Arbitration ruling could make Tom Brady’s case stronger

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The 54-page arbitration ruling regarding the NFL’s new Personal Conduct Policy contains a few paragraphs that could help Patriots quarterback Tom Brady in his ongoing fight with the league.

At page 37 of the decision appears an analysis on the question of whether the Commissioner may delegate to others certain disciplinary procedures within the confines of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Although the decision permits the Commissioner to assign certain aspects of the administration of the Personal Conduct Policy to an investigative/disciplinary officer, the decision from arbitrator Jonathan Marks makes clear the reality that the Commissioner cannot, in cases involving alleged conduct detrimental to the league, assign the responsibility of making the initial disciplinary decision to someone else.

That’s precisely what Commissioner Roger Goodell did in Brady’s case, handing the task of determining appropriate discipline of Brady to executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent.

Judge Richard Berman has not yet ruled on the question of whether the Brady discipline should be scrapped due to this breach of protocol. If/when the case ends up back in Judge Berman’s court for consideration of these lingering issues (or if the federal appeals court decides to address these open questions on its own), the reasoning of Arbitrator Marks could be influential.

Nothing Marks said about the issue is binding on the courts considering the Brady suspension. Still, with the NFL embracing the arbitration ruling and essentially declaring it a total victory, it will become a little awkward for the league to say “we love all of it except the parts we don’t” if the league is ever confronted with one or two specific pages of the 54-page document that it wishes weren’t in there.

59 responses to “Arbitration ruling could make Tom Brady’s case stronger

  1. Goodell assigned certain roles to Vincent to preserve his right to be the arbitrator in the case because he didn’t trust a neutral arbitrator to hand down the decision the NFL owners lobbied to get and Goodell’s obedient servants manufactured evidence to support.

    Kraft and Brady could both be heard saying: “Et tu, Roger”

  2. Does anyone doubt the reason Goodell supposedly delegated the Brady punishment decision was so that he could try to pass himself off as an unbiased arbitrator when Brady appealed the suspension?

  3. daysend564 says:

    So then, withdraw the punishment of 4 games suspended. Instead put him on the commissioner’s exempt list for 4 games. Problem solved….
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    He should have done that week one. On the Wednesday before the opening game.

  4. It`s hard to understand how the NFL could sign a CBA that everyone agreed was better for them than the players but yet they have lost every court case since because they can`t follow the things in the CBA they agreed too.The incompetence in the league office is stunning.They either don`t listen to their lawyers or their lawyers are the worst ever.

  5. No….
    He (Roger) should never have suspended Brady in the first place…
    & if Roger tried a sleazy move like that at this point it would go to immediate arbitration & Brady would be cleared…

  6. I don’t get the continued effort. Seems things would be better served if it were just left to die out. It’s not like anyone’s mind will be changed if the suspension is upheld or not.

    You’ve made yours up. I have too.

    Besides, my beef was always with the hysterical Patriots fans after their uniform silence on the other travesties of NFL ‘discipline’, expecting the world rally around them and Brady.

  7. Potentially good for Brady—-bad for the NFLPA. Basically, Brady may win out because the entire disciplinary process should have been done by Commissioner Goodell and not delegated. This is just opposite to what the NFLPA wants. The NFLPA wanted to have have Goodell’s authority and new policy provisions thrown out. They weren’t and in fact were boosted, except two areas retained in the arbitrators jurisdiction pending an opportunity given for the NFL and NFLPA to develop compromised new policy language.

    Long term, this was a big win for the NFL. Short term, this was a road map on how Brady may ultimately find relief in his single case…..If the appeals court agrees, that is.

  8. Tom Brady is clearly innocent and the courts will vindicate this. He deserves a massive payout from the NFL for the smearing of his good name.
    True Patriots demand an apology from the Commissioner and his immediate resignation.
    We further demand the return of the stolen Draft picks.
    Justice delayed is justice denied.

  9. Nothing will ever clear Brady. He may not serve his punishment, but that does mean he is innocent. He just another guy who got off on technicalities.

  10. The NFL has retreated to minutiae to try to uphold this punishment, despite the lack of any evidence of wrongdoing, whatsoever

  11. What a system.. The owners pay Roger to be their puppet and Roger hands it off to his own puppets.

    Roger the Dodger might be the most fitting nickname every. Every single time an unpopular decision comes down from the league he assigns one of his minions to deliver the news. This guy doesn’t have the mental capacity to take orders in a drive thru but the NFL pays him $40,000,000+ a year to ruin the league..

  12. Beady is retiring after this season so all this does not really matter. I think in no way does it even in the least tarnish Brady’s legacy.

  13. Yeah it sure would be a bombshell if the league contradicted itself and spit all over the CBA, the legal system, the players and the fans.

  14. Regardless of what happens, the player’s legacy will be tarnished and deservedly so. Only people in over-the-top denial buy what he and the organization are attempting to sell.

  15. Brady is going down as at least one of the top 2 QBs of all time, if not the GOAT. All the repetitive whining and posting will never change that. There is zero chance he retires after this year, even if he wins his 5th SBowl, which the Pats are favored to do, and rightly so. You guys are just peeing into the wind.

  16. Player on the Jets actually caught messing with football inflation: Suspended one game, organization not punished at all.

    Player on the Patriots suspected of having something to do with football inflation while supposedly in cahoots with another individual, which has been proven to be thanks to natural means and not tampering: Four game suspension, huge fine, docked draft picks.

    Yeah, seems legit.

  17. Regardless of his innocent/guilt, only the truly delusional believe that the NFL has PROVEN anything with regards to Brady/Deflategate. And it is these same truly delusional who comment on his “tainted legacy” when rational people don’t really care.

  18. The personal agenda by Roger Goodell against Brady represents a low point by far in his tenure as NFL commissioner. With zero evidence the balls were illegal and with the NFL never in history caring about the PSI of footballs before and after the Colts game, this whole incident shows very clearly a personal attack by Goodell and the other owners against the Patriots. It’s shameful in every way that the other owners could not put away their personal biases against the Patriots and just treat them fairly. Instead they tried to ruin Brady’s reputation by making up evidence and in general railroading and framing Brady. It really does look like Belichick and Brady have gotten under everyone’s skin. It’ll make it that much more rewarding if they can hoist another Lombardi.

  19. clickablecontent says:
    Apr 11, 2016 7:33 PM
    Didn’t the NFLPA pressure Goodell to delegate specifically because they believe he has too much power?
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    Not sure I get your question. If you’re talking about cases like Brady’s, they wanted to abrogate his right to arbitrate in situations of conduct detrimental to league integrity and instead appoint an independent external arbitrator. That’s not necessarily the same as delegating – which normally would be to one of his own staff, which the CBA expressly forbids and which the NFLPA isn’t wanting him to do.

    The reason they wanted this abrogation is because although the CBA allows him to arbitrate in “integrity” cases, he still has to act in a “fair” evenhanded manner (which he clearly didn’t in Brady’s case), and they never anticipated that Goodell would essentially turn everything into an “integrity” issue, and thus arbitrate everything if he wanted.

    Finally, in recent similar cases where he made the judgment, he agreed to then abrogate his arbitration power. But in Brady’s case, he delegated discipline to Vincent specifically to deflect the same argument that he should similarly step aside from arbitrating his own judgement again. But as we can now see, Marks has ruled that Goodell broke a central tenet of the CBA when he tried that trick.

  20. Fan boys, for all of you that believe Goodell has a personal vendetta hatred for your Tommy Boy, relax. As always, he only follows the majority vote of the 32 owners and it was the owners, 31 of them anyway, that got sick and tired of Kraft screwing them, his fellow business partners, by his serial cheating ways that caused the owners to go OJ on Bobby. If you caught your bud in bed with your gal, wouldn’t you unleash the hounds as well?

    Wake up fan boys. You are an embarrasment!

  21. williamshatnerstoupee says:
    Apr 11, 2016 8:19 PM
    Regardless of what happens, the player’s legacy will be tarnished and deservedly so. Only people in over-the-top denial buy what he and the organization are attempting to sell.

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    By “only people” are you one of the three people who gave you a thumbs up or 3 and you is 4?

  22. The Owners will just ignore the facts they don’t like

    If DeflateGate were a murder trial, Goodell would ignore the direct evidence of a live murder victim strolling into court, and assert that the “circumstantial” evidence shows that Brady is guilty of killing a guy who we have PROOF is not dead

    Regardless of what the court rules, the actual physical direct evidence supplied by the NFL itself, exonerates Brady – confirming why the NFL refuses to release PSI readings taken in games this past year

  23. If any side wins on a technicality in the Deflategate case it’s the league. The only way the league wins is if the judges let them hide behind article 46. Nothing that happened on that evening was ever worth more than a 5 figure fine and that’s if it was proven to be intentional, which hasn’t happened yet.

  24. williamshatnerstoupee says:
    Apr 11, 2016 8:19 PM

    Regardless of what happens, the player’s legacy will be tarnished and deservedly so. Only people in over-the-top denial buy what he and the organization are attempting to sell.
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    Will you be the first person that believes this scam to tell me how the Colt’s football’s tested below the legal PSI but weren’t “Deflated” and why do you believe the many lies that have been made by Goodell and the NFL throughout this frame job? You like so many are jealous haters whose “over-the-top denial” choose to believe the numerous and unproven lies of Goodell and ESPN!
    It still amazes me how jealous Patriot haters lose any ability to view facts and not lies and more importantly, how fans of 31 teams act like their team has never violated any rule or cheated. My name says it all if you click on it. Goodell has used this made up scam to divert attention from how he has mishandled so many situations but fans ignore them because he attacked and made up something on a team that isn’t proven and teams can’t beat so the jealous hating fans of the team grasp at his scam and support Roger. How many of you know that when the NFL was investigated in the Ray Rice scandal, Roger Goodell did not turn over his personal cell phone in the investigation but wanted Brady’s phone yet “Independent” Ted Wells didn’t want the phone but the phone records which Brady brought to his bogus appeal before Ayatollah Roger demanded the same personal cell phone he did not give up when he was investigated!!! I guess I am asking much for haters to examine that fact and put it together with the deflategate scam scandal that haters choose to support Roger because they don’t want facts to get in the way of their jealousy and hatred of the Pariots!
    A nickname is all you have haters have and explain how does it mean that it should be done to get below the legal PSI??? I guess Aaron Rodgers is the inflater but nobody cares because it didn’t matter because they haven’t beaten you team so much over the years like the Patriot’s have! Cue the usual trolls or maybe this post will be deleted without explanation from PFT!

  25. limakey says:
    Apr 11, 2016 6:54 PM
    Nothing will ever clear Brady. He may not serve his punishment, but that does mean he is innocent. He just another guy who got off on technicalities.

    What technicalities would they be? Berman directly asked the NFL what direct proof do you have Mr Brady was involved. Their answer was we don’t! That does not sound like a technicality to me.

    People like you should just be honest. You don’t like the Patriots, you don’t like Brady, you don’t like Belichick and quit hanging your hatred on things that cannot be proven without reasonable doubt existing!!!

  26. xilikemenx says:
    Apr 11, 2016 9:21 PM
    Fan boys, for all of you that believe Goodell has a personal vendetta hatred for your Tommy Boy, relax. As always, he only follows the majority vote of the 32 owners and it was the owners, 31 of them anyway, that got sick and tired of Kraft screwing them, his fellow business partners, by his serial cheating ways that caused the owners to go OJ on Bobby. If you caught your bud in bed with your gal, wouldn’t you unleash the hounds as well?

    Wake up fan boys. You are an embarrasment!

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    I can see that xilikemenx really has the pulse of the fans sentiment.

  27. Vincent has been at the center of this all along. He loves to talk to the media, and clearly leaked the bad info to Mortensen. If Curran and Barstool did some digging, they would find that Vincent, not Kensil, was the bagman in this whole sorted affair.

  28. Limakey says nothing will clear Tom, yet MIT professor John Leonard has . The article was in the NY Times in January. 60 minutes sports has also exonerated Tom, not to mention middle school science fairs across New England.

  29. xilikemenx says:
    Apr 11, 2016 9:21 PM
    Fan boys, for all of you that believe Goodell has a personal vendetta hatred for your Tommy Boy, relax. As always, he only follows the majority vote of the 32 owners and it was the owners, 31 of them anyway, that got sick and tired of Kraft screwing them, his fellow business partners, by his serial cheating ways that caused the owners to go OJ on Bobby.

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    Read the NFL bylaws. They describe the commissioner’s responsibilities and the authority that office holds. They also describe the role of member clubs and the Executive committee. Nowhere do the bylaws say that ANY discipline of a player is to be by a vote of member clubs. In fact, in most cases, discipline of players, member clubs and league employees is at the SOLE discretion of the commissioner.

    What has happened is that Goodell has sold his soul in order to keep that salary. If he was truly acting based on the bylaws, he would be making sound decisions regardless of what ‘powerful’ owners want him to do.

    The commissioner is tasked with running the league. There are certain things that member clubs vote on…..player discipline and discipline of other member clubs are not on that list.

  30. Considering Brady did absolutely nothing and was a victim of Ted Wells’ fraud, I don’t think anything makes his case “stronger”. He is a victim and anyone who doesn’t think so is a misinformed dolt with an agenda that didn’t read any of the reports, rebuttals or analises.

  31. @345SnarkAvenue

    You’ve nailed it, as have I and others.

    This is about money and greed.

    Without parity and an over-satrurated market, Goodell’s salary is less from 2016 and beyond, hoping he gets re-elected.

    However, if he gets Jax in London, maybe they become good in 2 years with Bortles, back into a wild card in 2018, investors may buy.

    When the owners say “we’re seeing unprecedented growth and revenue, that’s only partially true.

    From 2011-2015 they maxed out their ROI on the CBA.

    It’s why they are even mentioning teasing a game in flipping China!

    Kraft has no choice under the Bylaws but to sit there and do nothing because he’s tied to 3o other owners (not counting GB).

    It’s so simple. Follow the money and you get your answers.

    What is Goodell’s ONLY selling point if the league flatlines now?

    PARITY

    The only way to instill investor confidence is if the product can sell early and often in London AND grow.

    Otherwise, it’s a wasted investment.

    The Pats have been strung up in front of the public with lies to weaken them so Goodell can achieve a parity.

    The financials are better under the CBA with parity.

    Right now he doesn’t have it.

    NE goes to its 6th straight conf title game in 2016 barring major injury.

    The only way to cheat the Pats is to manufacture rules violations, sell it to the public in a framed way, get the vultures riled up, and voila, you can attempt to weaken the Pats.

    Proven fact at this point. He did the exact same thing with Spygate.

    Kraft, BB, Brady, Pats fans, we all know that this exists and has existed since Spygate.

    Wait until BB and Brady write their bios….LMAO.

    Goodell will be handcuffs.

  32. At a time when most QB’s are long gone, and fans across the country, and especially the AFC East, are anxiously waiting for Tom to retire, he seems to be ascending to another level of performance where his physical conditioning is concerned, making it likely he will make good, to a great degree, on his desire to continue to play beyond the time most… if not all QB’s are effective players in the NFL. That’s got to hurt.

  33. “Nothing will ever clear Brady. He may not serve his punishment, but that does mean he is innocent. He just another guy who got off on technicalities.”

    Yes, that pesky technicality of the league not actually proving anything and outside itself as a pack of inveterate liars in the process. The league’s entire case rests on two text messages taken out of context and a destroyed phone, but Brady might not be suspended based on ‘technicalities’. Hilarious.

  34. Neil, the Wells Report and the NFL said from the very beginning that they had no direct evidence of Brady’s involvement. They never denied that. They were the first to say it. However, if you put so much stock in what a judge says, your head must be spinning by what the other judges have said. That there was overwhelming evidence that the balls were tampered with, that the reason Brady gave for destroying his cell phone makes no sense and that anybody or everybody knows that once Brady destroyed his phone, it raised the stakes. Tom Brady has not produced or provided any evidence that he was not involved. He did use the AEI Report in his appeal but that was shot down.

  35. limakey says:
    Apr 12, 2016 4:51 PM
    Neil, the Wells Report and the NFL said from the very beginning that they had no direct evidence of Brady’s involvement. They never denied that. They were the first to say it. However, if you put so much stock in what a judge says, your head must be spinning by what the other judges have said. That there was overwhelming evidence that the balls were tampered with, that the reason Brady gave for destroying his cell phone makes no sense and that anybody or everybody knows that once Brady destroyed his phone, it raised the stakes. Tom Brady has not produced or provided any evidence that he was not involved. He did use the AEI Report in his appeal but that was shot down.
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    Last we knew, the burden of proof was on the accusers, not the accused. It’s neat to have a lot of speculation and accusations about Brady and the Patriots, but that doesn’t prove anything. The only judge that has made an official ruling slapped Goodell and the NFL around. One other judge said there was overwhelming evidence, but not even the real experts, (not ESPN) know why he said this. Does he truly believe it or was he looking for the reaction by the lawyers and testing their response to the accusation.
    No one knows for sure yet…

    What we do know, is Goodell et al have been exposed and PROVEN to be liars several times in this process. All the trolls can do is “speculate” and fantasize about Brady lying.

    Two words – Prove It!

    You can’t.

    Patriots, TB12 and Patriot Fans win again! Sorry…

  36. asparatame says:
    Apr 11, 2016 6:32 PM
    I don’t get the continued effort. Seems things would be better served if it were just left to die out.
    Besides, my beef was always with the hysterical Patriots fans after their uniform silence on the other travesties of NFL ‘discipline’, expecting the world rally around them and Brady.
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    “Hysterical Patriots fans” noted by their “Uniform Silence”???

    Uniform Silence, not months of trolling other fan bases with speculation, opinions and unproven accusations.

    Now that the public opinion tide is turning, the trolls just “Don’t get the continued effort…” and want it to just go away. Sorry, Roger will continue to be exposed at every turn.

    You’ve been duped by a liar and master marketer…Try and get over that.

  37. Big Bear, the NFL met their burden of proof. The science was done, experiments were done and it found that the balls measured below limits, even taking the idea gas law into effect. Brady was allowed to challenge it and he did, but his expert did no experiments and all the factors he thought that did not going into the NFL’s report were taken into consideration. While they science has been called flimsey, it still has not been successfully proven to be wrong. Now we get to the texts, we have a ball boy threatening to over inflate balls because he is pissed at Tom, he tested that the only thing that would be deflating is Tom’s passing rates. Then he refers to himself as the deflater and isn’t going to ESPN yet. Is any reasonable person going to believe that he called himself the deflator because of his weight? He was going to ESPN because he was stealing from the Pats? Who is going to believe that?

  38. There is no fantasy about Brady lying. He has either out right lied or he has given some many different answers to the same question, it is impossible to know when he is telling the truth.

  39. limakey says:
    Apr 12, 2016 5:51 PM
    Big Bear, the NFL met their burden of proof. The science was done, experiments were done and it found that the balls measured below limits, even taking the idea gas law into effect. Brady was allowed to challenge it and he did, but his expert did no experiments and all the factors he thought that did not going into the NFL’s report were taken into consideration. While they science has been called flimsey, it still has not been successfully proven to be wrong. Now we get to the texts, we have a ball boy threatening to over inflate balls because he is pissed at Tom, he tested that the only thing that would be deflating is Tom’s passing rates. Then he refers to himself as the deflater and isn’t going to ESPN yet. Is any reasonable person going to believe that he called himself the deflator because of his weight? He was going to ESPN because he was stealing from the Pats? Who is going to believe that?

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    Wow. This is worse fan fiction than 50 Shades of Gray.

  40. limakey says:
    Apr 12, 2016 6:45 PM
    There is no fantasy about Brady lying. He has either out right lied or he has given some many different answers to the same question, it is impossible to know when he is telling the truth.
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    More fiction. Where did he lie? What “different” answers did he give? Please.

  41. limakey says:
    Apr 12, 2016 4:51 PM
    Neil, the Wells Report and the NFL said from the very beginning that they had no direct evidence of Brady’s involvement. They never denied that. They were the first to say it. However, if you put so much stock in what a judge says, your head must be spinning by what the other judges have said. That there was overwhelming evidence that the balls were tampered with, that the reason Brady gave for destroying his cell phone makes no sense and that anybody or everybody knows that once Brady destroyed his phone, it raised the stakes. Tom Brady has not produced or provided any evidence that he was not involved. He did use the AEI Report in his appeal but that was shot down.

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    Well aside from you seeming to think the NFL and Wells are a beacon of integrity by mischaracterizing how it came about that they had no direct evidence, you should realize that while any interpretation about Berman’s questions were rendered moot by his ruling which laid forth exactly what he thought. Some of that was contrary to the questions he asked in court. As the 2nd Court has not issued their ruling, interpreting the questions of the judges has all the exactness of Shroedinger’s Cat.

  42. The NFL convincing everyone to deny science so they can justify taking away the Patriots draft picks because they win too much is about the same as not keeping score in youth sports. If the Patriots don’t get their draft picks back then please retire the Lombardi trophy and replace it with a participation trophy. For all you haters, there is no glory in your team winning after the NFL intentionally handicaps the Patriots in the next two drafts in the name of league parity.

  43. Please explain why was a crew of referees was only able to gauge 12 of the Patriots balls and 4 of the Patriots balls during a 15 minute half time break? (The “Patriots cheated” haters claim that Jim McNally both “deflated” & gauged 12 balls in 90 seconds. Makes is seem like the NFL stopped checking after the first 4th Colts balls because the results were indicating that both teams balls had lost pressure due to the cold and rainy weather conditions. In law they call that “exculpatory evidence” and it is not supposed to be ignored.

    Remember according to what some claim Jim McNally did – the NFL should have been able to check 24 balls in less than 3 minutes. Plus the NFL didn’t have to take the extra time to remove any air. (Only had 8 more Colts balls left to check so what harm would taking less than 60 seconds more to check the remaining 8 balls to preserve the integrity of the game? Show one more commercial if you have to.

  44. Here’s what NFL & ESPN convinced the headline reading/watching masses to believe – On Jan 18, 2015 a Patriots 48 year old overweight ball boy named Jim McNally, displayed superhuman speed and dexterity while accomplishing the following in just 90 seconds:

    Start the clock — Jim McNally was filmed entering a bathroom and was then able to remove 12 footballs from a large bag and gauge them and then remove a precise amount of air from each of the 12 balls. He would have to gauge each ball again to verify that all 12 would all have the same pressure. (If he removed much air from a ball he would have to insert a pump and add air and gauge again). In those same 90 seconds McNally was also able to run across the football field unseen by anyone or the video camera outside the bathroom and locate the unattended Indianapolis Colts football bag. Then using the same psychic powers McNally had already used to predict the NFL sting, he selected the same 4 footballs that would later be checked by the NFL during half time. After gauging them and removing a precise amount from 3 of the 4 balls and gauging the pressure again he glanced at his watch he saw that he only had 10 seconds left so he didn’t have time to do the 4th ball. So he put them all back in the bag. Then with just 9 seconds remaining he sprinted back across the field unseen by anyone or the video camera outside the bathroom so that he could use the remaining time to catch his breath and then exit the bathroom while moving slow enough for the video camera to capture his image at precisely 90 seconds. — Stop the clock.

    Believing that McNally has superhuman & psychic ability is far more believable than accepting that a 48 year old guy might want to take 90 seconds to relieve himself & wash his hands before watching a 2+ hour football game. Or being able to comprehend that leaving a bag of NFL footballs worth over $1200 unattended on the ground outside a bathroom, when they are going to be needed for a nationally televised game in a few minutes, while you take a leak might be a bad idea. (Occam’s razor suggests that he took a leak)

    It must be easier for the uneducated and or biased masses to accept superhuman and psychic powers of McNally while denying a scientifically accepted law that explains that the pressure in footballs or car tires or any sealed container is lowered when the temperature drops. It’s not “deflation” because no air escapes, it’s just a lowering of the pressure of the air still in the container. (PV = nRT)

    The NFL knows that basic science is way too complicated for the low performers on the left side of the bell curve so Goodell will confiscate draft picks while hiding behind the “deflation” farce. The NFL is helped by a small volunteer army of biased low performers that continue to repeat false information in online posts.

    On a side note — why does my car have a tire pressure indicator, is someone removing air from my tires — and why does this air removing miscreant seem to always wait for the 1st really cold day of the year to remove the air and set off my cars tire pressure indicator? According to the NFL and intellect challenged masses someone had to do it and it can’t be explained by science or weather.

  45. sonjuju, what were the orignal reasons that Brady’s agent gave for him to not turn over any cell phone texts or emails in relation to deflategate? What did Tom Brady say why he destroyed his cell phone on his facebook page? What were his answers in his appeal hearing? You tell me why he destroyed his cell phone. You explain to me why both JJ and JM said that not only did Tom Brady know who JM was but what his job was and why Tom Brady said he onlly knew his face. No name, did know his role in the organization? You explain it.

  46. While they science has been called flimsey, it still has not been successfully proven to be wrong.
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    Wow. There is delusional and then there is extremely delusional. NOBODY believes the Exponent/Wells/Pash Report except you. It has been sufficiently discredited by the intelligent masses but you cling to its faulty conclusions and flat lies as gospel from Lord Goodell, The Liar on High. Don’t you ever get tired of claiming the same nonsense that everybody laughs at over and over again? You’re embarrassing yourself (again).

  47. youknow, what report did the Pats’ submitt to rebut the NFL’s findings? That would be the AEI report that did not hold up. What team of experts has either Kraft or Brady hired to refute the NFL’s findings? What reports have the Pats or Brady’s submitted to the NFL that disproved the NFL’s findings? Are we to believe Kraft did not the money to hire a team? Are we to believe Brady did not have the money? Granted Kraft had the money. I am sure Tom could have borrowed a few bucks from his wife if he was short.

  48. While they science has been called flimsey, it still has not been successfully proven to be wrong.
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    You do know that the company (Exponet) that did the science for the NFL is also the company that researched/defended the science for the tobacco companies. Their findings were that 2nd hand cigarette smoke isn’t harmful!

    Exponet gets paid a lot of money to skew their findings to back up their clients statements in court proceedings. They’re a real ethical organization, aren’t they?

  49. limakey says:
    Apr 12, 2016 8:20 PM
    youknow, what report did the Pats’ submitt to rebut the NFL’s findings? That would be the AEI report that did not hold up. What team of experts has either Kraft or Brady hired to refute the NFL’s findings? What reports have the Pats or Brady’s submitted to the NFL that disproved the NFL’s findings? Are we to believe Kraft did not the money to hire a team? Are we to believe Brady did not have the money? Granted Kraft had the money. I am sure Tom could have borrowed a few bucks from his wife if he was short.

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    Brady/NFLP did not need to submit a rebuttal report. Independent scientists have refuted the science in the Wells report. The NFL moved away from the science (as has anyone with 2 or more working brain cells) and their attorney stated that the NFL can offer “no direct proof”. So it boils down to the NFL offices think Brady had something to do with it but that’s it. Everything else is propaganda.

    Once the NFL failed in actually proving their accusations directly or circumstantially the NFL decided to truly test Article 46. That is why the NFL pre-emptively filed in NY. Even if they lost in the lower court (which they did in spectacular fashion) it was the NFL’s best shot for appeal.

    So stop begging for Brady and the Patriots to go away/be suspended, whatever. Hopefully your team can man-up like the Broncos or the Giants or even the Ravens and beat the Patriots because as long as Brady and Belichick are there the Patriots are in the hunt with plenty of ammo.

    PATRIOTS FAN SINCE ’75

  50. SJ, I truly believe that Brady did cheat and he destroyed evidence. I do believe he deserves to be suspended. And I can honestly tell you, if you kept everything the same and it was Peyton, Aaron, Drew, Eli or Ben or any other qb, I would feel exactly the same way. Can you honestly say the same?

  51. Limakey is the kind of guy amazed that the light in the fridge comes on any time the door is opened, and he truly believes Brady cheated.

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