Tom Brady legal team adds Ted Olson for next round

AP

Tom Brady and the NFL Players have not yet filed a further appeal of the recent ruling reinstating his four-game suspension. Clearly, however, it’s coming.

Via CSNNE.com, Brady’s legal team has added former United States Solicitor General Ted Olson. The move definitely means that Brady and the NFL Players Association will be filing a petition for rehearing before the full U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. Given Olson’s extensive U.S. Supreme Court experience, it also suggests that trying to persuade the Second Circuit to change its mind won’t be the last step in the litigation.

Before the litigation continues, Brady and the NFLPA must file a formal petition for rehearing within 14 days after the Second Circuit’s ruling. The NFLPA has requested a 14-day extension of that deadline, citing the need to confer with the union representatives from each team before making a final decision.

Frankly, there’s no need for any further consultation or deliberation. The NFLPA should go full speed ahead with any and all appeals. Otherwise, Commissioner Roger Goodell will emerge with more power and greater discretion to decide all future cases however the league wants them to be decided, based on business interests that may or may not cry out for the blind administration of justice and the fair implementation of procedures.

And if the bottom line is that Goodell has more power, it will be even harder to get the league to relinquish that power at the bargaining table.

144 responses to “Tom Brady legal team adds Ted Olson for next round

  1. Thank god! I was so worried that this was all going to go away and we wouldn’t hear anything else about it. Then what would we talk about from now until September?

  2. It’s an uphill battle when you cheated and then destroyed the evidence. If he had any integrity whatsoever he would admit to it and accept what’s coming to him.

  3. Good point, Mike. This is way bigger than Brady now. It’s about Goodell’s right to ignore the word “fair” in the CBA while putting his foot down about whatever he feels like enforcing with extreme prejudice and ignoring or minimizing other violations based only on his whim.

    There is no way the union can let that stand if they can help it. It’s a scary, arbitrary power in the hands of a man with a history of capricious decision-making.

  4. The real key to a legal win for Brady actually lies in the Adrian Peterson case. If that court rules in Peterson’s favor it puts 2 different circuit courts with 2 different rulings on the same basic issue and possible opens the door for the Supreme court to take up the issue.
    High stakes stuff here. This has NOTHING to do with deflated footballs.

  5. Since I’m sure Ted Olson isn’t taking this case Pro Bono I bet that when this is all said and done Brady will lose a lot more in legal fees than he would have lost by taking the 4 game suspension. (But I’m sure it’s worth it to him because he’s only doing this because he knows he’s innocent and must protect his innocence at all cost.)

    *cough cough*

  6. “Morally, the life of the organization must be of exemplary nature. This is one phase where the organization must not have criticism.”

    ~~ Vince Lombardi

    “Integrity is doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.”

    ~~ C.S. Lewis

  7. When negotiations roll around in 2020, the NFLPA should say Goodell needs to lose all disciplinary power or we strike.

    That should be non-negotiable.

  8. Ted Olsen has won 75% of the 62 cases he has argued in front of the Supreme Court.
    Roger Goodell can now stop his pathetic victory tour on how he beat Brady commenting that his lies are now somehow “facts”. (Brady did not do that when Berman ruled in his favor).
    The chief judge on the 9th Circuit voted in favor of Brady. He will certainly grant this en banc review.
    I just wish Brady would stop being the perfect, humble, and gracious professional for once. I want him to shove it down Goodell’s throat when he wins in front of the en banc panel or at the Supreme Court.
    I guess he will wait and show it on the field like he always does. Holding up his 5th and 6th Lombardi trophies before he retires.

  9. If you’re a player, or you dislike Goodell, or you hate tyrannical rulers, you want Brady and the NFLPA to go forward with this.

    Goodell must be stopped or the league is in big trouble.

  10. Bring up anti-trust if that dictator Goodell continues his effort to break the Players Association and to the growth of his personal power.
    This excessive concentration of power, is not good business as he continually sticks his nose on things he is clueless.
    Ever since Pete Roselle came along, these Commissioners keep getting bigger heads

  11. For all those that are about to get on hear and say they should just stop, please remember that all litigation filed so far has been done so by the NFL!!!!!!

    The NFL ran to Berman.

    The NFL ran to the 2nd Court of Appeals.

    It is time for the NFLPA to be the litigator so they can form the context of the argument better. It always favors the those who file as they get to form the appeal. I hope they are enjoying their victory tour, because this is not over and may go on for years.

  12. So far 4 judges have issued decisions.

    2 of them assert that Goodell can do what he wants and has no burden of proof, nor does he have to be fair in any way, with the CBA only a guideline that the NFL can follow when convenient

    2 of them found that the NFL hadn’t even proved that a violation occurred – not to mention the fact that the NFL had not acted fairly or followed the CBA

    I’m appalled that so many NFL fans seem to think it’s fine that the NFL itself is inherently unfair

    Anyone who can look beyond their jealousy of Brady and the Patriots should be able to see that

  13. Whatever one thinks of Goodell, why would he — as the representative of management in a labor dispute — voluntarily relinquish power that was negotiated in the CBA? Now the NFLPA has buyer’s remorse and is trying to get the consequences of their short-sightedness overturned in court. If it didn’t want Goodell to have the power, it should have negotiated a different deal instead of tying up an already overworked legal system trying to convince somebody else to fix its mistake.

  14. Everytime Goodell says the word “integrity” in the same sentence as the NFL I throw up in my mouth. It is Orwellian doublespeak at its most obvious.

  15. This has always only been 20% about Brady and 80% about abuse of power. Adding Ted Olsen to the team confirms the fact that the NFLPA is serious about this case, as it should be. And this move certainly signals that the NFLPA is prepared to go to the Supreme Court on this issue.
    My belief is that the case is not only about abuse of power but absolutely crosses over to defamation of Brady’s character. I’d be frightened if I was Goodell or one of his minions. To me this indicates that Brady is absolutely certain of his innocence and is willing to do whatever it takes to prove it. There is no question that it would be far easier for Brady to accept a 4 game suspension if he knew he was guilty. But he’s not. I only hope he doesn’t stop at proving that but goes the whole way to hold Goodell accountable for his egregious conduct.

  16. The way I see this whole court battle, the NFLPA is trying to gain in court what they sold out in negotiations. The NFLPA sold their souls for more money for the union members, which is perfectly understandable, Now, they are suffering buyers regret for giving the NFL the complete power over discipline.
    Typical of so many in today’s society, if you cannot win at the ballot box nor in the legislature, go to court to over ride whatever you voted in favor of.

  17. Brace yourself for another parade of uninformed drivel. Anyone that believes that this still has anything to do with cheating or ball deflation, if it ever really did, will proclaim their ignorance by posting the same lame bs they have for the last 16 months. From the league’s standpoint this is about reaffirming the power of the commissioner’s office to do as it pleases in the area of player discipline. It was the perfect test case. The game’s best player on it’s most successful franchise and an offense that is solely in the purview of the league with no criminal court involved to have discovery bring annoying things like facts to light. If the commi$$ioner can take down the biggest dog in the yard without any proof of wrong doing and a court reinforces it his power becomes bullet proof.

  18. I’d really like to see Brady sue Goodell personally for defamation of his character. Brady has a strong case..being accused, tried, convicted and severely punished by a corrupt commissioner for a minor rule violation that never even occurred. Ted Olson would win that case easily.

  19. Clearly the 14 day extension is another tactic to stall the inevitable. They’re hoping to get through this season before the suspension takes effect.

  20. Florio is correct in that the union is just stalling for some reason. My guess is because Brady will have a stay on his punishment until the second court decides to refuse their appeal. The key is to make the appeal as close to the regular season as possible so that Tom doesn’t miss the games at the beginning of the season before they rule against him.

    Filing now there is a good risk of the appeal being denied and stay lifted before week one, hence the delaying tactics.

    If the second circuit and supreme decline to hear any of his appeals to the appeal, something which most of the legal experts say is in the 98% higher or more the union will have cemented Goodell’s power completely, Bravo.

    On the plus side for the NFLPA, the union’s lawyers bill hourly, including Olson who at last check commanded $1,800/hr. All for a case which most likely will never see the inside of a court. Great use of the NFLPA funds if you ask me.

  21. The Washigton Post, Yahoo Sports and PFT are the only media outlets outside New England who seem to have any perspective on “framegate”. All others are stooges for the manipulative liars at 345 Park Avenue.

  22. It will be sad if the NFLPA has to burn CBA negotiation capital just to reduce the commissioner’s power.

    If a court of law preempts that, I am 100% in favor of it, even if I don’t like the Patriots.

  23. The players union gave Goodell this power. Don’t agree to give him this much power the next time around and you have a good argument. So what we have here is Brady and the players Union continuing to waste more tax payer money just so Brady can save his image. Florio wipe off your face, stop slurping and stop protecting these fools. If Brady did nothing wrong there would be no evidence at all but the fact that there is enough to say something happened is evidence enough to have the poor rich boy man up and take responsibility. This is exactly why there is always the perception that the rich and famous get special treatment.

  24. well, I guess if you are out fishing for Moby Dick, it’s a good goal setter to bring the Tatar sauce, but reality is that this isn’t going to be heard by the Supreme Court and almost as sure won’t be heard by the full appeals court

  25. Counting Judge Berman, four federal judges are currently split 2-2 (with the Chief Judge in the 2nd Court of appeals dissenting against the NFL.). Requesting an en banc hearing does not seem to be an unreasonable request.

  26. TheDPR says:

    Good point, Mike. This is way bigger than Brady now. It’s about Goodell’s right to ignore the word “fair” in the CBA while putting his foot down about whatever he feels like enforcing with extreme prejudice and ignoring or minimizing other violations based only on his whim.

    There is no way the union can let that stand if they can help it. It’s a scary, arbitrary power in the hands of a man with a history of capricious decision-making.

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    reality is that the NFLPA empowered the NFL with very broad discretion and now wants to eat their cake too

    also, it’s probably not a very good idea, considering the behavior of NFL players, that the discretion of the NFL to hand out scary penalties be diminished

    the NFL very rarely does it, but when it does, it is usually a very outrageous offense that gets punished in such a way, like engaging in a conspiracy to make the game significantly easier to play and outright circumventing the referees with the probable knowledge of the entire organization

  27. What an egotistical maniac.

    The tarnish will never come off of this guy. He’ll be forever labeled as “cheater”. And now add whiner to the list.

    Pretty low character organization on the whole.

  28. There won’t be a “next round”. The full second circuit and the Supreme Court will both refuse to hear the case. The CBA language is clear. See you week 5, Tommy.

  29. rportkid says:
    Apr 30, 2016 11:31 AM
    I’d really like to see Brady sue Goodell personally for defamation of his character. Brady has a strong case..being accused, tried, convicted and severely punished by a corrupt commissioner for a minor rule violation that never even occurred. Ted Olson would win that case easily.

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    All i hear is a lot of bravado by Brady backers. Oooohhh, the NFLPA brought in another lawyer, you are in trouble now. According to the Pats fans the courts should’ve already have destroyed the NFL and awarded Brady ownership of the league.

    The 2nd circuit laid the smack down on Judge Berman for overstepping his authority and it’s highly unlikely that any court agrees to take the case regardless of what lawyer the NFLPA feels the need to spend union dues on.

    I wouldn’t get my hopes pinned on a defamation case either. Does anyone remember the Vilma vs Goodell defamation case? Exactly. But hey you keep trying to convince yourself.

  30. sportsblogger7 says:
    Apr 30, 2016 11:14 AM
    Ted Olsen has won 75% of the 62 cases he has argued in front of the Supreme Court.
    Roger Goodell can now stop his pathetic victory tour on how he beat Brady commenting that his lies are now somehow “facts”. (Brady did not do that when Berman ruled in his favor).
    The chief judge on the 9th Circuit voted in favor of Brady. He will certainly grant this en banc review.

    =================================

    That’s not how this works, that’s not how any of this works.

  31. Why is Brady destroying his cell phone even an issue? It’s not like his provider can’t retrieve any and all texts, call logs, photos,etc. We are in 2016 , your data imprint cannot be erased. Plus any texts between Brady and Pats employees will be saved in their texts,calls,etc.

  32. There is no way the union can let that stand if they can help it. It’s a scary, arbitrary power in the hands of a man with a history of capricious decision-making.


    The ruling also said that an arbitator has the right to break the law as part of a workplace arbitration process! Yes that really happened and it really did came from an American court. Not a joke folks it is right there in black and white.

    This is not only wrong it is outrageous and scary and cannot be allowed to stand in this country. This decision MUST be reversed and thrown in the trash can.

    By any means necessary. If hiring a Ted Olson helps make that happen then so be it.

    Take this all the way Tom.

  33. Randomguy999 said:
    reality is that the NFLPA empowered the NFL with very broad discretion and now wants to eat their cake too

    also, it’s probably not a very good idea, considering the behavior of NFL players, that the discretion of the NFL to hand out scary penalties be diminished

    the NFL very rarely does it, but when it does, it is usually a very outrageous offense that gets punished in such a way, like engaging in a conspiracy to make the game significantly easier to play and outright circumventing the referees with the probable knowledge of the entire organization
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    The NFLPA did cede a lot of power to Roger, but contracts require parties to act in good faith. There is set precedent for tampering with equipment, if evidence proved Brady guilty, and this punishment is 20x over and above that precedent. That isn’t acting in good faith.
    Where is your evidence that Brady “engaged in a conspiracy”? Do you know that the refs used different gauges for the pre-game and halftime measurements? Do you know that 3 of 4 of the Colts balls were also under-inflated? Do you know that Brady has a legal right to not have to turn over personal property during the investigation? Or do you just not care?
    If a player is proven with evidence to be engaged in a conspiracy to circumvent the integrity of the game, then Goodell could be within the CBA to issue a punishment that was a step or two above what’s been established. Since the evidence in the Wells Report is merely circumstantial, Goodell is again not acting in good faith.

  34. This mess isn’t about the PSI of a football or Tom Brady. If the NFL wins, it means all players lose.

  35. Ted Olsen has won 75% of the 62 cases he has argued in front of the Supreme Court.
    Roger Goodell can now stop his pathetic victory tour on how he beat Brady commenting that his lies are now somehow “facts”. (Brady did not do that when Berman ruled in his favor).
    The chief judge on the 9th Circuit voted in favor of Brady. He will certainly grant this en banc review.

    =================================

    That’s not how this works, that’s not how any of this works.

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    Actually it does. If he didn’t feel confident that he could win then why would he take a high profile case? Money? There are plenty of cases that he repressent.

    The reality is 2 judges have agreed with the union and 2 agreed with the league. It can go either way.

  36. Even OJ is embarrassed by the never ending denial.
    Accept responsibility for once.

    ____

    I agree. Goodell should just come out and admit they made the whole thing up. For once I’d like to see him accept responsibility.

  37. Is the decision made here going to have long lasting effects on future decisions ensuring the security and rights of American citizens?
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    Actually yes it is. As someone said, this is no longer about Brady or footballs, and it is about CBA’s and union employee rights. This has impact not only for the NFLPA, but now any employee with a CBA. If the ‘boss’ can just mete out punishment without cause-which is pretty much what the 2nd circuit said, that is very very dangerous to everyone that holds a union job in the country. Don’t be shocked when the other unions start helping out the NFLPA. Need a stadium built-unions. Need video? Unions. Need food served? Unions. Unlike the NFLPA which is a pretty weak union, if Steel workers, carpenters, teamsters decide to boycott NFL projects that will have a very real impact.

  38. Brady needs to be treated the same way you treat a 2 year old when they don’t like their punishment. If he keeps having this tantrum, make it a 1 year suspension. That will put a stop to this.

  39. You people with the cellphone are ridiculous. Unless you’re a suspect in a criminal trial, you should never turn over your phone. Imagine if Brady had turned it over. What a precedent that would have set. If someone wants access to all your private photos, notes, emails, Web logs, etc — and if they wanted to make it all public — all they’d have to do is accuse you of something.

  40. Amazing the same science deniers posting on anything related to framegate. Scientists from numerous institutions have all said there was no tampering. MIT, Bowdoin, Carnegie Mellon, the University of Chicago, & Rockerfeller to cite a few.
    As John Leonard , Professor @ MIT & an Eagles fan ,said in the NY Times ,if a student had turned in an assignment with so many errors like Exponent’s report he would not accept it & tell them to redo it.
    There was no tampering!

  41. Just like the Eagles win nothing, so too is the worth of eagleswin’s comments.
    You bring up the case of Vilma vs Goodell as a rationalization for why Brady would similarly have a defamation case thrown out. However, if you read Judge Berrigan’s ruling, you would know her reasoning doesn’t apply here. In Vilma she stated that although “the process initially was procedurally flawed, the statements (Goodell’s) were ultimately found to have enough support to defeat the defamation claims.” No such case here. The NFL has already stated they have no proof against Brady.
    So yeah, that’s exactly how this works, that’s exactly how all of this works. Brady’s team will win the appeal and if he so chooses, Brady would win a defamation suit as well.

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    stew48 says:
    Apr 30, 2016 10:57 AM
    You and Brady and company keep furnishing material for comedians.
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    Yeah, 20+ Years of NFL Dominance is a riot!

    We’re laughing at you not with you…

  43. Jesus. This is perverse. Think about all the innocent poor people sitting in jail because they took a plea bargain because they couldn’t afford to fight a charge, and then think about Tom Brady, multimillionaire football slinger married to a model, going to the mat and clogging up the court system over a four game suspension handed down under the authority of the collective bargaining agreement.

    For real, Pats fans?

  44. Unfortunately, this is what Tom Brady is going to be remembered for. He should have just cut the deal that the NFL offered, and moved on. But Tom is a competitor, and he just wants to keep on fighting.

  45. zeke2517 says:
    Apr 30, 2016 12:42 PM
    Jesus. This is perverse. Think about all the innocent poor people sitting in jail because they took a plea bargain because they couldn’t afford to fight a charge, and then think about Tom Brady, multimillionaire football slinger married to a model, going to the mat and clogging up the court system over a four game suspension handed down under the authority of the collective bargaining agreement.
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    Yup. That’s what happens when due process is trampled and only the willfully ignorant will turn a blind eye…

    20+ Years of NFL Dominance!

  46. He will be remembered for this and being a cheat. Just take the punishment and move on, this is a complete waste of everyone’s time and a big waste of money.

  47. logicalvoicepft says:
    Apr 30, 2016 11:01 AM
    I’m not guilty!!!

    *Destroys Cell Phone for no reason at all*

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    But but…that was his “regular” practice! Except of course for all of the phones he owned before and after the one he destroyed…

  48. FoozieGrooler says:
    Apr 30, 2016 12:31 PM

    So, Brady has decided NOT to man up.
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    I’d say maintaining his innocence after being falsely accused , and fighting a commissioner that just perpetrated the largest fraud in sports history, is the definition of “to man up”.

  49. If the NFL REALLY believed there was something on Tom’s phone, all they had to do is acquire the phones of the team personnel who Tom communicated with. They have no interest in doing that. (Jordan fades back … swoosh … and that’s the game).

  50. cross300 says:
    Apr 30, 2016 12:09 PM

    Actually it does. If he didn’t feel confident that he could win then why would he take a high profile case? Money? There are plenty of cases that he repressent.

    The reality is 2 judges have agreed with the union and 2 agreed with the league. It can go either way.

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    Sigh. Not it doesn’t. At this point it isn’t about winning or losing, it is about getting either the second circuit or the supreme court to even look at the case.

    A majority of the active circuit judges may decide to hear or rehear a case en banc. Parties may suggest an en banc hearing to the judges but have no right to it. The Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure state en banc proceedings are disfavored but may be ordered to maintain uniformity of decisions within the circuit or if the issue is exceptionally important.

    The head judge can not order an “en banc” review, regardless of your fevered imagination. The majority of the judges in the second circuit have to feel that this case is exceptionally important and that Brady’s case has merit.

    Olson is there because this is high profile free publicity case with unlimited pockets to pay his $1,800/hr salary. All he has to do is write a couple of briefs and make $100k even if it doesn’t go any further. Easy money, free publicity, what’s not to like from the lawyer’s perspective?

  51. tomtravis76 says:
    Apr 30, 2016 11:53 AM
    Why is Brady destroying his cell phone even an issue? It’s not like his provider can’t retrieve any and all texts, call logs, photos,etc. We are in 2016 , your data imprint cannot be erased. Plus any texts between Brady and Pats employees will be saved in their texts,calls,etc.
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    Agreed, and Brady even offered his logs at his appeal, but Goodell refused! Why? – because they already knew (as per your point) that there’d be nothing to find and so all they had was the PR spin of “he destroyed his phone”. Brady was slow to offer the logs but he’d already provided all his private emails and seen Goodell immediately leak info from them (such as negative comments about Manning by Brady’s friends) in order to smear Brady a little more.

  52. bencoates57 says:
    Apr 30, 2016 1:09 PM

    If the NFL REALLY believed there was something on Tom’s phone, all they had to do is acquire the phones of the team personnel who Tom communicated with. They have no interest in doing that. (Jordan fades back … swoosh … and that’s the game).
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    Do you mean team personnel like McNally and Jastremski? They did acquire their phones.

  53. Brady is getting terrible advise. When so many kids go to bed hungry, Brady is spending millions to fight a 4 games suspension. Really?

  54. Do any of you really believe that Brady would go in front of the Supreme Court of the United States and lie?…He already is the only one to testify under oath . If this is reheard serial liar Goodell will be forced to tell the truth and the NFL is toast.

  55. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    Apr 30, 2016 1:52 PM

    Brady is getting terrible advise. When so many kids go to bed hungry, Brady is spending millions to fight a 4 games suspension. Really?
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    He is spending millions fighting a corrupt commissioner.

    If you were a Patriots fan, you would understand that.

  56. This isn’t about deflating footballs anymore. This is about Union Law and the power Goodell has to treat any member of the Union in any way he sees fit. When Berman overturned the suspension he outlined 3 facts that the front office did not follow: 1.The lack of advance notice Brady could be suspended for ball tampering or less-than-full cooperation with the investigation 2.The quarterback was not allowed to examine NFL general counsel Jeff Pash, one of the lead investigators who probed the case. 3.Brady was denied equal access to investigative files such as witness interview notes.

    The NFL says they can do whatever they wants according to Rule 46. Well maybe they could follow their own policies. Equipment violations are a 25,000 fine. How did this turn into what it did?

  57. Brady broke his contract with the NFL when he destroyed his cell phone. He can’t hide behind the NFLPA. He has lied mutiple times and not a single judge believes him on why he destroyed his cell phone. And do you really think JJ and JM were the only two people he would have communicated with?

  58. cgsuddeath says:
    Apr 30, 2016 12:28 PM
    Brady can kick and scream all he wants.Fact.His image is forever tarnished already.

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    Actually, turn that around. You haters can kick and scream all you want. Fact. His image isn’t tarnished at all and he will be eventually exonerated. Deal with it

  59. limakey says:
    Apr 30, 2016 4:35 PM

    Brady broke his contract with the NFL when he destroyed his cell phone. He can’t hide behind the NFLPA. He has lied mutiple times and not a single judge believes him on why he destroyed his cell phone. And do you really think JJ and JM were the only two people he would have communicated with?
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    Brady’s phone was not evidence, and he was under no contractual obligation to treat it as such. He could have said he threw it in the Boston Harbor, or drove over it with his car, or dropped it in the toilet when he was dropping a deuce. None of it would have mattered.

    Regardless of those facts, he provided all of the pertinent information, from his phone, about whom he contacted, and the league decided to ignore it.

  60. luvpeytonmanning says:
    Apr 30, 2016 1:08 PM

    Give me a break man up and sit out your 4 games.
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    Yeah! Give up! That’s what the trolls do when they face adversity…Hence, their perennial seat in the Loser’s Circle.

    20+ Years of NFL Dominance!

  61. blackstrat says:
    Apr 30, 2016 11:37 AM

    Brady cheated.
    Period!
    He is a great QB no doubt and he probably did not need to cheat to be a great QB, but, he is also a cheater.
    He cheated to gain a competitive advantage and therefore he is a cheater.
    Kraft and Patriot fans can spin and deny all they want but the facts remain, Brady along with the Patriot teams complicity cheated to gain an unfair advantage to win games.
    Therefore, all their winning seasons fall to reasonable suspicion that since they cheated with football pressures. what else have they done to win past games but were never caught.
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    Great fictional read here. Now let’s see how it holds up to scrutiny…Prove ANY of those bold accusation.

    CRICKETS!

    You lose, Patriots Win! Again and again and again.

  62. HEADLINE: Trolls Win the Public Opinion Bowl!

    Yay Trolls!

    No dates scheduled for the trophy ceremony yet. They want to have it when the most possible trolls can attend. Rumor has it, that the date will most likely be set after the start of the NFL playoffs. Ironically, Tom Brady will be playing those weekends, while most of the trolls will be free to attend.

    20+ Years of NFL Dominance!

  63. terripet says:
    Apr 30, 2016 11:58 AM

    What a waste of money, let it go cheater Tom your guilty
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    A common troll refrain from the Loser’s Circle!

    Run along now, the adults are talking…

  64. limakey says:
    Apr 30, 2016 4:35 PM
    Brady broke his contract with the NFL when he destroyed his cell phone.
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    Where do you get this stuff?

  65. kelsey59 says:
    Apr 30, 2016 12:21 PM

    Brady needs to be treated the same way you treat a 2 year old when they don’t like their punishment. If he keeps having this tantrum, make it a 1 year suspension. That will put a stop to this.
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    How cute, more pipe dreams from Troll Fantasy Island!

    Here in reality…Worst case is four games, a nice little rest for our aging QB. Pool side with his beautiful wife and children. Reviewing game film and getting ready for another deep run in the playoffs.

    (Thanks Roger, you gave the Patriots time to get their O-line in order before putting Brady back there. Perfect.)

    Let’s see you nickname and # your way out of that reality.

    Quick, back to the island to start fabricating accusations to explain losing to Garoppelo! Enjoy the Loser’s Circle.

    20+ Years of NFL Dominance! Fact not Opinion!

  66. mixjuan says:
    Apr 30, 2016 5:07 PM

    cgsuddeath says:
    Apr 30, 2016 12:28 PM
    Brady can kick and scream all he wants.Fact.His image is forever tarnished already.

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    Actually, turn that around. You haters can kick and scream all you want. Fact. His image isn’t tarnished at all and he will be eventually exonerated. Deal with it

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    Like all the delusional Patriot fans,you can remain in denial.

  67. eroschmidt says:
    Apr 30, 2016 11:49 AM

    There won’t be a “next round”. The full second circuit and the Supreme Court will both refuse to hear the case. The CBA language is clear. See you week 5, Tommy
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    Hey everybody, more troll speculation here. One of their favorite things to do out on Troll Fantasy Island. They’re all pumped up out there, because Roger’s got them thinking their speculation and opinions matter…Yay trolls! Being willfully ignorant is the best! (Roger counts on the fact that none of you seem to be able to read documents for yourselves. Sports Center headlines only. Embarrassing.)

    Worst case, it gives the Patriots time to get the O-line straightened out before Brady returns for another deep run in the playoffs.

    Thanks Roger!

    20+ Years of NFL Dominance. Fact not Opinion.

  68. cgsuddeath says:
    Apr 30, 2016 6:04 PM

    Like all the delusional Patriot fans,you can remain in denial.
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    Still can’t find any mention of “tarnish” or “*” on NFL.com next to anything Patriots?

    Where are you guys finding that?

    Oh, you guys are getting all excited about DREAMING about it. Oh okay….You continue to celebrate your pipe dreams about “*” and “tarnish”…

    We’ll continue to celebrate 20+ Years of NFL Dominance.

    We Win Again and again and again…

    Now back to Troll Fantasy Island with you…Run!

  69. Ted Olson’s wife was killed on 9/11…First Sunday of the coming NFL season (and the first game Brady is slated to miss) will be on 9/11…I’m not sure why I think that is weird, eerie, odd, whatever, but I do.

  70. bigbear331313 says:
    Apr 30, 2016 6:28 PM

    cgsuddeath says:
    Apr 30, 2016 6:04 PM

    Like all the delusional Patriot fans,you can remain in denial.
    ________________________________________

    Still can’t find any mention of “tarnish” or “*” on NFL.com next to anything Patriots?

    Where are you guys finding that?

    Oh, you guys are getting all excited about DREAMING about it. Oh okay….You continue to celebrate your pipe dreams about “*” and “tarnish”…

    We’ll continue to celebrate 20+ Years of NFL Dominance.

    We Win Again and again and again…

    Now back to Troll Fantasy Island with you…Run
    ===================================
    Meanwhile when they go back to being in relative obscurity trolls like yourself will go hiding under the bridge again and look at asterisks next to your Super Bowl wins.Better known as the team that cheats to win.

  71. All i hear is a lot of bravado by Brady backers. Oooohhh, the NFLPA brought in another lawyer, you are in trouble now. According to the Pats fans the courts should’ve already have destroyed the NFL and awarded Brady ownership of the league.
    _______________________________________

    That’s funny, because all we heard from the same Trolls was how he was going to sit out last year and would never win in the first Federal Court. (The one where NFL and Hater Trolls got slapped around.) Oops! Looks like you were wrong. Repeatedly wrong. Last we checked, he hasn’t missed one game! Does that make you angry trolls?

    And what perfect timing if he does sit out. Let the O-line get straightened out the first few games. No need to get Brady hurt early in the season for no reason. A few meaningless games. Let the other teams, your teams, struggle and worry about making the playoffs. Not hear in NE. Patriots are on Easy Street.

    Poor Trolls are getting all pumped up about a possible suspension that will ultimately benefit the Patriots. Brady will be well rested and still be in the playoffs when it counts. Bahhhh Hahahaha!

    Open wide Loser’s Circle, here comes a big spoonful of your Crybaby Soup…

  72. Poor Trolls are getting all pumped up about a possible suspension that will ultimately benefit the Patriots anyway.

    Patriots get a good look at the backup QB and Brady will be well rested and still be in the playoffs when it counts. Bahhhh Hahahaha!

    Open wide Loser’s Circle, here comes a big spoonful of your Crybaby Soup…

  73. cgsuddeath says:
    Apr 30, 2016 7:34 PM

    Meanwhile when they go back to being in relative obscurity trolls like yourself will go hiding under the bridge again and look at asterisks next to your Super Bowl wins.Better known as the team that cheats to win.
    ______________________________________

    Yup, I’ll continue to hunt trolls like yourself and every time you cry out some unproven accusation, I’ll continue to slap you around with facts and logic.

    Can’t seem to find those asterisks you keep talking about. Obviously, just a pipe dream for the poor little trolls.
    Here in reality, we’ll be heading down to 1 Patriot Place to view the multiple championships and Super Bowls trophies, while the trolls are getting together to talk about how cool it would be if there were asterisks in the record book. Yay Trolls!

    We win, you lose! In reality and fantasy land…

    Kiss The RingS! 20+ Years of NFL Dominance.

  74. bubbybrister/shovelpass says:
    Apr 30, 2016 7:35 PM

    I wonder what bigbear thinks about this?
    ___________________________________

    He thinks you don’t want to put out some weak minded, willfully ignorant statement for fear of being called out and exposed like all the others…

    Hows that?

  75. bigbear331313 says:
    Apr 30, 2016 8:32 PM

    bubbybrister/shovelpass says:
    Apr 30, 2016 7:35 PM

    I wonder what bigbear thinks about this?
    ___________________________________

    He thinks you don’t want to put out some weak minded, willfully ignorant statement for fear of being called out and exposed like all the others…

    Hows that?
    ___________________________________
    And the delusion continues.

  76. The thing I can’t understand, and I am a union employee with a cba of my own, is that why is there no such progressive discipline? I know it’s apples and oranges, however take Matt Cooke the hockey player, the guy has had numerous suspendible events, more often then not he gets same punishment no matter how egregious the act. The NFL fails to set standards of first offense, second offense and so on, in my estimation this should have stayed out of the court system and followed rules of the CBA. Then again there doesn’t seem to be any rules here. I hope for the cba sake and the players Tom wins in court. This will make a organization such as the NFL to get their act together, and hopefully rid itself of this inept commissioner.

  77. QBs lobbied the league to be able to prep their own footballs with the main reason for that being brand new balls were too slick. Since 2006 they can do whatever they want to them to get them a little tackier, easier to grip and throw. I’d guess those things they do to them help the QB more than letting out .38 PSI would. And why wouldn’t he just ask then if he could go lower then 12.5 if that’s what he wanted? The league that wanted more offense would say no? “You can put the balls through heck to get them how you want but no way we can let you go below 12.5!. Not to mention the Wells report makes it pretty clear Brady wanted them at 12.5 and made sure the officials knew that. That part is actually what changed my mind. I thought they were probably doing it until I learned more of the facts. More likely he’d do like Rodgers and just turn them in for inspection low and hope the refs dont inflate them. You’d think it would have come out that he’s done that a lot in the past- turned them in “low” if that’s how he liked him. But again, pretty clear he didnt want them under the limit.
    I could see a “under inflated ball” being easier to catch and hold on to but that doesn’t have much to do with Brady. I’m sure if you can’t catch his footballs the way he likes they’ll get somebody that can.

    THis offense, if it happened is almost identical to players using stick’ em. Same general idea right? Well now instead of an equipment violation it’s now violating the integrity of the game and a 4 game suspension. (except when the Chargers were recently caught using stick em, it was only 20k for them. And dont give me the phone thing, Brady was suspended for violating the integrity of the game, nothing to do with the phone in the original suspension ruling. That only came up at the appeal.

    But think about that, almost anything can be 4 games now.

    And dont give me “Repeat offender” either. Brady was not in any way linked to “Spygate”, He actually only became the “fantasy stud” type QB after they got busted for taping. You all tell us all the time he was merely a game manager for the for first 3 Lomardis. Busted the first game of ’07, only went on to break numerous records lol
    On top of that other teams taped too and never had their’s destroyed! A lot of the Pats stuff that got destoyed was totally legal, even Goodell said it “might have been collected within the rules but we couldn’t determine that”!

  78. eagleswin says:
    Apr 30, 2016 11:33 AM
    Florio is correct in that the union is just stalling for some reason. My guess is because Brady will have a stay on his punishment until the second court decides to refuse their appeal. The key is to make the appeal as close to the regular season as possible so that Tom doesn’t miss the games at the beginning of the season before they rule against him.

    If he has to miss games it’d be best if they were first 4 games, not later. Did you actually think before posting that?

    And I don’t recall the reasons they gave for wanting the extension but they had 3 pretty valid ones. It wasnt so Brady would miss later, more important games though, I promise you that

  79. I think that most followers of this sad saga readily recognize that Goodell did not act alone when he decided to take action against the Patriots. After all, Goodell works for the NFL owners and would never have taken any independent action on such a high profile case.

    Given the lack of “real” evidence that the Patriots have done anything wrong, one can only conclude that Goodell and a certain cadre of NFL owners conspired to harm the Patriots competitive position by fabricating a false case against the Patriots.

    I certainly hope that all of the “conspirators” are exposed and punished for their “criminal” actions against the Patriots. What is so outrageous is Goodell’s claim that he has taken this action against the Patriots to “protect the integrity of the game”. In fact, it is Goodell (and those owners who prodded him to take this action) that have negatively impacted the “integrity of the game” and they should all be exposed and punished for their fraudulent actions!

  80. So many fans were up in arms over what the NFL has spent bringing this case against Tom Brady but what of the money the NFLPA is paying to defend Tom Brady. Would they do the same for every player? I doubt it. This is sheer lunacy and it is time, for the sake of football, that Brady take his lumps and move on.

  81. patchie61 says:
    May 1, 2016 9:45 AM

    So many fans were up in arms over what the NFL has spent bringing this case against Tom Brady but what of the money the NFLPA is paying to defend Tom Brady. Would they do the same for every player? I doubt it. This is sheer lunacy and it is time, for the sake of football, that Brady take his lumps and move on.
    ————————————-

    People were up in arms because the NFL spent so much money perpetrating an obvious fraud designed only to further inflate Goodell’s huge ego.

    The money spent by the NFLPA to defend Tom Brady against false accusations and to fight a corrupt commissioner is money well spent, and benefits all of the players.

  82. cgsuddeath says:
    Apr 30, 2016 8:44 PM

    And the delusion continues.
    ————————————————–

    For you and your “*” and “tarnish”…

    Run along now, you bore us…

  83. mmack, I can’t find your post but all NFL players sign a contract with the NFL. In that contract they state they will fully cooperate in all investigations, Full cooperation also includes electronic communications, such as cell phones. When Brady destroyed his cell phone, he broke that contract and he destroyed evidence. He never used the union as the reason he would not turn it over.

  84. This is the gift that keeps giving.

    Anyone with an ounce of intelligence and a somewhat open mind, after considering all the evidence, knows the Pats are guilty of serial cheating.

    Their owner has admitted it through the act of paying millions in fines and forfeiting multiple picks.

    The only miscarriage of justice was not banning Belicheat for a year as precedent dictated.

  85. Exactly, mmack66! We shouldn’t allow the real liars and cheaters (the owners who “enlisted” Goodell (a spineless sycophant) to do their fraudulent bidding to hobble the Patriots via blatant lies and false accusations).

    Clearly limakey didn’t take the time to actually read and review the real evidence which clearly illustrates the fraudulent nature of Goodell’s supposed case against Brady and the Patriots.

    In a real court of law — instead of this NFL kangaroo court where apparently Goodell has God-like powers to punish whomever he wants for whatever the reason, valid or not — this case would have been summarily dismissed. It’s all so ridiculous.

    The system of justice in the NFL should mirror the legal system of the USA. There must be substantial proof and NOT just rumors, conjecture, and innuendo… And, limakey, Brady only destroyed his phone AFTER fulfilling the NFL’s request that he turn over a complete printed set of the messages/information that the NFL investigators requested — and they formally acknowledged that he did indeed deliver as promised.

    Brady would’ve been insane to just hand over his phone where truly private and personal details about the personal lives of Brady and his famous model wife might be revealed through some circuitous means. This is the “USA” after all, where respect for rights to personal privacy and individual freedoms have been codified into our national laws and psyche.

    This entire case has no substance whatsoever — NONE. It has been a horrendous waste of time and effort and has only served to illegitimately harm Tom Brady’s reputation. Tom should be able to file a defamation suit seeking compensatory damages against Goodell and the NFL.

    This entire process has been a shameful sham and certain NFL league personalities should be made to suffer the legal consequences!

  86. It’s incredible the blatant ignorance some of the bandwagon NFL pretenders will show from knowledge of nothing. Admit what? There Is no evidence and if the brain dead haters here would actually read the Wells report and followed the story properly, you’d know the cell phone was destroyed as Brady does with all old phones but not until after Wells said it was not needed. Grow some brains people and stop sounding like idiots with information someone told you and possibly show you’re capable of an independent thought.

  87. realitycheckbaby says:
    May 1, 2016 12:48 PM

    This is the gift that keeps giving.

    Anyone with an ounce of intelligence and a somewhat open mind, after considering all the evidence, knows the Pats are guilty of serial cheating.

    Their owner has admitted it through the act of paying millions in fines and forfeiting multiple picks.

    The only miscarriage of justice was not banning Belicheat for a year as precedent dictated.
    ________________________________________

    Ah yes, another weak minded, willfully ignorant response. Complete with the neat little nickname. (Just missing a cute little #. All the similar posts, full of such bluster, speculation and opinion. But, as always, short of actual facts.

    Heads up everyone, you are most likely about to witness one of two things after these two words… Prove it :

    1. Regurgitation of already proven NFL lies

    2. CRICKETS…

    Wait for it…wait for it…

  88. spillertime21 says:
    Apr 30, 2016 11:23 AM

    The DPR: the patriots have ignored the word “fair” since the day they hired belli-cheat.

    #doublestandards
    _______________________________________

    Text book troll post right there. No facts, but with an ever so hurtful Patriot nickname and #. Ouch!

    Kiss The RingS!

  89. Enough of the “he destroyed his cellphone”. Anyone who posts about the cellphone only exposes how ignorant they are about this case.

    No NFL player has to surrender his personal cellphone. The NFL does NOT have subpoena power.

    Ted Wells said he did NOT want Brady’s cellphone, only the texts, list of calls & emails that were relevant. And Brady provided Wells & Goodell with ALL that information.

    The only reason ANYONE knows about the cellphone’s destruction was b/c Brady informed the NFL of this. The NFL didn’t “discover” this, nor did Brady try to hide this fact.

    So, to recap, Wells did not ask for the cellphone. There was no legal authority for the NFL to compel Brady to surrender his cellphone. And ALL the data the NFL & Wells asked for from the phone was provided by Brady.

    Tom Brady is an A list celebrity. I don’t say this to suggest he’s above any laws. I say this b/c he lives in a different world they most of us. Just prior to the Wells meeting, Jennifer Lawrence’s phone was hacked & photos of her went viral. This after Scarlett johanson’s phone was hacked & photos of her went viral.

    Just before Brady was to meet with Wells, NFL Offices were leaking information constantly about this case. Most of which has now been proven to be 100% false.

    Isn’t it possible Brady felt that his personal information was at risk during his meeting with Wells & the NFL? Lawrence & ScarJo didn’t readily hand over their phones but they were hacked nonetheless.

    Brady’s not only married to a world famous model, but his phone book contains more famous people’s information, people like Mark Wahlberg, etc.

    Instead of worrying about the “cellphone” which was and is irrelevant, concern yourself with the fact that Goodell is ON RECORD lying about Brady’s testimony in his appeal award. He didn’t think Berman would unsealed the Appeal Transcript. Berman did and it revealed Goodell’s lie.

    So instead of an irrelevant cellphone, ask yourself IF the NFL’s case is solid, why did Goodell have to lie about Brady’s testimony?

  90. Excellent summarization, godzilla502. Thank you. This should definitively put this entire sordid matter to rest. (Sordid on the part of Goodell and his co-conspirators, that is.)

    All of America should realize that if anyone should be punished because of “deflategate”, it should be Goodell and those who conspired with him to fraudulently prosecute Brady and the Patriots at large. And it should also be said, in no uncertain terms, that Goodell and his cohorts in this whole despicable affair are nothing more than a bunch of lying, duplicitous scumbags. Period. End of story.

  91. Godzilla, Why didn’t Brady tell Wells on the day he was interviewed or at his appeal hearing that he had destroyed his cell phone? He did hide it. I believe two of the three judges have addressed this issue, in great detail. The only reason why Brady destroyed his cell phone was to destroy evidence. That is the only reason. The only people who don’t believe this are the ones who are truly ignorant. Not only of the facts but what Brady’s stratedgy has been from day one. He is protecting himself while he has allowed everybody else, including Mr. Kraft to be thrown under the bus.

  92. limakey says:
    May 1, 2016 7:44 PM
    Godzilla, Why didn’t Brady tell Wells on the day he was interviewed or at his appeal hearing that he had destroyed his cell phone? He did hide it. I believe two of the three judges have addressed this issue, in great detail. The only reason why Brady destroyed his cell phone was to destroy evidence. That is the only reason. The only people who don’t believe this are the ones who are truly ignorant. Not only of the facts but what Brady’s stratedgy has been from day one. He is protecting himself while he has allowed everybody else, including Mr. Kraft to be thrown under the bus.

    ————

    That is such nonsense. Brady wasn’t even required to ever submit his phone.

  93. bigbear331313 says:
    May 1, 2016 11:23 AM

    cgsuddeath says:
    Apr 30, 2016 8:44 PM

    And the delusion continues.
    ————————————————–

    For you and your “*” and “tarnish”…

    Run along now, you bore us…

    This kind of lunacy doesn’t even require a response.

  94. limakey says:
    May 1, 2016 7:44 PM

    Godzilla, Why didn’t Brady tell Wells on the day he was interviewed or at his appeal hearing that he had destroyed his cell phone? He did hide it. I believe two of the three judges have addressed this issue, in great detail. The only reason why Brady destroyed his cell phone was to destroy evidence. That is the only reason. The only people who don’t believe this are the ones who are truly ignorant. Not only of the facts but what Brady’s stratedgy has been from day one. He is protecting himself while he has allowed everybody else, including Mr. Kraft to be thrown under the bus.
    ________________________________________

    More troll speculation. This troll obviously hasn’t read the Wells report or other supporting documentation or they would know that the NFL lead investigator told Brady he didn’t need the phone. They had all information from his phone as hard copy. Wells highlighted this FACT in his national interview.

    Guess you missed that little inconvenient detail before writing your post?

    If on the record you say you don’t need the phone, but then make it a corner stone of your argument when you don’t have it…We call that lying or being duplicitous. That is only seen as a good thing out on Troll Fantasy Island.

    Any other willfully ignorant statements you want to share or debate?

    20+ Years of NFL Dominance!

  95. limakey, read this carefully and try to digest the simple facts presented by godzilla502 from an earlier post….And STOP REPEATING THE SAME LIES THAT GOODELL AND HIS HENCHMEN have been spreading.

    (The following is an excellent summarization of the so called “Brady destroyed the evidence when he destroyed his cell phone” bullcrap. It was posted by godzilla502 earlier in this story.)

    here it is….

    Enough of the “he destroyed his cellphone”. Anyone who posts about the cellphone only exposes how ignorant they are about this case.

    No NFL player has to surrender his personal cellphone. The NFL does NOT have subpoena power.

    Ted Wells said he did NOT want Brady’s cellphone, only the texts, list of calls & emails that were relevant. And Brady provided Wells & Goodell with ALL that information.

    The only reason ANYONE knows about the cellphone’s destruction was b/c Brady informed the NFL of this. The NFL didn’t “discover” this, nor did Brady try to hide this fact.

    So, to recap, Wells did not ask for the cellphone. There was no legal authority for the NFL to compel Brady to surrender his cellphone. And ALL the data the NFL & Wells asked for from the phone was provided by Brady.

    Tom Brady is an A list celebrity. I don’t say this to suggest he’s above any laws. I say this b/c he lives in a different world they most of us. Just prior to the Wells meeting, Jennifer Lawrence’s phone was hacked & photos of her went viral. This after Scarlett johanson’s phone was hacked & photos of her went viral.

    Just before Brady was to meet with Wells, NFL Offices were leaking information constantly about this case. Most of which has now been proven to be 100% false.

    Isn’t it possible Brady felt that his personal information was at risk during his meeting with Wells & the NFL? Lawrence & ScarJo didn’t readily hand over their phones but they were hacked nonetheless.

    Brady’s not only married to a world famous model, but his phone book contains more famous people’s information, people like Mark Wahlberg, etc.

    Instead of worrying about the “cellphone” which was and is irrelevant, concern yourself with the fact that Goodell is ON RECORD lying about Brady’s testimony in his appeal award. He didn’t think Berman would unsealed the Appeal Transcript. Berman did and it revealed Goodell’s lie.

    So instead of an irrelevant cellphone, ask yourself IF the NFL’s case is solid, why did Goodell have to lie about Brady’s testimony?

  96. Tee hee 🙂 Patriot Hater is way too funny!

    #WeAreJustBetterThanYou
    #UAreNotInOURLeague
    #UDontBelongOnTheFieldWithUS
    #UDontDeserveToBeMentionedWithUS

  97. What needs to happen at this point is a Congressional hearing. I’m done with Article 46 and the mistaken notion that Goodell has the power to perpetrate a fraud.

    They need to get Goodell and his minions up in front of people that are able to ask questions about exactly who knew what and get to the bottom of how the whole fraud was perpetrated.

  98. limakey says:
    May 1, 2016 7:44 PM
    Godzilla, Why didn’t Brady tell Wells on the day he was interviewed or at his appeal hearing that he had destroyed his cell phone? He did hide it.
    ————————————–

    Brady was the one that told them that he got a new cell phone. How else do you think they knew?

    Regardless, he provided all of the information from his phone about who he contacted and when. The NFL is at fault for not doing anything with that info.

  99. Scroll up and read the article again.

    Is there ANY mention of footballs, cell phones, text messages or psi?

    No.

    This entire case was never about Brady nor any alleged cheating. This entire case from the start is about the NFL trying to reestablish its complete power to do whatever it wants.

    Anyone still saying “he’s a cheater” are exposing themselves as jealous crybabies who are sick of seeing the Pats win. They’re ignoring the truth about why this case keeps dragging out and keep trying to make it about Brady.

    All they’re really saying is, “I’m sad that my team has no chance as long as the Pats have the GOAT coach and QB. [sad face emoji]”

    waah, waah, waah…

  100. wetookavote says:
    Apr 30, 2016 11:24 AM
    Whatever one thinks of Goodell, why would he — as the representative of management in a labor dispute — voluntarily relinquish power that was negotiated in the CBA? Now the NFLPA has buyer’s remorse and is trying to get the consequences of their short-sightedness overturned in court. If it didn’t want Goodell to have the power, it should have negotiated a different deal instead of tying up an already overworked legal system trying to convince somebody else to fix its mistake.
    ====================
    Except the commissioner has always had the power to discipline players. Well before Goodell. Fans who want to summarize this as buyers remorse forget about this in an attempt to justify what amounts to malfeasance by Goodell. This isn’t and has never been about relinquishing power to discipline players. It’s about the commissioner legislating his power according to what was agreed upon in the CBA. Or simply, using player discipline powers to decide on issues that aren’t considered within the scope of player discipline.

  101. sbaltimore says:
    Apr 30, 2016 11:07 AM
    Since I’m sure Ted Olson isn’t taking this case Pro Bono I bet that when this is all said and done Brady will lose a lot more in legal fees than he would have lost by taking the 4 game suspension. (But I’m sure it’s worth it to him because he’s only doing this because he knows he’s innocent and must protect his innocence at all cost.)

    *cough cough*
    =================
    It stands to reason only guilty people position litigation all the way tot he supreme court because they are guilty.

    *cough cough*

  102. tomtravis76 says:
    Apr 30, 2016 11:53 AM
    Why is Brady destroying his cell phone even an issue? It’s not like his provider can’t retrieve any and all texts, call logs, photos,etc. We are in 2016 , your data imprint cannot be erased. Plus any texts between Brady and Pats employees will be saved in their texts,calls,etc.
    ======================
    The logs were provided. The NFL did nothing with them stating it was too difficult. Even though it’s the exact information they asked Brady to provide at the first “appeals” hearing. Additionally, the Wells report found Brady guilty when his phone was still intact.

  103. limakey says:
    May 1, 2016 11:25 AM

    mmack, I can’t find your post but all NFL players sign a contract with the NFL. In that contract they state they will fully cooperate in all investigations, Full cooperation also includes electronic communications, such as cell phones. When Brady destroyed his cell phone, he broke that contract and he destroyed evidence. He never used the union as the reason he would not turn it over.
    ——————————-

    Ted Wells stated in the Pash report that Tom Brady cooperated fully, and that he didn’t want Tom Brady to physically hand over his cell phone.

    Tom Brady later provided all of the information, from his cell phone, about who he called and when, but the NFL decided not to use that information.

  104. limakey says:
    Apr 30, 2016 4:35 PM
    Brady broke his contract with the NFL when he destroyed his cell phone. He can’t hide behind the NFLPA. He has lied mutiple times and not a single judge believes him on why he destroyed his cell phone. And do you really think JJ and JM were the only two people he would have communicated with?
    ==============
    Seriously? You think breaking the phone you pay for constitutes breaking an NFL contract? Ummm…no. If it was paid for by the NFL you might have an argument (at best). Brady was found guilty by Wells for not providing his phone. The phone was replaced AFTER the Wells report. The logs of the phone were provided to Goodell and nothing was done with them. You would think somebody who ardently wanted to get tot he truth would have looked at the logs. If nothing else to prove your claim JJ\JM weren’t the only two Brady communicated with. Why do you suppose the logs were ignored?

  105. limakey says:
    May 1, 2016 11:25 AM
    mmack, I can’t find your post but all NFL players sign a contract with the NFL. In that contract they state they will fully cooperate in all investigations, Full cooperation also includes electronic communications, such as cell phones. When Brady destroyed his cell phone, he broke that contract and he destroyed evidence. He never used the union as the reason he would not turn it over.
    ==================
    Rubbish. The NFL contract does not state electronic communications are required to be handed over. Not sure what you’ve been digesting from the NFL but you are categorically wrong. The NFL or any organization for that matter cannot conscript personal communications. There’s a reason why electronic communications need to have a subpoena.

  106. It’s clear that Patriot Hater is getting more and more desperate every day! 🙂

    It’s SO much fun to laugh at them!

    🙂

  107. mmack, I can’t find your post but all NFL players sign a contract with the NFL. In that contract they state they will fully cooperate in all investigations

    —-
    Funny….I’ve seen an NFL contract form and it says no such thing. 🙂

    Patriot Hater really is getting more and more desperate. Now they resort to making up fairy tales cause the truth is crashing down on them. 🙂 I LOVE IT!

  108. realitycheckbaby says:
    May 1, 2016 12:48 PM
    This is the gift that keeps giving.

    Anyone with an ounce of intelligence and a somewhat open mind, after considering all the evidence, knows the Pats are guilty of serial cheating.

    I see it the opposite. If you truly have an open and read up on the facts you’d at least have some doubts about whether they did anything

    Amount of “air”missing almost exactly matches the discrepancy between the 2 crappy gauges. Heck of a coincidence there, no? Also the report disregarding Anderson’s best recollection of which gauge he used and trying to fudge the photo of said gauges to make them look more similar than they were. Pretty shady, no?

    And it’s made very clear in the report Brady wanted the balls at 12.5. Made sure the officials knew that

    I’ll stop there since I know your kind wont read anyway lol

    but no idea why all the lies/deceit/faulty experiments in the report if they thought they had a strong case but sure, good enough to convince many that they knew wouldn’t actually take the time to read up…

  109. cgsuddeath says:
    May 1, 2016 11:29 PM

    This kind of lunacy doesn’t even require a response.
    ________________________________________

    CRICKETS, the mascot of trolls everywhere!

    Yeah, calling out the trolls to support their crybaby accusations is complete lunacy….You’d obviously rather run away. Bye bye troll…

    Patriot Fans Win Again!

  110. Patriot Fans Win Again!

    —-
    As we always do.

    As we always will.

    The Patriots and their fans are just better than everyone else at everything. That’s just the way it is.

    I only preach what is the truth.

    Cheers! 🙂

  111. limakey says: Brady broke his contract with the NFL when he destroyed his cell phone.
    ———————————————–

    Um – no, the NFL has no right to a personal cellphone as Ted Wells acknowledged. Wells stated the NFL didn’t want or need the phone and had no right to it – but asked Brady to provide a list of who he had texted etc. and Brady did exactly that

    Your argument for Brady’s guilt is weak if you have to make facts up.

    Goodell himself refused to give his phone to FBI Director Mueller when he asked to see whether Goodell had sent messages about Ray Rice

    That shows how much of a hypocrite Goodell and some fans are and how biased those who ignore that fact are

    Citing circumstantial evidence in the face of PHYSICAL evidence that showed that in reality the footballs never experienced any unnatural deflation is just as disingenuous

    If there’s overwhelming circumstantial evidence that someone is guilty of murder despite the lack of a body, and then the murder victim walks into court, guess what – that person is NOT going to jail for murder, unless Goodell or Limakey are the judge

  112. It appears the NFLPA and the League approved the vague language in the CBA so it would be open to interpretation when needed, just like we’re doing here.

    I for one believe Congress should stay out of it. It’s already in the courts headed back to appeal. It’s a gross waste of funds but Brady is exercising his rights as is the NFL.

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