Rex Ryan claims Jets tried to trade for Odell Beckham when he was dealing with hamstring issue

AP

It’s been a bad week for the Buffalo Bills, bad enough to get SI.com to send Don Banks to Western New York with questions about the rash of adversity.

Along the way, Bills coach Rex Ryan blurted out something that seems a little far-fetched on its face — and could be a borderline violation of the tampering rules.

“Has he missed a little time?” Ryan said regarding the notion that 2014 first-round wideout Sammy Watkins is injury prone. “Yeah. Big deal. He and everyone else. [Odell] Beckham kid came out the same year, and he missed how many games with a hamstring issue? Believe me, I was trying to trade for him [with the Jets] when he had the hamstring. I was reading the [New York] papers, and I was like, ‘Well, hell, we’ll take him.'”

Beckham missed four regular-season games to start his career, but then racked up 1,305 receiving yards and 12 touchdowns in only 12 games. Still, Beckham’s lack of availability prompted comments of concern from former Giants coach Tom Coughlin. Those remarks likely caught Ryan’s ear.

By 2014, however, Ryan’s wings had been clipped, with G.M. John Idzik firmly in charge of the roster and Rex coaching whomever Idzik gave him. Moreover, the fact that no word of a potential trade of Beckham was leaked to the ever-swarming New York media suggests that there was no effort to pull off a cross-town swap — especially since news of a desire by the Jets to trade into the top 10 to select Beckham made its way to the media before the draft.

Meanwhile, it’s hard not to wonder whether Ryan’s comments about Beckham are aimed at pointing out that, while Ryan was still with the Jets, Bills G.M. Doug Whaley screwed the pooch by trading up from No. 9 to No. 4 to get Watkins when Whaley and the Bills could have stayed where they were and gotten Beckham, who to date has performed better than Watkins. With both Whaley and Ryan reportedly on an playoffs-or-step-off mandate for 2016, it makes sense to always be looking for any proof of one guy trying to pin the blame for the team’s struggles on the other guy.

41 responses to “Rex Ryan claims Jets tried to trade for Odell Beckham when he was dealing with hamstring issue

  1. The trade for Watkins was a terrible move then and now. He needs to become a perrenial probowler to justify it and they still dont have a franchise QB.

  2. This was Pegula’s first hire as a new football owner.
    I hope he knows what kind of coach to hire next time.

  3. Rex in a nutshell:

    Every player in football that is successful: Rex either coached him up or he tried to get him before the player exploded.

    Every bad player Rex has ever coached: He never wanted those guys on the roster, he knew they wouldn’t be any good, and he never had anything to do with them not getting better.

  4. montrealraider says:
    May 21, 2016 3:24 PM
    The trade for Watkins was a terrible move then and now. He needs to become a perrenial probowler to justify it and they still dont have a franchise QB.
    ———-

    If he avoids injuries, there’s not reason he won’t be. When he’s healthy he’s as dominant as any young WR in the league.

  5. Do people seriously not know the numbers? Sammy Watkins isn’t good, he’s great. Dig deeper into the stats. I wouldn’t trade Watkins for Beckham straight up. That said, the trade didn’t “have” to be made. However, someone quantify to me that if they hadn’t made the trade they would be further ahead. My guess is you can’t.

  6. stolendog23 says:
    May 21, 2016 4:07 PM
    Do people seriously not know the numbers? I wouldn’t trade Watkins for Beckham straight up.

    ——————-

    You must be out of your mind.

  7. Yea you could of gotten other WRs instead of trading the farm to move up to #4 orall…You never trade an extra 1st rounder unless its for a QB.Only Bills fans will talk hemselves into saying its a good deal LOL….

    OBD > Watkins

    Or even in 2nd round Allen Robinson > Watkins

    Watkins is a stud but 14′ was the BST draft ever for WR;s you could of sat at #9 overall and drafted ODB and even took another WR in 2nd round and been ore than fine….Plus also keeping that 1st rounder in 15′

    Bills smh…..I live here in Buffalo and have to year after year see the misery in the fans faces lolz 😉

  8. If you watched Watkins dominate Revis in the last game of the season, you know he’s about to blow up. For the first time, the Bills used him right, not just sending him deep, but having him run short routes and get YAC yards. Revis couldn’t stay with him in the first game, either, but timing was off with Tyrod and they couldn’t take advantage of it until Watkins faked Revis out of his boots for a 3rd down conversion that ended the game.

    By the way, if they stayed at 9, rumor is the Bills would have picked Eric Ebron, not ODB. I’ll take Watkins and one less 1st pick.

    Finally, don’t forget that Watkins was the undisputed (or at least very close) best receiver going in and arguably best player. Great for ODB that he has gotten off to such a great start, but going in, the question wasn’t who was the #1 receiver, it was whether Evans or ODB was #2, and the Bucs thought it was Evans.

  9. Watkins hasn’t remained healthy but when he is he’s as solid as they come. Sure Beckham has the numbers but only because he has Eli throwing to him and not JP Lossesman,Troy Edwards, Alex Van Pelt and Rob Johnson… There’s your problem.

  10. I’m a big Bills fan and I’ll admit I was pretty excited when they hired Rex Ryan (Ryan getting his hands on the best d-line in the league? What could go wrong?)

    My wife, whose father is a big Jets fan, tried to warn me that he’s not all he’s puffed up to be, but nevertheless I was ready to anoint this team ready-for-primetime. Needless to say last season was craptacular, but I had many excuses at the ready for anyone who wanted to fire Rex (It was year one in a complicated system, the players weren’t natural fits for the scheme, etc.)

    But this offseason the more I hear Rex talk (like the comments he made that were published above), the more turned off by his persona I get.

    Where last offseason his bluster was getting me pumped for the coming year, now I just get the sense that he doesn’t care how his words could affect the team.

    This is a young team with talent across the depth chart, but with that youth comes a fragility that requires a deft leader capable of navigating them through a tough season. I see zero of the traits that would make Rex Ryan capable of leading this team to the Super Bowl (and trust me, this is a roster that could explode through the playoffs given the right leadership). I don’t see Rex making it through the season and it pains me to predict another lost season for my snake bit team.

    That being said, my issue with the comments he made regarding Watkins is that the Bills front office is catching some heat for the injury statuses of Watkins and Lawson. Instead of playing off the injuries as non-issues (Or if that was what he was attempting to do, mission hella-not-accomplished), he invites yet another unfair comparison to OBJ. The solution to negating a less than ideal situation is not to provide the press with another talking-point. The injuries, while significant, are timed to the point where the players will be ready to play, if not by the start of the regular season, then by week 6 (Per the PUP regulations, unless my memory is failing me). Essentially what that means is that if Rex does his job, and guides the team through the beginning of the regular season, he will gain one, if not two impact players at premium positions before the half-point of the regular season.

    In other words, if he plays off the issue, and maintains the team through the early parts of the season, he effectively makes the story of Watkins and Lawson’s injuries a non-issue.

    I’m sick of Rex’s bluster, and although I don’t think he should be fired now, he has used up the last bit of leash he ever had with the team. The honeymoon is long over, and if the team misses the playoffs, that is one hundred percent on him.

  11. Watkins was still pretty spectacular last year, not the same production as Odell. But still, Watkins does a few things better, and theyre so yung he might turn out to be the better player, just gotta wait and c.

  12. Browns did nothing with the picks buffalo sent them. So. Buffalo got the better end of that deal.

  13. @nhpats:

    “You must be out of your mind.”

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    Umm actually, no. In 8 games after the bye last year Watkins had 886 yards and 7 TD’s. Pro-rate that and it’s a 92 catch 1,776 yd, 14 TD season. Still don’t think he’s as good or better than ODB? He also averaged 20.5 yards per catch in that span. Look it up, that’s absurd. Of course your argument is going to be “do it for a whole year”. I would rebut your argument with “give him a Hall of Fame QB” and he might even do better.

    I know it takes effort to look deeper at stats. It’s also easy to get suckered by the endless highlights of ODB the media loops, but I can assure you, Watkins is every bit as good as ODB. Don’t trip.

  14. I used to wonder why Patriots fans ripped on Rex all the time….. Now I see

  15. “If you watched Watkins dominate Revis in the last game of the season, you know he’s about to blow up.”

    He played an injured Revis who was forced to play zone instead of man to man. He couldn’t get physical with Sammy up at the line and Watkins took advantage. Anyone who watched him last year knew Revis was his normal self up until the Colts game in which he injured his wrist. Patriots fans can even vouch that Watkins couldn’t hold a healthy Revis’s jock strap.

    I’m not saying Watkins is bad, he’s actually a very good player but, he is highly overrated. Analysts and fans get so caught up in his speed and athleticism and they fail to look at the numbers and see how much it cost the Bills to draft him. Even on his intangibles alone he was not worth that price tag. The guy is a head case just look at his twitter feed, if a team makes you their franchise player you don’t skip voluntary workouts to hang out with your bro’s at the casino, and the injuries are self explanatory.

    Rex Ryan single handedly turned a perfect team with the Jets into a perennial bottom feeder in his time there. He drafted Sanchez, Kyle Wilson, Ducasse, pounded the table for Santonio Holmes and passed up on Russell Wilson due to his love for the Sanchize. I hope the Bills fans give Sammy a little more time because he does have potential but after last year Rex Ryan should of been shown the door.

  16. stolendog23 says:
    May 21, 2016 6:24 PM
    @nhpats:

    “You must be out of your mind.”

    ————————————–

    Umm actually, no. In 8 games after the bye last year Watkins had 886 yards and 7 TD’s. Pro-rate that and it’s a 92 catch 1,776 yd, 14 TD season. Still don’t think he’s as good or better than ODB? He also averaged 20.5 yards per catch in that span. Look it up, that’s absurd. Of course your argument is going to be “do it for a whole year”. I would rebut your argument with “give him a Hall of Fame QB” and he might even do better.

    I know it takes effort to look deeper at stats. It’s also easy to get suckered by the endless highlights of ODB the media loops, but I can assure you, Watkins is every bit as good as ODB. Don’t trip.

    ———-
    Sorry…….prorating stats doesn’t cut it. Look at his actual numbers…. Oh, and he doesn’t have a HOF QB….and he won’t any time soon… Moreover, he does have the buffoon known as Rex Ryan.

    But it’s good you are excited this time of year. By Thanksgiving when the Bills are mathematically eliminated….you probably won’t be so excited any longer.

  17. Let’s be real here unless Rex wins less than 9 games and the D gets worse he isn’t getting fired. Pegula wants to see what having the same coach and GM for more than a few years can do. The Bills haven’t made the playoffs in 16 years because they just keep changing players and scheme every 2 -3 years.
    ODB has been better than Sammy so far but he also has the benefit of a good QB who is willing to throw it up to him. Sammy should have a good year if he plays healthy and at the pace he did the second half of last season he could easily end up with 1200 plus yards and 10-14 TDs.
    He’s also better off the press than Beckham. Gilmore pressed him and played physical with him last season and he had a meltdown. Only time will tell who the better pick was.
    @ryan252013.. Keeping making excuses. Watkins will be smoking Revis is this season to. Have fun being saddled with that Cap hit for the next few years..As much as you hate Rex he wasn’t the GM he didn’t pick those players on his own.

  18. It’s always fun watching the Bills fans prance around and talk big in the offseason. It fades so quickly by late fall….

  19. @nhpats:

    “Sorry…….prorating stats doesn’t cut it. Look at his actual numbers….”

    ———————————————–

    Right, you can’t pro-rate them because they ruin your argument. Watkins missed 3 games in the first half of the season as well. His statistics don’t lie and I don’t need a 12 year old Pats fan to tell me otherwise.

  20. stolendog23 says:
    May 21, 2016 7:24 PM
    @nhpats:

    “Sorry…….prorating stats doesn’t cut it. Look at his actual numbers….”

    ———————————————–

    Right, you can’t pro-rate them because they ruin your argument. Watkins missed 3 games in the first half of the season as well. His statistics don’t lie and I don’t need a 12 year old Pats fan to tell me otherwise.

    ———
    No you can’t prorate them because they didn’t happen. You need to prorate them to even have an argument. But let’s try this, Brady threw for 6TDs one game…..prorated that’s 96TDs per season…..pretty awesome huh! Or how about if you prorate a few wins The Bills would actually make the playoffs!

    Wide right…….again….

  21. You don’t need to prorate anything . 2 years Receptions: 125
    Receiving yards: 2,029
    Receiving touchdowns: 15
    PEDESTRIAN . SORRY BUFFALOSER YOUR POSTS ARE MORE PATHETIC THAN THE SORRIEST BIGGEST JOKE OF A FRANCHISE EVER!!!!! Only team in all 4 major sports not to make the playoffs since the calendar turned 2000

  22. “I know it takes effort to look deeper at stats. It’s also easy to get suckered by the endless highlights of ODB the media loops, but I can assure you, Watkins is every bit as good as ODB. Don’t trip.”

    Okay, let’s go along with the prorated stats. Watkins cost Buffalo two number one picks and a fourth. ODB only cost the Giants one number one pick. So, wouldn’t “every bit as good” be a colossal failure on Buffalo’s part due to how much more Watkins cost them – whether you prorate the stats or not? If you tell me your car is every bit as good as mine, and you paid well over twice what I paid, which one of us would feel foolish?

  23. I’m LOVING seeing Rex in Buffalo.
    I hope he lasts at least 2 more years, so he can do more damage.
    I’d be sad if he’s canned after 1 year.

  24. stolendog23 says:
    Right, you can’t pro-rate them because they ruin your argument. Watkins missed 3 games in the first half of the season as well. His statistics don’t lie and I don’t need a 12 year old Pats fan to tell me otherwise.
    ________________

    How about an over 40 Giants fan?
    You can’t simply pretend the only games he played were the 8 after the bye, particularly when there were 9 games after the bye. The 4 games he played before the bye did in fact, you know, actually happen. In them he went 78-732 and 7 td’s using your post bye pro rate criteria the real numbers are 139-1301 & 12 TD’s, fantastic numbers to be sure but you can’t just throw out the ninth game because he got virtually shut out in it and be taken seriously anymore than you can ignore the games before the bye. The guy can ball you don’t need to cherry pick to make a case he has the makings of a stud.

  25. jetscausemehemmroids says:
    May 21, 2016 5:30 PM

    “Watkins is a stud but 14′ was the BST draft ever for WR;s you could of sat at #9 overall and drafted ODB and even took another WR in 2nd round and been ore than fine….Plus also keeping that 1st rounder in 15′”

    ————————————————————

    Class of 84 disagrees.

  26. Funny all the fans making the argument that OBJ had Eli Manning throwing to him. You mean the same Eli Manning you trash all season long? Can’t have it both ways dopes.

  27. stolendog23 says:
    May 21, 2016 7:24 PM
    His statistics don’t lie
    ————————

    No they do not. But you didn’t post his real stats. Your presentation of them is skewed to the point of stretching credulity. The Giants fan above makes a very telling point about there being 9 games after the bye. Guessing that somehow it was the 3/14/0 slash line vs the NYJ that didn’t make the cut…

  28. ryann252013 says:
    May 21, 2016 6:42 PM
    Rex Ryan single handedly turned a perfect team with the Jets into a perennial bottom feeder in his time there.
    ———————

    How did we miss that 19-0 team in NY? You’d think the word would have gotten out. Best kept secret in the history of the sport. If only they had some media in that city…

  29. Does Wrecks ever shut up! That big mouth of his is always flapping! Try a little coaching Wrecks, if you know what that is! You L-O-S-E-R!

  30. Mz1394
    You don’t need to prorate anything . 2 years Receptions: 125
    Receiving yards: 2,029
    Receiving touchdowns: 15
    PEDESTRIAN .

    17.5 yards per catch. Tied for the highest average among players with a 1000 yards receiving.

    2062 yards 155 catches 7 TDs that’s Antonio Browns first 3 seasons 38 Games
    Take into account that Sammy plays for a team that had the most runs/ best running game last year. His QBs have been Kyle Orton and Tyrod( who just completed his first season as a starter) I agree that you can’t use prorated stats as a predictor of performance but to say he is pediestrian is just being oblivious. im not saying the kid is going to be as good as Brown but he could be great.

  31. Buffalo, where a player doesn’t have to do accomplish anything to be “great”.

    Anoint, rinse and repeat every off season and then lose like always in the regular season.

  32. Umm actually, no. In 8 games after the bye last year Watkins had 886 yards and 7 TD’s. Pro-rate that and it’s a 92 catch 1,776 yd, 14 TD season. Still don’t think he’s as good or better than ODB? He also averaged 20.5 yards per catch in that span. Look it up, that’s absurd. Of course your argument is going to be “do it for a whole year”. I would rebut your argument with “give him a Hall of Fame QB” and he might even do better.

    I know it takes effort to look deeper at stats. It’s also easy to get suckered by the endless highlights of ODB the media loops, but I can assure you, Watkins is every bit as good as ODB. Don’t trip.
    ====================

    Don’t trip? Trip over what? Manipulated numbers?
    There were NINE games after the bye not 8.
    The game that was thrown out was a 3/14/0 week 10 performance against the Jets, that was not an inadvertent mistake as his week 9 numbers were used. Arbitrarily selecting 7 of his 8 best of the season while kicking all but 1 of his worst to the curb isn’t making an effort to “look deeper at stats” it is manipulating them. “Easy to get suckered” indeed, just not as easy as you think.

    Injuries are part of the game as are suspensions, there’s no cause to prorate. If for some reason it was important to compare them over 16 why not extrapolate rather than manipulate? You could have simply, and honestly, used their per game avg’s to mirror a complete season:
    Watkins : 74/1289/11
    Beckham: 102/1547/14

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