Blind quotes about quarterbacks turn up the usual racism

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More so than robins or marshmallow peeps or seersucker suits, there is one true harbinger of spring that lets you know the NFL Draft is at hand once again.

That’s right, anonymous scouts telling Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that some black quarterback reminds him of JaMarcus Russell.

It happens every year. Amid the voluminous research compiled by the veteran Packers beat man are the truly off-the-rails criticisms of players that have little to do with the playing of the game itself.

This year’s biggest victim appears to be Ohio State’s Cardale Jones (big results at big college program, check; “athletic,” check; happens to be black, oh yeah).

“Kind of reminds me of a poor man’s JaMarcus Russell,” said one of the fleet of unnamed scouts to McGinn. “At least JaMarcus had some touch. This guy just throws the ball. His mechanics are all over the place.”

But wait, there’s more.

“Strong arm. Big, big body. Not the brightest cookie in the world,” another of them said. “I worry about him when he gets money in his pocket. I just don’t know if it’s all there mentally.”

There’s also the obligatory mention that Jones was a “non-qualifier” out of high school and his Wonderlic score, which isn’t sufficiently low to be a red flag anyway.

That’s not to say Jones is a can’t miss-prospect. He was a third-stringer at Ohio State before injuries opened the door for him to lead them to a title, and he was eventually benched when the guys ahead of him got healthy. And he’s not a polished passer, which is why he’s been working on that aspect of his game all spring with quarterback guru George Whitfield.

At least when it comes to draft lunacy, there seems to be some equal opportunity this year. White guys get ripped too, from Jared Goff’s “slender build,” (and small hands) to Paxton Lynch being “a little spacy, a little different.”

Connor Cook is “Selfish. He goes out too much.” Christian Hackenberg “hangs out more with managers than he does teammates. It tells me he likes to be king of the little people rather than king of the big people.” Dak Prescott is “just a winner,” however, despite a pre-draft DUI arrest.

There’s plenty of good information in there, with McGinn there always is. But it has practically become a traditional April game of Draft Cliche Bingo, in which “casual racism,” is the free space.

100 responses to “Blind quotes about quarterbacks turn up the usual racism

  1. This article hit the “nail right on the head”. Of course Winston was last year’s JaMarcus…people don’t think before they type.

  2. There were plenty of strong-arm white bust QB’s over the years. But every strong-arm black QB gets the JaMarcus Russell comparison, without fail, year in year out. From Winston, to Newton, to Cardale etc. We know exactly why they get the JaMarcus treatment rather than being compared to Patrick Ramsey or Kyle Boller.

  3. It’s not so much racism as a lazy analysis. Same thing with all shifty white receivers being compared to Welker, or being “the hardest working guy on the team. “

  4. Luck had better combine stats in many areas or damn near equal to Newton but was seldom spoken as being as athletic. White QBs are promoted for throwing and smart and Black QBs for being strong and athletic. Comparisons to current QBs always seem to be same race. Newton was never compared to running like Steve Young, no white QB runs a spread offense like Warren Moon, no short QB is compared to Russell Wilson unless Drew Brees is in the same sentence.

    Why can’t the journalists who harp about racism ignore race in their own articles?

  5. Just here for the “leave racism out of it, because it makes me feel better to pretend there is no racism anywhere” comments.

  6. I see them all as having the potential to offend in various ways, no doubt about that but I don’t perceive 100% of those lines as racist.

  7. Hold on, so if everyone is getting ripped about things that have nothing to do with the game of football why is what’s being said about the black QB especially egregious? Is it just because he’s black? Because people said the same thing about Manziel coming out of college but it’s ok because he’s white? I’m confused. Plenty of black QBs have been a wash because of character issues and issues that arose when they got there hands on some money, and if a guy is not a knockout prospect (which Jones clearly isn’t) then it makes sense for teams to not want to take a chance on him.

    P.S. I shouldn’t have to do this, but since I know we’re living in a time and place where white people aren’t allowed to take about race in anything other than an apologetic way (which is wrong BTW) I’ll answer the question before it’s asked. Yes, I’m black.

  8. Mr. G – It is a FACT that JaMarcus Russell is pretty well acknowledged to be the biggest draft bust in NFL history. He was the overall #1 and he turned out to be a complete flop.

    Some of the (anonymous) quotes you found offensive:

    “This guy just throws the ball. His mechanics are all over the place.”

    “Not the brightest cookie in the world.”

    “I worry about him when he gets money in his pocket.”

    “I just don’t know if it’s all there mentally.”

    Besides the obvious fact that those remarks could have been made a few years ago about a Heisman trophy winning QB from Texas A&M, I fail to detect the racism that you find so obvious.

  9. I guess I missed the quote that was racist. If an incoming white quarterback was compared to Ryan Leaf or Johnny Manziel, would that be racist too?

    Sometimes you guys try too hard to inject race into a situation when it’s simply not there.

  10. Sorry, but I’m missing the racist part.

    Read the words again verbatim, and try for a moment to ignore skin color (I know it’s tough for you). There’s no mention of race or color anywhere.

    All I see is that the scouts are making a comparison between a prospect and a bust. It’s your own perception that turned it “racist”. I’ll assume that your suggesting that the comparison is racist because both the prospect and the bust are black. If that’s the case, let me ask this:

    Would it be racist if both the prospect and the bust were white? If it wouldn’t be racist under that (extremely similar) scenario, why not?

  11. That’s why a lot of scouts are bad when it comes to QBs. They have all these pre-conceived notions. Carson Wentz went to a small school. I’m hearing Cardale Jones being compared to Tim Tebow as far as the mental questioning. Both guys played for the same college coach, and both guys were winners. Both are big and can run. Both have questionable mechanics. One is black and one is white. White WRs often get compared to other white receivers, and white RBs get written off just because they’re white. Scouts generally speak more openly when saying white RBs just won’t cut it, than they do when they speak of black QBs. I wonder why nobody ever writes about that. That’s total racism. Or is it? RG3 got drafted high. Cam Newton went #1. Cam Newton had more mental questions than RG3. I think it has more to do with bad scouting than racism. North Dakota State isn’t a black school. It’s just a small school. Jared Goff’s hands aren’t black. They’re just small. Conner Cook isn’t being called a black teammate. He’s being called a bad teammate. If there are concerns about Cardale Jones’ mental capacity, they’re coming from his coaches at Ohio State.

  12. I think racist would be more along the lines of: “This guy has is a great talent, off the charts, but we won’t draft him because of his skin color.”

  13. Wait, in the same article that you’re bemoaning a jamarcus comparison, you also listed “Dak Prescotts is just a winner”?

  14. They said the same things about Manziel too. Get off the PC horse and walk around a little bit. Sometimes you have to talk around the fact he may be an idiot without calling him an idiot out loud.

  15. Where’s the racism? I read the article twice. But the title worked. I clicked on the article.

  16. I think the media may be going to the well too often using the word ‘racism’.

    That source was wrong for comparing the guy to Jamarcus Russell not because of race but because JM was such a huge bust as a QB and the new guy hasn’t even step foot in the NFL yet.

  17. “Kind of reminds me of a poor man’s JaMarcus Russell,” said one of the fleet of unnamed scouts to McGinn. “At least JaMarcus had some touch. This guy just throws the ball. His mechanics are all over the place.”

    But wait, there’s more.

    “Strong arm. Big, big body. Not the brightest cookie in the world,” another of them said. “I worry about him when he gets money in his pocket. I just don’t know if it’s all there mentally.”

    This doesn’t sound racist to me.

  18. This seems to be making something out of nothing.

    Sorry but Cardale IS a moron. Just so happens he’s black as well, but that’s not to say he’s stupid because of it, he’s just stupid.

    If you need an example then please check his Twitter feed where he reminded us that he didn’t come to Ohio state to “play school.” Or when he tried invent “May fools” as opposed to sticking with April fools.

    But you know don’t let facts get in the way of bias here.

  19. The new Rooney Rule for scouting quarterbacks: all black QBs must be compared to at least one white QB before they can be compared to a black QB.

  20. The only casual racism I’m seeing is the type that takes any comment about a black player from a white person that is anything other than pure praise and twists it into racism. If you look for racism every day and everywhere, I suppose you’l eventually find it.

    On the other hand , today’s climate for whites is fast becoming an abusive relationship. Like any abused wife knows, you can’t survive if the rules change constantly. Whites today have no idea what will be the next hands off topic until it’s too late. Now you’re out of a job before you even know what happened. And sadly, there is no possible redemption.It’s the one mistake you can never recover from.

  21. I’m pretty liberal but it’s kind of lazy to just assume it’s race based criticism. There are good reasons to compare him to Jamarcus Russell outside of race. They are built the same & play a similar style of QB. I don’t know too much about how intelligent he is but there is at least a bit of evidence to suggest he’s not too bright. Y’know, like when he tweeted “he ain’t come to play school.” While accurate, it’s pretty dumb to send a tweet like that.

  22. Let’s not forget that all white WRs are “Gym rats, crafty, technicians with sneaky athleticism who bring a lunch pail. They’re just gritty grinders with high football IQs and a high motor. Real effort players.”

    … and they’re all “deceptively fast.”

    Racism cuts both ways there, big guy.

  23. Just comparing one guy who happens to be black to another guy who happens to be black isn’t racist.

  24. This is a little overboard. Just becasue a black QB (Cardale Jones ) is compare to another black QB doesn’t makre it racist, especially considering they were both huge men with huge arms.

    I always read Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel’s draft preview. On the WR preview, he compared one of my favorite WRs, Sterling Shepherd (who is black), to Wes Welker.

    In a sport that is 70% black, some black players will inevitably be compare to other black players, and even some white players will be compared to other white players.

  25. So because a QB who is not white gets criticized, and compared to other QBs who were not white (who happened to not make it in the NFL), that automatically means the critic is a racist?

    The only way to fix this problem is to make sure no draft analysts ever offer any negative criticism about non-white QBs.

  26. I mean, if you’re TRYING to find something racist about those Cardale quotes, maybe you could take them that way.

    Or it could be that he’s just short on talent and a space cadet. Like, you know, not racist. He’s just actually an idiot?

  27. Amazing how these “anonymous scouts” never come out and publicly give these opinions…
    When you spew crap like this for a living, it’s no wonder you’re still a “scout” and not on the main stage.

  28. Where’s the article about how racist it is to call white players “deceptively fast” or “sneaky athletic?”

  29. Perhaps it’s because I’m “super racist,” but I really don’t see the issue here. Scouts are criticizing quarterback prospects leading up to the draft. One compares a black quarterback to a former bust black quarterback. …So? Is it because the scout was insinuating that Jones was dumb? Lazy? What of it? It’s criticism. People have the right to criticize. Instead of whining about racism and all that, why not go out there and just prove ’em wrong? Besides, they’re scouts. It’s their job to criticize NFL prospects. Calm down.

  30. So, let me get this straight… In an article in which you give examples of ALL the QB’s facing anonymous criticism… According to you, all of them are legitimate except when the black QB was criticized… That one was “racist” while the other ones were just “scouts being scouts”.

    Although your intention may be a noble attempt to draw attention to “racism” all around us, you actually set TRUE racism back with these ridiculous claims. Because it’s like the boy who cried wolf… You keep shouting “RACIST!” even when there is no racism… It’s just people doing their job and are now forced to tip-toe around every word they say so that people like you don’t write a ridiculous article just like the one you have done here.

    Meanwhile, most readers see through it as “just another bogus claim of racism” and dismiss it. And this happens over and over again in our media… And then when there is a REAL occurance of racism, it has been so diluted with these ridiculous stories that it either diminishes or discredits the real racism that deserves to be in the news.

    There is a saying in life that tends to be true… “Sometimes less is more”. If you truly want to blow the whistle and stop racism, then you’re better off writing stories about REAL ACTUAL RACISM. Be a little more selective when you make that claim. Raise the bar a bit. Because when you make it so low, people see through it and get tired of it… And for better or for worse… they eventually get so mad over it they start voting for people like Donald Trump.

  31. Racism has nothing to do with NFL teams seeking gifted athletes physically as well as mentally, nothing.
    They evaluate draftees based on that criteria.
    The evidence of the players past history on the field as well as off.
    You would do the same if you want to be successful.

    Why inject the “r” word into it?

  32. Black QBs are written about differently than white QBs. White QBs are more likely to have some intangible like intelligent or leader or something written about them, while for black QBs their physical attributes are the positive.

    The subconscious narrative seems to be that the white QBs win because of their smarts, while the Black QBs win because of their physical skills.

    And how often is Black QB prospect said to remind scout of white NFL QB. Or vice versa. I’m not an American, so this is probably old news to you. But as a European, I find it curious.

  33. So if a guy is lazy and stupid you can’t call him out on it because he’s black? Yeah, that makes sense.

  34. It’s surprising that a person from rural West Virginia doesn’t know what is and isn’t racism….. Or is it?
    Sheltered people….

  35. I am confused here. Russell largely made his name by winning the Championship game, is 6’6″, 260, ran a 4.83.

    Jones largely made a name by winning the Championship game, is 6’5″, 250 lbs, ran a 4.8.

    Both were involved in a three battle at some point prior to their breakout in a 3-way QB battle. Both were at big name programs. Both had a limited body of work.

    So the racism is there because it is a black person being compared to a black person. I guess, maybe easy reporting but is there a white QB that made a won the championship game that has a short body of work and similar height, weight and 40 time?

  36. Like clockwork. Notice how there were questions about the guy who went #1 last year “picking up” the game and “adjusting to the NFL” when he was in one of the most sophisticated pro style offenses in college, but this year you don’t hear a peep about it even though all of the guys are coming from not much better than what Robert Griffin came out of at Baylor and thus should be getting the same scrutiny about making the mental leap to a pro style offense as I said he should have when he came out. It’s sad because these are the people who make the decisions being that dumb and getting it so wrong.

  37. I must have missed the racism. Unless, saying he’s not very intelligent is racist. Which, his own college coach said the same exact thing… Sounds like these scouts have done their homework to me.

  38. comparing anybody to jamarcus is a stretch, because jamarcus is bar none the greatest arm of all time. just go back and look at how he was throwing the ball at lsu. he could be dumb as a brick but youd be even stupider for not taking him number one. he was a completely unprecedented athlete

  39. Let’s see some of the reports about the white QB’s. There are just as many white athletes who are dumber than a box of rocks, won’t handle money properly, etc and it’s written in their report.

    Bet they had a field day with Manziel.

  40. The most damaging thing in the black community today is the coddling, excuse making, racism playing left liberals. Look at other cultures who succeed at a high level in America that can’t play the race card but are subjecting to racism as well. Cultures like Asian and Indian. They ignore racism and take personal responsibility for their own success. Football is the ultimate showcase of personal responsibility. Cardale Jones has the opportunity to be great and it will have nothing to do with others who doubt him. But if he uses racism as an excuse not to look in the mirror and challenge himself to be better, than the left liberals have ruined another prospect.

  41. razon4 – Russell didn’t win a NC, he made his name because he killed the combine and his pro day. Matt Flynn was the QB in 2007 when LSU won it all.

  42. I’m white. I like the Carmichael show. So I guess that means I am not a racist. Or does it mean that I am a racist.
    Well now I am just confused.

  43. So comparing people to JaMarcus Russell = racism.

    By that standard, comparing people to Cam Newton, Teddy Bridgewater or Russell Wilson must also be classified as racist.

    Further, comparing a future draft pick to Ryan Leaf, or Mike Mamula constitutes reverse racism.

    See how crazy this all is?

  44. You are not suggesting that black quarterbacks are off limits to analytical criticism, are you? Do you feel they should be treated differently simply because of their melanin content?

    If so, that is racism by the standard definition.

  45. torebear says:
    Apr 25, 2016 9:15 AM
    Black QBs are written about differently than white QBs. White QBs are more likely to have some intangible like intelligent or leader or something written about them, while for black QBs their physical attributes are the positive.

    Only the white QB’s who possess those qualities. PLENTY of white QB’s are torn down just like black QB’s.Ever hear anyone call Big Ben intelligent? What do people expect when guys like Welker or Woodhead are analyzed? Brute force? Blazing 40 speed? Ability to leap tall buildings? No folks, clever, crafty, slippery, that’s all these guys have. And some black players, speed and athleticism are all they have.

    But here’s how the race ignorant can understand. When you have Hightower, Mayo & Collins as linebackers, one of them has to call signals for defense. That doesn’t mean the other 2 are incapable. It’s never a yes or no, it’s always a “compared to xx”. If aplayer has a Warren Moon style of play, as opposed to a Russell Wilson style of play or a Peyton manning style of play, is it unfair to compare?

    Sure, there’s racism out there, just go to any BLM rally and you’ll see it proudly on display. That doesn’t mean all blacks are racist, just some of them. Just like whites.

  46. People just need to stop bringing up Jamarcus Russell. That’s always what sounds racist. It sounded racist last year with Winston, and it sounds racist now. Jones and Russell aren’t close, as prospects. Jones is going to be taken no earlier than the 5th round. He couldn’t even hold down the starter job in college. Russell was a star qb who’d go top 5 in any draft.

  47. I am over the black QB comparisons. If anything it is white players who constantly get stereotyped and pigeonholed no matter the position.

    For example – Devon Cajuste is a big bodied, fast, athletic WR that happens to be white and 6’4 230lbs. He is automatically being slotted as a H-Back/Tight end. The Panthers took a black WR – Devin Funchess last year from Michigan with similar physical traits (not as athletic as Cajuste though) and no one has a problem with him being slotted as a WR.

    White players are always described as “try hard”, “gym rats”, “brings lunch pail to work”, “blue collar”, “deceptive speed”, “more quick than fast”. So until that is all worked out please spare me the whining about Cardale Jones because his idiotic twitter statements show you just how bright he really is.

  48. Change Washington’s messed up name, fine.

    Racism here thou? Meh? I guess – idk, Cardale Jones kind of looks like a crappy QB Prospect tbh.

  49. When critiquing a black athlete you simply can’t tell the truth without being called a racist, bigot or some other whiny analogy usually from the far left crowd.

    Quarterbacks are judged on their intelligence so how you score on academic tests go a long way in driving people’s perceptions. Before the whiny crown start accusing everyone of racism they should at least look into why the person is giving the evaluation he is.

    I could sit here and say Donovan McNabb was as dumb as a rock, because he tested so low on his wonderlic they retested him so he wouldn’t be embarrassed.

    If I say Carson Wentz is extremely bright people would point to a double standard of my racism. They wouldn’t even take into account Carson Wentz is an extremely extremely intelligent kid academically wise.

    I guess the word would be politically correct. It’s one of the biggest problems we face today.

  50. So if Johnny Manziel was compared to Ryan Leaf would that be racist? So a Black QB could not be compared to a former black qb? Again one of the biggest flops at QB were both Leaf and Russell. So you can never be compared to them if someone thinks you may be a bust. I get it.. You see racism when their is none.

  51. Just wait for the evaluations and code words when caucasian running back Christian McCaffrey enters the draft next year.

  52. jjeastwald says:
    Apr 25, 2016 11:37 AM
    When critiquing a black athlete you simply can’t tell the truth without being called a racist, bigot or some other whiny analogy usually from the far left crowd.

    Quarterbacks are judged on their intelligence so how you score on academic tests go a long way in driving people’s perceptions. Before the whiny crown start accusing everyone of racism they should at least look into why the person is giving the evaluation he is.

    I could sit here and say Donovan McNabb was as dumb as a rock, because he tested so low on his wonderlic they retested him so he wouldn’t be embarrassed.

    If I say Carson Wentz is extremely bright people would point to a double standard of my racism. They wouldn’t even take into account Carson Wentz is an extremely extremely intelligent kid academically wise.

    I guess the word would be politically correct. It’s one of the biggest problems we face today.
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    It started as politics. Over the last eight years it spread everywhere else. It won’t stop political figures from still using race to get a political advantage.

    It’s unfortunate because in cases of real racism it might just get dismissed as more nutty left propaganda instead of what it really could be, racism.

    It’s also unfortunate the political leaders that use it to get elected don’t speak out against it now like our sitting president. He was voted in as a symbol of progress, a sign that if you work hard you won’t be held back by the color of your skin, or the sex you were born. Unfortunately he took the ball and ran the other way calling everyone a racist that doesn’t agree with his policies.

  53. jjeastwald says:
    Apr 25, 2016 11:37 AM
    When critiquing a black athlete you simply can’t tell the truth without being called a racist, bigot or some other whiny analogy usually from the far left crowd.

    Quarterbacks are judged on their intelligence so how you score on academic tests go a long way in driving people’s perceptions. Before the whiny crown start accusing everyone of racism they should at least look into why the person is giving the evaluation he is.

    I could sit here and say Donovan McNabb was as dumb as a rock, because he tested so low on his wonderlic they retested him so he wouldn’t be embarrassed.

    If I say Carson Wentz is extremely bright people would point to a double standard of my racism. They wouldn’t even take into account Carson Wentz is an extremely extremely intelligent kid academically wise.

    I guess the word would be politically correct. It’s one of the biggest problems we face today.

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    Preaching to the choir.

  54. @Mo Pro Babble
    I never said anything about it being racism. I think it is race based stereotyping.

    I don’t see any racism, I see scouts that are unaware of how color affects their writings. They would probably be more accurate in judging talent if they make a conscious effort to compare players with nfl players of a different color.

  55. It’s fun to try and compare athletes to people of a different color. Since this article is about football, and QBs, let’s play the game.

    When I say compare another QB to Dan Marino, you would normally say? Try saying Warren Moon, they are the same guy.

    When I say Steve Young, you say? Watch Randall Cunningham tape, and look at their career stats…

    Moving on to receiver, and looking only at the field, have there ever been two players more alike than Cris Carter and Steve Largent? If you put them in the same uniform and took away all identifying marks, I would have an easier time telling Horace and Harvey Grant apart on the court.

    It’s natural, for most, to compare athletes with someone of the same race. Both races to it. However, it will really open your mind about individual players if you try and compare them to the opposite race. ALL GMs and scouts should run exercises in this. It will help them draft better.

  56. I think what many of the commentors (who deny seeing racist comments in the scout reports) are missing is the historical context . In the recent past 1960’s and 70’s scouts comments were used to keep out Black QB’s period the end. Example 1.There is no way in hell Warren Moon should of had to play in Canada. Comments surrounding thinking skills were almost always used against Blacks who wanted to be a QB. The media is aware of the historical context and thats why they keep reporting on it year after year. I acknowledge that comments in 2016 run both ways since there are few White running backs and receivers.

  57. No prospective NFL QB should ever be compared to JaMarcus Russell. No prospective NFL QB is that bad. No matter what color he is.

  58. I remember Ryan Mallett getting the “poor man’s Ryan Leaf” comparisons.

    Must be racist to compare him to a player who played the same position with a similar body type, skill set, and red flags that happens to be the same race!!

  59. joenash72 says:
    Mar 14, 2017 1:58 PM

    Scout comment about Dak Prescott nailed it
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    You beat me to it!

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