Chiefs’ failed appeal proves Pats had no chance, either

AP

Unlike the Patriots a year ago after being stripped of draft picks in the #DeflateGate case, the Chiefs filed an appeal in an effort to get back the draft picks they lost for communicating directly with receiver Jeremy Maclin during the pre-free agency negotiating period. Like the Patriots, the Chiefs are still losing their picks.

The decision of the Chiefs to push the issue, while admirable, had the same end result: The Chiefs didn’t get their picks back. And the Patriots also wouldn’t have gotten their picks back. Which is why the Patriots chose not to try.

More specifically, the Patriots chose not to try because owner Robert Kraft hoped that a decision to exercise discretion regarding the punishment imposed on the team would secure extra consideration for quarterback Tom Brady in the appeal of his four-game suspension. That wasn’t the case, but it doesn’t change the fact that the Patriots would have gotten nowhere with an appeal.

So why, you may ask, has Brady managed to have success in his legal fight against the league? Brady is represented by a union, which has finagled certain rights that the union has chosen to enforce in the court system. Teams have far less rights and far less inclination to take the league to court, since suing the league is the same thing as suing the business partners of the team’s owner.

Plenty of Patriots fans continue to believe the team should have fought (if only to get the satisfaction that comes from fighting). Still, the Patriots would have gained nothing by fighting. They could have gained something by not fighting. Even though they didn’t, it was still the right call.

60 responses to “Chiefs’ failed appeal proves Pats had no chance, either

  1. Well that seems fair.

    Kind of defeats the purpose of an appeal…?

    Why do they even have them?

  2. ^ down vote for sure.

    **why is the team that was clearly impacted during the tampering not receiving any compensation for a player they lost due to that tampering?

    would a lawsuit help that?

  3. Big difference between the Chiefs & the Pats situation. The Chiefs were actually guilty of a crime. There was no crime committed regarding the Pats.
    There was no tampering , just the laws of physics at play.

  4. I have no problem with Kraft trying to get a fair outcome for Brady; but, it makes me sick to my stomach every time I see a picture of the two of them together laughing and smiling. You want to make Pats fans happy, Robert–work hard and loudly to get Herr Goodell fired!

  5. The shameful part of the Chiefs losing draft picks is that the league office carefully avoided investigating the Jets in order to make an example of the Chiefs (not the Jets) on the tampering rule. The Chiefs chose not to litigate to avoid the public relations machine that is now the league office. No facts are necessary. It is set up to sway public opinion and enforce that which the league office prefers. Not a sport of integrity. Only a sport of greed (and spin doctoring). Roger Goodell does not possess the capabilities to fulfill the job of the commissioner as set forth in the CBA, so he has built a public relations machine to spin his way around this fundamental truth.

  6. Kraft’s move would have worked on a reasonable Commissioner who cared about the overall welfare of the league. But such a Commissioner would never have let such an idiotic complaint snowball into a $5 million investigation that blew up in the league’s face in the first place. Even though the Chiefs’ appeal didn’t change the outcome, the Chiefs clearly learned by watching that, and it is hard to believe any team trusts Goodell anymore.

  7. This surprise me. I would have thought any other team would have had success during an appeal. I say that with the firm belief that Goodel hasn’t had an original thought since infancy when he discovered his hands and feet. He certainly hasn’t had one as Commish with the other owners hands up his backside making the dummy talk

  8. Kraft cheated his business patterns for many years and that is 100% fact, the chiefs have nothing to do with it. The Pats are now reaping what they sowed.

  9. Fighting Goodell in court would have exposed the NFL’s FIFA-like tactics and corruption. One has to wonder if the Full 32 approves of Goodell’s all consuming power beyond player discipline. As it stands, Goodell has final say over owners without recourse. Why would ownership allow such a one sided system of absolute power to continue? Time for the owners to reestablish the order of power.

  10. I think its been stated multiple times the owners dont have a union like the players do. Which is why Brady was able to his appeal (in court), but it would be very difficult for the owners to win such a thing. Also Goodell would never rule himself incorrect on any appeal, the Chiefs are lucky they got a reduction in their fines, even it was minuscule in their eyes.

  11. For the teams an appeal is nothing more than a dog and pony show for their fans. So they can say, “See, we tried.” Kraft is a self made man, he is far more practical than birth lottery winner Hunt, hence his pick your fights carefully go along to get along mentality. As for Pats fans being upset with Kraft, he is more than aware of the reservoir of goodwill he has with his fan base overall, a few yahoos and a whack job Maine attorney not withstanding.

  12. With all of the tampering that has been swept under the rug every year, I still do not understand why the league decided to air it out on the Chiefs.

    Clark Hunt is 100% correct on the selective enforcement.

  13. I’ll bet the Chief fans quit whining about it before the Pats fan quit whining about being caught.

  14. Brady is missing some games this season, hopefully 1-4. You can’t escape the long arms of Roger !!

  15. Florio, I get your point. Lawyers typically are pragmatic. However, that doesn’t change the fact that the league took draft picks from an organization that had done nothing wrong. They have/will change(d) the competitive balance in the league and especially in the AFC East.

    What gets me is that they get away with it. No recourse? Really? Fine. But there then should at least be cause. The right thing to do here is to give the picks back to New England. I get that the owners direct Goodell. Are they all this stupid? The NFL is a lot like America. Total lack of leadership and doing the right thing. In this case, New England has been unfairly punished for something that wasn’t done. And they have to live with it because……….why? I can tell you the NFL is on its way to collapse, Mark Cuban was right. Those fans of my age(50’s) are fed up with the changes in the game already and there aren’t the diehard fans replacing us. Too many other options out there for folks. Casual fans will not support the NFL the way people like me have. It makes me feel terrible. Football was the one sport I truly loved…and it’s corrupted and dying.

    I supported Goodell early on…trying to clean up the game. But his smugness and being totally out of touch with the fans and reality have made me actually despise the man. Does he not know how hypocritical he sounds when he talks about integrity? Do none of the owners know that?

    A former NFL and GB Packers fan.

  16. When it comes to how discipline is applied by the league the only constant is their inconsistency and their relative inflexibility once they have decided on a course of action. Rather like a bad parent

  17. I think the continuation of this debacle is absurd. What does Roger really hope to gain? Suspend a marquis player for an act that he may have been generally aware of, and is more likely than not? He thinks that will be well received?

    Is anybody surprised that the NFL elected not to release the findings from the pressure checks this year? And sure, everybody believes it was just to see that all teams are in compliance with proper ball inflation.

    I hate the fact that the NFL believes that we, as fans, are stupid enough to swallow this.

  18. The Patriots should have been fined 25,000 at the most because Brady probably told the ball guys “don’t ever let the referees inflate the balls to 16 pounds again”. The 16 psi was the one and only time psi was ever mentioned by Patriot personnel…Also just happened to be at the Jets game..Goodell’s team…The Revis tampering should have resulted in massive losses for the Jets but once again you know Goodell’s rule..If it’s the Jets ignore it!

  19. Brady is a cheater deserving of being kicked out of the league for a minimum of a year. No matter how much the Kraft Foundation pays for propoganda, that fact will never change.

  20. mjdkid100 says:
    Apr 19, 2016 10:30 AM

    Well that seems fair.

    Kind of defeats the purpose of an appeal…?

    Why do they even have them?
    ———————
    I recall reading last year that normally a team fine and penalty could not be appealed but Roger graciously (hah) gave Kraft a 7 day window to do so. It seemed fairly specious to me as clearly Goodell would not change the ruling, but I do wish that Kraft had done it anyway.

  21. Given the overwhelming albeit circumstantial evidence put forth against the Patriots, it made perfect sense for Mr Kraft to accept the NFL punishment. Any appeal attempts would have been to placate some vocal fans who are still angry about Deflategate. Mr Kraft is in a no win situation but I fully support him.

  22. Nothing new here. Same old Goodell the Narcissist. Has all the owners fooled into thinking they are controlling him when in fact it’s the other way around. But he doesn’t have a majority. Once the owners catch on and realize they dislike being duped by Goodell more than they dislike each other, they will vote him out. But like any grouping of influential people, the owners hate to be one upped by their peers and only put up with it when they make so much money that it’s worth the ridicule. And right now, they are making obscene amounts of money and the foreseeable future has a lot of very lucrative untapped markets. So you probably won’t see any of the owners jumping off the bandwagon just yet.
    But let Goodell put egg on the face of Jerry Richardson who has already nixed his family from inheriting the team or Paul Allen who doesn’t suffer fools very well and money is not why he is in this game and watch how quickly Goodell is thrown out on the street.
    It’s funny, you know. Goodell has been salivating like Pavlov’s dogs for anything NFL since he was just a kid. But he has never really been accepted as one of the boys and he doesn’t even know it. Sad man, sad life. But the saddest thing is how he is ruining the NFL.

  23. No matter how much the Kraft Foundation pays for propoganda, that fact will never change.

    That would be the Kraft Foundation that has nothing to do with Robert Kraft?

    Seriously, the haters are terrible keeping track of facts. It was literally less than 24 hours between the time somebody noticed that the Kraft Foundation contributes to the AEI and somebody else noticed that Robert Kraft has nothing to do with the Kraft Foundation (hint: he also has nothing to do with Kraft cheese). And that was all discovered last summer.

    Some people only hear what they want to hear.

  24. If the Patriots appealed they would have lost. Goodell said as much. Kraft couldn’t sue the league after that, so there was no real recourse.

  25. patsfan says:
    Apr 19, 2016 10:58 AM
    With all of the tampering that has been swept under the rug every year, I still do not understand why the league decided to air it out on the Chiefs.
    =====================
    Maybe Hunt didn’t support the deflatgate witch hunt? That is some info I would love to know

    Also, the haters have pointed that Kraft’s lack of appeal was proof of guilt. Now you say it was proof that he knew that it was better to just move on? The haters are flabbergasted right now

  26. Given the overwhelming albeit circumstantial evidence put forth against the Patriots, it made perfect sense for Mr Kraft to accept the NFL punishment.

    Evidence included
    – Text messages indicating balls should be inflated to 13.0 psi
    – Text messages indicating that balls were over-inflated during Jets’ game.
    – Text messages indicating that Brady wanted refs specifically shown rules saying that balls should be between 12.5 and 13.5 psi.

    None of that is consistent with an “active scheme” to tamper with footballs.

    Even the “circumstantial” evidence favors the Patriots. And any “circumstantial” evidence to the contrary is outweighed by the direct evidence that shows that the footballs weren’t even tampered with last January.

    Once you realize the pressure measurements don’t show tampering, there is literally nothing left to investigate. Text messages by themselves cannot create a rules violation.

  27. Completely different situations. Pats have a long, sustained and proven history of abuse and cheating. Brady and Pats were guilty, again, it was proven.
    Pats go down as all ** wins unfortunately for the League and fans of Beantown.

  28. crush22 says:
    Apr 19, 2016 10:34 AM
    Pictured are 3 of the 17 people who showed up for the *Free Brady* rally.
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    Okay, so I despise your team and consider you a worst offender Patriots hating troll but I will always give props to witty posts. This was a good one. That rally was almost as embarrassing as those dolts who sued the NFL. But that’s it. That’s all you get. Now, back to mutual haters.

  29. Expecting Roger Goodell to be honest, fair, just, and to do the right thing…

    is like expecting that holder Lucy Van Pelt will not pull the football back as Charlie Brown tries to kick it.

  30. While I agree that fighting within the NFL offices was futile for both the Chiefs and Pats, I continue to believe that both teams should have (and still may) engage the other owners to overturn the rulings. If the majority of the NFL employers told the NFL to change a decision, Goodell would have no choice. Even the initiation of a campaign to protect Brady by engaging the other owners would rescue Kraft’s reputation that has taken such abuse over the past months. I wonder how the NFL advertisers will feel if Brady is suspended for games they are supporting.

  31. You can say the NFL is wildly inconsistent in enforcement, and they had a chance… or they are consistent, and they didn’t have a chance, but you cant have it both ways.

  32. Its very clear if you are one of Goodell’s cronies you wont’ suffer penalties for much of anything.

    If you are one of the teams on his hit list you will get screwed over and over again.

    Goodell’s National Integrity League

    Goodell is VILE

    Goodell and his cronies must go

  33. With all of the tampering that has been swept under the rug every year, I still do not understand why the league decided to air it out on the Chiefs.
    *************************************
    The Chiefs were singled out because they are the known model franchise therefore other teams (Raiders, Saints, Patriots so far .. ) can’t cry favoritism

  34. The Patriots didn’t have a chance the moment Goodell told the ball boys that their testimony under oath at the appeal hearing was not wanted. Says it all doesn’t it? This was never at any point about finding out the truth about what did or didn’t happen that night.

    No this was all about a weak Kommissioner bowing to a group of owners who don’t like Kraft and hate seeing the Patriots win all the time. They knew their puny little team isn’t man enough to put in the effort to beat the Patriots on the field so they pounced on an opportunity to weaken the Patriots through the league.

    Nothing more.

    Nothing less.

    Makes me chuckle when I think about it. 🙂 How embarrassing it must be to be a fan of those wussy teams.

    🙂

  35. By now you’d have to be an ignorant moron to think the Pats did anything wrong. It’s been (scienificaly) proven the league (and 31 owners) framed the Pats.

    The owners (and the league office guys that worked for the Jets) all wanted what the Pats have: “SUCCESS”. They were just too incompetent to achieve it.

  36. The timing of this is very suspicious. Philly would have filed a complaint LAST YEAR at this time, so why did it take all year to see when Reid contacted Maclin?

    It didn’t. They’ve been sitting on this for a while and then used the timing of it to their perceived advantage.

    Note how he released the punishment after the NFL’s appeal with Deflategate.

    That’s not a coincidence.

    He over-punished the Chiefs (after under-punishing the criminal NY Jets for the same crime) because he wanted to show he was tough on other AFC franchises, so it wouldn’t appear he wasn’t just hammering NE for the Deflategate LIE.

    He’s doing this to try to seem objective in front of judges Katzmann, Chin and Parker.

    That’s why he did a little $ reduction, but no draft pick reduction.

    The fact is, this guy’s criminal activity as commissioner is so beyond reality, the Feds may need to step in because it’s become clear, he rules based on how he wants to manipulate the league, for his and other owners’ agendas.

    Goodell wants more parity, KC is good, and obviously NE is phenomenal with no signs of slowing down.

    So, this is actually fraud towards the NFL customer.

    Bernie Madoff did this with his client base and now sits in a jail 205 minutes from me.

    Goodell needs to join him.

    Kinda funny how the other pro sports leagues see nothing like this whatsoever, isn’t it?

    Hmm.

  37. As part of being an owner there is a contractual agreement that you expose your right to own a team if you sue the NFL (other owners). Kraft would never risk losing the team. What good would an appeal do. None.

  38. otheirony says:
    Apr 19, 2016 11:00 AM
    Florio, I get your point. Lawyers typically are pragmatic. However, that doesn’t change the fact that the league took draft picks from an organization that had done nothing wrong. They have/will change(d) the competitive balance in the league and especially in the AFC East.

    What gets me is that they get away with it. No recourse? Really? Fine. But there then should at least be cause. The right thing to do here is to give the picks back to New England. I get that the owners direct Goodell. Are they all this stupid? The NFL is a lot like America. Total lack of leadership and doing the right thing. In this case, New England has been unfairly punished for something that wasn’t done. And they have to live with it because……….why? I can tell you the NFL is on its way to collapse, Mark Cuban was right. Those fans of my age(50’s) are fed up with the changes in the game already and there aren’t the diehard fans replacing us. Too many other options out there for folks. Casual fans will not support the NFL the way people like me have. It makes me feel terrible. Football was the one sport I truly loved…and it’s corrupted and dying.

    I supported Goodell early on…trying to clean up the game. But his smugness and being totally out of touch with the fans and reality have made me actually despise the man. Does he not know how hypocritical he sounds when he talks about integrity? Do none of the owners know that?

    A former NFL and GB Packers fan.
    ==============
    Well said.

    A former NFL fan of similar age.

  39. @TruthDispensary

    You’re Goodell’s wet dream and YOU are why he does these things.

    Congrats! You have an IQ of 63, believe corrupt liars and shouldn’t be voting or procreating.

  40. @BullCharger

    That’s correct, but it doesn’t stop Kraft encouraging Brady to sue for defamation.

    Let me make this clear:

    Brady did nothing. Nothing happened.

    He also did not perjure himself on a federal stand, which is a felony, simply over his supposed lead in some scheme to have some part time employee fiddle with balls, he a HOF QB, just blessed hours before game time.

    John Harbaugh started this, Goodell enabled with the COlts, and it’s as clear as day.

    All of them should be going to jail and a defamation suit is the only thing that would work at this point.

    The discovery process would reveal all kinds of crimes by Goodell and Co. on Park Ave.

    56 total lies in the Wells Report. 56.

    You don’t need to plant 56 lies as evidence if you actually have real evidence.

  41. @OhTheIrony

    Tremendous post. That is what is happening. They’re in such a rush to “grow the league” overseas, they’re doing it o on the backs of the American NFL customer and the Patriots.

    By lying and framing them to keep parity in play as much as possible, flattening the revenues of the league, so to speak, that is how Goodell can try to get the Jaguars into London, for example.

    In other words, the TV deal in London right now brings Kahn more revenue than if those games were played in Jacksonville.

    The tv money is more in London than Jax, and it’s only a matter of time before enough investors put up the money to help Kahn move.

    BUt, the fact is, without parity, no one will trust the idea that the Jaguars will sell games out in London considering what they’d be competing against, which is more than just English Premier League soccer.

    It’s everything else in this immediate, digital age.

    Goodell is destroying the NFL as we know it, all in the name of money, and that money will be coming from a new market in Europe.

    So, basically most of the country thinks Belichick mocking Mangini and the Jets for a rule change in 2006 where your cameraman stands, is somehow magically “cheating”, and Brady, a HOF QB’s success is tied to releasing .5 of PSI from a football after he blesses the footballs, just so Tom can be a HOF QB.

    It’s hilarious people actually believe this crap, but then I think how stupid our country has actually become.

    The more we lean on technology, the more dumb people are.

  42. Jets should’ve lost draft picks and fined for tampering with Revis while with the Pats but we all know the NFL have their favorites. Jets, Broncos, Colts & Ravens.

  43. Kraft did not pursue legal remedies because his army of legal advisors told him he could not win and would open the doors that he has closed. He could not fight failure to cooperate, he could fight Brady’s lack of credibility.

  44. whispersd says:
    Apr 19, 2016 11:22 AM

    No matter how much the Kraft Foundation pays for propoganda, that fact will never change.
    _______________________________________

    Correct! Facts like:

    Ideal Gas Law
    56 Lies told by NFL in Wells report and other documents.
    ESPN lies
    Proven leaked lies by NFL to the media

    Love the FACTs, because they do more to expose the NFL and the trolls, than Patriots and TB12.

    20 Years of Dominance!

  45. We Patriots fans have been trying to tell the rest of you for ages.

    Enjoy your torches and pitchforks while you can, but eventually, it’s going to be YOUR team Roger Goodell is coming for.

    This time it was the Chiefs.

    Who’s next?

    It could be anyone.

    Anyone but the Jets that is.

  46. The NFL makes more money when fans of all 32 teams think their team has a chance to win because then the fans of 32 teams purchase more merchandise and watch more games. Because Patriots built a dynasty through hard work & brains the NFL created excuses to take away draft picks and possibly their best player. Even the most biased fans of the other 31 teams would see what is obvious if only their minds weren’t saturated by an over 6 month media flood of spin & lies.

  47. All of them should be going to jail and a defamation suit is the only thing that would work at this point.

    The discovery process would reveal all kinds of crimes by Goodell and Co. on Park Ave.

    —-
    I actually think the best possible outcome of the court case would be remanding it back to Judge Berman. 🙂

    Berman will then rule on his other points and order the league to turn over their correspondence while doing so.

    I can’t WAIT!

    🙂

  48. whoisitsite says:
    Apr 19, 2016 11:16 AM

    Jastremski and McNally stood no chance either. It stinks they got railroaded and did not get their jobs back

    ———————

    Ummm. Both were reinstated with approval from the NFL.

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