Replay system could flip from reviewable plays to non-reviewable plays

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Ever since the NFL first embraced replay review, the league created a list of reviewable plays. All plays not on the list were not reviewable. Come Wednesday, the NFL could be flipping that presumption.

Per a source with knowledge of the discussions, momentum is building for the establishment of a clear list of non-reviewable plays, with all other plays and outcomes reviewable.

That’s the proposal submitted by the Ravens, and that’s the proposal that could end up carrying at least 24 votes when discussions conclude on Wednesday.

Having a list of reviewable plays has resulted in periodic embarrassments for the league, with clearly erroneous calls not subject to review — and with the NFL inevitably expanding the list of reviewable plays to include in future years the play that previously wasn’t on the list. Under Baltimore’s proposal, the league would identify the specific plays that can’t be reviewed, with all others subject to the current review process.

The Ravens have proposed that all calls are subject to review except offensive or defensive holding, offensive or defensive pass interference, illegal contact, illegal use of hands, whether a forward passer has been forcibly contacted, whether a defenseless receiver has been forcibly contacted, whether a kicker has been forcibly contacted, and unsportsmanlike conduct.

41 responses to “Replay system could flip from reviewable plays to non-reviewable plays

  1. Good grief. We all know this is eventually going to end up with all plays reviewable. Why drag this out?

  2. “The Ravens have proposed that all calls are subject to review except offensive or defensive Holding, offensive or defensive pass interference, illegal contact, illegal use of hands, whether a forward passer has been forcibly contacted, whether a defenseless receiver has been forcibly contacted, whether a kicker has been forcibly contacted, and unsportsmanlike conduct.”

    Why wouldn’t any of those – except unsportsmanlike conduct, which sometimes depends on the sensitivity of the official – be reviewable? Sure, they’re so-called judgement calls, but why does that mean they’re not reviewable? There aren’t rules defining pass interference that a replay official can apply? A replay can’t adequately show hands to the face?

  3. One change they do need to make is change the wording from “all scoring plays are automatically reviewed” to “all potential scoring plays are automatically reviewed”.

    That is, a controversial end zone catch is now only automatically reviewed if it is ruled a catch on the field but not if it was ruled incomplete. The play itself, not the call, should determine review status.

  4. Make pass interference reviewable which is what everyone wants. I guess they need to leave something to allow the refs to tilt the game when ordered to by the NFL.

  5. Make the roughing into the kicker reviewable too. It’s as much an acting job as pass interference/def. holding. Besides, how much do you really have to practice as a punter? Plenty of time to work on your Pro Soccer flops.

  6. WHY NOT HAVE PASS INTERFERENCE REVIEWABLE?

    I have seen the outcome of several games determined by terrible calls, because the QB just heaved it and what should have neen a non-call changed field position by 40 yards.

    I say, if a penalty results in a change of field position by 20 yards or more, it SHOULD BE reviewable.

  7. If we say, “all potential scoring plays are automatically reviewed”, then every single play in the game would be, by rule, automatically reviewed. Because, every single play in any game is a potential scoring play. Sorry, ya gotta work on your wording of that.

  8. And while I’m making sense of the senseless, defensive holding/illegal contact shouldn’t be automatic first down. Five yards and replay the down!

  9. So basically this is expanding replay to have facemasks, offside and delay of game as well as the dreaded illegal bat…

    Really big changes there. The biggest calls in a game are still non-re-viewable. But on the plus side we are going to see a team challenge that their own offense had a delay of game because the QB took a sack on the play.

  10. Doesn’t matter, the league will still find a way to screw the Raiders.
    The “tuck rule” was reviewed for 10 minutes and they still screwed it up.
    the F in NFL obviously stands for FIXED!!

  11. Even as simple as that explanation is there are still people here who just will never get it. What is being proposed isn’t rocket science and really doesn’t change much it just changes the rule from the 33 or so reviewable plays to instead be the 8 or 9 that aren’t reviewable. Just so the refs only have to learn the list of 8 penalties not reviewable instead of 33. You see they all have 8 fingers not counting thumbs and they can write one penalty on each finger so when the coach throws the red flag they can look at their fingers and see if it on the list of 8 penalties they can’t review. They don’t have 33 fingers and toes combined and that’s where the problem lies and the confusion and errors that cost teams 5 games last year. Either that or give them those spider suits that have 8 arms. I think that with the zebra stripes would look awesome with those fluorescent colored uniforms last year.

  12. I would like to see a “continuation of the play” in the replay. There are so many fumbles or other plays called dead because the whistle blew. Just like basketball, when the player is in motion, the play should continue.

    Even if the whistle blew at the start, the guy still dropped the ball.

  13. Pass interference is a no brainer. Teams just send two guys deep and 50% of the time get the call. Crappy way to gain 40 yards. Pass interference should be the FIRST call they change to reviewable. Seen many games outcomes changed by this one call and most of them were bad calls.

  14. They should get rid of instant replay and let the officials decide in the moment of the game.

    Just how many replays have the rest of you seen that got overturned and shouldn’t have been?

  15. All plays should be reviewable except for offensive holding. Thats the easiest play to see.

    All fumbles should be reviewed. Get rid of that stupid down by contact and whistle blew the play dead copout the NFL loves to use to fix gambling outcomes.

  16. Why even have officials on the field?

    Just have a video judge call penalties from the video review. 1 play every 2-3 minutes.

    The video judge would bust the officials union, could be bribed, and bring in more revenue from all television breaks.

    Eventually, have attorneys for both teams arguing on which aspect of the rule should apply on each play. We could have a week in court for each play and have year ’round 24 hour “football.”

    Then there will be the appeals to a play appellate court (members must never played football) and then appeal a play directly to the Commissioner.

    Don’t forget we will need a “Blue Ribbon” Review Board (of former politicians) to sweep all bad calls under the rug and have the public forget.

    It will be a whiner’s delight.

  17. The NFL is once again tinkering to fix an inherently flawed system…and their egos are too big to admit that the college replay system is far superior to their own.

  18. The only way I can see pass interference being overturned would be a case where the replay clearly showed the guy wasn’t even touched. But beyond that you’d just be trading the live judgment call for a guy making a judgment call watching the replay. Guaranteed they’d create as many controversies as they solved with that.

  19. I like the idea, however my only concern is that it games will drag along with more downtime than they currently do. 4 hour games with 1 hour of actual football. Sheesh…

  20. Pass interference is a no brainer. Teams just send two guys deep and 50% of the time get the call. Crappy way to gain 40 yards. Pass interference should be the FIRST call they change to reviewable. Seen many games outcomes changed by this one call and most of them were bad calls.
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    I agree, but I think the rule change needs to be a 15 penalty like college ball. Like you said, too many times a QB chucks it downfield and the team gets a huge gain off PI. The problem with reviewing it is this….and we’ve seen it happen with the whole “catch vs. non catch” stuff. Super slow motion reviews aren’t real time. They literally change the whole play. Why? Because in slo-mo, little ticky tack things get slowed down and magnified to the 1,000th degree. Handfighting between a DB and WR all of a sudden, in slow motion, looks like a fight to the death for the ball. Unless it is an egregious penalty like holding a jersey, a clear arm bar, or a DB not looking back and playing the ball…there is too much left up to the ref’s interpretation. The game isn’t played at 1 million frames per second. So, that said, make a compromise and either let ALL calls able to be challenged, or change PI to a 15 yard penalty. I’m sick of seeing 30-40 yar gains as a result of PI.

    And while we’re at it, it’s time to review offensive holding. Why? Bc a lot of times the O lineman just kills his defender and takes him to the ground. Holding is called. What?? Don’t penalize a lineman for doing his job. As for defensive holding on the line, ask Robert Mathis or Dwight Freeney how many times they’ve been held. I’ve seen outright fasemasks, tackling, chop blocks, etc. And if you think I’m a Colts homer…..then ask JJ Watt, Von Miller or others. I know that every plY has SOME form of holding and it’s impossible to enforce it all. But T least make the ridiculous cases reviewable….at full speed, not frame by frame

  21. steves11 says:
    Mar 22, 2016 9:00 PM
    What defines a “potential scoring play”? Aren’t ALL plays potential scoring plays?

    Not if you are the Browns, Rams, or Dolphins.

  22. So basically they’re suggested you can review all of the plays except the ones that cause lots of controversy. Holding and pass interference should absolutely be challengable. Tired of watching legit touchdowns get called back because of some BS phantom holding call on the other side of the field

  23. How is this tough?

    3 red flags per side that can review any play, a two man video review team who watch the replays we see at home on a 60″ 4k TV.

    They have about 1 minute to decide, if they don’t agree the call stands, otherwise it has to be mutual agreement. They radio their answer to the on field ref and the game resumes.

  24. ravenrich says:
    Mar 22, 2016 6:27 PM
    If we say, “all potential scoring plays are automatically reviewed”, then every single play in the game would be, by rule, automatically reviewed. Because, every single play in any game is a potential scoring play. Sorry, ya gotta work on your wording of that.
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    So you are going to equate a pass into the endzone ruled complete, but only one foot down to a player making a fair catch on a punt return??? If the “conclusion of the play” is in the end zone, it is a potential scoring play. If the conclusion of the play is 50 yards from the end zone, it was not a potential scoring play. Not sure if you are trying to be a wise guy, or if you aren’t too bright, but you swung and missed on that one. Seems pretty clear that replay is employed AFTER the play. So, you know, you will already know if the play had the potential to be a score before decided if it needs to be reviewed. If the play never comes close to the end zone, there is no reason to review it to see if it was a TD…

  25. Anything that has proved to be game changing year in and year out, such as pass interference, should be reviewable. Blown calls late in the 4th have completely screwed teams out of wins.

  26. This is why the league needs to simplify the rules of the game, right now they have it where a pass interference call decides outcomes of games, and some fans think this is “fishy” to put it mildly – you don’t have MLB getting together every year and adding 3-4 new rules?? The DB should be able to jam the reciever at the line, hand checking should be totally allowed, as long as one of the players doesn’t push off at the last second, and the penalty should be 15 yards. As far as the catch rule, I think if a player comes up with the ball without it hitting the ground – that should be a catch. If this ever happened you wouldn’t see lengthy delays because of replay review.

  27. If nothing else, let the referees have a person or two in the booth that can watch multiple angles and relay information seen to the officials on the field to help them make the right call.

  28. Pass interference can’t be reviewable because you could challenge non-calls. No one wants a game decided on a play where even though the pass was thrown to a guy five yards down the field and it was incomplete, but the team was awarded 50 yards for contact down the field that was not part of the play.

    It is the same idea with holding, illegal contact, and illegal use of hands. There are plays where these things occur away from the play and have no impact on the outcome, so refs choose not to call them. When reviewed it would show up clearly on the replay and the penalty would have to be called. It would cause more problems than it would fix.

  29. If they make pass interference a reviewable play how will the NFL be able to control outcomes of games? How does the least penalized team in the NFL in 2015 all of a sudden get 14 penalties in the super bowl? Oh because it was manning a last game… Due to the release of the Tennessee assault scandal coming to light… And the NFL didn’t want that in their hands… So give him his second ring and let him go away. Problem solved

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