflate” to refer to weight loss? Sure. Is it more likely if said person works with footballs as part of his job? Yeah, sure. It’s really not an uncommon word to use in that context (the NFL itself put out a video using the word with that meaning a couple years back).

    But if you have a year’s worth of text messages, you’re going to see some unlikely things. If we pored through all of your private communications, I’m sure we’d see some unlikely word usages, too.

    But finally, regardless of what you think about that text message, the best evidence about whether tampering happened on that day is the pressure measurements, and they show no unusual drop in air pressure beyond what one would expect to see in cold, wet weather.

    That’s why the Ideal Gas Law has become the go-to Science Fair experiment for kids around the country. It’s an easy experiment to do and the results are very predictable.

    It’s a shame nobody at the NFL front office knew any science before they decided to pursue a campaign of character assassination.

  201. footballfanatic says:
    Mar 11, 2016 4:16 PM

    Why even joke about blowin it up like a watermelon if its not a real thing that he likes them extremely low? If he just liked then within the league average then there would be no joke about over-inflating them. COMMON SENSE

    Brady was pissed off that the footballs were overinflated. McNally was pissed off that Brady was blaming him. So he was joking about how he would over-inflate them even more.

    “COMMON SENSE” doesn’t view this as evidence that they regularly break the rules to tamper with footballs. Brady likes them lower pressure than average. That doesn’t mean that he’s willing to break the rules to get there. You’re making a logical jump that’s just not supported by any evidence.

  202. footballfanatic says:
    Mar 11, 2016 4:16 PM

    Why even joke about blowin it up like a watermelon if its not a real thing that he likes them extremely low? If he just liked then within the league average then there would be no joke about over-inflating them. COMMON SENSE
    ——————-

    Sounds like you work for the league office, with reasoning like that.

  203. igornathanhiggers says:
    Mar 11, 2016 1:54 PM
    Still waiting for science to explain why the Colts footballs weren’t under inflated….

    Science has been wrong before…
    Common Sense > Science…

    Don’t believe me? Go read any story on this site regarding marijuana. Watch how many scientists claim smoking marijuana is not harmful despite common sense telling us inhaling smoke is harmful.. that’s why you choke when inhaling too much smoke…

    Umm, someone hasnt been paying attention. It is a well knowm fact that 4 of the Colts balls were tested at halftime and 3 of them were below proper PSI. Man, some people just spew BS without checking facts. And I am a Steeler fan

  204. I have seen reports that the Colts balls were and were not under. What is not in dispute is the fact that the Colts balls were checked ONLY after the Pats balls were checked then inflated. This allowed the Colts balls to regain room temp. Also allowed the NFL ONLY enough time to check the 4 balls the Colts submitted and not the other balls that the Colts then could have inserted if they chose.

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