Patriots fans wanted to see Ravens lose a draft pick

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For committing a blatant violation of the offseason workout rules, the NFL imposed more than $480,000 in fines against the Ravens and coach John Harbaugh and stripped the team of a week of Organized Team Activities. For some fans (i.e., Patriots fans), that wasn’t enough.

Patriots fans, for good reason, wanted to see the Ravens lose a draft pick or two for putting putting players in pads during rookie minicamp, in blatant violation of the rules regarding offseason workouts.

Here’s why it didn’t happen. Under Article 21, Section 8(d)(ii), a second violation in the same league year results in the forfeiture of a fourth-round draft pick. For the first violation in a given league year, no draft picks are taken.

Still, some Patriots fans would point out that the NFL could ignore the offseason workout rules and impose whatever penalty the league wants to impose in the interests of promoting and preserving the integrity of the game. Some would say that’s precisely what the NFL did in the #Deflategate case, ignoring the rules regarding equipment violations and imposing far stricter penalties.

It wouldn’t have been that difficult, if the league had decided to hammer the Ravens. The argument would have been that the use of pads during offseason workouts is so grossly beyond the scope of what is and isn’t permitted that the blatant use of pads justifies much more serious penalties.

The fact that the league didn’t do it doesn’t mean the league couldn’t have done it, if the league had wanted to do it. Which continues to be the basis for Patriots’ fans loudest complaints in the aftermath of #Deflategate.

133 responses to “Patriots fans wanted to see Ravens lose a draft pick

  1. If this hadn’t been one of Goodell’s favorites (Ravens, Steelers, Jets) they probably lose a pick, Ravens violated these rules in 2010. Patriots were repeat offenders for an unrelated offense from 2007. Would make sense Ravens would be repeat offenders.

  2. Throwing down controversy between two teams who love to hate each other. What’s the guess on total comments? I’m guessing over 80.

  3. I’m getting a bit tired of all the Deflategate brouhaha. But, I definitely think that the leniency of the league in this case is ludicrous in comparison to the way they hammered the Chiefs.

  4. Yes but the Ravens are one of the leagues choir boys right NFL fans ?

    They only made Ray Rice’s wife do one of the most abusive things you can do to a victim of domestic violence, made her make a public statement that she was at fault.

    The Ravens are whiny, crying scum top to bottom – ownership, management and players.

  5. Part of the harsh penalty on the Patriots was due to a “previous cheater” designation for spygate. The Ravens also had an issue a few years back. It’s just another disenfranchising episode in the saga “As the NFL turns”.

  6. They are nowhere near as good as the Pat’s so they would never loose a pick. Only the King of the Hill is getting attacked! Not the “also ran’s!

  7. Tom Brady the GOAT won his 4th ring with the odds stacked against him and the NFL trying to distract them with a made up controversy.

    Think about that and let that set in.

    He beats your teams, the league, and there is absolutely nothing you, the NFL, or anyone else can do about it.

    It must be a hopeless feeling.

    kiss the rings.

  8. Belichick ignores a MEMO and has a first round pick taken in “Spygate”.Belichick and the organization are found to have cooperated and found no wrong doing in “Deflategate” and had a first and forth round pick taken. Brady at the very most should have had a $8200 fine for maybe knowing something about something that did not take place..4 games….ya think the Patriots are being treated different than the rest of the league? Ravens, Colts, Jets helped the league sting and frame the Patriots…SHAMEFUL and CORRUPT.

  9. As a Pats fan, I honestly have no issue with the penalty the Ravens were assessed. In this case, the punishment fits the crime, even though this was not the first time the Raven have been popped for OTA violations (albeit not in the same season).

    Its not about Pats fans wishing the Ravens had been assessed a more stringent penalty, its about the lack of consistency and still not receiving good rational for the Pats being assessed the penalties they were for the equivalent of jay walking (which, mind you, was never proven and most certainly never happened). That is what most people, including the haters, don’t seem to understand. Well, that plus the fact they think 0.2 PSI is the worst penalty in the history of the NFL.

  10. I’m pretty sure they got hit hard for the conspiracy aspect of the crime and of course the cover up. Had the organization and Brady admitted guilt right away maybe they wouldn’t have gotten such a severe penalty. The cover up is always worse than the crime. So there goes your homer theory.

  11. Comparing a team that broke rules in a conference championship game and a team that broke a much different rule in May is the longest of stretches. The Ravens do have a history of pushing boundaries in OTAs, but the fact that this happened in the middle of the offseason, rather than during a playoff game is a distinction worth noting and considering when meting out punishment in these cases.

  12. I didn’t. It’d be pretty hypocritical of me ask for harsh punishments for relatively minor infractions (if they even did happen in the Pats’ case) after the Patriots have gotten jobbed. I just want everyone to line up and play ball, the game is about execution between the chalklines, nothing more or less. All these other side shows are just drama that keep the casual, I’m-only-here-for-fantasy fans interested. If you actually care about the sport of football, you should be against the league’s repeated botched disciplinary measures.

  13. Who cares what fair weather Pats fans want? They will be gone as soon as Brady and Bellichick are retired. They are using deflate gate as an excuse to jump ship. The team should have moved to St. Louis instead of selling to Kraft. Boston fans are obnoxious front runners when it comes to the NFL. It will go back to being a baseball and basketball first town.

  14. Plenty of fan bases want things done but only one media outlet treats Pats fans special, they even created a safe space for them. It’s getting really pathetic really fast.

  15. oh stop crying, Pats fans are starting to sound like giant babies. the Ravens got hit harder than the seahawks did, but what the seahawks did was way worse. So they got the right punishment

  16. Only the most delusional of people could compare 5 minutes of non-contact practice in pads to a QB bribing the ballboys into sneaking into a bathroom to deflate footballs while the refs aren’t looking.

  17. It seems like Roger just has a hardon for the Patriots. I’m glad Kraft filed that paperwork pretty much accusing him of such. Nice to see an owner finally standing up to tyranny. We need more of that in this country right now as well.

  18. I am certain that with the exception of a small percentage of outliers, Pats fans that do say this are saying it with their tongues firmly implanted in their cheek.

  19. Umm if you actually followed the Ray Rice story, then you would know that the Ravens suggest that they don’t go public. But Ray and his WIFE chose too.

    harrisonhits2 says:
    May 27, 2016 11:51 AM

    Yes but the Ravens are one of the leagues choir boys right NFL fans ?

    They only made Ray Rice’s wife do one of the most abusive things you can do to a victim of domestic violence, made her make a public statement that she was at fault.

    The Ravens are whiny, crying scum top to bottom – ownership, management and players.

  20. stealthjunk says:
    May 27, 2016 12:12 PM

    Only the most delusional of people could compare 5 minutes of non-contact practice in pads to a QB bribing the ballboys into sneaking into a bathroom to deflate footballs while the refs aren’t looking.
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    The only one who said it was “five minutes” was someone from the Ravens. And I believe they said “like five minutes” as they didn’t know the exact amount of time but wanted to express it to be a minimal amount. But, of course they would minimize it and that isn’t the point anyway. They knew before they did it they shouldn’t have.

  21. Doesn’t matter. Give them an extra pick and take another one away from Belichick. He and Brady will win anyway.

    Gotta say tho that Florio is the rare objective commentator. Most of them are really lazy.

  22. The Patriots were fined for something that never happened. Anyone that read the wells report that didn’t pay or receive $3 million for it knows that

  23. a QB bribing the ballboys into sneaking into a bathroom to deflate footballs while the refs aren’t looking.
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    you really believe that happened?

    a huge conspiracy with Brady at the head of it?

    really?

  24. stealthjunk says:
    May 27, 2016 12:12 PM

    Only the most delusional of people could compare 5 minutes of non-contact practice in pads to a QB bribing the ballboys into sneaking into a bathroom to deflate footballs while the refs aren’t looking.

    6

    10

    You think he bribed the ball boy to deflate 12 footballs in 90 seconds (why was he in a hurry?) by .3 (YES DECIMAL) psi? Why would anyone deflate a ball by a third of a PSI?

  25. What amazes me is people still trying to compare to the Pats infraction, that actually never happened. It is now (and always has been) scientifically proven that there was no manual deflation for the footballs in the AFCC game. So stop trying to compare the two. One happened (i.e. Ravens were caught cheating, again) and one was fabricated (i.e. the balls were deflated naturally as they have in apparently 61% of games based on the INDEPENDENT study performed by multiple scientists/engineers).

    Even the league has distanced themselves from the deflation aspect now that its been debunked six ways from Sunday and continue to spew lies and fabrication about non-cooperation

  26. The patriots were cleared of everything in the very un-independent wells report and still lost a 1st and 4th + 1 million fine… and some of you people wonder what the patriots fans problem is? Can’t figure it out on your own?

  27. Only the most delusional of people could compare 5 minutes of non-contact practice in pads to a QB bribing the ballboys into sneaking into a bathroom to deflate footballs while the refs aren’t looking.
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    Only the most delusional fans can try and make an argument that 0.2 PSI is a competitive advantage. Your argument is pathetic.

    Now, if you go the route of well they tried to cheat, so it doesn’t matter about the actual impact, your argument is still bunk. The Ravens knew they were breaking the rule. So while I agree 5 minutes in non-contact pads will likely have no impact on the upcoming season, 0.2 PSI (which we all know occurred naturally) had no impact on the AFCC.

  28. Fifth grade science proved the NFL wrong with their “seems more than likely” accusation in an attempt to frame Brady.

    Ben Watson caught the Ravens red handed breaking the rule.

    Any dimwit would just ask the NFL to test balls over a season and see if the (proven) science demonstrates that footballs lose air.

    Oh, they already did that? And what was the NFL???????

  29. pwellz says:
    May 27, 2016 11:48 AM
    If this hadn’t been one of Goodell’s favorites (Ravens, Steelers, Jets) they probably lose a pick, Ravens violated these rules in 2010.

    The Steelers are not his favorite team. The Steelers are the ONLY team that didn’t sign the CBA because of the power Goodell had. Because he was judge, jury & you know the rest. Everyone got on them them then. Pats fans were Big fans of Goodell then, when he was fining Steelers players and Suspending BBen when no charges were filed against him.
    Delusional Pats fans it’s nice to see them squirm..

  30. Just because 4 Patriots fans have a tweeter account and want a draft pick taken away does not mean that “Patriots Fans” want a draft pick taken away.

    Twitter is stupid.

  31. so let’s see what happened in the deflategate novel this past two week.

    Chapater 11, “the pig in the poke”

    A consensus started to build among a few owners that maybe the Brady situation should be resolved. However the owners in Roger’s ear would not relent.
    Needing a way to get the ear owners off the dime, the NFL was tipped by the NFLPA about the Ravens practicing with pads.

    So the small consensus building owners tried to convince Biscotti at the Charlotte meetings to relent.

    However, this attempt went nowhere.
    This led to Kraft filing his friend of the court brief basically telling the court the NFL investigation regarding Brady was in no way conducted fairly.

    Godell being the majority is my side guy now comes out with the softest of all fines on the Ravens.

    Stay tuned for Chapter 12, “Brady with a sneak, for a TD”

  32. Please stop trying to assume all Pats fans want the Ravens to lose a pick.

    I despise the Ravens as much as anyone else but this penalty or violation, whatever you want to call it, is weak at best.

    Plus if the Pats do manage to win another SB this year after getting 1st & 4th draft picks taken away and losing the best QB in the league for 4 games without any proof of wrongdoing, then what will Pats haters make up for an excuse then?

  33. stealthjunk says:
    May 27, 2016 12:12 PM

    Only the most delusional of people could compare 5 minutes of non-contact practice in pads to a QB bribing the ballboys into sneaking into a bathroom to deflate footballs while the refs aren’t looking.
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    First of all the ball boy did NOT sneak, he walked past a group of officials out of the room , plus another official standing right next to the bathroom.
    As the 21 scientists from across the country stated in their brief, filed with the court ” This is not tampering .It is science”. In the name of science, we support the petition for rehearing.

    There was NO TAMPERING!!!!!!!

    Sounds like you are the delusional one!!

  34. The Ravens actually did something that was wrong, though!

    In the 2014 AFCCG, we know that nobody took any air out of any football after they were inspected.

    We know this, because the pressure was measured at halftime and the drop for all footballs, Patriots and Colts, was completely what was expected based upon temperatures, initial level of inflation, and error in the measurement by those people using those gauges.

    If anybody took any air out of any football after they were inspected, the pressured that was measured would have been lower. That’s what happens when you take air out of things. Duh.

    I’m dumbing this down so that even Colts and Ravens fans can follow, a little.

  35. hakunamangata says:
    May 27, 2016 12:25 PM
    Well no one ever accused Patriot fans of being intelligent or grounded in reality so this reaction would be in keeping with that narrative.
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    I am a Pats fan and season ticket holder since ’82. When this broke I posted about the inequity of punishment of late, specifically what happened to the Chiefs, being grounds to consider that someone could make the case they got off light given Roger’s somewhat new found zeal for message sending. I also stated they should not have been disciplined beyond what the CBA called for. Was that not well thought out and based in reality?
    It is nonsense to state “Pats fans wanted…”
    It was SOME Pats fans, just like it was SOME Steelers fans and SOME fans of other teams. Personally I think the loss of an entire week of OTA’s is preposterous enough.

  36. I am a HUGE Patriots fan & while I’m still ticked about the whole deflate/framegate crap the league pulled off against my team I’m not on board with additional over the top rediculous punishments for such minor infractions….. That being said, what the Ravens did was factual & proven while what was done to the Patriots was neither….I am very disappointed that the NFL & 345 Park Ave could actually pull & get away with what they did & still tying to do to Brady…..
    Goodell needs to MAN UP & drop the Brady suspension & admit that what he’s done to thePatriots Organization based on a complete lack of evidence of ANY type of tampering is sufficient…..

  37. Look at where Patriots fans are concentrated. A once great place where a revolution started based on individual liberty turned into a progressive cesspool of envy, victimhood, and anger.

  38. How many pounds has the deflator lost now? Maybe he could be the new Subway spokesman?

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    it was a dumb thing to say, we get it.

    but not as dumb to believe Brady led a conspiracy to lower the psi levels of footballs.

    not as dumb to believe that the NFL told and still tells the truth.

    not as dumb to believe punishments and investigations are dealt with uniformly and with integrity.

  39. As a moderator of a Patriots fan site, I can attest that the only Pats fans crying for the Ravens to lose a draft pick were joking.

    As a Pats fan, I think the loss of the OTA week was a bit harsh.

  40. How many different ways can this site show that the Pats have the most hypocritical fan base in sports? Stay tuned….

  41. It’s one thing to get caught doing something so blatant in the middle of a PLAYOFF GAME to try and win. It’s a totally different infraction to just put on pads in the offsets on and not even make it to the field.

    Stop crying and get over it.

  42. There was no conspiracy to lower the psi levels in Brady’s footballs. He just ordered the team employees to do it, and occasionally throw them some gifts. End of story.

  43. League favors the Ravens and the Steelers. Tough for AFCN teams specifically the Bengals who when facing them have to face the players, coaches, refs, and league. Remember no fine for Munchak attacking players on sidelines, Porter allowed on field in defensive huddle, Gio allowed to be knocked out with helmet to helmet hit while defensless, no td that was called a td in wildcard game. The list goes on and on. Just be glad you aren’t in the AFCN unless you are one of the darling two teams that are favored by the league. Sorry NE Fans. We know it’s not fair.

    If the league was fair the Ravens and Steelers would have been punished like NE was and has been. But they aren’t and they have no credibility because of it.

  44. I’ll bet all the fans of the 31 other teams wouldn’t mind if the Ravens lost a draft pick. Human nature.

  45. I wouldn’t complain just yet. The penalties for DEFLATEGATE are going to be overturned yet again. Ted Olsen and the brief sent by the dozen MIT and Stanford professors will easily correct the opinion of the two judges that there was “overwhelming evidence” against Brady.

    The NFLPA handled the appeal poorly.

  46. socalskins says:

    Who cares what fair weather Pats fans want? They will be gone as soon as Brady and Bellichick are retired. They are using deflate gate as an excuse to jump ship. The team should have moved to St. Louis instead of selling to Kraft. Boston fans are obnoxious front runners when it comes to the NFL. It will go back to being a baseball and basketball first town.
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    Boston and New England have always been a baseball and hockey area, not a basketball area.

    Outside of four years with essentially no owners, the Patriots have had a large and loyal fanbase since the mid-70s. The succeeded before Belichick and Brady, and they will succeed after them.

  47. slick50ks says:
    May 27, 2016 1:01 PM

    Is there a single thing this low character franchise doesn’t whine and cry about?
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    What do you expect with a whining crying coach like Harbaugh?

  48. No I don’t. I’m a fan of the Patriots but I’m not a fan of the crazy out of control despotism of Goodell. I hardly think the way to curtail his power is have him start whacking other teams for petty things like this. I’d rather see the league band together and refuse to allow him to keep playing judge jury and executioner as a little fife lord out on the prairie.

  49. No. As a Patriots fan I do not wish to see draft picks taken from the Ravens. Two wrongs do not make a right. What I want to see is Roger Goodell and is inept, corrupt office out of the matter of player and team discipline. They are too incompetent and too agenda driven. Half a million dollars??? The Ravens may not have been hammered as ridiculously as Deflategate they certainly were punished beyond the scale of reason.

  50. I’m a Patriots fan, and yes, this irritates me. It irritates me because this has been a 16 month crap fight that should have never happened. I understand that the NFL didn’t understand the ideal gas law when they “busted” that Pats that night. And I’m not even mad that they started the whole investigation. I’m pissed off that after the science was explained, they continued to prosecute (persecute?) Tom Brady (GOAT). All they had to do was admit they were wrong. But no, they are still fighting, and it isn’t even the fact that they were wrong, but it is all about their power now. So yes, when I see another team get the bargained for penalty for a violation of the integrity of the game (yes it is according to RG), then I’m pissed off.

    NFL, when you are wrong, admit you were wrong. Take your lumps like a man and move on. But no, you are not men.

  51. That’s the standard punishment. I believe the Seahawks got that a couple of years ago when a competition got too heated and a fight almost broke out.

  52. The fact that the Patriots have been unjustly punished for something that “more probably than not” never happened is no reason for the Ravens or any other teams to be unjustly punished too.

  53. Was there a poll showing “Patriots fans want the Ravens to lose a draft pick?” Because I don’t remember voting? Or does PFT simply speak on behalf of what all Patriots fans want now?

    Couldn’t you say the Chiefs, Saints, Falcons, Steelers, Broncos, Cowboys or Redskins would like to see the Ravens lose a draft pick? Pretty much any team that’s as themselves lost a pick.

    But then I guess 1,000 trolls wouldn’t click on the article. Ah…I see…

  54. Another Pats fan, and I absolutely do not think the Ravens should have received a stricter punishment. I think what punishment they got was unfair. I wish reporters would realize that not all Pats fans are zealots. We all realize the Patriots and Brady got jobbed by the league, but how does over-punishing another team help in that regard?

    This is (another) ridiculous rule anyway. Just another chance for the NFL front office to flex their muscles against the teams.

    I mean really… Who cares if they put some pads on their rookies in an OTA. Fining any team almost 1/2 a million dollars for a BS rule violation is ludicrous. The NFL Is ridiculous.

  55. wetookavote says:
    May 27, 2016 1:22 PM
    How many different ways can this site show that the Pats have the most hypocritical fan base in sports? Stay tuned….
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    “Hypocritical?” How so? Seriously, please explain.

    I think the gist of most of the comments I’ve read are that Pats fans feel Goodell’s “industrial justice” is completely arbitrary and out of control.

    Stuff like this, the Chiefs tampering, Falcons artificial crowd noise and yes, even “Deflategate” (not even proven) should frankly be a slap on the wrist.

    Goodell reserves the lightest punishment for wife beaters. Rog has no issues with those guys.

  56. Well the punishment for an equipment violation is a fine and that didn’t stop Goodell from over stepping that one did it???

  57. Dear Patriots Fans, worry less about the Ravens and little more about me…

    — Eli Manning

    Kiss his rings Pats fans and quit your whining

  58. Not all pats fans … Me and my group of friends thought this was dumb. Just cuz I think try pats punishment was overboard doesn’t mean I want another team to get bogus penalties , even if they are a rival team. Lots of my friends feel the same way. Putting football players in pads even if the time of year isnt right should not be punished that it’s absurd I’m glad the Ravens didn’t get anything serious

  59. simplec72 says:
    May 27, 2016 1:01 PM
    How many pounds has the deflator lost now? Maybe he could be the new Subway spokesman?

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    Yeah, that was a wacky explanation. I shook my head when I heard it. It was stupid whoever tried putting out that explanation, whether it was McNally, the Pat’s themselves or I even heard Kraft repeat it.

    But I also couldn’t help noticing that he only used that term once ever and it was in a single text done in May of 2014, which was in the offseason before McNally started working with the team. So while I still in no way buy the story that the comment was a reference to weight loss I know if it was in May of 2014 it wasn’t about game balls either.

  60. Kaz says:
    May 27, 2016 1:26 PM
    League favors the Ravens and the Steelers. Tough for AFCN teams specifically the Bengals who when facing them have to face the players, coaches, refs, and league. Remember no fine for Munchak attacking players on sidelines, Porter allowed on field in defensive huddle, Gio allowed to be knocked out with helmet to helmet hit while defensless, no td that was called a td in wildcard game. The list goes on and on. Just be glad you aren’t in the AFCN unless you are one of the darling two teams that are favored by the league. Sorry NE Fans. We know it’s not fair.

    If the league was fair the Ravens and Steelers would have been punished like NE was and has been. But they aren’t and they have no credibility because of it.

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    Oh, so the article had it wrong. It’s the Bengals fans that wanted it. That makes more sense now.

    As a Patriots fan I think the Ravens got a raw deal. It was five freaking minutes. (The video confirms that time) there was no actual contact and so I do think it’s possible Harbaugh did think he was ok (thought maybe pushing it, but ok). I think with that possibility the league should have simply given a warning clarifying the rule and no other penalty. If Harbaugh does it again hammer him sure, but this first time should just have been a warning.

    Anyone wanting suspensions and draft picks most be smoking some goid stuff. Maybe I am finding out there is a reason to visit Cincinatti after all.

  61. lmao

    eli manning won 2 sb rings by closing his eyes and hoping for the best.

    comical.

    worst sb winner in sb history next to trent dilfer

  62. boston cheaters fans also want a Super Bowl that is not tainted with a cheating scandal, but that is not going to happen either.

  63. Fair weather huh? You aren’t one of the guys that packed (Packed!) the freezer bowl (aka Schaeffer Stadium in late December) cheering wildly because their team finally got a first down….in the third quarter. Still got my old Patriots jacket.

    As far as the rest of your post…
    Jimmy Garappolo – 15 year GOAT
    Steve Belichick – outcoaches his father.
    Jonathan Kraft – already just as good at this stuff as his father

  64. why do pats fans keep saying brady was suspended for a rules violation?

    he was suspended for impeding the investigation and destroying evidence

  65. This Pats fan wasn’t looking for the Ravens to get stung. I was watching to see if Goodell had the stones to over react again. Bisciotti and Goodell quickly threw water on this to keep Roger Dodgeer from another mess.

  66. NinersRule says:
    May 27, 2016 1:31 PM
    When the Ravens cheat for 12-15 years straight we can talk…

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    You had to open your mouth and say that huh? Ok, start talking

    If you want to talk about the Niners instead that’s ok too.

  67. 46namredyps11 says:
    May 27, 2016 4:48 PM
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    Trying for a record here? Most trolls fed with a single post?

  68. tylawspick6 says:
    May 27, 2016 4:28 PM
    lmao

    eli manning won 2 sb rings by closing his eyes and hoping for the best.

    comical.

    worst sb winner in sb history next to trent dilfer

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    I’m a Pat’s fan that hated every minute of that. But Let’s be honest, here are the two important excerpts from your post the rest is noise….

    “Eli manning won 2 SB rings” and “SB winner”.

    Patriots fans get treated to so much winning its no problem facing and accepting the few times it goes the other way. Kudos to Eli for pulling that off.

  69. Those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Your franchise is the poster boys for cheating in professional sports. Clean up your own yard before you point out how lousy others is.

  70. You know what would be even more awesome?

    If no team ever got hit by the Goodell Random-Punishment Hammer. Why?

    Cause that would mean the teams and the fans would have finally smartened up enough to realize Goodell and his posse in the NFL needs to never be in a 100 yard range of anything relating to football ever again. Like a legit court ordered separation distance.

    It’s so unfortunate that jealousy and hatred of the Patriots so cloud the minds of fans that they can’t see the damage he’s doing. Or even worse, they can, but they still don’t care…

  71. Mike Florio is telling you (pats fans) get over yourself and don’t flatter yourself.

    Patriot cheating been going on years, and there multi ways for patriot to get created cheating ideas.

    Raven is just dumb blind, not realizing the rules, which they all just hyped up to play.

    There 2 huge differences between Pat and Raven.

    Patriots will be forever remembered by their cheating scandals for centuries.

  72. tylawspick6 says:
    May 27, 2016 4:22 PM
    arrest, try and convict goodell.

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    May 27, 2016 4:28 PM
    lmao

    eli manning won 2 sb rings by closing his eyes and hoping for the best.

    comical.

    worst sb winner in sb history next to trent dilfer
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    Tylaw need to be banned from this site.. Spamming hates everyday, whining, and basically so much hatred toward to any teams that goes against his “Precious Patriots”

    TyLaw got very poor sportmanship, and low IQs.

  73. simplegodfather says:
    May 27, 2016 6:24 PM
    tylawspick6 says:
    May 27, 2016 4:22 PM
    arrest, try and convict goodell.

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    May 27, 2016 4:28 PM
    lmao

    eli manning won 2 sb rings by closing his eyes and hoping for the best.

    comical.

    worst sb winner in sb history next to trent dilfer
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    Tylaw need to be banned from this site.. Spamming hates everyday, whining, and basically so much hatred toward to any teams that goes against his “Precious Patriots”

    TyLaw got very poor sportmanship, and low IQs.

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    I called out the disrespect to Eli in an earlier comment. As a Pat’s fan I respect and admire Eli and the Giants for beating us. (Why? Because that’s football, that’s why) so I agree no hate is needed.

    As for his sentiment on Goodell I am not sure what you find wrong with it.

    Your own comment isn’t the freindliest thing I have ever read either. Just sayin’

  74. simplegodfather says:
    May 27, 2016 6:21 PM
    Mike Florio is telling you (pats fans) get over yourself and don’t flatter yourself.

    Patriot cheating been going on years, and there multi ways for patriot to get created cheating ideas.

    Raven is just dumb blind, not realizing the rules, which they all just hyped up to play.

    There 2 huge differences between Pat and Raven.

    Patriots will be forever remembered by their cheating scandals for centuries.

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    So they will remember us for centuries? That’s so cool!

  75. 6allsohard6more says:
    May 27, 2016 3:17 PM
    Ravens crime(putting players in pads for 5mins) Pats crime(well known cheaters) can’t compare the two.

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    Can’t help but to notice that for the Ravens you had something proven you could put down, but for the Patriots you couldn’t do that so you just implied without facts. Well played sir.

  76. But was it blatant?

    Perhaps the proper penalty should have forced the Ravens to allow their opponents to film their practices and play with legal footballs instead of their nerf counterparts.

  77. wetookavote says:
    May 27, 2016 1:22 PM
    How many different ways can this site show that the Pats have the most hypocritical fan base in sports? Stay tuned….

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    Well, if I read down this comments section the concensus of the Patriots fan commenters appears to be that they think Ravens should have gotten a lesser punishment than they did. I even see some of them expressing outright anger at Goodell for punishing the Ravens unfairly. So your point was?

  78. The real losers here are the young players who will miss a week of reps. This will make it harder for them to take a veterans job. Somehow I think the NFLPA is smiling.

  79. simplegodfather says:
    May 27, 2016 6:24 PM
    Tylaw need to be banned from this site.. Spamming hates everyday, whining, and basically so much hatred toward to any teams that goes against his “Precious Patriots”

    TyLaw got very poor sportmanship, and low IQs.
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    This is America, he is as entitled to express his mistaken opinions as you are to express yours.
    When calling out someone else’s boorishness it is usually considered best not to display your own in the process. You routinely post plenty of less than factual venom here yourself.

    @tylawspick6, I am a Giants fan. Tyree’s catch may have been lucky but Eli’s throw into damn good coverage under pressure was not nor was his reading the matchup on Burress and making the adjustment for the go ahead TD. The Manningham catch was a thing of beauty and Eli escaped the grasp of 3 separate defenders to throw it. The Giants won those 2 SB’s by holding the best offense the NFL had ever seen to that point to 14 & 17 points. There was nothing lucky about it. You demean your own team by inferring otherwise. For a guy that cries about mistreatment & disrespect you certainly show plenty. You could learn a lot from greenlargo and several other Pats fans on this thread

  80. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Ravens got punishment that is more appropriate than what the Patriots or Chiefs got. But, ya know, I’m just whining. Have a nice season. And weekend.

  81. This is BS. Don’t lump all Patriots fans together. I think they were over punished. I can’t stand the Ravens but still stupid fine. Hardballs should really study that rule book.

  82. Behold the nonsense that King Roger doth leash upon the league.

    You made this mess, Rog.

  83. Goodell’s arbitrary decisions are creating opposing camps. The Patriots, Saints and Chiefs have felt Goodell’s hard and excessive punishment. The Jets (Revis tampering) and Ravens (pads offense) get off relatively easily. There’s no middle ground here, and the owners are going to have to pick sides. Goodell is inviting a civil war.

  84. The Ravens are whiners an Godell’s brown nosers. Of course the get a pass on this. Like Tom Brady says, they need to read the rule book or an audio version if the can’t read.

  85. spartan01 says:
    May 27, 2016 11:50 AM
    Throwing down controversy between two teams who love to hate each other. What’s the guess on total comments? I’m guessing over 80.

    109 8
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    It’s 11 at the time I write this. And you got 109 likes for your own comment. But it was not via the troll fest they were trying for (a troll fest would have been over 200 by now too). Instead there were a lot of Patriots fans posting to say that was absolutely not how they felt. They did no Ravens love fest or anything, but they did see the unfairness and disliked it even if it’s on a rival.

    The few spicy comments looked like they were all just from guys that simply read the headline then skipped the article or reading other comments so they could get right to throwing down. And any article gets a crop of those so whatever.

  86. Truth is, NE fans just wanted to see Goodell screw up (overreact or downplay) again. That he chose to favor the Ravens in his decision is no surprise to anybody in NE.

  87. youknowiknowitall says:
    May 28, 2016 9:24 AM
    Truth is, NE fans just wanted to see Goodell screw up (overreact or downplay) again. That he chose to favor the Ravens in his decision is no surprise to anybody in NE.

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    You think the Ravens got off easy? NE fans disagree with you, most here are saying the Ravens got it too tough. My own take is no fine no lost OTAs. Since there was no actual contact (just tried on their pads for 5 min) a warning to advise them (and everyone else) that even just trying on the pads is not ok would have been the most appropriate response. If they ignore the warning, that’s when it would have been time to punish.

  88. Who cares what fair weather Pats fans want? They will be gone as soon as Brady and Bellichick are retired. They are using deflate gate as an excuse to jump ship. The team should have moved to St. Louis instead of selling to Kraft. Boston fans are obnoxious front runners when it comes to the NFL. It will go back to being a baseball and basketball first town.
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    One or two winnings seasons of fans are called frontrunners… when a team is dominant over a span of twenty year’s that’s called greatness and fans are used to that. The first 40 Patriots years were mostly disappointing seasons, but, many die hard fans stayed true to their team. With six Super Bowl appearances and only one losing season in those twenty years, Patriots fans are used to winning and expect the team to be good. When and if the Patriots turn into your crappy team, their fans will still be rooting for them!

    Oh, just a reminder of how good it’s been as a New England sports fans over two decades.

    4 Super Bowl Championships
    3 World Series Championships
    1 Stanley Cup Championship
    1 NBA Championship

    I can see why you are jealous of us!

  89. Arbitrary rules arbtrary penalties and a corrupt commisioner sounds like the NFL to me. We never had these problems with the last commisioner. Nobody asked to strip the commisoners power because he wasnt misusing and abusing his power.

  90. I personally did NOT want the Ravens to lose a draft pick nor did I think the Chiefs should lose a pick.

    But as a wise man said above, we just want fair and equal treatment – and we’re not getting it from Goodeel. Is royally ticking off team’s fanbases one at a time in his charter? New Orleans, New England, St. Louis, Kansas City…who’s next in the Kangaroo Court ?

  91. greenlargo says:
    May 28, 2016 11:42 AM
    youknowiknowitall says:
    May 28, 2016 9:24 AM
    Truth is, NE fans just wanted to see Goodell screw up (overreact or downplay) again. That he chose to favor the Ravens in his decision is no surprise to anybody in NE.

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    You think the Ravens got off easy? NE fans disagree with you, most here are saying the Ravens got it too tough. My own take is no fine no lost OTAs. Since there was no actual contact (just tried on their pads for 5 min) a warning to advise them (and everyone else) that even just trying on the pads is not ok would have been the most appropriate response. If they ignore the warning, that’s when it would have been time to punish.
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    I didn’t say “the Ravens got off easy”. Those are your words. If you want to “read” what I didn’t write and misconstrue my meaning so that others may agree with you, be my guest. But I was expecting that the readers of my comment would just read my words. No more, no less.

  92. Oops, quote should have been “That he chose to favor the Ravens with his decision” (typing in a line in the airport, TSA is killing me here)

  93. iamedreed says:
    May 27, 2016 4:55 PM

    why do pats fans keep saying brady was suspended for a rules violation? he was suspended for impeding the investigation and destroying evidence
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    Actually, that is not correct.

    Here is what Troy Vincent wrote to Brady when notifying him of his suspension: “The Commissioner has authorized me to inform you of the discipline that, pursuant to his authority under Article 46 of the CBA, has been imposed on you for your role in the use of under-inflated footballs by the Patriots in this year’s AFC Championship Game.”

    Clearly, the NFL has shown it can do one thing well. It can manipulate the public. First, it commissioned a report that it used to convince people that the Patriots had tampered with footballs, and that Tom Brady was “generally aware” of the tampering. Then, a review of the Wells Report by reputable scientists showed that the loss of psi was completely natural and thus tampering couldn’t be “more probable than not” as stated in the report. With the basis for Brady’s punishment debunked (how can one be aware … generally or otherwise … of something that didn’t happen?), the NFL revised history and declared that Brady had been disciplined for orchestrating a scheme, for impeding an investigation, and for destroying his phone.

    Not everyone fell for this bait and switch tactic, but a lot of folks did. So, I have a request of all those who want Brady to “man up” to something that never happened. Read Vincent’s letter and see for yourself the reason for Brady’s discipline. Then, you can man up and admit it. You’ve been played for a fool!

  94. The Ravens broke an esoteric rule that had no effect on the outcome of a single football game. In this sense, it is exactly the same as what the Pats were accused of.

    The major difference between both cases is we know the Ravens infraction actually took place. Not even Ted Wells would say we know for a fact that the Patriots alleged infraction ever happened.

  95. greenlargo says:
    May 28, 2016 11:42 AM

    You think the Ravens got off easy? NE fans disagree with you, most here are saying the Ravens got it too tough. My own take is no fine no lost OTAs. Since there was no actual contact (just tried on their pads for 5 min) a warning to advise them (and everyone else) that even just trying on the pads is not ok would have been the most appropriate response. If they ignore the warning, that’s when it would have been time to punish.
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    The Ravens are repeat offenders of the same rule, so any penalty they received is justified.

    They were just trying their pads on for 5 minutes? Seriously?

  96. Stop with the “equipment violation” nonsense. It wasn’t a matter of wearing a pink ribbon on the uniform, or having improperly colored shoes. The reason why the reaction from the league was so strong is that it was a matter involving the actual FOOTBALL, the most symbolic aspect of the sport and the league.

    And, yes, the league absolutely and incompetently bungled every aspect of the sting, the aftermath, the discipline, media communication and anything else involved. Yes, the Patriots were unfairly punished, in the context of the American sense of justice and our concept of due process.

    BUT

    League incompetence doesn’t exonerate Brady or the Patriots, it doesn’t definitively prove they never did anything untoward with game balls. Now, if Pats fans were less arrogant and smug about the whole thing, they’d have a LOT more people on their side. Instead, this site and others keep churning out blurbs about anything Patriots-related because lots of fans want to bash Pats fans and make them defend their precious boy.

    Also, stop saying that “the deflator” was a one-time, offseason thing. It is true they only found one text message, but it is just as possible that it was a term used daily for months or years, and after its first appearance where it could be recorded, the other guy told him in person not to make such blatant references when using their phones. You have enough to point to without bending logic for every little tidbit of the saga.

  97. hehateme2 says:
    May 27, 2016 2:17 PM
    Pats* fans forget that Goodell covered up for them BIG TIME during SpyGate.

    Can’t have it both ways…. you had been warned.
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    I don’t think you understand what “cover up” means. If an incident is widely dissected in the media from it’s inception to almost a decade later, it hasn’t been “covered up.”

    If you’re going to say “We didn’t get to see the tapes,” how often does the public get to see evidence from NFL investigations? We didn’t get to see all the documentation of the Chiefs tampering. Does that mean the NFL is covering up even worse behavior by KC?

    I’ll give you an example of a league cover up: Try finding any information on Scott Miller, the league employee who was stealing items intended for charity auctions. There’s no information available of how long he was doing this, how much money he was making, if anyone was working with him, etc. The story was completely buried.

  98. riderspantherssk says:
    May 27, 2016 12:04 PM
    Comparing a team that broke rules in a conference championship game and a team that broke a much different rule in May is the longest of stretches. The Ravens do have a history of pushing boundaries in OTAs, but the fact that this happened in the middle of the offseason, rather than during a playoff game is a distinction worth noting and considering when meting out punishment in these cases.

    Sort of like cherry picking a text from months prior to the season and deciding it meant taking air out of footballs?

  99. simplec72 says:
    May 27, 2016 1:01 PM
    How many pounds has the deflator lost now? Maybe he could be the new Subway spokesman?-

    _ Google

    NFL network deflate video and you’ll see how ridiculous you’re comment really is.

    The league’s own network featured a video that refers to weight loss deflation. Guess it’s not that much of a reach now is it?

  100. johnwaldron8 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 4:57 PM
    hehateme2 says:
    May 27, 2016 2:17 PM
    Pats* fans forget that Goodell covered up for them BIG TIME during SpyGate.

    Can’t have it both ways…. you had been warned.
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    I don’t think you understand what “cover up” means. If an incident is widely dissected in the media from it’s inception to almost a decade later, it hasn’t been “covered up.”

    If you’re going to say “We didn’t get to see the tapes,” how often does the public get to see evidence from NFL investigations? We didn’t get to see all the documentation of the Chiefs tampering. Does that mean the NFL is covering up even worse behavior by KC?

    I’ll give you an example of a league cover up: Try finding any information on Scott Miller, the league employee who was stealing items intended for charity auctions. There’s no information available of how long he was doing this, how much money he was making, if anyone was working with him, etc. The story was completely buried.

    And this was the genesis of framegate BTW. Rather than deal with an actual crime, Harbaby cried to his buddies that Tommy said he was dumb for not reading the rule book. Once the sting was underway, they had to play it out so no one would suspect it was a setup all along.

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