Brady could still delay suspension without Second Circuit rehearing

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By next Monday, Tom Brady and the NFL Players Association almost definitely will file a petition for a rehearing of the federal appeal that resulted in the reinstatement of Brady’s four-game #Deflategate suspension. If the petition for rehearing is granted, Brady likely will be available for most if not all of the 2016 season as the full U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit takes up the issue.

If, on the other hand, the Second Circuit denies the petition, Brady will need to take swift and successful action to further delay the suspension pending an effort to persuade the U.S. Supreme Court to consider the case.

First, Brady would ask the Second Circuit for a stay of the suspension while an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court is prepared and pursued. If that request is denied, Brady would present the question of whether the suspension will be stayed not to the full U.S. Supreme Court but to the lone Supreme Court justice assigned to the Second Circuit.

Currently, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has the Second Circuit assignment. Which on the surface is good news for Brady, given that Justice Ginsburg was appointed to the Supreme Court by a Democratic president and has been part of the liberal/progressive voting block on the Court since joining it in 1993.

The background and overall philosophy, which suggests an inclination to side with labor over management, could make her more apt to allow Brady to keep playing while he throws one last Hail Mary pass aimed at overturning his suspension for good.

Bottom line? Even if the Second Circuit refuses to take any further action and the U.S. Supreme Court later refuses to consider the case at all, Justice Ginsburg becomes the key to keeping Brady on the field through issuance of the Supreme Court’s decision not to take up the case, which if she issues the stay means that Brady likely wouldn’t be suspended until 2017 at the earliest.

303 responses to “Brady could still delay suspension without Second Circuit rehearing

  1. Death Row inmates have fewer appeal options than Brady. Even if none of the courts agree to hear the appeal the NFLPA will claim to be caught unprepared and need extension after extension in preparing their next appeal.

    It’s all about dragging this out until Brady retires at this point and billable hours are not a concern.

  2. I don’t care if Brady ends up losing playing time at any part of any season….he needs to keep fighting the corruption that is the NFL.

    meanwhile…..read the comments below to experience the fear of Patriot Hater

  3. Why would a supreme court justice consider this important enough to act upon?

    Aren’t there much much more important issues that affect many people?

  4. I wouldn’t think Ginsburg would lean toward one side or the other. I think she would pay most attention to the agreement that the two sides made, which seems to give the commissioner complete authority. She might even be put off by the fact that this thing made it all the way to her. But either way, I think it’s good for the league to have Brady on the field. He’s going to retire soon. They can settle this after he retires.

  5. Take your punishment like a man.
    It’s the first step in re-establishing your reputation. Putting this off until retirement will seal your fate forever Tom. America is a forgiving place (or rather used to be, but progressivism is another topic.) and you can still be looked upon favorably in the future.

  6. Is this accurate? Wouldn’t the Supreme Court decide early in the fall whether to hear the case during the coming term? If it said no, then the suspension would be on again this year.

  7. These legal strategies give me a head ache, why do you do us all a public service by updating us on the efficiencies of the Deflator’s diet plan? I hope I am not the only one in America that truly believes he really got his nickname from his attempts to lose weight.

  8. I actually wouldn’t mind seeing how Garrapolo does the first four games. He has been looking like a very good QB but some game time is needed. I don’t think it hurts their playoff chances for this year, in fact Brady starting fresh four months in is a great thing. And for the longer haul it’s better for the team to get that clearer picture of what they have in Garrapolo so they can figure out what to do with him.

  9. This has really been needling me…so again, why is Tom Brady being suspended? There just doesn’t seem to be enough air in the NFL’s argument to make this case float and I think it will be a cold day in hell before we get any substantive data that confirms any intention to gain a competitive advantage. Until then, this decision to suspend, is an overreach, and should be flushed like a turd from our collective memories.

  10. You know, honestly, was the investigation a complete sham? Yup. Is there a 99.9% chance that cold air resulted in the balls deflating some? Yup. Did the Ted Wells investigation not even use basic science? Yup. Does any of this matter? Nope. Because the NFLPA gave Goodell the power to do what he wants as far as discipline. It doesn’t matter if he wants to suspend Brady for belching out of turn. The NFLPA gave the guy the power to do what he wants, and he did.

  11. Brady is still looking at his innocence as his big card to play and he is mistaken. Of course any judge that looks at the evidence (not the sports writer spins, nor NFL lies, nor NFL red herrings many commenters live by) will find Brady an innocent victim of a frame job. And I do get the outrage he feels at this. But the judges in this last finding added wording as to what the ruling is based on and if look at what they are saying they got it right. Any appeal based on the grounds of this ruling is likely to favor the NFL.

    Excerpt from the ruling I base this comment on……

    Our role is not to determine for ourselves whether Brady participated in a scheme to deflate footballs or whether the suspension imposed by the Commissioner should have been for three games or five games or none at all. Nor is it our role to second‐guess the arbitrator’s procedural rulings. Our obligation is limited to determining whether the arbitration proceedings and award met the minimum legal standards established by the Labor Management Relations Act, 29 U.S.C. § 141 et seq. (the “LMRA”). We must simply ensure that the arbitrator was “even arguably construing or applying the contract and acting within the scope of his authority” and did not “ignore the plain language of the contract.” United Paperworks Int’l Union v. Misco, Inc., 484 U.S. 29, 38 (1987). These standards do not require perfection in arbitration awards. Rather, they dictate that even if an arbitrator makes mistakes of fact or law, we may not disturb an award so long as he acted within the bounds of his bargained‐for authority.

  12. It’s not about political ideologies. It’s about the law and the law is on the NFL’s side. Just because a judge may take more of a liberal stance doesn’t mean they can ignore what is explicitly written in a labor contract. Unfortunately for Brady, the NFLPA, and most liberals there is a written agreement that grants Goodell the authority to suspend Brady. I’m sorry but it’s over and it’s time for everyone to move on.

  13. We just needs to distill this to the simple facts:

    1. Yes, Brady is guilty of participating in a scheme to deflate game balls. Every non-NE fan knows this. Even some NE fans know it.

    2. No, the NFL didn’t conduct a thorough or fair investigation, resulting in the farce that was the Wells report.

    3. Regardless of #2, the a corporation can suspend its employees as it sees fit.

    The third statement is all this case should be about. It’s all it *is* about. Brady still seems to think this is about whether or not the NFL proved, beyond a reasonable doubt (or even by preponderance of the evidence) that he “cheated.” It’s not. To the NFL, it’s about much more–their rights to discipline their employees. They are going to put their full resources into that matter, making this a no-win situation for Brady. He’d be far better off trying to negotiate a settlement with the NFL directly. Serve two games and don’t admit guilt, and drop the litigation. Then, our long national nightmare can finally be over.

  14. There are 2 issues with this. 1st is Brady maybe innocent. Nothing was really proven or it is easier poking holes in the NFL’s case than in swiss cheese. 2nd the NFL until Brady only fined those that either caused equipment infractions or had knowledge of. So in either case there is vast potential if not a certainty that the NFL is wrong in the way this was handled.

  15. What difference, at this point, does it make? It’s time to move on. Serve the suspension, and get it over with. Everyone else has moved on. Take your punishment like a man, and get it behind you.

    Everyone else has moved on; it’s time for Brady to do the same.

  16. Good! No doubt a lot of ignorant haters & trolls will spew the same old fact-free nonsense, but here is my summary of the FACTS (since plagiarized by others):

    Goodell lied about the data, lied about Brady’s testimony, lied about who suspended the ball guys, falsely accused the Pats of switching k-balls (until it emerged an NFL official was stealing them). And Goodell used a fraudulent Wells Report which furthermore dismissed the ref’s testimony about which needle was used (and manipulated images to minimize the differences between the needles). Goodell then lied about the independence of the Wells report and it’s unannounced NFL co-author, lied about the Pats denying Wells access to the ball guys (Pats merely said the 5th interrogation would need to be by phone because the guy had a full-time job elsewhere). Goodell broke CBA rules to deny Brady a fair appeal, made much of Brady “destroying” his phone but then refused to accept Brady’s phone logs offered up at the appeal, oh and he’d already leaked Brady’s generously-given private emails (which is why Brady was slow on the phone issue). Then he further exaggerated Wells’ finding into “a scheme” despite no additional evidence. Then he ran to a court of his choice before his victim could even respond.

    And “the deflator”? Wells falsely claimed “the deflator” was a nickname (based on one random off-season text not about footballs) whilst ignoring others in which Brady’s preference for 12.5psi is spelt out! And in any case – deflating a ball is ok (just down to 12.5) – especially when the refs put them at 16psi, as they did in a Jets game, and there’s no evidence “the deflator” ever went below that – why would he, when Brady’s clearly stated preference in the texts was 12.5!!

    Every step and every breath by Goodell has reeked of lies and destroyed integrity on this case.

  17. Many would dub me as a Brady “hater”, but this thing just needs to go away. Can’t the two sides just call a truce? I hate that the last two offseasons have been filled with this nonsense.

  18. Free Brady! If he was guilty he would not be going to these lengths to clear his name. Keep on fighting! The NFL are the corrupt cheaters. Not the Patriots.

  19. oh for god sake enough of this. Just sit out the four games and get it over with! What is the point of having a case tried in court if you can just appeal appeal appeal over and over again? This is getting insane.

  20. This drama has gone on too long. Roger has made this whole soddy thing personal and unprofessional.

    But it’s time Brady accepts his punishment for violating the rules and stop evading what we all know deep down…he hid his cheating and then lied about it. Suck it up like a man, know your legacy is tarnished and take the suspension.

    Let’s get back to football.

    *

  21. Jeez can this just be over? I HATE the Pats & I DO think Brady did this. But it’s clear he was WAY overpunished. I felt like 1 game would be about right. But I don’t even care if he ever serves a game. Just tired of hearing about this & hearing mouth breathing Pats fans cry about it.

  22. All this is a benefit to the NFL. It gives them more than reasonable opportunities to overturn their ridiculous decision to pursue this action. They are wrong to have done it and need to correct it. Preferably it will be of their own volition. But probably not. Goodell is too much of a narcissist to acknowledge his error.

  23. Oh, please!! I will be shocked if this goes any further than it has in court. I would think Ginsburg has much more important items on her agenda….smh….It has already been ruled that Goodell had the power for disciplinary action, that was assessed. The world does not revolve around Brady, even though he would like to think it does. At this point, just sit 4 games, then get on with your life. Jimmy will hold down the fort just fine!…..just imho……One would think that this was a triple murder case! Geez……

  24. Who cares when there are many felons and women beaters in the league. You NFL people are only worried about your money. And if you make a stink out of Tom Brady, it brings in more revenue than if this episode never happened. No money is made if Greg Hardy is booted out of the league. Not a penny. But stretch out this Tom Brady drama, LOLOLOLOLOL Payday over and over

  25. 4 games for equipment issue.

    Told by wells Brady does not have to give his phone over. But Goodell then wants it.

    Walt Anderson was forced to say he miss remembered which gauge he used.

    No one even knew of ideal gas law when this started.

    3 of 4 colts balls measured were below spec even after the got a chance to warm up.

    Even the shady engineering firm exponent could not prove anything with the data presented.

    But Brady is guilty

  26. Judge Chin and Parker ruled that the arbitrator has the right to break the law in the process that leads to their decisions.

    Unacceptable. That cannot be allowed to stand in this country.

    Thankfully Brady is not backing down nor should be. There is no other reason why Ted Olson was brought in.

    And Brady will prevail, as the side of good usually does in the end.

  27. Judge Chin and Parker ruled that the arbitrator has the right to break the law in the process that leads to their decisions. Yup. Read it… It is right there in black and white.

    Unacceptable. That cannot be allowed to stand in this country.

    Thankfully Brady is not backing down nor should be. There is no other reason why Ted Olson was brought in.

    And Brady will prevail, as the side of good usually does in the end.

  28. Brady is innocent. Goodell railroaded him and Patriots in perhaps the greatest scam in pro sports history.

    Keep fighting* … Keep the pressure on until justice prevails.

    FREE TOM BRADY!!!

    *disclaimer: Since the schedule came out , it wasn’t lost on this season ticket holder that 3 out of the first 4 games are at home.

  29. Bye Bye Goodell.

    The precedent Goodell is attempting to set, to frame employees of a company, to help the competition keep up and try to make more money in the process is a disgrace.

  30. Brady’s legal team has expanded again and now includes the ghost of Justice Antonin Scalia and Consiglieri Tom Hagen from The Godfather.

    P.S. Although this entire situation is ludicrous, every individual in the US should support the right of Tom Brady to defend himself against charges thst are questionable at best, given that 50% of the federal judges ruling on the case have sided with him to this point. If anyone should withdraw and give up, it’s the NFL which has stonewalled and ignored the wall of criticism of the scientific evidence of its case from every corner. It is the NFL who escalated this case from a $25,000 fine for equipment tampering into a multimillion dollar circus sideshow in a twisted attempt to wring more power away from the players and execute an inter-owner vendetta against the Patriots worthy of the fictional Corleone vs Tattaglia/Barzini inter-family war.

  31. Goodell needs to resign now for what a mockery he has made of the game and trying to ruin the reputation of one of the greatest ambassadors the game has ever seen. All over something the NFL has yet to prove and something the NFL never seemed to care about until the Colts and Ravens started whining. And something the NFL still doesn’t care about. The NFL still doesn’t test balls for PSI during games and still could care less what the PSI of footballs is. It was always clear to me that this was a personal agenda by Goodell and others in the NFL front office to get back in the good graces of the other owners after botching Ray Rice by going after the Patriots for ALLEGEDLY doing something every QB does, as Aaron Rodgers admitted when he said he always over-inflated his footballs to see if the refs would catch it.

  32. I actually wouldn’t mind seeing how Garrapolo does the first four games. He has been looking like a very good QB but some game time is needed. I don’t think it hurts their playoff chances for this year, in fact Brady starting fresh four months in is a great thing. And for the longer haul it’s better for the team to get that clearer picture of what they have in Garrapolo so they can figure out what to do with him.
    ———–
    You’re right that it won’t hurt but they will have plenty of time to showcase Garoppolo when the Patriots are up big in games. 🙂

    And I think that is their plan. I know their philosophy has been to stick with Brady late in such games but don’t be surprised if this year that will change.

  33. Here is a quote above I find very telling:

    “Brady made his bed, now sleep in it.”

    That is EXACTLY what corrupt Goodell wanted you to believe, knowing you’d never read the Wells Report. Any snippet he wanted to frame, was cutely wrapped up in an ESPN report with buzz words and whatever else, completely out of context to fool morons like you.

    Hmm…So, because someone is very successful, gets the model wife, has the money, has the sustained success, isn’t going away, etc, it allows losers like you and others who are jealous in our Schaudenfreude society to allow him to be framed and punished just because it makes you feel better about yourself?

    This not only goes deeper than that from a legal perspective, you and every other Pats hater, are creepy people right alongside the owners/GMs/coaches involved in this. Coercing Sheriff Goebbels (successfully) in going forward with yet ANOTHER lie and misrepresentation to punish NE to keep parity in play, just to get Jax in London easier, amongst appeasing other jealous sentiments towards the Pats, is all over.

    It’s all over. And, so is Goodell. The reason why some owners wanted Goodell to settle last month was because they fear the worst, which is admitting defeat and now the country seeing Spygate and Deflategate were lise and complete misrepresentations.

    Ever wonder how the Jets never get punished for doing things or being involved in something like SPygate?

    The Jets suck, so Goodell doesn’t want to make them worse. It would hurt parity, and thus hurt, the overall ROI of the NFL.

    That’s why, you flippin morons.

    Strong Likelihood: NE goes to its 6 straight conf title game in January, a modern day record, not ever seen before in the cap era or the post merger NFL since 1970.

    Wake up, you idiots.

    Brady will NEVER be suspended, not only because nothing happened, but because on principle alone, the American worker cannot have this happen to them.

  34. Why do people just say that this needs to go away and Brady should just take his four games and get on with it. I’m still waiting for the NFL to show any proof whatsoever. It’s a good thing that shady Goodell is not a judge or the prisons would be filled with jaywalkers and speeders for 5-10 year sentences. The fact of the matter is that if it was any other team, they would have gotten a call from the league office the day after the game and would have been told to knock it off, and pay a $25,000 fine, JUST WHAT THE NFL rules say for equipment tampering and what other teams HAD GOTTEN BEFORE! People that say this should go away are right, but the only things that should go away are the suspensions and Roger Goodell!

  35. The league trying to get rid of the best player with trumped up charges. Just as much circumstantial evidence proving he’s innocent .
    So why do it? Kraft is the guy who negotiates the Tv deals with cbs abd streaming online deals.
    He was getting to powerful for the likes of owners like Jerry jones… It’s a dog eat dog world especially in the NFL.
    Using Brady as a pawn in a lot of respects including CBA negotiations.

  36. truthprofessor says:
    May 17, 2016 8:49 AM
    This is how an innocent man fights. Determined to the last to expose the NFL for its lies and corruption
    ——————–
    Nothing says innocent like smashing your phone the day you are to turn it in.

  37. The NFLPA gave the guy the power to do what he wants, and he did.

    —-
    EXCEPT… as noted by SCOTUS in Garvey vs MLBPA when the arbitrator dishes out his own brand of “industrial justice”.

    Just like Judge Berman said. Hmmmm…..

    🙂

  38. Spoiler Alert!
    If you haven’t read them yet you can expect the following headline reading jealous hater statements & factual responses that will be ignored:
    1) The Deflator texts to Brady
    1a) There aren’t any.
    2) But Deflator!
    2a) One text sent from McNally to Jastremski in the offseason that Wells repeated 17 times
    3) The Bathroom
    3a) One fat guy in a sloped floor bathroom with no bench got 12 balls out of a bag, measured them and released .02 PSI then got them back in the bag in a minute and a half but half a dozen league officials couldn’t measure and adjust more than 15 in an entire halftime.
    4) Only the Pats balls lost pressure
    4a) The Colts balls not only lost pressure but in spite of starting at a higher PSI and warming they were below the acceptable level
    5) Brady didn’t cooperate
    5a) Wells “Mr Brady was totally cooperative”
    6) The Phone! Brady destroyed evidence!
    6a) No player, not even Favre, has ever surrendered his phone. The league had no right to it and couldn’t even keep his emails about a pool cover private. The phone didn’t matter until Brady told them it was destroyed.
    7) Kraft accepted punishment.
    7a) Yes and it was very politic of him, he is an owner after all.
    8) The league wouldn’t punish it’s star player
    8a) It’s star player was exactly who they needed to make their case and recover the power multiple failures had diluted.
    9) Kraft and Goodell are in cahoots.
    9a) Kraft willfully participated in his own screwing??
    10) Kraft determines Goodell’s pay so he wouldn’t do anything Kraft didn’t agree to.
    10a) Jerry Richardson (a hardcore Pats hater), Ross (a division rival), Blank (noise pumper) are also on the Compensation Committee they present comp packages that all 32 vote on.

    The goodellbots however have no factual responses not only to the above but to: physics, Walt Coleman’s best recollection, Goodell lying about Brady’s testimony, the league’s own admission of no direct evidence, Brady providing text and call logs, Roger moving the goalposts, Brady testifying under oath, not providing the NFLPA with discovery, 11 of 12, making up the punishment, lack of notice, the league ‘misplaced’ the Patriots and Colts gauges that could have ended this charade before it really got started.

    Face it people this was never about deflated balls, guilt or innocence. It is purely about the league making sure the commissioner’s office is the biggest dog in the yard and maintaining the whip hand

  39. newmancave2016 says:
    May 17, 2016 8:34 AM
    We just needs to distill this to the simple facts:

    1. Yes, Brady is guilty of participating in a scheme to deflate game balls. Every non-NE fan knows this. Even some NE fans know it.

    2. No, the NFL didn’t conduct a thorough or fair investigation, resulting in the farce that was the Wells report.
    ____________________________________

    So Brady is guilty, and we know this based on an investigation that was neither fair nor thorough? News flash … if an investigation is a farce, and neither fair nor thorough, then guilt has not been established!

    Sounds to me like the “Proof? We don’t need no stinkin’ proof!” crowd is at it again.

  40. All the science deniers are out in force today! As MIT professor John Leonard said he is convinced the patriots are innocent and that there was no tampering. He also stated Exponent’s work was so shoddy if an MIT undergrad turned in that as an assignment , he would hand it back as a redo , it was so flawed.
    There was no tampering, therefore no crime.

  41. Destroying evidence didn’t work last time for a Pats player, it won’t work again.

  42. Most people forgot that Tom didn’t cooperate with the NFL (Employer) & the mutually agreed upon CBA allows the commissioner the power to suspend, therefore it’s Roger’s decision.

  43. Tammy, you can run but you can’t hide. The long arm of the law will always find you. Look in the mirror and admit to yourself “I’m a cheater. I am sorry for all the pain I have caused.” Do it Tammy, right now honey. You will be saved!

  44. flash1287 says:
    May 17, 2016 8:46 AM

    He will play all 16 regular season games and playoffs.

    Suck it, CRYBABYNATION
    ———————————————-
    Aren’t you the same person who said that they would get their First round draft pick back too?
    HAHAHAHA!!!!!!

    YOUR tears are not just sweet but funny too.

  45. tylereifertisunstoppable says:
    May 17, 2016 8:26 AM
    Or, he could be a man and serve his punishment for having been caught cheating.

    ========================
    If you knew anything, you would know that he wasn’t caught cheating.

  46. What these Pats crybabies forget is that the new CBA approved by the owners (one was Kraft) gives Goodell to power to suspend. So maybe, Tammy should blame someone else.

  47. Tee hee 🙂 Look at desperate Patriot Hater begging the courts to save their limp wristed wussy team from that meanie Tom Brady who beats them all the time.

    So funny!

    🙂

  48. You know, there’s always the possibility that Tom Brady will just come to his senses, man up, and just accept this…

    BHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    ..OK, sorry.

  49. Wells NEVER asked for Tom’s phone. “Keep the phone” wells told Brady & his agent. He insisted the investigation was thorough without it. “I don’t think it undermines in anyway the conclusions of the report”.
    As far as cooperation Wells had this to say after 5 hours of interrogating : “totally cooperative”.

  50. Patriots must think Carapolo really sucks if their trying this hard to keep him off the field.

  51. May 17, 2016 8:02 AM

    “Why would a supreme court justice consider this important enough to act upon?
    Aren’t there much much more important issues that affect many people?”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    This is the most important question that everyone is missing – WHY THIS ???

    THIS is not about Integrity of the Game (Goodel has none & Brady has more in his toe then the NFL has in its NYC Office).

    This court battle will affect EVERYONE – WHY?

    Because it is about POWER & LEGALIZING the CORRUPTION of Big Business & Owners over Laborers.

    If Goodel wins then EVERYONE LOSES their US Constitution Rights in the workplace.
    THIS is the ISSUE at hand – YOUR US Constitutinal Rights !!!

    According to a corrupt and perverted interpretation of the CBA, Goodel & the Owners want to control the INTERPRETATION of the contractual agreement so as to make themselves INFALLABLE & ABOVE CORRECTION, thus throwing out trampling on EVERYONE’s US Constitutional Rights to FAIRNESS, TRUTH, FACTS & DUE PROCESS.

  52. To all of the people saying that, “It is time to move on. Just serve the suspension and get it over with”.
    Is that what you would do?
    Really?
    Even if you knew that you were innocent, you would just, “Get it over with”?
    I know a lot of words.
    “Pity”, is the perfect word for what I feel for you weak people, who would be unwilling to show the spine to stand up for yourselves.
    Enjoy your season… pulling for the soft Colts.

  53. crush22 says:
    May 17, 2016 9:40 AM
    truthprofessor says:
    May 17, 2016 8:49 AM
    This is how an innocent man fights. Determined to the last to expose the NFL for its lies and corruption
    ——————–
    Nothing says innocent like smashing your phone the day you are to turn it in.

    ————–
    Once again, for those in the cheap seats. He was *never* asked to turn in his phone. His Lawyer told Wells they would not hand it over and Wells said he didn’t need it. Wells even stated that Brady “fully cooperated”.

    His mistake was telling Goodell that he didn’t have the phone anymore. He should have just said, no you can’t have it. End of story. And that would be the end of it.

  54. I love it how Fan Boy Army, non of who is licensed to practise law, none of who has run a Fortune 100 business (or any business for that manner), non of who has any understanding of the politics of business relationships, none of who understands the bylaws of the NFL and the limited discretionary powers of the Commissioner, can sit here every day and chirp their words of wisdom. Wow!! Freaking hilarious!! Please don’t stop. You are amusing!

  55. For those of you asking him to give up and get it over with, hasn’t it dawned on you that he indeed would give up and get it over with, not go through all of this hassle, distraction, and expense, if he had actually done anything wrong?

    But what would you do if you were framed?

    You would fight as long and hard as you can.

    The truth seems very inconvenient to you Patriots haters.

  56. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    May 17, 2016 9:55 AM
    No court on this earth can protect Brady from Von Miller, that’s a fact!
    ———————————————————–
    Perhaps you are right. PEDs are a powerful force!
    We are not looking for a court’s help, however.
    We’ve got Scar back this year!

  57. I won’t requote you jag but… well done. Great post.

    Actually it was Walt Anderson not Coleman. We Patriot fans love Walt Coleman. 🙂

  58. superpatriotsfan says:
    May 17, 2016 9:59 AM

    Brady is such a little girl.


    That’s 4 time Super Bowl Champion, 3 time Super Bowl MVP, 2 time League MVP, winningest playoff QB in history, holder of multiple passing records and greatest QB of all time little girl to you.

    Address him properly boy!

    🙂

  59. You know you did it, your coach knows you did it, your team owner knows you did it, Goodell knows, the patriots fans know as well, so just be a man and take your punishment! All fingers point to you Tom Brady… text messages that 100% stand by the fact that you gave the ok to deflate those footballs… to give your team a competitive advantage over the unsuspecting Indianapolis Colts. Face it, you were caught red handed!

  60. Bills fans were looking forward to a POSSIBLE win over the Pats, they can forget about it now. 🙂

  61. savethebs says:
    May 17, 2016 9:03 AM
    Jeez can this just be over? I HATE the Pats & I DO think Brady did this. But it’s clear he was WAY overpunished. I felt like 1 game would be about right. But I don’t even care if he ever serves a game. Just tired of hearing about this & hearing mouth breathing Pats fans cry about it.

    —————
    So since the Colts balls were also under inflated you must also believe that Andrew Luck is guilty too right? Or did weather only deflate the Colts footballs….. And given that the Colts balls were also deflated, why was Luck not also suspended and why did the Colts not also lose draft picks?

  62. “Kraft accepted the punishment, that proves his team is guilty!”

    “Brady is still fighting this? Who cares he is guilty!”

    — Patriot Hater Logic

    🙂

    #PatriotHaterIsComedyGold
    #ILoveLaughingAtThem
    #ICantHelpIt

  63. Hahahaha! Yes! Just do it Brady! Make all the haters hate you even more! I mean who cares about them anyway, they are just going to hate you no matter what you do! Do it just to piss them off!!!

  64. Oh dear god, Tom Brady was framed. That is why their were over a thousand communications on his cell to his BFF Deflator that he destroyed violating a legal order. That is why the NFL came down on him despite the fact he WAS the face of the NFL ($) and hugely popular with all fan bases and sexes.

    Face it. The Pats have been caught too many times in the past and this was the straw that broke the camels back with the other 31 owners. Commit the crime, do the time. Man up my little honies!

  65. Nothing says innocent like smashing your phone the day you are to turn it in.
    ____

    Except, gasp, he was never asked to turn it in! OMG!!! Just get your facts right for once. Just once, thats all I ask.

  66. I never thought I would be excited to have Justice Ginsberg hear a case. Personally, I can’t stand the fact the Court has become so political. The liberal wing of the Court is unapologetically biases. However, if she sides with Brady on this one, I would say, “Even a broken clock is right twice a day.”

    Free Brady!

  67. Tom Brady… Fighting the good fight!!!
    You go Tom!!!
    Everyone knows your being framed!!!
    Deflategate is now known as Framegate!!!

  68. Brady isn’t doing what all the people who hate him say he should do. I guess that means he’s doing the right thing. keep fighting and fighting and fighting, as long as the haters keep getting conniptions, I’m good.

    I love the part about haters claiming Judge Berman and Judge Katzmann don’t know the law, but Judge Chin and Judge Parker do.

  69. intrafinesse says:
    May 17, 2016 8:02 AM

    Why would a supreme court justice consider this important enough to act upon?

    Aren’t there much much more important issues that affect many people?

    —–
    Well, that depends on your perspective.

    If this is about deflated footballs (which it is not, by Goodell’s own admission) then you would be correct.

    If you look at it from the proper perspective about a workplace arbitrator having unlimited power – even breaking the law – to administer his own brand of quote “industrial justice” then it is very much worthy of SCOTUS’s attention. As we will all see soon.

    🙂

  70. Dear God, tom Brady was framed. That is why he destroyed his cell phone with over 1,000 communications to his BFF the Deflator. That is why the NFL came down on the face of their franchise ($$) who WAS highly popular with all fan bases and sexes ($$). Admit it, Deflategate was the straw that broke the camel’s back with 31 owners that were tired of being cheated by their business partners. Commit the crime, do the time. Time for Pats to do some serious manning up!

  71. teegee50 says:
    May 17, 2016 10:07 AM

    Fair labor laws were violated. Does that trump the commissioners power. I doubt it.
    ++++++++++++++++++

    Does anyone fully realize how dangerous that statement is and the path of destruction that it leads to?

    So, you are willing to accept a corrupt, narcistic ruler over FAIRNESS, TRUTH & DUE PROCESS.

    Since when do WE the PEOPLE submit to infallible rulers that lie and steal from the People to further their own agenda?

  72. Brady’s legacy has been cemented – it doesn’t matter if he plays 12 or 16 regular season games. The boos he got as past Super Bowl MVPs were celebrated in Santa Clara is the pulse of NFL fans , less Pats Nation.

    Roger must get canned sooner or later- he is a complete knucklehead and has totally Keystone Copped this whole thing.
    The biggest farce of Rogers tenure was when he had “4 or 5 ” (come on Roger wasn’t it more like 40!) tapes destroyed in Foxboro that were found in Ernie Adams batcave at Gillette Stadium four days after ruling on Spygate – without ever looking at any tape. SMH.
    Senator Specter and many others would like to have seen millions and 20 months of investigation of that scandal rather than the hasty decision he made in two weeks.But know Roger flips it spends all the time and money on Deflategate and swept that one under the rug for his buddy Jraft. Spygate was not about standing in the wrong spot of the end zone with a camera. ” Zimmerman Flew,Tyler Knew!”

  73. Wow, how pathetic are you when you want Brady to serve a suspension so that it will give their team a better chance of winning.. Come on, this whole thing is ridiculous from day 1.. Brady can’t just let this go and I don’t blame him.. All the guy does is win every year and a bunch of jealous owners cooked this up and set their flunky Godell on him… Tragic

  74. Oh dear god, Tom Brady was framed. That is why their were over a thousand communications on his cell to his BFF Deflator that he destroyed violating a legal order. That is why the NFL came down on him despite the fact he WAS the face of the NFL ($) and hugely popular with all fan bases and sexes.

    Face it. The Pats have been caught too many times in the past and this was the straw that broke the camels back with the other 31 owners. Commit the crime, do the time. Man up my little honies!
    __________________________________________

    Huh? What? Have you been living in a cave for the past 15 months? There was actually not one text between Tom and McNally (the guy who called himself the deflator one time in May 2014). Legitimately not one text!

    Violating a legal order? What are you talking about? There is no legal order whatsoever that says TB had to give up his private phone to a private entity. Where do you come up with this stuff?

  75. That is why their were over a thousand communications on his cell to his BFF Deflator that he destroyed violating a legal order.


    Complete fabrication.

    But you knew that. 🙂

  76. sportsavant says:
    May 17, 2016 8:31 AM
    This has really been needling me…so again, why is Tom Brady being suspended?
    ~~~~~~~~
    Because Goodell himself believes Brady acted in a way detrimental to the league and the union gave the commissioner the sole power to decide punishment in those cases in in the latest CBA as well as the previous CBAs. His judgment is the only one that matters here. What you or I believe do not matter at all. Different people can look at the same data and come to different conclusions but the only one legally relevant is Goodell’s. The process leading up to the decision may have been flawed but that is not at all relevant in the case before the court. The initial judge incorrectly took the report and other information into account when he overturned the suspension. The 3 judge panel reversed that decision and slapped down the initial judge for considering factors that may seem important but are not at all pertinent to whether Goodell overstepped his bounds in actually making the decision (not what was decided).

  77. How can people argue with this? From Mark Gaughan “Bear with me while I make one point in the interest of proper perspective. The court battle between Tom Brady and the NFL, which Brady lost, was all about the authority of the NFL commissioner to hand down a four-game suspension.

    Overshadowed was the simple fact: The guy in charge of the Patriots balls called himself the “deflator,” and the evidence showed the Patriots were engaging in under-handed actions to deflate the footballs. You expect us to believe Pats employee Jim McNally wasn’t up to no good? I’ll never buy it. According to the spin-doctoring of the Patriots’ lawyers, McNally called himself the deflator because of his effort to lose weight. Please. The NFL investigation had flaws, for sure. And the NFL may not have won in a court of law. But it didn’t have to. If you read all the text messages in the Wells Report and consider all the Brady calls with his ball boys when the news broke, you have to conclude there’s enough evidence to justify the NFL’s suspension.”:

  78. Brady should try to stop the entire NFL season until this gets resolved in his favor .. especially if there’s a chance of going before Justice Ginsburg with it. Shut it down..

  79. The problem with the “just let it go” crowd is they just don’t get it. For 15 months all we heard was how iron-clad Article 46 is and that RG can do whatever he wants, when he wants, etc. However, 4 judges have now looked at this case and 2 have sided with Brady that RG has overstepped. Why wouldn’t you continue to fight and push for what’s right? Odds say you at least have a fighting chance if a new hearing is granted. The Chief Justice of the 2nd Appeals court agreed with TB, for god’s sake.

  80. The forensic examiner found a total of 557 text messages sent between Oct. 5, 2014 and Nov. 4, 2014. The examiner found that Brady had exchanged text messages with Patriots equipment manager David Schoenfield, equipment assistant John Jastremski, andlocker room attendant Jim McNally. It doesn’t seem that the forensic examiner searched for messages containing any of the Wells preferred search terms like “deflate” and PSI.”

    The discerning reader will notice that we’re left with a gap between Nov. 6, 2014 and March 5, 2015 in which the contents of Brady’s text messages are unavailable. Considering that the AFC Championship game was contested on January 18, 2015, this is a crucial four-month period. This is the destroyed cell phone that so rankled Ted Wells and Roger Goodell. Brady violated an order from his employer which was binding pursuant to his employment with the NFL by destroying the requested evidence.

  81. nflfan4now says:
    May 17, 2016 10:47 AM
    How can people argue with this? From Mark Gaughan “Bear with me while I make one point in the interest of proper perspective. The court battle between Tom Brady and the NFL, which Brady lost, was all about the authority of the NFL commissioner to hand down a four-game suspension.

    Overshadowed was the simple fact: The guy in charge of the Patriots balls called himself the “deflator,” and the evidence showed the Patriots were engaging in under-handed actions to deflate the footballs. You expect us to believe Pats employee Jim McNally wasn’t up to no good? I’ll never buy it. According to the spin-doctoring of the Patriots’ lawyers, McNally called himself the deflator because of his effort to lose weight. Please. The NFL investigation had flaws, for sure. And the NFL may not have won in a court of law. But it didn’t have to. If you read all the text messages in the Wells Report and consider all the Brady calls with his ball boys when the news broke, you have to conclude there’s enough evidence to justify the NFL’s suspension.”:

    ——————-
    What the guy called himself is irrelevant. There is no evidence that the balls were even deflated beyond what one would expect due to weather. The NFL admitted as much to judge Berman in court. It’s like convicting a guy for murder when nobody was killed.

  82. The disproportionate amount of thumbs up posts in favor of Brady just means that Pats fans rush to post on PFT. Even the other Pats talkboards have discussed going to any and all talkboard and post pro Brady posts. The real feeling about Brady and the Patriots are in the nationwide polls in which an overwhelming percentage of Americans say they don’t trust Brady.

  83. How can people argue with this? From Mark Gaughan “Bear with me while I make one point in the interest of proper perspective. The court battle between Tom Brady and the NFL, which Brady lost, was all about the authority of the NFL commissioner to hand down a four-game suspension.

    Overshadowed was the simple fact: The guy in charge of the Patriots balls called himself the “deflator,” and the evidence showed the Patriots were engaging in under-handed actions to deflate the footballs. You expect us to believe Pats employee Jim McNally wasn’t up to no good? I’ll never buy it. According to the spin-doctoring of the Patriots’ lawyers, McNally called himself the deflator because of his effort to lose weight. Please. The NFL investigation had flaws, for sure. And the NFL may not have won in a court of law. But it didn’t have to. If you read all the text messages in the Wells Report and consider all the Brady calls with his ball boys when the news broke, you have to conclude there’s enough evidence to justify the NFL’s suspension.”:
    ________________________________________

    So a Buffalo Bills beat writer, after 15+ months, could only come up with this? No facts, rationale, etc. Just regurgitating what the haters have been saying because they believe it outweighs all the evidence that the Pats are innocent?

    This is pretty pathetic. This writer is still trying to make the post news break communication with JJ an issue? This is exactly what Goodell lied about during the appeal. Brady freely admitted he talked to JJ (not both ball boys by the way) about the case. This argument is null and void since Goodell was proven to have lied about what Brady testified, under oath I may add, during his appeal.

  84. I am losing all respect for Brady as a person, no one can deny his talent on the field but to drag this out as long and far and spend the amount of money he spending on a rule violation he knows he broke is pathetic…..His argument is Goodell doesn’t have the authority to punish him without a smoking gun even though it is clear that he tampered with the balls in in-climate weather….tying up the court to listen to this ridiculous issue for a 3rd time is nonsense….I hope he loses big…..serve the suspension and move on with your life…..he’s a fraud and a coward….the more he drags this on the more guilty he looks…..somebody needs to tell him the asterisk is already next to his name regardless of what happens with this situation…..

  85. At this point, I can’t even care anymore. The bad guys are going to win, and that’s bogus, but it happens all the time. Goodell is the mayor of NFL City, and you can’t fight city hall. Won’t be the first or last injustice we see. I feel bad for Brady, his name is being unnecessarily being dragged through the mud, and he seems like an all-around good dude who has never given any real (not imagined by Hater Nation) reason to believe otherwise. So I’ll just live with getting Jimmy G some reps, and sweating 16 less quarters for Brady to get his knee rolled up on again, and just worry about them winning #5. I couldn’t care less about Week 1 vs Arizona, just try to win those two divisional games, come out of it 2-2 or better, and we’ll go through another formality of a regular season until January rolls around.

  86. The nfl can end this. They won. Now say something like for the betterment of society, we are vacating the suspension and donating the millions of dollars save via further appeals to charity (other than the pockets of the lawyers).
    Enough already..
    The nfl is greedy hence bending rules… everyone.. players..teams … owners..and goodell
    The player association signed a terrible cba.

    I think Brady has been unfairly cast for a minor issue. Goodell saying protecting the integrity. Someone needs to tell him he lost that battle a long time ago.

  87. Half of the Nation has believed the LIES from Goodel and thusly succmmed to being SUCKERED!

    The other Half of our Nation uses tier brains to think and analyze the FACTS and REFUSE to be lied to by Goodel & jealous NFL Owners.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE – Refuse to be the Sheeple of Goodel

  88. Brady doesn’t like to lose, and I bet he does eventually sue the NFL in a regular court, if only to clear his name. On a level playing field in front of a jury, his lawyers would make mincemeat out of Goodell and his minions.

  89. The bone headed comments that start off with “he should take it like a man…..” thanks for providing the humor content. If any of you were in the hot seat and didn’t do anything wrong I am sure you would all take it like the men that you are lol.

  90. I am losing all respect for Brady as a person, no one can deny his talent on the field but to drag this out as long and far and spend the amount of money he spending on a rule violation he knows he broke is pathetic…..His argument is Goodell doesn’t have the authority to punish him without a smoking gun even though it is clear that he tampered with the balls in in-climate weather….tying up the court to listen to this ridiculous issue for a 3rd time is nonsense….I hope he loses big…..serve the suspension and move on with your life…..he’s a fraud and a coward….the more he drags this on the more guilty he looks…..somebody needs to tell him the asterisk is already next to his name regardless of what happens with this situation…..
    ________________________________________

    This is among the worst logic I have heard thus far. First, he is not guilty. No matter how many times you try and convince yourself he is, it won’t come true. There are more actual facts leading to his innocence, than there his to his guilt.

    His argument is actually that he deserves a fair hearing and his fundamental rights cannot be violated, regardless of what Article 46 says. If you were stopped for a cop for jay walking, and the judge decided you deserved 4 weeks in jail for the offense, would you just chalk that up to the court’s authority to do as they please?

    Tying up the court for a 3rd time huh? First, it was the NFL that initially brought this to court. Remember, they filed in NY trying to affirm the decision in a favorable court setting? Then, when they lost at the district court level, the NFL appealed. I assume you were OK with the NFL appealing their initial loss at the district court level? Only now should Brady drop his fight?

    I would actually say the more he drags this out, the more innocent he looks. In 15+ months the NFL has not been able to produce a shred of evidence of any wrong doing. The more this gets airtime, the more we learn about how corrupt the process was. Do innocent men fight this hard? I think so. Therefore, I believe the more he fights, the more innocent he truly is.

    Finally, give it up with the whole asterisk talk. Its ridiculous. He is the GOAT and will retire that way as a first ballot HOF’er. The only stooges who talk about an asterisk are fans of other teams that hate the success of the Pats. Most coaches, players, independent writers, analysts, etc. see through this entire charade and know its a crock. They know Brady is the greatest of all time and will forever be remembered that way. There is no asterisk. There is no taint. There’s only championships and accolades.

  91. nflfan4now says:
    May 17, 2016 10:47 AM
    How can people argue with this?
    __________________________

    Easily, it is full of falsehood
    I invite you to succesfully counter any of these facts from above:

    “The goodellbots however have no factual responses not only to the above but to: physics, Walt Coleman’s best recollection, Goodell lying about Brady’s testimony, the league’s own admission of no direct evidence, Brady providing text and call logs, Roger moving the goalposts, Brady testifying under oath, not providing the NFLPA with discovery, 11 of 12, making up the punishment, lack of notice, the league ‘misplaced’ the Patriots and Colts gauges that could have ended this charade before it really got started.”

    Again, this has nothing to do with PSI, guilt or innocence.

  92. You know even the Pats fans understand the guilt when they try and write War & Peace on a PFT comment thread to try and defend the cheating.

    You guys act like this was the first time for the Patriots. Institutional cheating goes back for years.

    Brady and Billy Boy’s legacies are forever tainted. There is no way around it no matter how you try to rationalize it. I’d do the same thing as a fan if my favorite teams championships were tainted. It’s human nature.

  93. jvw1982 says:
    May 17, 2016 11:11 AM
    I am losing all respect for Brady as a person…
    ____________________

    So simply stated you are losing all respect for a man that will not willfully stick his head in a noose for a murder that did not happen.

  94. He is the GOAT and will retire that way as a first ballot HOF’er.
    ————
    He may retire as a first ballot HOF’er but your measure of calling him the GOAT is based on championships.

    So using that measure Bart Starr is the GOAT by winning 5 in 8 seasons. Not to mention the fact that he also still holds the highest post season career passer rating of all time in a time when the average passer rating was MUCH lower due to the rules that allowed defensive backs to murder WR’s going out for passes.

    Sorry, but if you want to use Brady’s championships as the measure, then you have to admit that Bart Starr is the GOAT 😦

  95. abninf says:
    May 17, 2016 8:07 AM
    The Deflator is named The Deflator because he’s overweight. For real, man. *******

    For the millionth time.. He was not, or ever, known as “The Deflator.” He used the word at a picnic 8 months before the game. He was not known as “The Deflator,” and no one ever referred to him as “The Deflator.” He was known, and still is, as “Bird.” Period. The lies that are spread…

  96. FinFan68 says:
    May 17, 2016 10:45 AM

    The initial judge incorrectly took the report and other information into account when he overturned the suspension.
    __________________________________

    Not true … as anyone who’s read Judge Berman’s decision knows. For those who may not have the time or inclination to read the full decision, the following are direct quotes from Judge Berman’s Decision & Order (with specific case citations removed for the sake of brevity).

    “An arbitrator’s factual findings are generally not open to judicial challenge, and we accept the facts as the arbitrator found them.”

    “The Court is fully aware of the deference afforded to arbitral decisions, but, nevertheless, concludes that the Award should be vacated.”

    “The Award is premised upon several significant legal deficiencies, including (A) inadequate notice to Brady of both his potential discipline (four game suspension) and his alleged misconduct; (B) denial
    of the opportunity for Brady to examine one of
    two lead investigators, namely NFL Executive Vice President and General Counsel Jeff Pash; and (C)
    denial of equal access to investigative files, including witness interview notes.”

    Yes, Judge Berman did take the report and other information into account. That was not incorrect, however.

    To determine whether there were legal deficiencies in the disciplinary process once must examine that process, including reports and other information generated as part of that process. When those reports provide evidence of either legal sufficiency or legal deficiency, it is proper and necessary to cite that evidence in the court’s ruling.

  97. So this is the power which an arbitrator has:

    Brady says that when he started the football game at 1pm the sun was up.

    Then Goodell says he is lying and and it was night time.

    By NFL rules it goes to Arbitration and Goodell is the Arbitrator and he is suspended for 4 games for lying.

    If this goes to court the Court system can not rule on if it was night time or day time only if the Arbitrator has the right to rule any way he seems fit.

    This is the reason why its going to the supreme court

  98. ^^BlessedUnlikeTheRest nails it.

    A swift and concise bludgeoning of Millennial virgins behind computers, all jealous of Brady, rehashing their anger for him not bettering their fantasy leagues, as he spreads the ball around the field.

    LMAO

    Goodell and the owners are crapping their pants if this gets to SCOTUS.

    The last thing Goodell wants to do is put his hand on a bible.

    He’s been caught stone cold. I just wish this was happening when he lied about Spygate, too.

    The cheating by Goodell and others at the top levels of the NFL, defrauding the NFL customer, has to stop.

    It ends here.

    Brady will never be suspended and Goodell should be fired.

  99. The 3 judges in the appeal court did not rule unanimously to uphold the suspension. That means a full appeals court may reverse it. Further the appeals court ruled that the labor contract gives Goodell the authority to suspend anyone even without any proof of wrongdoing. That is not true because one Seattle player dodged the suspension because he claims that the cup that held his urine broke and therefore the positive drug test result was invalid. It does show that the commissioner needs proof of wrongdoing beyond a resonable doubt before he can suspend a player. Ginsberg would most likely side with Brady because she would definitely want to uphold the constitutional guarantee of due process, even if it is not a criminal case.

  100. Panthers “it was like NE was in our huddle”
    Rams ” they were ready for plays and red zone stuff we had never ran before”
    Eagles ” EVERY time we blitzed they threw a screen pass”
    Can anyone name any other SB losers in 50 years that question the outcome of their games? Didn’t think so. Congrats Pats Nation.
    ( que in the rice used stickum and Denver cheated the salary cap on 3-2-1…)
    Deflategate : biggest joke
    Spygate: biggest outrage

  101. Jesus, Brady even cheated on his wife!! What a bastion of moral integrty. Google: Brady, cheating,divorce, nanny. Many published articles on this and he hasn’t threatened one with a lawsuit. Can you say GUILTY!!! LOL.

  102. Just serve the stupid suspension and be done with it. No one cares except him and the dog like fans he has. He comes back week 5, pats make the playoffs, and we can all stop talking about it. Please. Please make it stop.

  103. The fans of that team from up north sure are sensitive. Deny and deflect is a way of life for those people.

  104. “Panthers “it was like NE was in our huddle””

    That’s why the Panthers ran up 400 yards, most in the 2nd half, because the Patriots “were in the huddle”

    “Rams ” they were ready for plays and red zone stuff we had never ran before””

    So, why did Willie McGinest tackle Marshall Faulk when he was being used as a decoy and didn’t have the ball? Because he wanted the penalty? The rams ran 5 red zone plays and scored 1 touchdown and one other play went for 6 yards. so, the Patriots selectively knew half the plays, but still gave up a TD

  105. You know even the Pats fans understand the guilt when they try and write War & Peace on a PFT comment thread to try and defend the cheating.

    You guys act like this was the first time for the Patriots. Institutional cheating goes back for years.

    Brady and Billy Boy’s legacies are forever tainted. There is no way around it no matter how you try to rationalize it. I’d do the same thing as a fan if my favorite teams championships were tainted. It’s human nature.
    __________________________________________

    Actually, not even close. What we are guilty of though is thinking that by posting actual facts and trying to correct the false, fabricated, and downright ludicrous information of some haters, you will finally see the light. That is on us. We should have learned months ago that, very much like the NFL, you are not interested in facts. You just want to believe the Pats success is due to cheating.

    Again, please speak of this institutional cheating. Want to use the warm gatorade excuse that was laid out in the SI article back in September?

    You continue to talk about their legacies being tainted. Yet, BB is widely considered the best coach of all time, and TB is widely considered the best QB of all time. Just because you, as a fan, think they are tainted, it doesn’t mean a thing. Even those that hate TB and BB recognize their greatness. There is no taint, other than what’s in your mind.

    By the way, your Bart Starr argument is pathetic and overused. GOAT is a subjective measure. There are many reasons I think TB is the GOAT. You don’t have to, that’s fine. But he is. And is pretty much considered to be so by many people out there, even outside of NE.

  106. He may retire as a first ballot HOF’er but your measure of calling him the GOAT is based on championships.

    So using that measure Bart Starr is the GOAT by winning 5 in 8 seasons. Not to mention the fact that he also still holds the highest post season career passer rating of all time in a time when the average passer rating was MUCH lower due to the rules that allowed defensive backs to murder WR’s going out for passes.

    Sorry, but if you want to use Brady’s championships as the measure, then you have to admit that Bart Starr is the GOAT 😦

    ——
    Starr’s 5 in 8 looks impressive on the surface… until you realize that 2 of those titles required just one playoff win and 2 more required just two. 🙂 Something that is not possible in today’s NFL.

    Plus of course the game was so much less dependent in Starr’s era on the quarterback than it is today. Starr’s Packer team is a perfect illustration of that.

    I agree that the game is very different now and you can’t really compare stats. So I go by wins because wins means you beat the other QB who is playing by the same rules favorable to offense in today’s NFL so that is the equalizer. 🙂 Brady is the winningest postseason QB in history. He is tied for the most rings. He is the GOAT.

  107. Tom Cousins says: May 17, 2016 8:00 AM

    On what basis do these courts have any bearing for which the NFL makes rulings on the integrity of the game?!?
    …………………….

    Courts have a basis when a union member says its employer illegally levied an unprecedented punishment which tried to penalize said union member millions of dollars without fair process which is protected under federal labor law.

  108. so, regardless of the merits of Brady or the NFL, this thing will get tied up in legalities, and Brady will never serve a game suspension.

    Haters admit it, you are so mad right now.

    Wait until December-January-February, you will be even madder.

  109. handsofsteelhartofstone says: May 17, 2016 8:05 AM

    Just take ur medicine u little punk. Such a tool!!
    ……

    100% agree, Goodell is a punk and a tool. He should have just taken the Berman decision after finally realizing he violated federal labor law and led a smear campaign based on lies and ignorance.

  110. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says: May 17, 2016 12:15 PM

    Brady will go down as one of the best QB’s, but given his lack of passing records, it is clear that he would not have achieved the same success drafted to a team like Cleveland or Tampa Bay without a coach that employs institutional cheating at every turn.
    .,.,,,

    other than just about every Super Bowl and playoff passing record? Or the record for TD’s in a regular season (non-HGH division)?

  111. tylereifertisunstoppable says:
    May 17, 2016 8:26 AM
    Or, he could be a man and serve his punishment for having been caught cheating.
    ———————-
    At this point this has nothing to do with cheating, MIT professors have came out and said there was no deflation, the nfl has admitted in court it has no evidence. This is all about goodell keeping the power to do whatever he feels like to players for any or no reason at all, thats it.

  112. Bart Starr worked in a mill in the off season. If he was given the opportunity to train year round like players today then he might have won many more. Not to mention this is the Brady rule era, Brady would not last a season back in the gridiron days lol. You know.

  113. chazthespaz says:
    May 17, 2016 10:59 AM
    The forensic examiner found a total of 557 text messages sent between Oct. 5, 2014 and Nov. 4, 2014. The examiner found that Brady had exchanged text messages with Patriots equipment manager David Schoenfield, equipment assistant John Jastremski, andlocker room attendant Jim McNally. It doesn’t seem that the forensic examiner searched for messages containing any of the Wells preferred search terms like “deflate” and PSI.”

    The discerning reader will notice that we’re left with a gap between Nov. 6, 2014 and March 5, 2015 in which the contents of Brady’s text messages are unavailable. Considering that the AFC Championship game was contested on January 18, 2015, this is a crucial four-month period. This is the destroyed cell phone that so rankled Ted Wells and Roger Goodell. Brady violated an order from his employer which was binding pursuant to his employment with the NFL by destroying the requested evidence
    —————————————————
    Except the NFL who promised to protect any evidence provided by Brady leaked his texts stating manning was done in a year or two, forcing brady to have to apologize to manning.

    And the nfl had no right to Brady’s personal cell phone under the CBA, plus the nfl had all the text from the 2 ball boys.

  114. newmancave2016 says: May 17, 2016 8:34 AM

    We just needs to distill this to the simple facts:

    1. Yes, Brady is guilty of participating in a scheme to deflate game balls. Every non-NE fan knows this. Even some NE fans know it.

    2. No, the NFL didn’t conduct a thorough or fair investigation, resulting in the farce that was the Wells report.

    3. Regardless of #2, the a corporation can suspend its employees as it sees fit.

    The third statement is all this case should be about. It’s all it *is* about. Brady still seems to think this is about whether or not the NFL proved, beyond a reasonable doubt (or even by preponderance of the evidence) that he “cheated.” It’s not. To the NFL, it’s about much more–their rights to discipline their employees. They are going to put their full resources into that matter, making this a no-win situation for Brady. He’d be far better off trying to negotiate a settlement with the NFL directly. Serve two games and don’t admit guilt, and drop the litigation. Then, our long national nightmare can finally be over.

    ………….

    1.) Science, NFL discrepencies and outright lies (both to press and in open court), NFL’s blocking of evidence review and common sense say otherwise. Also, where are the PSI numbers from this year? you think if they helped the NFL’s case they would still withhold them?

    2.) spot on

    3.) No, the NFL’s CBA is not the end all be all of any league matter. The NFL is further beholden to federal labor law which it clearly violated with its improper appeal proceedings. And to the other point, Goodell is too proud to settle without an admission of guilt, and Brady has no incentive either to admit something he didn’t do just to save 2 games. All or nothing is the only way for either side.

  115. Starr’s 5 in 8 looks impressive on the surface… until you realize that 2 of those titles required just one playoff win and 2 more required just two. 🙂 Something that is not possible in today’s NFL.
    ———–
    Doesn’t make a difference. There were fewer teams in the league then, so having more playoff games would be silly. So it made the regular season games that much more meaningful. But….with fewer teams, the talent was more concentrated on each team from college players.

    Sorry, but your logic does not compute at all. Sorry. You can try to move the goal posts afterwar you realized that there is a QB that actually has more championships to his name, but it doesn’t change the facts. 😦

  116. Brady is the winningest postseason QB in history. He is tied for the most rings. He is the GOAT.
    ———–
    Playing a long time for a good team doesn’t make you the GOAT. It’s still a team sport and Brady wouldn’t have done jack on a team like the Browns over his career. If you actually look at his career passing statistics vs other great QB’s or watched them play, it would be obvious that there were many other QB’s that were better than him, they just didn’t play on good enough teams or have a coach that tilted the field every way possible through institutional cheating.

  117. accipiterq says:
    May 17, 2016 8:31 AM

    You know, honestly, was the investigation a complete sham? Yup. Is there a 99.9% chance that cold air resulted in the balls deflating some? Yup. Did the Ted Wells investigation not even use basic science? Yup. Does any of this matter? Nope. Because the NFLPA gave Goodell the power to do what he wants as far as discipline. It doesn’t matter if he wants to suspend Brady for belching out of turn. The NFLPA gave the guy the power to do what he wants, and he did.
    —————————-

    The CBA does not give Roger Goodell the power to commit fraud, and then suspend a player as a result of that fraud.

    It does not give Roger Goodell the power to deny a player a fair appeal hearing.

    It also doesn’t give Roger Goodell the power to change the reason for the suspension after the appeal hearing.

    The whole thing stinks, and the fact that two Federal Appeals Court judges had to be bribed to reach an unlawful decision should be a matter for a congressional hearing.

  118. crush22 says:
    May 17, 2016 9:40 AM
    truthprofessor says:
    May 17, 2016 8:49 AM
    This is how an innocent man fights. Determined to the last to expose the NFL for its lies and corruption
    ——————–
    Nothing says innocent like smashing your phone the day you are to turn it in.
    ———————————-

    He was never going to turn it in and the NFL had no right to ask for it. It is not their property. Wells had already told Brady that the phone was not required, and Brady had already told the league he would never surrender it. Case closed.

  119. other than just about every Super Bowl and playoff passing record? Or the record for TD’s in a regular season (non-HGH division)?
    ————–
    You mean because his TEAM participated in so many SB’s, so he has many of those records by default due to number of pass attempts in the SB? That’s just a silly statistic. He’s 39 and his career passing statistics still don’t compare or even eclipse many great QB’s.

    His post season passer rating is 15th for crying out loud. Starr is still #1 on that list 60 years later and the game has gotten even easier for passers not harder. 😦

    Also, to make things an equal comparison, I looked at the career passer ratings for SB QB’s. BRADY IS NOT EVEN IN THE TOP 10. Yeah, that surprised me as well.

  120. newmancave2016 says:
    May 17, 2016 8:34 AM
    The third statement is all this case should be about. It’s all it *is* about. Brady still seems to think this is about whether or not the NFL proved, beyond a reasonable doubt (or even by preponderance of the evidence) that he “cheated.” It’s not. To the NFL, it’s about much more–their rights to discipline their employees. They are going to put their full resources into that matter, making this a no-win situation for Brady. He’d be far better off trying to negotiate a settlement with the NFL directly. Serve two games and don’t admit guilt, and drop the litigation. Then, our long national nightmare can finally be over.
    ======================
    All this proves is the difficulty of summarizing this into simple “facts”. Trying to simplify this as negotiated power is wholly inaccurate. Not to mention wrong. Anybody who thinks the NFLPA isn’t aware they ceded power to Goodell to punish as he sees fit isn’t paying attention. The language in the CBA granting commissioner powers pre-dates Goodell by quite some time. Did he act within his right? Sure. Did he do it fairly? That is what is being argued by the NFLPA. That is what will be presented to the full appellate court et al. The court can conclude “we may not disturb an award so long as he acted within the bounds of his bargained‐for authority” but the fact remains there are tons of examples where that hasn’t been the case if done unfairly.

  121. nhpats says:
    May 17, 2016 10:23 AM
    savethebs says:
    May 17, 2016 9:03 AM
    Jeez can this just be over? I HATE the Pats & I DO think Brady did this. But it’s clear he was WAY overpunished. I felt like 1 game would be about right. But I don’t even care if he ever serves a game. Just tired of hearing about this & hearing mouth breathing Pats fans cry about it.

    —————
    So since the Colts balls were also under inflated you must also believe that Andrew Luck is guilty too right? Or did weather only deflate the Colts footballs….. And given that the Colts balls were also deflated, why was Luck not also suspended and why did the Colts not also lose draft picks?
    ————–
    Because your owner admitted guilt when he accepted the punishment.
    The Colts were never accused because the Patsies* were the only ones cheating (again).
    See the difference?

  122. Bart Starr worked in a mill in the off season. If he was given the opportunity to train year round like players today then he might have won many more. Not to mention this is the Brady rule era, Brady would not last a season back

    —-
    I love how people immortalize QB’s and other players in a past era that they most likely have never even seen play for themselves.

    Truth is there is absolutely no reason to think guys like Starr, Tittle, Unitas and the rest of them would have a chance to be a top QB in today’s NFL. Any opinion to the contrary is worthless because it is just not based on anything factual. I do know they would find it quite a challenge to manage offenses a million times more complex than what was in their playbook…while at the same time trying to avoid bigger, faster and stronger defensive players all ready to hit him like a mack truck.

    You know it’s true.

    Does it matter? No. They were the greats of their era just as Brady is an all time great in his. Period.

    🙂

  123. My gosh! This 6th round QB knows nothing about damage control. Do the right thing and get your name outta headlines already…..

  124. crush22 says:
    May 17, 2016 1:26 PM

    Because your owner admitted guilt when he accepted the punishment.
    *****************
    Psst, he didn’t have any legal alternatives. By the way, Ted Wells? Exonerated the team…

  125. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says:
    May 17, 2016 12:15 PM
    Brady will go down as one of the best QB’s, but given his lack of passing records,
    *******************
    You do realize he set the record (now broken) for passing TDs in 2007?

  126. Also, to make things an equal comparison, I looked at the career passer ratings for SB QB’s. BRADY IS NOT EVEN IN THE TOP 10. Yeah, that surprised me as well.

    —-
    Of course that is because you’re comparing guys in the top 10 who played in 2 super bowls vs one guy who played in 6. That’s silly. 🙂

  127. Hey Ref, there’s a guy named ” the deflator” that needs to get the footballs early so he can take a piss with them. Don’t worry about the name, just lost some weight, lol

  128. To all the ignorant haters. Tom Brady and the Patriots were not caught doing anything. Read the Well’s Report that was edited by the front office. The report was what was used to determine punishment. The NFL basically just said, we don’t believe him. Even though they couldn’t prove proof of tampering or that there was a plot, instead of handing a team penalty of $25k per football, they doled out a personal 4 game suspension, $1m in fines and two draft picks. There is a crime going on here and it wasn’t committed by Brady or the Patriots. This is why we have a court system. The NFL has rules they have to abide by to that are more powerful than their CBA.

  129. Truth is there is absolutely no reason to think guys like Starr, Tittle, Unitas and the rest of them would have a chance to be a top QB in today’s NFL.
    ——-
    Sure they would. Because they would have been afforded the same opportunities to develop and train using all the same methods that the current players do. The mental aspect is the most important for a QB as well as having the arm and coordination. This transcends all era’s.

    Plus, there is nothing athletically special about Brady compared to Starr. He is more of a statue, doesn’t have any better arm as Starr did. And Starr’s post season passer rating has stood the test of time in an era where passer ratings have become inflated.

  130. Brady has never once wavered in his denial of any involvement in a scheme to deflate footballs.

    And the NFL’s own lawyer, speaking to Judge Berman, admitted they had no actual evidence of wrongdoing by Brady.

    Yet folks on this site continuously insist that that Brady should stop trying to fight this and accept his punishment.

    If you were accused of a crime that you denied doing and for which there was no evidence of your involvement, would you just accept the punishment?

  131. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says: May 17, 2016 1:19 PM

    other than just about every Super Bowl and playoff passing record? Or the record for TD’s in a regular season (non-HGH division)?
    ————–
    You mean because his TEAM participated in so many SB’s, so he has many of those records by default due to number of pass attempts in the SB? That’s just a silly statistic. He’s 39 and his career passing statistics still don’t compare or even eclipse many great QB’s.

    His post season passer rating is 15th for crying out loud. Starr is still #1 on that list 60 years later and the game has gotten even easier for passers not harder. 😦

    Also, to make things an equal comparison, I looked at the career passer ratings for SB QB’s. BRADY IS NOT EVEN IN THE TOP 10. Yeah, that surprised me as well.
    ……..

    Tom Brady
    #1 in post season TD passes (leading by 11 TDs)
    #1 in post season passing yds (leading by over 600yds)
    #1 in post season completions (leading by 89)
    #1 in post season 4th qtr comebacks
    #1 in post season game winning drives
    #1 in post season total offensive yds

    and the obvious, tied to most QB SB rings and #1 in SB appearances

    I’d say that’s pretty good, and to say some of those are just accumulation stats makes no sense. He had to win those games in order to play in more games. That is greatness.

  132. Playing a long time for a good team doesn’t make you the GOAT. It’s still a team sport
    —-
    Yes it is but the quarterback is the most important player on the team and he rightfully gets credit or blame for what happens to the team. That was not always the case in the NFL and certainly not true back in Starr’s day.

    BRady isn’t just some guy who played a long time for a good team. He is the very top of the league in this era, winning multiple MVPs and setting multiple NFL passing records along the way.

    and Brady wouldn’t have done jack on a team like the Browns over his career.
    —-
    Worthless argument, as it’s not based on anything tangible or factual. No different than me saying Montana would have been trash playing for the Jets.

    If you actually look at his career passing statistics vs other great QB’s or watched them play, it would be obvious that there were many other QB’s that were better than him,
    —-
    Your opinion 🙂

    they just didn’t play on good enough teams

    Funny… the Patriots were 5-13 in their last 18 games before Brady became a starter and then…. 🙂 Were they “good enough”?

    or have a coach that tilted the field every way possible through institutional cheating.
    —-
    Neither do the Patriots so not sure what you are getting at. 🙂

  133. The issue in court is not about whether the ball was inflated but was the disciplinary process consistent with the collective bargaining agreement. The players union only has themselves to blame. They gave Emperor Roger all the power in the CBA. It will be interesting to see if they can reverse it in the next one.

  134. Brady has never once wavered in his denial of any involvement in a scheme to deflate footballs.
    ————-
    Why would he? Everyone who is guilty and has as much to lose as he does would deny, deny, deny forever.

    He also refuses to try to explain the text messages, the fact that he never had any communication BEFORE the issue with the deflator’s or backed Kraft’s ridiculous excuse that they were talking about weight loss.

    No Patriots fan or Brady ever wants to address these issues. For obvious reasons.

  135. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says:
    May 17, 2016 12:15 PM
    Brady will go down as one of the best QB’s, but given his lack of passing records,
    ——————————

    Lack of passing records? Who cares about that?

    The guy is a first ballot hall of famer. That and his Super Bowl victories are all that he needs.

    You can leave the meaningless stats and records to guys like Manning.

  136. Funny… the Patriots were 5-13 in their last 18 games before Brady became a starter and then…. 🙂 Were they “good enough”?
    ——–
    Yes. Having a competent QB will definitely help increase your team’s success. But the Patriots as a team were also on the rise as well after one down year which also happened to be Belicheck’s first year as a HC. It takes time for a new HC to implement their system from personnel to fit it and in Belicheck’s case the time to install and benefit from his institutional cheating.

    Regardless, it doesn’t make Brady the GOAT and that was my original statement.

  137. Sure they would. Because they would have been afforded the same opportunities to develop and train using all the same methods that the current players do.
    —-
    But they didn’t. “Woulda”s are not facts. So again… nothing tangible here. There is no tangible reason to think that these guys can handle the modern game with the doctorate thesis that is the modern NFL playbook. There is no reason to think their style can adapt to the modern era. They didn’t have to in their day, where is the proof they would now?

    Yes agree about the mental aspect and Brady is as cerebral and mentally tough as they come. And physically too. Guys like Justin Tuck and Michael Bennett who really did beat the crap out of Brady on the field are on the record vouching to that.

  138. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says: May 17, 2016 2:14 PM

    Brady has never once wavered in his denial of any involvement in a scheme to deflate footballs.
    ————-
    Why would he? Everyone who is guilty and has as much to lose as he does would deny, deny, deny forever.

    He also refuses to try to explain the text messages, the fact that he never had any communication BEFORE the issue with the deflator’s or backed Kraft’s ridiculous excuse that they were talking about weight loss.

    No Patriots fan or Brady ever wants to address these issues. For obvious reasons.

    ……….

    Your facts are wrong. There is plenty of interaction that was brought up between Brady and the equipment guys earlier that season. Its in the Wells report, read it.

  139. I’m not sure why anyone would think Ginsburg would be of any help.
    The decision to overturn Berman’s decision was primarily based on the Supreme Court’s Garvey decision in which Ginsburg joined the majority’s 8-1 vote.
    So basically, she would be saying she was wrong. Not much chance of that.

  140. Remember when #TheHaters claimed the Patriots would lead the league in fumbles last season? How did that work out? Has there ever been any group that is more consistently wrong than #TheHaters?

  141. mguittar

    In the Garvey case there was no proof of collusion.

    The Wells Report, all its 56 lies and Goodell stamping it with Pash, reflects there was collusion.

    Collusion is very hard to prove.

    Not here, it isn’t.

  142. ——–
    Yes. Having a competent QB will definitely help increase your team’s success. But the Patriots as a team were also on the rise as well after one down year which also happened to be Belicheck’s first year as a HC.
    —-
    Revisionist history. The Patriots were a wretched football team before Brady became starter, and then won the Super Bowl and started their run after him. Go figure. 🙂

    Regardless, it doesn’t make Brady the GOAT and that was my original statement.
    —-
    Being the winningest postseason QB in history, having the most Super Bowl rings in history as a starting QB along with 2 other legends, holder of multiple NFL passing records both regular and post season, leading his team to the playoffs again and again despite having sub par weapons around him, and regarded as one of the most clutch players in any sport at any time are all facts that certainly do make him GOAT. 🙂

  143. Half the Nation and two Judges accept the lies of Goodel = Brady is guilty.

    Half of the Nation and two Judges accept the US Constituion and FACTS = Brady has been FRAMED.

  144. The governing body, the rule makers beleive Brady had knowledge or was instrumental in deflating footballs. They are going at this without any sign in backing down. If Brady does indeed play the next few seasons without being suspended because of appeal after appeal and does retire without this getting resolved it is going to do his reputation harm in my opinion for ever outside of New England. Like a big black cloud following him were ever he goes. And that’s really sad.

  145. @letmefeelyourlove,
    My point is that the CBA does not spell out how Goodell needs to come to his decision. It merely says he has the authority to make that decision. It says nothing about even conducting an actual investigation or how it should proceed. Technically, Goodell could have been taken a fan poll and based his decision off that although that would have been monumentally unwise. What you quoted the judge about are legal system requirements, not internal disciplinary procedures. I personally don’t believe Brady is guilty based on standards I would use, but the point is Goodell alone has been given that authority by the union via the CBA. The process used is a matter handled at the bargaining table, not in the courts. The court is tasked with determining if the CBA was violated, not whether the details line up with legal standards for criminal prosecution. Under the judges reasoning Brady should have had the right to a trial by jury just like every criminally accused defendant in the country. The reason that is not so is because the CBA is wherenthe agreed upon process resides. Absent specific procedures, the authority they gave the commissioner means he can use whatever process HE deems appropriate. What the judge listed is smoke and mirrors and the 3 judge panel called him out on it.

  146. Why would he? Everyone who is guilty and has as much to lose as he does would deny, deny, deny forever.

    He also refuses to try to explain the text messages, the fact that he never had any communication BEFORE the issue with the deflator’s or backed Kraft’s ridiculous excuse that they were talking about weight loss.

    No Patriots fan or Brady ever wants to address these issues. For obvious reasons.
    __________________________________________

    What are you even talking about? First, there was not one text message between TB and McNally (the guy who referred to himself as the deflator one time in May 2014). Not a single text. That can be corroborated by the fact that the NFL reviewed all of McNally’s texts and there was zero communication between him and TB.

    He has specifically stated, under oath mind you, that part of the increased communication with JJ after the story broke was discuss the scandal. He has never held back that info. It was Goodell that tried to make it seem like Brady and JJ never talked about it in the weeks between the AFCC and SB, but we all now know that is a lie. So again I ask you, what is he unwilling to explain?

    What other text messages has he refused to explain? Anything between JJ and McNally was, am I am going out on a limb here, likely discussed when they were subject to 3-4+ and countless hours of interviews. Why would TB want to speculate or try to explain texts between two people of which he was not a party to?

  147. The issue in court is not about whether the ball was inflated but was the disciplinary process consistent with the collective bargaining agreement. The players union only has themselves to blame. They gave Emperor Roger all the power in the CBA. It will be interesting to see if they can reverse it in the next one.
    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Goodel violated the CBA when he created a four game punishment for a violation that called for a $25k fine.

    Goodel violated the CBA when he lied about the Investigation on National TV,
    Lied about the Well$ Report
    Lied about Brady’s phone being required,
    Lied about the Colts balls passing the minimum PSI
    Lied about PSI Testing by withholding evidence
    Lied about the Science so badly that he makes 5th Graders laugh out loud
    Lies everytime he uses the word Integrity
    Goodel continues to violate the CBA and believes he has the right to do so.

    That is what this is all about and the outcome will have SERIOUS implications on your US Constitutional Rights in the workplace.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE

  148. Being the winningest postseason QB in history,
    ———–
    And yet it was all his doing even though his individual post season passer rating is a paltry #15 all time and he’s not even in the Top 10 for SB career passer ratings.

    So yes, he has been on some good teams, but in a TEAM sport, if he was as big of a factor and the GOAT, he would certainly have higher individual passer ratings that are based on efficiency rather than just gross statistics skewed by number of pass attempts based simply on being in the playoffs and Super Bowls more often because he was on good teams.

  149. newmancave2016 says: We just needs to distill this to the simple facts:

    1. Yes, Brady is guilty of participating in a scheme to deflate game balls. Every non-NE fan knows this. Even some NE fans know it.
    ————————————————–

    Ted Wells, the fraud of an investigator himself, doesn’t even agree with you on that. And every fan who isn’t insanely jealous of the Patriots knows it.

    He said that he’s not sure if there was a scheme to deflate footballs – but IF there were one – and even that hinges on the Laws of Physics somehow being suspended – that he THINKS Brady was PROBABLY aware of it

    Not exactly the proof you seem to think it is

    Goodell had no proof – so he had to hope that most fans are uneducated and gullible enough to believe that the “cellphone” charade fools guys like you.

    In case you don’t recall those details Wells and the NFL repeatedly told Brady they didn’t want his cellphone, didn’t need his cellphone and in fact the CBA didn’t allow the NFL to have it.

    Goodell ignored that and declared Brady guilty for doing exactly what Goodell had done when he refused to hand over his personal cell phone to FBI Director Mueller in the Ray Rice investigation as it would have shown proof that Goodell lied under oath

    Brady INSISTED on stating his innocence under oath, willingly inviting perjury charges knowing that he was telling the truth

    The only people we KNOW were lying throughout this is Goodell, the NFL, Colts, Ravens and others on Goodell’s payroll

    THIS has all been proven. 11 of 12 fans know this.

  150. Is anyone reading all these comments? I doubt anyone reads more than a handful before stating his opinion!

    Here is mine:

    This is not Tom Brady delaying the outcome for his own purposes, it is the NFLPA standing up for workers’ rights.

    The argument is not about guilt or innocence, but rather about fairness of the penalty and appeal process.

    The courts are tied 2-2 so far, and this needs to go on until the courts have made a clear ruling.

  151. When will ANY Patriots fan address the text messages AND Kraft’s excuse about weight loss?

    after addressing it many times, we have given up

    you people refuse to listen

    again

    there was 1 text where deflator was used, months before the AFCCG

    deflation was with respect to lowering the air pressure, correct, but not below 12.5

    kraft was screwy to say otherwise

    he was screwy to think there would be a quid pro quo for accepting the wrath of team punishments and no punishment to Brady.

    reality, Godell could never prove any deflation so he changed the punishment for non cooperation

    even though wells stated he cooperated and did not need the phone

    this is a labor issue, owners right to have their commissioner swing his hammer as freely as they desire.

    reality, se if you can grasp it.

  152. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says:
    May 17, 2016 3:01 PM
    When will ANY Patriots fan address the text messages AND Kraft’s excuse about weight loss?
    That is the elephant in the room that you ALL want to constantly ignore.
    ————————————————

    It’s been answered repeatedly for those who don’t refuse to read

    one text message – months before DefameGate – referenced the cheating of 16 PSI footballs by the officials in a Jets game and the fact that Brady like his footballs @ 13 PSI (not even the lowest) and then the phrase “deflate and give me that jacket” which if it doesn’t reference weight loss, I’d love to hear what YOU think it means

    If you want to consider that circumstantial evidence fine – it also supports Brady in that he wants footballs in the middle, not the low end

    But the ACTUAL evidence of the footballs themselves shows that NO DEFLATION TOOK PLACE

    Let me make this simple for you. Imagine a murder trial with no body, but circumstantial evidence that might suggest guilt.

    You’d convict Brady even though the so-called “victim” strolled into court, asserting that the circumstantial evidence PROVES a murder took place, despite the live appearance of a victim

    Stop making us all embarrassed to consider you a fellow NFL fan

  153. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says:
    May 17, 2016 3:01 PM
    When will ANY Patriots fan address the text messages AND Kraft’s excuse about weight loss?

    That is the elephant in the room that you ALL want to constantly ignore.

    Tell us why there was a text from Brady to JJ telling him to bring the rules to the ref in reference to the PSI levels?

    Why would you want to bring it to the attention of the refs if you are doing something you are not supposed to do

    Then you say. Again you are wrong!
    He also refuses to try to explain the text messages, the fact that he never had any communication BEFORE the issue with the deflator’s or backed Kraft’s ridiculous excuse that they were talking about weight loss.

    No Patriots fan or Brady ever wants to address these issues. For obvious reasons.

    ……….

    Your facts are wrong. There is plenty of interaction that was brought up between Brady and the equipment guys earlier that season. Its in the Wells report, read it.

  154. And through it all he plays GREAT. I mean how tough can you get, there aint even a close second best all time. Even when they lose big games he plays his guts out; unlike that retired professional big game bed wetter. Like Strahan says, he’s the toughest SOB in the league.

  155. When will ANY Patriots fan address the text messages AND Kraft’s excuse about weight loss?

    That is the elephant in the room that you ALL want to constantly ignore.
    _________________________________________

    I ask you again, what do you need explained? Taking text messages out of context over a 9-month period can lead to any string of assumptions (hence all you armchair investigators trying to link one text message from May 2014 to an AFCC in January 2015). So which texts in particular bother you so much? I will try to explain as best I can. Bear in mind, no one can really know which they mean because they were included in the “independent” Wells Report without any context whatsoever. I imagine Wells, the crack investigator he is, asked everyone to explain the text messages during their interrogations. Why did we never hear from him what JJ or JM had to say? Why, after interviewing JM multiple times across multiple hours, did we not even get a glimpse into what he testified to?

  156. since he did know about it whether you want to admit it or not i wonder…what if he had to sit in jail until this was sorted out or better yet he had to face jail time if he did not admit it and it was proven i’d bet tom would be standing up and saying yes i knew and yes i’m sorry end of rant

  157. Brady is the greatest QB of all time without a doubt.

    He slaps Patriot Haters wussy team up and down the field and makes them like it.

    🙂

  158. Yep. Just as I suspected. Patsie fans go around trying to spin their own tales on text messages and meanings.

    Yet they STILL have a hard time speaking to the weight loss which was what the text messages were all about in the first place, right? LOL
    _________________________________________

    I asked you multiple times which texts messages bother you. Its apparent that the deflator text is the only one you keep clinging onto. In reality, no one (including Pats fans) can really explain why he called himself this. However, it does not mean that because he called himself the deflator one time in May 2014, that he is guilty of illegally deflating footballs in the AFCC 8 months later. In that intervening period, we had the famous Jets game at home in October 2015 where the balls were over-inflated to 16 PSI. If there was this big scheme to deflate balls, and this guy “the deflator” did it all the time, what happened at the Jets game?

    Its quite ironic that you are calling out Pats fans for “trying to spin their own tales on text messages and meanings”. This is exactly what the $5M+ “independent” Wells report did and sheep like you ate it up. They relied on out of context text messages to reach a conclusion that Brady was generally aware of ball deflation. Why can Wells interpret text messages one way, but we are not allowed to interpret them another way? Especially knowing now all that we do……..you know, the fact that the balls were not even intentionally deflated

  159. skoobyfl says:
    May 17, 2016 9:55 AM

    Most people forgot that Tom didn’t cooperate with the NFL (Employer) & the mutually agreed upon CBA allows the commissioner the power to suspend, therefore it’s Roger’s decision.
    ————————

    No one forgot that, because it isn’t true.

    Tom cooperated with the NFL, though they are not his employer.

    He is employed by the New England Patriots.

  160. Tom cooperated with the NFL, though they are not his employer.

    He is employed by the New England Patriots.
    ————
    This is like saying that a Subway worker isn’t an employee of Subway but the franchisee of the business, so they don’t have to adhere to the rules of the corporate entity. The corporate entity can shut the franchise down if it doesn’t follow their rules.

    It would have been really simple to prove he was innocent if he was in fact innocent. All that was required were any relevant messages requested between him and the deflator stooges on his cell phone printed out and submitted to investigators, not his actual cell phone.

    If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to hide.

  161. McNally: Nice dude….jimmy needs some kicks….lets make a deal…..come on help the deflator

    McNally: Chill buddy im just fu-kin with you ….im not going to espn……..yetMcNally: The only thing deflating sun..is his passing rating

    Jastremski: I have a big needle for u this week

    McNally: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks….or its a rugby sunday

    ————————

    Now please tell me why on earth an EMPLOYEE would demand cash and sneakers for simply doing his job if it weren’t against the rules? Why would he ask for bribes to do his job?

    Exactly.

  162. FinFan68 says:
    May 17, 2016 2:49 PM

    The process used is a matter handled at the bargaining table, not in the courts. The court is tasked with determining if the CBA was violated, not whether the details line up with legal standards for criminal prosecution.
    ___________________________________

    Not true. If you read 9 U.S. Code § 10 you will see that the courts have the authority to vacate arbitration awards if they determine there has been misconduct by any party to the arbitration. The CBA clearly give the commissioner the authority to act as arbitrator, but it does not absolve him should he be guilty of misconduct, and it does not exempt him from the provisions of federal arbitration law.

    With respect to the 2nd Circuit Court, two justices concluded that there was misconduct sufficient to vacate Goodell’s decision, and two justices found otherwise. All four justices pointed out that they were not ruling on whether Goodell’s decision was correct based on the facts, but only whether the process was consistent with the requirements of federal arbitration law.

  163. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says:
    May 17, 2016 3:35 PM

    Yep. Just as I suspected. Patsie fans go around trying to spin their own tales on text messages and meanings.

    Yet they STILL have a hard time speaking to the weight loss which was what the text messages were all about in the first place, right? LOL
    —————————–

    NO ONE really knows what any of the text messages mean because Pash left any testimony by McNally or Jastremski as to what the text messages were referring to out of his report.

    Now, the smart person knows the reason why they left any supporting testimony from the two central figures in the deflategate fraud out of the official report, and that reason is that what they had to say didn’t support the conclusions that Pash was paid to reach.

  164. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says: May 17, 2016 3:00 PM

    Being the winningest postseason QB in history,
    ———–
    And yet it was all his doing even though his individual post season passer rating is a paltry #15 all time and he’s not even in the Top 10 for SB career passer ratings.

    So yes, he has been on some good teams, but in a TEAM sport, if he was as big of a factor and the GOAT, he would certainly have higher individual passer ratings that are based on efficiency rather than just gross statistics skewed by number of pass attempts based simply on being in the playoffs and Super Bowls more often because he was on good teams.

    ……………………..

    Alex Smith is #4 in playoff QB passer rating, so he’s 4 times the playoff QB Brady is? Passer rating is hardly the final word on QB performance, sweet cherry picking.

  165. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says: May 17, 2016 4:56 PM

    Next Up: Patriots fans discuss Spygate and argue that they were just filming a documentary on the NFL.
    ………..

    this from a guy who says Mark Sanchez and Alex Smith are better playoff QBs than Brady.

  166. steviaquinn says:
    May 17, 2016 1:47 PM
    Hey Ref, there’s a guy named ” the deflator” that needs to get the footballs early so he can take a piss with them. Don’t worry about the name, just lost some weight, lol
    ================
    And yet the Colts balls were deflated despite the “deflator” never touching them. Weird.

  167. this from a guy who says Mark Sanchez and Alex Smith are better playoff QBs than Brady.
    —————
    I never said that even once. I said that if Brady was the GOAT and was the entire reason for his teams success, then you would surely see his passer rating in the post season and the Super Bowl in the Top 10. He is 15th in the post season and doesn’t even crack the Top 10 for Super Bowl QB’s. What does that tell you?

  168. Alex Smith is #4 in playoff QB passer rating, so he’s 4 times the playoff QB Brady is? Passer rating is hardly the final word on QB performance, sweet cherry picking.
    ————
    The difference is that he’s barely been in many playoff games, so its possible that it is very skewed. But Brady’s lack of post season dominance when it comes to passing efficiency is over a much larger sample size, so it is less likely to be skewed by small sample size.

    I would expect ANY QB who is considered as the definitive GOAT would easily be Top 10. Otherwise, it is more likely that the team around him had just as much to do with the success as his individual efforts. Sorry. I know that sound logic stings a bit. 😦

  169. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says:
    May 17, 2016 4:39 PM

    It would have been really simple to prove he was innocent if he was in fact innocent. All that was required were any relevant messages requested between him and the deflator stooges on his cell phone printed out and submitted to investigators, not his actual cell phone.

    If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to hide.
    ————————

    Pash already had the relevant messages between Brady and Jastremski.

    The information from his phone that Brady later gave Pash showed that there weren’t any other communications between the two.

    Why do you keep acting like all of this stuff wasn’t already confirmed months ago? Where have you been the last year and a half?

  170. Pash already had the relevant messages between Brady and Jastremski.

    The information from his phone that Brady later gave Pash showed that there weren’t any other communications between the two.
    ————–
    Wrong. He destroyed his cell phone and didn’t provide all relevant text messages.

    “The forensic examiner found a total of 557 text messages sent between Oct. 5, 2014 and Nov. 4, 2014. The examiner found that Brady had not exchanged any text messages with Patriots equipment manager David Schoenfield, equipment assistant John Jastremski, or locker room attendant Jim McNally. It doesn’t seem that the forensic examiner searched for messages containing any of the Wells preferred search terms like “deflate” and PSI.”

    The discerning reader will notice that we’re left with a gap between Nov. 6, 2014 and March 5, 2015 in which the contents of Brady’s text messages are unavailable. Considering that the AFC Championship game was contested on January 18, 2015, this is a crucial four-month period. This is the destroyed cell phone that so rankled Ted Wells and Roger Goodell.”

  171. The forensic examiner found a total of 557 text messages sent between Oct. 5, 2014 and Nov. 4, 2014. The examiner found that Brady had not exchanged any text messages with Patriots equipment manager David Schoenfield, equipment assistant John Jastremski, or locker room attendant Jim McNally. It doesn’t seem that the forensic examiner searched for messages containing any of the Wells preferred search terms like “deflate” and PSI.”

    The discerning reader will notice that we’re left with a gap between Nov. 6, 2014 and March 5, 2015 in which the contents of Brady’s text messages are unavailable. Considering that the AFC Championship game was contested on January 18, 2015, this is a crucial four-month period. This is the destroyed cell phone that so rankled Ted Wells and Roger Goodell.

  172. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says: May 17, 2016 5:02 PM

    Even more humorous is watching the Patsie fans defend the text messages about deflation saying that they were only doing it within the confines of the rules.

    THEN PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOUR DOPE-HEAD OWNER SAID IT WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT WEIGHT LOSS?
    ……………

    What does a text in the heart of the off season have anything to do with the AFC title game which was scientifically proven to have had footballs that were perfectly within the legal limit and where a league investigation turned up zero hard evidence ? It is a bizarre hill to die on, but you insist.

  173. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says:
    May 17, 2016 4:46 PM
    McNally: Nice dude….jimmy needs some kicks….lets make a deal…..come on help the deflator

    McNally: Chill buddy im just fu-kin with you ….im not going to espn……..yetMcNally: The only thing deflating sun..is his passing rating

    Jastremski: I have a big needle for u this week

    McNally: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks….or its a rugby sunday

    ————————

    Now please tell me why on earth an EMPLOYEE would demand cash and sneakers for simply doing his job if it weren’t against the rules? Why would he ask for bribes to do his job?

    Exactly.

    Exactly what?

    Again, how do you know what is or what isn’t sarcasm between 2 friends?

    If he was serious then WHY would the team give both guys there jobs back ?

    Exactly.

  174. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says: May 17, 2016 5:54 PM

    The forensic examiner found a total of 557 text messages sent between Oct. 5, 2014 and Nov. 4, 2014. The examiner found that Brady had not exchanged any text messages with Patriots equipment manager David Schoenfield, equipment assistant John Jastremski, or locker room attendant Jim McNally. It doesn’t seem that the forensic examiner searched for messages containing any of the Wells preferred search terms like “deflate” and PSI.”

    The discerning reader will notice that we’re left with a gap between Nov. 6, 2014 and March 5, 2015 in which the contents of Brady’s text messages are unavailable. Considering that the AFC Championship game was contested on January 18, 2015, this is a crucial four-month period. This is the destroyed cell phone that so rankled Ted Wells and Roger Goodell.

    ……………

    Tom Brady provided all cell data and went above and beyond and provided email as well to the NFL office. NFL is not a court or law enforcement and has no legal right to those things but were provided them anyway. To show their appreciation, they lie in the press and leaked the emails (why do I know about Brady’s pool cover preferences?). A “discerning reader” of your post will find deficiencies in your facts. Cell phone had no bearing whatsoever on the facts of the case.

  175. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says:
    May 17, 2016 5:33 PM

    I would expect ANY QB who is considered as the definitive GOAT would easily be Top 10. Otherwise, it is more likely that the team around him had just as much to do with the success as his individual efforts. Sorry. I know that sound logic stings a bit.
    ——————————-

    Some people say that Elway is the GOAT, and he is in the bottom half of the list.

    Doesn’t matter though, because no one cares about a quarterback’s playoffs rating.

  176. The difference is that he’s barely been in many playoff games, so its possible that it is very skewed. But Brady’s lack of post season dominance when it comes to passing efficiency is over a much larger sample size, so it is less likely to be skewed by small sample size.


    So says the poster who happily compared Super Bowl passer ratings from quarterbacks who played in 2 Super Bowls against a guy who played in 6. 🙂

    Patriot Hater is getting funnier and funnier by the day! I just LOVE their logic!

    🙂

  177. Tee hee 🙂 It’s so much fun to laugh at Patriot Hater’s inane ramblings. 🙂 I really don’t know a better source of daily amusement!

    🙂

  178. @. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!!

    If YOU don’t think Brady is the goat (and you are entitled to your opinion) then who is?

  179. The Deflator Lives!

    No one would ever use terms like “inflate” “deflate” “pump” etc. to describe the increase or decrease in size of the human body, right?

    Right, Hanz and Franz?

    Right, Aaron “I’m-Going-to-Pump-You-Up” Rodgers?

    Right, Arnold “Pumping Iron” Schwarzenegger?

    Especially not joking around with half-witted work colleagues just to get laughs.

    I mean, who would do that?

  180. since 2000- 190 Wins-58 losses, 13 AFC Titles, 10 AFC Championship appearances, 6 AFC Titles, 6 Super Bowl appearances, 4 world Championships………………………………And the Patriots are early super bowl favorites. I love all that.

  181. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says:
    May 17, 2016 5:56 PM
    It’s common practice to destroy your cell phone a day before meeting with investigators. But somehow he had 2 other one’s that weren’t destroyed, with one of them actually being older than the one destroyed. Yeah. Not fishy at all. Right?
    ==================
    From Brady …

    “I also disagree with yesterdays narrative surrounding my cellphone. I replaced my broken Samsung phone with a new iPhone 6 AFTER my attorneys made it clear to the NFL that my actual phone device would not be subjected to investigation under ANY circumstances. As a member of a union, I was under no obligation to set a new precedent going forward, nor was I made aware at any time during Mr. Wells investigation, that failing to subject my cell phone to investigation would result in ANY discipline.”

    Note the difference between the Goodell narrative of a destroyed phone to that of Brady’s narrative of replacing a broken phone.

  182. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says:
    May 17, 2016 5:54 PM
    The discerning reader will notice that we’re left with a gap between Nov. 6, 2014 and March 5, 2015 in which the contents of Brady’s text messages are unavailable. Considering that the AFC Championship game was contested on January 18, 2015, this is a crucial four-month period. This is the destroyed cell phone that so rankled Ted Wells and Roger Goodell.
    =========================
    The discerning reader would also note Brady provided the logs for that gap since that is exactly what Goodell asked for prior to the first “appeal” hearing. The discerning reader would also note that Goodell disregarded the very information to explain that gap despite asking for it. The discerning reader might want to ask if the narrative of a “destroyed” phone would even hold up if that gap in information could actually be explained by the logs Brady provided.

    “Brady was able to obtain a log of all his phone calls and text messages, and since he had not changed phone numbers, this included calls and messages during the mysterious four-month gap. These were cross-referenced against communications listed in the Wells Report, and for the most part (with the exception of three missing texts) they matched, as Wells was given access to both Jastremski and McNally’s Patriots-supplied work phones”

  183. nhpats, you are wrong. The NFL found the balls were below legal standards taking the idea gas law into consideration. The NFL never claimed and were very clear that they never had any direct evidence of Brady linking Brady to the actions of JM and JJ. And Judge Berman never cleared Brady.

  184. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says:
    May 17, 2016 5:33 PM
    I would expect ANY QB who is considered as the definitive GOAT would easily be Top 10. Otherwise, it is more likely that the team around him had just as much to do with the success as his individual efforts. Sorry. I know that sound logic stings a bit.
    ===================
    I can get on board with this. Understanding it removes QBs like Marino et al from the conversation completely. I’m not as sold as you are on post season passer rating as the litmus test for GOAT but there’s certainly an argument to be made. I think there are more than a few QBs in the conversation that benefit from level of competition in the post season and in turn benefit from over inflated passer ratings.

  185. With a gun to your head you are asked to answer this question correctly:

    What should you believe in the Deflategate case?

    A) 100+ Years of PROVEN Science

    B) 56+ PROVEN NFL Lies

    How many Trolls just had their heads blown off because they don’t want to admit they’ve been duped by Roger the Master Marketer? (Click the thumbs down.)

    Choosing “B” doesn’t make your right. It makes you a willfully ignorant dupe. Celebrate that. Yay Trolls!

  186. limakey says:
    May 17, 2016 6:25 PM
    nhpats, you are wrong. The NFL found the balls were below legal standards taking the idea gas law into consideration. The NFL never claimed and were very clear that they never had any direct evidence of Brady linking Brady to the actions of JM and JJ. And Judge Berman never cleared Brady.
    ===================
    Well we know that’s fiction. The NFL has also freely admitted they had zero understanding of the IGL (and apparently scientific method despite it being thousands of years old). Then we get to rely on Exponent to take on those measurements based on what the NFL decided Anderson’s recollection of what gauge he used. Even though 100% of the pressure loss can be explained if the NFL accepted the gauge Anderson recalled using.

  187. limakey says:
    May 17, 2016 6:25 PM
    nhpats, you are wrong. The NFL found the balls were below legal standards taking the idea gas law into consideration. The NFL never claimed and were very clear that they never had any direct evidence of Brady linking Brady to the actions of JM and JJ. And Judge Berman never cleared Brady.

    The NFL admitted to Berman the DID NOT know what the IGL was.

  188. Again for those who deny science and believe the FLAWED Wells/ Pash report according to scientists from MIT, Carnegie Mellon, the University of Chicago, Boston College, Rockerfeller University, the University of Illonois, Bowdoin Collge & others there was no tampering. None.
    MIT professor John Leonard has exonerated the Patriots, please see his 60 minutes sports segment, also available on u tube.
    There was no tampering!!!

  189. Oh my GOD….the trolls will do their best to bait whomever they can & like moths to a flame people are drawn in….
    Seriously, who really cares what they think or say….
    Patriots dominate & will continue to do so….
    Anyone with even 1/2 a brain stem KNOWS this was CRAP….
    Let the Trolls have their fun & WE PATS FANS will enjoy yet ANOTHER CHAMPIONSHIP PUSH for Lombardi # 5!!!
    Go Pats!!!

  190. Leonard said that if an M.I.T. undergraduate made the kinds of mistakes that Exponent made, “I would force them to repeat the experiment and correct the analysis.” Based on his study of the data, Leonard now says: “I am convinced that no deflation occurred and that the Patriots are innocent. It never happened.”

    The above quote is from MIT professor & Eagles fan John Leonard.

  191. With a gun to your head you are asked to answer this question correctly:

    What should you believe in the Deflategate case?

    A) 100+ Years of PROVEN Science

    B) 56+ PROVEN NFL Lies

    How many Trolls just had their heads blown off because they don’t want to admit they’ve been duped by Roger the Master Marketer?

    (Click the thumbs down.)

    Choosing “B” doesn’t make your right. It makes you a willfully ignorant dupe. Celebrate that. Yay Trolls!

  192. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says:
    May 17, 2016 4:39 PM
    It would have been really simple to prove he was innocent if he was in fact innocent. All that was required were any relevant messages requested between him and the deflator stooges on his cell phone printed out and submitted to investigators, not his actual cell phone.
    =====================
    “Brady was able to obtain a log of all his phone calls and text messages, and since he had not changed phone numbers, this included calls and messages during the mysterious four-month gap. These were cross-referenced against communications listed in the Wells Report, and for the most part (with the exception of three missing texts) they matched, as Wells was given access to both Jastremski and McNally’s Patriots-supplied work phones.”

    Simple, right? After all this is what we got from Goodell …

    “As I have said publicly, I very much look forward to hearing from Mr. Brady and to considering any new information or evidence that he may bring to my attention,”

    When he did submit the relevant information (that Goodell asked for) it was disregarded. So yeah, simple. smh

  193. If YOU don’t think Brady is the goat (and you are entitled to your opinion) then who is?
    ———-
    I already told you. Using Patriots fan logic for why Brady is, then it has to be Bart Starr. 5 championships in 8 years is insane by any measure. Especially when your post season passer rating is still #1 over 60 years later in an age where the ratings have been greatly inflated due to changes in the passing rules.

  194. The ruling against Brady violated any and all credibility and won’t stand. Brady will win this fight because he has all the facts on his side and knows it.

  195. If he was serious then WHY would the team give both guys there jobs back ?

    Exactly.
    —————
    Lawsuits. When you are fired for being directed to cheat by your superiors, you are wise to give them their jobs back so they don’t sue or dish the dirt.

    And why would the team given them different jobs than before?

    “he is barred from serving as a locker room attendant for game officials, or having any involvement with the preparation, supervision or handling of footballs or any other equipment on game day.”

    Jastremski similarly can’t have anything to do with preparing, overseeing or handling footballs that will be used during NFL games this season.”

  196. The ruling against Brady violated any and all credibility and won’t stand. Brady will win this fight because he has all the facts on his side and knows it.
    ————
    It is normal to destroy your cell phone the day before meeting with an investigator that you used during the time in question? And saying that you routinely destroy your cell phone, yet you still have a phone to hand over that was older than the one that was destroyed? Yeah, OK.

  197. Right, Aaron “I’m-Going-to-Pump-You-Up” Rodgers?
    ————
    This is my favorite argument in the defense of Brady because it shows just how unintelligent you Patsie fans are.

    Rodgers has his balls inflated to the maximum or a bit over to account for the air removed when they test the football with a pressure guage. The refs test and inspect all of them BEFORE they are used in a game.

    In Brady’s case, he has the balls deflated AFTER they are tested by the refs when a ball boy disappears with them.

    2 completely different scenarios. Not even close to being the same comparison whatsoever. Yet you still grasp onto it it like a life line.

  198. fireroger, Seriously, did you know about the IGL before this? So what if the NFL did not know about it before it before this? Did they ignore it in their experiments? No they did not. Did they ignore this in their findings? No they did not. Did Tom Brady challenge their findings with AEI report in his appeal? Yes he did. Did he win that challenge, no he did not. In the comissioner’s ruling, it was explained why Walt Anderson recollection of what gauge he used was wrong. Walt Anderson made a mistake. The NFL proved it. And Mr. Anderson always maintained he could have been wrong.

  199. Tim Tebow playoff passer rating: 90

    Therefore, Tebow must be better than Brady, both Mannings, Roethlisberger, Favre and a whole bunch of others.

    Riiiiiiiiiight.

    #GoofyPatriotHaterLogicCracksMeUp

  200. Brady is the greatest QB of all time. Period.

    Any other opinion is trash. It’s that simple.

    Cheers!

    🙂

  201. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says:
    May 17, 2016 6:57 PM
    If YOU don’t think Brady is the goat (and you are entitled to your opinion) then who is?
    ———-
    I already told you. Using Patriots fan logic for why Brady is, then it has to be Bart Starr. 5 championships in 8 years is insane by any measure. Especially when your post season passer rating is still #1 over 60 years later in an age where the ratings have been greatly inflated due to changes in the passing rules.

    I didn’t ask you to “use Patriots fans logic” I asked you for your opinion on who YOU think is the goat?

    And I’ll let you in on a little secret…it’s NOT just Patriots fans that think Brady is the goat. Pull up any article on the subject and 99% of them will have Brady or Montana 1 or 2.

    And again you or I can’t tell sarcasm in a text between 2 friends.

    JM also sent a text to JJ during the Packers Patriots game “deflate and give someone that jacket”

    Can you explain that? Me neither.

  202. Tim Tebow playoff passer rating: 90

    Therefore, Tebow must be better than Brady, both Mannings, Roethlisberger, Favre and a whole bunch of others.

    Riiiiiiiiiight.
    ———–
    I already stated that QB’s with limited playoff games played can have a skewed passer rating due to minimal sample size compared to QB’s who have played in many.

    Thus, Brady has a very large sample size to prove that his individual performances in the playoffs are not on par with some of the all time greats. Sorry. 😦

  203. I already stated that QB’s with limited playoff games played can have a skewed passer rating due to minimal sample size compared to QB’s who have played in many.

    Thus, Brady has a very large sample size to prove that his individual performances in the playoffs are not on par with some of the all time greats. Sorry. 😦
    —-
    And yet you made a comment that Brady is not on a top 10 Super Bowl passer rating list even though he’s played 6 games and many names on that list have only played 2 or 3. So…sample size matters or it doesn’t, which is it?

    Sorry indeed.

    🙂

  204. Rodgers has his balls inflated to the maximum or a bit over to account for the air removed when they test the football with a pressure guage. The refs test and inspect all of them BEFORE they are used in a game.

    —-
    Funny…not one quote from Rodgers exists that says that is the reason why he overinflated footballs to an illegal amount. 🙂

    In fact he IS quoted as saying he inflates them higher than what is allowable and hopefully the refs don’t catch him.

    Nice try.

    🙂

    #cheater

  205. And yet you made a comment that Brady is not on a top 10 Super Bowl passer rating list even though he’s played 6 games and many names on that list have only played 2 or 3. So…sample size matters or it doesn’t, which is it?
    ————–
    Super Bowl’s are a bit different since it takes a lot of things going right to get to one, including being on a good team. Where as playoffs are much easier for teams to make it since so many participate.

    Both do not bode well in a discussion for Brady being the GOAT, but rather carried more by his team than other elite, non-Tebow players. Logic would help you decipher the difference between an elite QB and a bad one with an anomaly playoff passer rating that is much higher than their career rating. The great QB’s have Super Bowl and playoff passer ratings that are on par with their career ratings or maybe even elevated slightly because they thrive in the biggest games.

    Brady’s career post season passer rating carries over and correlates quite well to his SB passer rating. Both are not in the Top 10. Sorry. 😦

  206. dasyamummybigbread says:
    May 17, 2016 11:08 AM

    Is this what taxpayers pay judges to do? Decide whether some football player gets to play? Crazy waste of resources IMO
    —————————

    The government flushes trillions of dollars down the toilet every year, and this is what you are worried about?

    But, to answer your question, yes, taxpayers pay Federal judges to hear cases regarding labor law.

  207. Super Bowl’s are a bit different since it takes a lot of things going right to get to one, including being on a good team. Where as playoffs are much easier for teams to make it since so many participate.


    I’ll take your complete dodge of my question as an admission of cherry picking to suit your argument. 🙂

    Fair enough. Hey we all do it from time to time.

    🙂

  208. If there was no salary cap, Brady would easily have 6 rings by now, if not more.

    2006 comes to mind as does 2010 with Moss, not to mention all the players in general Belichick had to walk from during the most difficult era to sustain winning.

    Brady won 3 SBs with Troy Brown, David Patten and Branch, Givens as his best WR options.

    For anyone to sit there and pretend he’s not the greatest QB ever for these reasons alone, is clearly not up on NFL history.

    Compare Brady to perennial choker Peyton Manning, the latter who won 2 SBs by handing it off for 4 qtrs with the opponent looking like a deer in the headlights.

    Enough said.

  209. Patriot haters must lack the cognitive thought that it requires to overcome the initial 6+ month misinformation tour that was initiated by the NFL at the behest of Roger Goodell & 31 pathetic team owners that would do anything to keep the Patriots from winning. You know the farce that began with the report of “2 PSI under the allowed football pressure” which was soon proven to be wrong. But then the NFL deliberately ignored written requests by the Patriots to correct the information for 6 months while the false story was being imprinted in the heads of weak minded fans of 31 teams. Guess it’s easy to deliberately dupe people when you have a multi-billion dollar organization that is in the business of marketing and can easily get stories spun through a variety of media outlets. The NFL misinformation campaign also perpetrated the “Brady destroyed his phone” sham.

  210. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says:
    May 17, 2016 7:24 PM

    I already stated that QB’s with limited playoff games played can have a skewed passer rating due to minimal sample size compared to QB’s who have played in many.

    Thus, Brady has a very large sample size to prove that his individual performances in the playoffs are not on par with some of the all time greats. Sorry.
    —————————-

    Well, Tom Brady has played in 3 times as many playoff games as Bart Starr, so there is your skewed passer rating difference.

  211. Anyone with even a modicum understanding of science or logic would immediately recognize a major problem with the way the NFL officials measured the 12 Patriots footballs and the 4 Colt’s footballs. Measuring all 12 of the Patriots footballs while allowing the Colts balls to warm up after bringing them inside a building during the halftime break would invalidate the results. Anyone but the most gullible would not have been duped asked why didn’t the NFL alternate and measure one football of each team and then repeat until ALL 24 FOOTBALLS WERE MEASURED. Alternating and measuring all the footballs would have been a more scientific approach that could be understood by a 4th grader. The way the NFL measured the PSI in the footballs was either a deliberate scam or a moronic blunder.

    NFL PSI measurements of the Colts footballs after allowing the footballs to warm up indoors while all 12 of the Patriots footballs were measured twice:
    Colts football #1 12.70 12.35
    Colts football #2 12.75 12.30
    Colts football #3 12.50 12.95
    Colts football #4 12.55 12.15
    As you can see there are some measurements that are below the 12.5 PSI that is called for by the NFL rules. Never any talk about punishments for the Colts or Andrew Luck because they don’t win as much.
    You can also see that these footballs continued to warm up so there were differences between the 2 measurements of the same ball.

    Yet no fine, QB suspension, and lost draft picks for the Colts. Anyone with any intelligence can see that this entire thing is an excuse to help get league parity and also get back at Brady for stating that a coach should read the rule book.

  212. @FactPurveryor

    You make too much sense. The rubes here and jealous morons don;t understand fact and logic. They simply believe a pathological liar named Roger Goebbels.

  213. whatjusthapped says:
    May 17, 2016 8:14 AM
    These legal strategies give me a head ache, why do you do us all a public service by updating us on the efficiencies of the Deflator’s diet plan? I hope I am not the only one in America that truly believes he really got his nickname from his attempts to lose weight.

    ————————————————————

    His nickname was actually Bird. He never at any time had a nickname of ‘the deflator’.

    He did use those words on himself a single time in a single text that was from May of 2014, that’s during the offseason before he started working with the team. Even a Pat’s homey will agree that comment wasn’t about weight loss, but even an idiot can grasp that if he said it in May of 2014 it wasn’t about deflating game balls either. Lotta idiots in this comment section if we go by that simple test.

  214. This has been a very interesting and hilarious couple of hours. I read all the comments. Here’s my take:

    “The good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it.” ― Neil deGrasse Tyson

    And I am amazed and how crazy some of you get over this issue. Like someone above posted, ‘It’s a strange hill to die on, but you insist.’

  215. NO publicity is bad publicity, even the rich jealous country club owner and their puppet commish knows this. NOt sure they thought it would have gone on this long though.

    Brady and the Patriots beat, routinely, their competition… you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out why the rich boys club and their jealous fans are against NE.

    A complete and utter frame job that cost millions and millions of dollars that could have gone to so much better use, Play 60, inner city programs, anything.

    But no, the League is framing the player that brings the league the most money. If I were Tom Brady, they’d be no way in hell I would be backing down…

  216. limakey says:
    May 17, 2016 7:18 PM
    fireroger, Seriously, did you know about the IGL before this? So what if the NFL did not know about it before it before this? Did they ignore it in their experiments? No they did not. Did they ignore this in their findings? No they did not. Did Tom Brady challenge their findings with AEI report in his appeal? Yes he did. Did he win that challenge, no he did not. In the comissioner’s ruling, it was explained why Walt Anderson recollection of what gauge he used was wrong. Walt Anderson made a mistake. The NFL proved it. And Mr. Anderson always maintained he could have been wrong.
    ==========================
    Look. There’s nothing ambiguous about Walt Anderson recalling “the gauge with the logo and the longer, crooked needle”. Two very distinct physical characteristics separating the two gauges. It’s also well documented in the report that Wells persuaded Anderson to admit that it was “more probable than not” it wasn’t the same gauge. Here’s the simple fact of it, if the NFL assumed Anderson was correct in his understanding of which gauge he used every single amount of PSI loss can be explained. Period. Marry that up to every other scientific method bungle the NFL did to gather data and it’s really not too hard to see why we are where we are right now.

    If I’m handing down the harshest penalty in NFL history I would think the minimum expectation would be to make certain you have it right. There is no way anybody looking at this objectively can walk away thinking the NFL got this right.

  217. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says:
    May 17, 2016 7:04 PM
    It is normal to destroy your cell phone the day before meeting with an investigator that you used during the time in question? And saying that you routinely destroy your cell phone, yet you still have a phone to hand over that was older than the one that was destroyed? Yeah, OK.
    ========================
    Let’s assume for a brief second that what Brady claimed was true and that instead of destroying his phone he simply replaced a broken phone. Would you consider it normal practice to keep a broken phone? Would a normal person re-use a broken phone? Would a multi-millionaire want to try and sell a broken phone or try and get it repaired? Most likely no to all of those questions.

    So the question is really which narrative do you believe? Did Brady destroy the phone as Goodell wants people to believe. Or did Brady replace a broken phone?

  218. limakey says:
    May 17, 2016 7:18 PM
    In the comissioner’s ruling, it was explained why Walt Anderson recollection of what gauge he used was wrong. Walt Anderson made a mistake. The NFL proved it.
    ——————–

    No it did not, it reiterated the fallacy of the Wells report like it was fact. The reality is the Colts and Patriots gauges used pregame would easily have shown which gauge Anderson used. Unfortunately they were ‘misplaced’ after last being seen in the possession NFL VP James Daniel

  219. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says: May 17, 2016 7:51 PM

    Even more damning for “Mr. GOAT”, is that his passer rating in the post season and Super Bowl is actually lower than his career passer rating. So it appears that he withers in big games in the post season, yet thankfully the team carries him and his pedestrian passer rating of 88.0.

    Yes, I was actually shocked at how low it was too. 😦
    …………

    Brady is #1 all time in post season game winning drives and post season 4th quarter comebacks. I’d take that over passer rating which claims the likes of Alex Smith is the 4th greatest post season QB ever and Mark Sanchez is 7th best.

    How about Adam Vinatieri? He is not in the top 50 in playoff FG% , does that mean he is not a top 50 all time playoff kicker? Most people say he is #1.

  220. “It’s unbelievable that McNally was talking about weight loss when he called himself the deflator!”

    Was McNally fat? (answer: yes)

    Is there even one scientific source, outside the control of the NFL, who will support the Wells Report and thinks the evidence indicates tampering? (answer: no)

    See? That wasn’t so hard.

  221. Would the NFL be pursuing this against Brady if he were a minority player? I think it’s a legitimate question. It’s not that the NFL doesn’t dole out discipline to minority players, it’s that in this case, it appears things have been trumped up more so to establish court precedence for future control, than for anything that actually may or may not have happened. I’m just wondering if they could drag a minority player through the mud like this, and withstand the social criticism that would accompany it. Attacking Brady gives them a “nobody is above the law” angle for Sheriff Goodell with the media. I just think the whole thing has stunk to high heaven from the beginning.

  222. The reality is both sides of this stink to high heaven. In the end you shouldn’t levy ridiculous punishment like this unless you get it right. The NFL didn’t. Period. To make matters worse this is now the second time the haven’t gotten it right with the Patriots. All NFL fans deserve better. They should demand better from the NFL.

    Goodell needs to exit stage left.

  223. Talk is cheap, only performance counts and it’s now well documented that no matter how much or little air u put in a ball, Brady is greatest in big games. SB 49 was the all time clutch QB and I’ve seen them all.

  224. “Justice Ginsburg becomes the key to keeping Brady on the field through…”
    Let’s hope she remembers he’s buddies with that Right Wing Nut Job—> The Donnie.
    Who knows, maybe she’ll do the right thing and tell Tom Shady to go pound salt… without holding his friendship with the RWNJ against him.

  225. Let’s take a step back. Objectively, there is a general perception outside of NE that the Patriots, specifically Bellichek and to a lesser degree, Brady, like to play fast and loose with the rules. This isn’t to say that is an objective perception; but that it undeniably exists. That’s why we have countless posts about the minutiae of every development, and legions of Patriots fans on every post, attacking everyone that has anything remotely unflattering to say about THEIR PRECIOUS BOY.

    When the Pats unveiled their ineligible/eligible receiver shell game vs the Ravens, the rest of the fans in the NFL were told to suck it, that we were all just jealous that your coach was so much smarter and better prepared. Well, guess what, that went a long way to creating your current predicament. Now, while everyone else is enjoying spring and thinking about almost anything other than football, you Pats crazies feel obligated to stay online and stay vigilant, to protect YOUR PRECIOUS BOY.

    And the insanity of it is, you say it is all a big conspiracy, a plot hatched by jealous owners and fed by jealous fans. You know who is jealous of you at this point? Not a single fan. Raiders fans are enjoying their offseason more than you are, and they didn’t even make the playoffs last year. They at least have reason for optimism. Cleveland fans have no reason for optimism, yet they are still enjoying their offseason more than you. And they live in Cleveland!

    So, enough already with the “jealousy” angle. You have a 39 year old QB mired in the courts over whether he’ll see the first 1/4 of the season. You have a team that has won one Super Bowl in the last decade, but to hear you tell it you win it almost every year. You can’t stand the fact that other people have bad things to say about YOUR PRECIOUS BOY, so you are chained to cyberspace to defend HIS NAME in every corner of the Internet.

    And no matter how much you whine, complain, squeal, bray, and deny deny deny, YOUR PRECIOUS BOY will forever be tied to suspicion of cheating. Fair or not, that is the truth. Pete Rose the greatest hitter of all time? Maybe, but you’re going to hear someone bring up his lifetime ban, every time, in perpetuity, despite that he had owned the hits record for a decade, and was never found to compromise the integrity of a single game. Not fair, but still the truth.

    Embrace it. Take a breath. Go outside, and do something productive. Try to forget about all those meanies saying nasty things about YOUR PRECIOUS BOY.

  226. chazthespaz says:
    May 17, 2016 11:26 PM

    Hey Cheat Nation, flap your jaws all you want, your team is forever tainted. Yeah, that’s a fact!
    ——————————————————-

    Hey Troll,

    Where you finding that “tainted stuff? Just looked on NFL.com and didn’t see anything about taint next to anything Patriots…

    Ohhhh, that is your little Troll pipe dream fantasy…How cute. Playing make believe out on Troll Fantasy Island… Neat!

    Here in reality, we look in the record book and NFL.com and see numerous Patriot Championships and Super Bowl victories…

    Those are what we call FACTS, not make believe by a few willfully ignorant Trolls..

    Make sure to tune in to see Patriots and Brady make another deep run in the playoffs this year…

    20+ Years on NFL Dominance! Another FACT!

  227. aj66shanghai says:
    May 19, 2016 3:47 AM
    Pete Rose the greatest hitter of all time? Maybe, but you’re going to hear someone bring up his lifetime ban, every time, in perpetuity, despite that he had owned the hits record for a decade, and was never found to compromise the integrity of a single game. Not fair, but still the truth.
    ===========================
    Is anybody defending Rose was not guilty? Nope. Why? It was proven he was. Maybe it’s not so much about defending the precious boy and more about proving it. For once.

  228. aj66shanghai says: May 19, 2016 3:47 AM

    Let’s take a step back. Objectively, there is a general perception outside of NE that the Patriots, specifically Bellichek and to a lesser degree, Brady, like to play fast and loose with the rules. This isn’t to say that is an objective perception; but that it undeniably exists. That’s why we have countless posts about the minutiae of every development, and legions of Patriots fans on every post, attacking everyone that has anything remotely unflattering to say about THEIR PRECIOUS BOY.

    When the Pats unveiled their ineligible/eligible receiver shell game vs the Ravens, the rest of the fans in the NFL were told to suck it, that we were all just jealous that your coach was so much smarter and better prepared. Well, guess what, that went a long way to creating your current predicament. Now, while everyone else is enjoying spring and thinking about almost anything other than football, you Pats crazies feel obligated to stay online and stay vigilant, to protect YOUR PRECIOUS BOY.

    And the insanity of it is, you say it is all a big conspiracy, a plot hatched by jealous owners and fed by jealous fans. You know who is jealous of you at this point? Not a single fan. Raiders fans are enjoying their offseason more than you are, and they didn’t even make the playoffs last year. They at least have reason for optimism. Cleveland fans have no reason for optimism, yet they are still enjoying their offseason more than you. And they live in Cleveland!

    So, enough already with the “jealousy” angle. You have a 39 year old QB mired in the courts over whether he’ll see the first 1/4 of the season. You have a team that has won one Super Bowl in the last decade, but to hear you tell it you win it almost every year. You can’t stand the fact that other people have bad things to say about YOUR PRECIOUS BOY, so you are chained to cyberspace to defend HIS NAME in every corner of the Internet.

    And no matter how much you whine, complain, squeal, bray, and deny deny deny, YOUR PRECIOUS BOY will forever be tied to suspicion of cheating. Fair or not, that is the truth. Pete Rose the greatest hitter of all time? Maybe, but you’re going to hear someone bring up his lifetime ban, every time, in perpetuity, despite that he had owned the hits record for a decade, and was never found to compromise the integrity of a single game. Not fair, but still the truth.

    Embrace it. Take a breath. Go outside, and do something productive. Try to forget about all those meanies saying nasty things about YOUR PRECIOUS BOY.
    ……….

    Uh, no, just no. Denying science and lying both in the media and in open court tends to bring out critics. And you just wrote quite a bit on the topic… what does that make you?

  229. 4 Super Bowl Losses and ZERO Championships in 50 years SKOLOLOLOL!!! says: May 17, 2016 5:27 PM

    this from a guy who says Mark Sanchez and Alex Smith are better playoff QBs than Brady.
    —————
    I never said that even once. I said that if Brady was the GOAT and was the entire reason for his teams success, then you would surely see his passer rating in the post season and the Super Bowl in the Top 10. He is 15th in the post season and doesn’t even crack the Top 10 for Super Bowl QB’s. What does that tell you?
    ………………….

    Yes you did. You are claiming passer rating is the ultimate indicator of the greatness of a playoff QB as you relentlessly keep bringing it up without mentioning Brady is #1 all time in playoff comebacks and game winning drives. Alex Smith is 4th all time in playoff passer rating, Mark Sanchez is 7th.

    I just drank you milkshake. Sorry dude, you lost, again.

  230. ajshanghai66
    It is simple math Harbuagh was outcoached by something thar was vague in the rule book til it was changed. I say again nope Harbaugh was just outcoached. By the way in Harbaugh we are talking about a coach that cheated ask the Steelers and the Colts about his illegal challenges

  231. LOL.

    Patriot Haters everywhere saying: Take your punishment, you cheater! He made his bed, sleep in it!

    Real Translation: Please, PLEASE don’t appeal and take the four weeks so our team will get a smidgeon of a chance at winning the SB this year!

    Keep on hating. You hate us cuz you ain’t us! 🙂

  232. What isn’t said is that all of the speculation is a very “long shot” to go as stated. More likely than not the appeal will be denied and the U.S. Supreme court will not take it up, nor stay the lower court.

    My guess is the case will end before the season begins.

    Can’t fault Brady for exhausting all his options, but they are about over.

  233. Whether you Patsies like it or not, the legacy left forever outside of Beantown, by your QB, your coach, and your team, will be -YOU HAD TO CHEAT TO WIN
    You should be ashamed

  234. Shock hawk you should be ashamed that you don’t understand that there was NO TAMPERING ! 7 th grade science class proves there was no tampering!
    Coming from a PED filled team , you should be ashamed!!!

  235. What I am ashamed of is people like you. You make accusations. Care to back them up. Oh wait you can’t. I say that as aside from 07 when have the Pats cheated?

  236. dandeman19 says:
    May 21, 2016 8:44 PM

    What I am ashamed of is people like you. You make accusations. Care to back them up. Oh wait you can’t. I say that as aside from 07 when have the Pats cheated?
    —————————-

    The Patriots didn’t cheat in 2007. They correctly interpreted a poorly written memo.

  237. Your wife and girlfriend want to have his baby. Your children wish he were their daddy. Worst of all, your team wishes he were their qb. But for pats fans life is very good.

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