Competition Committee moves toward new ejection rule

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Later today, the Competition Committee will announce via media conference call its agenda of proposed rules and bylaws changes for next week’s league meetings. As expected, the Competition Committee will be proposed a rule mandating ejections in the wake of two personal fouls.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that the Committee is expected to recommend that an ejection will happen after a player commits two personal fouls in the same game. The challenge becomes selecting the fouls that will fall under the two-strikes-and-you’re-out umbrella.

Rapoport says fewer than five penalties will fall within this category. PFT reported earlier this month that two categories were being considered. The first category would consist of verbal abuse, taunting, and throwing a punch or a kick. The second category would be broader, with hits on defenseless players, impermissible use of the helmet, crown-of-helmet violations, roughing the passer, late hits, striking, kneeing, and kicking.

Whatever the Competition Committee does, no rules change without at least 24 ownership votes.

66 responses to “Competition Committee moves toward new ejection rule

  1. Verbal abuse – you mean like trash talking? I get throwing a punch and cheap shots, etc. but verbal abuse and being tossed for hurting someone’s feelings? Weak.

  2. Taunting? Really? Afraid these grown multi-million dollar men will get their feelings hurt?

    If you don’t like it, stop them. Same for Touchdown celebrations.

    Bring back football.

  3. The sad part of this? The system is SO dysfunctional that you can’t solve the problem by saying “hey ref, if he stomps on the guy on the ground, just throw him out.” We now need to come up with convoluted rules to force officials to just do their jobs.

  4. I would also expect that anyone caught “giving someone the business” would result in an mmediate ejection. It’s just common sense.

  5. If a player gets 2 “flagrant’ type penalties – the second one should be a 15+5 yard penalty and the coach gets the option of either removing the player for the rest of the game or losing a time out. Your Welcome.

  6. My only worry is if there will be any sort of quick review or ability to challenge in case of a bad call

  7. It says a lot about the league that it takes more than ONE punch or kick to get ejected from the game…

  8. They better make the calls reversible via coach’s challenge. The officials are great at calling penalties on what they think happened rather than what actually happened.

  9. Goodell: Hey what do you think about an ejection rule?
    Vincent: They have that in college football. It’s been a huge disaster.
    Goodell: How so?
    Vincent: Players getting ejected over terrible calls. One dumb referee can ruin the whole game.
    Goodell: Oh sick! Do you think we could borrow from that but make an even more vague and intrusive rule?
    Vincent: We wouldn’t be the NFL if we didn’t lol
    Goodell: LOL

  10. Verbal abuse – you mean like trash talking? I get throwing a punch and cheap shots, etc. but verbal abuse and being tossed for hurting someone’s feelings? Weak.

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    I think this is more about the players who run right up to the referees and start swearing at them. Like what happens every game

  11. Nut job suzie in Miami won’t make it through 10 games this year if this happens. Beautiful. We don’t miss him here in Detroit.

  12. Depending on the nature of the personal fouls included in the 2 and your gone rule it had best include an automatic review to make sure the penalties are legit and not perceived. All too often flags are thrown for how a hit looks versus what it was. We have all seen a guy get blown up on a legal hit that drew a flag. That said, any deliberate attempt to injure, and we all know them when we see them, shouldn’t require 2 flags. Something akin to hockey’s match penalty would do it.

  13. If we fake face mask grabs, my Packers will be ejected. And we will lose more.

  14. The opposing team should be able to decline the ejection. For example, ejecting nearly any of the Jets starters would actually make the team better.

  15. I’m just guessing the “taunting” won’t be so much trash talking, but more along the lines of being excessive, i.e. standing over a downed player and taunting, or getting into a verbal spat with an official that goes beyond a player stating their case.

  16. So… in the two penalty categories mentioned in the post… what exactly is the difference between “throwing a … kick” in the first category, and “kicking” in the second category?

  17. Ryan Shazier continually leads with his helmet and is praised for it. This is a trap. This will allow the NFL to continue to push their favorites while eliminating good players from other teams, and further ruin the game.

  18. I feel that if a player gets roughing the passer or a personal foul that causes injury to said player.. The guilty party should be out as long as the person they injured starting with said game..but to get ejected for taunting is going too far

  19. The Steelers would be scared if they didn’t already know they get favorable calls from the refs.

  20. Example..Burfict injured ab and drew a personal foul..ab was out the rest of the season well Burfict should not be allowed to play and be out for the season too..that would stop all the head hunting

  21. How many “Trash Talking” penalties have you seen? I think you only get that penalty for over the top abuse.

    I have no problem with “Taunting” being on the list, but I do have a problem with the way it is currently defined. It should be obvious intentional taunting, not something that hurts your feelings. ie, throwing a ball at someone as opposed to celebrating something without directing it at someone.

  22. If the refs had any stones to begin with we wouldn’t be talking about this new rule. I know everyone thinks it will be Burfict 1st but my money is on a Pats ejection being #1.

    At this point we’re past time to get the on field guys out of the calls and do them all from a booth. Wait, they can’t get those right either.

    Might as well eliminate replay for anything except out of bounds or breaking the plane. After what we saw last year, the replay booth is a sad joke. And it happens to every team, except Denver, who seemed to lead a very charmed life vis-a-vis “timely” calls, or non calls, to make sure Peyton left Mile HiGH with a trophy.

  23. I think it’s a bad idea. To many scenarios where people get tossed in questionable circumstances.

  24. The refs can’t even keep track of down and distance and time remaining on the clock. How in the heck are they going to keep track of who already has received their 1st PF and should be ejected for their second? This promises to be another NFL disaster, and will be miscalled, like the rules determining what is a catch, what is a blow to the head, and what is a defenseless receiver.

  25. I’m just guessing the “taunting” won’t be so much trash talking, but more along the lines of being excessive, i.e. standing over a downed player and taunting, or getting into a verbal spat with an official that goes beyond a player stating their case.

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    That would be the logical approach… but the NFL isn’t exactly known for its Logic…

    Reality is, they want more on the field mics to add to the fan “experience” and cant have that with players swearing on national tv

    Pretty soon f-bombs will equal automatic ejections…

  26. When cooler heads prevail and they rescind the “knocking the ball loose” penalty in ten years these guys are going to feel pretty stupid.

  27. What constitutes verbal abuse anyway?

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    Telling other players you are going to eat their children seems like verbal abuse…….: )

  28. A verbal abuse penalty isn’t for trash talking… it’s about racial slurs. They recently started throwing flags for that. Started after the Riley video in philly.

  29. I think it is a good and bad idea. There is so much going on during a game what is normal trash talking and what is taunting? and as a previous poster said how does a ref know if a player is being baited?

    As for kicking, punching, spitting, hitting defenseless player, or leading with the helmet that I might agree with that. I know it is football and it is a violent sport but if you are really serious about player safety they need to look at things like that and kick them out if necessary. But I also agree with others that there needs to be some sort of review of the penalty to make sure you got it right.

  30. I think “taunting” will be the harsher vulgar taunts, not just every taunt that goes on.

    If they mean taunting at all, it will not stick. Players and coaches will throw a fit and taunt the rules committee.

  31. So as soon as a guy gets a personal foul, he will be baited the rest of the game into getting the second one.

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    I love these ‘the sky is falling’ thought lines as they are funny.

    1. Getting your opponent to do something dumb that earns a penalty is called gamesmanship. That has always been a part of the game.

    2. How many actual ejections would occur in 2015 with this rule. I can think of only two instances: Burfict vs Pitt and OBJ vs Panthers. I bet in total there are less than 5 for the entire season.

    3. Everybody assumes the person ejected is game changing star. Most personal foul penalties occur on the lesser skill players. That’s part of the reason why they are not as good.

  32. Trash talk is going to be harder to narrow down than what constitutes a catch in the NFL.

    Some guys are clowns, and thrive on messing with their opponents mentally. When I say clowns, I mean they are almost comical with their “insults.”

    That being said, I don’t think there’s any room for direct vulgar language within earshot of the crowd, as these guys are professionals and we are all held to a higher standard when on the clock. But if any of you have been in a dog pile, or got your finger stepped on by a lineman, good luck holding back a word of questionable character.

    Would be a shame to see Von Miller get thrown out because Richie Incognito steps on him “accidentally” causing Miller to react in a way that gets him thrown out.

  33. Things like roughing the passer and late hits are often judgment calls. I’d hate to see a player get ejected for two ticky tack penalties that could have gone either way. The intent of the player committing the foul has to be taken into consideration when calling these penalties…especially if they’re going to get a player tossed from the game.

  34. Clearly there are penalties that occur that should fall under this category only: Penalties that occur after the whistle blows. Any penalties that occur during play such a face mask, defenseless receiver, any penalty that carries a question of doubt as to intent, should not be included. If someone comes up and kicks the qb after the play, yes. If someone throws a punch after the whistle yes. If he hits Tom Brady in the knee and it is during a play, no, that’s silly. Here we go legislating morality and determining intent of a player in a 5 second span. Any attempt to eject players for doing what happens between the whistles then they might as well throw out the flag football mentality and just let them wear dresses.

  35. We’ve seen so many horrendous calls. Do we really want to give the refs more power?

  36. Lots of talk about Burfict; lets not forget he hit AB with his shoulder on a play where Burfict might reasonably think Brown would make the catch, making Burficts hit a perfectly reasonable one.

    In that PIT v CIN game there were only 2 head-shots, Blake on Eifert and Shazier on Bernard.

    Its all well and good ejecting guys for 2 personal fouls, it all assumes the refs make the right calls in the first place…… and there have been too many non-calls in the last couple of seasons on Steeler players for head-shots; from Mike Mitchell, Antwon Blake and Ryan Shazier, that have resulted in concussion protocols for AJ Green, Tyler Eifert and Gio Bernard.

    We’ve heard a lot from the comp.committee about ‘The Burfict rule’ but there is plenty of clarication needed from the NFL on just why that head-shot by Shazier on Bernard wasn’t called; definitely the dirtiest play of the year…..

  37. 12brichandfamous says:
    Mar 17, 2016 10:56 AM

    3. Everybody assumes the person ejected is game changing star. Most personal foul penalties occur on the lesser skill players. That’s part of the reason why they are not as good.
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    Starters are more likely be ejected, because they see much more snaps. Being down a starter is a major disadvantage regardless of the position or talent level. They are starters for a reason.

  38. Shazier lead with the crown of his helmet and danced at midfield while the guy was laid out… I think that should merit an ejection or at least a flag on the hit.

  39. I don’t like this idea as there are a lot of questionable personal foul penalties–especially roughing the passer and hitting a defenseless player. We’ve seen some absurd ‘hitting a defenseless player’ calls–guys with the football are ALWAYS defenseless. That’s just a dumb penalty, period. Some players should be tossed for flagrant fouls, but this idea would probably result in some guys getting the boot for a couple of cheap penalties.

  40. buckeyeschad says:
    Mar 17, 2016 9:55 AM

    If a player gets 2 “flagrant’ type penalties – the second one should be a 15+5 yard penalty and the coach gets the option of either removing the player for the rest of the game or losing a time out. Your Welcome.
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    Let me help you…twice.

    It’s you’re welcome (1)

    “Flagrant” fouls are already an ejection…for one violation….depending on what it was. So you want to leave a guy in a game long enough to maybe commit a 3rd? Brilliant….you from MN? (2)

  41. Give the officials that we all think are incompetent, even more power to determine the outcome of games. Brilliant idea.

  42. tvguy22 says:
    Mar 17, 2016 10:14 AM

    So as soon as a guy gets a personal foul, he will be baited the rest of the game into getting the second one.
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    So what? If you’re making millions per year and providing for your family you should be mentally tough enough to handle any harassment.

  43. Which was why the Dolphins wouldn’t give Mr. Roughing the Passer Olivier Vernon 15 mil a year…as for that comment above about Suh, he got ZERO roughing the passer calls and ZERO ejections last year in Miami–maybe Detroit was the problem, not Suh?

  44. This is nothing more than an overreaction to the Bengals – Steelers game. Steelers fans laughing at the thought of not having to face Burfict, remember AB got 2 personal fouls before halftime against the Bengals in the final regular season matchup between those 2 teams.

  45. 3 PFs then an ejection I can get behind, but only 2? Some personal fouls believe it or not are accidental or unavoidable. For example, Its not always easy for a rusher to stop in time before hitting the QB. Plus the refs have applied those roughing the passer penalties extremely liberally the past few years. Its almost become discretionary. This new rule is terrible and will be a disaster.

  46. Just another way they are ruining football. What’s so hard about saying if you act like an ass or are head hunting your gonna be thrown out. It’s always been this way just now the refs are not taking control of the game. i think this is more of a ref problem than a player problem.

  47. the refrain from the fans is again: “the NFL is making the game weak”

    reality is that this is a great idea… no more ridiculous games where players are throwing cheap shots to unfairly knock out players or to slow the game down?

    it’s about time that they took that junk out of the game… red card time

  48. It would be the same as in the technical and flagrant foul rules in the NBA. It keeps fights, hits that intentionally hurt other players and trash talking out of the game and the game is better for it. I’m not sure how well it could be implemented in the NFL, but I like the idea in principle.

  49. I don’t think there should be a two strike rule as we’ve all seen many very questionable PF calls made and then there are instances where an immediate ejection should occur.

    I think ejections should only come from acts (fighting, punches thrown, kicking, and abusing an official after a warning is given) after the whistle and/or an OBVIOUS intent to injure another player. Ejections should come only on blatant intentional dirty acts. A hard hit or unintentional injury because a player puts himself in a bad position should not be cause for ejection.

  50. The problem is going to be the double standards of Goodell’s National Integrity League.

    The refs always seem to miss the guy who throws the first punch as well

    I can’t wait till all the cheating comments that come when a guy from one team is thrown out of a game but one from the opposing team who had the same infractions but they weren’t called is not thrown out.

    Goodell is VILE

    Goodell and his cronies must go

  51. somethinghappeninghere says:
    Mar 17, 2016 11:54 AM
    Which was why the Dolphins wouldn’t give Mr. Roughing the Passer Olivier Vernon 15 mil a year…as for that comment above about Suh, he got ZERO roughing the passer calls and ZERO ejections last year in Miami–maybe Detroit was the problem, not Suh?

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    Yeah, The Lions where the reason he stomped on 2 different players during his time here.

    Suh’s penalties had been down the last couple years, but as you referenced 2015’s amount being due to being on miami- he also didn’t make first team all pro and his sack total was down. Using your logic, that must be due to Miami as well.

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