Fines imposed against Harbaugh, Ravens show NFL didn’t think there was a “mistake”

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The NFL did the Ravens a favor by not disclosing the amount of the fines imposed on the team and coach John Harbaugh for violating the rules regarding offseason practices. That’s the extent of any gratuity given to the team or its coach.

The 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement provides that the head coach “shall be subject to a fine in the amount of $100,000 for the first violation,” and the team “shall be subject to a fine in the amount of $250,000 for the first violation.” The base amount of the fines from 2011 increase each year based on growth in league revenue.

In this case, PFT has confirmed that the infraction resulted in fines of $137,223 for Harbaugh and $343,057 for the Ravens. (Jim Trotter of ESPN first reported the fine amounts.)

Article 21, Section 8 of the CBA permits the Commissioner, in consultation with the NFLPA, to reduce the fines if the conduct of the coach resulted from a “good faith” interpretation of the rules regarding offseason workouts or that the violation did not result in a material violation of the rules. Based on Trotter’s report, there was no reduction.

This means, as a practical matter, that the NFL didn’t buy the team’s claim that it made a “mistake” when it put players in pads during rookie minicamp. Ultimately, the NFL cut the Ravens no slack, imposing more than $480,000 in fines on the coach and his team.

63 responses to “Fines imposed against Harbaugh, Ravens show NFL didn’t think there was a “mistake”

  1. The Ravens are lucky that no one got hurt. Ravens fans wouldn’t be defending Harbaugh if Ronnie Stanley or Kamalei Correa had a season ending injury due to this foolishness.

  2. Nothing gets past Sheriff Goodell! I do wish DeMaurice Smith would try to work more effectively with the commissioner. His recent comments were highly unprofessional and low class. Sometimes ii question iif Smith has any ethics or if he’s just a ruthless litigator who will defend anyone no matter the circumstances or what iis in the best intrest of the game. Did they at all collaborate on this punishment?

  3. Geez, that’s harsh. Not like he killed a guy and threw out his white suit………

  4. Another glorious Belichick sleeper agent moment, courtesy of Ben Watson. It’s the craftsmanship of it all that I admire. Hopefully Belichick will agree to run the CIA under the Trump/Brady Administration.

  5. Hope the 5 minutes of padded practice with the punt team was worth missing 3 full days of OTAs John

  6. If the article is correct and the league believes the team was not acting in good faith but rather it was a deliberate and willful violation of the rules then they did the Ravens a solid. Seeking to gain a leg up through additional padded practice time particularly during what are supposed to be non contact practices could be construed as attempting to gain an unfair advantage. Equally saying you were unaware of a rule you were in fact aware of could be viewed as being less than forthcoming and cooperative…

  7. A FINE??? Because the Collective Bargaining Agreement states it should be a fine? That is crazy. The last one I saw that the CBA stated should be a fine got a 4 game suspension and has been a national story for 16 months. And the Raven’s break the rules, they get a fine. That is pathetic. It should be 1 million dollars, and at least 1 first round pick.

  8. I’m a Ravens fan and what Harbaugh did was extremely naive and stupid. That being said it’s not even remotely close to what the Patriots have done (multiple times mind you) so any of you comparing the two situations are as dumb as Harbaugh.

  9. So actual actitivites that can benefit the players and team on the field instructed by the coaches is much less of a punishment than the cosch and management knowing nothing (according to the Wells report) about the psi in a few footballs (that is explained completely by science)?

    Gotta love Goodell’s consistency. This punishment even has a much higher baseline punishment than air in the football and it is 1/100th the punishment.

  10. I think they were lucky it wasn’t worse, considering it’s their second offense for basically the same thing.

  11. If this were occurring in NE, the Patriot haters would’ve stormed Foxboro with pitchforks and torches demanding that the Pats give their rings back.

  12. I’m just laughing at you idiots who say the Ravens get special treatment. They probably put on pads for the team photo and this was the result. The wussificaton on the NFL continues……

  13. Pull a Shady Brady and appeal it. Then appeal the appeal. Then appeal the appeal of the appeal. All the while it will cost the players union and not the Ravens.
    Patriots suck!

  14. Harbaugh should claim innocence and appeal this until he retires from Coaching. Same approach Brady is taking for his obviously guilty infractions.

  15. So you are telling us there was a “scheme ” to “circunvent the rules” and give the team a “competitive advantage”. Doesn’t this goes against the “integrity of the game”? Where have I heard that before, Roger?

  16. Pats fan here and I hate the Ravens. Hate Harbaugh. But there is waaaay too much at stake every year not to push the envelope as far as you can any chance you get or you will get left behind. So I can’t fault Harbaugh for looking for an edge.

    Having said that, you probably need to pick your moments. Putting all the rookies in pads for everyone to see when it’s a clear violation not only brings negative publicity to your organization but it also makes you look dumb/arrogant at the same time.

  17. Love my Ravens but there is no place for amateur shenanigans like this in our organization. Glad they got popped.

  18. My favorite part of this thread is where everything is compared to the Patriots, when in fact, the Patriots are not especially huge cheaters according to yourteamcheats.com

  19. A lot of whining comparing this to the Pats! Maybe John should’ve smashed his phone he was taking pictures of the practice with and named his equipment guy the OTA Pad issuer for the iPad’s he handed out… then proclaimed his innocence.

  20. John Harbaugh, the George Costanza of NFL- “was that wrong? Was I not supposed to do that?”.

  21. I think it’s outrageously high for the type of infraction involved. Also can’t imagine that someone in the organization didn’t tell Harbaugh his decision to have the practice with pads was problematic. I mean even the equipment guys should have said, “Hey coach, we haven’t made all the equipment adjustments yet. It’s too early.” But regardless, with Deflategate going on, there is no way this was going to be ignored. Especially with every single Clark Kent want-to-be with press credentials thinking he is going to blow the NFL wide apart with his investigative reporting.
    Kind of a strange penalty, when you think of it. Not the money part. But when there is a known correlation between insufficient practice and injuries, especially with rookies, the loss of OTAs seems misplaced. On the other hand, it’s been quite awhile since I have heard anyone accusing Goodell of having common sense. So I guess there’s that.

  22. Just wanted to come in to see the butthurt Patriots fans chiming in making everything about them.

    Not disappointed. Keep whining, crying, and complaining. It’s who you are.

  23. Outrageously high penalties. But of course it’s part and package of Goodell’s integrity claim. So obviously there won’t be any rhyme or reason associated with this.
    Bigger issue is loss of OTAs. Since there is a direct correlation between insuffient practice and injuries, you would think that some alternate form of punishment the would be used. Besides the fines. But then again expecting any level of common sense out of Goodell is unreasonable.

  24. If Harbaugh was ” generally aware” then he should be suspended 4 games and loss of 4 games salary. The team should be fined $1 million and loss of a 1st and 4th rounder.

    Unless that is….Goodell wishes to invent some new rule..and issue some new fine.

  25. I think you may miss the point. The practice regulation is not for unfair advantage for the team. I presume it is to protect players during the off -season from being forced to practice when they are on break. Yes, they make a lot of money. BUT….Football is very physical and these guys do need adequate time to recuperate. I presume this rule is part of the Players agreement to protect players. To prevent coaches from holding “voluntary” sessions.

  26. “The practice regulation is not for unfair advantage for the team.”

    Neither are supposedly deflated balls. So, the Pats should get back draft picks, cash and 4 games.

  27. josephurban says:
    May 26, 2016 5:31 PM
    The practice regulation is not for unfair advantage for the team.
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    Well, it is in a way because if you can get away with more practice of a certain type that no other, rule-abiding teams aren’t doing, then you have an unfair advantage in the level of preparedness of your team. Kind of like a F1 racing team getting in more laps of testing than permitted to fine-tune their car. Naughty.

  28. Nice to see the bad karma for the ravens starting the whole football psi debacle is carrying over to a second season. Enjoy your 5-11 season guys and gals.

  29. pftard says:
    May 26, 2016 4:12 PM

    Harbaugh should claim innocence and appeal this until he retires from Coaching. Same approach Brady is taking for his obviously guilty infractions.
    =================================
    Guess you missed the 21 professors of engineering & physics from across the country, who filed a brief with the appeals court 2 days because the suspension lacked any scientific proof.

    “This is not tampering .It is science.”

    So, what “obviously guilty infraction” are you referring to?

  30. I think the reason the Ravens didn’t get a greater punishment was because they admitted their crime early on. We still haven’t heard that from Brady so he dug his own grave.

  31. Let’s put this all in perspective a minute. They had full pads but it was a non-contact drill. Yes it’s against the rules but there was really no injury risk. They should be punished and have been.

    On the scale of their organization’s revenue and salaries the fines are about the same as an average joe getting a speeding ticket. They lose 3 voluntary OTA days. The still get 7, a mandatory mini-camp and full training camp. It’s not like there are huge question marks in position groups on who will start. They’ll be fine. This is offseason media drama.

  32. spartan01 says:
    May 26, 2016 8:28 PM
    Let’s put this all in perspective a minute. They had full pads but it was a non-contact drill. Yes it’s against the rules but there was really no injury risk. They should be punished and have been.
    ———————–

    Let’s do that. They blatantly broke a rule in the CBA after breaking the same rule in 2010. That makes them a repeat offender.

  33. Didn’t know? It’s been a rule for 5 years. How about players that have been in the NFL for 5 years or less cannot be flagged during a game for anything, because maybe they didn’t know the rules?

  34. I hate the Ravens and their stupid coach. But AGAIN Goodell goes and over punishes. Idc if people don’t like the Patriots. Goodell needs to be fired. Your team could be next (besides the jets ). If enough fans pressure the owners something could get done!

  35. When caught breaking the rules, the Ravens admitted they did. No investigation needed.

    When the Pats break the rules, they make up stories about nicknames and, just before an investigation commences, they destroy equipment that can provide evidence of their guilt or innocence causing the NFL to launch a costly, time-consuming investigation.

    And still, Patriots backers can’t understand why their team’s punishment was more severe. That level of denseness can never be fixed.

  36. Let’s do that. They blatantly broke a rule in the CBA after breaking the same rule in 2010. That makes them a repeat offender.

    —-

    In 2010 they got in trouble for keeping players in the facility too long. This time it was full pads in rookie camp. Both times they were penalized according to the written rules. I have more than one traffic violation. Each one I was penalized according to the rules. I am a repeat offender. What is your point?

  37. johnodocks says:
    May 26, 2016 9:48 PM

    When caught breaking the rules, the Ravens admitted they did. No investigation needed.

    When the Pats break the rules, they make up stories about nicknames and, just before an investigation commences, they destroy equipment that can provide evidence of their guilt or innocence causing the NFL to launch a costly, time-consuming investigation.

    And still, Patriots backers can’t understand why their team’s punishment was more severe. That level of denseness can never be fixed.
    __________________________________
    It’s kind of hard for them not to admit it considering the practice was filmed and the teams union rep had to point out to Harbaugh that what he was doing was not allowed.

    But for you to say that New England makes up stories about nicknames and destroy equipment to hide evidence made me laugh…No evidence was “destroyed,” Brady handed over all of the pertinent logs from his phone, (that Ted Wells says he nor the NFL needed).

    And to say that the NFLPA/Brady caused the NFL to go to court to “launch a costly, time consuming investigation” is just purely idiotic.
    If I remember correctly it was the NFL that went running to Judge Berman first, before Brady/NFLPA could file their appeal…

    I am not a Ravens or Patriot fan, but I think the Ravens were lucky that Goodell didn’t go all postal on them! Maybe, finally some of the owners are tired of all the negative publicity.

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