Law professors become the latest to file brief in support of Brady

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The parade of legal briefs in support of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady continues.

This week alone, three more have been filed. Renowned arbitrator Kenneth Feinberg, the AFL-CIO, and a group of 11 U.S. labor law and industrial relations professors have chimed in on the case.

The eight-page submission echoes the notion that Commissioner Roger Goodell exceeded the authority provided to him under the Collective Bargaining Agreement with the players and transmogrified an appellate hearing into a trial from scratch, improperly considering new evidence and finding new violations. This is the essence, the professors argue, of an arbitrator “dispensing his own brand of industrial justice” instead of respecting the limits to his powers and basic principles of fairness.

The brief points out, among other things, that Goodell linked on a knee-jerk basis Brady’s alleged involvement in the deflation of footballs to PED use without regard to the fact that the PED policy was specific negotiated, detail by detail. In turn, Goodell completely ignored the rules regarding equipment violations, which seem to be more relevant given the inclusion of Stickum, a substance that improves grip, on the list of specific ways to violate the prohibition. Since Stickum and other equipment violations call for a fine and not a suspension, the argument continues to be that Brady simply should have been fined, at worst.

The ongoing stream of legal briefs is likely becoming difficult for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit to ignore when considering Brady’s Hail Mary attempt to secure a rehearing of his case. It’s hard not to wonder whether those briefs would have been more useful to the process if they’d been submitted before the original three-judge panel resolved the case in the league’s favor through a 2-1 vote.

274 responses to “Law professors become the latest to file brief in support of Brady

  1. This will turn out bad for #TheHaters….again.

    Say, remember when #TheHaters predicted the Patriots would lead the league in fumbles last season? How did that turn out?

  2. The court is getting buried in legal briefs because no one expected Goodell to prevail. He’s way out of bounds here. That was obvious from the start.

  3. We have a former law professor as our elected King and he seems not to know the law or the Constitution or just doesn’t care or all of the above.

    This means nothing.

  4. At this point it is really down to two types of people, one, those who can read, learn, and see the truth, and two, trolls who are either too dense to admit they were wrong, or just hate a person or a team so much it actually makes them blind.

  5. Equipment violations, including Stickum, usually involve one person violating the rule. In the case of a deflated football? It involves 7 people on offense. All RBs all receivers. the center and the QB
    Using the stickun violation as an equipment violation as a bench mark does not apply. JMO

  6. Good for these Professors. Goodell is nothing more than an egotistical punk who has been given power and it has gone to his head.
    No matter what Tom Brady did or didn’t do, the one thing which is perfectly clear is Goodell is trying to save face for messing up the Ray Rice incident so badly, and lying about it, too.
    In the end, Tom Brady will be remembered as one of the very best players — not just QB’s — to have ever played in the NFL.
    Goodell will be remembered as a puny little twerp who tried to ruin the NFL.

  7. This really is not even about Rodger Goodell’s alleged rightful abilities as an “ultimate control” Arbitrator….

    Its now about ANYONE’s abilities who sits as an Arbitrator with Ultimate Control. Having “ultimate control” still requires that you DO the job properly.

    There are forms of misconduct that can be brought vs ANY Arbitrator with ANY alleged power, if he abuses his authority to attempt to justify something NOT in the job title. IE: He cant shoot the accused! (Which is good, because Goodell might want to by the end of this!)

  8. That picture looks like John Houseman, not Kenneth Feinberg.

    “Smith Barney makes money the old fashioned way. They earn it.”

  9. I wish I had the money to start a “Deflategate” cable channel. With all of the hits for/against NE/Brady, NFL/Goodell, I probably could have made a huge score!

  10. It seems Goodell is basing punishment on “integrity of the game” and not on equipment violation. And if that’s what he’s doing, the NFL may as well do away with punishment for equipment violations and make all equipment violations punishable under the heading of Integrity of the Game. Seems Goodell makes up the rules and punishments as he wants.

    On the other hand, this whole saga reeks of making up for what wasn’t done to the Patriots for Spygate.

  11. Also playing devils advocate The ideal gas law has been beaten like a dead horse but only directed at Goodel. Well what about directing to Brady ? For instance, the balls may have been declared to right above minimum PSI. But knowing the ideal gas law couldn’t Brady have figured it out the pressure would be lower the. Normal due to the cold weather the more time the balls were exposed to the cold ? Yes they were within the low end of the margin but knowing all too well from experience , they would be even softer as the wether got colder. Again, no doc in the fight, just giving an opinion of the ideal gas law directed towards Brady. As I said , comparing comletitive advantage of one player violating the rule is one thing. But the affect of one player violating the equipment rule effectively gave competitive advantage to every player on offense that could possibly touch the ball. Again, just opinion on this equipment violation stuff. Not meant to snub any NE fan.

  12. “It’s hard not to wonder whether those briefs would have been more useful to the process if they’d been submitted before the original three-judge panel resolved the case in the league’s favor through a 2-1 vote.”

    It was probably hard for any of those filing to believe it would have been necessary for them to point out the obvious to two of those three judges. How could anyone have guessed with: science having proven there was no intentional deflation an unproven equipment violation somehow morphed into conduct detrimental, a collectively bargained schedule of punishments would be ignored, Goodell having been biased in the arbitration and willfully misrepresenting Brady’s testimony in his finding that two of three judges would have found that the language in any CBA could obviate the requirement of any arbitrator under federal law to act fairly and without bias?

    Seriously, how could anyone have guessed 2 of 3 judges could have swallowed that level of bs?

  13. Brady suspension was pretty much in line with all Goodells discipline. Knee jerk and arbitrary. That said it appears Brady and his ball boys were messing with the footballs.

  14. 2016StockMarketCrash says:
    Jun 2, 2016 4:59 PM
    Too bad Tommy boy didn’t put this much effort into beating the Giants in the big game not once but twice.:

    NE had the lead in both of those games…Their defense let them down, not Brady.

  15. edelmanfanclub says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:02 PM

    Im curious how many people on here that think Brady has a tainted legacy have JDs

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    I do.

    But I don’t think his legacy is all that tainted, and I don’t think the suspension is appropriate.

    I’m just waiting for all those amicus briefs in support of the league to start rolling in from law professors in Indianapolis, New York, Buffalo, Miami… and waiting… and waiting….

  16. All this Tom foolery…..my goodness….just let him play. He’s teetering on the old slow footed sack drunk QB cliff anyways…unless Gisselle starts having mass deliveries of HGH, the run is on its last soon to be 40 year old legs.

  17. Queue the haters saying they that:
    1. The professors are all Pats fans
    2. The professors should just shut up
    3. The professors were paid off
    4. The professors are all friends of Kraft/Brady/BB
    5. The professors don’t know what they are talking about
    6. The professors were all born near Boston

    There. That should just about cover it.

  18. 2016StockMarketCrash says:
    Jun 2, 2016 4:59 PM
    Too bad Tommy boy didn’t put this much effort into beating the Giants in the big game not once but twice.
    _________________

    As a Giants fan I find it hysterical that ‘Phins fans tout this. The Patriots played the Giants in those two games not miami. Is your jealous hate so all consuming it makes you demean both teams that were clearly superior to yours? Brady played like a warrior in those games and took a pounding, so did Eli. They were two phenomenal defensive games. There are two sides of the ball at the line of scrimmage, neophytes forget that. Not that anyone expects a ‘Phins fan to know much of anything about what goes into winning playoff football but if you knew anything about football you would know the Giants defense won those games, the Patriots didn’t lose them.

  19. What about the 3 out of 4 deflated balls, that the Colts were using. Probably 11 of 12, if they kept going. Amazing the jelousy. What were the Colts doing with a pressure gauge on their sideline. Why did the Linebacker say that someone in my organization is lying. He never said the ball felt deflated, after the interception. Hope this goes to the supreme court so that Griggson and harbaugh both get Indicted, Liars.

  20. mongo3401 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:16 PM

    Also playing devils advocate The ideal gas law has been beaten like a dead horse but only directed at Goodel. Well what about directing to Brady ? For instance, the balls may have been declared to right above minimum PSI. But knowing the ideal gas law couldn’t Brady have figured it out the pressure would be lower the. Normal due to the cold weather the more time the balls were exposed to the cold ? Yes they were within the low end of the margin but knowing all too well from experience , they would be even softer as the wether got colder. Again, no doc in the fight, just giving an opinion of the ideal gas law directed towards Brady. As I said , comparing comletitive advantage of one player violating the rule is one thing. But the affect of one player violating the equipment rule effectively gave competitive advantage to every player on offense that could possibly touch the ball. Again, just opinion on this equipment violation stuff. Not meant to snub any NE fan.

    The NFL minimum is 12.5 PSI…If Brady wants them at 12.5 PSI before game time there is no rule violation as the NFL’s stipulated PSI rules are 12.5-13.5 PSI in the footballs. No Violation.

  21. First we have a bunch of science professors that don’t understand the Ideal Gas Law, now we have a bunch of law professors that have trouble understanding what the appeal is all about. The anti-business left wingers seem to be clueless.

  22. Surf Bandits says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:22 PM
    2016StockMarketCrash says:
    Jun 2, 2016 4:59 PM
    Too bad Tommy boy didn’t put this much effort into beating the Giants in the big game not once but twice.:

    NE had the lead in both of those games…Their defense let them down, not Brady.
    ___________________

    Their D let them down??? The Giants held the best offense the league had ever seen up to that point to 14 & 17 points. The Giants D won those games, a little respect goes a long way

  23. Im curious how many people on here that think Brady has a tainted legacy have JDs

    Only a Pat’s fan would be arrogant enough to suggest you need a JD to be entitled to an opinion. An opinion different from yours is not always wrong….unless you are a child. Time to have a snickers while hiking up your big boy pants and move on. You will not change people’s minds with arrogance …..honest two way communication maybe.

  24. It really doesn’t matter how this turns out, he will forever be known as a cheater in 99%of the peoples minds!

  25. In the future, a best-selling movie will FOREVER PRESERVE the disgraceful actions of the current NFL office and forever preserve the excellence of this Great Football Team.

    Since the end of the first half of the game in question: Brady 44 Touchdowns, 9 Interceptions; AFC Championship WIN; Super Bowl WIN; and helped his team win enough games to play in the last AFC Championship game.

    FACTS:
    During 19 January, 2015 (day after AFC Championship Game), an official letter sent to Mr. Kraft from the senior vice president of NFL operations (David Gardi) informed the Patriots that an investigation will be conducted.

    1. FACT: On page two, the letter states the following: … “each of the Colts’ game balls that was inspected met the requirements set forth.” READ THE LETTER!

    That statement turns out to be totally not true. Page 8, of the Wells report confirms that 3 of the 4 Colts’ footballs were in fact deflated. Who from the NFL office directed to stop testing the Colts’ remaining 8 footballs???

    2. FACT: The NFL has admitted that they DID NOT know anything about the Ideal Gas Law (IGL). That admission is incredible!

    3. FACT: Brady was found guilty by the NFL office based on “ASSUMPTIONS AND DATA THAT IS UNCERTAIN” (quote Wells Report).

    4. What would you do if someone in your family was accused and deemed guilty based on “ASSUMPTIONS AND DATA THAT IS UNCERTAIN” (quote Wells Report)? Could you accept that???

    5. Why wouldn’t Brady turn his cell phone in? …… Would you provide your cell phone to folks that you know are not truthful (19 Jan. letter)???

    6. FACT: NFL announces creation of PSI rules shortly before leaking story that Brady “destroys” phone. Thus, the public quickly forgets the NFL admits they had no PSI rules or knowledge of the Ideal Gas Law.

    7. This is AMERICA and King Roger and Troy Vincent are NOT bigger than our great Country! The Missouri Supreme Court, in a separate case, stated in May, 2015: …. “the terms of the contract designating the NFL commissioner, an employee of the team owners, as the sole arbitrator with unfettered discretion to establish the rules for arbitration are unconscionable and, therefore, unenforceable”.

    In the future, a best-selling movie will FOREVER PRESERVE the disgraceful actions of the current NFL office and forever preserve the excellence of this Great Football Team.

  26. daysend564 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:40 PM

    Here is a brief: Don’t cheat
    ==================================
    Here’s a brief: Science PROVES there was no cheating.
    fixed it for you.

  27. If the complaint is that Goddell considered new evidence in the appeal as you stress in your post, you do realize that is only delaying until a hearing of first impression on the new evidence, don’t you? So he has a new hearing and comes back with a properly founded decision based on the “new” evidence that you assert should not have been part of the first appeal. Delay, not a substantive resolution.

  28. mongo3401 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:02 PM

    Equipment violations, including Stickum, usually involve one person violating the rule. In the case of a deflated football? It involves 7 people on offense. All RBs all receivers. the center and the QB
    Using the stickun violation as an equipment violation as a bench mark does not apply. JMO
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    What about the fact that when the Jets actually got caught over inflating balls it was just a fine for the team? How does that not apply? So over inflated = fine but under inflated = federal case? Goodell keeps losing cases because he`s inconsistent and ignores the CBA that HE negotiated.

  29. bert1913 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:41 PM
    Brady did it, case closed
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    Hallelujah! Finally the guy with the smoking gun and the proof to show it’s bona fide. Where have you been all this time? If you could just trot out that indisputable evidence and end our long national nightmare so everyone could move on that would just be great.

  30. Maybe the judges would actually study the case in-depth because this is not really just about Brady. Science was misused and Goodell’s blatant abuse of power will have repercussions in the future of workers. Brady can handle the monetary cost but others can’t. Brady is fighting for his name that is why he is not giving up.
    The smart people are standing up for what is right. They know what is at stake.

  31. dbarnes67 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:31 PM

    First we have a bunch of science professors that don’t understand the Ideal Gas Law, now we have a bunch of law professors that have trouble understanding what the appeal is all about. The anti-business left wingers seem to be clueless.
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    The fact that you think all of those professors are more clueless than you pretty much rules you out as unbiased.

  32. dbarnes67 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:31 PM
    First we have a bunch of science professors that don’t understand the Ideal Gas Law, now we have a bunch of law professors that have trouble understanding what the appeal is all about. The anti-business left wingers seem to be clueless.

    I think I’m going along with the Science and Law Professors. You didn’t win me over with your argument.

  33. Awes0me!! So many “Friends of the Court” Briefs filed by NE attornies that do not have paying clients. This is so New England!! Ding dong, Kennedys are here!

  34. Never said minimum pressure was a violation. But knowing they will drop in the cold and ignoring it ? Think before you hit send

  35. jag1959 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:35 PM
    Surf Bandits says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:22 PM
    2016StockMarketCrash says:
    Jun 2, 2016 4:59 PM
    Too bad Tommy boy didn’t put this much effort into beating the Giants in the big game not once but twice.:

    NE had the lead in both of those games…Their defense let them down, not Brady.
    ___________________

    Their D let them down??? The Giants held the best offense the league had ever seen up to that point to 14 & 17 points. The Giants D won those games, a little respect goes a long way

    Tons of respect for the Giants in those games not taking anything away from them…Like I said, I made a few $$$ on the game.
    I remember Y.A., Del Shofner, Alex Webster, Sam Huff, Ally Sherman on the sideline, Frank Gifford, etal…I grew up watching the Giants on TV every Sunday! They’re the main reason I love and played the game of football.

  36. davidceltic says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:46 PM

    In the future, a best-selling movie will FOREVER PRESERVE the disgraceful actions of the current NFL office and forever preserve the excellence of this Great Football Team.
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    Had the same thought myself.
    Was thinking that Mark Wahlberg should produce and or direct the movie. Maybe get Matt Damon to play the part of Tom Brady.

    The Matt Damon reference in the video titled “Tom Brady’s Wicked Accent” is funny. The entire video is really funny. You can find it online.

    Although some people without any sense of humor would probably watch it and invent another silly reason to hate him.

  37. Yeah, Ken Feinberg is really impartial. He opens his mouth and the entirety of Dorchester falls out. The guy is a total Boston homer. Maybe I should send him a DeflateGateHat!

  38. Working the smoke and mirror machine pretty hard. Patriot fans know Carapolo really sucks.

  39. Brady’s backed by the best legal opinions money can buy. Even if William Jennings Bryan filed a brief and made arguments before the court, it wouldn’t matter. Brady will be watching the first four games in his briefs, on the couch.

  40. Nothing like an array of lawyers that nobody reading this could afford in ten lifetimes trying to glue back together something that everyone outside a small swath of New England knows is broken forever.

  41. jag1959 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:35 PM
    Surf Bandits says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:22 PM
    2016StockMarketCrash says:
    Jun 2, 2016 4:59 PM
    Too bad Tommy boy didn’t put this much effort into beating the Giants in the big game not once but twice.:

    NE had the lead in both of those games…Their defense let them down, not Brady.
    ___________________

    Their D let them down??? The Giants held the best offense the league had ever seen up to that point to 14 & 17 points. The Giants D won those games, a little respect goes a long way.

    —————–

    I think his point was Brady led the Pats down the field with less than 3 minutes and took the lead in both games. The Pats’ D couldn’t hold it either time.

  42. mongo3401 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:02 PM
    Equipment violations, including Stickum, usually involve one person violating the rule. In the case of a deflated football? It involves 7 people on offense. All RBs all receivers. the center and the QB
    Using the stickun violation as an equipment violation as a bench mark does not apply. JMO
    ==================
    So basically only apply this as an equipment violation based on the number of people who touch the ball. If less than 3 it’s ok. Otherwise the integrity of the NFL has been compromised and the player should be suspended for 4 games, the team fined and draft picks forfeited. Maybe the NFL should just create singe person rules. Just in case.

  43. You know what most courts and judges do when they have too many legal briefs? Throw them aside and ignore ’em. There’s no rule stating that the court has to consider friend of the court briefs.

  44. Poor Pats fans and their never ending inferiority complex knowing their favorite cheaters will never be respected and looked at in NFL history with real dynasties that earned it the right way.

  45. demolition510 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:13 PM
    Has the deflator gained his weight back?
    ================================
    Has Goodell used the logs Brady provided yet?

  46. Poor Dolphins fans — their teams is listed as only having 9 teams out of 32 doing more cheating than them. It’s all listed on line on that site that documents the incidents labeled cheating of all 32 teams. The Patriots are near the bottom of the list and should move lower once that sites realizes that the NFL already admitted that the NFL controls headsets during games. Not the home teams.

  47. Della Street says:
    Jun 2, 2016 6:21 PM
    jag1959 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:35 PM
    Surf Bandits says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:22 PM
    2016StockMarketCrash says:
    Jun 2, 2016 4:59 PM
    Too bad Tommy boy didn’t put this much effort into beating the Giants in the big game not once but twice.:

    NE had the lead in both of those games…Their defense let them down, not Brady.
    ___________________

    Their D let them down??? The Giants held the best offense the league had ever seen up to that point to 14 & 17 points. The Giants D won those games, a little respect goes a long way.

    —————–

    I think his point was Brady led the Pats down the field with less than 3 minutes and took the lead in both games. The Pats’ D couldn’t hold it either time.

    Thank you DellaStreet for helping me out. Very much appreciated. Sometimes my words don’t come out the right way, but you did sum it up. I meant no disrespect to jag or any Giants fan.

  48. sixringslikeatelephone says:
    Jun 2, 2016 6:19 PM

    Nothing like an array of lawyers that nobody reading this could afford in ten lifetimes trying to glue back together something that everyone outside a small swath of New England knows is broken forever.
    ————————

    You’re probably right. Trying to restore integrity to Roger Goodell and the league office would be be like all of those horses and men trying to put Humpty Dumpty back together.

  49. Della Street says:
    Jun 2, 2016 6:21 PM
    I think his point was Brady led the Pats down the field with less than 3 minutes and took the lead in both games. The Pats’ D couldn’t hold it either time.
    ———————–

    If we’re going that route it’s only fair to point out Brady got the ball back down less than a TD after the Giants went ahead in both games. The Giants fan is right, in holding the Pats to 14 and 17 their D won the games. They were great games and both ripped my heart out at the time but looking back on them now that Brady has his 4th ring is a lot easier. I tip my cap to those Giants teams. Once you get past the outcomes they were incredible edge of the seat battles. SB blowouts suck almost as bad as the Dolphins

  50. Pete Carroll is a 9/11 truther says:
    Jun 2, 2016 6:24 PM
    You know what most courts and judges do when they have too many legal briefs? Throw them aside and ignore ’em. There’s no rule stating that the court has to consider friend of the court briefs.
    ————————————————————–

    True, I think they are hoping they have integrity about their job.

  51. mongo3401 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:16 PM
    Also playing devils advocate The ideal gas law has been beaten like a dead horse but only directed at Goodel. Well what about directing to Brady ? For instance, the balls may have been declared to right above minimum PSI. But knowing the ideal gas law couldn’t Brady have figured it out the pressure would be lower the. Normal due to the cold weather the more time the balls were exposed to the cold ? Yes they were within the low end of the margin but knowing all too well from experience , they would be even softer as the wether got colder. Again, no doc in the fight, just giving an opinion of the ideal gas law directed towards Brady. As I said , comparing comletitive advantage of one player violating the rule is one thing. But the affect of one player violating the equipment rule effectively gave competitive advantage to every player on offense that could possibly touch the ball. Again, just opinion on this equipment violation stuff. Not meant to snub any NE fan.
    =====================
    The root problem is the permissible PSI range doesn’t consider climate difference. And never has. Which makes the unfair advantage angle from this completely laughable. If you read the amicus brief from the 21 professors earlier this week you’d see over 60% of the games played since 1960 would have resulted in unfair advantages. I understand the it works both ways argument here but the reality is the rules need to accommodate the climate differences otherwise we’re right back here with QBs asking for differing degrees of PSI preferences and “advantages” created from that.

  52. Tommy boy should also put more effort in trying to beat the Dolphins on the road where he has choked in the 4th quarter the last 3 times costing his team home field advantage for the 2015 postseason, oh well they would have lost to Denver at home anyway so no big deal. 🙂

  53. mongo3401 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 6:07 PM

    Never said minimum pressure was a violation. But knowing they will drop in the cold and ignoring it ? Think before you hit send
    ———————————

    If it was that big of a deal, the NFL would have addressed it before a game in 2015. Of course, since they didn’t know about it until after that game, that point is moot.

    Not sure what anyone is supposed to do about it though, unless the NFL wants to employ football fluffers, who do nothing more than keep the air pressure of the footballs between 12.5 and 13.5PSI.

  54. When is Roger going to show the public, the tested PSI levels last year. Wait I forgot, it would of been leaked by now if it helped the NFL. Everyone with a brain, knows what the 12 scientist have already proven about PSI levels and cold weather. Roger show us the evidence, so that the haters can actually have something.

  55. The two justices who sided with the league definitely ignored the case law, the precedents cited by Berman. En banc appeals are so rarely heard I expect the 2nd circuit to pass on this one.

    Let’s see what Jimmy has. We’ll still make the playoffs and contend again. What really pisses people off is how good the org is. Six straight NFC championship games? I predict it will be seven.

  56. This isn’t even about the original offense anymore. It’s about Goodell and what he can or can not do.

    The Rice & Peterson cases were also handled poorly by Roger. Brady’s case will lay the groundwork for the future one way or the other.

  57. No Dolphin fan that supported The Patriots being robbed of 2 draft picks can gloat if The Dolphins are handed any wins against The Patriots in the next 10 years. Since the NFL stole the picks to help you win, it really won’t count if you do win.

    Don’t worry you can still gloat on the Dolphin pages where all the participation trophy losers, I mean “winners” will be.

    NFL has become just like the kids soccer leagues where they don’t keep score. Dolphins fans overheard sobbing “We don’t want the big bad Patriots to win too much” as they appeal to the commissioner to weaken The Patriots.

  58. goodellisahero says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:57 PM

    Sheriff Goodell will prevail! Then he will stick Kraft with the legal expenses.
    ===================================
    One can only hope.

  59. Geezus, just get rid of this useless rule already! BOTH teams supply their OWN balls that are scuffed up, rubbed down and inflated to the level that their QB likes it. Given that, and the intent of this rule was not to give an unfair advantage to the home team who used to supply ALL the boys, why is this rule still in place? Goodell should just agree to fine Brady, rescind the rule and let the NFL move on already!

  60. I find it truly amazing that all of a sudden these arbitrators and lawyers come out of the woodwork to file these useless “friend of the court” briefs at the last minute. I would bet that very few of them are really completely familiar with the facts in this case (and I don’t mean the footballs because they are not part of this decision).

  61. 2016StockMarketCrash says:
    Jun 2, 2016 6:30 PM
    Poor Pats fans and their never ending inferiority complex knowing their favorite cheaters will never be respected and looked at in NFL history with real dynasties that earned it the right way.
    ====================

    Pats fans can live with some game taping location violations that were ridiculously over punished considering the results were never used in the same game.

    Niners fans live with Walsh’s admitted headset tampering, stickum, lubed jerseys and Steve Young paying ball boys to keep balls warm without too much trouble.

    Steelers fans don’t sweat that their dynasty years arrived on a river of ‘roids.

    Not that anyone elevates 2 SB’s with dynasty talk but it doesn’t seem to bother fish fans that no championships are more tainted than theirs, heck not only did they tamper to get the coach that won them but the old field flooding fraud called Belichick a cheater.

  62. mongo3401 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:02 PM
    Equipment violations, including Stickum, usually involve one person violating the rule. In the case of a deflated football? It involves 7 people on offense. All RBs all receivers. the center and the QB
    Using the stickun violation as an equipment violation as a bench mark does not apply. JMO
    _________________________________________

    The number of players affected by an equipment violation is entirely irrelevant. Just ask Minny and the Panthers. If the number was relevant, it would have been spelled out specifically in the CBA. But nice try with the straw man argument.

    The football is a piece of the equipment of the game. If it is tampered with (something that remarkably still hasn’t been proven) it is an equipment violation and subject to a fine. Nothing more.

    -Lions fan

  63. Plus the fact that we all know the balls deflated naturally. After all, the Colts’ balls were illegally low as well.

    I understand that the eventual En Banc hearing is about Goodell overstepping his authority, but how does he have the power to punish a team and individuals for something we all know didn’t happen? In essence, the 2 judges from NY ruled that Goodell has the power to punish the Steelers for something the Ravens do.

    Gee, makes sense to me…

  64. And when will people learn the only difference between NE and 70s PIT, 80s SF, late 90s Broncos, etc is we now live in the 24 hour news cycle and internet age.

    That and the “we HAVE to find something to be offended by and/or protest”

    It really is that simple.

  65. detsteve says:
    Jun 2, 2016 7:27 PM
    I find it truly amazing that all of a sudden these arbitrators and lawyers come out of the woodwork to file these useless “friend of the court” briefs at the last minute. I would bet that very few of them are really completely familiar with the facts in this case (and I don’t mean the footballs because they are not part of this decision).

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    If you took the time to read the amicus briefs you’d see that they are “really completely familiar” with the case. You see, in order to make a compelling argument one would need to have studied the case to provide counter points. All the briefs select particular instances where they feel the NFL overstepped the law.

  66. Goodell will die a rich man and he will have made the billionaire’s even more money but he will go down as one of the most corrupt commissioners in history. He is the lobbyist defending the Tobacco industry against Cancer allegations.

    The Brady casr along with Ray Rice will be added stories to how much of a fraud this guy was. He would back the Nazis if the NFL owners told him too

  67. Roger has got to be extremely embarrassed.

    All these very smart people from different professions, backgrounds and different universities all across the country using very eloquent language that at its core basically is saying he is an incompetent fool whose actions and decisions are purely the result of bias and are completely absent of fairness.

    They are right though. He is a fool.

  68. mmack66 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 6:51 PM

    Not sure what anyone is supposed to do about it though, unless the NFL wants to employ football fluffers, who do nothing more than keep the air pressure of the footballs between 12.5 and 13.5PSI.

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    That would seem to beg for complaints by Tomlin & Roethlisburger

  69. Patriots should sue to get their money back AND an additional first round pick in the coming draft.

    That would be REASONABLE as this is an equipment violation and all of the teams benefitted from the Patriots not having a first round pick this year.

    I also hate the Patriots and want to see Von Miller and Co hit mind more than 23 times this year, but fair is fair.

    Chiefs should get their pick back considering Woody Johnson only got a small fine compared to being docked a 3rd round pick.

  70. Im curious how many people on here that think Brady has a tainted legacy have JDs

    _______________

    Not sure how many on here have law degree.

    But I do know one person that does not.

    His name is Roger Goodell.

  71. Nothing happened….

    Pats should get 2 -1st round picks next year & their 4th rounder reinstalled….

    The ONLY CRIME commited was by the LEAGUE ITSELF!!!
    That is the reality & truth!!!

  72. jag1959 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:30 PM
    2016StockMarketCrash says:
    Jun 2, 2016 4:59 PM
    Too bad Tommy boy didn’t put this much effort into beating the Giants in the big game not once but twice.
    _________________

    As a Giants fan I find it hysterical that ‘Phins fans tout this. The Patriots played the Giants in those two games not miami. Is your jealous hate so all consuming it makes you demean both teams that were clearly superior to yours? Brady played like a warrior in those games and took a pounding, so did Eli. They were two phenomenal defensive games. There are two sides of the ball at the line of scrimmage, neophytes forget that. Not that anyone expects a ‘Phins fan to know much of anything about what goes into winning playoff football but if you knew anything about football you would know the Giants defense won those games, the Patriots didn’t lose them.

    100% correct – as a 20 year Patriot season ticket holder who was at SB 49 and sill stares at the ceiling thinking about 19-0 lost, the Giants deserved the close win in SB42 and 49 was as evenly played as any game and it came down to 2 or 3 plays.

  73. These professors are tools.
    They could have come out in support of so many abuses by Goodell, so why wait until now?
    Brady has better lawyers than the Star caps guys.

  74. earlier comment: Equipment violations, including Stickum, usually involve one person violating the rule.


    Did you ever hear about the Chargers use of stickum towels, several of them, shared by dozens of offensive and defensive players?

    see:

    “Following a review … the NFL has determined that the club did not violate a competitive rule by use of the towels,” the league said.

    “However, NFL game officials are charged with protecting the integrity and competitive fairness of the games and club staff members, like players and coaches, have a clear obligation to cooperate in this effort and comply with the direction of game officials.

    “As a result of the failure of club staff to follow the directive of a game official to immediately surrender the towels when directed to do so, and to attempt to conceal the towels, the Chargers have been fined $20,000.”

  75. I love it when brady haters come on these things and say things like “Fact: Brady did it.” If only if it were that simple.

    All such a statement reveals is your bias. The only fact is that the Patriots balls deflated 8% less than What Walt Anderson recalled they were.

    None of us know why that was. We all have our opinion. The NFL made an accusation the Brady and the ball boys did it, but they certainly did not prove that a conspiracy existed, let alone that Brady was involved.

    To me there is a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why the balls dropped in pressure. The known scientific relationship between temp and pressure. Considering the science, the fact that the observed deflation was Very approximate to what science would predict and the paucity of compelling evidence otherwise, i see how no reasonable person could argue that the most likely explanation is that there was a conspiracy or a conspiracy that involved Brady.

  76. Also any objective person has to consider that Roger Goodell and the NFL has a long history of lying, distorting and manipulting information and Brady does not have any such history.

  77. It is still the NFL. Goodell should scuttle the season if the judges think their authority is greater than that of the NFL, its owners, and their employee: Goodell. It is their business and they will do as they like.

  78. Every time I read something new, I get hopeful. At the same time, I’m trying not to. Brady hardly ever loses when he has his full complement of weapons. I’d say he’s loaded with weapons this go around. If he does get the en banc, I can’t wait to watch Goodell meet with the media. He was so pompous on his victory lap. I hope Brady gets his, and gets Goodell, Pash, and Vincent fired! I know I’m missing a lot of people on Park Ave, the too should go.

  79. The assault against the Patriots starting with Spy-Gate

    The loss to the GIANTS in 2004

    The loos to the GIANTS in 2008

    Goodel/NFL and FRAME-GATE against Brady

    These events are ALL INTERCONNECTED and unfortunately, most of America can not read the WRITING on the WALL, neither are they able to interpret what it means.

  80. JaminJake says:
    Jun 2, 2016 8:33 PM

    Patriots should sue to get their money back AND an additional first round pick in the coming draft.

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    Good idea. The Patriots should get the 1st pick in the 1st round of the 2017 draft to make up for being cheated and smeared by the rest of the NFL.

    The Patriots will also earn the 32nd pick in the 2017 1st round because of they way they will play in the 2016/2017 season. That would give them 2 1st round picks. And they should also have their 2017 4th round pick reinstated. And Brady should not miss any games.

    Then the NFL can become honest and make the following rule changes just for The Patriot games.
    No coin toss to start the game – the Patriots opponent is just given the ball at the start of each half of the game on The Patriots 1 yard line.
    And every time The Patriots score the opponent team starts with the ball on the 50 yard line.
    Every team the opponent scores The Patriots start with the ball on their own 1 yard line.

    Maybe these rule changes would satisfy the Patriots detractors happy and establish the anti Patriot league parity that so many non Patriot fans seem to support. Then nobody has to deny science but the other teams are still given a big advantage.

    It’s just a more transparent way to create league parity than using the weather as an excuse to take away The Patriots draft picks and remove Tom Brady for 25% of a season.

  81. JaminJake says:
    Jun 2, 2016 8:33 PM

    Patriots should sue to get their money back AND an additional first round pick in the coming draft.

    ————————————————————–

    Good idea. The Patriots should get the 1st pick in the 1st round of the 2017 draft to make up for being cheated and smeared by the rest of the NFL.

    The Patriots will also earn the 32nd pick in the 2017 1st round because of the way they will play in the 2016/2017 season. That would give them two 1st round picks. And they should also have their 2017 4th round pick reinstated. And Brady should not miss any games.

    Then the NFL can become honest and make the following rule changes just for Patriot games.

    No coin toss to start the game – the Patriots opponent is just given the ball at the start of each half of the game on The Patriots 1 yard line. And every time The Patriots score the opponent team starts with the ball on the 50 yard line. Every time the opponent scores The Patriots start with the ball on their own 1 yard line.

    Maybe these rule changes would satisfy the Patriots detractors and establish the anti-Patriot league parity that so many anti-Patriot fans seem to support. The stupid people don’t have to deny science but the other teams are still given a big advantage.

    That’s just a more transparent way to create league parity than using the weather as an excuse to take away The Patriots draft picks and remove Tom Brady for 25% of a season.

  82. All the whine that fits in a bottle and you Patriots haters (just google “NFL cheats” to see how much more your team cheats than the Pats) will roll around on the floor when the injustice is meted out on your team.

  83. 2016StockMarketCrash says:
    Jun 2, 2016 4:59 PM
    Too bad Tommy boy didn’t put this much effort into beating the Giants in the big game not once but twice.
    _________________

    As a Giants fan I find it hysterical that ‘Phins fans tout this. The Patriots played the Giants in those two games not miami. Is your jealous hate so all consuming it makes you demean both teams that were clearly superior to yours? Brady played like a warrior in those games and took a pounding, so did Eli. They were two phenomenal defensive games. There are two sides of the ball at the line of scrimmage, neophytes forget that. Not that anyone expects a ‘Phins fan to know much of anything about what goes into winning playoff football but if you knew anything about football you would know the Giants defense won those games, the Patriots didn’t lose them.
    ———————–
    As a Pats fan, I respect the Giants, even though those Super Bowls are tough to swallow. But I’m pretty sure that had the Giants lost, they and Coughlin would not have whined and made excuses and claimed that anyone cheated or were using deceptive plays. They would man up and accept it, like the Patriots did. But there are teams (especially Colts and Ravens) which always want to blame their loss on something other than simply being outplayed and/or outcoached.

  84. Only 12?

    So in a nation filled with political & economic relationships & Billions in fortune…the most Kraft, Brady & the NFLPA can derive is 12 lawyers, whose opinions are bought & sold (that is what they do for living), to argue on Brady’s side? More likely is there is more coming, bought & paid for opinions. Pretty sad how low & weak minded our society has fallen.

  85. “If you took the time to read the amicus briefs you’d see that they are “really completely familiar” with the case. You see, in order to make a compelling argument one would need to have studied the case to provide counter points. All the briefs select particular instances where they feel the NFL overstepped the law.”
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    I’m surprised that you did have the time to read the briefs since that were just filed today.

  86. NFL spending 20 million on psi and then pull back 16 million for CTE study. Any NFL fan with any common sense knows now this was a ridiculous response to an innocuous offense. Still waiting for someone to show how .02 less psi in a ball is a competitive advantage when all the stats show otherwise.

  87. Some of the dumbest comments on the internet are posted here.

    I cannot tell if those folks are simply very, very jealous of the patriots repeated and probable future success, or just mental midgets. The visural insecurity is stunning.

  88. chumpley says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:20 PM
    Law professors are still lawyers.

    Lawyers will say anything if someone pays them.
    *********************
    Lawyers are officers of the court. They don’t just put forth a theory just because. Also, people don’t get paid to file amicus curiae. The lawyers getting paid are the ones on file in the case.

  89. I don’t believe that fans are jealous in any way but I do believe that most people not on the New England Kool Aid are just tired of the Patriots cheating ways and the venom spewed by their fans. The only people proud of stolen success are those that have never competed fairly in the first place. Looking forward to the deafening roar of indignation from those blind loyalists that consider themselves superior from others “success”. Try being a fan of the game as well as a fan of a team and you might understand why cheating is frowned upon.

  90. I usually don’t bother wasting my time commenting on these articles but I can’t help but being amused at the majority of these comments. The one and only reason anyone would actually state that they believe Brady cheated is because of hate or jealousy! It is ABSOLUTELY clear that the league fumbled on this one, again I have no horse in this race but it is beyond blatant the this was a fabricated scandal in which the NFL dug too deep! The sad part, really is that so many people want the Patriots and Brady to be punished but do not realize that this could very easily be their team or their guy. Brady went out the next season and undoubtedly under close scrutiny torched everyone proving that the air pressure doesn’t make a difference. Think about this, if it was anyone else it wouldn’t have ever been talked about, there would have never been a multi million dollar investigation,an independent home-cooked report or falsely leaked numbers and information. It’s hilarious to think that the Vikings and panthers get a warning for violating what equates to be the same infraction on national television or that the chargers get a fine for intentionally using stickum on game balls, it becomes even more amusing when you consider that the game balls were over inflated by nearly 3psi during the Jets game or when criminal Goodell tried to cover up the Rice incident…….seriously, punching a woman in the face gets you the same suspension as air missing from a football ? The criminal really allowed a text from a part time game day employee in the off-season to affect the report and outcome of this investigation. It’s really a joke that this dude is still allowed to control this league. As far as the Patriots losing twice to the Giants…..first and foremost awesome games, secondly Brady was not at fault, the defense couldn’t hold the lead twice albeit there were a couple of great plays i.e the Tyree helmet catch and Eli escaping a sure sack. I mean the Welker drop didn’t help but in the end the Giants were the better football “team” on those days. No excuses,the Giants played well,so did Brady. Anyways the deflategate saga was blown out of proportion before the league had enough information and completely overreacted then they couldn’t back pedal so they blew it up made something out of nothing and used it as a diversion. The NFL and criminal Goodell should just man up, own it and end it!

  91. detsteve says:
    Jun 2, 2016 7:27 PM
    I find it truly amazing that all of a sudden these arbitrators and lawyers come out of the woodwork to file these useless “friend of the court” briefs at the last minute. I would bet that very few of them are really completely familiar with the facts in this case (and I don’t mean the footballs because they are not part of this decision).
    ——————————————————
    Now that is funny as it appears that the uninformed are the ones who are calling for Brady’s head.

  92. People should stop using the word, “deflate”. to deflate, air (or gas) must be let out of a football (or container). A change in air pressure is what occurs. Anyone who has used a pressure cooker knows how this works. Apply heat, the pressure increases. Once you turn off the heat….it cools down and the pressure drops.

  93. If the laws of science 100% without a shadow of a doubt prove that the balls were not tampered with, please explain to me how people can still say things like “it seem like something happened.” The 100% proves that nothing happened. That is a fact of science that can not be disputed, unless you don’t believe in the basic laws of Physics. Please anyone, someone, explain this to me. It truly is amazing how blissfully ignorant people are.

  94. A better solution to weaken The Patriots.

    The Patriots should get the 1st pick in the 1st round of the 2017 draft to make up for being cheated and smeared by the rest of the NFL. The Patriots were already robbed of their 1st round pick in the 2016 draft. 2016/2017 season. So this just gives them their rightful pick back with a slight upgrade.

    The Patriots will also earn the 32nd pick in the 2017 1st round because of the way they will play in the 2016/2017 season. That would give them two 1st round picks. And they should also have their 2017 4th round pick reinstated. And Brady should not miss any games. So this just puts The Patriots back to where they should already be. The higher pick in the 1st round just makes up for not having a 1st round player on their team for the 2016/2017 season.

    Then for the start of the 2017/2018 season the NFL can become honest and make the following rule changes just for Patriot games.

    No coin toss to start the game – the Patriots opponent is just given the ball at the start of each half of the game on The Patriots 1 yard line. And every time The Patriots score the opponent team starts with the ball on the 50 yard line. Every time the opponent scores The Patriots start with the ball on their own 1 yard line.

    Maybe these rule changes would satisfy the Patriots detractors and establish the anti-Patriot league parity that so many anti-Patriot fans seem to support. Then all the dimwits won’t have to keep denying science but the other 32 teams can still be handed a big advantage when they play The Patriots. These rules may even help keep The Patriots out of the playoffs.

    This would just be a slightly more transparent way to create league parity than using the weather as an excuse to take away The Patriots draft picks and remove Tom Brady for 25% of a season. Then the participation trophy fans of the other 31 teams can still feel “pride”, even if it’s false pride, when they are handed wins against a team that was intentionally weakened in order to give other teams a better chance to “beat” The Patriots.

    Those high school teams that win more than their fair share of games or run up the scores should have to play using similar rules. And all school teams and all 32 NFL teams should receive the same trophy as the championship team.

  95. Labor Lawyers and AFL-CIO(Union) lawyer siding with Labor? What a shock!!! I love the “Lawyers don’t put a theory out just because….” Sure they do ! Everyone has their politics…and Labor leaning lawyers are going to side with the laborer no matter how rich he(Brady) is. Give me a break Florio.

  96. worldizending says:
    Jun 3, 2016 7:06 AM

    People should stop using the word, “deflate”. to deflate, air (or gas) must be let out of a football (or container). A change in air pressure is what occurs. Anyone who has used a pressure cooker knows how this works. Apply heat, the pressure increases. Once you turn off the heat….it cools down and the pressure drops.

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    Unfortunately, the terms “deflated” and “deflate-gate” conjure up simplistic imagery of someone poking a needle into a football to let air out. The truth in this case is slightly more complicated because it involves basic science that can only be understood by someone that was awake during 7th grade science class and was intelligent enough to understand the concepts. The cold and wet weather conditions allowed the air pressure in the footballs to drop. No air escaped or was removed from the footballs. The pressure of the air that was already in the footballs was lowered naturally. It’s that concept that the many across the country are still unable to comprehend.

    A very simple science experiment can demonstrate the air pressure/temperature relationship. Try searching the popular online video site for: “The Ideal Gas Law: Crash Course Chemistry #12” (Crash Course).

    Then watch as science crushes a soda can at 6:15 in the video. The empty can is first heated on a burner of a stove and is then moved into a bowl of ice water. The cold ice water causes a rapid drop in air pressure in the heated soda can and the soda can is seen crushing on its own. “Understand that the soda can is really not empty. The soda can contains air. You know the same stuff that is pumped into footballs. The science that can be seen crushing the soda can is the same science that the NFL convinced so many gullible Patriots detractors to deny.

    Anyone that ever put a sealed bag of something in the microwave and watched it inflate as it got hot inside the bag should be able to understand that The Patriots never tampered with any footballs. It’s sad that so many people are either blinded by bias and/or are unable to apply logic.

  97. because lawyers never lie…

    ______

    The NFL has lawyers too. Many of them. So, whats your point?

  98. mongo3401 says:

    Never said minimum pressure was a violation. But knowing they will drop in the cold and ignoring it ? Think before you hit send

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    No one in the league was even thinking about the Ideal Gas Law before this all happened. Brady likes his footballs at 12.5. The rules state that they need to BE INFLATED TO NO LESS THAN 12.5, not inflated to a point that they wouldn’t potentially drop below 12.5 psi. You’re not being clever here.

  99. 2016StockMarketCrash says:
    Jun 3, 2016 7:00 AM

    Tainted titles mean nothing, only to a bandwagon fan base that did not exist prior to 2001.
    ——————————–

    Come on James, get some new material.

  100. ridingwithnohandlebars says:
    Jun 3, 2016 6:07 AM

    It’s like Miracle on 34th Street when all of the bags of letters children sent to Santa were being used as evidence.
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    Exactly like that, except instead of letters, it’s a bunch of out of context text messages.

    It’s laughable how many have been duped by Goodell’s lies.

  101. Part I: While I am a long time Redskins fan, I don’t just blindly hate other teams, like most here. I actually read the Wells Report, and have followed this whole thing. My clear conclusion: The Patriots and Tom Brady are completely innocent. The NFL spent $22.5M and found NOTHING. Why? Because NOTHING illegal took place. I’m no scientist, but when I leave my warm truck, and the screen shows my 4 tires at 38 PSI, and then the weather cools, and they are at 34 PSI, I don’t have to be one to realize what happens……

  102. Part II: Oh, but the ball man called himself The Deflator, they say. Yeah, the person in charge of inflating and deflating the footballs to get them into spec, once called himself The Deflator in an offseason text. Yep, that proves there was a system of illegally deflating footballs, to get them below the legal limit. LOL What a joke!

  103. Part III: Why did the NFL have to lie so much, if Brady were truly guilty? Why did they leak, to Chris Mortensen that 11 out of 12 balls were at least 2 PSI low, and that none of the Colts balls were below the legal limit? Why did they refuse to correct the record when asked to do so? Turns out all but one of the Patriots and Colts footballs were barely below, in keeping with the Ideal Gas law, as they sat in cool and wet weather. Did Luck deflate his footballs? No, and clearly neither did Brady.

  104. Of course all this could’ve been avoided if Brady hadn’t destroyed his phone….

    Colonel Childers was found not guilty of killing unarmed civilians in Yemen, because a video tape proving the civilians were armed was destroyed by the National Security Advisor which he was later prosecuted for…. His lawyer argued if the tape had shown unarmed civilians, We’d be looking at the tape…

    If Brady phone had proven his innocence, we’d have seen it and all this could’ve been avoided!…

  105. from reading these comments:

    the facts mean nothing to the haters

    being a dolphins fan must really suck

    people who argue using ad hominem have to realize they should just say nothing

    carry on

  106. Part IV: Then the genius haters say, “but Brady destroyed his phone”. The biggest crock and red herring by the NFL in this whole thing. Brady’s legal team told them that Brady is a high level celebrity and has no interest in giving them is phone. NFL says “we don’t need his phone, just give us the call/text logs”. Brady’s team does so. Brady upgrades to the IPhone6 later, and the NFL leaks to Stephen A. Smith that “Brady destroyed his phone”. The leak didn’t mention that the NFL already had phones from 11 other Patriot personnel, and had their been texts/calls to/from Brady, they would have been there too, BUT THERE WAS NONE, because it never happened.

  107. If Brady phone had proven his innocence, we’d have seen it and all this could’ve been avoided!…
    ============================

    interesting, and i am sure you also would say if the NFL made public the results of testing the ball pressure from last year the same would be true?

    yeah, i didn’t think so…

    carry on

  108. mongo3401 apparently the RB and WRs on the Patriots were not suspended but don’t let facts get in the way of your hate. You and the other haters Teams, were out coached and outplayed! End of Story! Greatest Coach and QB of all time! Keep spewing your jealousy if it makes you feel better! You and your teams have “a loser’s mentality” I’ll enjoy seeing our trophies at 1 Patriot Place Foxboro MA.

  109. The NFL decided that they would measure the footballs this past season, and did so. However, Goodell refuses to release the results. Why? Why do it, if you will then not release the results? If the results backed the NFL, you can bet they would have. Except, the results mirrored what the results in the NFL sting did, and show that Brady and the Patriots were completely innocent. If you can’t see that, than you are biased, and your opinion does not matter. Wake up folks, your team could be next.

  110. If you want to see what the ideal gas law can do, in very real terms, look up “mythbusters crush train car”. Watch the video of what happens to a tanker car when the warm air inside is cooled by outside forces.

    Then come back and tell me that Tom Brady had balls, that were filled in a 70 some odd degree room and then brought out into a cold rainy stadium IN WINTER (mid 40s if I remember correctly), deflated.

  111. midjuan

    Then come back and tell me that Tom Brady had balls, that were filled in a 70 some odd degree room and then brought out into a cold rainy stadium IN WINTER
    =================================

    the ball pressure as measured by the gauge walt anderson said he used were within the predicted values of the IGL.

    you really didn’t know that?

    also, the colts four balls measured were as predicted.

    But, the NFL stopped testing the colts balls.

    carry on

  112. lscottman3 says:

    the ball pressure as measured by the gauge walt anderson said he used were within the predicted values of the IGL.

    you really didn’t know that?

    also, the colts four balls measured were as predicted.

    But, the NFL stopped testing the colts balls.

    carry on

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    that was actually the point I was making… read the post again

  113. Would a someone trying to cheat on a rule send the rule book showing the referees what the limits are in psi and then violate that rule by telling the equipment guys to go under the limit, anyway? The jets game in 2014 in NY were at 16.0 psi according to the pats texts. Think about it. Hey refs, the rule is this, please pay attention to it. Ok guys, let’s break the rule. Yeah, I reminded them about it but let’s go under, anyway. Even though I texted you I prefer the balls at 12.5, that means I want them lower. Once again, this doesn’t add up.

  114. So many haters here saying “the lawyers are all from New England”, except that when you look at their bios, almost all of them are NOT from New England. Do some research before you spout! The Patriots were innocent, but I still Hail to the Redskins!

  115. igornathanhiggers says:
    Jun 3, 2016 8:20 AM
    Of course all this could’ve been avoided if Brady hadn’t destroyed his phone….
    =======================
    1. The nfl had no rights to his personal phone per the cba
    2. The nfl told him they didn’t need his phone
    3. The nfl used the destruction against Brady in the appeal
    4. From the texts Brady provided, texts were leaked about Manning being done in 2 years for which Brady had to apologize
    5. Brady turned over all his texts and the nfl had all texts from the ball boys. That means they had all texts to and from Brady

    Would you ever trust the nfl based on their track record?

  116. This does not seem like a ‘hail mary’ attempt like the article states. Its more like being down 3 with a 3rd down from the 5 yard line, as he has a very good chance of winning outright, and an almost sure bet he will get the suspension reduced to a fine. You cant have one side pretend to be an impartial arbitrator and railroad the other side.

  117. detsteve says:
    Jun 2, 2016 7:27 PM
    I find it truly amazing that all of a sudden these arbitrators and lawyers come out of the woodwork to file these useless “friend of the court” briefs at the last minute. I would bet that very few of them are really completely familiar with the facts in this case (and I don’t mean the footballs because they are not part of this decision)
    ==========================
    According to one of the judges who ruled 2-1 in favor of the nfl, the evidence against brady is “overwhelming”. I’m still trying to figure out if that guy actually knew the facts of the case since the nfl testified in the appeal that they had no direct evidence linking Brady to anything. It’s in the transcripts.

  118. nhpats says:
    Jun 2, 2016 4:52 PM
    Say, remember when #TheHaters predicted the Patriots would lead the league in fumbles last season? How did that turn out?
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    Remember the revenge tour? Broncos do!

  119. Who cares anymore? I can’t stand the Patriots and especially their fans but I’m sick of this debacle. I hope Brady wins and it’s over. He will retire in a couple years anyway.

  120. amadorcountyca says:
    Jun 2, 2016 11:31 PM

    Some of the dumbest comments on the internet are posted here.

    I cannot tell if those folks are simply very, very jealous of the patriots repeated and probable future success, or just mental midgets. The visural insecurity is stunning
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    I actually think a lot of these people hate Patriots fans more than they do the Patriots team. That is why they come here, to try to crank us, because there isn’t a whole lot of material to do that for most of them.

    One way they get to crank us is if Brady stays suspended. That’s why they have no interest in letting truth, fairness or justice get in the way of a Brady suspension.

    However as Patriots fans we’ve had our share of down years, and in all likelihood will again. But right now, and for the last 15+ years, we’ve had successful years, and we’ve not going to allow these trolls to diminish that success.

  121. Mr. Kraft must have paid a fortune for his public relation campaign. I must say, it is a brilliant one! These filings have all been planned in detail and timing. Kraft is trying to pressure a rehearing through the media and New England public out cry. I am sure the idea has come from a few high profile cases where the public demanded trial even the DA’s already knew there should not be a trial. I am hoping it does not work. It is Brady’s last shot of delaying his suspension for the up coming year.

  122. It’s amazing to me that Goodell has messed this up so bad that it’s having NATIONAL implications on labor law.

  123. Fortunately we are close to the end of the Brady/Belichek era. With any luck this will go away when they do and we can get back to talking about the game of football.
    Although it has apparently made millions of Ideal Gas Law experts in the Boston area.

  124. What a “miracle”. Eleven lawyers with nothing better to do than file a brief in the Brady appeal. To believe this was done “out of great respect for the law” you must suspend disbelief completely. Wonder who paid them and how much?

  125. Tom cheated on the field of play. This has nothing to do with “law”.

  126. r8dernation says:
    Jun 3, 2016 9:30 AM
    Tom cheated on the field of play. This has nothing to do with “law”.
    _____

    Your view and claim is based on the narrative written by the honest league office and the diatribe that has been going on about the Patriots and Brady by the attention seeking media those who hate their success.

    Brady and the Patriots must have cheated to be so good year in and year out. It has nothing to do with their preparation and hard work. Nothing at all. Anytime someone is at the top, there has to be something going on. And I will throw enough accusations out there so that something will stick and keep running with it to bring them down.

  127. mc2479 says:
    Jun 3, 2016 7:10 AM
    If the laws of science 100% without a shadow of a doubt prove that the balls were not tampered with, please explain to me how people can still say things like “it seem like something happened.” The 100% proves that nothing happened. That is a fact of science that can not be disputed, unless you don’t believe in the basic laws of Physics. Please anyone, someone, explain this to me. It truly is amazing how blissfully ignorant people are.
    _________________________________________

    How about instead of down voting you actually explain what part of my statement you disagree with.

  128. Icanthink, The Wells Report and the NFL said they did not have any direct evidence linking Brady’s involvement in this. However, with the burden of proof they were using, they did not need the ‘smoking gun’. They had the science, the texts, the lies and implauseable explainations of TB, JJ & JM. They had the unusal communication patterns. They had failure to cooperate from both Tom and the Patriots. But his destruction of his cell phone is really what tipped it over for Brady in the eyes of at least judges. What many don’t understand that regardless of what excuses, explaintions Brady gave for this action, does not mean it is the truth. He has no control over what investigators and judges think about his action. Clearly the NFL, at least two judges and a majority of the public believe he destroyed evidence that was harmful to him. It is call consciousnes of guilt.

  129. Seeing a lot of articles about people in support of Brady, but none about where he tried to pay-off the NFL to make this go away. Interesting.

  130. manzoa says:
    Jun 3, 2016 9:24 AM

    What a “miracle”. Eleven lawyers with nothing better to do than file a brief in the Brady appeal. To believe this was done “out of great respect for the law” you must suspend disbelief completely. Wonder who paid them and how much?
    ———————–

    You should know that the result of Goodell’s machinations has set a bad precedent that affects all arbitration from this point forward.

    That’s why you have 23 scientists, 11 law professors, the AFL-CIO, and 1 arbitrator filing briefs to try and restore integrity.

    If Roger Goodell survives all of this with his job intact, there is absolutely zero integrity amongst the owners or the league office.

  131. Maybe the Patriot haters here could submit their own legal brief. It could read:
    The NFL never cared about PSI and never measured it at halftime in the entire existence of the NFL history. Jealous billionaire owners conspired to create this frame job because they can’t beat the Patriot’s on the field. They got Roger Goodell to go along so he could keep his job. NFL leaks false reports that jealous patriot haters still treat as factual. 3 of 4 Colt’s footballs also tested below the legal PSI but that doesn’t matter because it doesn’t fit the railroad job that is being put in place. Goodell continues to tell lie after lie, and the lies can be factually proven but we Patriot haters of PFT continue to ignore this fact. Independent Ted Wells(NFL lie, he wasn’t independent and worked with the NFL front offices) said he did not need Brady’s phone and just wanted his phone records so we take Goodell’s side when he demands the phone at the appeal. Why did Goodell appointed Ted Wells say the phone wasn’t necessary? Never Mind, it doesn’t fit our anti-Patriot agenda agenda We ignore the fact that any of Brady’s messages would have been on the cell phones of the ball boys and the NFL examined their cell phones. We don’t let that fact get in the way that it isn’t necessary to have Brady’s cell phone because it would mean we would have to admit we are wrong about this. Most importantly, Judge Berman asked the NFL if they had proof that Brady had the balls deflated and the NFL admitted in court, they had no evidence he deflated the footballs. Ignore the Scientists that explain the ideal gas law and weather conditions caused ball deflation. We jealous Patriot haters know more than these people. The attorneys and arbitration experts are also morons be we know more than they do. I hope the second court will listen to our valuable advice and ignore the real facts and keep Brady suspended because how can we expect to beat the Patriots if he isn’t!
    Signed,
    The jealous fans of 31 other teams

  132. manzoa says:

    What a “miracle”. Eleven lawyers with nothing better to do than file a brief in the Brady appeal. To believe this was done “out of great respect for the law” you must suspend disbelief completely. Wonder who paid them and how much?
    ===============================

    let us assume they were paid, now instead of using the poor debater’s ad hominem tactic, try and point out anything in their brief that is not factual.

    here are a few points they made:

    Roger Goodell exceeded the authority provided to him under the Collective Bargaining Agreement

    Godell transmogrified an appellate hearing into a trial from scratch, improperly considering new evidence and finding new violations.

    Godell dispensed his own brand of industrial justice instead of respecting the limits to his powers and basic principles of fairness.

    Goodell lalleged Brady’s involvement in the deflation of footballs to PED use without regard to the fact that the PED policy was specific negotiated

    Goodell completely ignored the rules regarding equipment violations, which seem to be more relevant to the alleged infraction.

    Of course I now expect you to state the NFLPA gave the commissioner to do whatever he wants as long as he can say it is for the integrity of the game and Article 46.

    You see that is what this is all about, the Owners having complete say over whatever the players actions are.

    Then you may say the players negotiated poorly.

    Of course the players have no bargaining position. No other shop to ply their wares. A short period to earn, effectively eliminating a labor walk out.

    But, carry on

  133. boogerhut says: Jun 2, 2016 5:14 PM

    Law professors that can’t comprehend a contract. Not impressed.

    ………

    CBA contracts and actions taken that allegedly were part of the contract still cannot violate federal labor law, which Goodell clearly did here. No one in the scientific or legal realms have come to his defense so far.

  134. Yawn.
    These “lawyers” in support of Brady are clearly handpicked liberals who support unions.

    I wholly disrespect their opinions.

  135. limakey says: Jun 3, 2016 9:57 AM

    Icanthink, The Wells Report and the NFL said they did not have any direct evidence linking Brady’s involvement in this. However, with the burden of proof they were using, they did not need the ‘smoking gun’. They had the science, the texts, the lies and implauseable explainations of TB, JJ & JM. They had the unusal communication patterns. They had failure to cooperate from both Tom and the Patriots. But his destruction of his cell phone is really what tipped it over for Brady in the eyes of at least judges. What many don’t understand that regardless of what excuses, explaintions Brady gave for this action, does not mean it is the truth. He has no control over what investigators and judges think about his action. Clearly the NFL, at least two judges and a majority of the public believe he destroyed evidence that was harmful to him. It is call consciousnes of guilt.

    ……

    No “evidence” was destroyed. Brady offered it all back to them at the appeal and the NFL still scoffed. And then they leaked his emails to the press, thus confirming that he shouldn’t have given over anything to them in the first place due to privacy concerns. The NFL has no subpoena power for private property. The cell phone should have had no bearing on the case whatsoever. Brett Farve didn’t even give over his phone, and his case was much seedier.

  136. crush22 says:

    Seeing a lot of articles about people in support of Brady, but none about where he tried to pay-off the NFL to make this go away. Interesting.
    =============================

    it is interesting, because according to your side of the argument, 99% of the fans think that Brady cheated, therefore, you would think that a minimum there would be at least one writer from the Denver Post, or the Miami Herald that would have written an article about Brady paying off the NFL.

    But, what we really see here is another Hater who now is trying to smear Brady with zero proof.

    Basically, you have no shame. You sir I accuse as scurrilous.

    carry on

  137. r8dernation says:
    Jun 3, 2016 9:30 AM
    Tom cheated on the field of play. This has nothing to do with “law”.

    ————-

    Then the Colts must have “cheated” too. Or did the weather only impact their footballs?

    And do you really believe that simple removing 0.2PSI of air would make your favorite team any good? Really.

  138. FoozieGrooler says:

    Goodell: “I see you’re trying to go over my head again Tom.
    Let’s make it eight weeks…”

    —————————————————————-

    Brady/NFLPA is appealing the NFL’s successful appeal of a ruling that went against the NFL in a case that THE NFL FILED AGAINST TOM BRADY. How is Brady going over Goodell’s head?

  139. crush22 says:
    Jun 3, 2016 10:16 AM
    Seeing a lot of articles about people in support of Brady, but none about where he tried to pay-off the NFL to make this go away. Interesting.
    _______________

    Where is this? Or is this more of the diatribe I mentioned earlier?

  140. detsteve says:
    Jun 2, 2016 11:18 PM
    I’m surprised that you did have the time to read the briefs since that were just filed today.
    ———————–

    8 pages of double spaced 12 point Times New Roman. An investment of of perhaps all of a few minutes for someone with moderate comprehension skills in order to make an informed post. That you couldn’t make that investment before commenting speaks volumes.

  141. Yeah … every university within a 30 mile radius of Boston is going to get into it.

  142. luckyforus says:
    Jun 3, 2016 9:54 AM

    Because Brady needed the balls set at 12.5 so he could be sure the Deflator deflated them below 12.5.
    ___________________________________________________

    I think it’s fair to assume that, if Brady wanted his footballs to be under 12.5 psi, he had a specific target in mind. It’s not likely he would be happy with any old psi level as long as it was less than 12.5. So, it would make more sense to inflate the footballs to at least 13 psi and maybe even 13.5 psi when turning them over to the officials. Let me explain.

    Since some have suggested that the footballs may have been under inflated .2 psi. let’s say the goal was 12.3 psi. Since quarterbacks like it when their footballs have a consistent feel, you need to take just .2 psi out of all 12 footballs … no more and no less. How long does it take remove .2 psi?

    The New York Daily News ran an article just after the AFCCG where a writer performed an experiment to see if a person could remove 2 psi (the figure that was falsely leaked by the NFL) from 12 footballs in 90 seconds. What the writer discovered was that he could remove 2 psi in just 2.2 seconds. That means to go from 12.5 psi to 12.3 psi a person would have to insert a needle then remove it in less than a quarter of a second. That person would have to have amazing reflexes, and would have to do it not once, but 12 times.

    If I wanted the footballs at 12.3 psi, I would probably have them delivered to game officials at 13.2 psi. That way the person doing the deflating could insert the needle, use the old “One Mississippi” trick to measure out one second, then remove the needle. Inserting the needle for one second would drop the psi by .9 … from 13.2 psi to 12.3 psi. That way you could be reasonably confident that a person with normal reflexes could deliver psi levels that were both consistent and right on target.

  143. Face it anti-Patriot fans….the Patriots OWN you. They own your mind, your body, and your soul. Otherwise you wouldn’t be spending so much time here commenting on everything Patriots-related.

    Not sure if you realize it, but it is pretty entertaining to watch the extents to which you will go to attempt to discredit the Patriots, Brady, or anyone/anything that supports them.

  144. Appeals hearings are always about new evidence. Yes, it was Tom who was given the chance to state his case. He brought new evidence into the hearing. Tom Brady failed to cooperate, period. The destruction of his cell phone took out any chance Goodell could reduce his suspension. What new violations? Using the new evidence to uphold the original charge of failure to cooperate because of the destruction of his cell phone? Goodell did not up his suspension. He did not change his punishment. But I don’t think he could have any way. And Tom did bring in new evidence as in the AEI Report and their expert.

  145. “NE had the lead in both of those games…Their defense let them down, not Brady.”

    So Brady should have scored more points and not rely on his defense like the other Super Bowl wins.

  146. lscottman3 says:
    Jun 3, 2016 10:36 AM
    crush22 says:

    Seeing a lot of articles about people in support of Brady, but none about where he tried to pay-off the NFL to make this go away. Interesting.
    =============================

    it is interesting, because according to your side of the argument, 99% of the fans think that Brady cheated, therefore, you would think that a minimum there would be at least one writer from the Denver Post, or the Miami Herald that would have written an article about Brady paying off the NFL.

    But, what we really see here is another Hater who now is trying to smear Brady with zero proof.

    Basically, you have no shame. You sir I accuse as scurrilous.
    ——————
    Google is a useful tool. You should try it sometime.

    P.S. I see you used your thesaurus for this post. I gave you a ‘thumbs up’ for just knowing how to use one.

  147. Brady did not offer the evidence back. Read the Wells and the appeal. In the Wells report they only wanted texts/emails related to prep of the footballs. They didn’t ask for Tammy’s phone and even offered to have Tammy’s lawyer proved the info. In the appeal Tammy provided a log of all the people he texted and expected Wells to contact all these people asking them for their phones. If you were Tammy’s friend would you turn over your phone. So the evidence was destroyed.

    >

  148. amadorcountyca says:
    Jun 2, 2016 11:31 PM
    Some of the dumbest comments on the internet are posted here.

    I cannot tell if those folks are simply very, very jealous of the patriots repeated and probable future success, or just mental midgets. The visural [sic] insecurity is stunning
    ————————–

    Yes, there are always a disproportionate number of less than informed ‘dumb’ comments whenever articles are posted on this subject. That’s to be expected when anyone that has taken the time to research the subject can’t align anything factual to support their heart’s desire to see the subject of their jealous rage brought low. That, however, is giving most of them too much credit. Most of them either stopped trying or never bothered to look past the headlines and simply repeat the same baseless inanities. They NEED Brady to be a cheater and will grasp at any straw whether fabricated by the league or imagined by them. I would be remiss though if I failed to point out that in taking those ‘mental midgets’ to task it might have been better had you known the word is visceral not ‘visural’ lol.

  149. Brady came up small against the Giants twice in the SN. He only scored 14 and 17 points with great offensive weapons. You argue for years that Tammy didn’t have the weapons that Peyton had and when he does he plays poorly. It’s a team game and Tammy usually has the better team and better coaching.

    >

  150. mc2479 says:
    Jun 3, 2016 9:52 AM
    mc2479 says:
    Jun 3, 2016 7:10 AM
    If the laws of science 100% without a shadow of a doubt prove that the balls were not tampered with, please explain to me how people can still say things like “it seem like something happened.” The 100% proves that nothing happened. That is a fact of science that can not be disputed, unless you don’t believe in the basic laws of Physics. Please anyone, someone, explain this to me. It truly is amazing how blissfully ignorant people are.
    _________________________________________

    How about instead of down voting you actually explain what part of my statement you disagree with.
    _________________________________________

    Gotta love the Trolls. They all clam up and ignore you when they are confronted with and asked to defend their stance with facts and reality. Go back to your rocks, crawl under them, and wake up next spring to celebrate that great superstar your teams front office overpays for and sit around hoping that your awful team will find the franchise saving player in the draft. Ultimately you will suck once again and the Patriots organization will sign that years Revis, or Bennett, or Moss, or Welker, or Lewis and draft that drafts, Mankins, or Mayo, or Collins, or Hightower, or Edleman, or Butler and then when they need cap space to sign and resign players they will get star players to restructure and extend contract to well below market value like Brady, or Amendola and just keep winning. So all you haters can complain about the Pats cheating and all that crap. But, in the end you all know, deep down inside, the real reason that the Pats beat your favorite teams on a regular basis is because the franchise is just better than others from top to bottom.

  151. demolition510 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:13 PM

    Has the deflator gained his weight back?
    ——————————————————–
    The Colts balls were also measured as underinflated at the same time the Patriots were tested. Fact. Has Luck been suspended for four games? The Colts fined a million dollars? Lost a first and a fourth round pick? No. Next question troll.

  152. dryzzt23 says:
    Jun 3, 2016 10:35 AM

    Yawn.
    These “lawyers” in support of Brady are clearly handpicked liberals who support unions.

    I wholly disrespect their opinions.

    —————-

    It’s not their opinion you are disrespecting, it is their expert view. Don’t forget the chief appellate judge for the second circuit also believed that Goodell overstepped his bounds in providing a 4 game suspension. These guys aren’t fools. You don’t have to agree with their opinion, but you should respect it and consider it instead of just yelling “liberal” from your soap box.

  153. What Massachusetts universities did these professors come from?
    Like Pats Nation on this message board it’s so important to Kraft to make sure Brady comes out looking like an angel. Just like he did when Goddell destroyed evidence in Spygate and Ernie Adams and gang were relaying intel to his helmet pre-snap.
    The boos Tommy Boy got as SB MVPs were being “celebrated” in Santa Clara last February is the pulse of NFL fans.
    You guys aren’t gonna change anyone’s minds.
    TeeHee😊

  154. dryzzt23 says:
    Jun 3, 2016 10:35 AM

    Yawn.
    These “lawyers” in support of Brady are clearly handpicked liberals who support unions.

    I wholly disrespect their opinions.
    ——————————————————
    Those damn unions! If it wasn’t for them we could still be working 80 hour weeks along side our ten year old kid. Earning all of 10 cents an hour with zero benefits. Yep, I too yearn for the good old days. DOPE!

  155. But Lester Munson still agrees with Goodell, via his script from ESPN, so at least Goodell has that going for him. One ESPN shill has to be worth about a dozen actual legal experts.

  156. luckyforus says:
    Jun 3, 2016 11:19 AM

    Brady came up small against the Giants twice in the SN. He only scored 14 and 17 points with great offensive weapons. You argue for years that Tammy didn’t have the weapons that Peyton had and when he does he plays poorly. It’s a team game and Tammy usually has the better team and better coaching.

    —————

    When you lose you generally score less points than the other team. That’s kind of the point. In the NFL you can’t win ’em all. Even the great Joe Montana only made it to 4 Super Bowls in his career and lost 3 Championship games.

    Brady has been to 10 AFC championship games and 6 Super Bowls and won 4. Not sure what else he is supposed to do.

    The comparison with Peyton is silly. Peyton is an all time great. He had one of the best offenses of all time and got completely blown out in the Super Bowl and then won it with basically no offense. The game is just like that. The guy is great.

  157. quickbooks12 says:
    Jun 3, 2016 10:46 AM
    crush22 says:
    Jun 3, 2016 10:16 AM
    Seeing a lot of articles about people in support of Brady, but none about where he tried to pay-off the NFL to make this go away. Interesting.
    _______________

    Where is this? Or is this more of the diatribe I mentioned earlier?
    ——————————
    Google: Tom Brady made generous offer
    I think you’ll be quite surprised.

  158. ” It’s hard not to wonder whether those briefs would have been more useful to the process if they’d been submitted before the original three-judge panel resolved the case in the league’s favor through a 2-1 vote.”

    ——————————————————————————————

    They didn’t do it beforehand because they really didn’t think the appeals court would actually overturn the decision.

  159. crush22 says: Jun 3, 2016 11:46 AM

    quickbooks12 says:
    Jun 3, 2016 10:46 AM
    crush22 says:
    Jun 3, 2016 10:16 AM
    Seeing a lot of articles about people in support of Brady, but none about where he tried to pay-off the NFL to make this go away. Interesting.
    _______________

    Where is this? Or is this more of the diatribe I mentioned earlier?
    ——————————
    Google: Tom Brady made generous offer
    I think you’ll be quite surprised.
    ………..

    That isn’t a “pay-off” that is a settlement offer. A “payoff” is what Greg Hardy did, a massive difference. League also offered to lower it to 2 games, does that mean they thought Brady was less guilty all of a sudden? Berman demanded they keep meeting to settle and that is about as far as both sides were willing to go. Brady wanted to play, the NFL wanted an admission and a couple games, and now here we sit.

  160. dumbaseinstien says:
    Jun 2, 2016 11:00 PM
    Only 12?

    So in a nation filled with political & economic relationships & Billions in fortune…the most Kraft, Brady & the NFLPA can derive is 12 lawyers, whose opinions are bought & sold (that is what they do for living), to argue on Brady’s side? More likely is there is more coming, bought & paid for opinions. Pretty sad how low & weak minded our society has fallen.
    ======================
    To be fair we can assume by extension the NFL must have paid off the 2 2nd court judges as well.

  161. jaxon51 says:
    Jun 3, 2016 11:31 AM
    What Massachusetts universities did these professors come from?
    ___________________

    The only 2 Massachusetts Universities represented are Harvard and Smith. Additionally Cornell (NY), Indiana, Seattle, Texas, West Virginia, St. Louis, Cal Berkeley and UCLA are represented. Given that the substance of your statement speaks to their credibility it pays to actually look at what you are commenting about to exhibit some yourself rather than reinforcing what you sought to undermine.

  162. justhatebaby says:
    Jun 3, 2016 1:51 AM
    I don’t believe that fans are jealous in any way but I do believe that most people not on the New England Kool Aid are just tired of the Patriots cheating ways and the venom spewed by their fans. The only people proud of stolen success are those that have never competed fairly in the first place. Looking forward to the deafening roar of indignation from those blind loyalists that consider themselves superior from others “success”. Try being a fan of the game as well as a fan of a team and you might understand why cheating is frowned upon.
    ==================
    As a fan of the game, maybe it’s about proving a team cheats vs claiming a team cheats. Maybe it’s about a consistent discipline policy that has a standard of proof that involves something other than a magnifying glass and a decoder ring. Maybe it’s about transparency. Maybe it’s about fans refusing to make excuses for a commissioner that is ruining the game they love.

  163. Vedder, Brady, like every other player signs a contract with the NFL that they will fully cooperate with any investigation, which includes turning over any requested information or communications. As a member of the union, because the NFL has no subpoena power, he is under no obligation to do so. Which what his agent said in an interview. His agent also said had Brady turned over the requested material, the NFL would have viewed with basically critical eyes. However, when Brady refused to turn over the information, he did not say why he refused. He did not say he was a member of the union. In fact he insisted that no union rep be in the interview. Brady never turned over the material that was requested. The logs and names he turned over were useless and he knew it. He knew if the NFL had no subpoena power over him, they did not have it over any other player or private citizen. He attempted to send the NFL on a wild goose chase and I am glad the NFL put him in his place. You can not compare Brett Farve to Brady on this issue. A picture of little Brett does not have any bearing on the outcome of games or effect the stats of that game.

  164. gtisme says:
    Jun 3, 2016 7:26 AM
    Labor Lawyers and AFL-CIO(Union) lawyer siding with Labor? What a shock!!! I love the “Lawyers don’t put a theory out just because….” Sure they do ! Everyone has their politics…and Labor leaning lawyers are going to side with the laborer no matter how rich he(Brady) is. Give me a break Florio.
    =================
    But that’s the point. Labor law doesn’t just exist for the employer. It exists for the employees as well. Which is why the 2nd court needs to take another look at this farce.

  165. I’m not a NE fan nor am Ina hater of NE. Brady most certainly has not won every game. But Tom Brady is among the best that ever played the game. Belichek is among the best that ever coached the game. Anyone that denies that is not to Bright.

    In regard to the case ? None of us knows what happened if anything even happened. I do know one thing though , Ted Wells in every report he has done as an ” independent investigator ” for the NFL showed complete disregard for anyone other then who was paying him. If anything should be ignored it should be anything written by Ted Wells.

    You want to talk about Bullies? Ted Wells has shown proof he loves pushing people around and if anyone doubts his reports he goes off like a bad little kid. NFLPA should sue if he is ever used again for anything. The man has proven the real slime ball in every investigation is himself, Ted Wells. He holds himself as judge ,’jury and in no so many words,’executioner. Because he knows all too well what his paid for report will result in

    If not for anything,’the 2nd circuit en band should take this appeal up just to prove that Wells and his reports are 1 completely bias 2 completely full of his own thoughts and ideas,’regardless of what he ignored and never out in reports 3 and last, the real bully in the room is no other the. Ted Wells.
    I don’t think whatever happens will tarnish Nradys legacy other then Until eternity,’whenever Brady’s name is mentioned it will have deflate gate and red wells report attached to it. That’s degrading Brady. Again. Just my opinion.

  166. igornathanhiggers says:
    Jun 3, 2016 8:20 AM
    Of course all this could’ve been avoided if Brady hadn’t destroyed his phone….

    Colonel Childers was found not guilty of killing unarmed civilians in Yemen, because a video tape proving the civilians were armed was destroyed by the National Security Advisor which he was later prosecuted for…. His lawyer argued if the tape had shown unarmed civilians, We’d be looking at the tape…

    If Brady phone had proven his innocence, we’d have seen it and all this could’ve been avoided!…
    ===============================
    LOL. No. How do we know this? Brady provided the logs from the phone in question. The NFL had the exact information they were looking for to determine what was on the phone. They ignored it. Full stop.

  167. crush22 says:
    Jun 3, 2016 11:46 AM
    quickbooks12 says:
    Jun 3, 2016 10:46 AM
    crush22 says:
    Jun 3, 2016 10:16 AM
    Seeing a lot of articles about people in support of Brady, but none about where he tried to pay-off the NFL to make this go away. Interesting.
    _______________

    Where is this? Or is this more of the diatribe I mentioned earlier?
    ——————————
    Google: Tom Brady made generous offer
    I think you’ll be quite surprised.
    ————————-
    This what happens when you’re a slow and or incompetent reader, you can never make it past the headlines.
    Brady’s offer was to take 1 game for not fully cooperating with the investigation.

  168. imodan says:
    Jun 3, 2016 11:37 AM
    Those damn unions! If it wasn’t for them we could still be working 80 hour weeks along side our ten year old kid. Earning all of 10 cents an hour with zero benefits. Yep, I too yearn for the good old days. DOPE!
    +++++++++++++++++

    I have been saying this from the very beginning of this NFL FRAME Job. It was never about 0.7 psi of air pressure and was always about Greedy Powerful people who want to CONTROL the General Public and be above the Law.

    If Goodel wins = Everyone loses.

    Brady Wins = The US Constitution WINS for EVERYONE

  169. limakey says:
    Jun 3, 2016 9:57 AM
    Icanthink, The Wells Report and the NFL said they did not have any direct evidence linking Brady’s involvement in this. However, with the burden of proof they were using, they did not need the ‘smoking gun’. They had the science, the texts, the lies and implauseable explainations of TB, JJ & JM. They had the unusal communication patterns. They had failure to cooperate from both Tom and the Patriots. But his destruction of his cell phone is really what tipped it over for Brady in the eyes of at least judges. What many don’t understand that regardless of what excuses, explaintions Brady gave for this action, does not mean it is the truth. He has no control over what investigators and judges think about his action. Clearly the NFL, at least two judges and a majority of the public believe he destroyed evidence that was harmful to him. It is call consciousnes of guilt.
    =======================
    Yet he provided the logs of every call\text from that phone. Maybe he was just trying to clear his guilty conscience? I mean for somebody who was trying to hide that information it sure doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to give it to the NFL. Not that they actually did anything with it? Maybe he paid the cell provider to remove all the incriminating data?????

  170. limakey says:
    Jun 3, 2016 9:13 AM
    Mr. Kraft must have paid a fortune for his public relation campaign. I must say, it is a brilliant one! These filings have all been planned in detail and timing. Kraft is trying to pressure a rehearing through the media and New England public out cry. I am sure the idea has come from a few high profile cases where the public demanded trial even the DA’s already knew there should not be a trial. I am hoping it does not work. It is Brady’s last shot of delaying his suspension for the up coming year.
    ≠==================================
    Only issue limakey, is that if you are right, Kraft is paying for this out of his own pocket. Your boss/brother/you (not certain who you actually are) on the other hand, is using other people’s money to advance the Goodell perspective.
    I am a little surprised to see the crack in your perspective – “I am hoping it doesn’t work” – I think that is the first time I have seen you so uncertain. But never-the-less you might still be wrong. If the 2nd circuit won’t grant a full court appeal, the NFLPA is going to the US SC.

  171. joker65 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:27 PM

    Queue the haters saying they that:
    1. The professors are all Pats fans
    2. The professors should just shut up
    3. The professors were paid off
    4. The professors are all friends of Kraft/Brady/BB
    5. The professors don’t know what they are talking about
    6. The professors were all born near Boston

    There. That should just about cover it.
    ==================================
    yes, from Bizaro World…another post!
    NONE of the statements are near truth….keep believing it all!! We all need a laugh here and there!!.

  172. veddermn8 says:
    Jun 3, 2016 12:01 PM
    That isn’t a “pay-off” that is a settlement offer.
    ———-
    Awwww……..Patsie* speak is so cute!

  173. LOL. No. How do we know this? Brady provided the logs from the phone in question. The NFL had the exact information they were looking for to determine what was on the phone. They ignored it. Full stop.

    No the NFL only had a log of persons Brady texted. This is useless info and Brady knows it. It would be a wild goose chase contacting all these people and asking for their phones. If Brady texted you as your friend would you turn over your phone if it had evidence of deflating footballs on it. The answer is NO.

    >

  174. Yet he provided the logs of every call\text from that phone. Maybe he was just trying to clear his guilty conscience? I mean for somebody who was trying to hide that information it sure doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to give it to the NFL. Not that they actually did anything with it? Maybe he paid the cell provider to remove all the incriminating data?????

    The logs of every call/text is useless info. If Brady texted you about deflating footballs would you turn over your phone. NO

    Brady didn’t fully cooperate and destroyed evidence. Innocent people don’t do that.

    >

  175. manzoa says:
    Jun 3, 2016 9:24 AM
    What a “miracle”. Eleven lawyers with nothing better to do than file a brief in the Brady appeal. To believe this was done “out of great respect for the law” you must suspend disbelief completely. Wonder who paid them and how much?
    ********************************
    People submitting amicus curiae briefs do so solely for their own benefit because they believe in their opinion and those opinions are unsolicited. They don’t get submitted by people paid to do so . This is in the VERY DEFINITION of the term, which is why you look rather silly suggesting they were paid off to write their opinions.

  176. limakey said: The logs and names he (Brady) turned over were useless and he knew it.
    —–

    On the contrary, the complete log of phone calls and text messages was exactly what Wells had wanted and they answered the very specific question that the NFL was asking, namely:

    “We have Jastremski’s phone, we have McNally’s phone, we have Belichick’s phone, we have the phones of other Patriots coaches and non-playing personnel. Is there something important that is missing on any of these phones, because someone was able to delete something related to a discussion with Brady and it was beyond our ability to recover it?”

    The crystal clear answer was “NO!” They knew that no relevant communications with anyone whom the NFL thought might even POSSIBLY be involved with wrongdoing were missing.

    They also had names of other people Brady communicated with, so if they wanted to expand their investigation to any other people and try to find out the nature of the contact was with Brady, they could have. THE NFL WAS TOO LAZY TO DO THAT.

    And why would the NFL bother? By that time they knew Brady didn’t really do anything. they knew that they were involved in an exercise of “saving face”. That had become embarrassed about being scientifically ignorant, but had gone too far to stop, so they had doubled down on denying everything and hoping to get away with it “because we are Gods and can do what we want”

  177. nflfan4now says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:45 PM
    It really doesn’t matter how this turns out, he will forever be known as a cheater in 99%of the peoples minds!
    ===================

    There are Giants, Eagles, Redskins, Cowboys, Lions, Chiefs, Broncos and Steelers fans posting on just this thread alone that give lie to that statement. Can only imagine what that 99% number will look like when Roger gets undressed in court…again

  178. limakey says:
    Jun 3, 2016 10:55 AM
    Appeals hearings are always about new evidence.

    ————————————————–

    Once again, you expose your fundamental ignorance of the appeals process.

    Quoting the American Bar Association:

    “An appeal is not a retrial or a new trial of the case. The appeals courts do not usually consider new witnesses or new evidence. Appeals in either civil or criminal cases are usually based on arguments that there were errors in the trial’s procedure or errors in the judge’s interpretation of the law.”

  179. luckyforus says:
    Jun 3, 2016 11:11 AM
    … In the appeal Tammy provided a log of all the people he texted and expected Wells to contact all these people asking them for their phones. …

    ——————————————————————–

    Brady’s team identified 23 specific individuals from the logs who were NFL-related.
    Goodell only needed to contact 23 individuals, many of whom used league issued phones.
    If he was really interested in the truth, 23 individuals is not a big number. A couple of interns could have gathered the information in less than a week, at most.

  180. $1.75 million in fines and a few draft picks with the trade off for Pats Nation being years of arguing with trolls on Internet message has got to be worth it.
    Was anyone a fly on the wall when Kraft talked to Jasremski or Brady or anyone before he agreed to the fine?
    Goodell and Kraft are knuckleheads 1 and 1a in this whole fiasco.

  181. It’s hilarious the lengths the fans of that team up North will go to to deny anything and everything. Just calling everyone a jealous hater makes them feel as if they win. It’s quite amusing.

  182. Crush

    Google: Tom Brady made generous offer
    I think you’ll be quite surprised.
    ========================

    you are correct, I was totally surprised. I expected the possibility you were actually on to something. I would Google and kapow, the result would be an article about Brady making an extraordinary offer covertly to the NFL to make the deflategate saga go away.

    I could not believe it. The Google result was an article about a settlement offer the Brady team made during settlement discussions prompted by Judge Berman.

    Here i thought the Crush was simply a scurrilous individual prone to throwing out lies to besmirch an honest individual.

    I was totally wrong

    Carry on

  183. williamshatnerstoupee says: Jun 3, 2016 1:28 PM

    It’s hilarious the lengths the fans of that team up North will go to to deny anything and everything. Just calling everyone a jealous hater makes them feel as if they win. It’s quite amusing.
    …….

    Yea, Jets fans are hilarious.

  184. crush22 says: Jun 3, 2016 12:31 PM

    veddermn8 says:
    Jun 3, 2016 12:01 PM
    That isn’t a “pay-off” that is a settlement offer.
    ———-
    Awwww……..Patsie* speak is so cute!

    …….

    So, using your logic, the NFL also offered to “pay-off” Brady by lopping off 2 games (and 2 game checks) to make this go away.

  185. detsteve says:
    Jun 2, 2016 11:18 PM
    “If you took the time to read the amicus briefs you’d see that they are “really completely familiar” with the case. You see, in order to make a compelling argument one would need to have studied the case to provide counter points. All the briefs select particular instances where they feel the NFL overstepped the law.”
    ————————————————————–
    I’m surprised that you did have the time to read the briefs since that were just filed today.
    ______________________________________

    The one reported on in this article was 8 pages. Not a lengthy ready. The others were filed prior to today. Try to keep up.

  186. Of course it is a goddamn scam. Goodell got in too deep. He got bullied by other owners (either that or one of them has something on him). Jerry Jones cannot have his one time protégé (Kraft) have a franchise which Jones always aspired but keeps screwing up by his own hand.

    The Indy’s (a joke) of the world and Ravens have a tough time with NE and if you cannot beat them on the field………..

  187. akira1971 says:
    Jun 3, 2016 3:25 PM

    Why is the actor John Houseman’s photo still attached to this article?
    ————————–

    He played a law professor in “The Paper Chase”

  188. The final truth.

    The NFL framed the evidence against the Patriots.

    However, the Patriots cheat, and do it better than any other team thereby using their talent and hard work, along with a propensity to push the rulebook, to this level of success.

  189. Let’s remember – Goodell is the person the Owners assert has “unquestioned integrity”

    How’s that for making a mockery of the NFL

    These owners couldn’t be more stupid

  190. mongo3401 says:
    Jun 2, 2016 5:02 PM

    Equipment violations, including Stickum, usually involve one person violating the rule. In the case of a deflated football? It involves 7 people on offense. All RBs all receivers. the center and the QB
    Using the stickun violation as an equipment violation as a bench mark does not apply. JMO

    —————–

    Joe Montana throws a ball to Jerry Rice, who has stickum on his hands. Said stickum gets transferred to the ball. On the next play, the center, presumably Randy Cross, grips the stickum laced ball and now has a better grip for the snap to Montana. He snaps it to Montana who now gets a better grip. Montana throws it to John Taylor who can now get a better grip. Or Montana can throw it to Brent Jones who will have a better grip. Or maybe he turns and hands it off to Roger Craig or Ricky Watters, who can get a better grip.

    Don’t tell me Stickum benefits one player.

  191. luckyforus says:
    Jun 3, 2016 12:40 PM
    The logs of every call/text is useless info. If Brady texted you about deflating footballs would you turn over your phone. NO

    Brady didn’t fully cooperate and destroyed evidence. Innocent people don’t do that.
    ===========================
    It amazes me how utterly obtuse people can be at times. smh

    Brady destroyed the phone but when he turned over the logs from that phone the information is useless. Seriously ?!?!?! So using that logic, we remove the logs that clearly spell out all incoming and outgoing calls\texts (since they’re, you know, useless) and somehow believe there’s is anything left on the phone that is vital? Maybe there’s a picture of Brady pointing to JJ with a sign that says deflate all of these? Come on people. It is IMPOSSIBLE to claim there were text\calls still on the phone that were not in the logs. Literally impossible. To suggest otherwise only proves you don’t understand the technology.

    Do guilty people turn over logs that spell out every second of communication on a phone that supposedly contains incriminating information? Of course not. If Brady texted\called anybody from the phone he “destroyed” would the logs show it? Absolutely.

  192. limakey says:
    Jun 3, 2016 12:12 PM
    Vedder, Brady, like every other player signs a contract with the NFL that they will fully cooperate with any investigation, which includes turning over any requested information or communications. As a member of the union, because the NFL has no subpoena power, he is under no obligation to do so. Which what his agent said in an interview. His agent also said had Brady turned over the requested material, the NFL would have viewed with basically critical eyes. However, when Brady refused to turn over the information, he did not say why he refused. He did not say he was a member of the union. In fact he insisted that no union rep be in the interview. Brady never turned over the material that was requested. The logs and names he turned over were useless and he knew it. He knew if the NFL had no subpoena power over him, they did not have it over any other player or private citizen. He attempted to send the NFL on a wild goose chase and I am glad the NFL put him in his place. You can not compare Brett Farve to Brady on this issue. A picture of little Brett does not have any bearing on the outcome of games or effect the stats of that game.
    ==============================
    Seems pretty clear to me why Brady never provided his phone …

    “I also disagree with yesterdays narrative surrounding my cellphone. I replaced my broken Samsung phone with a new iPhone 6 AFTER my attorneys made it clear to the NFL that my actual phone device would not be subjected to investigation under ANY circumstances. As a member of a union, I was under no obligation to set a new precedent going forward, nor was I made aware at any time during Mr. Wells investigation, that failing to subject my cell phone to investigation would result in ANY discipline.”

    You keep contending the logs were useless but have yet to answer what’s left on the phone that would be so vital. Without the logs you can’t derive the calls\texts so what’s left? And you’re right about Favre. In that case the NFL have voice mails provided by Sterger that actually proved Favre had sexually harassed her. YEt the only punishment Favre got was $50,000 … for not cooperating.

  193. The logs only show who the incoming calls/texts/emails were to/from.

    So Wells starts calling these people and asking them for the content of the texts, etc. these people aren’t going to turn over incriminating info just like Brady wasn’t.

    >

  194. luckyforus says:
    Jun 6, 2016 9:51 AM
    The logs only show who the incoming calls/texts/emails were to/from.

    So Wells starts calling these people and asking them for the content of the texts, etc. these people aren’t going to turn over incriminating info just like Brady wasn’t.
    ———————————–

    These people would have to turn over “incriminating info” if they were employed by the team and using team-provided phones. Wells already had the phones of Jastremski, McNally and Belichick. Who else would have any more relevant inf0? If it’s a player, then too bad because they have the same protections as Brady under the CBA. If it’s Brady’s gardener, too bad because that guy would be under no obligation to do anything. The NFL has no authority to start calling private citizens on a wild goose chase.

  195. No. The. logs. do. not. The logs show both incoming and outgoing.

    The issue is if the phone contains information that Brady was trying to hide. The simple truth is you need to start somewhere. Identifying who Brady called or who called him during the time in question is literally the FIRST place to start. The second step of trying to get more information is largely irrelevant since Goodell decided not to go past step 1. All Goodell had to do was do an initial pass to see if there was anything incriminating. That in and of itself would have determined if Brady was being truthful and was hiding anything. Instead you and others are just assuming that was the case when there is absolutely no basis to think that. For every “he destroyed the phone” response there will always be the “Goodell did nothing with the information from that phone” counterpoint. If Brady was in fact lying there was a sure fire way of determining that was the case. It’s fine to assume Brady wasn’t being truthful but the logs don’t lie and Goodell had the means and the ability to ferret out the truth and unilaterally decided not to. It’s easy to call out Patriots fans for making excuses and defending Brady. More so than calling out a commissioner who is obviously intentionally lying to NFL fans under the disguise of “integrity”.

  196. The logs were a wild goose chase. Wells wanted the texts/emails relevant to the ball prep. If the log shoes Brady texted John Smith and John Smith is contacted why would JOHN Smith probably a friend of Brady’s turn over incriminating evidence.

    Brady was just playing a game. He should of turned over the detail of the texts and cooperated. They didn’t want the phone. Wells understood there would be private sensitive info unrelated to the deflation. When Brady destroyed the phone he destroyed the only reasonable method of reviewing texts/emails.

    >

  197. luckyforus says:
    Jun 6, 2016 12:50 PM
    The logs were a wild goose chase. Wells wanted the texts/emails relevant to the ball prep. If the log shoes Brady texted John Smith and John Smith is contacted why would JOHN Smith probably a friend of Brady’s turn over incriminating evidence.

    Brady was just playing a game. He should of turned over the detail of the texts and cooperated. They didn’t want the phone. Wells understood there would be private sensitive info unrelated to the deflation. When Brady destroyed the phone he destroyed the only reasonable method of reviewing texts/emails.

    And you’re 100% wrong. The texts were on both JM & JJ’s phones plus they could get them from his carrier. The “destroyed” phone is, was and will always be a red herring.

    Thanks for playing.

  198. luckyforus says:
    Jun 6, 2016 12:50 PM
    The logs were a wild goose chase. Wells wanted the texts/emails relevant to the ball prep. If the log shoes Brady texted John Smith and John Smith is contacted why would JOHN Smith probably a friend of Brady’s turn over incriminating evidence.

    Brady was just playing a game. He should of turned over the detail of the texts and cooperated. They didn’t want the phone. Wells understood there would be private sensitive info unrelated to the deflation. When Brady destroyed the phone he destroyed the only reasonable method of reviewing texts/emails.
    ===============
    Claiming it’s a wild goose chase only demonstrates utter lack of understanding. Both of the situation and the technology. I’d like to think it’s not intentional but the more you insist the logs are irrelevant the more I’m less inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt. The logs are used to determine if more evidence needs to be collected. Full stop. If Brady provided the phone initially the very first information to be collected would have been the logs. It is exactly what Renaissance Associates would have done initially. To suggest it was the only reasonable method of reviewing the information is wholly inaccurate since it’s the very same activity Renaissance Associates would have taken on initially.

  199. Mo Pro Babble

    They wanted the texts/emails if they existed related to ball prep/deflation on anyone else’s phone Brady might have texted. You are correct they had the texts on JJ’s and the Deflators phone. I don’t think getting them from the carrier was an option. So when Brady destroyed his phone he destroyed the evidence.

    So why didn’t Brady provide them the texts/emails? They didn’t ask for the entire phone. Why didn’t the Pats give Wells a 2nd interview with the Deflator?

    >

  200. luckyforus says:
    Jun 6, 2016 12:50 PM
    The logs were a wild goose chase. Wells wanted the texts/emails relevant to the ball prep. If the log shoes Brady texted John Smith and John Smith is contacted why would JOHN Smith probably a friend of Brady’s turn over incriminating evidence.

    Brady was just playing a game. He should of turned over the detail of the texts and cooperated. They didn’t want the phone. Wells understood there would be private sensitive info unrelated to the deflation. When Brady destroyed the phone he destroyed the only reasonable method of reviewing texts/emails.
    ————————————-

    The hypothetical “John Smith” wouldn’t turn over anything, and he would have no legal obligation to do so.

    The relevant parties concerning “ball prep” are Jastremski and McNally. Wells already had those texts, content and everything. What else of relevance would possibly be on Brady’s phone? Texts to personal friends don’t count, even if they exist, because a text to a friend who is in no position to deal with the game balls is not relevant. Bottom line, the NFL has no authority to contact anyone not affiliated with the NFL. You may not like it, but that’s the reality.

    And you are forgetting that Brady did turn over emails, including content. That’s how we know more than we should about his choice of pool covers. He turned those emails over to the league and big surprise, they got leaked.

  201. luckyforus says:
    Jun 6, 2016 2:45 PM

    So why didn’t Brady provide them the texts/emails? They didn’t ask for the entire phone. Why didn’t the Pats give Wells a 2nd interview with the Deflator?
    =====================
    More importantly why doesn’t Brady get credit for trying to provide the very information he withheld initially. Instead we get “that information is useless” despite it being anything but. smh

  202. luckyforus

    do you know that there’s a section of the Wells/Pash Report titled: Communications about Inflation and Deflation. It contains 35 text messages total, all dated between Sept. 30th 2014 and Oct. 25th 2014. Brady turned over the phone he had used until Nov. 6th 2014, which would have coincided with the time frame of those 35 text messages.

    That would have included the time frame of the Jets game where the footballs were inflated to 16psi. Surely if Brady was ticked off about those overinflated balls and wanted them below 12.5psi, common sense dictates THAT would have been the time he would have texted it.

    So….what did Wells/Pash find on that phone? Certainly if there was something incriminating it would have been used as part of the upholding of the suspension.

    So….what did they find on it?

  203. luckyforus says:
    Jun 6, 2016 2:45 PM
    Mo Pro Babble

    They wanted the texts/emails if they existed related to ball prep/deflation on anyone else’s phone Brady might have texted. You are correct they had the texts on JJ’s and the Deflators phone. I don’t think getting them from the carrier was an option. So when Brady destroyed his phone he destroyed the evidence.

    So why didn’t Brady provide them the texts/emails? They didn’t ask for the entire phone. Why didn’t the Pats give Wells a 2nd interview with the Deflator?
    ——————————–

    Brady told the league that he would work with his carrier to provide content of any texts that the league wanted to see. The league declined that offer. In fact they didn’t even look at the logs.

    2nd interview? McNally was interviewed *four* times. The Patriots declined to make him available for a 5th in-person interview because he had to take time off from his day job and drive to the team facility to do it. They said he would be available by phone and the league declined to call him.

    You are missing a very important point: texts to people outside of the Patriots organization do not matter. Even texts to other players do not matter because those players have the same protections as Brady. Texts to equipment guys and coaches might matter, and the league already had those. There was nothing else to see. Even if there were a “smoking gun” in a text from Brady to an old college buddy, the league has no right to it. That’s it. Bottom line. It’s inadmissible.

  204. Brady never provided the information requested and then he destroyed his phone.

    Why did he lie about knowing the deflator and his game day prep? Why did the Patriots deny Wells a 2nd interview.

    >

  205. No Brady only provided a worthless log of incoming/outgoing emails. McNally was only interview by Wells once. Wells offered to meet him any place anytime so he wouldn’t be inconvenienced. It’s all in the Wells report. This isn’t a court of law, Wells was just trying to find the truth and Brady and the Patriots weren’t being 100% cooperative like they said the would.

    >

  206. Then why didn’t Brady turn over the phone after Nov. Brady also turned over his phone after deflategate. His excuse was I always destroy phones and I don’t want to set a precedent. Seems he contradicted himself.

    >

  207. luckyforus

    Why did he lie about knowing the deflator?

    First of all, ‘the deflator’ was not his nickname as many think it was. Even though McNally referred to himself as the deflator once, in a May 14th text message, Wells mentions that same text message 16 times in his report in order to create the sense that Deflator was McNally’s nickname. It was not.

    Second, McNally was known by the nickname Bird. In fact, if you read the Wells report, Wells even states that the text messages from Jastremski to someone named ‘Bird’ were assumed to be to McNally….Jastremki had McNally listed in his phone contacts under the name Bird. So it is pretty clear he was known as Bird, not the deflator.

    Third, Wells asked Brady if he knew McNally, Brady said no. But that was because Brady also knew him by the name Bird.

    It is not that difficult to understand. Wells/Pash tried their best to leave out pertinent information that and spread information out within the report in order to make it difficult to connect the dots. But if you read it several times, each time start to finish, while you’re reading it you start thinking “wait a minute….I read something related to this somewhere else” and you can connect many of the dots.

    For those that chose not to read it thoroughly and with an open mind, those people are Wells and Pash’s intended audience.

  208. jaxon51 says:
    Jun 3, 2016 11:31 AM
    What Massachusetts universities did these professors come from?
    Like Pats Nation on this message board it’s so important to Kraft to make sure Brady comes out looking like an angel. Just like he did when Goddell destroyed evidence in Spygate and Ernie Adams and gang were relaying intel to his helmet pre-snap.

    We’ve now moved from framing to flat out lies.

    What was on those tapes that was soooo important? Well, since the Pats weren’t taping themselves, it must be true that they inadvertently taped something illegal by the other team. Now, we can’t punish The Roger’s pet team now can we?

    The Ernie Adams bit is just plain laughable and stinks of desperation.

  209. luckyforus says:
    Jun 6, 2016 3:30 PM
    No Brady only provided a worthless log of incoming/outgoing emails. McNally was only interview by Wells once. Wells offered to meet him any place anytime so he wouldn’t be inconvenienced. It’s all in the Wells report. This isn’t a court of law, Wells was just trying to find the truth and Brady and the Patriots weren’t being 100% cooperative like they said the would.

    ———————————–

    You are 100% wrong about the emails. How else would we know about his pool covers and his thoughts on Peyton Manning, if the content had not been turned over and then leaked?

    McNally was interviewed once by Wells and three times by league officials. That should be more than enough.

    You’re right this isn’t a court of law. That’s why the league has no right to personal property, including cell phones. That’s why the league has no right to contact anyone not affiliated with the Patriots or the league.

  210. Yes, I know his nickname was also Bird and his real name McNally. He was a 20 year employee and Brady once threw a football with him on the sidelines. How could Brady deny knowing him or his game day prep. If Brady didn’t know his real name then shame on Brady.

    >

  211. luckyforus says:
    Jun 6, 2016 3:34 PM

    Then why didn’t Brady turn over the phone after Nov. Brady also turned over his phone after deflategate. His excuse was I always destroy phones and I don’t want to set a precedent. Seems he contradicted himself.

    ——–

    I don’t recall Brady ever saying he destroys his old phones (though from my own experience with identity theft, that would be a good idea). The term used was that he would ‘cycle’ them (maybe meaning recycle….though I don’t know). “Destroyed’ is a word that Goodell put into Brady’s mouth. Brady has said the phone was broken (it was reported about a year ago that it got broken on a vacation – I think it was South America) and that he replaced it ONLY AFTER his lawyer told the NFL he wasn’t providing it.

    Goodell, in upholding Brady’s suspension upon appeal, said Brady destroyed it. It doesn’t make any sense that Brady would tell Roger he destroyed it….it would be easier to just say “I’m not turning it over” (even if he had destroyed it) and “the texts had already been deleted, so the best I could do is get call logs”.

    It is much more sensible that the phone got broken and Goodell deemed Brady to have ‘destroyed’ it. But none of us know for sure what happened to it. I’d like to know why the ‘destroyed’ phone story was leaked to Stephen A. Smith several hours before Goodell’s announcement though.

    By the way, if you have a quote that Brady said he destroys his phones, I’d like to see that.

  212. No Wells needed a follow up interview with McNally. It was a reasonable request and Wells said he would meet with him anytime and anyplace. The scumbag cheaters said no so they didn’t cooperate 100% like they said. I bet one of the questions they wanted to ask is about nickname Deflator and I bet fat boy wouldn’t have referenced a ludicrous response of weight loss. Case closed

    >

  213. luckyforus says:
    Jun 6, 2016 4:03 PM
    Yes, I know his nickname was also Bird and his real name McNally. He was a 20 year employee and Brady once threw a football with him on the sidelines. How could Brady deny knowing him or his game day prep. If Brady didn’t know his real name then shame on Brady.
    ======================
    I doubt Brady knows the person responsible for the helmet communications but I bet he’s seen him a hundred times. Does this mean Brady is complicit with the helmet communication problems as well?

  214. luckyforus says:
    Jun 6, 2016 4:03 PM
    Yes, I know his nickname was also Bird and his real name McNally. He was a 20 year employee and Brady once threw a football with him on the sidelines. How could Brady deny knowing him or his game day prep. If Brady didn’t know his real name then shame on Brady
    —————————————–

    Brady was asked “Do you know Jim McNally?”

    He said that he did not know anyone by that name.

    Brady was then informed that McNally was a game-day equipment manager who was commonly referred to as “Bird”.

    Brady then said “oh yeah I know that guy. I thought his name was Burt”.

    That’s it. The league tried to spin it and make a simple misunderstanding sound like a smoking gun. Unfortunately a lot of people fell for it. McNally was a gameday employee who Brady only saw a handful of times per year. Brady worked more closely with Jastremski, so he knew Jastremski’s name. So maybe Brady doesn’t know the names of everyone who works at the stadium. He might not know the name of the custodians at the practice facility. So what? It’s a smokescreen by the NFL to try and deflect attention from their own incompetence and abuse of power.

  215. luckyforus says:
    Jun 6, 2016 4:17 PM
    Funny, Brady changed his story to conceal his lie.
    ================
    Actually Goodell did the for him.

  216. luckyforus says:
    Jun 6, 2016 4:15 PM
    No Wells needed a follow up interview with McNally. It was a reasonable request and Wells said he would meet with him anytime and anyplace. The scumbag cheaters said no so they didn’t cooperate 100% like they said. I bet one of the questions they wanted to ask is about nickname Deflator and I bet fat boy wouldn’t have referenced a ludicrous response of weight loss. Case closed
    ——————————————-

    If Wells “needed” a second interview, it’s only because he didn’t do his job right the first time. He admits as much in the appeal hearing when he says that he had overlooked some texts. That’s not McNally’s problem. One interview with Wells and three with the league should have been plenty. It’s not McNally’s fault that the $5 Million shyster doesn’t know how to interview properly.

  217. luckyforus says:
    Jun 6, 2016 4:03 PM

    Yes, I know his nickname was also Bird and his real name McNally. He was a 20 year employee and Brady once threw a football with him on the sidelines. How could Brady deny knowing him or his game day prep. If Brady didn’t know his real name then shame on Brady.
    ———-

    McNally was a game-day employee ONLY. Home games. That’s 8 days a year, possibly 11 with some playoff games added in. His job (get this): Game officials’ locker room attendant. (go read the Wells report….his job duties are described there). In addition he transported the balls to the field. He did not prep the balls, that was Jastremski’s job. Again you should read the Wells report…there’s a good page or 2 on football preparation, both by the Pats and the Colts.

    Anyways, I’m not sure why Brady should be ashamed to not know the full name of the officials’ locker room attendant that he may toss a ball with a few times a year before a game…..I tend to think he has a lot going on in his on mind about the game.

  218. The league could have asked McNally and Jastremski to testify at the appeal hearing, but they didn’t. They could have asked about the “Deflator” text, or about content of any other texts. They didn’t. If this information is so critical, why didn’t the league ask for that testimony? I would love for someone to explain that.

  219. luckyforus says:
    Jun 6, 2016 4:15 PM

    No Wells needed a follow up interview with McNally. It was a reasonable request and Wells said he would meet with him anytime and anyplace. The scumbag cheaters said no so they didn’t cooperate 100% like they said. I bet one of the questions they wanted to ask is about nickname Deflator and I bet fat boy wouldn’t have referenced a ludicrous response of weight loss. Case closed

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    you don’t need to resort to name-calling.

    Wells multiple-person team interviewed McNally for 7 hours…..you’d think the ONE piece of information that uses the term deflator would have been flagged as a main question. They also interviewed Jastremski for a full day and did get a follow-up with him, which lasted several hours, neither of which time they asked him about the ‘deflator’ text.

    During 16+ hours of questioning these two guys about football deflation, they never once asked a question about a text where McNally referred to himself as the ‘deflator’?

    Wells’ team failed horribly on this but blames the Patriots. A follow-up interview should never have been needed for asking that question. If there were discrepancies between answers to that question by those guys in their initial interviews, then yes a follow would have been justified.

  220. luckyforus says:
    Jun 6, 2016 4:36 PM
    I would think Brady knows every 20 year employee.
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    Well I guess that proves it! LOL

  221. luckyforus says:
    Jun 6, 2016 4:15 PM
    No Wells needed a follow up interview with McNally. It was a reasonable request and Wells said he would meet with him anytime and anyplace. The scumbag cheaters said no so they didn’t cooperate 100% like they said. I bet one of the questions they wanted to ask is about nickname Deflator and I bet fat boy wouldn’t have referenced a ludicrous response of weight loss. Case closed
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    Let’s talk about reasonable for a minute. When the Patriots asked Wells if McNally could be interviewed remotely to avoid having to take additional time off Wells said no. Now let’s talk about scumbags …

  222. I don’t have a problem with Wells asking for a second interview. Given the protocol of one interview and the request from the Patriots to do the second interview remotely to help McNally with his full time job I have a problem with Wells saying no. The fact he was over reaching to begin with should have forced him to be flexible.

  223. Wells didn’t realize he had the deflator text when he interviewed McNally. He made a mistake. Only guilty people would deny a follow up interview at any place and anytime.

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  224. luckyforus says:
    Jun 6, 2016 5:09 PM

    Not true. Wells said he would meet with McNally at any place and any time.

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    This is a quote from the Wells report:

    “The Patriots provided cooperation throughout the investigation, including by making personnel and information available to us upon request. Counsel for the Patriots, however, refused to make Jim McNally available for a follow-up interview requested by our investigative team on what we believed were important topics, despite our offer to meet at any time and location that would be convenient for McNally. Counsel for the Patriots apparently refused even to inform McNally of our request.”

    notice the report says the Patriots “apparently” refused to even inform McNally. Wells is speculating but it comes off as, and has been repeated many times, as if it were a fact. If it were fact, the word ‘apparently’ is unnecessary in that statement. Just one of many nuances in the report that are speculations interpreted as fact by many.

    Then PFT reported the following on May 12, 2015:

    “Per a league source, McNally was willing to be questioned by phone, but the NFL declined the offer.”

    notice it says “per a league source”…..it is not speculative. Now maybe Wells only wanted to meet in person…I don’t know…. but to say that McNally was not available to be asked any questions is totally false.

    The question you should be asking is not “why didn’t the Patriots allow McNally to be questioned by Wells a 2nd time”. The question should be “why did the NFL decline McNally’s offer to be questioned by phone”.

  225. it doesn’t matter who files what.a rehearing is never ever going to happen the court hardly ever grants a rehearing for much bigger issues let alone a cry baby cheat who got his enormous ego hurt.He’s sitting that’s the end of the story and he will forever be known as a liar and a cheater and a cry baby sissy outside of N.E.

  226. Only guilty people would deny a follow up interview at any place and anytime.
    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Only Smart People will refuse an interview with a corrupt attorney being paid by a LIAR (Goodel).

    Other Smart People, like the 33+ Scientists/Physicists/Professors put their jobs and reputation on the line to refute the lies and slander of Goodel in an attempt to FREE the NFL from this FRAME-JOB and wasting million$ in the process.

    WHY? Because they know that TRUTH, SCIENCE, LOGIC are the weapons that FREE Society from LIARS and bring about JUSTICE.

  227. no one disputes that Goodell is not an honest man so the question becomes Is Roger more trustworthy than *Tom or Bill or Kraft ? the answer is a resounding yes,therefore it’s pretty easy to believe that not only do they cheat but also lie and that’s the *patriot way

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