Patriots won’t say whether John Jastremski has been fired

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Last September, on the heels of the initial court ruling that scrapped quarterback Tom Brady’s suspension, the Patriots separately secured the reinstatement of John Jastremski and Jim McNally, the equipment employees whose Beavis-and-Butthead text messages became the only real evidence of consequence in the #Deflategate investigation.

It’s possible that, not long after Jastremski returned, he left again.

Ben Volin of the Boston Globe delves into the question of whether the Patriots fired Jastremski last season, starting with an offhand comment from (who else?) comedian Jim Breuer and ending with the team declining to respond to a pair of inquiries from Volin as to Jastremski’s status.

Breuer says he met Jastremski in Cancun during the 2015 season. The meeting apparently happened on November 9, one day after the Patriots hosted Washington. With no bye the following weekend, Jastremski whereabouts on an in-season Monday raise obvious questions as to whether he was indeed still employed.

By not answering the simple question of whether Jastremski still works for the team, the Patriots necessarily have fueled speculation about the status of the guy who was primarily responsible for preparing footballs — and who along with McNally was accused by the league of running the deflation racket. If Jastremski is gone, that in turn fuels speculation as to whether the Patriots privately have concluded that he was indeed guilty.

It makes sense for the Patriots to keep things quiet with Brady’s federal litigation still pending. Then again, it would have made sense to keep Jastremski employed until the lawsuit and all appeals conclude.

The answer could be (emphasis on could) that Jastremski technically hasn’t been let go but that the Patriots have put him on paid leave pending the outcome of Brady’s case. If Breuer hadn’t blown Jastemski’s cover, no one would have ever known the difference.

Does any of it matter to Brady’s suspension? Perhaps. Like the brief submitted by 21 professor to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit harping on the Ideal Gas Law (a principle technically irrelevant to the case at this point in the process), it’s the kind of collateral fact that could get the attention of the black-robed individuals who will be making a nuanced application of convoluted legal principles to a hotly-contested factual pattern.

In English, it means that the Patriots probably wish Breuer had communicated in goat when asked about Jastremski.

199 responses to “Patriots won’t say whether John Jastremski has been fired

  1. And now we get the Patsies fans talking about Ideal Gas Law and how Tommy Boy would never cheat. Yep…everyone I know calls themselves the “Deflator” when they’re trying to lose weight. And I always destroy my cell phone when I’m being investigated for anything. Just makes sense, right Pats fans? Now thumb me down if you think Brady is a cheater!

  2. irishtony85 says:
    May 30, 2016 10:49 AM

    If I were this guy, I would sign a book deal and net millions depicting the Patriots’ cheating ways.
    *******

    Problem is…if he keeps his mouth shut, I bet he remains on the Patriots payroll for life!

  3. Funny how no one is asking why an interaction that happened 6 months ago became news 2 days after the Congressional report on the NIH study was released.

    Keep swallowing the kool-aid, haters.

  4. Actually there is plenty to see.

    The behaviors of the Pats with these two guys is very suspicious. That doesn’t make them guilty and I will acknowledge that but it does allow for the topic to not die off.

    As for the suspension…
    Do it… Or don’t. At this point I don’t care. tB’s legacy is set and an all time great (I hate to term all time greatest due to so many differing variables between generations of the game) but he is what he is.

    And if you think he’s innocent, you will no matter what and if you think he’s guilty, only damning evidence to prove otherwise will change your mind

  5. I heard the interview with Jim Breuer on WEEI last week. He told the story that he was reading a story about the incident and a guy comes up to him and claims to be that guy. The guy in the story. Ya, that’s proof huh. Please. Good job firing up the haters and trolls Florio. Just doing your job, I know. Now can we get back to science at some point?

  6. Only 1 text from May of 2015 mentions deflator, if jastremski was involved don’t you think he’d be selling his story if he were fired? Getting news from a comedien is only gospel for the haters, to most rational people including 21 scientists of renown know the reality of this issue. If good ell gives the team a fine for an equipment violation this is over. Instead 20 million later this story is still polluting the news and meanwhile CTE funding is being diverted away by NFL because they can’t control the narrative like they could with a minuscule amount of psi in a ball. If NFL fans can’t see through the ridiculousness of how the NFL mishandled this case then you are truly a biased hater.

  7. You’ve got a chance to talk to Deflategate’s Lee Harvey Oswald and you say nothing to see?

    Nothing to see? Really? Really. I’d love to have anyone interview this guy, especially someone strong.

    I would also consider witness protection, a book deal and some sunglasses.

  8. Doesn’t look like the way you treat a guy who you want to keep as happy as possible. Looks like they could care less what he says. But lets keep logic out of this.

  9. So how is The Deflator McNally’s weight loss regimen coming?
    You’d think such a key player in all this would get more press time.
    So, has he lost any weight or is he still a fat bastard?
    Inquiring minds want to know…

  10. Honesty and integrity are not words you see used in the Patriot Nation. Lies and deception is what this team has been about.

  11. baldy55 says:
    May 30, 2016 11:00 AM

    Was he the fat guy Deflator or the guy that let the air out of the footballs?
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    Jim McNally is the “fat guy,” and he also is the one alleged to have slipped into the bathroom to let air out of the footballs.

    John Jastremski is the guy who prepared footballs prior to delivering them to game officials. He had no access to the footballs once they were turned over.

    This also is a terrific example of little some folks know about the actual facts of this case.

  12. You guys don’t think there’s any chance they need more time to get their lies straight or destroy any more cell phone evidence do you ?

  13. irishtony85 says:
    May 30, 2016 10:49 AM
    If I were this guy, I would sign a book deal and net millions depicting…
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    If you were that guy and wrote a book you would not only lose the proceeds but everything else you own. Like every other team in the league all of their contracts have non disclosure agreements. Anyone that goes on about spygate or cheating ways should be familiar enough with that from Matt Walsh making a lot of noise about needing to be protected and indemnified before talking. He milked it like a cow and then when NE called it by waiving the disclosure Walsh produced…nothing of consequence.

    The contents of the text messages between Jastremski and McNally didn’t show anything that indicated a conspiracy to deflate footballs but they did show they may have been a little light fingered with some gear.

  14. Only 1 text from May of 2015 mentions deflator, if jastremski was involved don’t you think he’d be selling his story if he were fired?


    Oh anyone with a brain knows that. Hmmm. Its obvious what that says about Patriot Hater.

    🙂

  15. When will Patriot Hater finally be honest and admit that the 4 time World Champions are better than their puny inferior little weakling team in every aspect of the sport?

    Just be honest for once. The truth shall set you free.

  16. Media does this a lot. Patriots organization doesn’t answer questions, so media members just make stuff up and use a non-answer as justification for their speculation.

  17. I was figuring Memorial Day weekend was going to be slow. Most people just want to kick back and rest for a bit. So wasn’t expecting all that much this weekend and realized I was right when there were four articles on the Ryan brothers.
    But then this comes up. Come on Mike. That’s a Adam Schefter article if I ever read one. I’m disappointed Mike. You are better than that. Or at least you used to be.

  18. the reality of deflagate like all realities is that there is opinion and there is universal law.

    i guess the haters are entitled to their opinions but a natural law says that the balls weren’t deflated.

    a natural is the kind of thing that makes apples that fall from tree’s hit the ground and make inflated objects lose pressure when cooled.

    believe what you must but spare us the spectacle of your imature hissy fit, a mind is too beuatiful a thing to waste.

  19. It’s the case cracker! Jim Breuer ran into Jastremski on vacation (which is most likely not true and can’t be proven ) Brady’s guilty. This just adds to the mountain of evidence: Brady upgrading his cell phone to an iPhone 6, equipment guy using the urinal, The texts between equipment guys saying that Brady was mad that the Jets game football was not of regulation inflation standard, Brady playing better in the Colts game after the balls were reinflated, the colts footballs coming in under regulation, the NFL stopping testing at 4 of colts balls after they realized the colts footballs were under also, the fake news stories released saying 11/12 footballs were significantly under inflated. This has so much so called over whelming evidence that is suppose to be against Brady but the evidence is such a stretch and insane that it honestly can be used to help Brady that’s how big of a joke Deflategate is.

  20. Is the ‘cheat/lie/cover-it-up’ mentality so ingrained in New England that you can’t give a simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to “Does Whatsisface work for you?”

    You couldn’t try much harder to make yourself look like you are up to shenanigans, whether you actually are or not in this instance.

  21. Way too much suspicion and actual evidence. By the way, Innocent people accused of crimes or mis-doings scream at the top of their lungs that they are innocent! They do not smash their only evidence that can exonerate them! They do not hide from media… they do the opposite. These Ball Boys (Men) are being paid to shut up and hide. Brady really went about his all wrong. Had he just turned his phone over this might have gone away with a Fine and been long forgotten about, Cheating or Not! The Witch Hunt that the Cheatriot Loyals are complaining about is because of brash non-compliance, not the the actual ball deflation.

  22. beachsidejames says:
    May 30, 2016 11:12 AM

    Honesty and integrity are not words you see used in the Patriot Nation. Lies and deception is what this team has been about.
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    Ya jimmie, you’d say that. What you won’t say is how horrible that stinkhole franchise in Miami is. Last Super Bowl win in the early 70’s. One SB appearance with arguably the best pure passing QB in the history of the league and winningest coach of all time running the show. But hey, hang your hat on a couple of meaningless wins while the Pats were resting up for deep playoff runs while your team was polishing the golf clubs for a nice long off season. That really chafe’s your butt doesn’t it? Well good, it should. I too would lash out against the bane of my existence with complete horsebleep. Have a nice day jimmie.

  23. This is the America we live in today. Trolls believe goat boy and deny science. You really can’t fight stupid.

  24. The Pat’s have like what, 30 press guys covering the team? Most of these guys notice if a players jock is askew. Now you’re trying to say no one noticed a guy tied to a years long investigation is not there?

    Of course they noticed, and of course the guy has not been in the building. He’s living the good life on Tommy Girl’s dime and will be for the rest of his life.

  25. When will Patriot Hater finally be honest and admit that the 4 time World Champions are better than their puny inferior little weakling team in every aspect of the sport?

    Just be honest for once. The truth shall set you free.
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    How did the “mighty” Pats perform against that puny Broncos team last year? I don’t remember. Pats fans, please refresh my memory. Thanks

  26. So if he’s innocent as Pats fans keep screaming and hollering about , why would he be fired ? The shell game continues.

  27. Being a fan of the 4 time World Champions, winners of more Super Bowls than any NFL team in the last 25 years, winners of more games this century than any NFL team, home of the greatest quarterback and coach in history, home of the greatest organization in history, home of the best fans in sports and the undisputed paragon of excellence in the modern NFL or to be quite frank in any sport at any time….. it really is an honor and a privilege 🙂 In other words…it’s GREAT to be king!

    Don’t be so salty Patriot Hater… you too are lucky to witness historical greatness such as the 4 time World Champions in your lifetimes.

    🙂

  28. I find it fascinating that many of the same people I know who are calling Tom Brady “cheater” and other choice words, are backing Hillary Clinton in the Presidential race.
    If that isn’t an irony, I don’t know what is.
    If they had a Liars Hall Of Fame, she’d be a charter member.

  29. laxcoach37 says:
    May 30, 2016 11:33 AM
    Way too much suspicion and actual evidence. By the way, Innocent people accused of crimes or mis-doings scream at the top of their lungs that they are innocent! They do not smash their only evidence that can exonerate them! They do not hide from media… they do the opposite. These Ball Boys (Men) are being paid to shut up and hide.

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    The ‘way too much suspicion’ is hater noise.

    There is absolutely no actual evidence. Even Pash had to admit that.

    Anyone using their brain and/or listening to their lawyer (apparently you would do neither) does not scream anything at the top of their lungs or even open their mouth.

    How in the hell is a cell phone evidence to exonerate anyone of anything? Think about it.

    There was nothing to exonerate.

    Only an idiot doesn’t destroy their cell phone when they are done with it. Since you don’t, can I have it?

    As far as hiding from the media, they have said they know nothing about any deflation. what more are you expecting them to say. They can’t give you details on something they know nothing about because it never happened.

    Did you read the story? It doesn’t sound to me like these guys are being paid to be quiet about anything. In fact the Pat’s sound unconcerned about them spilling any beans. That’s the actions of someone that is very sure there are no beans to be spilled.

    the rest of you post was just a BS rant and something about how if people don’t participate witch hunts they must be witches.

  30. willycents says:
    May 30, 2016 11:47 AM
    When will Patriot Hater finally be honest and admit that the 4 time World Champions are better than their puny inferior little weakling team in every aspect of the sport?

    Just be honest for once. The truth shall set you free.
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    How did the “mighty” Pats perform against that puny Broncos team last year? I don’t remember. Pats fans, please refresh my memory. Thanks
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    Admirably considering more than half the starting offense was on IR. One missed extra point away from knocking off choking Peyton Manning at home with the best defense in football behind him. Ya, we lost. But seriously, how long will it take before it’s proven the Donkeys cheated again to win a Super Bowl. History shows it might take years but it’s absolutely in play and there’s no denying it. I can’t wait to hear Peytons story about the HGH. That’s just the start to the inevitable * Bronco fanboy.

  31. Brueur is full of it. He said the meeting happened in January, but the festival he talked about was in November. His own story isn’t even internally consistent, not to mention the silliness of the idea that Jastremski, who has been 100% tight lipped about this whole thing, decided to spout off to some random stranger on the beach in Mexico.

  32. The Ideal Gas Law IS relevant. If the deflation can be explained by this, then Goodell had no basis for a suspension. Therefore, he exceeded his authority. Moreover, “Deflategate” involved an equipment violation (if anything), which (under the CBA) is punishable by a fine. How do they get from an equipment violation to “conduct detrimental to the game”?

  33. rocketcharger says:
    May 30, 2016 11:48 AM
    We know you took the money Lebowski !
    (Cancun)

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    You can’t afford Cancun even? Do you have a job?

  34. Seriously. Why the heck hasn’t TMZ got to the bottom of this whole deflategate mess? C’mon TMZ, America turns it’s eye’s to you for the truth!!

  35. wells report contains grounds for termination unrelated to football air pressure.

    autographed merchandise has a cash value, and exchanging it for favors exposed dirty underbelly that probably goes on in 32 nfl locker rooms.

    the IRS might have considered both team and employee(s) to be avoiding tax

    getting permission to reinstate them as employees may have included permission to fire for violating terms of employment (participating in a scheme to avoid tax and expose employer to related consequences) — all completely unrelated to psi or the ideal gasbags who run the league.

  36. folkcrusader says:
    May 30, 2016 11:42 AM
    The Pat’s have like what, 30 press guys covering the team? Most of these guys notice if a players jock is askew. Now you’re trying to say no one noticed a guy tied to a years long investigation is not there?

    Of course they noticed, and of course the guy has not been in the building. He’s living the good life on Tommy Girl’s dime and will be for the rest of his life.

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    If you really believed that you would be writing your note to the IRS not here. If you had any truth you could put Brady in jail and don’t try to say you wouldn’t want to do that. But you ain’t writing that note because you know perfectly well that’s just BS you made up.

    Take heart, if it realy was happening the Brady will wind up in jail without your help. They would be all over that and the IRS is an organization the twists the knife as much as possible because they want the examples.

  37. laxcoach37 says:
    May 30, 2016 11:33 AM

    Innocent people accused of crimes or mis-doings scream at the top of their lungs that they are innocent! They do not smash their only evidence that can exonerate them!
    ___________________________________

    First of all, I’m pretty sure Brady has consistently declared that he is innocent of the tampering charge. So, I guess that must be evidence of his innocence.

    But, I’d like to make a request. Please provide an example of what might have been on Brady’s cell phone that could have exonerated him, keeping in mind that the absence of evidence of guilt is not proof of innocence.

  38. 21 scientists from across the country state in their brief to the appeals court :” This is not tampering. It is science”…..In the name of science , we support the petition for rehearing.”

    There was no tampering!

  39. irishtony85 says:
    May 30, 2016 10:49 AM
    If I were this guy, I would sign a book deal and net millions depicting the Patriots’ cheating ways.

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    You are absolutely right, if there were any cheating ways to write about this guy could make literally millions. The showstopper is that there really has to be something to write about. Otherwise he and his publisher are wide open for a lawsuit. Even if this guy was willing to lie he is going to have a bad time finding a publisher willing to go along with that. The few times someone has written books slandering someone with outright lies have not worked well. Truth a lot of publishers have looked hard at this case and spoken to the parties to see what there was for a big ticket exposee. Many news outlets too. That none of them have jumped on this tells you there really is nothing to write. It’s better to stick to the innuendo like this article does: “Pat’s won’t speak to personnel is that a sign of something nefarious? See how that’s a speculative question not a statement. That’s how they protect themselves. They know just floating the question allows people to believe what they want to believe and then they can get the advertising revenue. (So yeah, you haters are being had, and had good)

  40. Using the injury excuse to brush aside the victory of that team in the land of horses. Expected from tha team up North.

  41. Now that pats fans are experts in denial, they are demanding Jim Breuer be brought before Patriot/Brady’s attorneys and already have 5 investigators following him to discredit his character.

  42. Lie detector tests for Jastremski, McNally and Brady..

    End of Pats fan excuses…..

  43. The one thing that has consistently amazed me is the unlimited capacity of the Patriot fans to deny, ignore, or flat out refute the key facts of the case that work against them.

    They will never admit the Patriots are a cheating organization and will never admit that the internal culture promoting inside the organization is to justify their cheating ways.

    But we don’t need them to admit to it as long as the NFL catches them and inflicts the necessary punishment.

  44. Teams and players should be more transparent because the truth always comes out. For instance, the Broncos got caught paying their two best players (Elway and Davis) under the table to circumvent the salary cap. Von Miller got caught bribing a PED tester. Little Pey Pey got caught receiving HGH.

    I don’t know why guys and teams keep cheating and lying.

  45. To all non-patri*t fans – one thing Jim said on 98.5 toucher and rich’s show is that Jastremski was on vacation to get away from the death threats and harassment of new england fans. THINK about that next time you try and reason with the low life, low IQ cheat fans on this site.

  46. “BradyIsTheGCOAT says:
    May 30, 2016 1:28 PM
    To all non-patri*t fans – one thing Jim said on 98.5 toucher and rich’s show is that Jastremski was on vacation to get away from the death threats and harassment of new england fans. THINK about that next time you try and reason with the low life, low IQ cheat fans on this site.”


    I heard the entire interview and he said nothing of the sort! In fact he said that this guy (who may or may not have been Jastremski), had nothing but positive things to say about Brady. He raved about what a great guy he was and how hard it was to have to keep quiet (as in, if he talked it would help Brady), but the patriots do not allow any employees to speak to the press.

  47. Another thing, I have literally never heard anyone here in New England say a bad thing about JJ or McNally. They have done nothing but handle themselves with class and dignity.

  48. cornerstone2001 says:
    May 30, 2016 1:13 PM

    Lie detector tests for Jastremski, McNally and Brady..

    End of Pats fan excuses…..
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    You could probably save time and money by just asking Pash and Wells why none of their hours of questions and answers appear in the Pash report, and ask Roger why he chose not to have either of those two at the appeal hearing.

  49. TMZ reporting at its best…..
    Let’s just throw this out there even though NOTHING is for sure & see if a mountain can be made of a molehill….
    Worked for Deflate/Framegate so why not this as well???

  50. Its pathetic that anyone can deny that a 48 year old guy might want to take 90 seconds to relieve himself & wash his hands before watching a 2+ hour football game. Or being able to comprehend that leaving a bag of NFL footballs worth over $1200 unattended on the ground outside a bathroom, when they are going to be needed for a nationally televised game in a few minutes, while you take a leak might be a bad idea. (Occam’s razor suggests that he took a leak)

    Maybe the Colts were that that stupid and left their bag of footballs unattended on the other side of the field and “deflator” also found that bag and also deflated The Colts footballs in the same 90 seconds without leaving the bathroom on the opposite side of the football field.

  51. Goog points factpurveyor. It’s also been forgotten that the start of the game was delayed by 30 min due to the NFCG going to OT before the AFCCG.

    It’s TOTALLY understandable that the dude needed to take a leak, saw that the game was being delayed (and nobody knew hot long the delay would be) so he decided to take a peee.

  52. imodan says:
    May 30, 2016 12:35 PM
    Seriously. Why the heck hasn’t TMZ got to the bottom of this whole deflategate mess? C’mon TMZ, America turns it’s eye’s to you for the truth!!

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    Oh you can trust they tried. This is an organization not afraid to bend/break laws and throw money around to get stuff. If they could find anything, and I mean anything, that would allow them to say they uncovered Patriots cheating, especially Deflategate related, it would be the gold ring for them. One squirrelly interview, anything. There is no question they have tried and are still trying. The only reason for their silence is they don’t have anything as of yet. But still trying so feel free to kerp your hopes up.

  53. “If I were this guy, I would sign a book deal and net millions depicting the Patriots’ cheating ways.”

    How do you know he doesn’t already have the millions just by signing a confidentiality agreement with Kraft and is now living high on the hog not having to do anything?

  54. On the one hand Jim Breuer may be just another Jets fan, a la Roger Goodell and Mike Kensil, with a media soap box he can jump on to vent anger against the Patriots because his spying, tampering, tripping, k-balling, PEDS-ing, cheating Jets have been sucking for going on two generations now.

    OTOH, what job could the Pats have given Jastremski. As I understand it, after the NFL ordered the Pats to suspend the equipment guys, they also ordered the Pats not to give them back those particular jobs when the NFL lifted the suspension that they ordered. These guys were not Coaches, I am really not sure what they could continue to do for the Pats

  55. cornerstone2001 says:
    May 30, 2016 1:13 PM
    Lie detector tests for Jastremski, McNally and Brady..

    End of Pats fan excuses…..

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    Pat’s offered that. They also offered to gave them come testify at the hearing. It was the NFL that prevented those things because they didn’t want them.

    So it then could be an NFL excuse instead.

    And let’s be real, if they took and passed lie detectors you would still be making excuses.

  56. cornerstone2001 says:
    May 30, 2016 1:13 PM

    Lie detector tests for Jastremski, McNally and Brady..

    End of Pats fan excuses…..

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    Basically the same stupid argument that “If he would have just come clean, it all would have blown over”.

    Don’t kid yourself – Hater Nation wants blood to ease their pain, even when they never once cared about PSI before the AFCCG. I haven’t heard any one of the “Other 31” calling for the release of 2015 PSI data. Why is that?

  57. BradyIsTheGCOAT says:
    May 30, 2016 1:28 PM
    To all non-patri*t fans – one thing Jim said on 98.5 toucher and rich’s show is that Jastremski was on vacation to get away from the death threats and harassment of new england fans. THINK about that next time you try and reason with the low life, low IQ cheat fans on this site.
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    I seriously doubt any Patriot fans not personally familiar with Jastremski OR McNally would recognize them in public, let alone threaten their lives. Why would they? They did nothing wrong….

  58. leitskev says:
    May 30, 2016 12:13 PM
    Let’s not forget what else emerged from the Well’s Report: this guy was stealing equipment.

    Ahh, wasn’t that the guy in MD who was caught during the AFCDCG vs NE when they discovered missing K balls? Wasn’t that really what started this? What TB did wrong was to break formation and call out Harbaugh for not being able to keep up with NE’s formations. The payback was simple, call the Colts and tell them to keep an eye out for something funny with footballs. Someone knew McNally took a pre game leak and the setup was complete.

    The reason we know it’s a setup? They stopped testing Colts balls when they realized they hadn’t done their science homework.

    Anyone with a modicum of intelligence and basic science knowledge or any kid with a basketball in cold states knows the truth.

  59. leitskev says:
    May 30, 2016 12:13 PM
    Let’s not forget what else emerged from the Well’s Report: this guy was stealing equipment.

    Ahh, wasn’t that the guy in MD who was caught during the AFCDCG vs NE when they discovered missing K balls? Wasn’t that really what started this? What TB did wrong was to break formation and call out Harbaugh for not being able to keep up with NE’s formations. The payback was simple, call the Colts and tell them to keep an eye out for something funny with footballs. Someone knew McNally took a pre game leak and the setup was complete.

    The reason we know it’s a setup? They stopped testing Colts balls when they realized they hadn’t done their science homework.

    Anyone with a modicum of intelligence and basic science knowledge or any kid with a basketball in cold states knows the truth.

  60. BradyIsTheGCOAT says:
    May 30, 2016 1:28 PM
    To all non-patri*t fans – one thing Jim said on 98.5 toucher and rich’s show is that Jastremski was on vacation to get away from the death threats and harassment of new england fans. THINK about that next time you try and reason with the low life, low IQ cheat fans on this site.

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    Huh? He never said that. Never.

    And if the Patriots fans were what you say they are and he had done what you say he did, wouldn’t he be their darling?

    At least invent a lie that might somehow make sense.

  61. proat17052 says:
    May 30, 2016 1:54 PM
    “If I were this guy, I would sign a book deal and net millions depicting the Patriots’ cheating ways.”

    How do you know he doesn’t already have the millions just by signing a confidentiality agreement with Kraft and is now living high on the hog not having to do anything?

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    Because the IRS would have them both in jail?

  62. imodan says:

    This is the America we live in today. Trolls believe goat boy and deny science. You really can’t fight stupid.
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    The IGL is not “science.” It’s a hypothetical approximation that doesn’t apply to the air in footballs at 52 degrees in a football stadium.

  63. It is absolutely amazing how much attention this crap gets, yet it’s been ( 5 ) months since the article on Manning & others using HGH & the NFL has not interviewed one of them yet. I must admit they are doing a great job of killing it. Sad, really effin’ sad.

  64. If the Patriots are so vile and dirty, why hasn’t a single former player or coach (including known loudmouths like Rob Ryan or Randy Moss) ever said anything negative about the way they do things?

    Heck, they faced Hoyer in the playoffs. He was the backup to Brady for years. If they were cheating he would know. Why not expose it?

  65. factpurveyor says:
    May 30, 2016 1:48 PM
    Its pathetic that anyone can deny that a 48 year old guy might want to take 90 seconds to relieve himself & wash his hands before watching a 2+ hour football game. Or being able to comprehend that leaving a bag of NFL footballs worth over $1200 unattended on the ground outside a bathroom, when they are going to be needed for a nationally televised game in a few minutes, while you take a leak might be a bad idea. (Occam’s razor suggests that he took a leak)

    Maybe the Colts were that that stupid and left their bag of footballs unattended on the other side of the field and “deflator” also found that bag and also deflated The Colts footballs in the same 90 seconds without leaving the bathroom on the opposite side of the football field.

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    It’s funny because if he had left the bag outside the bathroom (hence unattended) the Colts fans would have something real they could cry about. I myself would have had to be in support of the Patriots fine that would have gotten them.

  66. If you are paying attention you would know that is with the team right now at the OTA along with all the guys. Know what is going on before you start talking.

  67. 2016StockMarketCrash says:
    May 30, 2016 1:47 PM
    Once again more coverups regarding pro sports biggest cheaters.
    Tainted Super Bowl titles with an asterisk mean nothing.:)

    ————————–

    Check NFL.COM, ESPN, CNN, Google, Yahoo Sports, FOX, MSNBC, CBS….and do it goes.

    No asterisks.

  68. Does it really matter? We’ve already seen that people who want Brady to be guilty have their arguments prepared for any scenario. If he was fired, he was obviously guilty. If he wasn’t fired, he’s still got his job because he’ll tell everything to the media otherwise. If he’s with the team, he’s being paid off to be there. If he’s not with the team, he’s being paid off to stay away. Whatever works for whichever way the wind is blowing that day, right?

  69. I guess these illogical Patriot detractors can’t relate to a guy planning a timely bathroom stop because they would never do such a thing themselves. Patriot detractors would always board airplanes or start long automobile trips without ever considering to stop in a bathroom.

    These logic deprived Patriot detractors would also do the same before a long movie, sporting event or live performance. Their logic would be “why pee now when I can always miss part of the show and pee later?” Except in this case the guy was working at the game so maybe missing part of the game was less of an option for him. Plus it was The Patriots vs. The Colts and any real fan of football knows that those games are usually worth watching. Unlike this guy, maybe you couldn’t pay Patriot detractors to watch a Patriots game.

  70. To all those still claiming Brady cheated…..why would he direct the ball boys to remove only 0.2PSI from each ball? And why were the Colts balls also under-inflated…..did Luck cheat too? If not, then what caused the Colts balls to be low?

    You see how silly this all is?

  71. 21 professors, not 21 scientists. Scientist that know the Ideal Gas Law, would also know that it doesn’t work for footballs because it requires constant volume.

  72. The Wells Report PROVES Brady and the Patriots are innocent, Wells simply had to ignore the gauge Anderson said he used, assume a much lower locker room temperature, ignore Colts Ball #3, assume an impossible starting point, ignore wells Transient analysis on the ball rubbing effect on psi at minute 55, ignore the exponent Appendix 2 for pressure readings but accept it for the time related issue, assume transient analysis on a ball sitting on an open air stand instead of in a bag of wet balls, ignore the frozen ground and that the Colts balls were in a bag instead of out, ignore that the Patriots had a 7 minute drive to end the half in driving rain while the Colts balls were in a bag, make believe on the timing of the Colts’ balls measurements. etc etc etc

    Wells would have a better chance winning the Powerball than all these ridiculous assumptions being accurate, in fact, it looks like none of them are correct.

  73. willycents says:
    May 30, 2016 11:47 AM
    When will Patriot Hater finally be honest and admit that the 4 time World Champions are better than their puny inferior little weakling team in every aspect of the sport?

    Just be honest for once. The truth shall set you free.
    —————————
    How did the “mighty” Pats perform against that puny Broncos team last year? I don’t remember. Pats fans, please refresh my memory. Thanks

    ——————————————–

    Refreshing your memory (which does not appear to retain well) – The Broncos beat The Patriots fair and square. They deserve huge applause for that because it was one hell of an accomplishment to beat a team like the mighty Patriots. Kudos and respect.

  74. mmack666 says:
    May 30, 2016 2:13 PM

    Yep, very doubtful 7 judges will agree to hear this silliness!
    ————————–

    Of course they aren’t going to hear whether or not Jastremski is still working with the Patriots.

    They will, however, hear a case involving a labor dispute.

  75. Overlooked in all this is that the AFCCG was delayed by 30 min due to the Sea/GB going to OT.

    Isn’t it totally understandable that McNally, who was waiting for the game to start with the bag of balls, to realize that it could be awhile. And isn’t it likely that he realized he had to pee and it literally could have been hours before the game started (if it went to multiple OTs) so he went into the bathroom and took a quick leak?

    I’m willing to bet thousands of others in the stadium that day took a pee when they realized the game was going to be delayed. I know I did.

  76. seahawkboymike says:
    May 30, 2016 2:04 PM
    imodan says:

    The IGL is not “science.” It’s a hypothetical approximation that doesn’t apply to the air in footballs at 52 degrees in a football stadium.
    ___________________________________

    If this is true, why did Exponent use the IGL in its testing and analysis when attempting to prove that tampering had taken place? If the IGL doesn’t apply, then Exponent’s “proof” of tampering is discredited.

  77. JJ and JM could never get their old duties back. They were permantly banned from being any where near the footballs. Isn’t possible, the Pats could have only offered him a job he didn’t want or left it because he didn’t like it? JM had a at least one run in with the NFL before deflategate. I think he was caught trying to bring in practice balls and insert them as gameballs. He was told then that the excuse he gave was weak and unacceptable. They basically game him a warning that another incident with the balls would be dealt with in much harsher measures. He took the footballs without permission, period. It doesn’t matter that it was done in in front of officials. He lied about using a urnial in the bathroom that does not have a urnial. He has severe credibility issues.

  78. Wouldn’t it be interesting if Jastremski was the one who ‘went to ESPN’?

    But to according to Jastremski, ‘Tom’s been very good to me’. Hey John, you should have a serious conversation with Bridget Moynahan about what Shady Brady’s promises are worth.

  79. guadalahonky says:
    May 30, 2016 2:55 PM

    Wouldn’t it be interesting if Jastremski was the one who ‘went to ESPN’?

    But to according to Jastremski, ‘Tom’s been very good to me’. Hey John, you should have a serious conversation with Bridget Moynahan about what Shady Brady’s promises are worth.
    ——————————

    Slander and innuendo? You must work for Goodell.

  80. factpurveyor says:
    May 30, 2016 1:48 PM

    Its pathetic that anyone can deny that a 48 year old guy might want to take 90 seconds to relieve himself & wash his hands before watching a 2+ hour football game. Or being able to comprehend that leaving a bag of NFL footballs worth over $1200 unattended on the ground outside a bathroom, when they are going to be needed for a nationally televised game in a few minutes, while you take a leak might be a bad idea. (Occam’s razor suggests that he took a leak).

    ——————————————————-

    Then please tell me what McNally was threatening to go to ESPN about? Don’t copy and paste some talking points from Patriot Nation, I can find those talking points anywhere.

  81. quizlingclinic says:
    May 30, 2016 2:07 PM

    If the Patriots are so vile and dirty, why hasn’t a single former player or coach (including known loudmouths like Rob Ryan or Randy Moss) ever said anything negative about the way they do things?

    Heck, they faced Hoyer in the playoffs. He was the backup to Brady for years. If they were cheating he would know. Why not expose it?


    Ding Ding Freaking DING. Winner!

    I’ve been saying this for years. Every sport cheater has a whistleblower. Bonds did. Ben Johnson did. The 1972 steelers did. Marion Jones did. Lance Armstrong did.

    And yet it’s funny…out of all the current and former Patriot employees…many leaving the organization on less than good terms… not ONE has written a book or gone to the press with a a peep about cheating happening on the team, witnessing cheating themselves, or being asked to participate in cheating.

    Not. One.

    Go figure. 🙂

  82. dbarnes67 says:
    May 30, 2016 2:27 PM
    21 professors, not 21 scientists. Scientist that know the Ideal Gas Law, would also know that it doesn’t work for footballs because it requires constant volume.
    **********************
    Yes it does work. What, you don’t think physics PROFESSORS don’t understand the scientific theory made FOUR HUNDRED YEARS AGO?

  83. limakey says:
    May 30, 2016 2:53 PM
    JJ and JM could never get their old duties back. They were permantly banned from being any where near the footballs. Isn’t possible, the Pats could have only offered him a job he didn’t want or left it because he didn’t like it? JM had a at least one run in with the NFL before deflategate. I think he was caught trying to bring in practice balls and insert them as game balls.
    *********************
    No, he was involved with improperly inserting a K ball….and it was determined he did so at the direction of the league official who was caught stealing game balls for resale.

  84. McNally’s joke about not going to ESPN came directly out of a conversation asking JJ, THE EQUIPMENT MANAGER, to try to get him a pair of shoes issued to the team. JJ giving a non-team member a piece of equipment is illegal, so McNally joked the ESPN would never find out. Nothing to do with footballs WHATSOEVER. He thought the new shoes, which his buddy had a pile of, looked cool.

    Science tells us that no person took any air out of any football after pregame inspection. Trust the 21 PhDs who tell you so. Trust me, a PhD chemist who was explaining to the ignorant the basics of the ideal gas law on THE DAY AFTER THE AFCCG.

    This witch hunt remains as big a farce today as it was 16 months ago.

  85. You know the Patriots are sitting on a goldmine of emails from the league ordering the suspension of the dorito dinks among other things that completely blow up the narrative that Goodell has tried to set with this story all along.

    The shot fired by Mr. Kraft last week was only the first. Get ready for more….

    Are you scared Patriot Hater? 🙂

    Yeah. You are.

    🙂

  86. guadalahonky says:
    May 30, 2016 3:06 PM

    Then please tell me what McNally was threatening to go to ESPN about? Don’t copy and paste some talking points from Patriot Nation, I can find those talking points anywhere.
    —————————–

    No one knows what any of the test messages mean.

    Ask yourself why that is. Even after the NFL spent millions on an investigation.

    Hint: The answer has nothing to do with anyone with the Patriots withholding information.

  87. Yeah… Here’s the thing…

    1. Breuer first said the story happened in January. Then he changed his story to November after the internet pointed out he was wrong.

    2. Breuer wiffed on an attempt to ID Jastremski from a photo, admitted he wasn’t entirely sure it was him after all… then later ID-Ed Jastremski from a photo he had already been told was definitely Jastremski.

    3. The magic words around here are “Ben Volin” who has a long LONG history of running with erroneous leads only to end up tucking his tail in and publicly apologizing for not doing the research. I’m sure he’ll be doing the same AGAIN after not getting a voicemail returned before Memorial Day weekend and writing an article about it.

  88. Davew128, this was a game in 2004. October 25, 2004. And, even the ref did steal footballs, it changes nothing in regards what McNally said and did.

  89. SCIENCE and all the FACTUAL EVIDENCE proves Brady is innocent.

    A PROVEN LIAR, Goodel, on all the facts related to the Deflate-Gate controversy.

    Choose, on this Memorial Day, where your values are America.

    You and children will either grow by them or be defeated by them.

  90. Breuer says that Jastremski was complaining of being broke and jobless. While he was on vacation in Mexico. Got it.

    I asked Breuer about this on Twitter and, after calling me a “moron”, suggested that maybe Jastremski’s family was just “helping him out.”

    That doesn’t explain it. If the guy had no job and was broke, why would his family send him on vacation? Shouldn’t he have been looking for work? Didn’t he have bills to pay?

  91. mmack, wrong again. We all know what the texts were about. The explainations given by JM and JJ just made sense. Plus, both men have credibilty. They have a tad more than Brady, and Brady has zero credibility. The only text neither man offered an explaination was for was the one regarding the only thing sun that was going to be deflated was his passing rating.

  92. According to the conspiracy theory of the week, the Patriots “fired” (aka, refused to re-hire) Jastremski because they knew he was “guilty” of wrongdoing.

    If the Patriots knew such a thing, then WHY would they have bothered asking the NFL to reinstate Jastremski and McNally in the first place? Why not just leave their NFL-ordered suspension in place?

    They were under no obligation to apply for reinstatement when they did. There was no deadline or timetable for these two to be rehired. If either of them was guilty, it would have made zero sense to request reinstatement before the case was concluded.

  93. You can spin this any way you want but the best evidence that the balls were or were not deflated is the footballs themselves. According to 21 of the most qualified professors, scientists and experts in the world, who were willing to put their reputations on the line for ZERO reward, there was no deflation. In fact if you take out the games in domed arenas, more than half of all football games will be played with the footballs with a PSi below the NFL requirements.

    Just curious, Ted Wells and Exponent have yet to publicly respond to the criticisms from experts. Why is that? By the way, the the wells report never stated how much air “could” have been released. Per the 21 scientists, the amount was .14 PSI which is within the margin of error and IF you use inconsistent assumptions that make no sense. Absolute nonsense that there was an intentional deflation and the legacy of a fine player is forever tarnished.

  94. seahawkboymike says:
    May 30, 2016 2:04 PM
    imodan says:

    The IGL is not “science.” It’s a hypothetical approximation that doesn’t apply to the air in footballs at 52 degrees in a football stadium.
    __________________________________

    But actually it was 49 degrees and raining
    on January 18, 2015 when the game was played OUTDOORS in Foxboro, MA.

    Which is why many scientists claim that the weather conditions during that game explains why footballs of both teams had measurements below 12.5 PSI. Science says that moving a container full air from a warm environment to a much colder one causes the air pressure inside the container to drop naturally. No air needs to be removed from a football. Still not convinced? Try searching the popular online video site for: “The Ideal Gas Law: Crash Course Chemistry #12” (Crash Course).

    Then watch as science crushes a soda can at 6:15 in the video. The empty can is first heated on a burner of a stove and is then moved into a bowl of ice water. The cold ice water causes a rapid drop in air pressure in the heated soda can and the soda can is seen crushing on its own. “Understand that the soda can is really not empty. The soda can contains water vapor and air . You know air, the same stuff that is pumped into footballs. The science that can be seen crushing the soda can is the same science that the NFL convinced so many gullible Patriots detractors to deny.

    Remember it was 49 degrees and raining during that football game but the PSI measurements didn’t need to be as dramatic as the soda can experiment. The footballs were not crushed. Remember, the minor PSI changes in the footballs had to be measured using pressure gauges. It follows that the halftime PSI measurements were just where nature would have put them. This was confirmed by 21 professors representing the following universities: Massachusetts Institute of Technology, the University of California, Berkeley, University of Michigan, Stanford University, University of Southern California, University of Delaware, Purdue University, University of Pennsylvania, Boston College and the University of Minnesota.”.

    Patriot detractors will claim that “all those universities are located in New England”. Then again Patriots detractors often appear to be overly capable at displaying their ignorance. I am thinking that those 21 professors know more about science and how cold/wet weather would affect the air pressure in anything, even footballs, than the commissioner or anyone working for the NFL. Contrary to what the NFL has convinced many to believe, footballs are not exempt from the laws of science. It is also abundantly clear that the 21 professors know more about air pressure than every Patriot detractor.

    The rain could also be a second factor that may have contributed to the reduction of air pressure. Since leather is the outside of the football it is the keeping the air under pressure. So if the rain got the footballs wet then the leather might stretch a very small amount. That may also contribute to a small reduction in air pressure. The rain would also help transmit the cold air temperature to the football. Remember, in the experiment mentioned above the soda can was not put into a bowl just containing ice. The bowl also contained water.

    Facts and science don’t appear to matter to those that initially believed the lies. Those that made sure that you heard or read the lies as countless headlines understood that it’s easier to convince someone to accept a lie than it is to later get that person accept that they were lied to. For too many people the facts no longer matter.

  95. Check their bank accounts which no doubt by now have six-figure balances.

  96. MMack,green largo, nhpats I would be mad too. I’m with you guys. I would be mad if my favorite hc and qb made me look like an idiot every post by taking up for them when they clearly, and history has told us, their cheaters. Let’s get them out the league. Let’s do it.

  97. Fact, the balls measured below legal limits, even after IGL was factored into the process. There is no dispute about this. Just because certain authors and others that there should have been greater measure does not mean it is true. It is there opinion and their opinion only. The Patriots and Tom Brady have had more than enough time to hire their own experts to perform their own experiments to prove no deflation took place. The AEI report Brady used in his appeal case failed miserbly. They conducted no experiments and every point they brought up, the NFL’s expert had an answer. And there is no amount of science that can explain away those texts, the lies and Brady’s destroyed cell phone.

  98. A good friend of mine is a Boston car dealer who has supplied Brady with his cars since he came to NE. Plays golf with him quite often, swears he’s the biggest cheater on the course he’s ever seen.
    Just sayin.’

  99. I’d like to see Brady take a few of those hits he always shakes off and gets up from at 40 years of age. Could start getting a little different. Every year the guys hitting you are getting younger. It makes a difference.

  100. goodellMustGo says:
    May 30, 2016 12:04 PM
    Being a fan of the 4 time World Champions, winners of more Super Bowls than any NFL team in the last 25 years, winners of more games this century than any NFL team, home of the greatest quarterback and coach in history, home of the greatest organization in history, home of the best fans in sports and the undisputed paragon of excellence in the modern NFL or to be quite frank in any sport at any time….. it really is an honor and a privilege:) In other words…it’s GREAT to be king!

    Don’t be so salty Patriot Hater… you too are lucky to witness historical greatness such as the 4 time World Champions in your lifetimes.
    ______________________________

    Only best and fond memory I be remembering Patriot Dynasty, is seeing 3rd world countries kids wearing Patriot 17-0 records T-Shirts… That is when Underdog Giants knock Patriot off in SuperBowl.

  101. limakey says:
    May 30, 2016 6:46 PM

    And there is no amount of science that can explain away those texts

    ———————————————————-

    Except that there was only one text that caused so many to be convinced of a grand conspiracy. That was the single text from the off season where the word “deflator” was used.

    It’s dumbfounding – in a case where science proves that no tampering occurred that there can still be individuals having such limited capability for logic and reasoning where they could allow themselves to become fixated on the word “deflator”. This means that these individuals decided to ignore scientific evidence while being permanently persuaded to dwell on someone’s single use of a nick name during an off season.

    It’s really not relevant why someone chose to use the word “deflator” because science proves that the footballs were not deflated by anyone. Plus the word “deflator” doesn’t even imply that someone would ever deflate footballs under the league mandated 12.5 PSI. In this universe it’s still possible to deflate footballs from a higher PSI down to 12.5 PSI. Limited minds can only conceive that “deflating” always means going below 12.5 PSI. So even if you decide to ignore science, the word “deflator” should not lead you conclude that nefarious deflating must have occurred. Unless you want to both ignore science and profess to be clairvoyant.

    The word “deflator” did prove to be useful as a red herring in reinforcing a confirmation bias among those who are not fans of The Patriots. Many of these Patriot detractors remain convinced that The Patriots coach not adhering to a league memo roughly 10 years ago which prohibited filming the opposing teams sideline, during a single nationally televised football game, from a camera location that was not under a roof represents a “pattern of cheating”. When starting with biased minds like that it’s not difficult to bias them even further. These lazy Patriot detractors must not have spent a single minute researching and comparing incidents considered “cheating” by all 32 NFL teams.

    Now back to the science that already proves that nothing happened. Science shows that no footballs were tampered with. Truth be told — there are still many people with such limited capability for logic and reasoning that they are able to deny science once they consider a single word that was once texted by a part time Patriots employee.

    If you handed any one of these science deniers a fully inflated beach ball they could certainly be convinced that the beach ball was flat if you told them that a guy that once used the word “deflator” had recently taken the beach ball into a bathroom. This person would be more convinced that the beach ball was flat, if you also told them that the “deflator” guys bathroom stop was a few minutes prior to him needing to attend a 2+ hour football game, so using a urinal and sink would provide a logical reason for him deciding upon a pit stop.

    I guess these illogical Patriot detractors can’t relate to a guy planning a timely bathroom stop because they would never do such a thing themselves. Patriot detractors would always board airplanes or start long automobile trips without ever considering to stop in a bathroom.

    These logic deprived Patriot detractors would also do the same before a long movie, sporting event or live performance. Their logic would be “why pee now when I can always miss part of the show and pee later?” Except in this case the guy was working at the game so maybe missing part of the game was less of an option for him. Plus it was The Patriots vs. The Colts and any real fan of football knows that those games are usually worth watching. Unlike this guy, maybe you couldn’t pay Patriot detractors to watch a Patriots game.

    Back to the beach ball example — Limited minds which are devoid of logic and reasoning can only conclude that a beach ball held in their hands is flat if someone recently had the beach ball in a bathroom, regardless of the fact that their own eyes show is still inflated. Dimwits would be stuck on the fact that the guy once used the word “deflator” in a text message. All other facts wouldn’t matter and nothing further concerning the air pressure in footballs could enter their limited minds. Their small minds would be content. Numerous scientists could not persuade them to consider science

  102. goodellMustGo says:
    May 30, 2016 3:31 PM
    You know the Patriots are sitting on a goldmine of emails from the league ordering the suspension of the dorito dinks among other things that completely blow up the narrative that Goodell has tried to set with this story all along.

    The shot fired by Mr. Kraft last week was only the first. Get ready for more….

    Are you scared Patriot Hater?:)

    Yeah. You are.
    🙂

    ____________________________

    Actually it’s other way around. 49 states out of 50 already acknowledge that Patriot has cheated…

    Now you’re saying you have a chance to change our minds by 1 state of massachusett, populations of 7 million people, against 49 states of 120+ million people?

    Are you for real?

    NYC has double populations of people in city, not counting buffalo, and you still think you can convince us that Patriots are not cheating organizations when they got caught 3 times in past 10 years? And you think that okay?

    You Patriots fans need to check with your local doctors and make sure you don’t have CTE.

  103. If you listened to the interview, Breuer pretty much did the interview as goat boy. Talk about incoherent. Geesh.

  104. Fact, science has proves the balls were deflated. The texts and there was more than one support the science. The lies told by JM and JJ and TB give even more support to the science. Brady’s destruction his cell phone seals the deal of all their guilt. I also left out the communications factor. If there were no texts, if there were no lies told, if the three major players in this cheating scandal has even half of a half of half centimeter of credibility, you might have a weak case against the science. But you don’t.

  105. This story has been proven wrong. It was in January that JJ was supposed to be in Mexico. Ben Volin is a pos writer and lies about the Patriots. Ben is a Miami fan. Funny we’re just hearing about this now. Ridiculous

  106. The conspiracy theory du jour seems to be that the Patriots “fired” (aka refused to re-hire) John Jastremski after his NFL-ordered suspension, and that they must have done so because of Jastremski’s involvement in deflating footballs illegally.

    I’d be happy to entertain your little theory, if you’ll just answer a few questions for me:

    1. Jastremski and McNally were suspended per order of the NFL a year ago. If they were involved in a scheme to deflate footballs, why didn’t the Patriots fire them prior to that time? Do you suggest that the Patriots didn’t know what was going on with their own team? Don’t a lot of your arguments revolve around Bill Belichick being a control freak who knows every detail?

    2. According to pretty much every hater theory, Jastremski and McNally were acting on orders from Brady when they (supposedly) tampered with the footballs. In this scenario, Jastremski was just following orders. WHY WOULD THE PATRIOTS FIRE SOMEONE WHO WAS FOLLOWING ORDERS?!

    The only way firing Jastremski makes sense is if he acted on his own, an idea that the conspiracy theorists loudly reject.

    3. Even IF Jastremski acted alone, why would the Patriots fire him? Wouldn’t firing him be risky, not just because it suggests that he did something wrong, but also because it might lead to him speaking out against the team? Why would the team take such a risk just to make a point? Wouldn’t it have been much safer to give him some cushy job to make him go away?

    4. Assuming that this story is 100% true, why did Jim Breuer sit on it for 7 months before he said anything? Isn’t it a huge bombshell that proves the Patriots are up to no good? Why did he hold out for so long?

    5. Is it just a coincidence that this story came out at almost exactly the same time that the Patriots filed an Amicus Brief harshly criticizing the NFL? And very shortly after the NIH scandal, which also earned the NFL some very bad press?

    Answer these questions satisfactorily, and we’ll talk about your latest conspiracy theory.

  107. rootpain says:May 30, 2016 6:44 PM

    limakey says:
    May 30, 2016 2:53 PM
    JJ and JM could never get their old duties back. They were permantly banned from being any where near the footballs. Isn’t possible, the Pats could have only offered him a job he didn’t want or left it because he didn’t like it? JM had a at least one run in with the NFL before deflategate. I think he was caught trying to bring in practice balls and insert them as gameballs. He was told then that the excuse he gave was weak and unacceptable. They basically game him a warning that another incident with the balls would be dealt with in much harsher measures. He took the footballs without permission, period. It doesn’t matter that it was done in in front of officials. He lied about using a urnial in the bathroom that does not have a urnial. He has severe credibility issues.
    =================================
    Look who’s back…. limakey, I sincerely thought your silence was related to the fact that your cover as NFL management was blown. No one else would write with such certainty unless they had access to insider discussions. Wrong discussions of course, but so has the entire deflategate issue been wrong.
    The Patriots would not have employed them in anything dealing with the footballs. Not because the NFL told them not to, that’s not something the NFL has jurisdiction over (in spite of what they think), but because it would just add so much unnecessary scrutiny that there would’t be any benefit. An NFL team has hundreds of job opportunities for both of them so all you haters can calm down. They will still be able to get to any game they want in spite of the fact the games are sold out.
    But for you, limakey, time is running out. Either the second circuit appeal is heard or it isn’t. Then either the US SC appeal is heard or it isn’t. Brady sits for four games or he doesn’t. And then it’s over. But where do you go then limakey? What will you say then when Brady and the Patriots continue to dominate? What excuses will you have then? None of course, so back to hibernation for you.

  108. Geez Pats fans never get to talk about football.
    Always recyclying the same stuff defending their franchises cheating ways/ reputation.
    When did Kraft have that * looking star put on their helmets?

  109. Hard to imagine the Patriots brought JJ back without having him sign a non-disclosure agreement.

  110. simplegodfather says:
    May 30, 2016 7:11 PM
    Only best and fond memory I be remembering Patriot Dynasty, is seeing 3rd world countries kids wearing Patriot 17-0 records T-Shirts… That is when Underdog Giants knock Patriot off in SuperBowl.
    **********************
    That would have been hilarious. Problem is the Patriots were 18-0 when they lost in that Super Bowl…

  111. The Boston media didn’t notice if he wasn’t around?
    They’re liars…the media is supposed to inform their audience, not lie to them. The Boston media should be blackballed.
    #Cowards
    #Liars
    #Frauds

  112. I would love to know how much he is being paid to keep quiet. These two ball boys dont make a ton of money, they were obviously not happy (based on text messages saying they disliked Brady) and this all happens- im sure they were offered TONS of money to do interviews. Now if you dont make much and someone offered you 100K or more just to do an interview- you take it, unless the patriots had u sign a gag order to cover their cheating ways. No way they can write a book about it, Kraft would easily write him a check for $1 million to just not talk about it.

  113. May 30, 2016 8:57 PM
    simplegodfather says:
    May 30, 2016 8:06 PM
    Actually it’s other way around. 49 states out of 50 already acknowledge that Patriot has cheated…

    Now you’re saying you have a chance to change our minds by 1 state of massachusett, populations of 7 million people, against 49 states of 120+ million people?

    Are you for real?

    NYC has double populations of people in city, not counting buffalo, and you still think you can convince us that Patriots are not cheating organizations when they got caught 3 times in past 10 years? And you think that okay?

    You Patriots fans need to check with your local doctors and make sure you don’t have CTE.
    __________________

    What does the number of people that have been misinformed versus the number of people that are correct have to do with the logic of the argument? Most of the world’s population once believed the Earth was flat too.
    And as for the convincing I’m not a Patriots fan and like many educated and informed fans of other teams I don’t buy one word of framegate. It’s not CTE in those of us that don’t believe the fraudulent misrepresentations of the league, it’s a lack of knowledge among those that have been fooled by them that is the issue. It is much easier to fool people than it is to ever convince them they have been fooled. Science doesn’t lie but Roger Goodell does. Want proof? Read the transcript of Brady’s arbitration hearing then read Roger’s decision. You have been fooled

  114. ladyjet says:
    May 30, 2016 6:49 PM
    A good friend of mine is a Boston car dealer who has supplied Brady with his cars since he came to NE. Plays golf with him quite often, swears he’s the biggest cheater on the course he’s ever seen.
    Just sayin.’

    ___________________

    Now that’s funny. Jets fans??? Please. Ok listen, Brady doesn’t go out and buy cars. Unless the guy works directly for Audi and delivered his car to him, you’re full of crap. He sure as hell doesn’t play golf with Joe car dealer.

  115. The Wells report showed that this employee was stealing equipment(sneakers and stuff), getting it autographed, and selling it. That’s probably why he was fired.

  116. seattlesue427 says:
    May 30, 2016 10:51 AM
    And now we get the Patsies fans talking about Ideal Gas Law and how Tommy Boy would never cheat. Yep…everyone I know calls themselves the “Deflator” when they’re trying to lose weight. And I always destroy my cell phone when I’m being investigated for anything. Just makes sense, right Pats fans? Now thumb me down if you think Brady is a cheater!
    ==================
    And yet the phone was so important to the investigation that Goodell did absolutely nothing with the logs for the period in question. Nothing. At all. You question Brady for withholding initially yet stop short of questioning Goodell when it was provided. Why do you suppose that is?

    What doesn’t make sense is people continuing to decry Brady for obstruction when Goodell had the very information needed to validate this supposed “vital” information on that phone. What exactly is Brady “hiding” by providing logs that detail every bit of communication on the phone in question? It’s the very information Wells and Goodell asked for on separate occasions. It’s also the same information Brady offered to help the NFL obtain more of if they actually bothered to look at it. The bottom line is there is absolutely no objective way to claim Brady was withholding information unless you are firmly subscribing to the fictitious narrative created by Goodell re: the phone.

  117. Hard to see why the Pats would want to retain him. And no, firing him doesn’t mean that management thinks he’s guilty of deflating footballs.
    (Let’s not forget that the pressure measurements show no evidence of tampering. Why people continue to speculate about tampering is beyond my comprehension. We might as well say Jastremski was fired for being a bank robber.)

    But his history of text messages make it seem like he wanted to dip into the Patriots supply of athletic gear at will.

  118. Fact, the balls measured below legal limits, even after IGL was factored into the process. There is no dispute about this.

    You are correct that there is no dispute. However, it’s the other side of the argument that has been adopted as the scientific consensus. The IGL does, in fact, predict that the footballs will lose that much air pressure on a cold, rainy day. (The water matters, too.)

    We know that the NFL also knows this fact. There is no other explanation for their campaign of disinformation, which started with lies planted in the media via Chris Mortensen and others, as well as their refusal to hand over the measurements to the Patriots for over a month, followed by a refusal to allow the Patriots to use the measurements for another month after they knew that science could explain the actual drops (as opposed to the drops reported in the disinformation campaign.)

    Also, the NFL made a big show about how they were going to measure pressures all season long. So they did that. And they buried the results, after having promised they would be published.

    Clearly you are here as a paid disinformer. Oh well.

  119. leitskev says:
    May 31, 2016 10:38 AM
    The Wells report showed that this employee was stealing equipment(sneakers and stuff), getting it autographed, and selling it. That’s probably why he was fired.
    =====================
    Except it didn’t. It showed Jastremski getting autographed memorabilia etc from Brady. No where does it indicate it was stolen. No where does it state it was ever sold.

  120. limakey’s comments, and reality:

    limakey: Fact, science has proves the balls were deflated.

    reality: Science proves that the balls were depressurized normally, by the drop in temperature, and that nobody took any air out of any footballs AT ALL.

    limakey: The texts support the science.

    reality: Amazingly, this is true. Science says no tampering occurred and the texts do not indicate any tampering scheme. In fact the texts exchanged after the Jets game, when the balls were “supposed to be at 13 psi” show that no tampering scheme existed.

    limakey: The lies told by JM and JJ and TB give even more support to the science.

    reality: you don’t mention any lies in particular, and TB, the only person who testified under oath, has been the truth teller extraordinaire.

    limakey: Brady’s destruction his cell phone seals the deal of all their guilt.

    reality: Brady deciding to replace his old cell phone with a new one is irrelevant, since 1) the NFL had no right to it; 2) the NFL had verified that they didn’t want it; 3) TB had compiled a list of all communications, which was what the NFL wanted, and it showed that no texts were missing


    take home message: You views, and that of many Patriots haters, conflict with 300-year-old science, with the facts of the case, and indeed with REALITY.

    That is also the opinion of 21 tenured physic professions at top universities around our great nation. I am a tenured chemistry professor and agree with them.

  121. laxcoach37 says:
    May 30, 2016 11:33 AM
    Way too much suspicion and actual evidence. By the way, Innocent people accused of crimes or mis-doings scream at the top of their lungs that they are innocent! They do not smash their only evidence that can exonerate them! They do not hide from media… they do the opposite. These Ball Boys (Men) are being paid to shut up and hide. Brady really went about his all wrong. Had he just turned his phone over this might have gone away with a Fine and been long forgotten about, Cheating or Not! The Witch Hunt that the Cheatriot Loyals are complaining about is because of brash non-compliance, not the the actual ball deflation.
    ===========================
    Indeed. That’s why somebody with everything to hide provides the NFL with phone logs from the very phone everybody insists has all the answers. When given the opportunity to verify that very fact, the NFL decided to do nothing with the logs. When Brady offered his assistance to help with any missing information the NFL continued with it’s do nothing stance. You and many others can continue to point out “Had he just turned his phone over this might have gone away with a Fine and been long forgotten about” but there’s more than enough behavior from the NFL to suggest you’re wrong. There’s also plenty left over to dis-spell this ridiculous notion that Brady was trying to hide information. If that was the case, there is literally no scenario where Brady would have ever agreed to provide the logs or assist in finding any missing relevant information.

  122. insightfulcomments says:
    May 30, 2016 12:06 PM
    LOL the only evidence

    Yeah they didn’t steal the game balls from the officials and run them into the bathroom on surveillance.
    ===========================
    Supposedly the Colts balls never made it to the bathroom. Maybe Brady is paying off the Colts personnel as well now.

  123. imodan says:
    May 30, 2016 12:35 PM
    Seriously. Why the heck hasn’t TMZ got to the bottom of this whole deflategate mess? C’mon TMZ, America turns it’s eye’s to you for the truth!!
    ==================
    The fact people are hoping TMZ finds the truth speaks volumes. And not even remotely in a good way. smh

  124. cornerstone2001 says:
    May 30, 2016 1:13 PM
    Lie detector tests for Jastremski, McNally and Brady..

    End of Pats fan excuses…..
    =======================
    Or they could have testified in front of Goodell. Oh wait …

  125. OMG some of you put a lot of time into writing these reports. Nobody’s interested. Regarding getting a book deal done, please wait until Tommy retires better still once he is inducted then do what you want big guy.

  126. Rootpain, it will never be over for Brady. He will never get his reputation back. He will be forever known as a liar and cheater who refused to man up. Every one of the SB are covered in taint that will never go away. When it comes to Brady’s election into the Hall of Fame, there will be some writers will not vote for him in the first ballot because of this. The question of why he did it will be debated. Every record he sets will be debated and the real question will be how do we compare his stats against the others? And there will be writers who will never vote for him because of the cell phone and how he refused to man up. No, rootpain, this will never be over for him any more than spygate be over for BB. And while I have no doubt that all of the rabid fans who have blamed everyone else for this scandal and have dedended Brady and JJ and JM with such vigor, their great, great children will be defending them over these issues. So it will never be over for Patriot Nation either.

  127. limakey: Brady’s destruction his cell phone seals the deal of all their guilt.
    ====================
    We’ve already scorched this ground. The reality is Goodell had access to logs on the phone. The fact Brady provided them and was willing to fill in any gaps highlights transparency not deception. Continuing down the cell phone destruction path only shows bias. Which is fine so long as you understand the negligence of the NFL to use those logs does anything but seal the deal in terms of guilt.

  128. Fireroger, those logs are useless and Brady has known this all along. Big deal, it had names. The names mean nothing. The NFL does not have subpoena power over any one. For some bizzare reason, Patriot Nation seem to believe that Brady would have only text with Patriot personnel on this. And again, it is obvious that Brady has zero credibility. His destroying of the cell phone and waiting months to disclose this put his credibility numbers into the negatives. The Commissioner had no reason to believe that Brady would be truthful about this. He had no reason to believe that one of those names would be truthful either. The Commissoner was under no obligation to waste time over a wild goose chase that would only end up in more lies.

  129. limakey says:
    May 31, 2016 3:17 PM
    =============
    Rubbish. How utterly obstinate. smh

    You simply cannot claim the phone is the vital piece to ascertain guilt and then turn around and make excuses as to why the same information is not important. This isn’t about subpoena power or even credibility. This is about the phone containing vital information or not. The logs can 100% be used to come to that determination. Even if the content of the conversations couldn’t be determined! This isn’t too hard to figure out … Mr. Brady there is a log entry that shows you called or texted JJ\JM (or any other Patriots personnel for that matter) for the 3 month gap in question. The narrative changes from no texts between Brady and JJ until after the AFCCG to a clear pattern of communication leading up to the AFCGG. Underscoring evidence that suggests a conspiracy to deflate footballs. That’s without even knowing if the conversations covered that subject matter or not. No. The logs are most certainly NOT useless.

    For that matter, if what you insist is true and nobody would be truthful, than you can safely admit the phone was not nearly as vital as you would like people to believe. Understanding that you are basing the dishonesty of Brady and others based solely on conjecture and is completely not in line with Brady trying to be transparent with the cell information (even if after the fact).

    You are incorrect the he Commissoner was under no obligation to waste time over a wild goose chase that would only end up in more lies. His sole responsibility is to discover the truth. At any cost or effort. More so if he thought Brady wasn’t being truthful. It’s not even remotely clear how that happens without looking at those logs. You continue to insist Brady’s guilt by not providing the phone despite no obligation to do so. I suspect you’ll fail to see the irony behind defending Goodells decision not to use the logs. Despite no obligation to do so.

  130. tainted franchise IMO. patriots fans dont like to hear what many feel about their team.

    happy the Giants beat them twice in the SB.

  131. Limakey – Your own argument about Brady destroying the phone is indefensible. Simply, if nobody is going to tell the truth, the cell phone and all of it’s information is indeed useless and irrelevant to uncovering the truth.

  132. So many people hate the Pats so much, yet can’t resist commenting on literally every. single. article. about the Pats. They’re living rent-free in all your heads and it is glorious to witness.

  133. Brady cheater believers: make statements questioning what happened.

    Pats fans response: your team sucks.

    These threads are hilarious.

  134. Brady was told his phone was not being requested and not wanted. Wells had everyone else’s phones. Um, ZERO texts from Brady.

    A concept obviously too complex for the haters to comprehend.

  135. Fireroger, again you got it all wrong. Brady destroying his cell phone is indefensible. However, I truly believe Brady did what was best for him. He was really given no choice after his own gave interviews saying another reason why Brady would not turn over the communications is because of how the NFL would view them. His agent also claimed he did turn over the communications because it would set a bad precedent for other players. I was fine with that. At that time I truly believed he was taking a moral stance on the issue. However, he tossed his moral stance out the window when he turned over the logs. Brady has no integrity at all. And the comissioner does not owe Brady or the fans to chase down the logs. Brady as well as everyone else knows the logs are useless. Do you really think Brady would have turned them in if he thought there was any chance that any of that those damning texts would come to light? Or anyone would turn against him?

  136. seattlesue427 says:
    May 30, 2016 10:51 AM
    And now we get the Patsies fans talking about Ideal Gas Law and how Tommy Boy would never cheat. Yep…everyone I know calls themselves the “Deflator” when they’re trying to lose weight. And I always destroy my cell phone when I’m being investigated for anything. Just makes sense, right Pats fans? Now thumb me down if you think Brady is a cheater!
    ________________________________________

    Yeah, too bad for the Trolls that the IGL is PROVEN FACT and not just wishful thinking or speculation like all the Trolls accusations.

    You guys just can’t # or nickname your way out of it.

    100+ Years of Proven Science?

    0r

    56+ Proven NFL lies?

    Back to the kids table with you…

  137. the same Patriots fans who say Peyton Manning is guilty because he won’t sue Al-Jazeera hypocritically defend this decision by the Patriots. Something smells here. Patriots scum is what it is

  138. kev86 says:
    May 31, 2016 4:04 PM
    tainted franchise IMO. patriots fans dont like to hear what many feel about their team.

    happy the Giants beat them twice in the SB.
    _____________________________________

    I think you are confusing not liking for not caring…what Hater Trolls think…

    20+ Years of NFL Dominance!

    (Even with two SB loses! That’s how dominant the Patriots have been.)

  139. limakey says:
    May 31, 2016 2:24 PM
    Rootpain, it will never be over for Brady. He will never get his reputation back. He will be forever known as a liar and cheater who refused to man up. Every one of the SB are covered in taint that will never go away. When it comes to Brady’s election into the Hall of Fame, there will be some writers will not vote for him in the first ballot because of this. The question of why he did it will be debated. Every record he sets will be debated and the real question will be how do we compare his stats against the others? And there will be writers who will never vote for him because of the cell phone and how he refused to man up.
    ==============================
    so, when do you start your campaign to get Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, John Elway (in fact, all the HOF players from those 2 SB teams) out of the Hall?

  140. bradjamesbroncositaly says:
    May 31, 2016 7:21 PM

    the same Patriots fans who say Peyton Manning is guilty because he won’t sue Al-Jazeera hypocritically defend this decision by the Patriots. Something smells here. Patriots scum is what it is
    ________________________________________

    Nah, I think that is your breath blowing back in your face…

    Nothing but roses here in New England.

    Make sure to tune in to see the Patriots and TB12 execute another deep playoff run!

    You mad bro?

  141. limakey says:
    May 31, 2016 3:17 PM
    Fireroger, those logs are useless and Brady has known this all along. Big deal, it had names. The names mean nothing. The NFL does not have subpoena power over any one. For some bizzare reason, Patriot Nation seem to believe that Brady would have only text with Patriot personnel on this. And again, it is obvious that Brady has zero credibility. His destroying of the cell phone and waiting months to disclose this put his credibility numbers into the negatives. The Commissioner had no reason to believe that Brady would be truthful about this. He had no reason to believe that one of those names would be truthful either. The Commissoner was under no obligation to waste time over a wild goose chase that would only end up in more lies.
    _______________________________________

    Unfortunately for you and the other Trolls, the only person exposed repeatedly and PROVEN to be a lair is Roger Goodell.

    All the Trolls have are their worthless opinions, speculation and unproven crybaby accusations…No proof of anything.

    Patriots, TB12 & Patriot Fans Win Again…and Again…and Again!

  142. good friend of mine is a Boston car dealer who has supplied Brady with his cars since he came to NE. Plays golf with him quite often, swears he’s the biggest cheater on the course he’s ever seen.
    Just sayin.’

    ———-

    So, your friend call Brady a big cheater but will still play golf with him a lot? Sounds like your friend is either a mooch or a liar

  143. fireroger says:
    May 31, 2016 2:30 PM

    limakey: Brady’s destruction his cell phone seals the deal of all their guilt.
    ________________________________________

    When the NFL “Independent Lead Investigator” tells you he doesn’t need your phone, but then turns around and tries to uses not having it against you…We call that being duplicitous!

    That isn’t something to be celebrated, unless you are a weak minded, willfully ignorant Troll. Proud of being Roger’s dupe. Yay Trolls!

    So, either he lied when he told Brady he didn’t need it or he is lying when he made a big deal out of it after the fact…Either way it is another exposed NFL related lie.

    NFL PROVEN Deflategate Lies = 56+

    Brady Proven Deflategate Lies = 0

    Patriots, TB12 & Patriot Fans Win Again!

  144. Aljack, I don’t know what your point is. I have not started any campaign against Brady and the HOF. I am sure he will get in but I don’t believe he will get first ballot. And deflategate and his actions will be the reason.

  145. limakey says:
    May 31, 2016 2:24 PM
    Rootpain, it will never be over for Brady. He will never get his reputation back. He will be forever known as a liar and cheater who refused to man up. Every one of the SB are covered in taint that will never go away. When it comes to Brady’s election into the Hall of Fame, there will be some writers will not vote for him in the first ballot because of this. The question of why he did it will be debated. Every record he sets will be debated and the real question will be how do we compare his stats against the others? And there will be writers who will never vote for him because of the cell phone and how he refused to man up.
    _______________________________________

    Wow! You Trolls really have a high opinion of yourselves. You think because you cry about it long and loud enough it makes it so…Poor little Trolls. You can’t # the 100+ years of science away…Who let the air out of the Colts balls?

    CRICKETS!

    Just up on NFL.com. Zero mention of taint next to anything Patriots. That is just a pipe dream out on Troll Fantasy Island by the crybabies in the Loser’s Circle.

    Make sure to tune in to see the Patriots & TB12 execute another deep playoff run this season! Bah, hahahahah!

    Run along now…

  146. limakey says:
    May 31, 2016 6:32 PM

    Do you really think Brady would have turned [his phone logs] in if he thought there was any chance that any of that those damning texts would come to light?
    ___________________________________

    When Brady refuses to provide Wells with information from his cell phone, the Brady bashers accuse him of hiding something. When he offers to make phone information available, they dismiss the offer, saying he’s only doing it because there’s nothing to hide.

    Sounds just a mite hypocritical to me.

  147. FFS, the Second Court is going to rule of an appeal of a ruling. No new evidence is going to be introduced. They are only going to say whether or not they agree that the NFL and Goodell have to right within the CBA To suspend Brady. They couldn’t care less if some Pat’s flunky is sunning himself on the sands of Cancun.

  148. limakey says:
    May 31, 2016 6:32 PM
    =======================
    I would like to believe you’re just being obtuse at this point but I’m afraid you actually believe what you are saying. smh

    There was absolutely nothing about that phone that Brady needed to provide. Full stop. The fact he did certainly speaks to his integrity. Just the complete opposite of what you claim it to be. LOL

    There is absolutely no argument to be made claiming those logs are useless. None. It’s ridiculous to even entertain it. The logs show communication threads (I.e. voice calls\texts). It’s exactly what Wells started with on every phone he commissioned in his “report” and the very basis to investigate further. You make the assumption the logs won’t show who Brady called or texted. You’re 100% incorrect on both assumptions. Simply, if there was something damning towards Brady the logs would have shown it. There’s no way to hide it. At the very least the logs provided the impetus to investigate further. What do you think Wells would have looked at it he ever got the phone? It would have been the stupid logs! Why? Because it spells out exactly who you talk to. Whatever. The logs spell out who you talk to. There’s nothing to debate there. It’s a statement of fact. Look it up if you don’t believe me. There is no way to hide who you talk to. More so when you get the logs from the cell carrier. Or are we supposed to believe Brady cooked the logs as well? How far down the lack of integrity path should we go since we’re already manufacturing stuff?

    The bottom line is this. If you claim the logs are useless than the cell phone is as well. You simply cannot maintain that one is vital while the other is not. They are one and the same. To suggest otherwise only demonstrates lack of understanding. It’s fine to suggest the logs wouldn’t have forced anybody to turn on Brady. So long as you understand the cell phone would have yielded the exact same result. Making the entire cell phone is vital argument irrelevant.

    And yes, the commissioner absolutely owes every NFL fan the truth. You cannot include the word integrity into any conversation without the word truth. The commissioner asked for new information at the first appeals hearing. If nothing else he should have acted on what he asked for. Even if the end result was the exact same.

  149. Bigbear, The Wells Investigation asked for any communications relevant to this scandal. They gave Brady a courtsey to say they did not want to take control of it, but he and his lawyer could decide which were relevant and they would be taken at their word this was all of them. Brady refused. Brady has lied mutiple times through out this whole process. He claimed that he did not know the process of what happened to the footballs after he selected the game balls. He claimed not to know how the footballs got to the field. He claimed he did know who JM was or what his job was. He only knew his face. Other testimoney, namely JJ and JM contracdict this. Brady has never given clear answers to any direct answers. He has lied every step of the way.

  150. limakey says:
    May 31, 2016 6:32 PM

    Fireroger, again you got it all wrong. Brady destroying his cell phone is indefensible. However, I truly believe Brady did what was best for him. He was really given no choice after his own gave interviews saying another reason why Brady would not turn over the communications is because of how the NFL would view them. His agent also claimed he did turn over the communications because it would set a bad precedent for other players. I was fine with that. At that time I truly believed he was taking a moral stance on the issue. However, he tossed his moral stance out the window when he turned over the logs. Brady has no integrity at all. And the comissioner does not owe Brady or the fans to chase down the logs. Brady as well as everyone else knows the logs are useless. Do you really think Brady would have turned them in if he thought there was any chance that any of that those damning texts would come to light? Or anyone would turn against him?
    ————————-

    Brady turned over the contents of his phone at the appeal hearing because Roger was crying about wanting to see new information, and because he was not made aware that not turning them over earlier would contribute to him receiving such a ridiculous penalty.

    It’s a shame that Goodell and his minions have so completely corrupted the truth of the whole deflatesham fiasco. Maybe someday one of them will write a tell-all book revealing the details of the scam.

  151. McNally works/worked for the Patriots 8-10 days out of the year.

    Brady knew McNally as “Burt”, though his nickname was actually “Bird”.

  152. limakey says:
    Jun 1, 2016 8:46 AM
    He has lied every step of the way.
    =========================
    Q: Okay. Now, by the way, there has been some discussion from the Wells report about Mr. McNally and whether you knew him or not, okay. Prior to all these allegations, did you know the name Jim McNally?
    Brady: No.

    Q: Now, did you know who it was, even, who met with referees in their locker room when they are testing the balls? Did you even know which person physically on the Patriots was the person who went in there and did that?
    Brady: No.
    Q: Okay. And do you get to sort of know over the years their faces, whether or not you know their names?
    Brady: Yes.

    Q: So is it possible that you actually knew — I will even ask it differently … Have you subsequently learned who Mr. McNally is among those people?
    Brady: Yes.

    Q: And is he somebody you actually sort of knew as a face, somebody to go, like, wave to but you didn’t know who he was, his name?
    Brady: Yes.

    Q: Okay. Now, other than that, do you have any relationship with Mr. McNally at all?
    Brady: No.

  153. Speaking for the rest of America, I really wish this story would just go away . Looking forward to the day it finally does .

  154. limakey says:
    Jun 1, 2016 12:23 PM
    Fireroger, problem here at least two other people, namely JJ ans JM claim otherwise.
    =====================
    LOL.

    Even at a casual glance this stinks. We wouldn’t be here if the evidence you suggest was present. There is nothing from the JJ\JM transcript that shows (1) Brady knew the process of what happened to the footballs after he selected the game balls, (2) Brady knew how the footballs got to the field and (3) Brady knew who JM was or what his job was.

    I think you might be conflating conversations between JJ\JM and somehow implying Brady was in the loop. Which is fine but that doesn’t prove that was the case or that he lied about it.

  155. limakey says:
    Jun 1, 2016 12:50 PM
    Oh, and just because Tom Brady says it, doesn’t, mean it is true. He lied under oath.
    =======================
    Yet in the end we’re still left with the proof needed to validate that.

  156. limakey says:
    Jun 1, 2016 2:10 PM
    It was in the Wells Report. Yes, it is in there.
    ===============
    Ok. Good luck with showing the Wells report proves (1) Brady knew the process of what happened to the footballs after he selected the game balls, (2) Brady knew how the footballs got to the field and (3) Brady knew who JM was or what his job was. The only way you get to that point is if you skip to the end where Wells concludes it’s more probable than not. We already know where that leads. Using that to conclude Brady lied under oath only assumes the same faulty logic. Just sayin.

  157. How much money does a ball boy make that he can hang out in Cancun?

    Brady is going to drag this as long as possible rope a dope style. You will all give up an the only one’s left standing will be his minions.

    1. Brady gets to select the balls he wants.
    2. Then league checks the balls
    3. Then balls get taken to the field.

    Brady “That ball was a watermelon last time” I thought Tom pre-selected that ball?? Maybe the deflate man didn’t get his job done.

    The league knows Tom Cheated, Tom’s Wife knows he cheated, Tom’s Dad knows he cheated. Lucky for Tom he studies the fine art of Narcissism.

  158. seals1 says:
    Jun 1, 2016 3:54 PM
    How much money does a ball boy make that he can hang out in Cancun?
    =======================
    Flight, hotel, car and food for a week in Cancun … $720. Just sayin.

  159. @fireroger

    720 a week without a job. Maybe he was able to find another job. Unless his new job was to keep his mouth shut and stay off the grid. I give him credit. Outside of Chicago,,,,,,,Mexico is as safe as possible to stay off the grid. New Orleans come in 3rd.

  160. They don’t want anybody to hear what the “deflator” has to say. That would disrupt their investment in paying scientists to explain the ideal gas law.

  161. seals1 says:
    Jun 1, 2016 10:15 PM
    @fireroger

    720 a week without a job. Maybe he was able to find another job. Unless his new job was to keep his mouth shut and stay off the grid. I give him credit. Outside of Chicago,,,,,,,Mexico is as safe as possible to stay off the grid. New Orleans come in 3rd.
    =======================
    He was “un-fired” in Sep. And $7-800 in savings isn’t a stretch even if that wasn’t the case.

  162. swagger52 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 8:01 AM
    They don’t want anybody to hear what the “deflator” has to say. That would disrupt their investment in paying scientists to explain the ideal gas law.
    ========================
    Well according to some the IGL is fiction so the fact they had to pay somebody to try and explain that footballs actually deflate naturally in cold weather speaks volumes in and of itself.

    Just remember that when you leave your ball outside overnight and it’s flat the next morning, the Patriots did it! LOL

  163. You Pats fans sound like the same folks defending Lance Armstrong till the end

  164. cornerstone2001 says:
    Jun 4, 2016 10:28 AM
    You Pats fans sound like the same folks defending Lance Armstrong till the end
    ======================
    That’s the best part. You don’t really need to defend science. It kinda speaks for itself.

  165. They don’t want anybody to hear what the “deflator” has to say. That would disrupt their investment in paying scientists to explain the ideal gas law.

    ———————————————————

    It’s the NFL that didn;t put their testimony in the Wells-Pash Report. It’s the NFL that ran the NFL hearings and declined to invite either.

    The IGL speaks for itself. The Patriots balls followed the IGL to the letter.

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