Mike Zimmer: Teddy Bridgewater has matured

AP

In February, Vikings General Manager Rick Spielman said that he wanted to see quarterback Teddy Bridgewater “letting it loose a little more” during his third season at the helm of the team’s offense.

We haven’t yet moved into that season, but Bridgewater appears to be making good on that request during the team’s OTAs. Coach Mike Zimmer used similar phrasing while discussing what he’s seen from Bridgewater this offseason, which might be a result of Bridgewater growing through the experience he’s gained thus far in his career.

“You know [Monday] he had a really good day,” Zimmer said, via the team’s website. “He threw the ball really, really well, and I thought he threw the ball well today, too. He just seems to be cutting it loose a little bit more. You know he sees it, and he lets it go. He’s shown some really nice deep balls. He seems like he’s, I guess, matured and he’s more comfortable in everything that he does.”

The Vikings got Bridgewater a new receiver in Laquon Treadwell in the first round and they invested in their offensive line to give Bridgewater more support in the coming year. If the comfort and maturity Zimmer observed persists when other teams are actually trying to stop the Vikings offense, it should bode well for the chances of another playoff run in Minnesota.

92 responses to “Mike Zimmer: Teddy Bridgewater has matured

  1. In a preemptive strike to the trolls from the wrong side of the river…

    No, Teddy’s hands did not grow over the offseason – they are still very close to the size of Rodgers hands.

    But no matter how you slice it or dice it, after 2 years in the NFL, Teddy is still 1 NFC North title, 17 wins, 1 playoff appearance, 28 Touchdown passes and over 6,000 yards passing yards ahead of where Rodgers was 2 years into his career.

    It took Rodgers 7 years in the NFL before he had accomplished all those things in his career.

    I’m looking forward to the 2016 season and the future.

  2. I don’t get it. He threw the ball really really well, and he also threw the ball well. Is that quote accurate?

    Anyways, that’s a nice little read. Not like he’s gonna say if anyone is sucking lol.

    Ok, bring the cliche haters…

  3. I’m sure this is the year that Teddy will throw more TDs than INTs. More importantly, So get this. There’s apparently an NBA team called the #WARRIORS I don’t watch that sport but I hear they’re pretty good like us. #hoops

  4. Look for Teddy to connect on more jump balls downfield this season. Maybe even a few to his own team!

    Worst QB in the NFCN, (baby) hands down.

  5. Here’s come Packers trolling about Teddy tiny hands, but guess what he’s going to torch your pathetic Packers defense over and over. You’re going to break down like bunch of babies begging for mercy.

  6. This will be a huge prove-it year for teddy, no excuses. He’s played well considering the circumstances (o-line, inconsistent wr play)but still needs to step up especially playing a first place schedule. Very interested to see how this year will play out in the NFCN.

  7. Man. Not what I want to hear, as a big time PACK guy. They really are building something special over there I truly believe. Good on you, Vike’s. Can’t wait for the season and see if my PACK can keep up! GO PACK!!

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  8. “Mike Zimmer: Teddy Bridgewater has matured”

    Teddy has decided that he will do without his Mickey Mouse gloves for the upcoming season – but he still wants them attached to his mitten clips just in case he misses them.

  9. Was immaturity really his problem? Johnny Manziel, sure. I think Bridgewater’s problem is more about being a sub-par starting quarterback in the NFL. But, good for him, he’s mature enough now to know that.

  10. Cant wait to see this maturity when the is running for his life this season.maybe he will finally be nature enough to flip the ball out of bounds once in awhile.

  11. It reminds me of a previous Viking head coach, Brad “Col Klink” Childress who said of T-Jack, “he really takes command of the huddle”

    As if either statement (Teddy has matured, T Jack really takes command of a huddle) matters one iota in the performance of a NFL QB. Bridgewater has shortcomings, he throws the ball from low angle so his passes can flutter or get knocked down, he tends to be inaccurate, he lacks arm strength to fit the ball into tight windows or on patterns more than 10 yards, none of these are addressed by his maturity or lack of maturity level.

    But none of this has stopped the Viking fans from declaring a 54th straight Off Season Paper Championship.

  12. summitmech says:
    Jun 8, 2016 8:12 AM

    I don’t get it. He threw the ball really really well, and he also threw the ball well. Is that quote accurate?

    Anyways, that’s a nice little read. Not like he’s gonna say if anyone is sucking lol.

    Ok, bring the cliche haters…

    ——————————————————-

    Zim was taking about two different practices. Monday’s and Tuesday’s.

    Should be a good year of football. I don’t want to see the Packers fade just yet, at least not until the Vikings can prove that they’re players at the conference level. The competition is good for everyone. Superman needs Lex Luthor, Sherlock Holmes needs Prof. Moriarty…the Vikings need to beat the Packers again to prove they own the division and aren’t just renting the top spot…then focus on higher goals.

  13. He seems pretty mature already. Dude looks like his BP is low 24/7. I like that in him.

  14. gtodriver says:
    Jun 8, 2016 8:03 AM

    In a preemptive strike to the trolls from the wrong side of the river…

    No, Teddy’s hands did not grow over the offseason – they are still very close to the size of Rodgers hands.

    But no matter how you slice it or dice it, after 2 years in the NFL, Teddy is still 1 NFC North title, 17 wins, 1 playoff appearance, 28 Touchdown passes and over 6,000 yards passing yards ahead of where Rodgers was 2 years into his career.

    It took Rodgers 7 years in the NFL before he had accomplished all those things in his career.

    I’m looking forward to the 2016 season and the future
    ————————————————————-
    Not here to say anything about Teddy, but yours facts are wrong. I’ll give you teddys first two years were better than Rodgers. Rogers was on the bench for his first three years with 318 yds – 1 td in that time. This is were your stats are wrong. In his first two years as a starter he had 8,470 yds and 58 tds. So that is only 5 years not 7 with 3 on the bench.

  15. Must be a real slow day in Wisconsin with all the tired cliches about TB. I won’t bother addressing all the nonsense.
    Just enjoy the fact you were fortunate enough to land back-to-back HOF QBs while it lasts. Football runs in cycles. Remember the 70s and 80s and all those GB glory years? They may return real soon.

  16. Claiming Packers fans are jealous of the vikings QB situation is comedic gold.

    No wonder people laugh at these threads.

    Bridgewater was:

    21st in completions, 21st in QB rating
    22nd in yards
    26th in TD passes
    38th in game winning drives (tied)

    As defenses see more tape on him it will be tougher to break into the top 20.

  17. Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Jun 8, 2016 8:25 AM

    I’m sure this is the year that Teddy will throw more TDs than INTs.
    _______

    Just like every other season.

    Although I won’t mind a few more interceptions if they’re offset by more big plays.

  18. fngs1 says:
    Jun 8, 2016 9:47 AM

    gtodriver says:
    Jun 8, 2016 8:03 AM

    In a preemptive strike to the trolls from the wrong side of the river…

    No, Teddy’s hands did not grow over the offseason – they are still very close to the size of Rodgers hands.

    But no matter how you slice it or dice it, after 2 years in the NFL, Teddy is still 1 NFC North title, 17 wins, 1 playoff appearance, 28 Touchdown passes and over 6,000 yards passing yards ahead of where Rodgers was 2 years into his career.

    It took Rodgers 7 years in the NFL before he had accomplished all those things in his career.

    I’m looking forward to the 2016 season and the future
    ————————————————————-
    Not here to say anything about Teddy, but yours facts are wrong. I’ll give you teddys first two years were better than Rodgers. Rogers was on the bench for his first three years with 318 yds – 1 td in that time. This is were your stats are wrong. In his first two years as a starter he had 8,470 yds and 58 tds. So that is only 5 years not 7 with 3 on the bench.
    _________

    Actually, his facts are right because one of the accomplishments he listed was winning the division. Rodgers didn’t win the division as a starter until 2011, his seventh year in the league.

    Sure, it’s kind of stupid, but he’s technically correct. That Super Bowl title in his sixth year probably should offset the lack of a division title.

  19. filthymcnasty3 says:
    Jun 8, 2016 8:51 AM

    Lil Teddy has matured???
    _______

    Given that Teddy is practically the same size as Aaron Rodgers, I guess we should start calling Rodgers Lil Aaron.

  20. fngs1 says:
    Jun 8, 2016 9:47 AM

    Not here to say anything about Teddy, but yours facts are wrong. I’ll give you teddys first two years were better than Rodgers. Rogers was on the bench for his first three years with 318 yds – 1 td in that time. This is were your stats are wrong. In his first two years as a starter he had 8,470 yds and 58 tds. So that is only 5 years not 7 with 3 on the bench.
    ///////////////////////////////////////////

    goatherder knows this already. He likes to manipulate figures to stroke his tiny ego. It makes him feel like he’s right.

  21. Maturity and ability to read defenses and scan the field under pressure have never really been Teddy’s issues, unless of course it relates to confidence to throw downfield and accuracy when he does so. Hopefully that improves this year. We’ll see.

  22. Robert Griffin III had 20 TD passes, 800 yards rushing, 7 TD’s and a division championship in his first season.

    So what?

    Comparisons between a 2nd year QB and an 11 year veteran are silly. Even a casual NFL fan would know this. Comparing a QB who started in his first 2 years to one who didn’t play his first couple of years is even dumber.

    When Teddy has thrown for 32,000 yards, over 250 TD’s, maintained a passer rating over 100 over 6 or 7 seasons, won a Super Bowl and a few division titles, actually won a few playoff game, is favorable statistically to the majority of his peers, and done all of these things while driving his team and being instrumental to their wins rather than playing Trent Dilfer to the Vikings defense, it would probably make sense to compare them.

    Because throwing 8 of your 14 TD passes in 4 games against the Bears and Lions really isn’t that impressive.

    And it was the Vikings’ defense that defeated Green Bay in the last game for the division title, not Teddy Bridgewater completing 53% of his passes for 99 yards and an interception.

    But if you want to compare Teddy to guys like Bortles, Carr, and Mariota, that would make sense. And if any of those guys were on the Vikings this past year with that defense, the Vikings would have had a much better shot at advancing in the playoffs.

  23. Bridgewater is making good progression this offseason partially because of the great team atmosphere that is not being dragged down by team leadership fat shaming players, informercial team training, circus fundamentals skills at practice or star players commenting on the local eating habits of the population.

  24. Most packer fans sound like ESPN1500, when they’re not ripping the Vikings they’re crying or justifying the Twins. Pathetic.

  25. @fngs

    I clearly posted “first two years in the NFL”.

    Teddy only has one full year as a starter, not two.

    Feel free to compare Teddy’s first full year to Rodgers first full year.

    I’ll give you a quick synopsis…

    Teddy took a 7-9 team from the previous season and led them to an. 11 win season and an NFC North Championship.

    Meanwhile, Rodgers took over a 13-3 team that made it to the NFC Championship game and led the Packers to a 10 loss season.

    Do you like that comparison any better?

    And stellar, once again, you’re lack of football knowledge is amazing… 😉

  26. I will so enjoy how stupid some of these small hands, noodle arm comments will seem when Teddy is a top 10 QB and is hoisting the Superbowl trophy over his head..book it this year or next…maybe both. Packers peeing their pants, good for them it matches their team colors. SKOL NFC domination for years to come.

  27. In 2013, the Vikings defense was the worst in the league (32 in points, 31 in yards), giving up 480 points. The offense scored 391 points, and was ranked 14 in points, 13 in yards.

    In 2014, when Teddy Bridgewater came in, the Vikings defense improved greatly (11 in points, 14 in yards) and gave up 343 points, 137 less than the prior year. The offense scored 325 points, 66 less than the prior year, and dropped to 20th in points, 27 in yards.

    In Bridgewater’s first year, the defense improved greatly, while the offense actually worsened precipitously. Clearly, the reason for the Vikings’ improvement in record was because of the defense, not the offense or TB.

    In 2007, the Packers defense gave up 291 points (6th points, 11th yardage), and the offense scored 435 points (4th, 2nd). Under Brett Favre, the Packers finished 13-3.

    In 2008, Rodgers first year, the defense gave up 380 points (22nd, 20th), 89 more than the year before. The offense only dropped by 16 points (5th, 8th).

    Rodgers threw for over 4000 yards and 28 TD’s, 13 INT’s, plus ran for 4 scores.

    In the prior year, Favre threw for over 4000 yards, 28 TD’s, 15 INT’s, and ran for 0 scores.

    The Packers lost little with the switch from Favre to Rodgers. The issue with the Packers had everything to do with the Packers defense, and very little, if anything to do with the offense. Rodgers actually improved things, accounting for 4 more scores and 2 less turnovers.

    To make an accurate comparison of team performance, you need to look at more than just QB’s.

    Someone was saying something about football knowledge?

  28. OK Minny fans… Here it is…

    – Third year in the league for your QB
    – Stout top rated Defense
    – RB that has said this is a SB year.
    – key addition of a WR

    You are now officially out of excuses, you are playing a divisional champions schedule this year and have all the key players in place. If you do not represent the NFC in the Super Bowl, according to your thought process concerning past Packer seasons…
    You will have officially choked.
    2016 is the year of no excuses, Put up or shut up.
    Good Luck

  29. gtodriver says:
    Jun 8, 2016 8:03 AM
    “But no matter how you slice it or dice it, after 2 years in the NFL, Teddy is still 1 NFC North title, 17 wins, 1 playoff appearance, 28 Touchdown passes and over 6,000 yards passing yards ahead of where Rodgers was 2 years into his career.”
    ///////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Stop lying! You compared Bridgewater to Rodgers, while Rodgers was on the bench for two years. Here it is! You posted this!

    Stop feeding your fragile ego with lies and deception.

    Football knowledge, please. Just stop.

  30. ariani1985/250dollarnflowner says:
    Jun 8, 2016 1:56 PM

    looks like GTO took frankie booth/performance to the woopen she’d!
    class dismissed!
    ===================================
    Look again. He’s been toasted once more. Now he’ll slink off into the shadows, with no reply.

    And the word your looking for is “whoopin’ “.

  31. ariani1985 says:
    Jun 8, 2016 1:58 PM
    notice that little Erin Rogers never played his first 3 years! let that sink in!
    /////////////////////////////////

    ……..sounds like the recipe for success.

  32. Here are Teddy’s incredible career playoff statics.

    Winning % .000
    Passing TD’s 0
    Passing Yards 146
    Rushing TD’s 0
    Rushing Yards 0

    Obviously he’s a tremendous leader of men.

  33. NFC north active leader
    1. fumble 6s
    2. playoff losses
    3. most road playoff losses
    4. zero OT wins
    5. most OT playoff losses?

    hint, wears #12!

  34. ariani1985 says:
    Jun 8, 2016 3:34 PM
    NFC north active leader
    1. fumble 6s
    2. playoff losses
    3. most road playoff losses
    4. zero OT wins
    5. most OT playoff losses?

    hint, wears #12!!
    ///////////////////////////////////

    I know, I know…………David Fales?

    Did I win?

  35. AFC East Active Leader

    1. Fumble 6’s
    2. Playoff losses
    3. Road playoff losses
    4. Home playoff losses
    5. OT Losses
    6. Interceptions
    7. Fumbles
    8. Super Bowl losses

    hint, wears #12!

  36. ariani1985 says:
    Jun 8, 2016 4:48 PM

    Fales wears 10.
    ==================================
    He wore 10 in college.

    He wears 12 in the NFL for the Bears.

    You couldn’t even get that right.

  37. frank booth says:

    Comparisons between a 2nd year QB and an 11 year veteran are silly.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    frank, for once you and I can agree on something.

    That is why I never compared a 2nd year QB to an 11th year QB.

    I compared them on a “per year” basis.

    You point out later that Rodgers, after three seasons learning the Packer offense “outperformed” Teddy in Teddy’s first year in the NFL.

    Does that make any sense?

    Especially, after you posted all those stats trying to prove your case, when you failed to realize that Teddy only started 12 games.

    Yes, in 12 games in his rookie season, he won just as many as Rodgers did in 16 starts of his 4th season. You pointed out that Rodgers had 4,000 yards a 16 starts. That’s a statistical tie.

    And Teddy did that without the #1 RB in the NFL.

    You talk about how it was the Packer defense’s fault that Rodgers didn’t do better his first year. It wasn’t.

    Don’t believe me – let me give you a couple examples:

    Viking/Packer game at the Dome in 2008.

    The Packer DEFENSE held Gus Frerotte to 15 completions and 151 yards passing. The Packer DEFENSE intercepted Frerotte 3 times – one returned to the endzone – another returned to MN territory that resulted in a FG – and a fumble recovery in MN territory that resulted in another FG.

    Now as bad as Frerotte was that day, Rodgers was actually worse.

    Rodgers completed the same # of passes (15), but only had 142 yards. He was sacked 4 times – and the Vikings scored 2 safeties – 1 because of intentional grounding from the endzone by Rodgers and on the very next Packer offense play sacking Rodgers in the endzone.

    The only offensive TD by the Packer offense was after Charles Woodson intercepted a pass and gave Rodgers the ball in Vikings territory.

    The only other offensive points were also scored after the Packer DEFENSE forced a turnover

    Rodgers was so ineffective, between the sacks, the incomplete passes and the safeties, that the Packer DEFENSE was on the field for 36 minutes.

    Falcon/Packer game at Lambeau:

    In this game, on the surface, Rodgers put up some very impressive personal numbers – 25 completions, 3 TD’s, 303 yards.

    But what he couldn’t deliver was consistent long drives that ended up with 7 points. The only scoring drive longer than 4 minutes for the Packers resulted in only 3 points.

    The Packers DEFENSE held Matt Ryan to only 16 completions and 194 yards. It was the Packers DEFENSE that intercepted Ryan that led to one of the Packers 4th quarter TD’s.

    The bulk of Rodgers passing yards came in the 4th quarter with a 2 minute 8 second drive and a 1 minute and 39 second drive that did result in TD’s.

    Of course, sandwiched in between those two drives was a Rodgers INT that led to a Falcon TD.

    Yup, impressive numbers for Rodgers, but too little too late for the team.

  38. stellarperformance says:

    gtodriver says:

    “But no matter how you slice it or dice it, after 2 years in the NFL, Teddy is still 1 NFC North title, 17 wins, 1 playoff appearance, 28 Touchdown passes and over 6,000 yards passing yards ahead of where Rodgers was 2 years into his career.”
    ///////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Stop lying! You compared Bridgewater to Rodgers, while Rodgers was on the bench for two years.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Can you please point to exactly what part of my post is a lie?

    Let’s check it out…

    NFC North Championship – check

    17 wins – check

    28 TD passes – check

    Over 6,000 more yards than Rodgers in his first 2 years in the NFL – check

    Teddy accomplished everything I posted.

    And Rodgers, as you so eloquently point out, sat on the bench.

    He did put up some numbers though – 15 completions for 111 yards, ZERO TD’s, 1 INT and was sacked 6 times.

    Passer rating in year 1 was 39.8 and in year 2 he improved to 48.2.

    The problem with you is that when true facts are presented that you don’t like, you just claim people are lying.

    And then you go and make stuff up – which has you lying in a vain attempt to make you feel better about yourself…

  39. I’d rather have Teddy than any other QB in the NFCN. Stanford is overrated and overpaid; Cutler is Cutler and will never be anything else but Cutler; Hollywood Rodgers has an ego as wide as the Grand Canyon and has a HUGE propensity to blame everyone else but himself for his lousy play. Teddy is hard working, smart, a leader, and most important, humble, AND he takes responsibility for a loss as a QB should. He’s going to be a great QB, and I don’t care one iota what you Cheesers say out of fear for your floundering team. Teddy IS a winner.

  40. gtodriver-

    Stop being a charlatan. You originally were attempting to show that the improvement in the Vikings was due to Bridgewater in the first year, and then attribute the failure of the Packers in Rodgers first year to Aaron Rodgers.

    Then, in a bleak attempt to provide a basis for your argument, you go and cherry pick 2 games (trying to make your point by a fallacious “exception to the rule” argument), as if that’s the way it went the entire season. I’m sure you could find the same exceptions in a season for any great QB, and many for Bridgewater. Kudos, though, for spending your day on Football Reference culling the play-by-plays from box scores to “selectively choose” exceptions to prove your point. If you’re going to do that and be genuine about it, then do it for all 16 games for both QB’s.

    It’s akin to you saying that “Adrian Peterson is the best running back in the league”, and then I turn around and show you that Joique Bell and John Starks outperformed him in a couple of games, as if it would prove that AP wasn’t a great RB.

    I simply showed that the fortunes of both TB and Rodgers were more tied to defensive performance, and that there was barely any fall-off from Rodgers to Favre.

    I didn’t compare TB and Rodgers head-to-head, but there certainly were no statistical ties in their first seasons, outside of games that the teams (not individuals) won. Teddy Bridgewater and Aaron Rodgers didn’t win or lose games on their own in their first seasons. Their teams did.

    Oh , what did Teddy do when he had the best running back in the league?

    He pretty much had the same stats in 16 games as he did in 12 the previous year.

    Save the fallacious arguments, misdirection, spin, and weak comparisons to ariani1985 and the politicians.

  41. gtodriver says:
    Jun 8, 2016 6:00 PM

    stellarperformance says:

    gtodriver says:

    “But no matter how you slice it or dice it, after 2 years in the NFL, Teddy is still 1 NFC North title, 17 wins, 1 playoff appearance, 28 Touchdown passes and over 6,000 yards passing yards ahead of where Rodgers was 2 years into his career.”
    ///////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Stop lying! You compared Bridgewater to Rodgers, while Rodgers was on the bench for two years.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Can you please point to exactly what part of my post is a lie?

    Let’s check it out…

    NFC North Championship – check

    17 wins – check

    28 TD passes – check

    Over 6,000 more yards than Rodgers in his first 2 years in the NFL – check

    Teddy accomplished everything I posted.

    And Rodgers, as you so eloquently point out, sat on the bench.

    He did put up some numbers though – 15 completions for 111 yards, ZERO TD’s, 1 INT and was sacked 6 times.

    Passer rating in year 1 was 39.8 and in year 2 he improved to 48.2.

    The problem with you is that when true facts are presented that you don’t like, you just claim people are lying.

    And then you go and make stuff up – which has you lying in a vain attempt to make you feel better about yourself…
    =================================
    You didn’t really lie. You’re playing a game by omission and distorting the context.

    Let’s keep it simple.

    What is the point that you are trying to make by comparing Teddy Bridgewater’s first two seasons versus Aaron Rodgers?

    It’s a straightforward question with a simple answer.

  42. frank booth says:

    Then, in a bleak attempt to provide a basis for your argument, you go and cherry pick 2 games (trying to make your point by a fallacious “exception to the rule” argument), as if that’s the way it went the entire season.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Well, if you go back and look, most games were like that.

    Yeah, Rodgers put up 343 yards against the Saints, but he lost the game 29 – 51.

    I guess I could have pointed out Rodgers best game – against Detroit – with 324 yards – but that was the season that Detroit went 0 – 16.

    *********************************

    I simply showed that the fortunes of both TB and Rodgers were more tied to defensive performance, and that there was barely any fall-off from Rodgers to Favre.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Favre didn’t need to score points in garbage time like Rodgers did. The Favre led team was winning most of the time in the 4th quarter and running out the clock. Rodgers was a 4th quarter “hero” of a losing team.

    **************************************

    I didn’t compare TB and Rodgers head-to-head, but there certainly were no statistical ties in their first seasons…
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Ummmm….

    2900 yards in 12 starts is 242 yards per game. 4000 yards in 16 games is 250. That’s pretty close when comparing a ROOKIE to a 4th year player.

    And Teddy didn’t need to garner yards in garbage time to get those numbers – he actually led game winning drives in the 4th quarter – as a ROOKIE.

    Teddy QB’d the Vikings to a pair of OVERTIME wins in his rookie season – that’s something Rodgers stills struggles with to this day.

    Thanks for playin’ frank, it’s been fun… 😀

  43. frank booth says:

    You didn’t really lie.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    For the second time in one thread, we agree.

    ********************************************

    What is the point that you are trying to make by comparing Teddy Bridgewater’s first two seasons versus Aaron Rodgers?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    I never compared Teddy’s first two seasons to Aaron’s first two seasons.

    I compared Teddy’s results in his first two seasons to how long it took Aaron to accomplish the same things.

    As to my point, I refer you the last sentence of my original post:

    “I’m looking forward to the 2016 season and the future.”

  44. Teddy may have tiny hands …. ( wow…..embarrassing losing to a guy with small hands )……Teddy’s HEART is much bigger than “Erin’s” …..and in the LONG term will be better than ER …..( emergency rodgers ) ….aka ‘hail mary’…!!!

  45. gtodriver says:
    Jun 8, 2016 7:24 PM

    frank booth says:

    You didn’t really lie.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    For the second time in one thread, we agree.

    ********************************************

    What is the point that you are trying to make by comparing Teddy Bridgewater’s first two seasons versus Aaron Rodgers?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    I never compared Teddy’s first two seasons to Aaron’s first two seasons.

    I compared Teddy’s results in his first two seasons to how long it took Aaron to accomplish the same things.

    As to my point, I refer you the last sentence of my original post:

    “I’m looking forward to the 2016 season and the future.”
    ==================================

    Really. That’s your whole point? That a guy who was playing second string to a Hall-of-Famer and didn’t have the same opportunities as Bridgewater didn’t accomplish the same things or better?

  46. gtodriver says:
    Jun 8, 2016 7:07 PM

    gtodriver

    Funny stuff. Unfortunately, just writing it doesn’t make it true.

    Of course Favre didn’t put up numbers in garbage time in 2007- because there wasn’t much garbage time- the Packers only lost 3 games- because the defense was much better.

    I’ll give you that some of Rodgers scores and yards were in garbage time, but not to the extent that you try to make it sound.

    Bridgewater doesn’t even put up good numbers for prime time, let alone garbage time. He couldn’t pad his stats if he wanted.

    Also, Bridgewater didn’t put up 242 yards per game. He played in 13 games (he came in early in the 2nd quarter to replace Cassel is his first game. He averaged more like 229 yards per game. For most, I would figure this was an honest mistake- you, not so much.

    Teddy Bridgewater was absolutely amazing in those overtime games in 2014:

    He never got on the field against Tampa Bay, as Anthony Barr returned a fumble for a TD to win the game in OT.

    In the game against the Jets, TB threw a very short pass to Jarius Wright behind the line of scrimmage. Wright took it from behind scrimmage all the way for an 87 yard touchdown to lead the Vikings to an OT win.

    But the most telling gem was when you said OT is “something Rodgers stills struggles with to this day”.

    Aaron Rodgers hasn’t seen the field for an OT game in over 5 seasons.

    I think we’re done here. And again-save the fallacious arguments, misdirection, spin, and weak comparisons for the politicians.

    And I liked your “Thanks for playin’”. Because that’s exactly what you’re doing.

  47. Not really getting the whole size thing.

    Bridgewater is two-inches taller and ten-pounds heavier than the current NFL yardage leader Drew Brees, who has thrown for a lot more yards that Rodgers. Sadly,. like Arron (‘the better team lost’) Rodgers, Brees has grown into a whiner. I really hope Teddy doesn’t turn into that. He seems like a very solid, level-headed person. Like him a lot.

    TB isn’t Brees or Rodgers on the field though, and no one I’ve read here has said that. He’s young.

    Not sure what it will take for people to realize Mike Zimmer doesn’t blow hot air or waste words. If he said Bridgewater is maturing, you can bet he is. I think most fans and the other players see coach Zimmer as the biggest threat. He is. Good coach.

    It’s an unfinished story. Bring on the next chapter!

  48. Rodgers hands are just 1/8 of an inch longer than Teddy’s. A whole 1/8 of an inch.

    Where Rodgers kicks Teddy’s a** are his feet. Have you seen the clown shoes Erin has been wearing during OTA’s? They’re fricking huge.

  49. My oh my…why are so many packer fans nervous?

    Is it because the young and improving bridgewater has improved his team each year he has been with them?

    Is it because their aging QB who has shown increasing signs of inaccuracy and choke jobs has hurt his team more than helped?

    Packer fans have a LOT to worry.

  50. Zimmer doesn’t pile on praise if it’s not warranted. In fact, he’s pretty upfront when players don’t do what he’s asked of them. If Teddy wasn’t doing things the right way the quote would have been something along the lines of: “We’re still waiting to see if he can let it lose like we asked him to.”

    I don’t blame packer fans for not being able to read between the lines, they have a hard enough time reading what’s printed.

  51. Bridgewater hasn’t improved the team. Mike Zimmer has, taking the worst defense in the league 2 years ago and making it one of the best.

    Bridgewater was even less effective in 2015 than he was in 2014, and he all but disappeared in the biggest two games of the season. He’s a replacement level QB after his first 2 seasons.

    The Vikings will go as far as AP and the defense will take them, which isn’t necessarily a bad team.

  52. While I agree Zimmer is the bigger factor in the Vikings improvement, I wouldn’t say Bridgewater didn’t contribute. He just plays smart football.

    What part of Peterson’s return and a run-first offense do you not understand? Having key O-Line players out also didn’t help Bridgewater.

    Bridgewater disappeared in the Vikings two biggest games of the season? He won the season finale at Lambeau when Erin was playing for all the marbles and put his team in place for a game winning chip-shot field goal in the playoffs vs. Seattle.

    Just think when Bridgewater takes it to the next level AND has Peterson AND that defense. And of course let’s not forget Zimmer and all the other upgrades to the team since last season.

    I’d be nervous too.

  53. If you’d watched the games for the last five years, then you wouldn’t be so completely wrong. The offense moves the ball down the field MUCH better than it did the years before we drafted TB. The only knock on his stats is total yards and TDs, both of which are a result of a lack of passing opportunities and time in the pocket. He is statistically a TOP 5 QB in accuracy while being the #1 most pressured QB in the league. When Rodgers and Cutler are pressured in games at the same rate as TB experienced in every game, their stats drop drastically, as every QB’s stats do. More pocket time = more yards = more tds.

    But stats aside, the team trusts TB, and if not for a shanked fg at the end of the playoff game, people would be praising him for leading the Vikings down the field on a game winning drive like a seasoned veteran in extreme adverse conditions. Considering how bad the Cardinals/Palmer looked the following week and the hawks the one after that, who knows how far they’d have gone.

    What makes Zimmer and the Vikings Org. great is that they don’t mince words or waste time. If TB doesn’t improve in his third year, they will look for another answer and as you said, they can afford to do that because they can go very far with their defense, rb and coaching.

  54. Aaron Rodgers hasn’t seen the field for an OT game in over 5 seasons.
    ———————
    That is not entirely true. Last year Rodgers was on the field in OT for the coin flip. Even though Green Bay was given two chances to win the coin flip Rodgers cried to the media about how unfair it was that he was not given another chance to recall the reflip. I saw yesterday that the NFL passed a new rule about that exactly coin flip scenario and it turns out what the ref did there was appropriate and what is now a rule. So it turns out what Rodgers was crying about was exactly the way it should have been done. Typical.

  55. mnvikes1961 says:
    Jun 9, 2016 5:22 PM

    While I agree Zimmer is the bigger factor in the Vikings improvement, I wouldn’t say Bridgewater didn’t contribute. He just plays smart football.

    What part of Peterson’s return and a run-first offense do you not understand? Having key O-Line players out also didn’t help Bridgewater.

    Bridgewater disappeared in the Vikings two biggest games of the season? He won the season finale at Lambeau when Erin was playing for all the marbles and put his team in place for a game winning chip-shot field goal in the playoffs vs. Seattle.

    Just think when Bridgewater takes it to the next level AND has Peterson AND that defense. And of course let’s not forget Zimmer and all the other upgrades to the team since last season.
    ==================================
    There are plenty of run-first offenses where the QB’s are much more effective, especially since the keying on a good RB creates more opportunities.

    Take a look at the Top 10 running teams, and you’ll see that, save for the Rams, the QB’s on those teams threw for more TD’s and yards than TB. In fact, 4 of those QB’s threw for over 30 TD’s, and 5 of them threw for over 3500 yards.

    The Vikings were just of many teams that line problems. The Bears did, the Patriots had huge problems, as did many other teams. Brady led the league in TD passes while the line was in a constant state of flux. A big part of Bridgewater’s problem is that he creates his own problems by holding onto the ball too long, and he has a slow release.

    Bridgewater had very little to do with the Vikings’ win in Lambeau. He was 10-19 for 99 yards and an INT. Clearly a defensive win for the Vikings, only giving up 13 points, with the difference being a fumble return for a TD.

    Pretty much the same against Seattle. The defense held Seattle to 10 points, stopped AP, and Bridgewater didn’t come through. He was unable to get his team in the end zone, leaving it on his kicker to score, and only threw for 146 yards Only the Rams threw for less yards against Seattle.

    Who says Bridgewater will go to another level? How do you know that AP will continue to perform at the same level, or that the defense will continue to improve, or DC’s won’t be able to find ways to penetrate the defense? The Vikings are a very good team, but a lot of things can happen.

  56. Hey- you can paint any scenario you’d like- and slant stats to support your argument either for or against- so I’m not even going to waste time doing that.

    But your last paragraphs has a lot of what-if’s. Yes- a lot of things can happen- to any team.

    I think Bridgewater will do just fine and is on the rise. And he has a much improved supporting cast- improved O-line, O-Line coach. Treadwell should help and he still has AD.

    I can understand why you hope he’s hit his ceiling- but I doubt that’s the case. And even with slight improvement by Bridgewater- this team will be very hard to stop.

  57. Does that mean his hands have finally grown larger than a woman’s?

    Because that’s the only way he’s ever going to throw deep with any accuracy.

  58. In 2015, Bridgewater showed improvement from his rookie season, with his passer rating improving to 88.7 from 85.3 in 2014. Last year, he threw for 3,231 yards with 14 touchdowns and nine interceptions. He also ran for three touchdowns.
    That 88.7 rating was the seventh highest all-time for a quarterback starting 16 games as a 23-year-old, and was better than QBs such as Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Joe Flacco, Drew Brees and Andrew Luck at the same age. But if you listen to the trolls here he is rotten with baby hands which is just absurd.

  59. Most people don’t say Bridgewater’s rotten. Vikings’ fans just give him a lot more credit than what he deserves right now. He may yet be a really good QB, and he shows poise and maturity in the way he handles himself. There are people here that compare him to Aaron Rodgers, and he shouldn’t really be compared to any QB with a bigger body of work, whether good or bad. He shows flashed at times, and at other times he looks very pedestrian. But the fact of the matter is that the Vikings defense is the driving force on this team right now, not Bridgewater. He reminds one of Chad Pennington right now

    TB threw the same amount of TD’s than he did the previous year, except that he played 3 more games, and his YPG dropped last year, from 224 to 201.

    I don’t know where his passer rating at age 23 figures in, or if it really matters. Josh Freeman had a rating of 96 at the age of 22, and he flamed out. Out of those guys at 23 (or younger), he had the lowest amount of yardage and TD’s. There are some great QB’s that appear on that list, and a bunch of other that don’t. Of course, it’s better for him to be on there than not, but of players in the Top 10 at age 22-23 with the highest passer ratings, only one of them has won a Super Bowl, which is significant only within itself.

    This year should tell a lot. But even if he doesn’t improve much, there’s still plenty of time.

  60. frank booth says:

    Of course Favre didn’t put up numbers in garbage time in 2007- because there wasn’t much garbage time- the Packers only lost 3 games- because the defense was much better.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Thanks for making my point – Favre was winning games while Rodgers was losing games.

    They were both playing with the most of the same players.

    The defense wasn’t any better for Favre – they just weren’t on the field as much and were playing with a lead most of the time- which led to better statistics.

    Simple football facts seem to escape you, which is why you have so much trouble comprehending the truth.

  61. Wrong. The Packers defense gave up 5.6 points per game more in 2008, when Rodgers took over. That’s a big spread.

    The defense was actually on the field for more plays (994) than the offense (985) was in 2007 under Favre, which immediately undermines your argument. And it wasn’t much different in 2008, when they were on the field for an additional 9 plays, less than one more play per game.

    A defense playing with a lead won’t necessarily lead to better defensive stats, especially with big leads.

    The same personnel don’t guarantee the same performance, game-to-game or year-to-year. But in Rodgers’ first year, the Packers lost starting MLB Nick Barnett for half the season. He was a 2nd team ALL-Pro in 2007 and led the team in tackles with 102 in 16 games. In 2008, the Packers leading tackler had 67 tackles in 16 games- 35 less than Barnett had the previous year.

    The Packers were 4-4 with Barnett, and 2-6 without him after going out in Week 9 against the Vikings.

    What was that you were saying about facts?

  62. Frank

    The Packers went 13 – 3 with Favre. They went 6 – 10 with Rodgers.

    Detroit won 7 games in 2007 – they won ZERO in 2008.

    Two of Rodgers wins in 2008 were against the winless Lions.

    The Bears win total increased by 2 wins as did the Vikings.

    As bad as the Lions were (down 7 wins), the Packers matched them (down 7 wins)

    The Packer defense in 2008 had more INT’s and more forced fumbles than in 2007.

    That gave Rodgers more opportunities with the football – which he usually squandered away in the first half – hanging his defense out to dry.

    Offensive time of possession in 2007 under Favre was 31.5. In ’08 under Rodgers it was only 28.2.

    The Packer fans were so desperate to believe that Ted Thompson made the right choice by kicking Farve out of Green Bay – that they (and apparently you) believe that Rodgers was a competent QB in his 4th year in the NFL.

    The win total says different.

  63. Rodgers certainly wasn’t elite at that point, but he was more than competent. 28 TD’s, 13 INT’s, 4000 yards and a 93.8 rating is pretty competent.

    Only you would think otherwise.

    And you’re cherry-picking doesn’t help you prove anything.

    For instance, even if the Lions won 7 games in 2008, it still doesn’t mean the Packers wouldn’t have beaten them.

    Now obviously, I know that you didn’t watch the Packers in 2008. So the things that you are attempting to present as fact (“That gave Rodgers more opportunities with the football – which he usually squandered away in the first half – hanging his defense out to dry.) are nothing more than assumption.

    When you are faced with facts, that’s how you argue. You search for every exception, and try to spin assumptions and facts. Lick your wounds and move on.

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