Second Circuit grants NFLPA’s request for more time in Brady appeal

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The NFL Players Association wanted more time to decide whether to file a petition for rehearing regarding the outcome of the federal appeal that reinstated Tom Brady’s four-game suspension. The NFL opposed the request.

On Tuesday, the request was granted. As a result, the deadline has been extended from May 9 to May 23.

The union arguably didn’t need extra time to make a decision that, as a practical matter, could be made in a matter of minutes. There’s nothing to lose and everything to gain by seeking a rehearing before the full Second Circuit.

The subtext seems to be that the NFL suspects the union is delaying the volleyball game in the hopes that a final outcome will come as late as possible, potentially keeping Brady on the field for all of the 2016 season. Still, two extra weeks really won’t change much in the grand scheme of things — especially since the NFL needed four full months to complete the initial investigation into the alleged tampering with football air pressure.

169 responses to “Second Circuit grants NFLPA’s request for more time in Brady appeal

  1. Roger Goodell couldn’t run a lemonade stand for 45 minutes without burning it to the ground.

    Fire him.

  2. This is ridiculous…. Just make him serve his damn suspension and move on with it… It makes me hate the NFLPA more than I do Goodell…

  3. By opposing the extension, NFL HQ looked to be completely petty (yet again) and is probably why the extension was granted.

  4. Just give them the four games back if it will shut them up. Tired of hearing about this already. 1695 other players in the NFL and this is the only one we hear about over and over again.

  5. Mike, your “subtext” theory gives the NFL credit it doesn’t deserve.

  6. I hope this drags on for years because i am having a hard time choosing who i hate more…Brady or Goodell…Goodell or Brady…hmmm tough choice.

  7. The league that created this debacle and dragged the ensuing farce out 16 months will not suffer unduly from a two week extension. No doubt there will be endless posts to follow about Brady’s camp dragging it’s heels hoping to delay the inevitable yet in this 16 month ordeal this is the first time Brady and the NFLPA have been responsible for a delay of any kind while the league has dragged it’s heels at every turn prior to this one.

  8. Alternative Title: NFLPA Drags Out Brady Appeal.

    Just finalize (would have used settle but…) this thing and put it in the rear view mirror.

  9. You got caught Shady, take your punishment like a man, not a man who wears Uggs.

  10. The NFLPA can’t just say, ‘we appeal’. They have to justify this longshot as best they can. They just hired TOlsen, who doesn’t strike me as a sports fan(I’m still mad about Bush v Gore). Is it such a mystery they may need to bring him up to speed?

  11. Just get over it, you cheated so take another vacation, and maybe jump off that rock once more time. next time you may not be so lucky!!!

  12. What a shock all the sciences deniers out in force again today.
    There was no tampering or evidence of tampering , none.
    The greatest QB to play the game should continue to fight this sham called frame gate.

  13. To all the haters who chatter on endlessly without brains…IF you were accused of something that you did not do would you “let it go”??? Would you just give up??

    I doubt it……in fact if ANY of you haters faced a thousandth of what Brady has you’d be squealing like stuck pigs of your innocence!!!

  14. I love how even the smallest Brady victory just gets under the skin of the truly clueless trolls whose teams just can’t compete.

  15. Goodell just pooped his pants a little.

    I don’t think he can afford to bribe any more judges.

  16. Eagles fan, MIT Professor John Leonard, stated it best “I am convinced that no deflation occurred and that the Patriots are innocent . It never happened”
    Scientists from Carnegie Mellon, the University of Chicago, Boston College, Rockefeller University, the University of Illinois and Bowdoin College and others have all come to the same conclusion.
    There was NO TAMPERING!!

  17. Bring integrity to the game! Ban Brady and Belicheat as well as stripping the trash of all I’ll gotten gains, records and titles!

  18. butwhatabouttheintegrityofthegame says:
    May 3, 2016 6:36 PM
    Super bowl favorites with or without Brady

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    1 championship in 11 years, the Atlanta Braves of the NFL.

  19. The only deflating of footballs went on in Roger Goodell’s head! I wish Brady would sue for defamation. I would love to see what comes out in discovery.

  20. Jeez. Appeal after appeal after appeal. Just take it to the Supreme Court already. Both sides have the money to pay the lawyers to drag out to that.

  21. The Patriots win.

    Again.

    As they always do.

    Good times in New England.

    Sucks to not be us.

    🙂

  22. On the one hand we have a scientifically accepted equation that has stood the test of scientific minds since 1834. On the other hand we have a biased fact ignoring whiners that continue to believe that they have a grand ability to infer a plot because of a single word typed in the off season. Then you have the mindless fools that continue to believe that someone must be dishonest if they don’t surrender their personal phone to their employer after the employer is caught leaking their private information to the media and after that employer indicated that they did not need to examine the actual phone because the phone logs were provided and they had possession of the other 2 phones. These gullible mindless fools also swallowed the “he destroyed his phone” nfl media spin barrage that was used to sway public opinion in favor of the NFL while smearing Tom Brady.

    Even if you believe that deflation occurred there is no evidence to suggest that anyone wanted any footballs to be under 12.5 psi. There is actually evidence indicating that Tom Brady instructed the staff to put the footballs at 12.5 psi and to remind the officials about the rules. Unfortunately, these over confident individuals are willing to ruin the reputation of one of the greatest football players of all time based on their biased reasoning which was influenced by NFL spin. Taking away the Patriots draft picks and sitting Tom Brady for 4 games is only about league parity. The owners and fans of the other 31 teams feel they need this advantage in order to compete with the Patriots. It’s pathetic that these 31 team owners are abusing the court system in a lame attempt to prevent the Patriots from winning football games.

    For all the dopes that cling to the “but he called himself deflator” tripe. “Deflator” doesn’t mean that someone intends to deflate to a pressure below what the rule book stipulates. Only a dope would attempt to convince themselves that “deflator” is proof of anything. When there are 12 years of nationally televised film of Brady playing like the GOAT. There are also countless former Patriots, many currently playing or coaching for other teams that would have exposed any actual cheating. The Patriots work harder than other teams. Sorry to rain on your “deflator” nonsense but a single word mentioned in the off season is only proof to a biased fool. The Patriots win more because they were better in those games. Having a great coach and quarterback helped them be better.

  23. Tee hee 🙂 Patriot Hater is so ANGRY today for some reason! 🙂

    I wonder why?

  24. “1 championship in 11 years, the Atlanta Braves of the NFL.”

    LOL this maybe be sour-grapiest cherry-picking I’ve seen on a sports topic. Did the Braves win 3 WS in the 80s?

  25. Patriot haters should be careful what they wish for…

    Here’s a scenario…

    Brady loses appeal and serves 4 game suspension…

    Garoppolo goes 3 – 1 in the first 4 games as the starting QB for them. Brady takes over after that and the Pats win the Superbowl.

    Then Belichick flips Garoppolo for a #1 draft pick in 2017..

    And Brady comes back for another one…

    Go Pats!!!!!!

  26. What do all those prestigious highly educated institutions know??!!
    I mean Ted Wells & Exponant know way more than all of them combined…. Exponant even tried to prove second hand smoke does not cause cancer as well…. Now there’s a brilliant institution right there I tell you…. No wonder Wells bought them off (I mean used them) to reach his predetermined conclusion DURRING the independent investigation….
    For you intellectually challenged out there the above is called sarcasm…. Look it up…better yet keep your heads buried like the ostriches you apparently are….
    Sheepple…

  27. All you people out there that have jobs that fall under a CBA had better be worried. This decision will affect ALL of you. Imagine any side that’s party to your agreement saying “We don’t like this anymore so we’re going to go to court to get it overturned.” and see where that lands you.

    The implications of this case go far beyond whether you’re a Brady fan or not. For that reason alone, everyone in this country should be pulling for the League in this case. Given his background, I’m surprised Florio hasn’t spelled the legal implications out in layman’s terms yet.

    Over to you Florio….

  28. If Adrian Petersen prevails in his case then it’s a split decision in the lower courts that Lyin’ Roger Goodell truly has the power to dispense his own brand of industrial justice.

    The Supreme Court does not like split decisions among the lower courts so they might just hear this case if AP prevails.

    Go AP!

    Go Brady!

    Get lost Goodell!

  29. Would any scientist with integrity measure 12 of the Patriots footballs while allowing the Colts balls to warm up after bringing them inside a building during the halftime break? And then only measure 4 of the 12 Colts footballs? Anyone but the most gullible would not have been duped asked why didn’t the NFL alternate and measure one football of each team and then repeat until ALL 24 FOOTBALLS WERE MEASURED. Alternating and measuring all the footballs would have been a more scientific approach that could be understood by a 4th grader. The way the NFL measured the PSI in those footballs was either calculated or incompetence.

    The Patriots were blamed because the pressure of gas in sealed containers is lowered when the container moved from a warm environment to a much colder one. Like from a 70 degree locker room to a football field that is 49 degrees, as it was during the infamous game. Plus it was raining during that game. Anyone that has ever put a cotton shirt in a dryer or worked to put on leather golf gloves after they were wet and then dried out would understand that leather would stretch when wet and shrink with it dries. So if the football stretches slightly when it gets soaked, the pressure inside would drop slightly. Add that drop to the natural drop from the much lower temperature and gives 2 reasons for a natural PSI drop.

    Can any Patriot hater explain my car needed a tire pressure indicator? Is someone going around and removing air from tires when it gets cold outside? — and why does this air removing miscreant seem to always wait for the 1st really cold day of the year to remove the air and set off my cars tire pressure indicator? According to the NFL and intellect challenged masses someone had to do it and it can’t be explained by science or weather.

  30. I want Brady continue to fight until Goodell has to testify under oath (like Brady has and if the NFL could prove he lied under oath, Brady could be sent to prison haters! Think about that)so his lies will be exposed. Then again, the lies he has made throughout this frame job are ignored by Patriot haters because, like little children, it helps to make them feel better about losing to the Patriot’s to able to cry cheaters. Why does Goodell still say Ted Wells investigation was independent when the NFL lawyers were involved? Why are Brady’s stats been so great after this made up scandal? Why didn’t the NFL investigate why the Colt’s footballs, which also tested below the legal PSI, didn’t need to be investigated. Then again, why should I expect jealous, childlike, Patriot haters to care about the truth. I hope the supporters of Roger Goodell and his lies enjoy what he keeps doing to destroy the game of football and how he will continue to abuse his power to feed his ego! Florio and so many have said it before me, watch out when he comes after your team. If he can get away with all the lies in this scam, when will this ego maniacal ever be stopped when he makes up something on another team which could be yours haters!
    1 last thing haters, Roger Goodell did not turn over his personal cell phone when the NFL was investigated in the Ray Rice scandal. More facts that haters choose to ignore unless you want to grow up and man up about what is the real truth!
    Why won’t Goodell release the PSI info that could support his case against Brady? More facts that get in the way of Patriot haters admitting to the REAL truth!!!

  31. cardsfann1 says:
    May 3, 2016 6:32 PM
    This is ridiculous….
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    Ridiculous was the league opposing an extension of 14 days for a player that has played a 16 year career during the course of which he has helped produce many of the games best moments and highest profits.
    As delays go a league that created delays of:

    109 days and millions of dollars to produce an ‘independent investigation’ that at best produced “no direct evidence” and at worst has been demonstrated on review to be erroneous and contain fraudulent misrepresentations.

    5 days after the public release of the Well$ report to announce Brady’s suspension.

    39 days after it’s request to hold Brady’s arbitration hearing while taking 19 of them before announcing Goodell would not recuse himself.

    35 days to announce they would uphold their own suspension but was somehow able to be quick enough to file in their court of choice within minutes of releasing the finding.

    34 days by filing for reinforcement of their decision.

    235 days by appealing the ruling they requested

    Looks more than a little preposterous begrudging a 16 YEAR veteran 14 DAYS in the interest of being expedient. Even the most ardent Goodell fanboy, Brady envier and Patriot hater has to find that level of hypocrisy a bit hard to stomach.

  32. .
    atwatercrushesokoye says

    ” 1 championship in 11 years ”

    Or 4 championships in 14 years….. … Averaging over 12 wins per season since 2001… ….. Last missed the playoffs following the 2008 season when Brady was injured.

    Patriots fans are legitimately disappointed in the performances of the team and their coaching staff. Oh, the humanity!
    .

  33. I love how even the smallest Brady victory just gets under the skin of the truly clueless trolls whose teams just can’t compare. Posted by youknowIknowitall and very well put.

    How about the clown who keeps calling Brady Tammy. Is that the best you can come with ‘whoareyoutoquestionme’?

    The rest of you trolls I’ll clue you in ‘Brady will never stop fighting to erase this NFL smear campaign against him and the Patriots. They didn’t cheat, they didn’t need too, they’re just that good and if you knew anything about this game worth mentioning you would too.

  34. kissbillsrings says:
    May 3, 2016 7:31 PM

    What do all those prestigious highly educated institutions know??!!
    I mean Ted Wells & Exponant know way more than all of them combined…. Exponant even tried to prove second hand smoke does not cause cancer as well…. Now there’s a brilliant institution right there I tell you…. No wonder Wells bought them off (I mean used them) to reach his predetermined conclusion DURRING the independent investigation….
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    The sad thing is that even Exponent couldn’t lower themselves enough to make a definitive statement that the footballs had been deflated. The best they could come up with that it was inconclusive at best that anyone let air out of the footballs.

    That didn’t stop Goodell from carrying on with his fraud, though.

  35. Patriot fanbois wearing out the down vote button on this one….he did it time to move on.

  36. “1 championship in 11 years, the Atlanta Braves of the NFL.”
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    So from 1998 – 2015 the Broncos won how many Super Bowls?? Et tu Bronco?

  37. goodellMustGo says:
    May 3, 2016 7:18 PM
    The Patriots win.

    Again.

    As they always do.
    “““““““““““
    Just not against Denver.

    On the Road.

    In AFC Championship Games.

    Against Peyton Mannimg.

    TeeHee

  38. Oooooh, ahhhh. This next appeal is on Brady’s dime which is growing thin. Cant’ wait for him to hustle into court wearing his Ugghs, man purse and money bag wife. Good times! Go Tammy, GO!

  39. cardsfann1 says:
    May 3, 2016 6:32 PM

    This is ridiculous…. Just make him serve his damn suspension and move on with it… It makes me hate the NFLPA more than I do Goodell…
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    After all the lies that have been made by Goodell and pointed out to you by Florio, you still support Goodell? I will enjoy your whining when he abuses his power against your team! Maybe you can be the first person to explain how the Colt’s footballs got below the legal PSI and why the NFL didn’t care! Then again, why bother because you won’t realize the truth till Goodell screws your team over like he did with NE, the Dolphins and the Saint’s with his buddy Ted Wells making millions off the NFL to prove what Roger Goodell wanted to be proven to make him look so powerful and a “protector of the integrity of the game”! I will enjoy watching the next team getting screwed by “Mr. Integrity” Rog Goodell because so many fans have supported him in this frame job involving the patriot’s! Are you also aware of the lies that the NFL attorney made in the appeal won by the NFL? I forgot, who cares because all hypocritical haters root for teams that have never ever been accused of cheating!

  40. If the NFL is fair and honest it should give the Patriots the less punishment than they imposed on the Vikings an Panthers after both teams were filmed violating NFL rules by using heaters warm footballs during a game played in Minnesota on Nov 30 2014.
    Since the NFL admitted in court that they have no direct evidence against Tom Brady, that punishment should be less. By the way -There was no punishment for the Panthers or Vikings. Both teams received a warning not to do it again.

  41. For the haters that always answer every post with some falsehood relating to a 2007 videotaping incident. Here’s what actually occurred. It wasn’t in the rulebook. It was a Goodell memo sent that year to all teams. The memo was intended to make a change to how teams could film opposing teams during games. Only the location of the camera was changed. All teams still filmed every opponent. The allowed camera location was just a few feet away from where the Patriots camera was.

    The memo had some language that Belichick interpreted to mean that the change only pertained to film that would be used during the live game. Goodell was the author of the memo he was pissed when Belichick interpreted his vague memo differently than how he intended to write it. Since Roger got to be the judge and jury he was able to punish the Patriots to the max.

    As again evidenced by the “deflategate” nonsense it is clear that Goodell wants league parity. The other teams also want league parity. The NFL’s desire for parity was 1st evidenced by the penalty that Goodell imposed in 2007. Goodell made the penalty contingent on how the Patriots performed during 2007 season. Instead of selecting a punishment that he felt was fair he instead created a contingent punishment that would punish the Patriots based on their success in the 2007/2008 season. Because the Patriots made the playoffs they were deprived of their 1st round pick in the 2008 draft all to help with league parity.

    Don’t forget this “Belichick was officially fined $500,000 — the largest fine ever imposed on a coach in the league’s then-87-year history. The Patriots were also fined $250,000.” (Wikipedia) The league aka Goodell received an extra $750,000 in spending money. Not a bad days pay when you got to make the decision yourself. The pathetic thing about this is to this day there are still dopes to this day that will post statements indicating that Roger Goodell somehow favors the Patriots or the team owner.

    The Patriots never got to use the film because the NFL confiscated it. But still dopes to this day will post statements suggesting that the Patriots only win because of that film. The NFL also destroyed the tape to ensure that the Patriots didn’t keep any undisclosed copies. That way if a copy of the film ever surfaced after the NFL destroyed them Goodell could nail the Patriots again for keeping an undisclosed copy. Another pathetic thing about this is to this day there are still dopes that will post statements indicating that Goodell destroyed the tape to help the Patriots.

  42. youknowiknowitall says:
    May 3, 2016 6:37 PM
    By opposing the extension, NFL HQ looked to be completely petty (yet again) and is probably why the extension was granted
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    I disagree. The extension just unnecessarily delays the saga. The court didn’t really offer anything new to consider. If lawyers on either side were unprepared for either outcome, they need to be fired. Almost all of us would be shocked if they didn’t appeal.

  43. cotroutslayer says:
    May 3, 2016 7:35 PM
    All you people out there that have jobs that fall under a CBA… Imagine any side that’s party to your agreement saying “We don’t like this anymore so we’re going to go to court to get it overturned.” and see where that lands you… For that reason alone, everyone in this country should be pulling for the League in this case.
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    If you’d read all the articles you’d know this isn’t simply about the NFLPA saying they no longer like the CBA but saying that Goodell abused his positions as Commish and as Arbitrator, and broke the CBA twice (delegating to Vincent, and denying Brady a “fair” arbitration). So, any employee covered by a CBA in this country, and anyone concerned about contract law and fairness, should be pulling for the NFLPA. – But of course, you’re really just a deflated hater pretending to be concerned about such things.

  44. whoareyoutoquestionme says:
    May 3, 2016 7:54 PM
    Oooooh, ahhhh. This next appeal is on Brady’s dime which is growing thin. Cant’ wait for him to hustle into court wearing his Ugghs, man purse and money bag wife. Good times! Go Tammy, GO!

    I just started a Go Fund Me page for him. He’ll be fine

  45. NFL PSI measurements of the Colts footballs after allowing the footballs to warm up indoors while all 12 of the Patriots footballs were measured twice:
    Colts football #1 12.70 12.35
    Colts football #2 12.75 12.30
    Colts football #3 12.50 12.95
    Colts football #4 12.55 12.15
    As you can see there are some measurements that are below the 12.5 PSI that is called for by the NFL rules. Never any talk about punishments for the Colts or Andrew Luck because they don’t win as much.
    You can also see that these footballs continued to warm up so there were differences between the 2 measurements of the same ball.

  46. Goodell thinks this is good television “it’s exciting” that’s why he does the dumb things he does. The fact he’s dumb is just coincidence.

  47. plum54 says:
    May 3, 2016 6:53 PM
    What a shock all the sciences deniers out in force again today.
    There was no tampering or evidence of tampering , none.
    The greatest QB to play the game should continue to fight this sham called frame gate.
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    And what exactly were the footballs doing in the bathroom? #1 or#2?

  48. There are two kinds of people in the world. People that think Tom Brady might be the greatest QB of all time and people that think he might be the greatest QB of all time, but would never admit it.

  49. Gysot it seems you have a very selective memory, seems you conveniently forget the team that humiliated the Broncos 43-8 in the super bowl, was the same team that the 4 time super bowl Patriots beat the very next year. The very next year! Talk about embarrassing!

  50. Even if Brady wins, I believe he has done irreparable damage to his image. Put aside whether you believe he is guilty or not, the fact that he is wasting millions fighting a 4 games suspension when he could have put that money into better use is hard to ignore. He is getting some really bad advice.

  51. “Has anyone seen the footballs? They were checked in with the refs a few minutes ago- but have since disappeared”

    ANYONE SEEN THEM?

  52. Time out – Can we just pause and look at what the “patriots cheated” posters believe to be true.

    Here’s what NFL & ESPN convinced the headline reading/watching masses to believe – On Jan 18, 2015 a Patriots 48 year old overweight ball boy named Jim McNally, displayed superhuman speed and dexterity while accomplishing the following in just 90 seconds:

    Start the clock — Jim McNally was filmed entering a bathroom and was then able to remove 12 footballs from a large bag and gauge them and then remove a precise amount of air from each of the 12 balls. He would have to gauge each ball again to verify that all 12 would all have the same pressure. (If he removed much air from a ball he would have to insert a pump and add air and gauge again). In those same 90 seconds McNally was also able to run across the football field unseen by anyone or the video camera outside the bathroom and locate the unattended Indianapolis Colts football bag. Then using the same psychic powers McNally had already used to predict the NFL sting, he selected the same 4 footballs that would later be checked by the NFL during half time. After gauging them and removing a precise amount from 3 of the 4 balls and gauging the pressure again he glanced at his watch he saw that he only had 10 seconds left so he didn’t have time to do the 4th ball. So he put them all back in the bag. Then with just 9 seconds remaining he sprinted back across the field unseen by anyone or the video camera outside the bathroom so that he could use the remaining time to catch his breath and then exit the bathroom while moving slow enough for the video camera to capture his image at precisely 90 seconds. — Stop the clock.

    Believing that McNally has superhuman & psychic ability is far more believable than accepting that a 48 year old guy might want to take 90 seconds to relieve himself & wash his hands before watching a 2+ hour football game. Or being able to comprehend that leaving a bag of NFL footballs worth over $1200 unattended on the ground outside a bathroom, when they are going to be needed for a nationally televised game in a few minutes, while you take a leak might be a bad idea. (Occam’s razor suggests that he took a leak)

    It must be easier for the uneducated and or biased masses to accept superhuman and psychic powers of McNally while denying a scientifically accepted law that explains that the pressure in footballs or car tires or any sealed container is lowered when the temperature drops. It’s not “deflation” because no air escapes, it’s just a lowering of the pressure of the air still in the container. (PV = nRT)

    The NFL knows that basic science is way too complicated for the low performers on the left side of the bell curve so Goodell will confiscate draft picks while hiding behind the “deflation” farce. The NFL is helped by a small volunteer army of biased low performers that continue to repeat false information in online posts.

  53. atwatercrushesokoye says:
    May 3, 2016 7:14 PM
    butwhatabouttheintegrityofthegame says:
    May 3, 2016 6:36 PM
    Super bowl favorites with or without Brady

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    1 championship in 11 years, the Atlanta Braves of the NFL.

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    This kind of statement shows how people are just so ignorant. When your worst season is 10 – 6, you have your blinders on.

  54. So if science can rationally explain the ball psi measurements at half time, How does science explain the irrational hate that NFL fans feel towards the greatest quarterback of all time?

  55. mrloser444 says:
    May 3, 2016 8:22 PM

    plum54 says:
    May 3, 2016 6:53 PM
    What a shock all the sciences deniers out in force again today.
    There was no tampering or evidence of tampering , none.
    The greatest QB to play the game should continue to fight this sham called frame gate.
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    And what exactly were the footballs doing in the bathroom? #1 or#2?
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    The ball boy walked by a room full of NFL officials to use the facilities. He walked by, without anyone from the NFL objecting. The same officials who ran out of time at half time to check all the footballs, who let the Colts play with 3/4 of their footballs under 12.5. Yet the ball boy had enough time in under 2 minutes to adjust the balls ??? Don’t think so!!
    Scientists & PFT have already said, if air was in fact removed the PSI levels would have been lower than what they were due to the Ideal Gas Law.
    There was NO TAMPERING!!

  56. I do hope Brady can shut this farce down. What I really wish is for this deflate-gate to be tried in the court of law, not in the offices of Goodell. I guarantee it would be tossed.
    I get the soap opera drama angle, and the interest it draws, but if Brady serves his suspension, NFL ratings will tank for the first month.

  57. As I was reading an article this morning about the abject failure of Dimitroff in Atlanta, I was reminded of how miserable failures every single ex-Patriot is outside of Foxboro. Pioli, Dimitroff, Crennell, Weis, McDaniels, the list never ends. One here or there could be explained, but I can’t think of a single player, coach or executive to have had ANY success away from there. It’s mind boggling. Look at the great coaches of the past, they all had at least some branches that bore fruit. Not Belichick. And is it coincidence that all the teams who have hired former Patriots have also been caught cheating? The Chiefs, the Falcons, even my Broncos thanks to Scum McDaniels. Think about it. Weird, huh?

  58. mrloser444 says:
    May 3, 2016 8:22 PM
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    plum54 says:
    May 3, 2016 6:53 PM
    What a shock all the sciences deniers out in force again today. There was no tampering or evidence of tampering , none. The greatest QB to play the game should continue to fight this sham called frame gate.
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    And what exactly were the footballs doing in the bathroom? #1 or#2?

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    They were passing gas, but not quite a #2…

  59. I’m a pats fan and I don’t think Brady cheated. It didn’t help him. He said he didn’t do it. There is no proof. Refs can’t remember which gauge they used. Refs didn’t record the balls psi before game. Wells didn’t want cell phone. Colts balls were also deflated. Mike Kensil was in charge. Stickum violations are a small fine in NFL. Nfl tested balls psi last year at cold games and still refuses to release numbers. Haters best most rational argument is that Brady cheated because he’s too good not to be cheating.

  60. Dumb people usually think smart people are cheating. It’s easier than putting in the work to get smarter.

  61. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    May 3, 2016 8:45 PM
    As I was reading an article this morning about the abject failure of Dimitroff in Atlanta, I was reminded of how miserable failures every single ex-Patriot is outside of Foxboro. Pioli, Dimitroff, Crennell, Weis, McDaniels, the list never ends. One here or there could be explained, but I can’t think of a single player, coach or executive to have had ANY success away from there. It’s mind boggling. Look at the great coaches of the past, they all had at least some branches that bore fruit. Not Belichick. And is it coincidence that all the teams who have hired former Patriots have also been caught cheating? The Chiefs, the Falcons, even my Broncos thanks to Scum McDaniels. Think about it. Weird, huh?
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    So Bill has/had less help than the other great coaches and still ranks amongst the best? That should vault him to undisputed #1 since he has to do it alone. Great point!

    and lol at McDaniels being the only time your team cheated. We have haters thinking Brady gets paid some under the table- your team got caught actually do that, twice,,,in SB years

  62. It isn’t Brady that has asked for the extension, it is the NFLPA. And if the court thought it was a frivolous request, or if there were no chance that the court would hear an en banc appeal, they would not have granted it.

    And it isn’t about the four games, it is about the notion that Roger Goodell can make up rules as he goes, based on Article 46 of the CBA, in spite of the legal concept of fundamental fairness and the application of the rules of shop that require consistency in rulings and penalties, concepts that override even a collectively bargained relationship between industry and labor.

    That is what the case is about, not Brady’s guilt or innocence. It is an important fight for fairness and consistency in Goodell’s rulings for the sake of all players on all teams.

    And the recent 2-1 ruling only brings the tally to a 2-2 tie in federal courts thus far. It is a close call with major implications for a huge-money industry. And the majority ruling foolishly seemed to hinge on the evidence in the case that Goodell ruled on, when it should have been ruling only on the fairness or unfairness of the process.

    There is still a good chance that the union and Brady win in the end.

  63. You can smell the fear of Patriots Haters in this comment section

  64. Appellate guys always want more time.

    I think in one case, the briefing went per the Court’s rules. Even in that one, however, I made a request to opposing counsel for a stipulation, he was an ass, so I filed on time, and then when he wanted more time for a reply, I objected.

    Appellate work is time consuming and it is challenging to do well. Every word on a 45 page brief has to be perfect. Except for certain rules written in stone (notably the time for filing the appeal) we always move deadlines and at least once, the court is always going to agree.

    There is no great football story here. Appellate lawyers are treating this like any other case.

  65. Let’s just do Simple Facts. Tires, Dirigibles, Balloons, and Footballs always lose pressure when subjected to lower ambient temperature. It’s not a question, It’s an answer. When the temperature falls, so does the air pressure. It. Is. Science.

    The NFL Legal team admits clearly that there is absolutely no evidence that there was any conspiracy to deflate footballs. This is intrinsic and essential to any argument.

    The NFL League Office promised to provide “Extensive Scientific Analysis of In Game Ball PSI” with Real Time/Real Climate/Real Impact Analysis. They collected the data, and they are hiding the results.

    Fundamentally: The NFL League Office has doubled down on a witch hunt. They thought they had the answers… But, facts, truth, reality and integrity have left them with their wiggly parts flaccid and their knickers warming their ankles.

    So, they are doubling down again. Since Scientific facts have been dismissed, and since Mr. Goodell never cared about the cel phone he had access to for six months, The League Office has almost nothing to stand on…

    That Nothing is what this putrid curiosity has sunken to. That Nothing is that The Owners insisted that Roger be ‘The Last Word’.

    That Nothing is the failure of this whole mess. If Tom Brady succeeds in telling the League Office that they are full of Cow Poo, Then The League Office is nothing other than some overpriced, sloppy, amateur hacks who make stupid money doing a bad job of managing the operations of a multi billion dollar concern.

    Roger Goodell and his tribe of Lilliputians have no soul, no heart, no truth, and no integrity. Their merger of Tom Thumb, Pinocchio, and a Flea Circus are a spectacular demonstration of what happens when the Lunatics are Running The Asylum.

    Long Live Roger Goodell. He thought he was The King of Hearts… But, truly he is not in the deck. Roger is The Ace of Dunces… Deliberate, Certain, Wrong.

    Billionaires have no patience for a lackey who has overstayed his welcome. Soon, they will realize that their little fellow has overstayed his welcome and overstepped his petty place.

    Roger will be gone. And I will smile because I spoke the words: “But The Emperor has No Clothes.”

  66. WARNING WARNING: This post contains logic and may cause Trolls’ heads to explode. DO NOT READ if you wish to stay willfully ignorant. Warning!

    factpurveyor says:
    May 3, 2016 8:32 PM

    Time out – Can we just pause and look at what the “patriots cheated” posters believe to be true.

    Here’s what NFL & ESPN convinced the headline reading/watching masses to believe – On Jan 18, 2015 a Patriots 48 year old overweight ball boy named Jim McNally, displayed superhuman speed and dexterity while accomplishing the following in just 90 seconds:

    Start the clock — Jim McNally was filmed entering a bathroom and was then able to remove 12 footballs from a large bag and gauge them and then remove a precise amount of air from each of the 12 balls. He would have to gauge each ball again to verify that all 12 would all have the same pressure. (If he removed much air from a ball he would have to insert a pump and add air and gauge again). In those same 90 seconds McNally was also able to run across the football field unseen by anyone or the video camera outside the bathroom and locate the unattended Indianapolis Colts football bag. Then using the same psychic powers McNally had already used to predict the NFL sting, he selected the same 4 footballs that would later be checked by the NFL during half time. After gauging them and removing a precise amount from 3 of the 4 balls and gauging the pressure again he glanced at his watch he saw that he only had 10 seconds left so he didn’t have time to do the 4th ball. So he put them all back in the bag. Then with just 9 seconds remaining he sprinted back across the field unseen by anyone or the video camera outside the bathroom so that he could use the remaining time to catch his breath and then exit the bathroom while moving slow enough for the video camera to capture his image at precisely 90 seconds. — Stop the clock.

    Believing that McNally has superhuman & psychic ability is far more believable than accepting that a 48 year old guy might want to take 90 seconds to relieve himself & wash his hands before watching a 2+ hour football game. Or being able to comprehend that leaving a bag of NFL footballs worth over $1200 unattended on the ground outside a bathroom, when they are going to be needed for a nationally televised game in a few minutes, while you take a leak might be a bad idea. (Occam’s razor suggests that he took a leak)

    It must be easier for the uneducated and or biased masses to accept superhuman and psychic powers of McNally while denying a scientifically accepted law that explains that the pressure in footballs or car tires or any sealed container is lowered when the temperature drops. It’s not “deflation” because no air escapes, it’s just a lowering of the pressure of the air still in the container. (PV = nRT)

    The NFL knows that basic science is way too complicated for the low performers on the left side of the bell curve so Goodell will confiscate draft picks while hiding behind the “deflation” farce. The NFL is helped by a small volunteer army of biased low performers that continue to repeat false information in online posts.

  67. After reading this thread, it is obvious that NE fans don’t want to confront the obvious realization that their team is willing to bend the rules to create an advantage, even when it is not necessary. The whole history of this franchise has a great big asterisk next to it. I am sure that the thumbs down for this post will resemble the above post which clearly declares that smart people (NE fans) aren’t cheaters.

  68. Super bowl favorites with or without Brady

    ——————————————————————–

    They won’t be favorites to win their own division yet alone a Superbowl without Brady.

  69. Let’s just call a spade a hammer and get on with it. That’s the logic of Goodell, his minions, some of the owners, sub-contractors, Brady/Patriot haters and all the rest of you who fall into that category (you know who you are). But just saying it doesn’t make it so. Unless you’re the Narcissist Goodell or one of his followers/believers/cronies.
    The NFLPA just hired Ted Olsen. As many of the aforementioned group have pointed out, he charges somewhere in the area of $1,800/hr. Additionally, as has also been pointed out, he has been fairly successful arguing in front of both the Second Circuit and the Supreme Court. Since he was just hired and as of yet may only have been hired to weigh the merits of an appeal for as we all know Goodell and his entourage have repeatedly stated there was less than 1% chance of a successful appeal, is it really unreasonable to expect that an extra two weeks are required for him to be brought up to speed. People who earn that kind of money don’t generally get into the intimate and intricate details of complex cases they are not involved in just for the mental excersize. And since, contrary to an astounding number of people who still think otherwise, the case is not about Brady’s innocence or guilt, but about whether Goodell has unlimited discretion when and how and what type of penalty he can apply, this case is more complex than what any regular PFT reader has ever been involved with and certainly deserves more than the minutes or seconds of contemplation that most of us have invested before cememting our positions in permanently.
    Of course Goodell knows that. And was probably advised by those he pays to advise him, that there was no sense in denying the delay because it would be granted by the Second Circuit anyway and by denying it, it would make the NFL look petty again. But Goodell has earned the description of Narcissist because that is exactly what he is. Not only does he believe that he is every bit a professional football player as Brady is (but was never given the chance to prove that because of an injury suffered in college) but he also believes he has a brilliant legal mind and doesn’t need advice, from anyone. And so we go again.
    And you know, this is not such a big deal to Goodell. He has no skin in the game. Not one cent comes out of his pocket associated with this. And because of his sickness (his form of narcissism is truly a sickness) he feels no emotional pain because he welcomes all attention, good and bad.
    Still waiting for a good investigative journalist to write The book on Goodell. It will be fascinating to read the back stories we are never told about, how he manages to lie and not have it disclosed. It will be an expose like on the televangelist Jim Bakker of the PTL Club. Similar personalities, similarly sick.
    Anyway, on to the Second Circuit appeal we go.

  70. The 4 time World Champion Patriots and their superior fans are just better than you in every way. It’s just the way it is.

    I only preach the truth.

    Cheers!

    🙂

  71. FactPurveyor Damn straight bro.

    Not a single word about Colts being in violation due to 3 out of 4 tested balls being under on one indicatator.

    If Brady likes the ball at the low end then naturally they will be lower than where Luck prefers them. But under is under. Not a peep.

    Disgraceful Sham simply out to get the Patriots. The other owners are just sick and tired of them winning.

    I love The New England Patriots. The best organization in pro football for the last 15 years. DYNASTY.

  72. factpurveyor says:………………………..

    You are Clapton.

    I thank you!

    “The phrase “Clapton is God” was spray painted on a wall in the underground station in Islington in the mid-60s by an admirer of Clapton’s guitar playing. Islington is one of the many boroughs of the greater London Area. The prhase then began to appear in other areas of the city.

    The graffiti was captured in a now-famous photograph. Helped by the photo, the legend grew.”

    …keep up the great work.

    keep up the fight!

  73. factpurveyor says:
    May 3, 2016 7:42 PM

    So if the football stretches slightly when it gets soaked, the pressure inside would drop slightly. Add that drop to the natural drop from the much lower temperature and gives 2 reasons for a natural PSI drop.
    ___________________________________________________

    Reason #3: It was windy at Foxboro on the night of the AFCCG. Wind speeds were in the upper teens, with gusts reaching nearly 30 mph. And the Patriots balls were in play for an extended period at the end of the first half (while the Colts’ footballs were in a ball bag protected from the wind).

    Expose a wet object to wind, and the temperature of that object drops. It’s called evaporative cooling … if it’s exposed skin, we call it wind chill. So the temperature of at least some of the Patriots’ footballs would have been less than the ambient temperature, and a lower temperature results in lower psi.

    So that’s three reasons – the natural drop from the lower ambient temperature, the stretching that occurs when leather gets wet, and evaporative cooling.

  74. Roger should be proud of himself and The SHIELD, what an embarrassing leader. If this was the mob Roger would have disappeared a long time ago.

  75. factpurveyor says:
    May 3, 2016 8:19 PM
    NFL PSI measurements of the Colts footballs after allowing the footballs to warm up indoors while all 12 of the Patriots footballs were measured twice:
    Colts football #1 12.70 12.35
    Colts football #2 12.75 12.30
    Colts football #3 12.50 12.95
    Colts football #4 12.55 12.15
    As you can see there are some measurements that are below the 12.5 PSI that is called for by the NFL rules. Never any talk about punishments for the Colts or Andrew Luck because they don’t win as much.
    You can also see that these footballs continued to warm up so there were differences between the 2 measurements of the same ball.

    ———–
    Actually there were 2 diff gauges used, that’s why there’s 2 different measurements for each ball.

    “coincidentally” the amount of air “missing” almost perfectly matches the difference between the gauges. This is why the Colts skated, they went by the higher reading gauge for their balls and the lower reading for the Pats balls. However since we’re told the Colts balls started at 13.5 their balls clearly “Deflated” too, no matter which gauge you go by.

    so ridic people buy this nonsense.

  76. more appeals til the next season is over? This is a joke- players can do whatever they want with ZERO repercussions. I say, if you lose an appeal the fine or suspension should be doubled- that way they dont have ‘everything to gain and nothing to lose’ and just keep getting free attorneys to fight for them. The person in charge of the NFL who is also BEST friends with the owner of the Patriots found Brady guilty. Now if even I say my friend is guilty………then odds are he is. Roger has zero reason to go after Brady, Kraft is 1 of 3 owners to decide his salary- why on earth would he randomly target Brady? If i was a manager, and 3 of my employee’s decided my salary- i guarantee im giving them every benefit of the doubt until its so blatant that i can’t ignore it.

  77. evilhoodyshoody says:
    May 3, 2016 8:59 PM

    Ignorance is bliss lol. There is no super big secret here, Bill had a LOSING record while head coach of the browns. He goes to an organization who’s owner is besties with Roger, who decides Rogers salary and is allowed to cheat and by some miracle a coach who had a losing record with the browns and is using a 6th round draft pick QB starts dominating. If bill was SO good, he coulda at least got a winning record for the browns. A less than .500 coach and a 6th round QB dont just happen to come together to become the best ever……….there is a WHOLE lot more going on behind the scenes (like 17 teams who have come forward and said flat out patriots steal playbooks and cheat), not to mention spygate and deflategate. Bill or Brady on ANY Other team who isnt allowed to do this are mediocre AT BEST.

  78. To summarize:
    When Brady won in court, the haters’ wanted the NFL to go to the ends of the earth to take down Brady. No expense will be spared. No amount of time is too long, etc.

    When the NFL won in court, the haters’ “just want it to go away”, it is dragging on too long. Its costing too much money. The reality, is that as long as there is still a chance that Brady could win, the haters are all upset.

    It is a little bit disturbing to see the depths that people will go. People will make up facts to sway others. And they will ignore everything just to get it their way. It is the modern day example of the OJ trial. Everyone with a brain knows OJ killed Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. Everyone. But, there is a percentage of people that will swear up and down that OJ didn’t really do it. Of course, they are lying to themselves. They know he did, but because the “People” royally screwed it up, OJ got off, and those people that say he is innocent, act like the trial was run perfectly by the “people”, and the investigation was flawless by the LAPD, and OJ still couldn’t be taken down by a perfect case. We all know that’s garbage, but that is the way it is. Same thing here with Brady. Everyone who has ever tried to play basketball in the cold weather knows that after 5 minutes the ball doesn’t bounce anymore. Is that because the “deflator” came by and deflated it when you weren’t looking? No. Its because cold air decreases the air pressure in the ball. Everyone knows that. EVERYONE. But yet, there are still people that will tell you that there are no circumstances that can explain ball deflation, other than manually deflating the balls. According to them, it simply isn’t possible for the balls to deflate in cold weather.

    Maybe the Patriots were up to something. But whatever they were up to, if anything, wasn’t ball deflation. Everything about deflategate can be explained with science. Doesn’t mean I agree the Pats are completely innocent of stuff, I’m sure they skirt the rules. But as far as deflating balls, the NFL had to prove guilt, and they couldn’t. End of story. The NFL is trying Tom Brady for murder, and finding him guilty, even though the “murder victim” is alive and well and is standing right next to him

  79. sak3845 says:
    May 3, 2016 8:48 PM

    “I’m a pats fan and I don’t think Brady cheated. It didn’t help him. He said he didn’t do it. There is no proof. Refs can’t remember which gauge they used. Refs didn’t record the balls psi before game. Wells didn’t want cell phone. Colts balls were also deflated. Mike Kensil was in charge…”

    Correction: The Ref that checked the balls pregame (Walt Anderson) did remember which gauge he used. He said that he remebered using the (lower reading) logo gauge. It was Wells and Pash that interjected their opinions that he must have remembered that wrong. Why? Because it would not fit with their prejudiced theory that “something happened to those balls.”

    What happened was that all of these people were so ignorant that they did not realize that any ball loses pressure when cooled. But they shouldn’t feel too bad about that. Whoever wrote the NFL rules didn’t know this either, or else the ball pressure would be specified to be at a particular temperature.

    For what it’s worth, the ball pressure rule has not been revised, and is still unenforceable, since it does not say at what temperature the balls need to be between 12.5 and 13.5 psi. Without a temperature, the pressure values are meaningless.

  80. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    May 3, 2016 8:28 PM
    Even if Brady wins, I believe he has done irreparable damage to his image. Put aside whether you believe he is guilty or not, the fact that he is wasting millions fighting a 4 games suspension when he could have put that money into better use is hard to ignore. He is getting some really bad advice.
    ===============
    There might be a solid argument that spending money to prove your innocence (instead of starting at that point) is a worth while cause.

  81. Filming practices surreptitiously, stealing signals – baseball, football, basketball, tennis – it’s been going on since the invention of dirt.

    In Super Bowl 49 The Seattle Seahawks, with the best defense in the NFL, let 24-14 at the beginning of the 4th quarter.

    Somehow the Patriots, led by Tom Brady, managed to score 2 touchdowns and win the game 28-24.

    They MUST have cheated to pull off something like that – I just can’t figure out how.

    But I’m sure there are many of you out there who can enlighten the rest of us as to how they pulled it off.

    Please do.

  82. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    May 3, 2016 8:45 PM
    As I was reading an article this morning about the abject failure of Dimitroff in Atlanta, I was reminded of how miserable failures every single ex-Patriot is outside of Foxboro. Pioli, Dimitroff, Crennell, Weis, McDaniels, the list never ends. One here or there could be explained, but I can’t think of a single player, coach or executive to have had ANY success away from there. It’s mind boggling. Look at the great coaches of the past, they all had at least some branches that bore fruit. Not Belichick. And is it coincidence that all the teams who have hired former Patriots have also been caught cheating? The Chiefs, the Falcons, even my Broncos thanks to Scum McDaniels. Think about it. Weird, huh?
    =================
    So to recap, illegally pumping noise into the stadium, illegally taping a practice and illegally tampering with a free agent is Belichick’s fault. Pretty soon bountygate, bullygate as well as Peterson, Rice and Hardy will fall at his feet as well. Maybe, just maybe, the people who should be bearing fruit should actually be responsible for bearing the fruit.

  83. Favre failure to cooperate by not providing phone = $50, 000 fine.

    Brady failure to cooperate by not providing phone = 4 game suspension, hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines (thanks only to his contract restructure) and enough drama that will reverberate through fans to the point where they won’t follow the NFL anymore.

    Imagine where this would have been if Goodell decided to be consistent (for once) and just levied the $50,000 fine like he did with Favre.

  84. Roger Goodell is the Ben Gazzara mob boss Wesley in Road House, Tom Brady is Patrick Swayze (Dalton). The corrupt and evil Wesley wins a few battles and does some significant damage, but Dalton, his friends, and justice prevail in the end. Too bad about Sam Elliott/Wade… ….Sorry, I need a moment….

  85. Roger Goodell has concluded that the hot air he is full of is not affected by cold weather therefore air in footballs remains constant also.

  86. 1historian says:
    May 4, 2016 9:06 AM
    Filming practices surreptitiously, stealing signals – baseball, football, basketball, tennis – it’s been going on since the invention of dirt.

    In Super Bowl 49 The Seattle Seahawks, with the best defense in the NFL, let 24-14 at the beginning of the 4th quarter.

    Somehow the Patriots, led by Tom Brady, managed to score 2 touchdowns and win the game 28-24.

    They MUST have cheated to pull off something like that – I just can’t figure out how.

    But I’m sure there are many of you out there who can enlighten the rest of us as to how they pulled it off.

    Please do.
    ———–

    The entire Seahawks secondary being injured (the cornerstone of their team) would have nothing to it.

    You’re welcome (since you said please).

  87. Bubbalicious says:
    May 3, 2016 7:15 PM
    The only deflating of footballs went on in Roger Goodell’s head! I wish Brady would sue for defamation. I would love to see what comes out in discovery.
    *************
    We would love that too! Then Brady couldn’t hide behind the NFLPA and we might learn the truth! At the very least, Brady is deceptive, and at the most he is a cheater.

  88. Exponent has created two formative conclusions … (1) Second hand smoke does not cause cancer and (2) Footballs do not deflate naturally in cold weather.

    Seriously people. Wake the bleep up!

  89. Has anyone ever considered that all of the Patri*ts footballs were already under-inflated BEFORE being taken to the restroom and the only thing McNally did in the restroom was to re-calibrate the test gauges back to zero while there?

    Readjusting 2 gauges in 90 seconds would be very easy to do.

    Furthermore, can anyone explain how a veteran equipment manager wouldn’t have had prior knowledge of the Ideal Gas Law and know the balls would lose pressure once exposed to cold weather conditions?

    Seriously… it isn’t as if the NFL is hiring people from the slow learners class now is it?

  90. fjw2 says:
    May 4, 2016 8:46 AM

    For what it’s worth, the ball pressure rule has not been revised, and is still unenforceable, since it does not say at what temperature the balls need to be between 12.5 and 13.5 psi. Without a temperature, the pressure values are meaningless.
    ————————-

    Quite frankly, they should scrap the rule altogether, since it isn’t based upon anything other than the recommended inflation range the manufacturer put on the ball. And since we have all seen that footballs routinely naturally fall outside of that narrow range, it is not really feasible to enforce it.

    Besides, despite the vociferous ranting to the contrary, there is absolutely zero evidence that the inflation level of a football in any way correlates to a competitive advantage.

  91. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    May 3, 2016 8:45 PM
    One here or there could be explained, but I can’t think of a single player, coach or executive to have had ANY success away from there.
    ——————————-

    Either don’t know much about football or couldn’t have been thinking too hard. How about Ozzie Freakin’ Newsome? One of the best GM’s in the game. Plenty of other successes from that tree as well. In Div 1: Nick Saban, Bill O’Brien, Kirk Ferentz, Al Groh and Pat Hill. In the NFL, among others, Joel Collier, Brad Seely, Dean Pees and of course SB winner John Mitchell as well as Newsome.
    As for players, that not many have seen much success elsewhere tells knowledgeable fans Belichick is not just a great coach but a shrewd evaluator when it comes to knowing when to hold ’em and when to fold ’em. Think about that, weird huh? Getting back to the first sentence of this post, going to have to go with both the former and the latter.

  92. Really? wasting the courts time with this B.S., I think maybe they have more important things to do than listen to the Union whine because they signed deal that they now don’t like and the Media’s Golden Boy got caught up in it.

  93. mrmcdougle says:
    May 4, 2016 9:34 AM
    1historian says:
    May 4, 2016 9:06 AM
    Filming practices surreptitiously, stealing signals – baseball, football, basketball, tennis – it’s been going on since the invention of dirt.

    In Super Bowl 49 The Seattle Seahawks, with the best defense in the NFL, let 24-14 at the beginning of the 4th quarter.

    Somehow the Patriots, led by Tom Brady, managed to score 2 touchdowns and win the game 28-24.

    They MUST have cheated to pull off something like that – I just can’t figure out how.

    But I’m sure there are many of you out there who can enlighten the rest of us as to how they pulled it off.

    Please do.
    ———–

    The entire Seahawks secondary being injured (the cornerstone of their team) would have nothing to it.

    You’re welcome (since you said please).
    ———–
    Entire = Jeremy Lane***

    ***Denotes only injured Seahawk players matter when arguing points.

  94. Uh, Al Groh is a Parcells guy (like Belichick) and Pat Hill? Seriously? Nick Saban was a Don James guy, but sure, take credit for that, lol. All of which, by the way, was before the Patriots! That’s right, Kraft gave him something he never had before, FULL CONTROL.

    try again

  95. The NFLPA just brought in Ted Olson to take charge of the legal challenge. Asking for an extra two weeks seems entirely reasonable, given that somebody new is in charge. This isn’t just a delaying tactic – and the NFL knows that.

  96. “Seriously… it isn’t as if the NFL is hiring people from the slow learners class now is it?”

    The NFL has testified that nobody on their side had any knowledge of the Ideal Gas Law before these measurements were taken.

    So yeah, they hire people from the slow learners’ class. Mostly former Jet executives and former players like Troy Vincent.

  97. hawktawker says:
    May 4, 2016 9:54 AM
    We would love that too! Then Brady couldn’t hide behind the NFLPA and we might learn the truth! At the very least, Brady is deceptive, and at the most he is a cheater.
    =============
    At best, Brady is as deceptive as Favre with an exponentially difference in penalty and public disparaging.

  98. Imagine where this would have been if Goodell decided to be consistent (for once) and just levied the $50,000 fine like he did with Favre.

    It’s also worth mentioning that the Favre case was about his phone. In the Brady case, there’s literally no reason to think that there might be probative evidence in the phone. The NFL just wanted to look at it. They had no right to look at it, but they wanted to.

    It’s as if they walked into Brady’s bank and demanded to see the contents of his safe deposit box. Or if they demanded to be allowed to spend a day searching through his attic. The police aren’t allowed to do such a thing without a warrant – why should the NFL? And this isn’t a right granted to them by the CBA.

    Brady was well within his rights to deny access. No, he shouldn’t have destroyed his phone but, legal arguments aside, that doesn’t actually prove anything. Esp. since Ted Wells had said that he didn’t need the phone. The request was for records contained within the phone – but the NFL already had the relevant text messages.

  99. denverdude7 says:
    May 4, 2016 10:14 AM

    Has anyone ever considered that all of the Patri*ts footballs were already under-inflated BEFORE being taken to the restroom and the only thing McNally did in the restroom was to re-calibrate the test gauges back to zero while there?

    Readjusting 2 gauges in 90 seconds would be very easy to do.

    Furthermore, can anyone explain how a veteran equipment manager wouldn’t have had prior knowledge of the Ideal Gas Law and know the balls would lose pressure once exposed to cold weather conditions?

    Seriously… it isn’t as if the NFL is hiring people from the slow learners class now is it?
    —————————–

    I don’t think anyone has considered any of that nonsense.

    Regardless of why you think McNally would have had the gauges in the first place, exactly how do you propose he readjusted 2 gauges, without an air source? And why would he readjust them to read differently?

    I doubt that anyone ever gave the Ideal Gas Law much thought, since the 2015 AFCCG was the first time ever in the history of organized football that the air pressure in footballs had ever been tested during a game.

  100. denverdude7 says:
    May 4, 2016 10:14 AM
    Readjusting 2 gauges in 90 seconds would be very easy to do.
    =================
    So now we’re assuming McNally not only stole the footballs but the gauges as well and brought them into the bathroom?!?!??! Along with a screwdriver. And somehow manage to sneak them back into the hands of the officials.

    He’s the deflator not the recalibrator.

  101. hawktawker says:
    May 4, 2016 9:54 AM
    At the very least, Brady is deceptive, and at the most he is a cheater.
    =============
    At best, Brady is as deceptive as Favre with an exponentially difference in penalty and public disparaging.

  102. This is not about whether brady’s guilty or not. The court didn’t rule on that. They ruled on whether article 46 allows Goodell to do what he wants with discipline. For everyone saying Brady’s a cheater and where’s the phone, remember that the NFL had no right to ask for Brady’s personal phone and told him ahead of time that it wasn’t needed. He then destroyed it. They used the destruction as a reason to uphold the suspension. The NFL also testified they had no direct evidence against Brady and this fiasco. The NFL said that, not patriot fanboys. So why are all the haters shouting so loudly? The texts? They were between 2 employees 10 months prior to the AFC Championship game. I’d like to see the patriots file a complaint against the colts and their 3 of 4 balls that tested below the limit and see how the nfl will explain that vs the pats balls.

  103. As a Jet fan, I hate Tom Brady on principle, but I don’t think he has anything to gain by fighting this any longer. I understand he doesn’t want the stigma of the NFL’s bizarre guilty verdict on his resume, but by now, even Jet fans like me acknowledge what a ridiculous farce of a witch hunt this whole thing has been. Everyone knows Brady is right. He can sit out the four games and the Pats will still run away with the division because the other three teams stink.

    It will cost Brady some money, but I’m sure he and Gisele have more than they could ever count. The only real threat of harm is that maybe the Pats lose a game that ends up costing them home-field advantage in the playoffs. So I suppose that is worth fighting for. And maybe just sticking it to Goodell as long as he possibly can. That’s also worth fighting for.

    I suppose my point is that I don’t think anyone would think less of Brady for just bowing out at this point. Goodell has already embarrassed himself beyond belief, and that Pats are going to win the division anyway.

  104. It is well established that the law permits a trier of fact to infer that a party who deliberately destroys relevant evidence the party had an obligation to produce did so in order to conceal damaging information from the adjudicator.

  105. oiler1980 says:
    May 3, 2016 7:28 PM
    Patriot haters should be careful what they wish for…

    Here’s a scenario…

    Brady loses appeal and serves 4 game suspension…

    Garoppolo goes 3 – 1 in the first 4 games as the starting QB for them. Brady takes over after that and the Pats win the Superbowl.

    Then Belichick flips Garoppolo for a #1 draft pick in 2017..

    And Brady comes back for another one…

    Go Pats!!!!!!
    _____________________

    Let me flip it for you.

    Brady successfully gets his suspension postponed.

    Unfortunately for the Pats, the suspension is now to be served during weeks 14-17.

    Pats start off hot with Brady, going 8-4, but go 1-3 with Garoppolo and miss the playoffs.

    Garoppolo is worth nothing on the open market and walks in free agency.

    Be careful what you wish for.

  106. Q. Why did an air pressure investigation take 4 months?
    A. It wasn’t an investigation, but a search at all costs for wrong doing.

    Q. Why did the League decide to do this to the Patriots?
    A. Goodell had a mandate from some “other” owners to make an example of the Patriots, because of “perceived” favoritism extolled by the League office on spygate.

    Q. Why go after Brady?
    A. They couldn’t get Belichek

    Q. Is this really about integrity of the game.
    A. No… it is about Ego… Goodell has made this fight about him.

    Q. Did the Patriots cheat to beat the Colts in the AFCCG.
    A. No… They would have killed them playing with a nerf ball.

  107. mrmcdougle says:
    May 4, 2016 12:07 PM

    It is well established that the law permits a trier of fact to infer that a party who deliberately destroys relevant evidence the party had an obligation to produce did so in order to conceal damaging information from the adjudicator.
    ———————-

    It is also well established that this wasn’t a court of law, and that Brady was under zero obligation to produce his cell phone. Wells even said that they didn’t want physical possession of his phone.

    Regardless, Brady provided all of the information from his phone that they wanted, and Goodell chose not to utilize it.

  108. mrmcdougle says:
    May 4, 2016 12:07 PM
    It is well established that the law permits a trier of fact to infer that a party who deliberately destroys relevant evidence the party had an obligation to produce did so in order to conceal damaging information from the adjudicator.
    ===============
    And Favre who also deliberately withheld evidence and the same obligation received a $50,000 fine. The NFL wants people to believe the destruction of the phone implies guilt when in fact withholding the phone has the exact same stigmatism. Yet here we all are more than year later blaming guilt on a broken phone even though the logs showed nothing was on it to corroborate the myth the NFL created.

  109. mrmcdougle says:
    May 4, 2016 12:07 PM

    It is well established that the law permits a trier of fact to infer that a party who deliberately destroys relevant evidence the party had an obligation to produce did so in order to conceal damaging information from the adjudicator.
    __________________

    Except that according to the rules outlined under the CBA, NFL players have no obligation to hand over personal phones.

  110. hawkwind8 says:
    May 3, 2016 10:17 PM
    After reading this thread, it is obvious that NE fans don’t want to confront the obvious realization that their team is willing to bend the rules to create an advantage, even when it is not necessary. The whole history of this franchise has a great big asterisk next to it. I am sure that the thumbs down for this post will resemble the above post which clearly declares that smart people (NE fans) aren’t cheaters.

    Where did the notion of “bending” rules come from? What does that mean?

    Rules are broken or not broken, period. Bending rules is what poor sport losers claim when they just can’t measure up.

  111. Y’all keep debating this. I for one still laugh about the beat-down Brady got at the hands of the Broncos in the playoffs and regular season. So much for the revenge tour.

  112. dualprime says:
    May 4, 2016 1:09 PM

    Y’all keep debating this. I for one still laugh about the beat-down Brady got at the hands of the Broncos in the playoffs and regular season. So much for the revenge tour.
    ————————

    Beat down? The Patriots were in both games at the very end. One of them went to overtime.

    They could have won the AFCCG had Belichick kicked a couple of field goals.

  113. I love how even the smallest Brady victory just gets under the skin of the truly clueless trolls whose teams just can’t compete.
    ___________

    Well said. Well said.

  114. Mo Pro Babble says:
    May 4, 2016 1:07 PM

    Where did the notion of “bending” rules come from? What does that mean?

    Rules are broken or not broken, period. Bending rules is what poor sport losers claim when they just can’t measure up.
    ———————-

    Like John Harbaugh.

  115. dualprime says:
    May 4, 2016 1:09 PM
    Y’all keep debating this. I for one still laugh about the beat-down Brady got at the hands of the Broncos in the playoffs and regular season. So much for the revenge tour.
    ================
    Broncos should do great this year with Sanchez and Lynch this year. Maybe Sanchez can head butt his OLineman again. LOL

  116. cardsfann1 says: May 3, 2016 6:32 PM

    This is ridiculous…. Just make him serve his damn suspension and move on with it… It makes me hate the NFLPA more than I do Goodell…

    ……..

    Why? This suspension hurts ALL NFL players. It asserts that the commissioner can do whatever he wants regardless of fairness, truth or science. He had his attorneys lie in open court. Its a farce and it allows for him to do whatever he wants which is terrifying for any player.

  117. mrmcdougle says: May 4, 2016 12:07 PM

    It is well established that the law permits a trier of fact to infer that a party who deliberately destroys relevant evidence the party had an obligation to produce did so in order to conceal damaging information from the adjudicator.

    ………………

    “well established” where? The NFL has no subpoena power and cannot compel someone to turn over personal property (and yet NFL did receive all cell information and even above and beyond, all emails relating to it which they promptly leaked). Nice try though.

  118. cotroutslayer says: May 3, 2016 7:35 PM

    All you people out there that have jobs that fall under a CBA had better be worried. This decision will affect ALL of you. Imagine any side that’s party to your agreement saying “We don’t like this anymore so we’re going to go to court to get it overturned.” and see where that lands you.

    The implications of this case go far beyond whether you’re a Brady fan or not. For that reason alone, everyone in this country should be pulling for the League in this case. Given his background, I’m surprised Florio hasn’t spelled the legal implications out in layman’s terms yet.

    Over to you Florio….
    ……….

    CBA’s are beholden to federal labor law. You cannot have an “appeal” that changes the original decision which is exactly what Goodell did. And you cannot deny fair process by denying witness access and evidence access. For this reason, any reasonable union member should pray Goodell loses. It paves the way for him to be above federal labor law.

  119. superpatriotsfan says:
    May 4, 2016 3:47 PM
    Remember those Pats fans thinking they were going to win the Super Bowl last year? Yeah how did that turn out?
    ======================

    The NFL Refs turned a blind eye to the many illegal holding & PI calls committed by the Broncos that gave them the regular season game and the AFC Champ game.

    The NFL, in no way, were going to let the Patriots get to the SB.

  120. superpatriotsfan says:
    May 4, 2016 3:47 PM

    Remember those Pats fans thinking they were going to win the Super Bowl last year? Yeah how did that turn out?
    ——————————

    They came pretty close to being in it, that’s how it turned out.

    If I were a Patriots fan, I would be thinking they were going to win the Super Bowl every year.

    Of course, to the fans of the losers, the aspirations are a little lower. They might be thinking that this is the year our team finally gets to .500.

  121. dualprime says:
    May 4, 2016 1:09 PM

    Y’all keep debating this. I for one still laugh about the beat-down Brady got at the hands of the Broncos in the playoffs and regular season. So much for the revenge tour.
    ————————–

    A better example of a beat-down would be what the Seattle Seahawks did to the Denver Broncos in Super Bowl XLVIII.

  122. The battle between Goodel & Brady is the MOST serious issue at hand for America and only second to the Prez election = They are interconnected.
    If Goodel wins then ‘We the People’ and our Judicial System based on the US Constitution becomes NULL & VOID.
    Corporations & Businesses can establish UNCONSTITUTIONAL contracts with their employees that removes their US Constitution Rights. Our court system can refuse to hear cases based upon “CBA type agreements” regardless of any Rights violations that will occur.

    YOU are being TESTED to see if you will RISE & RESIST or just be dumb sheeple.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE – WAKE UP

  123. Tom Brady’s reputation is just as destroyed as his cell phone is. It no longer matters if he serves his suspension or not.

  124. limakey says:
    May 4, 2016 6:48 PM

    Tom Brady’s reputation is just as destroyed as his cell phone is. It no longer matters if he serves his suspension or not.
    ————————

    The opinions of a few delusional bozos don’t determine the reputation of Tom Brady, just as those same opinions don’t put asterisks in record books.

    The guy is going to be a first ballot hall of famer whether you like it or not.

  125. veddermn8 says:
    May 4, 2016 1:43 PM
    mrmcdougle says: May 4, 2016 12:07 PM

    It is well established that the law permits a trier of fact to infer that a party who deliberately destroys relevant evidence the party had an obligation to produce did so in order to conceal damaging information from the adjudicator.

    ………………

    “well established” where? The NFL has no subpoena power and cannot compel someone to turn over personal property (and yet NFL did receive all cell information and even above and beyond, all emails relating to it which they promptly leaked). Nice try though.
    **********************
    doesn’t mesh with the facts. The phone was destroyed BEFORE the Wells interview.
    Brady and his counsel then asked if Wells wanted the phone.
    Wells replied no ( what good would a broken phone have done him).
    Brady and Counsel offered a transcript. Problem is a transcript is not best evidence and is legally useless.
    Brady then proceeded with the lie that Wells didn’t want the phone. What Wells did not want was the destroyed phone. Utterly useless.
    Brady managed to subvert the process, which is why he was suspended. He was never suspended because of the PSI of the footballs. His actions led to the belief that he was hiding the truth.
    Rightfully suspended.

  126. limakey says:
    May 4, 2016 6:48 PM
    Tom Brady’s reputation is just as destroyed as his cell phone is. It no longer matters if he serves his suspension or not.
    ==============
    Absolutely. The difference in the end will be Brady doing everything in his power to prove his innocence. If people want to believe Brady is guilty despite fighting so hard that won’t fall on him. The bottom line is a guilty person would have simply taken the punishment by now. The fact he hasn’t only adds to the fraud the NFL has become.

  127. sak3845 says: ” Dumb people usually think smart people are cheating. It’s easier than putting in the work to get smarter “.
    =================================

    ….well said ‘sak3845’; easily the ‘post of the thread’.

    “Democracy is a system where two idiots can outvote a genius”……..

  128. dukeearl says:
    May 5, 2016 8:19 AM

    Brady and Counsel offered a transcript. Problem is a transcript is not best evidence and is legally useless. Brady then proceeded with the lie that Wells didn’t want the phone.
    ___________________________________________________

    This is what Ted Wells said at the appeals hearing regarding text messages from Tom Brady’s phone:

    ” We wanted two buckets of information. We wanted him to take the phone, look at the text messages, e-mails, run the search terms that we set forth and give us any communications with anybody about deflation or inflation. So if Mr. Brady had talked to an assistant coach or talked to the second-team quarterback about these issues, we would get that material.

    We then asked him for all communications regardless of subject matter, I think, between Mr. Jastremski and McNally, regardless of — and Schoenfeld, regardless of the search terms. So we wanted two buckets of information. And I know, I didn’t get — okay, I will stop.”

    Wells’ statement makes it clear that he did not want Tom Brady’s phone. What he wanted was copies of certain communications that may or may not have been on that phone. In other words, Wells was requesting a transcript!

    The suggestion that Brady lied about Wells not wanting the phone is (according to Wells testimony at the appeals hearing) simply not true.

  129. letmefeelyourlove says:
    May 5, 2016 10:13 AM
    This is what Ted Wells said at the appeals hearing regarding text messages from Tom Brady’s phone:
    ==========================
    Honestly, actual possession of the phone is largely immaterial. People can cite obstruction all they want but it won’t change the facts that:
    (1) Brady’s actions are\were 100% consistent with Brett Favre. That obstruction resulted in a $50,000 fine. Not 4 games, millions of dollars in fines and a power play between the NFL and the union.
    (2) The NFL has no right to a personal phone or its contents. Simply, if they wanted that right they could have collectively bargained for it.
    (3) The logs Brady provided was the exact information Wells asked for initially. When it was clear nothing in the logs was going to prove the fabrication, the NFL declared it was too much work to go through the very information Goodell asked for prior to the first “appeal” hearing. Worse, the media and fans let the NFL off the hook for that little nugget of complacency. Goodell asked for new information and dismissed it without so much as looking at it. Yet nobody questions why.

  130. fireroger says:
    May 5, 2016 11:08 AM

    Brady’s actions are\were 100% consistent with Brett Favre.
    ___________________________________________________

    I agree with everything you posted. I also think it is important to point out a very real and significant difference between the Favre and Brady cases.

    Brett Favre was accused of sending lewd photos to a Jets’ female employee using his cell phone. So Favre’s cell phone wasn’t something incidental to his case. It was a material factor that was an essential element of the case.

    Tom Brady’s case was about footballs, not his cell phone. While some no doubt suspected there might be incriminating messages on his phone, there was no evidence that any such messages actually existed. (The messages retrieved from JM’s Patriots-provide phone plus text messages and a call log retrieved from his personal mobile phone phone included nothing from Brady. So, what reason is there to believe Tom Brady’s phone held messages that somehow vanished from JM’s phone? In a word, none.

    So in one case player under investigation refused to turn over a cell phone that was critical to the case and was fined $50,000. In the other case, a player refused to turn over a cell phone whose value was questionable at best, and he was suspended for four games. Justice? I don’t think so!

  131. superpatriotsfan says:
    May 4, 2016 3:47 PM
    “Remember those Pats fans thinking they were going to win the Super Bowl last year? Yeah how did that turn out?”

    They lost in a close playoff game to the eventual SB winners. Seems like a darned good effort to me.

    How did your crummy team do?

  132. mmack66 says:
    May 4, 2016 1:28 PM
    dualprime says:
    May 4, 2016 1:09 PM

    Y’all keep debating this. I for one still laugh about the beat-down Brady got at the hands of the Broncos in the playoffs and regular season. So much for the revenge tour.
    ————————

    Beat down? The Patriots were in both games at the very end. One of them went to overtime.

    They could have won the AFCCG had Belichick kicked a couple of field goals.
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    Could have? Would have? The word you’re searching for is didn’t, as is didn’t win!

  133. It’s amazing how many of you so easily believed Roger’s lies about Tom Brady’s cell phone.

    And even though it has been proven that he lied, you still believe it.

    Tom Brady was suspended for 4 games for it being more probable than not that he was generally aware that two other people released air out of the footballs used in the 2015 AFCCG.

    And even though that also has been proven to be a fabrication, you still believe it too.

    That right there is the definition of sheep.

  134. dualprime says:
    May 5, 2016 4:09 PM

    mmack66 says:
    May 4, 2016 1:28 PM
    dualprime says:
    May 4, 2016 1:09 PM

    Y’all keep debating this. I for one still laugh about the beat-down Brady got at the hands of the Broncos in the playoffs and regular season. So much for the revenge tour.
    ————————

    Beat down? The Patriots were in both games at the very end. One of them went to overtime.

    They could have won the AFCCG had Belichick kicked a couple of field goals.
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    Could have? Would have? The word you’re searching for is didn’t, as is didn’t win!
    ———————–

    Let’s see. They didn’t won the AFCCG had Belichick kicked a couple of field goals.

    No, I think what I wrote makes more sense. To me, at least.

    Regardless, the fact remains that neither Brady nor the Patriots were “beat-down” by the Broncos last season.

  135. Buried in the Wells Report on the 228th page was this nugget:

    (You’d have to have actually read the report to know this.)

    “In sum, the data did not provide a basis for us to determine with absolute certainty whether there was or was not tampering as the analysis of such data ultimately is dependent upon ASSUMPTIONS and information that is not certain.”

    Yes, this is the same document that all the haters are supporting as PROOF….

    Hence, only thing the trolls have is speculation, pipe dreams and fantasy trying to be passed off as fact. NOPE!

  136. I love how much (non Patriots) fans spend so much time bashing them. They will continue to win, and continue to ruin other fans dreams! People can call Brady a cheater all they want. He still has 4 rings and continues to play like the GOAT he is. Patriots fans have heard it all over and over. Most of us just keep laughing. It’s very entertaining people crying over a football team!

  137. cb3313 says:
    May 7, 2016 8:43 AM

    Buried in the Wells Report on the 228th page was this nugget:

    (You’d have to have actually read the report to know this.)

    “In sum, the data did not provide a basis for us to determine with absolute certainty whether there was or was not tampering as the analysis of such data ultimately is dependent upon ASSUMPTIONS and information that is not certain.”

    Yes, this is the same document that all the haters are supporting as PROOF….

    Hence, only thing the trolls have is speculation, pipe dreams and fantasy trying to be passed off as fact. NOPE!
    ———————————————

    You know that a fraud is being perpetrated when they can’t even get an outfit like Exponent to say that the footballs were tampered with, yet Goodell still concluded that they were.

    And the stupid people swallowed it hook, line, and sinker, and continue to swallow it to this day.

  138. calperson says:
    May 6, 2016 1:36 AM

    Its been a tough couple of years for my 2001,2003, 2004, and 2024 Super Bowl Champion New England Patriots
    ————————–

    2024 Super Bowl? Do you mean the 2015 Super Bowl?

  139. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    May 3, 2016 8:45 PM
    As I was reading an article this morning about the abject failure of Dimitroff in Atlanta, I was reminded of how miserable failures every single ex-Patriot is outside of Foxboro. Pioli, Dimitroff, Crennell, Weis, McDaniels, the list never ends. One here or there could be explained, but I can’t think of a single player, coach or executive to have had ANY success away from there. It’s mind boggling. Look at the great coaches of the past, they all had at least some branches that bore fruit. Not Belichick. And is it coincidence that all the teams who have hired former Patriots have also been caught cheating? The Chiefs, the Falcons, even my Broncos thanks to Scum McDaniels. Think about it. Weird, huh?
    ______________________________________
    Nice try…Broncos where/are the biggest cheaters in the NFL, long before/after McDaniel.

    Think about it. Weird, huh?

    20+ Years of NFL Dominance

  140. Still haven’t heard a plausible explanation ( other than ideal gas law) to how the Colts balls were also deflated.
    Probably what happened was Tom and his deflators put on their invisible suits, flew or ran over to the Colts side and deflated them knowing full well that the balls were going to be tested at halftime.

  141. jcozumel says:
    May 9, 2016 12:58 PM

    Still haven’t heard a plausible explanation ( other than ideal gas law) to how the Colts balls were also deflated.
    ————————-

    If you are waiting for a reason other than Mother Nature and/or science, then you will be waiting for a very long time.

  142. limakey says: May 4, 2016 6:48 PM

    Tom Brady’s reputation is just as destroyed as his cell phone is. It no longer matters if he serves his suspension or not.
    ……….

    Why? He provided all cell and email data to the NFL when he had no legal obligation to do so. They paid him back by promptly leaking it to the press which is why he was hestitant in the first place. Meanwhile, the NFL obstructed full discovery of their notes and obstructed witness access and now refuses to release the PSI data they swore they were going to collect this year. It is their reputation to any thinking person, that is destroyed.

  143. dukeearl says: May 5, 2016 8:19 AM

    veddermn8 says:
    May 4, 2016 1:43 PM
    mrmcdougle says: May 4, 2016 12:07 PM

    It is well established that the law permits a trier of fact to infer that a party who deliberately destroys relevant evidence the party had an obligation to produce did so in order to conceal damaging information from the adjudicator.

    ………………

    “well established” where? The NFL has no subpoena power and cannot compel someone to turn over personal property (and yet NFL did receive all cell information and even above and beyond, all emails relating to it which they promptly leaked). Nice try though.
    **********************
    doesn’t mesh with the facts. The phone was destroyed BEFORE the Wells interview.
    Brady and his counsel then asked if Wells wanted the phone.
    Wells replied no ( what good would a broken phone have done him).
    Brady and Counsel offered a transcript. Problem is a transcript is not best evidence and is legally useless.
    Brady then proceeded with the lie that Wells didn’t want the phone. What Wells did not want was the destroyed phone. Utterly useless.
    Brady managed to subvert the process, which is why he was suspended. He was never suspended because of the PSI of the footballs. His actions led to the belief that he was hiding the truth.
    Rightfully suspended.
    ………..

    You are gravely wrong by saying Wells “didn’t want a broken phone”. The “broken phone” fact was not known by anyone on the NFL side until the appeal in June. SO you are completely wrong. Wells did say (its in the Wells report itself, read it, it helps) that he did not need the phone, he just wanted to be able to do a search on it for certain things, claiming he would protect Brady’s privacy. Which, seeing the NFL kept leaking wrong information, was rightfully not trusted. Why did the NFL hide evidence, obstruct witnesses and then conduct a year long PSI study this year and yet not release it? Looks like THEY are the ones hiding stuff. Try again.

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