High-end quarterbacks should be clamoring to set the bar higher

Four years ago, when Saints quarterback Drew Brees became the first quarterback with a $20 million annual salary, the salary cap allowed for $120.6 million in spending per year. That meant Brees consumed 1/6th of the full cap by himself.

Under that same standard, Brees should be making $25.87 million this year. While his cap number is $30 million (because the cap numbers in his 2012 deal were backloaded), he’ll earn the final $20 million of his five-year, $100 million deal, absent an extension.

But with quarterbacks at the top of the market not willing or able to become the new “highest paid player” in the game (possibly because one of the best quarterbacks of the past generation consistently refuses to insist on a title he deserves by taking grossly below-market deals), second-tier quarterbacks are now crowding the first-tier market, with franchise and non-franchise quarterbacks alike now crammed into the range of $18 million to $22 million per year.

Less than two weeks ago, Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco set a new high-water mark with a contract that pays out $20.8 million per year from signing, and that also has a record high new-money amount of $22.13 million. Brees, according to agent Tom Condon, will soon commence talks with the Saints that should result in something higher than Flacco’s amounts — especially since by all rights Brees should now be at $25 million per year.

Most believe that the first player to get to that level will be Colts quarterback Andrew Luck, who enters the final year of his rookie deal. But other quarterbacks with years remaining on current deals should be banging on the table for more money in the bank, given the 25 percent growth in the cap since most of the deals were done.

Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who previously held the new-money mark of $22 million per year, will make $11.5 million in base salary this year, plus another $600,000 in per-game roster bonuses and a $500,000 workout bonus. That’s a mere $12.6 million for the player many believe is still the best quarterback in the game.

Sure, Rodgers has four years left on his current deal. But he can persuasively argue that circumstances have changed, dramatically, since he signed his most recent extension.

All other quarterbacks clustered near the top of the market also are under contract through 2019: Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson ($21.9 million in new money); Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger ($21.85 million in new money); Giants quarterback Eli Manning ($21 million in new money); and Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers ($20.812 million in new money).

The deal signed by Panthers quarterback Cam Newton last year pays out $20.76 million in new money, and it runs through 2020. Newton got only a whisker more in new money than Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan, who is signed through 2018 at $20.75 million in new money.

That $10,000 annual difference represents a thin line of demarcation between the first and second tier, and that second tier continues to squeeze up against the top one. Washington quarterback Kirk Cousins will make $19.95 million on a one-year deal. Ryan Tannehill has a new-money average of $19.25 million on a deal that runs through 2020. Texans quarterback Brock Osweiler will earn $18 million per year on a new four-year deal. Eagles quarterback Sam Bradford, despite inaccurate initial reports of $18 million per year that continue to stick, will actually make $17.5 million per year on a two-year contract.

Woven within that cluster of tier-two quarterbacks are a trio of guys who, like some of the ones at the top of the stack, should be having buyer’s remorse, given the spike in the cap. Bears quarterback Jay Cutler is making $18.1 million per year on a deal that runs through 2020. Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo earns $18 million per year on a contract that expires after 2019.

Perhaps of all quarterback, the one who has the best claim for an adjustment is Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford, who is signed through 2017 at a deal that pays out $17.66 million per year.

Meanwhile, Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith ($17 million per year), Cardinals quarterback Carson Palmer ($16.5 million per year through 2018), and Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton ($16 million per year through 2020) have to be wondering whether they’re being fairly compensated.

Then there’s Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, whose latest new contract pays out $14.5 million from signing but who has a new-money average of $17.5 million. And new-money average is perhaps the only thing Brady and Bradford will ever have in common.

Unless more teams become willing to rip up existing deals with three or more years remaining (the Ravens did it with three left, but only because Flacco’s cap number was unwieldy), there’s nothing any of the relatively underpaid quarterbacks can do for now. Unless, of course, they come together and collectively cry foul, perhaps even threatening to boycott offseason workouts until their teams properly adjust their contracts to reflect a spiking of the salary cap that, before the process began with the 2014 league year, multiple owners were saying would never happen.

The problem is that fans and media will have little sympathy for the very rich trying to get very richer, especially when every extra dollar that goes to a quarterback is one less dollar that will be available for the rest of the roster. It’s one of the reasons why, for example, Eli Manning was shouted down from becoming the highest-paid quarterback in the NFL last year, even though a looming franchise tag of $23 million in 2016 based on his 2015 cap number gave him the leverage to do it easily.

So what’s the solution to protect against ongoing spikes in the cap as Luck, Jaguars quarterback Blake Bortles, Raiders quarterback Derek Carr, Vikings quarterback Teddy Bridgewater, Buccaneers quarterback Jameis Winston, and Titans quarterback Marcus Mariota eventually become eligible for new deals? It’s the device PFT suggested earlier this week: Tying compensation to cap percentage.

One league source told PFT in the aftermath of that suggestion that efforts have been made on behalf of at least one quarterback to secure such a term. While it hasn’t happened yet, one quarterback getting that protection could be the first domino in a process that allows all of them to do it.

All except Tom Brady, whose refusal to get every dollar he deserves has helped keep the rubber band being stretched as far as it could be or should be in the quarterback market.

133 responses to “High-end quarterbacks should be clamoring to set the bar higher

  1. I see no problem here. Agents and owners should continue to do exactly what they’re now doing. I don’t care who makes what percentage of the cap. Sign your deal and play.

  2. On the on hand, I agree that elite QBs should be making more. Aaron Rodgers does a lot more for a team than Alex Smith, Ryan Tannehill or Sam Bradford.

    On the other hand, with a severe QB shortage, the Tier 2 QB salary range is boosted because if you don’t over pay Alex Smith or Andy Dalton, then you end up with Geno Smith, Brain Hoyer, Mark Sanchez, guys who will cost you a few wins.

    Look at it this way: Take an 8-8 team with an average QB

    Replace the QB with Aaron Rodgers and that team could be 12-4 or 11-5

    Replace the QB with Mark Sanchez and that team could be 4-12 or 5-11

    Would you overpay Alex Smith 6MM, so as to go 8-8 instead of 5-11?
    That 6MM gets you a lot more than a good linebacker can add.

  3. Complete garbage here. They signed their contracts of their own free will. They had every chance to be able to make more money through incentives or make their salaries a certain percentage of the cap. Instead, they negotiated to maximize signing bonus and/or guaranteed money.

  4. Brady. The one guy on the list willing to take a little less so that the team can sign more players. And you wonder why they win more than other teams? It allows them to have better special teams and more depth. Some of the guys on that list shouldn’t be paid “just because they are starters”, either. That whole model assumes there is equal performance of these players. And clearly, that’s not the case.

  5. It might be easy for me to say this since I’ll never be put in this position, but I think a quarterback following Brady’s lead positions himself for greater success (and potentially greater total lifetime earnings).

    By not taking every possible dollar, Brady allows the Patriots to have additional talent on the team that otherwise would be unattainable. In turn, that allows the team to be more successful and the QB normally gets the lion share of the accolades for that success. This drives more marketing opportunities that last well beyond the player’s playing days.

    Realize that when you think marketing you also consider autograph income. A Tom Brady autographed football typically runs almost $1000. A Peyton Manning ball runs about half of that.

  6. I’m tired of hearing how great Tom Brady is for taking less than market value when he has side business dealings with the Kraft family as well as the Patriots which skirts the salary cap. Every team should just pay consulting fees to QB owned side businesses.

  7. nobody is worth 20 plus million especialy A qb. The rest of the players risk life and limbs while these primadonnas cant be touched makes me sick they call themself football players

  8. Johnny Football will wreck the salary structure, you just wait….boy, just wait…

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    You meant bail structure, right?

  9. 1. QB signs a deal
    2. Salary cap goes up
    3. A year or two later another player, not necessarily better than QB 1, signs a bigger contract.

    This is how it works at every position. QBs aren’t special. Frankly, they are paid way too much as it is.

  10. This is why it’s near impossible to enjoy an NFL Sunday in the stadium with the family. After you take out a second mortgage to cover tickets, parking and food, you have to deal with all the drunk idiots.

  11. The NFL is constantly evolving. A Team can make a difference with a QB, great Pass Rusher and a shutdown CB. These are the guys who get the really big bucks. It is all proportional now. The problem is the law of economics prevails here and that is supply and demand. Not enough elite QBs and the teams that have 2nd tier guys are scared to let them go too early, so have to pay to see.

  12. Let’s try this again.

    Just because at one point in his career, a team thought that Drew Brees was entitled to take up 1/6th of their cap doesn’t mean he is entitled to that level of consideration for the rest of his career. If I recall, the Saints were coming off a Super Bowl win a couple of years prior. Have they done anything like that since?

    The Saints have been in salary cap purgatory for 3 years, largely because of that contract. Is it possible that the rest of the league has taken notice and that the failure of the QB salary structure to continue at its early decade pace may in fact be a market correction arising out of the notion that a team cannot compete for a title with one player taking up that much of its cap?

  13. I would bet a lot that Kraft has a gentlemen agreement with Brady that will repay Brady all the money he has given up after his career is over.

  14. I am sick and tired of hearing about these poor, poor underpaid quarterbacks.

    Let them get in the bread lines if they don’t like what they’re getting paid.

  15. How many people will thumbs down this because they are stupid enough to think that’s all bradys making? The organization cheats and they are def cheating on his salary cap numbers – don’t be naive!!

  16. The Saints are .500 (33-33, inc 1-1 playoffs) since Brees got his mega-dough in 2012 – and paying him even more won’t help.

  17. oregonraider says:
    Mar 13, 2016 10:54 AM
    Kaepernick should leave a steaming pile at the Browns front office doorstep, light it, and walk away

    – how would they notice?

  18. I wonder who paid for Brady’s massive home? I have no doubt there’s some “make up” pay somewhere.

  19. QBs that absorb 20%+ of the cap make it very difficult to have the depth needed for a team to get through the season.

    So no, they shouldn’t be “clamoring” for more money. Unless they want to be losers and have a much lower chance of reaching the playoffs and SB

  20. Aaron Rodgers got 54 million (says Rotoworld)guaranteed; who does not sign that? Cousins may still get a deal done that will pay him less but guarantee more before the July deadline. The Redskins (not the Dolphins) had no real choice but to franchise Cousins because it was inconceivable that they would let him walk (though clearly the Broncos feel differently) and the Seahawks felt the same about Russell Wilson (who before the playoffs was playing great). Brees sat for his first year and Rodgers sat for 3 before they started; draft an extra QB and develop them instead of throwing a high draft pick into the fire.

  21. Why is this an ongoing topic? Rodgers has several years remaining on a deal that no longer ranks at the top of his position group? So? Why didn’t Rodgers (or Manning or Brees or any of them) just insist on a series of one-year deals if they want to always be at the cutting edge of salary inflation? Because they might get seriously injured or suddenly decline? That’s the tradeoff for that long-term deal with the large bonuses. They can skip the large bonuses and just go year-to-year if playing their egomaniacal little contract games are really that important. (The fact that we don’t seem to hear much from Rodgers and that Brady is secure enough to NOT need to be the highest paid anything indicates it really isn’t that important to them, unlike Brees and Manning and Flacco, whose contracts have seriously crippled their teams’ ability to keep good players around them.)

    It’s all just ego stroking for those that pursue such things. All of these guys are well past the point where they’re earning a living, and they’re just playing games with numbers if they insist on, say, $22.2 million rather than $21.9 million per year. In terms of lifestyle, there’s zero noticeable difference between being obscenely wealthy and being ridiculously wealthy. This is where unions and things like “organized labor” lose their way, once the money gets to a point where it’s no longer about feeding your family and solely about feeding your ego. Rather than ripping Brady for realizing that he (and his wife) long ago made more money than their great grandchildren could ever spend in twelve lifetimes, he simply cares about playing (and winning) football. Isn’t that the point?

  22. What the conspiracy theory nuts (and others) fail to realize is that Brady owns a nice chunk of Under Armor. He isn’t hurting.

  23. Goodguyattorney….(there’s an oxymoron) wonders who paid for Brady’s house…his wife makes 50 million a year.

  24. “I wonder who paid for Brady’s massive home? I have no doubt there’s some “make up” pay somewhere.”

    Outside of the fact that Brady has made well over 100 mil between his nfl salaries and endorsement deals and could easily pay for that home himself, you do realize Giselle makes something like 50 mil a year and has had that level of income for a long time.

    Between Brady and Gisselle they have made something like a half BILLION dollars.

    Don’t let actual facts get in the way of your childish resentment of the Pats success though. Must make it easier to sleep at night ignoring the actual facts and pretending Brady “cheats”

  25. sopadegato says:
    Mar 13, 2016 11:54 AM

    What the conspiracy theory nuts (and others) fail to realize is that Brady owns a nice chunk of Under Armor. He isn’t hurting.

    They also fail to look at the net worth of his wife.

  26. Any one of those contracts would set any of us up for life. Why must some QBs be clamoring for more? How much is considered to be enough? That is something each player decides. I would rather make 18 million a year with a chance at fielding a better team than make 22 million with no depth and a lesser chance at the ultimate goal of any season–the championship. If a QB said they were more concerned with personal income than winning they would get eviscerated by fans and their teammates.

    Your plan of tying contract value of QBs to cap percentage hurts the rest of the players in the league and the teams as well because the extra cap money would already be spent. That means in order to improve even more vets would get cut. How many QBs would walk up to that veteran LB and say you need to get cut because I need your money. That is essentially what you are advocating. The only way a cap percentage could feasibly work is by position/depth chart, not by individual player. The problem with that is every player and agent mistakenly believes they are the best and should make the highest slot value. After a few years, actual performance will shake that out and the only guys leaving for free agency would be depth guys that are looking for a starting job. All boats would rise with the tide instead of just the 10% of ‘superstars’

  27. Laughing at the haters again.

    Brady doing it the right way just continues to piss the haters off (who, because of it, somehow manage to think it is the wrong way).

    Enjoy your team’s overpriced, greedy SOB chump QB.

  28. Brady also doesn’t take every endorsement opportunity that comes his way. It doesn’t make him wrong not to max out his money making ability. Brady’s contract guarantees that the keys won’t be handed off to Garappolo as soon as Brady hits a slight decline. The most important thing to him is being the quarterback of the New England Patriots. The only question left is when the statue goes up at Patriot Place and where it will be.

  29. Flacco’s deal ruined it for a lot of QB’s. Other team’s GM’s see an average guy like Flacco getting HUGE money and then the team goes down the tubes because of cap issues.

  30. goodguyattorney says:
    Mar 13, 2016 11:23 AM
    I wonder who paid for Brady’s massive home?…

    Brady has an estimated net worth in nine figures before the decimal point. His “below market” salary combined with endorsements and financial acumen add up.

    His wife was making $40-$50 million a year during the height of her career; maybe now she is down to $30 million annually.

    Combined it is believed they have a net worth North of $500 million.

    Still wondering?

  31. Not content with the small amount of confusion caused by their former policy of simply referring to the Redskins as “Washington,” PFT ups the ante on confusion and begins its new policy of referring to the Redskins by each of the other teams’ nicknames in turn.

    The “Washington Dolphins” is only the first step, next PFT will be talking about the “Washington Lions”, “Washington Raiders”, and “Washington Falcons.” Though they are going to save the ultimate confusion-inducing nickname, the “Washington Seahawks” for the times when they REALLY REALLY don’t want anybody to connect it to the Redskins.

  32. When they negotiate a new a CBA the other players are going to fix this. They’re seeing second rate Qbs taking up such a large percentage of the cap. They will probably try to add some language that prevents qbs from taking x percentage of the cap.

  33. Look, I hate Brady just like all of you except the usual Homers, but let’s at least use some facts. As most of you pointed out he gets endorsement deals and his Model Wife makes over $50M. Did you know he has an 8% stake in Under Armour? This is worth more than everything else combined. His Tax Filing in 2014 was an estimated $120-140M. I doubt he needs the extra $7M in a Contract negotiation. However, I applaud the guy because his decision affects others. It is like Real Estate with neighboring Comps. No one on the block likes when you sell your home well under market just to move. It hurts the established system; fair or not.

  34. Anyone ever notice how many of Florios headlines read something like “Here’s how it should be”? Between this one and his Kapernick post earlier, that’s already 2 today and it’s barely past noon.

  35. How many people will thumbs down this because they are stupid enough to think that’s all bradys making? The organization cheats and they are def cheating on his salary cap numbers – don’t be naive!!

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    If you’d like to be viewed as a rational human being, you should provide facts to support your assertion. Otherwise, people dismiss the writer’s opinion out of hand.

    I don’t know if they cheat or not, but I won’t make the claim until there is evidence.

    Investigate! find evidence supporting your claim.

  36. I can’t help but chuckle at all of the conspiracy theorists regarding Brady and how he gets “paid off the books.”

    If this were happening, I don’t think you understand how many red flags would come up, at a minimum, on the tax returns of the owner and player. Two individuals who are already heavily audited by the IRS because of their income (and the owner probably by the league as well). While I’m not in love with the league office (or the IRS), it’s naive to think this would be difficult to catch. These guys aren’t in the mob, they’re businessmen with a public perception to worry about and a lot to lose.

    You can actually search the league rule book and find the rule and process that governs this to prevent it from happening, and punish it when it does.

    The closest thing I’ve seen to this happening, funny enough, was the 97/98 Broncos and the salaries of Terrell Davis and John Elway.

    Haters just need to get over it. While I’m not naive enough to think Brady cuts his salary strictly because he wants to win, I do think he cuts his salary because he wants to win and knows that he’s taken care of quite nicely financially (endorsements and a wife who is worth a lot more than him).

  37. When a single player consumes one sixth of the cap in a sport in which teams comprise 52 players, you have yourself a team building problem. These days players and especially QBs have many other means of boosting their incomes (endorsements, etc.), can’t blame a bunch of them for wanting to play with decent teammates.

  38. Do you really think 3 0r 4 million less does that much? How many difference makers are teams going to sign for that? Signing ok players to huge deals kills you. Not drafting well and signing players Vernon and Jenkins kills you. Is that going to be Eli’s fault.

  39. And, yet, let everyone outside New England vilify Brady who has been doing this for a decade. They all make money outside football and, yes he married rich, but that’s not the point. Few pro athletes, let alone QBs leave a penny on the table to make their team better. And Brady has exuded this team-first approach for a long time. Of course, haters gonna hate…

  40. “The problem is that fans and media will have little sympathy for the very rich trying to get very richer, especially when every extra dollar that goes to a quarterback is one less dollar that will be available for the rest of the roster”

    Your whole article was undone by your own sentence.

  41. When you said “Buyers remorse..and..Cutler, Romo, Stafford.” I assumed you meant the teams over paid. But you actually made an argument that they are all under paid. Come on.

  42. “Sure, Rodgers has four years left on his current deal. But he can persuasively argue that circumstances have changed, dramatically, since he signed his most recent extension.”

    i guess a contract isn’t a contract? it’s just what feels right kind of thing? so if Rodgers sucked for the past few years; he would have given the money back the Packers right?

    any contract signed has the potential be one sided for either party. both parties know that (or should know that) when entering the contract.

  43. The single biggest reason the Saints have been less competative since winning their Super Bowl is BECAUSE Drew Brees’ contract eats up 1/6 of the cap. They traded his best weapon because they couldnt afford him. Tying up 1/6 of a teams salary cap to a QB, even a Hall of Fame caliber one is the recipe for mediocrity. Brady eating up less cap space for whatever reason(s) is a time tested proven model of franchise success.

  44. Are we ever going to wake up as a society/species and realize money is not real? We made it up. It’s value is determined by some idiot at the Fed. It’s tied to nothing real. Here we sit talking about 1 PERSON and whether or not they should be getting $20M PER YEAR vs. $25M, while millions of people are homeless and are wondering if they will eat today. It’s not about socialism, capitalism, or any sort of “ism”. It’s about people realizing there is plenty to go around, and at some point enough should be enough. Hell. You give a smart person, or someone willing to learn, $10M ONE TIME and their family is set for generations. Just 1% interest on $10M is $100,000 per year in income. That’s over twice the average income of today’s U.S. Citizen. We’re the modern day Romans. We’re gluttonous, arrogant, disgusting pigs who are full or ourselves.

  45. High-end quarterbacks should be clamoring to set the bar higher…and who in the hell is clamoring for the football fan…Mark Cuban was right: the NFL is imploding before our very eyes…

  46. One guy can never do it alone (unless you have elite-level coaching and drafting, which few teams do), so why distribute the pay like that’s the case, then not have enough money to help the elite guy out?

  47. “Eli Manning was shouted down from becoming the highest-paid quarterback in the NFL last year”

    Where is the proof of that? The NFL media created myth (Rappaport) that he wanted to be the highest player has no more backing it up than does the claim he got shouted down from it. Neither Manning or his agent said he wanted to be the richest NFL player, they only said that he expected receive a competitive contract for the market, which is what he signed. The leverage that PFT and other media thought he would/should use to become the league’s highest paid player was instead used to get a no trade clause. Eli secured what was important to him, unlike his brother in the unlikely event he finishes his career elsewhere it will be by his own choice. Just as winning and the endorsement value that goes with it help drive Brady’s logic, Eli knew something the media failed to consider. Being the QB of a flagship team in the nation’s largest market would allow him to make up any perceived cash loss pretty easily.

  48. jdubyaz says:
    Mar 13, 2016 12:07 PM
    sopadegato says:
    Mar 13, 2016 11:54 AM

    What the conspiracy theory nuts (and others) fail to realize is that Brady owns a nice chunk of Under Armor. He isn’t hurting.

    They also fail to look at the net worth of his wife.
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    Neither of those things has anything to do with what Brady does or should get paid by the Pats. Peyton has countless endorsement deals and other sources of revenue, but that didn’t stop him from asking for and getting top dollar when it came time to sign a new contract. As for Giselle, what does her income have to do with anything? It’s completely unrelated to the NFL. I mean, it might be somewhat understandable if Brady and Giselle had a side deal with the NFL where they’d hire her to be the face of their massive advertising campaign, but that’s not the case. Anyway, having the NFL effectively subsidize part of the Pats payroll wouldn’t go over very well, and would most likely violate some kind of labor law.

    This isn’t a matter of how much money Brady (or his family) has. It’s a matter of how much do the Pats pay him, and how much value does he generate for his team. Brady has led his team to 4 SB wins, 2 additional SB appearances, and even more division championships and conference title appearances. They’ve never had a losing season since he became the starting QB. In other words, he’s played at an elite level rather consistently for an incredibly long period of time. His compensation for this feat? Brady makes less than some QBs who wouldn’t even be starters if there were remotely enough competent QB talent to go around.

    It seems clear that Brady favors improving his odds of winning over getting every last dollar he can out of the Pats. It also doesn’t hurt his relationship with the owner that he’s been so agreeable, or his legacy that he’s seen as being such a team first player. I’m sure those things matter to Brady as well. In general, I have no problem with this. It’s Brady’s career and his income. He can prioritize money and other benefits any way he likes. My only issue with the situation, is that the Pats have a history of using Brady’s choices to try and get other players to take less than they might be able to get.

  49. Bang on this: if any player wants market value every year, sign one year deals. If you want a big check up front, sign a long term deal. YOU CAN’T HAVE BOTH

  50. What absolute twaddle!

    A multi year contract paying a player only 12 million doesn’t mean he’s getting less than his market value. You have to take the entire length of contract into account with the full amount of money including bonus. Then divide the latter by the former and then you have the true value of the contract. Just because a team front loads the deal doesn’t mean the player is getting underpaid in the later years.

  51. I am not a Pats fan, but at some point the money stops mattering, and it is all about legacy. Brady was smart enough to realize that early. No $20 million QB has won a Superbowl after signing the contract.

    $10 million vs $20 million a year over a long contract has zero impact on lifestyle for anyone sensible with their money. Retiring having won 4 super bowls and appearing in 6 will make Brady much happier in old age, than knowing he has an extra $30 million in the bank to pass down to heirs that likely don’t appreciate it.

    I can understand players like Cousins and Osweiler chasing the money, as who knows how long their careers will be. However Rodgers and Luck may regret chasing a few extra dollars when they reach retirement.

  52. Smart players manage their career length and their brand. I would argue Brady (not my team) will make more over his career BY FAR by managing his brand as being a team first guy. Why? Endorsements. Total earnings is WAY more important than stand alone team salary. This is simple dollars and sense.

    Moving on from that. How smart is it for a top QB to squeeze a team for max dollars and then be surrounded by a horrible offensive line? Dumb. They take more sacks and hits, the get hurt more. Odds would say over time this shortens their careers. One extra year = $20M (plus endorsements).

    Even from a “selfish” standpoint its common sense not to try and break the bank on your own team.

  53. Running QBs are plentiful in the draft. Teams need to start treating them like RBs, drafting them for a few years and then drafting a new one when the time comes to pay them. By that time they have usually lost a step and are worthless.

  54. stanklepoot says:
    Mar 13, 2016 1:11 PM
    This isn’t a matter of how much money Brady (or his family) has. It’s a matter of how much do the Pats pay him, and how much value does he generate for his team.
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    How is it that no one sees that being the winningest QB in the SB era while still being perceived as the ultimate team guy probably generates far more for him in terms of endorsement value than whatever he is not getting from NE? Just as Eli not setting the bar got him a no trade clause that ensures he will stay in the biggest market while not hurting his endorsement value by being perceived as greedy, you have to break the 30¢ in eggs to make the $5.99 omelette

  55. @stanklepoot

    I’m sorry, but you’re looking at this in a vacuum, which isn’t realistic. I agree that outside forces do not impact what Brady SHOULD get paid by the Pats or his value to the team.

    However, to think that his financial situation outside of his NFL salary (endorsements, wife, etc) does not impact his willingness to take less money is beyond naive, and is borderline foolish. You can say all you want how his outside financial situation doesn’t impact anything, but it absolutely does (it doesn’t mean he isn’t of high character for doing what he’s doing though).

    With that said, I was defending Brady (as you can read in my further post). He isn’t the only athlete with a powerful financial situation outside of his NFL salary, yet he is the one who chooses to take the pay cut.

    While I believe his decision is likely a combination of his overall financial situation and the great deal he cares about his legacy/the team/winning , he is still making a choice many others don’t: to take the pay cut. It is very telling of his character and how bad he wants to win. I’d love to see more athletes take the same approach, but I suppose I understand why they all don’t (I’ll simply choose not to appreciate them as much).

  56. xxbarklikeadogxx says:
    Mar 13, 2016 10:18 AM
    Personally, I’m tired of hearing how awesome Andy Luck is. Wake me when he does something.

    192 14

    We’ll remember this next year when Luck is back in the playoff mix…

    As for him doing “something”, he made the playoffs each of his first 3 years in the league and advanced to the AFC Championship game while putting up big stats and looking like the best young pocket QB in the game. The only year he has missed the playoffs was last year when he was hurt behind their woeful o-line and missed half of the season.

    Not sure what you think of the rest of those Colts teams (o-line, run game, defense), but take that into account also when considering Luck’s work…

    Not a bad way to start a career…

  57. captainwhodat says:
    Mar 13, 2016 12:56 PM
    High-end quarterbacks should be clamoring to set the bar higher…and who in the hell is clamoring for the football fan…Mark Cuban was right: the NFL is imploding before our very eyes…
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    This really has nothing to do with the fans. The NFL takes in a certain amount of revenue. Some goes to the owners, and some goes to the players. That amount is already determined. Even if every player in the league suddenly agreed to take less money (never going to happen, nor should it), the NFL isn’t going to start sending out checks to fans or cut prices. The NFL is going to take in every last dollar of revenue that it can. So, the only issue here is who gets how much of the allotted money. My view is to treat it like any other market in a capitalist system. Base it on the quality of the player and the supply of similarly talented individuals at their position. In this case, QB is easily the most important position in football (as far as players go). As for the supply of talent at QB, clearly there has been a serious shortage lately. Given those factors, quality QBs should receive a disproportionate percentage of the revenue that is contractually allotted to the players.

    As for implosion, if it happens it won’t have anything to do with what percentage of the salary cap goes to QBs. It’ll be because the ownership is so out of touch with society. They act as if they are untouched by the rules and beliefs of the communities in which they exist. They are blatantly demanding more power and more money at the very time that the public’s trust in ownership is at the lowest level I’ve ever seen.

  58. More money for me, or more money for linemen so I don’t get so beat up every game.

    If I was a QB with that choice, I would take less money.

  59. I understand those saying it is a free market get what you can BUT…..

    When is enough enough? Most good QB’s are making 100 million or more. Put that into perspective! A fan making $100,000 per year will work 1,000 years or about half time since Christ was born!!!!

    A great QB needs the line to protect them, the RB’s to save his arm and most obvious WR and TE’s to catch the damn ball.

    Get serious

  60. Any top 15 QB who has a brain would negotiate for no more than 10% of his team’s cap but would require in his contract that at least another 50% of the cap goes into O-line, WRs and RBs. Would you really prefer a few years of $25+M/year while getting beat up with hits on a lame team or a potentially long career at $18-20M/yr with a line that protects you, skill positions to make you look good and maybe frequent playoff appearances?

    Let’s call it the Brees vs Brady approach. I’d bet my house Luck’s next contract looks like the one of those QBs who our grandkids will remember.

  61. “In this case, QB is easily the most important position in football (as far as players go)”

    Which is how Denver just won a Super Bowl with one of the worst quarterbacks (at that stage of his career) in the league. A good team is a good team, and, contrary to what you’d be led to believe, there’s no one, single, fool-proof way to build a team, and giving twelve players’ worth of money to a single guy seems no more conducive to winning than the big one than starting Ryan Fitzpatrick, Alex Smith, or any of the other lesser (and cheaper) quarterbacks.

  62. You know what you make. Now let’s assume one of your colleagues just gets a raise (now making 20% more than you) and gets an extra week of vacation. He’s late to work once a week and everybody knows you’re better at the job. Raises usually come every 3 years and you just got yours 6 months ago but the company is doing great.

    A). Are you even bothered?
    B). Do you talk to others about the fairness of your compensation?
    C). Do you approach management?

    Yes, yes and yes!

    This is human nature. And you can’t argue with human nature and tell it “hey it’s no big deal – we have a nice home, food on the table and take a nice vacation every year”.

  63. Winning QBs know they need winning teams around them to keep being winning QBs. Bad QBs know they need a paycheck, now, because they’re not going to survive much longer. And bad teams are desperate enough for a showy name that they pay irrationally.

    This probably ensures that the merit/pay equation will never line up properly, or for very long.

  64. “This is human nature. And you can’t argue with human nature and tell it “hey it’s no big deal – we have a nice home, food on the table and take a nice vacation every year.”

    Tom Brady doesn’t fit your model of human nature. And, with virtually ALL of these guys, they don’t have “a nice home”, they have multiple amazing homes. They’ve had dozens of lifetimes worth of food on the table for years now, and they get to effectively vacation for months every year. Again, these guys are no longer earning a living, they’re just playing games with numbers. If winning those games off the field are more important than winning the actual game they’re getting paid those always-unreal (no matter how “unfairly” compensated) numbers on the field, then that speaks volumes of their competitive drive (why bother putting everything into beating Tom Brady when it’s much easier to “beat” Jim Irsay in June?) as well as their utter lack of awareness for basic human morality.

    Which, I guess, is what human nature is all about. So, you win.

  65. Also, again, just sign one-year contracts for your entire career if you’re that worried about your compensation becoming “unfair”. What’s so difficult about that concept?

  66. “…there’s nothing any of the relatively underpaid quarterbacks can do for now.”

    Oddly enough, I saw only one QB name that could possibly have been considered as “relatively underpaid” at the time of signing his contract.

  67. The market value for a player exists at the time of signing the contract locking him into a pay structure. If QBs want more money they need to hold out. Floridio advocates for that all the time. just do it.

  68. Can someone explain to me how Flacco’s contract crippled the Ravens? Should they let him have walked after the SB and went with Shaub, or Claussen?

    So you go with a bargain QB and sign a Suh or someone else and that gets you back to the SB? The cap numbers were manageable in the first years and so is the reworked one. In intrafinesse ‘s example above you can not tell me people would take Sanchez at 8mil a year over Flacco at 21. It annoys me people pile on this contract. It is the going rate for decent QB’s in the league.

    And even Baltimore fans that hate on the contract. They act like we had great QB’s before Flacco and act spoiled because of that. We were basically a black whole for QB’s, just go down the list.

    I appreciate what we have in Flacco, appreciate the SB and post season performance. And do not blame him for being paid market rate. I will take him over Dalton, Ryan, Luck Tannehill any day.

  69. Pats homers, you do know Brady is compensated off the books right???

    You’re all just pissed because he’s a selfless human being, and your quarterbacks are garbage and trying to break the bank while doing it.

    Right?

  70. “The market value for a player exists at the time of signing the contract locking him into a pay structure. If QBs want more money they need to hold out. Floridio advocates for that all the time. just do it.”

    No, they need to sign one-year deals, then. That way they don’t get left behind the salary inflation curve, and they don’t break their contract. Just do it!

    No? No takers?

  71. Andrew Luck has been in the NFL 4 years, has played in 6 playoffs games, won 3 and made it the AFC Championship game.. As a Colts fan, heck yeah I want more, but this whole “wake me up when he’s done something” line of thinking smacks of sour grapes.

  72. The wives of these QB’s don’t make $35M a year plus profits from other businesses they have so please, take Brady out of the equation when discussing money. I also believe the QB’s mentioned are paid too much for what they produce on the field, particularly Tannehill and Bradford.

  73. Florio,

    A. In an era where we routinely call players overpaid and overcompensated, now we are taking shots at Brady for not pounding every ounce of flesh out of the Pats he can?

    B. You hypothesize that Brees taking 1/6 of the cap and that now falling off percentage wise is a knock on quarterbacks getting paid.

    I hypothesize the opposite. Brees got paid, and NO has dropped like the Titanic. Have you considered that the relative slow down in growth of qb contracts has less to do with any kind of collusion and more to do with the fact that people looked at what happened to New Orleans and the cap hell they went in to to give Brees 1/6th of their cap and realized that THAT was what was out of line?

  74. It’s odd how Pat’s fans lick Brady’s boots. He is an athlete, not your friend or family. You talk about his diet, how selfless he is, how he wouldn’t cheat. It’s scary weird . He is not leaving his wife for you. He probably wouldn’t pee on you, if you were on fire, to put you out. You guys are creepy!!!!!!!

  75. Or maybe they should realize they don’t need to soak up one-sixth of the cap, that if they “leave some money on the table” that their team may be able to improve in another area, that trying to such up every dollar they possibly can (looking at you Peyton Manning) is counterproductive.

  76. bigblue00 says:
    Mar 13, 2016 11:03 AM
    This is why it’s near impossible to enjoy an NFL Sunday in the stadium with the family. After you take out a second mortgage to cover tickets, parking and food, you have to deal with all the drunk idiots.

    ——————————————————————

    Do what I did. I stopped going. I have the NFL package through DirecTv. When the price of that gets too high, I’ll stop buying that, too. I don’t buy any NFL merchandise, either.
    I have been an NFL fan since 1960. I still love the game, but the game has definitely changed for the worst in many ways. It is not the same game I grew up watching in the 1960’s.
    With people like Goodell running it, it’s no wonder it is being ruined.

  77. if anything they should take less.Soon the teams will only be able to afford a qb and maybe a defensive tackle.the rest will have to be off the street.They need to get paid but this escalating salary is getting out of control

  78. famundacheese says:
    Mar 13, 2016 3:23 PM
    It’s odd how Pat’s fans lick Brady’s boots. He is an athlete, not your friend or family. You talk about his diet, how selfless he is, how he wouldn’t cheat. It’s scary weird . He is not leaving his wife for you. He probably wouldn’t pee on you, if you were on fire, to put you out. You guys are creepy!!!!!!!

    —————–

    Um, no . . . . your post is what is creepy. We NE fans do love Brady because he’s the best thing that has happened to the Patriots in years. Everybody loves to win and he has the work ethic and dedication to make that happen. Your reasoning about why we love him is in your own creepy imagination.

  79. xxbarklikeadogxx says:
    Mar 13, 2016 10:18 AM
    Personally, I’m tired of hearing how awesome Andy Luck is. Wake me when he does something.

    —-

    Best comment ever.

  80. It’s weird, but hey that’s on you. You guys can go back to not being fans when he retires, but in the mean time you can tell me how he doesn’t eat refined sugars and how it’s normal to destroy your cell phone. Creepy as heck. Actually disturbing is probably a better word.

  81. The nfl needs to work on its ridiculous lack of talent at the QB position. You can’t convince me that there are only 5 guys in the world who have the brain, skill, and body to play well–that simply defies reason. The nfl needs to fix the QB situation NOW or people will stop watching games.

  82. Jerrah or Mr Elway will make Matthew Stafford a very rich man soon enough. As a Lions fan I do not look forward to it but hey maybe we can lock Dan-O up for a multi year deal on the cheap now.

  83. this is one of the dumbest articles I have ever read on this site and that is saying a bunch . There are plenty of NFL players that are underpaid but most of those mediocre to worse qbs are overpaid due to the astronomical salary cap and the the perceived market value just because they are the starter. If the elite qbs are worth 22 or 25 MM and they win 12 games a year the guys that win 6 or 7 games a year should get half and be glad to get that $. Also as someone said if you said OK to an eight year deal don’t come crying after 3 three years if you are 11th highest paid at that point.
    No qb is as grossly underpaid compared to his performance than antonio brown . The steelers say you signed the deal thanks but when he is up in 2 years he will be 29 and he will to old to get a bunch . The ridiculous contract the union signed locks guys in for 4 years and if they were underdrafted they are stuck until most are 26 so then they are lucky to get one big contract ; even that will get torn up on a whim if the team fails to see the value . On the other hand a player goes off and 99% of the time the team says well you have a contract shut up and play.

  84. theseekeroffun says:
    Mar 13, 2016 10:33 AM
    Brees hamstrung his team with his contract. He sacrificed having a balanced team with his greed.
    ——–
    Wrong! The Saints hamstrung themselves with poor drafts and free agent pick ups.

    Saints had enough money for a top flight safety, but gave that money to Jairus Byrd instead.
    Saints had enough money for a top cornerback, but gave that money to Brandon Browner instead.
    Saints had enough money for a pass rusher, but gave that money to Junior Gallete instead.
    Saints had enough money for an offensive weapon, but gave that money to C. J. Spiller instead.

    The uninformed keep clamoring for greedy Brees to take a paycut. For what? To keep throwing that money away on bums?

  85. 3 facts: 1- Brady sets the bar, for everything QB related. 2- Harrisonhits2 speaks the truth, continually and…. 3-fumandacheese is a complete utter clown, here to amuse us. Dance little clown.

  86. Brady’s great I’m not disputing that. It’s his fans that are out there. If anyone says anything not so nice about Tommy boy, you guys get so defensive. You don’t know the man, but act like he has no faults. I don’t know Brady, he may be a great guy, but for you guys to act like he never a thing wrong in his life is completely messed up. If he is the next Jim Jones, you crazies would follow him. It’s disturbing.

  87. Am i the only one that smiled when i saw that logo? I remember how fun that game was …of course nothing compared to NFL2k5 but still on N64 i was amazed by the visuals lol

  88. ” (possibly because one of the best quarterbacks of the past generation consistently refuses to insist on a title he deserves by taking grossly below-market deals)”

    The “title” Mr. Brady wants and deserves is the one that comes with a Lombardi trophy and a big ring for his thumb. He’s got the priorities straight, and the Pats will be right there knocking on the door again in 2016 as a result.

  89. famundacheese says:
    Mar 13, 2016 3:23 PM
    It’s odd how Pat’s fans lick Brady’s boots. He is an athlete, not your friend or family. You talk about his diet, how selfless he is, how he wouldn’t cheat. It’s scary weird . He is not leaving his wife for you. He probably wouldn’t pee on you, if you were on fire, to put you out. You guys are creepy!!!!!!!
    ————

    After seeing how committed he’s been for 15 years for our previously (for the most part) mess of a team, and all the crap he’s gone through the last few years… you’ve got to understand, we are behind this guy 100%. We’ll never see another one like him, and we know it. There are kids (and dogs) all over New England named “Brady.” We talk to him (and Simmons) on Facebook as if they are our cousins… it may be weird from the outside looking in… but Brady, Papi too… they’ve brought a lot into our sports-loving lives. THANK YOU TOM BRADY!!!

    (I think he might walk on water… I don’t know… I wouldn’t bet against it.)

  90. What star QB isn’t committed. Those guys don’t leave places until they are sent packing or retire. You guys believe Tom’s writing you facebook messages , just proves my point even further. Just weird.

  91. Think about this amazing fact: Brock Osweiler got $18 million per year!!!!

    Going by that Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben, Rivers etc are worth 30 mil per year easy.

  92. Somebody has an unhealthy infatuation with people only he believes have an unhealthy infatuation with Tom Brady. Now THAT is weird.

  93. All except Tom Brady, whose refusal to get every dollar he deserves has helped keep the rubber band being stretched as far as it could be or should be in the quarterback market.

    —————————————————————

    just another way that the Pats cheat the rules

  94. Boston sports fans have nothing to gripe about anymore. Period. Just be careful of that shaky, smug soapbox that you are standing on though…because nothing lasts forever and we will have no remorse piling on when it hits the fan, and it will. Tick Tock.

    –Sports Fans Everywhere

  95. While it is widely known by informed and intelligent humans that Brady’s wife has made at least $50 Mill a year for many years now, it is both intensely sad and funny that the Haters continue to eagerly post their “clever” and ignorant comments, continually proving that they, the most retarded, undeveloped, and deficient end of the human gene pool, continue to decay while the rest of us are burdened by the Washington Liberal Democrats with the financial responsibilty to ensure that the weak and shallow end of the gene pool continues to survive and even multiply through the public assistance we pay for.

  96. Bad for the game – this greed is pretty much bad for everything – look what drew bree’s greed has done for the ‘aints…look what ronald ray gun & pals have done for america

  97. oregonraider says:
    Mar 13, 2016 10:54 AM

    Kaepernick should leave a steaming pile at the Browns front office doorstep, light it, and walk away.
    _____________________

    If that were to happen he would indeed be leaving a piece of himself behind.

  98. goodguyattorney says:
    Mar 13, 2016 11:23 AM
    I wonder who paid for Brady’s massive home? I have no doubt there’s some “make up” pay somewhere.
    #####################################
    Brady’s wife makes twice as much as Brady.

  99. brawnyhombre says:
    Mar 13, 2016 2:24 PM
    “In this case, QB is easily the most important position in football (as far as players go)”

    Which is how Denver just won a Super Bowl with one of the worst quarterbacks (at that stage of his career) in the league
    #################################
    When you have the lead … you run the ball which what Kubiak did.
    Did you notice when the game was tied or the Broncos were losing Manning moved the ball by opening up the playbook.

  100. Looking at a QB earning $25 mil for clocking in 18 times at work…practice doesn’t count…at 3 hours a day…toss in some playoff games perhaps, but $25 million for not a year’s worth or even 6 months, but 54 hours of actually working. Don’t give me that studying film stuff either, I mean a guy is physically performing at his job for 54 hours in that year and just raked in $25 mil. Curse my family genetics.

  101. QBs do not need to be protected against cap spikes. If they are really that concerned they can just sign 1 or 2 year contracts. That mechanism already exists.

    The money needs to be spread around more. The only way the max contracts work are when the team has most of the other talent on rookie or below market contracts. You can’t pay everyone.

  102. Let’s call it the Brees vs Brady approach. I’d bet my house Luck’s next contract looks like the one of those QBs who our grandkids will remember.
    ==========================
    Brady has the rings but Brees is Top 5 in every major statistical category for all time QBs… I think they’ll both be ‘remembered’ lol

  103. “When you have the lead … you run the ball which what Kubiak did.
    Did you notice when the game was tied or the Broncos were losing Manning moved the ball by opening up the playbook.”

    No, I didn’t notice that at all. I did notice the Denver defense scoring the first touchdown of the Super Bowl, and then making sure the game was never closer than 10-7 after that. I also noticed Manning needed 37 attempts to get to 222 yards against a weak Pittsburgh defense. Didn’t notice that “opening up the playbook”, though.

  104. Mar 14, 2016 7:58 PM
    goodguyattorney says:

    Mar 13, 2016 11:23 AM

    I wonder who paid for Brady’s massive home? I have no doubt there’s some “make up” pay somewhere.
    ________________________________________

    Substitute the word “doubt” with the word “proof” and you have an accurate statement…

  105. deeppurple13 says:
    Mar 13, 2016 10:23 PM

    Boston sports fans have nothing to gripe about anymore. Period. Just be careful of that shaky, smug soapbox that you are standing on though…because nothing lasts forever and we will have no remorse piling on when it hits the fan, and it will. Tick Tock.

    –Sports Fans Everywhere
    _______________________________________

    To the Trolls Everywhere:

    Patriot fans don’t care if you have remorse or pile on because name calling will never equal Super Bowl championships.

    So, celebrate that a run of 20+ years has ended because the GOAT retired. (Even though that has nothing to do with your team stopping him.)I guess that’s something to pound your chest about…I guess…

    Patriot fans will pound their chests over 4+ Super Bowls and 20+ years of NFL dominance!

    Patriot Fans Win AGAIN!

  106. u4iadman says:

    Mar 13, 2016 12:02 PM

    Pats homers, you do know Brady is compensated off the books right???
    _________________________________________

    Troll, you do know that the Patriots have dominated the NFL for the past 20+ years right??? You do know that:

    Unproven Accusations = Cry Baby Soup

    Open wide! Here comes another big spoonful. Boo Hoo!

    Patriots Win Again!

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