If Raiders stay in Oakland, Vegas will turn to the Chargers

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Officials in Las Vegas have talked to Raiders owner Mark Davis about attracting his team to the city. But if the Raiders stay in Oakland, Vegas won’t be done trying to get an NFL team.

Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman said on the Dan Patrick Show that she and her husband, former Mayor Oscar Goodman, have a long and close relationship with Chargers owner Alex Spanos and would love to work with Spanos on a move.

“My husband and I have had season tickets at the Chargers for the past 30-plus years and we would love that, and Alex Spanos already has some relationship with us here in the city — he’s been a developer for us in the ’70s and ’80s,” Goodman said. “I know they’re absolutely looking to move and that’s another place to go.”

The Chargers say they’re committed to finding a workable solution in San Diego, but if taxpayers won’t build them a new stadium, eventually they’re going to look elsewhere. That could mean sharing a stadium with the Rams in Los Angeles, but it could also mean moving to Las Vegas.

One way or another, Las Vegas wants an NFL team. And the NFL, despite its reluctance to have any connection to the gambling industry, seems to be warming up to the possibility — especially if the Nevada legislature is willing to put up $750 million of the stadium costs.

“Whether it’s the Chargers or Oakland,” she said, “that would really be exciting.”

88 responses to “If Raiders stay in Oakland, Vegas will turn to the Chargers

  1. “The Chargers say they’re committed to finding a workable solution in San Diego, but if taxpayers won’t build them a new stadium, eventually they’re going to look elsewhere.”

    This should have been the first sentence. The Chargers are refusing to pay their own way and are demanding a taxpayer-funded stadium. They don’t care where … could be Mexico, Canada, London, or Las Vegas. They don’t care.

    Nevada lawmakers claim they can get taxpayers to support a mostly taxpayer-funded NFL stadium. I think it sounds like a lousy bet.

  2. Whatever happened to the second tenant for the Ram’s mega-palace in LA? Right now, it looks like that second tenant – Raiders or Bolts – will be headed to Vegas. Perhaps this is what Goodell and Kroenke intended all along: The Rams will have the 2nd largest media market all to itself.

  3. I wanted the Raiders to go back to LA personally. “LA Raiders” just sounded right, maybe because that’s where they were when I first started following football as a kid.

    Having said that, IF Vegas is going to get a team, the Raiders seem more appropriate than the Chargers.

  4. I get the impression that Mark Davis is seen by the other owners as a nice guy, but someone out of his depth. An heir to a small fortune. That is not what they feel about Dean Spanos.

    NFL wants the money generated from Vegas but they want it in the right hands. Jerry Jones said it himself. They want one of their own in there.

  5. As a life lone San Diego resident I could have told you this same thing a year ago today. The Spanos family has no intentions of spending a dime to build in San Diego and will pick up their team and move to whoever will.

    All of this blew up in their faces with the Rams and their sweetheart deal fell through.

    Hear me clearly on this, the Spanos family not now nor ever has ever had any intentions of staying nor building in San Diego without doing it on the backs of the tax payers.

    No matter how long this show goes on, the Chargers will be somewhere other than San Diego.

  6. I propose we relocate the New England Patriots. The organization and fans don’t deserve a franchise, they have demonstrated zero respect for the game and absolutely no honor or integrity. Their legacy is tarnished forever and history will remember the Patriots for the cheaters they are. They are a disgrace, and perhaps time without an NFL team would teach them some respect. If you don’t respect fair competition then you aren’t a real sports fan.

  7. The NFL is using Las Vegas like the NBA is using Seattle. (Blackmailing cities into paying for new stadiums for billionaire owners)

  8. Just as long as the new stadium is heavily subsidized by the taxpayers, rather than the owners having to pay more, I’m happy.

    In fact, milk the city for the entire cost of the arena. Then sell PSLs to make some more money.

  9. Good lord, please keep the raiders in that sewage infested rat hole known as Oakland. The Davis family has proven ovah and ovah they are incompetent and unknowledged how to run a profitable NFL operation. Getting a new stadium is not the difficult! Nearly every other team has one. The Raiders are homeless street beggers that will nevah, evah stop searching for handouts!!!!

  10. The Raiders have a better chance of ending up in Las Vegas than the Chargers do. Oakland has zero to offer. November 8th, they are having a referendum in S.D. to see if they’ll increase the hotel tax to help fund a new stadium and convention center. Spanos and the league are offering to pay 650 million toward it. If would be very wise for S.D. voters to approve the measure to secure their team’s future and to enhance San Diego’s economy. You can bet your bottom dollar I will be voting YES.

    Oakland won’t offer anything to help the Raiders with stadium. They will be gone.

  11. Once again, the Las Vegas mayors Goodman have NOTHING to do with this. There is no current scenario that puts either the stadium nor the Raiders offices within the City of Las Vegas. All scenarios are in unincorporated Clark County in the metro area and Steve Sisolak , Chris Guinchiliani, Susan Brager, and the other commissioners would have more control over the plans.

    The Chargers may have different plans if it came to that.

  12. Gambling kept the NFL relevant during the 70’s and 80’s.

    AOL took off in the 90’s and put the sports phone out of business. AOL’s first ads were ‘keep up with the scores’.

    Gambling had a huge effect on televised ratings. Everyone preferred to be able to watch what they bet on.

    So now the whole world loves football, it’s time to realize that gambling was ALWAYS there and had no actual effect on a game.

    The only player that really can make a difference is the QB and they get paid too much (except by the Jets) to even consider it.

  13. A move to LV and they’ll continue to fill the stadium with fans for the visiting team

  14. Las Vegas Raiders is going to happen, MD gets both the Vegas market and the L.A. Market without paying the high taxes in California, and enjoying the benefits of Tax free Nevada.

    L.A. and Vegas both are Raider Country. It is a perfect situation, the stadium will be full with a waiting list.

  15. That is the perfect marriage of classic Vegas meeting greedy NFL at what they both do ‘best’.
    Vegas is managing to offer a 2’fer to the league to muscle both SD and Oakland while both doubling down and betting on the come at the same time. All while playing off the greed and insecurity of the ‘players’ involved. Heck of a parlay.
    Well played Ms Goldman, well played.

    And that’s why Vegas is Vegas.

  16. Anyone else find it amusing that the NFL is now using Las Vegas as it’s bargaining chip? The same place that Goodell and the NFL has claimed to despise for so many years?

  17. If you just root for the uniform, while Oakland has the history and the vibe you may want for the Raiders, the revenue stream Vegas would provide should help make the Raiders a top franchise.

  18. People seem to think Las Vegas and Los Angeles are next door neighbors. The two cities are 265 miles apart. Granted, this distance is drivable for weekend trips. Don’t forget the surrounding cites near Las Vegas. Fans there will adopt the Raiders as their home team.

  19. belicheatsbra says:
    May 14, 2016 4:02 PM
    I propose we relocate the New England Patriots. The organization and fans don’t deserve a franchise, they have demonstrated zero respect for the game and absolutely no honor or integrity. Their legacy is tarnished forever and history will remember the Patriots for the cheaters they are. They are a disgrace, and perhaps time without an NFL team would teach them some respect. If you don’t respect fair competition then you aren’t a real sports fan.
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    Proposal Denied. Furthermore, you are ordered to pay costs for this absurd notion and for the brain cells you just cost us all.

  20. The Raiders moving is Los Angeles Rams nightmare.
    Raiders are LA’s favorite team. You will see heavy traffic to Las Vegas when the Raiders play home games.

    Spanos will fight this anyway he can. NFL will also fight this, not because of gambling, but it needs Las Vegas to be the “new LA threat” to exhort money out of other cities taxpayers.

  21. Should have known better than to comment on a Raiders article. Raiders still think the “tuck rule” was fake. Chargers still butthurt over LT crying like a little girl.

    It happened. Live with it. No asterisks, no tainted legacy.

    No one can hear your cries, and nothing will come of it. Enjoy not having an NFL team soon, “deservedly so” SD and OAK.:)

  22. A stadium in Las Vegas the worst idea you could imagine and it has nothing to do with gambling. It will turn into financial ruin.

  23. As usual, nobody really knows what’s really going on when it comes to the Chargers

    Remember when the Chargers were definitely moving to Los Angeles? Then to Carson?

    Remember last year when the Chargers were definitely trading Rivers?

    Remember when the Chargers were definitely drafting Leremy Tunsil?

    Remember when the Chargers were definitely drafting Ronnie Stanley? A veteran sports writer even guaranteed it.

  24. The Raiders are just now starting to see the effect of the 49ers moving to the South Bay. For the first time since returning to Oakland the Raiders have sold out of every season ticket that’s available.. thats in part because they are on the uptick and part because the 49ers are on a down slide but also part the fact the Raiders are the only team within an hour and half drive of S.F .. Why does Mark even need a new stadium? He cant say we cant attract Free Agents.. He cant say we cant sell out.. Maybe he should take some of that 500m and renovate the Coliseum.. then when he dies in about 15-20 years let the next owner worry about getting a new stadium.

  25. Vikings fans are really lucky. They have a very good football team. The biggest thing is the brand new fixed roof stadium that is opening in 2016. What a great time for Vikings fans. Their future is secured in Minnesota.

    BTW, they were smart enough too approve funding without a public vote.

  26. Besides building the coliseum in 1966, remodeling it in 1995 along with paying for the Raiders relocation from Los Angeles, spending time and money the red tape for build a new Raider stadium and trying to bring in developers and investors for the Raiders, yeah Oakland has done nothing.

    My question is, what has Mark Davis, or even his dad, ever done to get a Raider stadium besides issues threats and demands?

  27. Wow, didn’t the Raiders move 35 years ago? How did that work for them? Still looking for public money after all these years. Shocking!

  28. Why can’t Spanos understand that the Chargers best chance for success is to stay in San Diego.

    There are only a handful of franchises that truly have a large fan base across the country the Cowboys, Steelers and Raiders come to mind immediately. Most other teams like the Chargers are big in local markets only. People can down vote all they want but its true.

    Being that football has only 8 home games a year the Raiders will do fantastic in Vegas, keeping 80-20% fan advantage that most home teams enjoy. The Chargers would be lucky to have 50-50

  29. depotnator says:
    May 14, 2016 3:21 PM

    Whatever happened to the second tenant for the Ram’s mega-palace in LA? Right now, it looks like that second tenant – Raiders or Bolts – will be headed to Vegas. Perhaps this is what Goodell and Kroenke intended all along: The Rams will have the 2nd largest media market all to itself.
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    Copy that; would you want to be a bridesmaid for Stan Kroenke?

  30. If Mark Davis moves 1st to commit to help fund a stadium in LV & Jerry Jones lobbies the rest of the owners into denying the Raiders permission to move so they can give LV to the Chargers, I predict a massive, ugly & well-deserved lawsuit that will eventually cost the NFL their anti-trust exemption. I’ve heard enough from Jerrah, Shooting Blanks, Sweet Stan & the rest of those smarmy a$$holes talking about the “right ownership.” The “right” kind of NFL ownership is supposed to include Dan Snyder, Honest Jimmy Haslam, Sweet Stan & Jimmy Irsay???? Those clowns make Saul Goodman look like a reputable alternative.

  31. “People seem to think Las Vegas and Los Angeles are next door neighbors. The two cities are 265 miles apart. Granted, this distance is drivable for weekend trips. Don’t forget the surrounding cites near Las Vegas. Fans there will adopt the Raiders as their home team.”

    Oakland is farther from LA than Las Vegas. A lot of people from LV and Henderson, NV adopted the Raiders YEARS ago. I was one of them, having moved to LV from LA.

    LAS VEGAS RAIDERS! Keep the Chargers in San Diego.

  32. Jones has beeN hounding Marky D to sell the Raiders for years. He may block the sale or try to unless this condition happens. Raiders going to Vegas with Davis at the helm is an unmitigated disaster waiting to happen. The mafia will own this man child in 5 months.

  33. heeeeelzfan says:

    Apparently the NFL needs another revenue stream…the word is “greed.”
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    “Greed captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.”

    -Gordon Gekko

  34. Their is a lot of people that have this hatred about tax payers paying for these stadiums. I studied economics in college, and have a good understanding of how a sports team can bring in revenue. A shared stadium where the owner and city both pay in money is a mutual benefit, and I have no problem with Las Vegas, or San Diego helping find a stadium, which can be used for other things throughout the year. Now being a Reno resident I should not have to pay for Vegas having a stadium, my friends down the road in Carson City shouldn’t either and neither should the folks across the state in Elko. The team would only help the revenue in Vegas and Henderson and that is who should help flip the bill, and they can even do it by having tourists pay the bill with hotel, and gambling taxes.

  35. If there were ever a team that belonged in Vegas, it’s the Raiders. The “Las Vegas Chargers” just doesn’t have the same panache. C’mon, Mark Davis–let’s do this.

  36. Are the Raiders gonna move to Vegas? Are the Chargers gonna move to Vegas? Are the Jaguars gonna move to London? Amazing, all this talk about franchises moving but none of them are interested in that football “hotbed” known as Toronto. Wasn’t that the “sure thing” city to get an NFL team? Perhaps supporting the CFL Argonauts would be a good start.

  37. One thing’s for sure. Oakland will lose a team for sure. Heck why the A’s are still there are beyond me. Teams that have consistently won and produce revenue but can’t get a decent stadium.

  38. When did most of you lose your brain? LV aint happening for the same reason it has never happened. You are being led around by the short hairs and your stupidity by Goodell, Davis (That one should really hurt) and the media who are mostly clueless and just want you to click on their crap and the popups for top 10 bikini bodies that comes next. The media are unknowlingly carrying the water of the leverage play against OAK.

    I am not buying it. I’m just surprised you can all think so far past reality, and can’t see how wildly oblivious to fact you are being.

  39. The league office has conceded that London is not a viable city for an NFL franchise as the league stands today. Rog has his new threat city…Sin City. Local governments have been put on notice, give us our money and you get nothing in return or Vegas baby, Vegas!!!So money!

  40. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    May 14, 2016 6:30 PM
    Jacksonville???????

    …..Yeah, the location with the largest scoreboards in the NFL, swimming pools & cabanas, State of the art locker rooms, coming this season fully renovated club section with glass view during inclement weather.
    On deck we’ve got an amphitheater that’s going to be attached to the south end of the bank along with a “Flex Field” multipurpose practice facility.

    So FYI Jacksonville’s stadium is pretty alright for now.

  41. Vegas is the new NFL carrot. Pony up the corporate welfare, rubes, or lose your NFL franchise.

  42. I’d propose moving the Eagles, but they probably wouldn’t be able to win a super bowl there, either.

  43. seahawkhuskyfan says:
    May 14, 2016 4:28 PM

    I think the 49ers should move to Vegas or any place that will take them.

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    Huh? I get the Seahawks fans dont like the 49ers, but this is just plain bizarre.
    Why would the 49ers leave their (almost) brand new stadium?

  44. This news story is put out by the Chargers. The more money the Raiders waste on stadium deals only makes the Spanos family smile. When Spanos moves the Chargers to Inglewood in January, the Raiders will move to San Diego. Spanos=scumbag.

  45. rlr79 says:
    May 14, 2016 8:01 PM

    Now being a Reno resident I should not have to pay for Vegas having a stadium
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    Just a thought, isn’t the Nevada state government expecting to see an increase in revenue from sales taxes, and doesn’t that benefit (in theory at least) everyone in the state?

  46. The Raiders are just now starting to see the effect of the 49ers moving to the South Bay.
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    Think this has more to do with Raiders tarping off 10,000 seats and and selling season tix for $25 a game – and still not sold out. Levis sold out while it was a pile of dirt. Please stop comparing the franchises. Raiders are Podunk.

  47. Las Vegas has replaced LA as the city that owners threaten to move to when some city’s taxpayer’s to subsidize their wealth. You can be sure of one thing. Mark Davis won’t be paying $500 million to be LA’s second team. Nice box out by Kroenke.

  48. I’m not understanding San Diego fans posting that the proposed stadium in S.D. is on the backs of taxpayers when in fact all the monies will come from Spanos, the NFL, and San Diego HOTEL taxes. Where does it say the taxpayers of San Diego are paying the tab ?? Where ?
    Visitors will pay the tab.

  49. liontuss says:
    May 14, 2016 2:56 PM
    Remember, the Chargers were named after the new “credit card” craze in the sixties. Very appropriate for Vegas.
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    I just want to point out that your wrong, and that is the dumbest sports fact someone can make up. Do you have any citations to back that claim?

    The Chargers were named after a horse that the previous owner had. Do you know who owned the Chargers before the Spanos family? Let me give you a hint, there name is in every major city! And one of them has a sex tape out.

  50. You want Deano & that sleazy Spanos bunch, you can have them!!!

    His shameless backstabbing & “disingenuous remarks” regarding San Diego, at the NFL owners meetings, were “the last straws” for me.

    Had I been San Diego’s mayor, I would have begun courting other teams, the very next day.

    Let’s bring in the Jaguars, and make them our own, by changing the pronunciation to Jagwahs.

  51. You can bet Spanos will follow the money. Don’t pay for a downtown stadium scam Chargers fans!

  52. belicheatsbra – your 4:02 on May 14th.

    You are like all the other haters – Lots of accusations no proof.

    1) For starters – in the 2015 SuperBowl the Seahawks, with the best defense in the NFL, led 24-14 starting the 4th quarter. Somehow the Patriots managed to win. With your vast knowledge of the game could you please enlighten us as to how they did it while cheating?

    2) You hate the (my) Pats but won’t divulge what team, if any, you root for.

    Typical

    OMT – My Pats play in the only privately built stadium in the NFL.

  53. The Pat’s cheat plain and simple. How many draft choices lost, millions fined? Cheating is your legacy. You know it, we know it, the best appelate circuit in the world knows it. My team, does it really matter (Denver baby. We own you!).

  54. time will tell all, be it here, there, or everywhere the thing that will always remain are two words: GO RAIDERS!!!!!!

  55. @liontuss:
    A fan won a contest naming the Chargers. I don’t know where you got the horse story from. And Gene Klein was the owner of the team before Alex Spanos. The Hiltons were the original owners.

  56. xxbarklikeadogxx says:
    May 15, 2016 3:17 PM

    The Pat’s cheat plain and simple. How many draft choices lost, millions fined? Cheating is your legacy. You know it, we know it, the best appelate circuit in the world knows it. My team, does it really matter (Denver baby. We own you!).
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    Denver? As in Broncos, the cheatingest cheaters to ever cheat the rules of football?

    That Denver?

  57. IMHO, there’s no reason that public taxes should be used on ANY nfl team or stadium. the NFL is a private organization.
    How would you feel if the mayor said they’re diverting taxes to build a new walmart?? or another 7-11. You’d be pissed. So why is it OK in public opinion to use our taxes on stadiums, only to be charged an incredible amount of money, to visit one for 4hrs on a sun..

    I say, BS, let them play in the decrepit old stadiums until they save up enough money to build a new one… or stop paying these players money that defies logic.

  58. I live in San Diego and know dozens of Chargers fans.

    If I were to sum up their collective attitude towards Spanos at this point it would be “Don’t let the door hit you on the way out!”

  59. Wow … last year its was 3 teams going to LA for 2 spots and this season has not even started and we already have 2 teams going to Vegas for 1 spot.

  60. @mackcarrington

    Actually we’re both wrong and you forgot Sam schulman. It was the GM who liked it when they said “Charge” at Dodger games. I heard it was the name of his horse but the HOF charger page lists it as that.

  61. Once again, too many folks here are mistaking the legal pursuit of profit for “greed.”

  62. How about the Chargers and Raiders sharing a Venue in Vegas?

    Switch Conferences of course.

    NFC West

    Vegas Chargers
    Arizona
    Los Angeles
    San Francisco

    AFC West

    Seattle
    Vegas Raiders
    Denver
    Kansas City

    Why not?

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