Mark Davis will commit to pursuit of relocation if Las Vegas stadium funding is approved

AP

If one specific thing happens in Vegas, the Raiders could be staying in Vegas.

According to Vincent Bonsignore of the Los Angeles Daily News, owner Mark Davis plans to make a commitment on Thursday to pursue relocation to Las Vegas if financing for the proposed $1.3 billion stadium is approved. Roughly two-thirds of the funds would come from taxes imposed on tourists.

For Davis to be something more than a tourist, he’ll still need approval of at least 23 of his 31 business partners. As Bonsignore notes, the Charger, Rams, Texans, and Cowboys have strong reasons to support a Vegas move for the Raiders, since it would take them out of the running for L.A. or San Antonio. Under that reasoning, the 49ers likely would support the move, too, since a departure of the Raiders would give the entirety of the Bay Area market to the team that now plays in Santa Clara.

Davis would still need at least 18 other teams to agree, a prospect that could be undermined by a gambling angle the NFL has worked so hard over the years to avoid. Still, the league’s attitude about Las Vegas has abruptly changed; whether that’s simply aimed at squeezing Oakland into working out a stadium deal remains to be seen.

If Oakland won’t budge, a Vegas move for the Raiders could be the latest example of the league taking what it can get, where it can get it. With few cities willing to fork over significant public money to build a stadium, a commitment by Las Vegas to foist 66 cents of every dollar onto folks who will be even more inclined to visit town if the Raiders play there is precisely the kind of thing that can get the NFL to look the other way on a topic as to which, frankly, the NFL has been looking the other way for years, in most contexts.

95 responses to “Mark Davis will commit to pursuit of relocation if Las Vegas stadium funding is approved

  1. Gambling is NOT an issue, especially when you have two of the three supposed New York teams in gambling-legal New Jersey.

  2. Raiders belong in Oakland.

    Vegas won’t have a home field advantage with everyone flying out to see their team play and hit up the strip

  3. Yeah they belong in Oakland all right they’ve already moved once didn’t work out and now Oakland doesn’t want to them a second time yeah they belong in Oakland clown

  4. is there any statistics on how a team does the season after a move? I wonder if it drops performance. You almost think it must but as many times as teams move there must be something known about it. I bet a Vegas odds maker could tell me.

  5. Half the stadium will be filled with the opponents fans. Moron Davis will leave the most passionate fans to have a zero home field advantage. This clown wants an area for tailgating but ho will want to tailgate in the heat of Vegas. This is a bad idea that will only get worse.

  6. sopadegato says:
    Apr 26, 2016 10:51 AM

    Gambling is NOT an issue, especially when you have two of the three supposed New York teams in gambling-legal New Jersey.
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    Casino gambling isn’t the issue. That exists all over the country.

    Sports gambling, however, is the issue, and in the United States, it is only legal in Las Vegas.

  7. i can’t blame the guy for looking at vegas…oakland has been screwing with him for years over a stadium to replace that landfill they currently play in. memo to all nfl teams,if you do not want your team i guarantee some other city will….san antonio…memphis….vegas…toronto etc…

  8. If I still lived in the SF Bay Area California I would rather go see the team in Las Vegas than in Oakland . I still have lots of friends and family there. Many have said they would go to Las Vegas to see the Raiders play. When you live in any large metro area you learn where not to go . One of those places is Oakland unless it is the Oakland hills. All of you that live/lived there know this is truth.

  9. With nationwide gambling and casinos littered across the country, Las Vegas is a city in decline. Should Las Vegas drop another billion dollars?

  10. A Vegas Raiders stadium will be like Chargers stadium is now. All visiting teams fans filling it up using the game as their vacation destination. No home field advantage. Ticket brokers will scoop up all the season tickets and see to it.

  11. First season ticket sellout in franchise history…on the cusp of moving to Vegas.
    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

  12. Only issue is, it was the Raiders that screwed over the City and the tax payers in the first place. Now they want the Tax payers to foot the bill again on an owner that obviously has no loyalty to anyone or anything but his own pocketbooks.

    mrnick66 says:
    Apr 26, 2016 11:09 AM
    i can’t blame the guy for looking at vegas…oakland has been screwing with him for years over a stadium to replace that landfill they currently play in. memo to all nfl teams,if you do not want your team i guarantee some other city will….san antonio…memphis….vegas…toronto etc…

  13. I bust Raiders fans balls a lot, all those bad draft picks etc…. I hate to see a team taken from their faithful, yeah the old man did it, but it just doesn’t seem right….

  14. People don’t realize that the Alameda County residents are STILL paying for he renovations Al Davis demanded in the 1990s when he returned to Oakland.

    To hell with the NFL trying to get free workplaces at the expense of taxpayers.

  15. That Oakland stadium has been awful for years. Truth is, the Bay area doesn’t really need another team – might as well hit an untapped market.

    In theory it should only help make the product more valuable as there is enough overlap from the 49ers to saturate the Oakland market while introducing the untapped Vegas one. It also offers another venue that will be able to host a Superbowl/ Pro Bowl due to the weather.

  16. This is a stupid argument. Build the stadium and move the team. Oakland has no money. Vegas is swimming in cash. Legal sports gambling isn’t the problem. It’s illegal gambling and that happens all over with bookies sitting in the back of dark bars. Just don’t sign Johnny Out of Football. The Vegas parties might actually kill him!

  17. Make the Raiders Great Again! Vegas! I do feel bad for Oakland but Oakland will understand what many other cities have found out. The NFL owners don’t care about you or the city they reside in. It’s whatever option makes them the most money, that’s how business works.

  18. Vegas road trips will be a popular destination for marks – er, fans all over the country!

  19. I hope so. Las Vegas is one of the best cities in the U.S. It’s more than just the strip. There is a great piece of land near UNLV and McCarran Airport where it can be constructed. I visited just last week. It’s easier to watch the Broncos in Las Vegas when they play the Raiders than going to Denver for we Utah-based fans. DO IT DO IT.

  20. How many of you that pay rent would cough up a ton of money for much needed major renovations, have your rent raised on top of that while getting ZERO ownership of the property?

  21. Vegas will not approve public funding for a stadium. Period. End. Of. Story. If Adelson and Davis want to build it using private funds, it would be a great success, but the city won’t gamble on the come.

  22. Remember, if Davis gets his commitment for funding, he does not need to play nice to move his team since he was not stupid to sign away oversight rights to the NFL as the Players’ Union did.

  23. People comparing this endeavor to the CFL’s Las Vegas Posse, ha ha how dumb can you be? In any event, they were at Sam Boyd Stadium, UNLV’s stadium, and for the ignorant, the CFL season starts in July when it’s 120 degrees and there was no dome.

    This will be a domed stadium and so the intense heat that exists in September and October in Clark County will not be an issue.

    I marvel at how many people are ignorant of the American West. Do you Eastern seaboarders actually believe nothing exists between Kansas City and San Francisco?

  24. Don’t give these NFL scumbags one stinking penny Las Vegas !!!

    No welfare for scumbag billionaires !!!!

  25. There is so much opportunity and potential with the Las Vegas market. Oakland is unwilling/unable to help fund a billion dollar stadium. The Raiders would have too many other pro teams to compete with if they moved to Los Angeles. In Las Vegas, it would just be the Raiders and the new NHL team.

    It would be awesome to see an NFL team and a Britney Spears concert n the same week, Only in Las Vegas!!!!!!

  26. JMClarkent says:
    Apr 26, 2016 11:26 AM

    …In theory it should only help make the product more valuable as there is enough overlap from the 49ers to saturate the Oakland market …

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    In theory.

    Thing is, as a NYGiants, fan if they were to move to Vegas, not in my lifetime will I become a Jets fan. In time, I would imagine grand kids etc. But not my lifetime. Not now, not ever.

    Still be a Giants fan even if the Jets won 5 SB’s in a row. No thank you…

  27. Vegas is probably the only place in the country where the tourist tax can easily get a stadium built.

    This would be one of the single best moves in NFL history. Every Raider fan in the country would make it his mission to go to a Vegas Raider game once a season, and every single opponent on the schedule would have droves of fans planning Vegas trips to see their team.

    Mark my words– this is a historic move. The NFL will look back on this in a few years and wonder what took them so long.

  28. People are assuming the proposed Inglewood stadium will in fact get built – given the cost and the lack of audience in LA that’s not a credible proposition, and the same is true of Vegas. What’s going to happen is teams will have to accept what they have and work to improve their existing stadiums as the Dolphins are now doing (i.e. the Chargers will stay at Qualcomm and have to fix the existing stadium, etc.) – the NFL forced a team in LA down our throats and it will backfire on them.

  29. It would screw the economically challenged fans of them in the Bay area, but anyone with even a little bit of resourcefulness could catch a cheap flight between SF and Vegas 8 times a year. I’m sure it’s not too expensive like going from here in Phoenix to Vegas is always around $60 or $70 round trip. I can’t imagine that route is too much different.

  30. and the people of vegas have to pay for this why? Total bs and I don’t even live there. OIf course Mr Davis would love for someone to build him a stadium with other people’s money but if your talking taxing people or adding more taxes to those staying in hotels that is bs.
    Hey the casinos are already charging a 31.50 a day resort fee and there is a heafty tax on that fee taking to 35 a day on your bill. At some point people start to balk.

    I like the idea of a Vegas Raiders but someone has to pony up to the bar for this besides the tourist.

  31. Anyone who complains that he isn’t working with Oakland need only look at what the county and city did with the A’s to understand Mark’s position. They let the A’s squat on the site for 10 years with a new lease when they knew that the building needed to go for a new football stadium. The government there is doing nothing but talking out both sides of their mouths when they say they want to keep the Raiders. They made their choice years ago.

  32. As an NFL fan I would love for the Raiders to move to Las Vegas. Like most fans, I would NEVER go to a game in Oakland. Vegas will attractive fans from all over the county. Your favorite AFC team will plan in Vegas a minimum of every 6 years. Your NFC team will play there every 8 years.

    Oakland might lose out on Home Field Advantage but big deal. It’s better to have a full stadium right?

  33. For Davis to be something more than a tourist, he’ll still need approval of at least 23 of his 31 business partners.
    =================================

    He doesn’t need the approval of anyone. Don’t you guys ever learn from history? Especially the history of the Raiders?

  34. Raiders will automatically become America’s Team! 10K visiting fans each home game making a weekend of Vegas.

  35. Dog and pony show. Can you say overt attempts at leverage?

    It will never happen. If CHP approves me driving 140mph, I will do it.

    Same probability.

  36. The taxpayers in minny paid zip for our new stadium. It was a no go from day one. They put the onus on hotels and restuarants with an added tax and the owner kicked in a big chunk not to mention the NFL tosses in a 100 million as well.

    I just don’t see a referendum passing to add more tax to the hotel bills. That option is tapped out. Not to mention Sundays are big move in days for hotels for conventions as such. Often they are full, even though they have thousands of rooms. So there is some thinking that must be done of their part to figure out how to pull this off. There may not be any rooms at the manger for Oakland fans on Sundays.

  37. I don’t know a lot about Mark Davis but it seems the apple didn’t fall far from the tree. This seems just like what Daddy Al would do.

    The Raiders are on the verge of truly competing and about to sell out season tickets for the first time ever. As such, they could have some actual leverage with the city of Oakland and finally turn the corner.

    But they’re about to throw it all away. SMH…

  38. The Raiders belong in Oakland, but the city needs to step or lose the team. Their stadium is terrible.

  39. Considering the NFL is in league with those Draft Kings and like entities, they really can’t have it both ways anymore.

    Either be against gambling or don’t be.

    You can’t say ‘we’ the league or other owners can be involved with gambling, but Mark Davis can’t relocate to Las Vegas and play at a casino sponsored stadium.

    Otherwise Mark Davis might be able to sue the NFL for much more then his dad got.

    Even then his dad showed him he doesn’t need approval.

    So yeah, I can easily see this happening. Don’t know why other people are forgetting these obvious factors.

  40. Both pantherpro and jesusofcool rambling multiple times on a Raider post… and still, with two shots no less, managing to sound as dim as their takes.

    Hey, #DeflategateEmailer – We are find for you two true loves! Make many much babies and show all loses you are win!

  41. What Roger does not admit, is it is GAMBLING that kept football in the limelight over the years. People bet the TV games like crazy.

    More people gamble than people realize. Of course, ROTO baseball led to fantasy football and it took off.

    What people also don’t realize is that AOL’s first advertisements were all about getting those NFL scores right now. No dialing 876-1313 (or whatever it was).

    Gambling is bigtime all over the world. From numbers to lotto to sporting events. So get over a Vegas move.

  42. pantherpro says:
    Apr 26, 2016 10:40 AM

    Who once raider trash in their town ?
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    Says the guy who doesn’t know the difference between “wants” and “once”. Save the auto-correct excuse…those words are too far apart.

    thejesusofcool says:
    Apr 26, 2016 10:44 AM

    Bill your own damn stadium. I don’t ask you to pay for my business!!!!!!!!
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    Unlike the oil, corn, dairy, or green energy businesses where there are no government subsidies at all…as a matter of fact, most businesses get some form of government assistance either by tax rules or actual cash subsidies. Small businesses get preference for federal contracts, which is an indirect subsidy. Save it. Oh, and it is “build”, not “bill”. Good lord.

    JMClarkent says:
    Apr 26, 2016 11:26 AM

    …In theory it should only help make the product more valuable as there is enough overlap from the 49ers to saturate the Oakland market …
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    huh? um, do you really think actual Raider fans are going to become 9er fans if the Raiders leave? Are you drunk? The fan bases generally do not like each other. If the Raiders move fans will either follow the team or they will probably start supporting Seattle because they hate the niners so much. Some will support Dallas or GB because those are popular bandwagon teams and have good rivalries with the niners.

  43. granadafan says:
    Apr 26, 2016 11:21 AM

    People don’t realize that the Alameda County residents are STILL paying for he renovations Al Davis demanded in the 1990s when he returned to Oakland.

    To hell with the NFL trying to get free workplaces at the expense of taxpayers.

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    Why is it that people with no idea post things as facts. The tax increase for mount davis being build ended a couple years ago. If you live in Alameda County it would have been when the tax rate drop 0.25%. Also if the county would have used the tax increase as intended it would not have carried the dept.

    Also enough of people saying stop using tax payers money to build a stadium. Why is it the big business do it there is no issue but if it is the NFL it becomes a major issue. So if the city kicks about $150 million they will generate about 1/4 to 1/3 third of that each year in tax revenue. I base this on St. Louis saying they are going to be losing $40m a year in taxes with the Rams leaving. So lets see pay $150m in get back about $40m a year. Ya that is a terrible deal.

  44. The Raiders should pay for their own stadium, but if they can find someone that will do it, I don’t blame them for taking it. I really wonder how this hurts the soon to be LA market though. Vegas to LA is not a terrible drive. Vegas would certainly have been an LA Rams TV market so this would have to diminish that some.

  45. Dear realfootballfan,

    You hit the nail on the head. Contrary to other comments I don’t see 66 cents on the dollar as a non-starter. Vegas flights and hotels are cheap and for a reason, to get people out there to gamble. Hence, all the conventions held there. A pro foot ball team would do just fine as all those Oakland and LA Raider fans could easily afford season tickets. Hell, there may be flight+hotel+game packages for the price of season tickets one would pay to see the 49ers, Giants, Redskins. I know living here in the Tampa area the Boston and Yankee fans come down to see the Red Socks and Yanks play at the Trop as the flight, hotel and game tickets are cheaper than seeing them at home with season tickets.

  46. harrisonhits2 says:
    Apr 26, 2016 11:45 AM

    Don’t give these NFL scumbags one stinking penny Las Vegas !!!

    No welfare for scumbag billionaires !!!!
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    They aren’t. Adelson is building the stadium whether the Raiders move there or not.

  47. For just a moment pretend the funding comes in strictly from tourism & Sheldon and all is well and everyone is happy as can be, given the heart wrenching truth that the Raiders belong in Oakland and Raider Nation has EARNED this. Just for a moment…

    The NFL would be idiotic to let this opportunity pass them by.
    Imagine the spectacle that would be the New Raiders. Shiny, entertaining and, dare I say… fun – a completely new NFL franchise with an iconic foundation. Overhauled in one move. “Halloween invades Vegas” every Sunday; entire families descending upon the Strip to gamble, watch a show, and join the crazies for America’s game. Deal with it: Raider Nation is strong – and Raider Nation outside of Oakland probably sees Vegas as a much easier sell in terms of time off, vacation plans, financial investment. Folks could, sorry to admit this, make that trip a family vacation more so than the Bay Area, which can be an intimidating and difficult place for the outsider to navigate. If marketed correctly (and that would a pretty killer gig) The Nation could take over Vegas, end this nightmare, and still retain a little intrigue and maverick spirit – and one that is commercially viable.

    Anyone who hates on this, with the lone exception being the overwhelming contingent of fans who want to #STAYINOAKLAND, is just jealous.

  48. LA: Kroenke is afraid the Raiders will own LA if they move back.

    San Antonio: Jerry Jones is afraid the Raiders will own San Antonio/Austin if they move there.

    Oakland: will never approve enough public funds.

    This will be approved by NFL owners if it gets that far.

  49. sopadegato says:
    Apr 26, 2016 10:51 AM

    Gambling is NOT an issue, especially when you have two of the three supposed New York teams in gambling-legal New Jersey.

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    the issue isn’t gambling in general — it’s sports betting specifically.

    las vegas has legalized sports books, NJ does not.

    i don’t particularly buy it, but the theory is that having a team in a city with legalized sports betting makes it more susceptible to match fixing.

  50. Raiders are like the homeless people begging for money on street corners. Where will they be trying to move to in 5 years? Most incompetent organization ever.

  51. If any city fits the Raidah image it’s Vegas…

    But not sure what Oakland did to lose its team, aside from being loyal, true-blue fans.

    Feel for the fans that are gettign jerked around in all of this.

  52. Gambling isn’t an issue in general, sports betting is. Casinos are everywhere, sports betting is not. The NFL went to great lengths to prevent a STATE from legalizing sports betting, a STATE that doesn’t even have a franchise. You think they are going to plop the raiders into the one area where it’s legal? LOL

  53. Oakland Raiders need to become the Nevada Raiders soon. As someone who lives in a city(Boise) with no sports teams, I see how well the nearby cities with one team do(Trailblazers & Jazz). Get in there before the NHL does and Vegas will support them. They do a good job with minor league baseball, and will only have 8-10 homedates-counting preseason to deal with.

  54. Adelson’s plan calls for LV Sands to pay approx. $300mm. His plan relies on public financing which isn’t going to happen in Vegas. They say it is being built regardless if the Raiders move, but that plan assumes the public will pay, which they won’t.

  55. Isn’t Las Vegas a lot closer to LA than Oakland? Lots of Raiders fans from LA would have no problem driving to LV.
    Sounds like a good movie.

    p.s. In SoCal no matter what team is playing, there are people from everywhere who would show up to see their home team.

  56. There’s PLENTY of space in vegas. Anyone worried about hotel rooms obviously hasn’t been there in the last few years. And they are building even MORE enormous hotels there.

    It’s a great idea, and it’s one that would get me to go out to Vegas at LEAST once every few years. The city would reap the $1-2k I’d spend there and I doubt I’d notice the extra buck or two on the hotel room. Residents get a free stadium, new team, more jobs. Raiders get new stadium, increased fan base, more money, more exposure. NFL gets a facelift. Fans get extra excuse to go to Vegas.

    This is a win-win-win-win-win and win for just about everyone. And Oakland isn’t that far from Vegas, just need to organize some busing/car pool system for the die-hard raider fans.

  57. Goodell came out and said the league had no problem with a franchise relocating to Vegas, and some people actually believed him.

    Those people obviously don’t know who the man is, or they’re just stupid.

    This will NEVER happen. Wake up people.

  58. mmack66 says:
    Apr 26, 2016 11:05 AM
    sopadegato says:
    Apr 26, 2016 10:51 AM

    Gambling is NOT an issue, especially when you have two of the three supposed New York teams in gambling-legal New Jersey.
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    Casino gambling isn’t the issue. That exists all over the country.

    Sports gambling, however, is the issue, and in the United States, it is only legal in Las Vegas.
    ——————–

    And it’s legal in the UK, there are games in London.

    Oh, and it’s also legal in Canada, they play games in Toronto. You can literally SEE Ford Field from the higher floors of the hotel at Casino Windsor from across the Detroit river before you hit the sportsbook.

  59. “It would be awesome to see an NFL team and a Britney Spears concert n the same week”
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    ….said no guy, ever.

    But seriously, the NFL’s continued prudishness toward sports gaming is absurd – from the acceptance of DraftKings/FanDuel, to fantasy sports, to playing games in the U.K. where sports gaming is perfectly legal…

    The idea that it affects the integrity of the game is silly. Tim Donaghy situations are incredibly rare where gaming is regulated. And if big-$ bettors wanted to (or could) pay to influence games, that would happen regardless of legality.

    The NFL needs to adopt NBA commish Adam Silver’s rational perspective.

  60. Why do you need taxes imposed by the government to pay for it? There is a new arena in Las Vegas, the T-mobile Arena, which could potentially be the home of a new NHL hockey team. $0 tax dollars were used in it’s construction.

  61. Mark Davis best place is the Bay Area. He just lacks the vision to see it. 49ers are a San Jose team, and as each year passes by the Bay Area is realizing that. Which will make the Raiders the #1 team in the 4th largest market.

    Going to Vegas is a suckers deal. It benefits everybody but the Raiders, the Raiders will be the proverbial “Man without a country.” Just a sideshow act to attract gamblers. The Raider brand will diminish.

  62. It didnt work in Oakland, it didnt work in LA and it won’t work in Vegas. Davis needs to cash out and sell to someone who knows how to operate a business. Davis and his gang of idiots don’t have a clue!!!

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