CBA calls for fines, lost OTAs for offseason violations

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As the NFL considers whether the Ravens violated the rules of the offseason program by putting rookies in pads during a recent minicamp, some have asked what the consequences will be. So here’s the answer, for those who asked (and those who didn’t).

The Collective Bargaining Agreement uses a combination of fines, lost practice time, and draft-pick forfeiture in situations like this. The good news for the Ravens is that draft picks become an issue only in the event of multiple violations in the same league year. (The bad news is that they’re now potentially one violation away from losing a fourth-round pick.)

For a first violation, the head coach “shall be subject to a fine in the amount of $100,000 for the first violation,” and the team “shall be subject to a fine in the amount of $250,000 for the first violation.” Those amounts are based on 2011 league revenues; there’s a provision in the CBA allowing for an increase based on future growth in earnings.

Under the labor deal, the team’s next week of OTA sessions also “shall be canceled.”

Two years ago, Seahawks coach Pete Carroll was fined “at least” $100,000, the Seahawks were fined “more than $200,000,” and the team lost two minicamp days in 2015 for having impermissible contact at offseason workouts in 2014.

It has not yet been determined that the Ravens definitely violated the rules. If it is, the penalties don’t provide much wiggle room for the Ravens, given the presence of the word “shall.”

35 responses to “CBA calls for fines, lost OTAs for offseason violations

  1. Those fines are pocket change for clubs owned by multi-billionaires. The potential loss of draft picks is by far the most effective lever the league office owns in situations like this.

  2. So, with regard to the punishment, the rules clearly establish what the penalty shall be? Interesting. So a $100k fine for a first offense, is this going to be translated with a the Patriots app, or the Jets app? The Jets app translates that to the $0.49 fine, loss of 15 minutes of training camp practice time, and the kicker will have to use last years practice balls for 7 extra point attempts during training camp. The Patriots app translates that into a 4 game suspension and $1 million fine

  3. The put pads on their shoulders for 5 minutes, the drills were no contact, and now we’re carrying on about fining the coach 200 freaking thousands dollars. Stop the madness. I’m no fan of the Ravens but this is a classic example of why I despise unions.

  4. For a first violation, the head coach “shall be subject to a fine in the amount of $100,000 for the first violation,” and the team “shall be subject to a fine in the amount of $250,000 for the first violation.”***

    ***Unless it is the New England Patriots, who shall be subject to unlimited fines and loss of draft picks based on whatever Roger Goodell feels like (using the Article 46 Dean Wormer Double Secret Probation clause), whether or not there was actually any violation of a rule or any actual evidence of wrongdoing by anyone.

  5. If they did the crime they better do the time. Fair is fair. Seahawks got nailed for contact from guys getting too hyped up. Putting them in pads is intentional and clearly mandated by the coach and team.

  6. I understand the Ravens broke the rule. But how is it against the rules to practice in pads? Football players wear pads. Why can’t they practice in pads?

  7. Honestly the base punishment for deflated footballs is like 25,000 dollars and the patriots got 10X that much for a fine and a 1st round draft pick and suspended Brady so I would assume the NFL plans on docking the Ravens 2nd round pick and fine of 250,000 and suspend Harbaugh the first 2 weeks seeing as being aloud to practice before every other team is a major competitive advantage.

  8. Once a cheater, always a cheater! Just kidding, we all know this is just the sort of ticky tack equipment level garbage that Tagliabue was way too smart to shred the league over. I miss having a commissioner with an IQ over 80.

  9. ravens2014 says:

    I understand the Ravens broke the rule. But how is it against the rules to practice in pads? Football players wear pads. Why can’t they practice in pads?
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    That’s unions for you.

  10. The CBA calls for a 25000 fine for equipment violation but the when the Patriots are involved ‘We don’t need no stinkin’ CBA”

  11. I gather from the comments that Pats fans are at least finally admitting there was indeed a equipment violation. The amount of the fines was for more than just that though.

  12. abninf says:
    May 18, 2016 8:58 AM

    The put pads on their shoulders for 5 minutes, the drills were no contact, and now we’re carrying on about fining the coach 200 freaking thousands dollars. Stop the madness. I’m no fan of the Ravens but this is a classic example of why I despise unions.
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    Hey, the NFL agreed to it.

  13. Two things:

    Baltimore is a repeat offender for this type of violation, having broken these rules is a similar fashion in 2010. Consistency and logic would dictate a greater punishment than what the Seahawks received for their violation in 2014.

    Why does the punishment outlined in the CBA matter? The CBA also says Goodell can do whatever he wants. If he decides to take Baltimore’s entire 2017 draft and make Joe Flacco his butler for a month, he can do it.

  14. I gather from the comments that Pats fans are at least finally admitting there was indeed a equipment violation. The amount of the fines was for more than just that though.
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    Really? Please enlighten us what the ridiculous penalties were for. First, you have RG comparing a potential (well, less than potential because its now clear that the footballs were not manually deflated) equipment violation to the use of PEDs, which is how he was trying to justify a four game suspension.

    You have Ted Wells conclude the Pats organization and ownership were in no way involved in said infraction that never occured.

    Finally, you have the NFL’s own lawyer admitting in court he did not know how the penalty was allocated between the actual violation and “lack of cooperation”.

    So once again I ask you, what exactly were the penalties related to?

  15. jimmyt says:
    May 18, 2016 10:27 AM

    I gather from the comments that Pats fans are at least finally admitting there was indeed a equipment violation. The amount of the fines was for more than just that though.
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    No, they are just saying had there actually been an equipment violation, it didn’t warrant a 4-game suspension, and a $1,000,000 fine and loss of draft picks for the team.

    Regardless of whatever nonsense Goodell made up, there simply wasn’t any precedent for such a ridiculous punishment.

  16. jimmyt says:
    May 18, 2016 10:27 AM
    I gather from the comments that Pats fans are at least finally admitting there was indeed a equipment violation. The amount of the fines was for more than just that though.
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    But if the equipment violation was due to the environment and not human action?

    Ravens violation was based on human action of telling players to put pads on

  17. abninf says:
    May 18, 2016 9:56 AM

    ravens2014 says:

    I understand the Ravens broke the rule. But how is it against the rules to practice in pads? Football players wear pads. Why can’t they practice in pads?
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    That’s unions for you.
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    C.B.A. = Collective Bargaining AGREEMENT. You see my fellow fan this was agreed to by the collective bargaining between management and workers. I get you hate unions, why, I don’t. But both sides agreed and rules are rules. Period, end of story. Break them and pay the consequences. Both sides are well aware especially since the Seahawks got slapped just a few years ago. Arrogant Harbaugh thinks he’s above the rules or completely stupid.

  18. Re: admissions. Ask any lawyer, guard, etc. and they will tell you the incarcerated prisoner denies his guilt at all times. Completely. And, it doesn’t matter what the crime was. This may seem to be directed to the Pats’ family, but, ………

  19. I’m expecting a $1M fine, a loss of a 1 rd pick and a 4 game suspension for Harbough for being “generally aware” of an equipment violation.

    They are repeat offenders and that was Goodell’s reasoning behind NE’s team punishment (even though the Wells/Pash Report absolved them of any wrongdoing).

  20. Unlike the Patriots & framegate, there actually was a rules violation. There was no tampering with the 4 time champs.

  21. I have to wonder that these recent bringing to light infractions against multiple teams, and the delay in the NFLPA submitting the papers to appeal is about putting some pressure on recalcitrant owners to agree to a deal to eliminate Brady’s suspension.

    I hope there is some level of negotiations going on, a true telling would be an announcement that the NY Giants, and the above it all owner, Mara, have been found doing something minor but none the less against the rules. Then you know a deal would be announced.

  22. So once again I ask you, what exactly were the penalties related to?

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    according to the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals’ decision in favor of the NFL, the 4 games suspension of Brady was appropriate for the destruction of evidence he was obligated to provide.

    the confusing part of that decision, is that I could not find anywhere in the CBA that requires a player to provide personal phone and electronic communications, much less a personal device used in that communication. certainly if the NFL wanted that right then it should have been part of the CBA, in the same way that if the NFLPA wanted the right to access investigative notes and/or interview any wordsmither of an ‘independent’ investigative report they would have had that right written into the CBA. (makes me wonder if this will be part of Ted Olson’s attack of the decision…..as the cases referred to in the decision were businesses, business transactions, and business communications that were intended to be part of the discovery).

    Anyways, equally bizarre in that decision is the fact that Brady did turn over the phone and electronic communications….. which is the actual evidence Wells requested. Seems the 2nd Circuit relied on the sensationalism of Brady destroying his phone the same way Goodell did.

    nobody really knows whether Brady destroyed it or it got broken accidentally other than Brady, but this is what Brady posted on his facebook page right after Goodell upheld his appeal, and it is still posted there:

    I replaced my broken Samsung phone with a new iPhone 6 AFTER my attorneys made it clear to the NFL that my actual phone device would not be subjected to investigation under ANY circumstances. As a member of a union, I was under no obligation to set a new precedent going forward, nor was I made aware at any time during Mr. Wells investigation, that failing to subject my cell phone to investigation would result in ANY discipline.

    Most importantly, I have never written, texted, emailed to anybody at anytime, anything related to football air pressure before this issue was raised at the AFC Championship game in January. To suggest that I destroyed a phone to avoid giving the NFL information it requested is completely wrong

  23. ravens2014 says:
    May 18, 2016 9:34 AM
    I understand the Ravens broke the rule. But how is it against the rules to practice in pads? Football players wear pads. Why can’t they practice in pads?
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    Because the union said it was too hard. They focused on removing practice time and work while the league focused on pocketing as much money as possible. Both approaches have negatively effected the quality of play on the field. Most teams do not look decent until 1/4 of the season has been played because of the lack of authorized practices. I believe the early injuries are more frequent or severe as a result of this. Both sides should realize that neither benefits when the game quality diminishes but they won’t. Each side will selfishly ‘get theirs’ and blame the other when things go wrong.

  24. “bassplucker says:
    May 18, 2016 8:54 AM

    Those fines are pocket change for clubs owned by multi-billionaires. The potential loss of draft picks is by far the most effective lever the league office owns in situations like this.”
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    What? The NFL is poor! They can’t even afford goal line cameras or afford to pay cheerleaders more than $75 per game but make them buy their own outfits and expensive make up.

  25. granadafan says:
    May 18, 2016 11:51 AM

    “bassplucker says:
    May 18, 2016 8:54 AM

    Those fines are pocket change for clubs owned by multi-billionaires. The potential loss of draft picks is by far the most effective lever the league office owns in situations like this.”
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    What? The NFL is poor! They can’t even afford goal line cameras or afford to pay cheerleaders more than $75 per game but make them buy their own outfits and expensive make up.
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    Obviously 12 billion dollars doesn’t go very far. Imagine how those Senior citizens making it on $12,ooo a year do it. The NFL owners should consult with these seniors to learn how to stretch a buck.

  26. ravens2014 says:
    May 18, 2016 9:34 AM

    I understand the Ravens broke the rule. But how is it against the rules to practice in pads? Football players wear pads. Why can’t they practice in pads?
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    It’s in the CBA that they can’t wear full pads until training camp.

  27. “I miss having a commissioner with an IQ over 80”

    You’re being generous to someone who can’t pass 4th grade science.

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