Aaron Rodgers hits back at fan who questions his hard counts

AP

Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers is one of the best in the business at drawing the defense offside with a hard count and taking advantage of the free play. It’s a tactic that every quarterback employs, but Rodgers has it down to a science.

You’d think Packers fans would love that (and most surely do), but one Packers fan thinks it’s poor sportsmanship. And so that fan wrote a letter to the editor that the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel printed under the headline, “Packers’ hard counts are ruining the game.”

“I hope that this season the Packers can refrain from their unprofessional play-calling,” the letter from Richard Klatt of Big Bend, Wisconsin, began. “It strikes me almost childish. What I call the ‘stutter-count’ is so out of place in professional football.

“It’s third down and the Packers need 5 yards, so instead of digging in what does quarterback Aaron Rogers [sic] do? He does his hard or stutter count and gets an opponent to jump offside. And there is your first down. Wow, how great was that? Or better yet Rogers [sic] notices an opposing defensive player trying to get off the field and does a quick snap. Another 5 yards! Great play-calling!

“Come on Packers, I think you’re above this kind of play. Are you? Can you get those 5 yards without the tricks? You’re ruining the game of football. Are our young athletes to be coached to play the game this way? I for one hope not, but then again, they’re only kids.”

Rodgers saw the letter and took to Twitter, writing, “I read some dumb things on here from time to time but wow, Dick Klatt from Big Bend.” Rodgers included a GIF featuring the line from The Hangover, “You are literally too stupid to insult.”

Perhaps next time the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel receives a letter that stupid, the letter should go into the circular file, and not the pages of the newspaper.

176 responses to “Aaron Rodgers hits back at fan who questions his hard counts

  1. So Rodger’s response to criticism is to personally insult the guy and call him names? I’ve never been a fan of his because he’s thin skinned and comes across as an arrogant jerk with his nose stuck up in the air and this solidifies it.

  2. John Harbaugh agrees with Richard Klatt of Big Bend, Wisconsin calling the quick snaps and hard counts, “Clearly deception and something the League will have to look into.”

  3. It strikes me as “cbeap” too, but if opposing defenses aren’t disciplined enough to avoid being burnt then that’s on THEM. Its within the rules.

    What I think is “unprofessional” is whining every time you get touched and lobbying for face mask calls when they didn’t occur so as to get a free play call to win a game….

  4. Defenses are allowed to jump at the line of scrimmage to try to draw the offense into a false start. So why can’t a QB use the hard count to try to draw them off sides? Every QB does it.

  5. It’s legal to do. The other team can do it just as easily. As a player, they teach you to key off the center, not the snap count. If you are in a really loud stadium, it’s the only way you are going to know when the ball is snapped. Now, it is also legal to urge the fans to make a lot of noise when Aaron Rogers is calling his snap count. If they make enough of it, he’ll have to go to a silent count, which takes away the advantage…

  6. It’s almost as stupid as ignoring poll results if the results don’t match preconceived notions of political correctness.

  7. I have no problem with the hard count, its part of the game. What I took from this was Rodgers response. It was completely unprofessional. Is he that insecure and sensitive to criticism (from a complete stranger no less) that he took to twitter to insult the guy? Or maybe hes just so arrogant that he can’t take one person making a negative comment, he has to put that guy “in his place”. Either way, Rodgers comes off as jerk. Fans will make comments, brush it off and move on.

  8. So in Klatt’s world Rodgers is supposed to wait for a defender who was trying to jump the snap count to gather himself and return to his side of the LOS?

    Is he supposed to tell the defense, like Favre did, that the count was on 2?

    What an idiot.

    Defenses have their own responsibilities and one of those is to remain on their side of the ball until the snap. If they don’t is the defense supposed to sit back and allow the offense to gain a first down, you know, as fair play?

    And Klatt is from Big Bend? Probably a bears fan like too many SE WI residents.

  9. I’ve honestly always have thought that the “defender clearly running off the field but gets caught with one foot still in bounds at the snap” shouldn’t be penalized. With the amount of substitutions done offensively in today’s game, that’s one situation I’d like to see defenses get an exception on. It has zero bearing on the play.

  10. First, he sees ufo then he’s pissed off at a fan and calling names. Wow, what a clown Rodgers is. This is why he chokes in big games bc he lets things get in his mind, spinning his brain. Lol

  11. If a defender caught offside would just continue his unabated pass rush and sack Rodgers, I doubt Rodgers would employ the tactic as much as he does. It might cost your team a few 15yd penalties, but it would get in his head pretty quick.

  12. I have no problem with what Rodgers does, is well within the rules. I don’t understand why AR cares about what some guy writes in his letter to the editor.

  13. ‘Too stupid to insult”.

    Wow.
    Way to endure yourself to YOUR OWN FANBASE.

  14. I agree with Mr. Klatt. I find it absolutely childish, petty and pathetic. Rodgers response is even more of the same. None of which is at all surprising though.

  15. Imagine if Brady responded to every simpleton who insults him.

    There’s a reason Tom is the GOAT and Aaron keeps exciting the playoffs early.

  16. I don’t know if I’ve ever met someone who actually played sports that complains about gamesmanship. They may exist but I never met one.

  17. There are many things in this world that are legal, but still wrong. This is only one. Pass patterns designed only to draw a pass interference penalty are just as bad. I’m looking at you, 49ers…

  18. The plays are a bit cheap but the letter is dumb. Still, pretty sure every other QB in the league would have taken the high road and not insulted a fan for his opinion. That is why I can’t stand him, he’s arrogant and a jerk

    Maybe that’s why he chokes in playoffs every year. karma

  19. “So Rodger’s response to criticism is to personally insult the guy”

    Insult the guy,no way,all he did was let him know the truth about himself which is a nice thing to do when the guy makes a totally stupid statement without realizing the absurdity of it all.he is probably a Bears or Vikings fan just trying to be cute.

  20. I think the hard count is completely fine and yeah that is pretty stupid considering all 32 teams do it. Still, no need for Rodgers to be a pompous dweeb about it. That’s just who he is though.

  21. How to win friends and influence people ……………..
    INSULT THEM PERSONALLY !!!!!!!

    The mark of a real professional ! !

  22. Why would a professional athlete feed the need to engage a fan online?

    Is he that thin skinned?

  23. I would add throwing deep balls that have no chance of being caught trying to draw a flag. Green Bay has perfected the Penalty Pass, often times with their receivers using anything they can to draw contact.

  24. Every QB in the league does this but like so many other things, no one else does it as effectively as Rodgers. It’s like Cam Newton said about his dancing: “If you don’t want me to do it, then don’t let me score.”

    If you don’t want your poor, undisciplined defense penalized for jumping offsides or for being too slow and lazy to make substitutions in time, either teach them some discipline or change the rules.

  25. My only issue with any sort of rushing to the line is when an offense makes substitutions. The defense is supposed to be allowed to match the substitutions, but too often I see the refs not allowing it. This is most common with GB and NE. I have sympathy for when a defense tries to sub while the offense isn’t. That’s on the coaches. But man do I get irritated when I see a TE and fullback run off for a pair of wideouts, and then they hurry to the line to “catch” the defense making subs to match, resulting in a penalty. Sometimes the refs catch it, sometimes they don’t, but that’s the only time I think a team gets something they shouldn’t.

  26. Offensive players can’t move during pre snap but on defense these guys can move any where they want. Now this clown complains about hard counts?? Sounds like a Vikings fan.

  27. It’s not that AR is thin skinned – it’s that he’s rather intelligent with a dry sense of humor. Very dry.

    Often that combo leads to a very low tolerance for BS and it can come across as abrasive or thin skinned.

    Sarcasm doesn’t come across well in the twitterverse either.

  28. I question the PSI levels of the game balls he uses. The NFL doesn’t even though he admits to trying to slip balls in not within regulations, but I do.

  29. Living in Wisconsin, I used to be a Rogers fan, but the guy is such an arrogant d-bag. Its great he wins, but there isn’t a need to go at one of your fans like that, if you don’t like their insignificant opinion, just ignore it.

  30. I’m a Viking fan and I see nothing wrong with what Rodgers does. It’s part of the game and if the defenses can’t stay disciplined then shame on them. As for Rodgers’ response I do have an issue with calling one of his fans stupid. Not professional at all. I agree with another poster above about the refs falling for whining with facemask amongst other things when the didn’t happen. However that is also part of the game and if he gets away with it then so be it. I blame the refs for allowing that to continue when other QBs actually get facemask es every game and they never call it.

    Rodgers should keep doing what he’s doing as long as it works for him and the team. Blame the defenses and refs for falling for it. But Rodgers should try to refrain from name calling one of his own fans simply because they have an opinion.

  31. Rodgers can’t handle criticism very well. No reason to go after Mr. Klatt and insult him. Show some class, Aaron.

  32. Vikings fan here. No problem with it. Be disciplined on defense and you don’t have to worry about it. I have a bigger problem with the fact that he responded. Don’t push away your fan base no matter how stupid and drunk they are

  33. Who wouldn’t be foolish enough not to use the rules of the game to your advantage? It’s the same thing as when a defensive player rushes up to the line of scrimmage to show blitz, or try to draw the offensive lineman offsides. It’s part of the game – get real!

  34. Great idea, Aaron! Publicly insult your fans!

    There has been a not-so-secret floating around the NFL for years
    that Mr. Rodgers is arrogant & cannot accept any criticism
    It’s a big reason why the 49ers passed on him & selected Alex Smith

    Now obviously in hindsight, they made a mistake
    But times like this, the thin-skinned A-Rod should have just let it go

    As Coach Herm Edwards always says….Don’t press send!
    You stay classy, Aaron!

  35. “Et tu Brute…”

    While it’s easy to explain & side with Richard on ShAaaron’s bad habits; I would rather point out that a person wrote their opinion to a media outlet about a player on their favorite team. However, ShAaron had taken offense because barking for 5 yrds is the bread/butter of his long term plans before his hail-mary’s begin to fall short.

  36. I don’t mind the hard counts or trying to catch the defense with 12 men on the field. That’s part of the game. What I do mind is the free play the ensues. If the defense jumps offsides, the whistle should blow and the offense is awarded 5 yards. It should be a dead ball foul and not an opportunity to throw it 60 yards downfield knowing nothing bad can happen.

  37. The Fans have been numbed by the constant rule-bending employed by the Patriots* for years. Fair play and good sportsmanship went out the window forever when Kraft purchased that team, and the sheeple don’t care.

  38. The anti Rodgers comments proves 1 thing Jealousy! The guy will be going to Canton. Rodgers has 3 MVPs yea 3!! (2 league and 1 SB) An article critical of Rodgers, really??

  39. mmack66 says:
    May 21, 2016 8:39 AM
    Sometimes I wonder how many of you people are actually football fans.

    Amen brother.

    Again, there is no such thing as BENDING rules. Broken or not, Those are the only 2 states in which a rule exists. Rolling slowly through a stop sign is not bending a rule, it’s BREAKING it. Going 66 in a 65mph zone is BREAKING, not bending a rule. But you are only penalized when caught, just like football.

    Anyone who uses the term BENDING a rule self identifies as a crybaby.

  40. The better criticism from that fan should been:
    “How did you start 6-0 & finish 4-6?”
    “How did you lose all 3 home games to divisional opponents?”
    “Did you know you needed that Hail Mary vs. Detroit to avoid being
    swept by the Lions for the first time in 24 years?”

    “Why did you guys blow ANOTHER 4th quarter lead in the playoffs & lose ANOTHER chance to go to the Super Bowl?”
    “Did you know you have as many Super Bowl wins as Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler, Joe Flacco, Jim McMahon ?”

    Well….on 2nd thought, Aaron would have publicly whined & shamed the fan for doing that too!

  41. Perhaps to satisfy the very sensitive fans we should amend the rules of football thusly,

    Each team will provide a script of plays and players they will use for an entire game. Juking or quickly changing direction will no longer be allowed. You must run your pass route in a predetermined manner with variation. All snaps will be on 2. Bootlegs, play action, reverses, double passes, using d linemen as RBs (fridge), halfback option plays all now verboten. Onside kicks are also now illegal.

  42. I have no issue with Rodgers doing this. The problem I have is when the offense responds to the defense moving and then the ball is snapped and Rodgers still gets a free play. If the defense jumps offsides and then an offensive player responds to that motion before the ball is snapped the play is dead. Too many times the refs have let the play continue and Rodgers gets a free play when he shouldn’t.

  43. imodan says:
    May 21, 2016 9:13 AM

    I question the PSI levels of the game balls he uses. The NFL doesn’t even though he admits to trying to slip balls in not within regulations, but I do.
    ——————————-

    The NFL didn’t said they didn’t want to overreact, which, in light of the year-and-a-half long deflategate fraud, is one of the most ludicrous statements ever uttered.

  44. When a quarterback, any quarterback, does that to my team I don’t get mad at him, I get mad at my team’s defense for jumping offsides. They’re supposed to be using their eyes, not their ears to get off the line. It’s not rocket science. Sight is faster than hearing anyway.

    As for Rodgers reply. I like it. Too many people think freedom to talk like an idiot also means freedom from retort when you do so. It doesn’t. In fact, I’d question Rodgers if he didn’t reply to the moron.

  45. Business as usual. You never see Bear fans or Lion fans crying about this. Like so many other things, you only see the purples crying about it; and as usual, they seem to think if they cry about it long enough and loud enough, someone may actually come to care… but we won’t.

  46. vikingjack, Critical??? You guys missed FG shorter than an extra point to win a rare playoff game! ZERO SB wins and No need for a trophy cabinet hahahahaha!

  47. It’s this kind of talent and discipline that has the Packers on top of the division year after year – consistently advancing further than any NFC North team for over half a decade.

  48. I guess base runners should stop leading off and faking a break from first to second base, thereby perhaps influencing a balk or maybe throwing off the pitcher’s rhythm. Stop it. It’s not fair to the less talented.

  49. I think his hard count was the reason for two or three of our early season wins last year. Keep it up!

  50. Aaron should learn to not let this stuff get to him.

    And if he can’t help it, at least don’t show it.

    There’s nothing wrong with the fan’s point of view. It can be debated in an adult manner.

  51. The better criticism from that fan should been:
    “How did you start 6-0 & finish 4-6?”
    “How did you lose all 3 home games to divisional opponents?”
    “Did you know you needed that Hail Mary vs. Detroit to avoid being
    swept by the Lions for the first time in 24 years?”

    “Why did you guys blow ANOTHER 4th quarter lead in the playoffs & lose ANOTHER chance to go to the Super Bowl?”
    “Did you know you have as many Super Bowl wins as Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler, Joe Flacco, Jim McMahon ?”

    Well….on 2nd thought, Aaron would have publicly whined & shamed the fan for doing that too!
    ————————————————————-
    Where are the names of the Vikings QB’s that won a Superbowl? At least he won one.

  52. Fair play and good sportsmanship went out the window forever when Kraft purchased that team

    Shanahan is, in this article, proven to have lied either in the past or the present, depending which version you believe.

    Give me one instance of Belichick doing that.

  53. Yeah, Rodgers can’t handle criticism……people seem to have forgotten how terribly the pro-Favre Packers fans treated him back in the summer of 2008.

  54. It’s not so much that his hard count is cheap, everyone does that, it’s that it’s illegal. He’s just allowed to simulate the snap for some reason while other QBs are not. Watch replays, his head bobs and his shoulders flinch. That’s against the rules. Other teams get flagged for it.

  55. Wow, there are some sore losers on this post. Yes, Aaron probably should have kept quiet – but personally, I don’t have a problem insulting this dude. Charles Barkley would have done the same thing and we’d laugh with him. It’s the anti-Packers obsession – and it’s so obvious.

    Q: Who are MN fans’ favorite team?
    A: Vikings and whoever is playing the Packers.

    Q: Who are GB fans’ favorite team?
    A: The Packers. And that’s it (we don’t obsess with your team – it’s not worth it)

  56. What Packer fan would spell Rodgers’ name wrong? Unless he’s not a Packer fan, or he really is that stupid.

  57. nhpats says:
    May 21, 2016 7:09 AM
    Bending the rules for an advantage…… Cheaters.

    _________________________________________

    Please don’t talk about Tom Brady that way.

  58. It’s not Rogers hard counts that I have a problem with. It’s the sudden jerking movement of the center in shotgun formation that I think is unsportsmanlike. The center stays completely motionless and then jerks quickly left and right trying to get the defense to jump off side. You’re allowed to do this if you’re calling out signals but he’s never calling out signals. And yeah, Rogers headbobs a lot

  59. I think the hard count is a great part of the game. It is a matter of discipline and knowing the situation. I used it many many times and was successful at drawing my own team offside as often as the defense. Concentration is as much a part of the game as anything else……I saw a guy in a baseball game get fooled into sliding into second by a shortstop who didn’t even have the ball. The ball was rolling into the gap in left center and the runner should have scored…. instead he was stranded at second. That’s a great play in my opinion.

  60. I just wish they’d stop making fouls in basketball a strategic advantage. That way may the last 1:15 of any NBA game doesn’t take a half freaking hour anymore.

    Also, while I agree that was the stupidest sports-related letter I’ve ever read, Rodgers should’ve either ignored it or been more clever in his reply. His tweet comes off as amateurish or high schoolish.

  61. Mr. Klatt’s point was SPORTSMANSHIP not gamesmanship or opportunistic intelligence or using loopholes to your advantage. If taken just for the point of sportsmanship, then yeah, Mr. Klatt is right. Another point was that he wants his team, or any team, to win based on having superior football skill – not voice inflection, flopping, feigning, throwing deep to incite a PI, deflating a football or anything else that some here are calling gamesmanship.

  62. Hard counts are fine, but not significant head bobs. Those just need to be called.
    ———-
    I agree. I’m also glad that Rodgers doesn’t do that. They talk about it on the broadcasts from time to time that it’s amazing he’s able to do that without the head bob and get it to work.

    But if you know the back story, it’s something practices and works hard at in the off season.

  63. lukeshow says:
    May 21, 2016 10:23 AM
    It’s not so much that his hard count is cheap, everyone does that, it’s that it’s illegal. He’s just allowed to simulate the snap for some reason while other QBs are not. Watch replays, his head bobs and his shoulders flinch. That’s against the rules. Other teams get flagged for it.

    Please, stop. Manning has made a career out of this tactic.

  64. Anything post-snap is free game. A free play could only be dictated by an undisciplined defense. So what this guy is saying, is to reward the defense a chance at getting a stop when they are fundamentally screwing up the play to begin with?

    What does that teach our kids? “It’s okay to jump offsides son. Though it’s your fault to fall for their tactics, you are going to be rewarded anyway by making them earn yards, even though it was your fault this happened in the first place.”

    All you fans in here who agree, I don’t want to hear any cheers when a defensive player is caught in a defensive pass interference penalty 60 yards down field where the offense is rewarded those yards. I want to hear boos, because you know, you didn’t earn it.

  65. Bending the rules for an advantage…… Cheaters

    Pot or kettle. Seriously do you ever shut up? No you don’t and you sound stupid every time you make a post.

  66. Aaron is not above being cheap. He is below cheap. Or at least even with cheap. No, I think he’s below cheap. Yes, that’s it. Cheap is above Aaron. Cheap as the sagging Leo Frigo Memorial Bridge. We will remember that every time we see that bridge, and every time we hear of that cheap Leo Frigo Memorial Bridge and cheap Aaron Rodgers.

  67. Aaron has been in Wisconsin enough to know his fan base is stupid.

  68. We Packers fans love watching our Packers ruining the game.

  69. Those hollow yards are no worse than what you see on Day street.

  70. Lol all of your quarterbacks do it too. Don’t hate on Rodgers just because he’s not your QB. You’re a bunch of hypocrites to hate, but you’re celebrating when your guy does it. It’s legal, it’s in the rulebook, deal with it!

  71. Dick Klatt from Big Bend plays video games. Aaron doesn’t like that. Dick Klatt from Big Bend isn’t brain-washed. Aaron doesn’t like that, either.

  72. ITT: People who dont know the difference between False Starts, Off Sides, Unabated to the Quarterback, Neutral Zone Infractions and generally the rules of the game.

  73. We know Green Bay isn’t good enough to win honestly. With real plays.

  74. Aaron does headbob a lot. He learned it from Neal and Bob. He practices it often.

  75. OK so your defence isn’t disciplined enough to wait for the snap and that makes Rodgers a cheat? HA that’s funny….Haters are going to hate. Just remember the more haters you have the bigger success you are! Looks like Rodgers is pretty successful lol

  76. cribbage12 says:
    May 21, 2016 10:27 AM

    Q: Who are GB fans’ favorite team?
    A: The Packers. And that’s it (we don’t obsess with your team – it’s not worth it)

    ÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷=

    Yet another delusional Packer fan who thinks he is better than every other fan base. Packer trolls are constantly flooding Viking threads with their same old tired lines, but they are are not obsessed with the Vikings. Yeah, right.

  77. Since Rings Determine GOAT, then Bart Starr is the GOAT!!!! says:
    May 21, 2016 10:54 AM

    Bending the rules for an advantage…… Cheaters.
    ———-
    What rules are bent? You act like the hard count is illegal. Just because he’s the best at something every QB tries to do doesn’t mean any rules are being bent.
    ——————————————————–
    Well, there IS this quote from one Mr. Rodgers:

    “I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it.”

    Ya, you’re right, that isn’t bending….it’s breaking. That said this hard count thing is ridiculous.

  78. Didn’t he mention something last year that he also has tried to alter footballs? So the guy’s a cheat too?

  79. And this is why Rodgers is one of my favorite players. His smack is legendary and i love when he smacks stupid idiots like this clown.

    Its amazing its always the ones that never played sports in their lives past Little League or Pee Wee football that have no clue about sports and competition.

    Maybe the defense should learn not to jump offsides. So criticiz Rodgers because he is good at what he does and is smart.

    Great job stupid fan.

  80. Wisconsin’s Favorite Son Jeffrey Be Dahmed says:

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    What’s really offensive and an insult is your user name.

  81. Didn’t he mention something last year that he also has tried to alter footballs? So the guy’s a cheat too?
    ————-
    No. Actually he didn’t. He said that he has them inflated at the high end of the range or a little bit over to account for the air that they let out when the refs test the footballs. Every ball used has been tested and vetted by the refs.

    That is completely different than having the footballs tested by the refs and then alter them afterwards before or during the game.

    On top of all that the higher the PSI, the harder it is to grip the football, so there is no real advantage like there is when you make it easier to grip by deflating.

  82. “I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it.”

    Ya, you’re right, that isn’t bending….it’s breaking. That said this hard count thing is ridiculous.
    —————————
    Are you really this dense? That is NOT breaking any rules at all. The refs are allowed to do their job and inspect the balls and do whatever they need to do to be within the range. It’s the equivalent of the inspection of a race car before a race. If the car is not in spec, it has to be in spec before they can be in the race.

    That is COMPLETELY different than Brady who had the footballs altered AFTER the refs inspect the footballs and before the game starts.

    It’s pretty sad that you cannot see the difference.

  83. You can submit balls that are flat as a pancake or pumped up like a watermelon for the refs to inspect before the game. There is no rule against that.

    But they WILL make sure that the balls are brought into the proper range before they certify them to be used in the game

  84. countmahdrof says:
    May 21, 2016 9:37 AM
    The Fans have been numbed by the constant rule-bending employed by the Patriots* for years. Fair play and good sportsmanship went out the window forever when Kraft purchased that team, and the sheeple don’t care.

    Yeah, the Pats invented “rule bending” which does not actually exist except in the minds of the jealous.

    Folks love to talk about Pats but want to forget that Dallas fans hated SF & Redskins, Giants fans hated Dallas on so on. None of those teams of the “glory days” were lily white kiddies. But if it helps you sleep to think Johnny U was a nice guy that’s fine but anyone who knew him personally knew he was not a very nice guy and would take whatever steps were needed to win. But of course that was prior to the “participation trophy” generation.

  85. Forget the “Hard Count” from Rodgers, what about the “Hard Words”? Heck, if I was QB, I’d probably be using Hard Counts on every snap…..

  86. My issue is that he often snaps the ball after the play clock reaches zero….yet the refs rarely call him for delay of game.

  87. Yeah, the Pats invented “rule bending” which does not actually exist except in the minds of the jealous.
    ————–
    Nope. They invented “rule breaking”. How else do you explain Spygate? They were even given a warning to stop breaking the rules and then continued to do it anyways.

  88. Are you people serious?? this is a player understanding and taking advantage of the rules, all QBs try to do it AR just does it better. Want it to stop, defensive players need to stop jumping at a voice when they should be watching the ball. 12 man on the field, get your sub packages right and make sure your players know them.

  89. SKOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!! says:
    May 21, 2016 12:45 PM
    Yeah, the Pats invented “rule bending” which does not actually exist except in the minds of the jealous.
    ————–
    Nope. They invented “rule breaking”. How else do you explain Spygate? They were even given a warning to stop breaking the rules and then continued to do it anyways.

    Clearly explaining the details of “spygate” as well as the history of other teams employing the exact same process with impunity and immunity would be an exercise in futility. It’s been done to death yet some persist in believing their fantasy version.

  90. don’t worry Rodgers it was probably Teddy Bridgewater writing the letter to the editor .. He/She is just bitter because her voice doesn’t go low enough to draw a hard count plus you have to be able to throw the ball to make the defense jump offside which she cant

  91. May 21, 2016 12:04 PM
    Didn’t he mention something last year that he also has tried to alter footballs? So the guy’s a cheat too?
    ————-
    No. Actually he didn’t. He said that he has them inflated at the high end of the range or a little bit over to account for the air that they let out when the refs test the footballs. Every ball used has been tested and vetted by the refs.

    That is completely different than having the footballs tested by the refs and then alter them afterwards before or during the game.

    On top of all that the higher the PSI, the harder it is to grip the football, so there is no real advantage like there is when you make it easier to grip by deflating.

    So we’re going to jump right over the fact that an overinflated ball will travel farther, faster and more accurately than one less inflated?

    If you’re going to try doing science, study a bit first.

  92. Richard Klatt: “Gamesmanship” is as much a part of the mental game (of football) as knowing the rules, and avoiding penalties.

    Come on, man!

    Aaron Rodgers: If any response at all was warranted (after all, you too are only human), perhaps a simple explanation (like the one above) might have been preferable to torching the mouthy guy in the cheap seats.

    Come on, man!

    Hard counts are not cheating. Pointing out penalties that actually happen is not cheating. Lying (whining) about penalties that don’t happen is cheating.

  93. Usually hard counts are something all QB’s do. Most QB’s also listen to the whistle and see the obvious off-sides and the play is deemed dead.

    I have literally seen players on both teams stop after an obvious off-sides where flags litter the field and whistles are blaring, only to see a 50 yard bomb 5 plus seconds after everyone in the stadium and watching on TV knows the play should be dead. If it’s not obvious I have no problem with it.

  94. I have literally seen players on both teams stop after an obvious off-sides where flags litter the field and whistles are blaring,
    ————-
    No you haven’t. You’ve seen flags being thrown, but the play isn’t dead unless the whistle blows. Just because the D-lineman is too stupid to continue to play to the whistle does not make it the problem of the team that drew them offsides.

    If the whistle was being blown, the play would not count. It’s really not that hard to understand that.

  95. Big deal. Hard counts are part of the game, the gamesmanship of football. All QBs employ this trick. What’s disturbing is Rodgers public response tweeted out to millions. Very classless.

  96. How Funny is it that the face of the Packer franchise is calling it’s own fans stupid on Twitter? You go Rodgers! You just could not let this slide by without taking a personal shot at a fan of your team. ✔

  97. cheeseisfattening says:
    May 21, 2016 3:34 PM

    How Funny is it that the face of the Packer franchise is calling it’s own fans stupid on Twitter? You go Rodgers! You just could not let this slide by without taking a personal shot at a fan of your team. ✔
    —————————–

    He called a Bears fan stupid, which is more than appropriate.

    No Packers fan is going to call out Rodgers for something so ridiculous.

  98. SKOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!! says:
    May 21, 2016 4:11 PM
    Idiots should be called out. Especially when they are completely clueless. The world would be a better place.

    ——
    We don’t need to call you out. Your posts do it for us. NFC North Division Champion Vikings fan.

  99. darkneptune73 says:
    May 21, 2016 10:55 AM
    Packer fans are really that dense, trolls, Rodgers, and everyone in Wisconsin.
    ////////////////////////////////////

    Huh. Your opinion is in direct contrast to a poll taken of active NFL players a few years back that determined they felt Packers fans were the most knowledgeable about pro football of any fans of any other team.

    How would you explain your opinion in the face of such a contrast? Is the problem perhaps you, and not Packer fans?

  100. mburkett1980 says:
    May 21, 2016 8:03 AM
    I’ve honestly always have thought that the “defender clearly running off the field but gets caught with one foot still in bounds at the snap” shouldn’t be penalized. With the amount of substitutions done offensively in today’s game, that’s one situation I’d like to see defenses get an exception on. It has zero bearing on the play.

    57 49

    The only game with more frequent substitutions is hockey and in that game there is some leeway of too many on the ice, they only call a penalty if the sub touches the puck before the other player is off the ice.

    The hockey situation is way different than football though, in football, the subs take place at a stoppage in play and there is no excuse for not hustling off the field. When teams play Rodgers, they better have their subs packages prepared and they better hustle off the field. There is no rule against playing too fast in football nor should there be. There is also no reason to create another gray area in the rules, the sideline is the sideline, got off the field.

  101. We don’t need to call you out. Your posts do it for us. NFC North Division Champion Vikings fan.
    ——————
    Nothing warms my heart more than seeing a Vikings fan who only has an NFC North Championship to hang their hat on. In Minnesota those trophies go in the trophy case. In Green Bay, the 4 they won over the last 5 years are down in the basement collecting dust.

  102. So let’s take a quick poll of Packer fans and Bear fans:

    Did ANY of today’s purple whining and crying make the Vikings any more relevant to you? Since I don’t want to put anybody under the pressure I’ll go first…

    “No, NONE of today’s purple whining and crying made the Vikings any more relevant to me.”

  103. People here calling Rodgers classless are the same ones that were joking about His injuries and his teammate’s injuries.

    Same people that have spent how many years defending Adrian Peterson’s parenting.

  104. vikingjack73 says:
    May 21, 2016 9:45 AM
    The better criticism from viking fans should been:
    “how does my team exist for 40+ years and have less championships then the Saints and Seahawks?! LOL!”

  105. axespray says:
    May 21, 2016 5:40 PM
    People here calling Rodgers classless are the same ones that were joking about His injuries and his teammate’s injuries.

    Same people that have spent how many years defending Adrian Peterson’s parenting.
    —————-
    If you are referring to me, I called Rodgers Twitter response classless, not the man himself. And I would never in a million years wish injury on anyone. I want my Purple to sack, intercept, and beat Rodgers at his full strength. That’s the only way it counts. Furthermore, I would never condone what AP did to his little son, but the man paid his dues and sought help and I’m all in favor of second chances as no one is perfect, including you.

  106. Nobody would be in favor of Peterson getting a second chance, unless he had the potential to help the team.

    That’s why Ray Rice is still unemployed. Let’s stop pretending with the paid his dues stuff. If it was Corduroy Patterson even Vikings fans would be clamoring for him to be cut.

  107. @SKOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!! Of course YOU don’t want AP getting a second chance because he’s the top RB in the NFL and that’s a threat to your team, a team by the way, that has a history of problems stopping this RB. Your paranoia and obsession with the Vikings is showing, glaringly. I’d stop while I’m ahead.

  108. I think it’s hilarious that the Barney fans are furious again at Aaron Rodgers, this time for just putting a disgruntled Bear fan in their place.

    While still pledging their souls and undying devotion to an ego driven child abuser, in the hopes he can carry their rabble filled roster to 8 or 9 wins next season.

    Hilarious!
    skoLOL!!!

  109. I expect Mr. Klatt will get a visit from Packers Director of Player Engagement and Media Harrassment, Rob Davis. We all know how much he doesn’t know or doesn’t want to know about anything negative showing up in the papers regarding the Packers.

    In all seriousness, he could have chosen any number of arguments to make about Rodgers’ history of poor sportsmanship….his soccer style dives when breathed upon, his incessant bargaining to the refs for penalties, his tablet tossing tantrums….he’s too good of a player to have to resort to that when things don’t go his way. The hard count was easily the wrong fight to pick.

  110. If Aaron Rodgers beat a 4 year old boy, the Barney fans would be clamoring for him to never be allowed in the NFL.

    Fact. Period.

    Child beaters are the 2nd lowest form of scum, one step against child [fill in the blank]. There’s a reason why they always end up getting targeted in prison.

  111. Aaron Rodgers is statistically speaking one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the position.
    Having said that ( hopefully appeasing Packer Fans) I would have to say that watching a Joe Buck-called NFL game can be kinda groanful to watch. Buck sucks up, and Rodgers plays cheap, wussified football.
    The reason the Packers were in the postseason in 2015 is because Rodgers FLOPPED, ( yes, I said flopped) on a facemask call to officials who were not in position to judge the “infraction” when time had expired with the Packers losing that game, which would have put the Lions in the playoffs ( along with Caldwell’s non-defending the Hail Mary).
    Aaron flops on a LOT of calls. The Packers’ most effective offensive play over the last 3 years has been the old “hard-count bomb”, thrown on the free play that results from the resulting offside jump. He whines each time he throws a pick when the expected call is not made. This is the height of “working the officials”, and although not at all illegal, it is viewed by people who love good football as “cheap”.
    Aaron also comes equipped for this sort of thing. Indeed, since he is one of the few players in the league who wear the two-point chinstrap. Having had several concussions now, this is clearly not a safety move, and one wouldnt assume that since his “concussion count” is ticking, that comfort would be a reasonable rationale for such a lack of helmet security. If you watch that “facemask” call in the Lions game at Ford Field this past season, you will see him pushing his chinstrap askew and shaking his helmeted head violently, right before begging for that facemask call. You CAN brush the mask, but you cant grab it to change the direction of the helmet, and AR made it appear has though he had. A four-point chinstrap would have made this all but impossible ( I’m sure he’s tried it).
    Aaron Rodgers plays cheap football. The New England Patriots have been chided for years for stuff like this. They have been known for running several players from the wrong special team out to dupe the opponent into momentary confusion, then quickly snapping the ball resulting in a too-many-players penalty for a first down, lining up in formations that make no sense and haven’t been seen on a football field since the 1930’s, and weird stuff like that, in addition to the espionage for which they have been fined and or warned.
    The Gregg Williams-coached New Orleans Saints were directed by this piece of crap to target specific players, somtimes with injuries to inflict specific injuries upon their bodies, and this seems to be continuing now that he is again coachng in the NFL for the (now) LA Rams.
    This kind of stuff will benefit the player in games, for sure. It will even win the occasional game, given the right situation.
    The only thing that stops most players and teams from doing stuff like this is ….well…PERSONAL DIGNITY AND RESPECT FOR THE GAME OF FOOTBALL.
    Your choice, players!

  112. Hard counts have been a part of the game since I can remember. Only now, after we come across a high profile QB that has practically mastered the skill do we start to have negative opinions of it… how convenient. Listen kids, this might be a good learning experience for you… people tend to bias their opinions against established players in the league… their game play is scrutinized on a different level and even unfairly to double standards. Take for instance, a hard count by any other QB. No problem, right? Football is a game of discipline. Rodgers is doing nothing more than exposing the lack of discipline on opposing teams, and demonstrating the discipline his own team has for not false starting. It’s an unappreciated element of the game that people don’t want to recognize when it’s not in their favor. Bottom line… you would have no problem with it if you’re QB did it, but that goes against your agenda, right?

  113. josephec says:
    May 22, 2016 2:08 PM
    Aaron Rodgers is statistically speaking one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the position………..
    ///////////////////////////////

    You should’ve stopped right there. The rest of it sounds over-thought, misplaced, and self-serving. Kinda loser-ish.

    Plus, it took so long to read I head-bobbed myself right out of my chair.

  114. The reason the Packers were in the postseason in 2015 is because Rodgers FLOPPED, ( yes, I said flopped)
    ———–
    This could be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. You can’t flop on a facemask call. He gets hit in the facemask and then ripped down by the jersey. I cannot believe you call that a flop. Was he tackled by the facemask? No. Was his facemask touched? Yes. You cannot touch the QB in the helmet or facemask at all. So it is still a penalty.

  115. He whines each time he throws a pick when the expected call is not made.
    ————–
    Why wouldn’t you be upset when the guy is clearly offsides and it isn’t called? Michael Bennett in the NFCCG was so offsides it was inconceivable that the refs didn’t call it. I’m sorry you’re a Lions fan. It has to be tough. But use some common sense and open up your eyes.

    PS. Flacco wears the same chinstrap, Warner, Favre, just to name a few. And an extra strap up high on the helmet does NOTHING to prevent the chinstrap from moving up the face. Use some sense.

  116. People who look to Crucify Rodgers, whether its him “Not signing Autographs for someone” commenting on certain fans behaviors or actions. Love this.

    As if they would be more than happy to take critique from others who have NEVER walked in their shoes, trying to tell THEM the “Right Way” to do their job in a Newspaper or Social Media.

  117. Yeah probably a Bears or Vikings fan cuz yeah everybody knows Packer fans are highly intelligent. Even their own QB insults a possible one

  118. I’m not sure which is worse:

    -The fan’s rather naive opinion.

    or

    -Rodger’s being so thin skinned that he takes the time to insult the guy.

    Was the latter really necessary? There’s a million different opinions on football and a million different levels of football knowledge. Perhaps a naive statement doesn’t merit the wrath of a rich, beloved underachiever.

  119. You guys fell for it again. Rodgers knows this guy “Dick Klatt” is not a Packers fans and this letter was a joke – what Packers fan doesn’t know how to spell Rodgers? So Rodgers went with it and roasted this “fan”. Some of you are so dumb as to think that this letter was actually real or that Rodgers’ comments were serious.

  120. @Dontcry: Actually, the fact that it was misspelled is quite damning evidence that he is a Packer fan.

    Hard counts are one thing, pre-snap movement is another and he gets away with more than most with that. But most of us don’t take issue with that. The fact he’s so insecure he has to call out a random fan over stating a semi-reasonable opinion speaks volumes about his character.

    Besides, if he was to insult every fan with bad opinions, every Packer troll would have been lambasted a hundred times over by now.

  121. Elway used to do it all the time during his playing days. It’s called strategy. The best way for the defense not to jump offsides is to watch the ball.

  122. I think the point that has been missed his that Rodgers’ hard counts are illegal. He is always head bobbing and moving in order to facilitate the offsides. Brady used to do the same in 2002 when they had a crappy offense.

  123. The hard count is not simple to pull off, and it does not require “illegal head-bobbing and movement.” Whew.

    This is an excerpt of an in-depth examination of the device:

    “Of course, the credit on these hard counts doesn’t just go to Rodgers — Rodgers needs perfect communication with Linsley, and the rest of the line needs to know not to bite. They can’t buy into the hard count and accidentally false start. And while offensive linemen are often trained to immediately react to a offsides rusher to ensure the penalty call, Green Bay’s players have to stay still to preserve the possibility of the free play. They’ve done their job: none of the eight offsides calls against Green Bay’s opponents have resulted in the play being blown dead before the snap, so each one has resulted in a free play for Rodgers.”

    Get it now?

  124. All the D-Line has to do is WATCH THE BALL.. Its not that difficult…

  125. You’re all assuming this Richard Klatt is a Packers fan, and not one of the multitude of Vikings fans living in Wisconsin.

  126. The problem with Rodgers use of the hard count is that it isn’t just a hard count. He bobs his shoulders and head, and stutter steps with his left foot.

    That is definition false start. McNabb got called twice for rushing to the line of scrimmage as an attempt to “attempt to draw the defense offsides”. What Rodgers does is no different. Im not saying every time…but every time he barks out a fake hike and bobs his body and moves his feet, its a penalty. Ive never seen it called, and it should be.

  127. “Graham Harrell spent three seasons as a quarterback with Rodgers in Green Bay, and during that time he marveled at how Rodgers did not move, or scream, while doing the hard count — he did not try to oversell it.”

    Rodgers does NOT move, he does NOT stutter-step, he does NOT bob and weave.

    That’s why he is so good at it. The defenders are NOT being drawn off by anything but his voice.

    Try watching and learning before spouting nonsense and assumptions.

  128. hahaha. cry me a river. we don’t care if you don’t like Rodgers. he’s still better than any qb in North and has been since 2010. fact. you will all lose to him again.

  129. As a site like PFT proves everyday, the average person, and sometimes the writers, can say some pretty dumb things.

    Rodgers is high on field awareness and does these legal snap count maneuvers as part of the game. Sometimes it’s cheap, but it is allowed. You need to be very aware of this playing him.

    But, Rodgers is an absolute jerk for how he acts toward the fan here. But like complaining about the rules he takes advantage of, calling Rodgers out is a waste of time too. He has always been a petulant little punk, and that is who Rodgers is. It started with the draft, when he sulked because he was passed over again and again. I am not saying he’s not good, but I sense this attitude came out in interviews before he was drafted, hence his slide. He’s not likable.

    Next time I feel bad for him because his line sucks and he is getting his a$$ kicked remind me to stop.

  130. The hard count is done by all the NFL teams, it’s a tool in the box with many others. You whiners hate him because he’s one of the best to ever play the position. I live in Cleveland and would pay him whatever he wants to QB our Browns.

  131. Fun Fact. correct* as of last year 15-16 season

    NFL record most playoff appearances

    New York Giants……………… 32
    Green Bay Packers…………….. 31
    Dallas Cowboys …………………31
    Pittsburgh Steelers ……………29
    Minnesota Vikings …………….28
    Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts …………27
    Cleveland/St. Louis/Los Angeles Rams………. 27
    San Francisco 49ers……………. 25

    thing to keep in mind is they started doing the playoffs back in 33′ but expanded in 67′

    the packers orginazation was founded in 1919′ so they been around for it all

    the giants were in 1925 so they been around for it all

    cowboys in 1960

    steelers in 1933

    and lastly the vikings were founded in 1960

    Meaning of all this? packers haters like to hate on us for losing alot of playoff games but in 54 seasons in the league we have made the playoffs 28 times. thats 51.8% the time or a little more then 1/2 the time

    Packers on the other hand have been in for (well since the start but for the sake of argument lets say the playoffs started in 1932) 83 seasons and have made the playoffs only 31 times which is only 37,3% or 1/3 the time and only 3 times more then us with 29 more seasons ( for this arguement ) played…

    in conclussion we (the vikings.. SKOL!!) actually have been making it to the playoffs at a very higher % then the packers over seasons played: playoffs appeared ratio

    * — yes some of my facts maybe slightly off due to disputed games in the 1920s and such but TBH do they really matter?

  132. People can throw hate at AR but Vikings fans wish they have him over Teddy 100 yards a game. He responded because the fan doesn’t know the game. If he can get someone on the hard count then its part of the game. It’s in the rules. If this slows down rush and pro longs his career so be it. I’m upset that the local paper would even print that from the fan. Packers fan he is not!! Vikings are like the State Farm commercial ” I lose my rings. ” Mama, doesn’t have no rings!!

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