Key #Deflategate ruling could come at any time

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At the outset of draft week, we suggested that, if the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit had a sense of flair, it would issue a ruling in the case arising from Patriots quarterback Tom Brady’s four-game suspension, necessarily overshadowing the final days before the rookie selection process. And not long after pressing the “publish” button, the Second Circuit’s decision upholding the suspension arrived.

Now, a full month after Brady filed a petition for a rehearing of the case, another decision could come at any time. If the request for a rehearing is denied, Brady will have to decide whether to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court. If the request for a rehearing is granted, the suspension will be delayed indefinitely as the full Second Circuit court receives written briefs, schedules an oral argument, conducts oral argument, reaches a decision, and writes it up.

Regardless of the outcome of the litigation, strong feelings regarding the case remain, particularly among Patriots fans. Coincidentally (or not), the debut episode of Patriots fan Bill Simmons’ new HBO show, Any Given Wednesday, included a visit from actor and fellow Patriots fan Ben Affleck. But the substance of the current Batman’s arguments were overshadowed by the delivery. Apart from the continuous profanity (amazingly, the only time Affleck chose his words carefully came when he paused before questioning the “integrity” of the Commissioner), Affleck seemed off. Many believe that he slurred throughout the interview.

It’s an odd way for the first episode of the Simmons show to create buzz. The good news for Simmons is that, unlike Artie Lange on Joe Buck’s former HBO show, Affleck didn’t attack the host. The bad news for Simmons is that the only buzz created by the show came from nothing Simmons or his guests said but how one of his guests said what he said.

But for Affleck’s demeanor and speech, the headline could have been that Affleck, who has a friendship with Brady, possibly dropped a strong hint regarding Brady’s real reason for refusing to surrender his cell phone: “Maybe Tom Brady’s so f–king classy and such a f–king gentleman that he doesn’t want people to know that he may have reflected on his real opinion of some of his coworkers. You know, like guys he plays with, guys he plays against. His real feelings. I wouldn’t want guys who I didn’t think were very good to know I didn’t think they were very good. I wouldn’t want guys who I thought were great to know I thought they were great.”

Simmons addressed the situation indirectly on Twitter, pointing out that the interview was taped in the late morning (which cuts against the notion that Affleck had been drinking, supposedly) and that “Ben got fired up about DeflateGate during the convo, that’s it.”

Few who saw or heard the interview will believe that, but Simmons surely felt compelled to defend his guest. Doing so sends a strong message to any and all future guests on the show.

The fact that the show was taped so long before it aired invites another question. Did anyone notice that Affleck was off and in turn consider the possibility of delaying the interview by a few hours, or at least otherwise raising the question of whether it was in Affleck’s best interests to proceed in the condition he was in, whatever the reason for it was?

The question of what happened to Affleck and whether it was temporary or part of some new, Charlie Sheen-style persona have, at least for now, eclipsed #Deflategate. That could change at any moment, if the Second Circuit bangs the gavel on Brady’s request — especially if the answer is that Brady’s request for another chance to win the appeal has been denied.

210 responses to “Key #Deflategate ruling could come at any time

  1. What a waste of 2 offseasons. Supreme court may rule on whether or not the air pressure of footballs was lower than some standard, even though there wasn’t standard testing?

  2. Tom Brady’s innocence is clear and certain. Looking forward to another great Brady come from behind victory. However, justice delayed is justice denied.

  3. FoozieGrooler says:
    Jun 23, 2016 11:56 AM
    Goodell ought to make it 8, since Brady won’t man up, and for otherwise being such a PITA.

    _____________________

    “Man up” and take the punishment he doesn’t deserve!

    And if by PITA you mean, “winner,” then I agree.

  4. FoozieGrooler says:
    Jun 23, 2016 11:56 AM
    Goodell ought to make it 8, since Brady won’t man up, and for otherwise being such a PITA.
    _________________

    Man up? You mean like Goodell & Co did when Berman found in Brady’s favor? I’m no Pats fan but the double standard applied here is laughable.

  5. “He’s saying what we’re all thinking.”
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    What, Patriot fans? Wake me up when someone that isn’t a delusional Boston stooge comes to his defense.

    #bandwagonnation

  6. Wells and the NFL never asked for Brady’s phone, so the whole “OMG HIS PRIVACY!!” argument is a red herring. Wells explicitly said he didn’t need the entire phone, only any responsive communications dealing with ball deflation, communications with the Deflator and Dorito Dink, and the like. Brady and his agent could have simply said “no such communications exist” if that were true, but it’s telling that they chose not to and decided instead to destroy the phone all together. That tells you everything you need to know about what was on that phone.

  7. Its funny how people in here stilkl think this is about the PSI of footballs. Its not. Its about where the US court system has the right to infringe on a companies punishment of one of their employees. The reason Bradys suspention was reinstated is because a US court found that a different US court does NOT have the right to dictate how the NFL punishes their players. They by law, DO NOT. Just like if you got suspended at your job, taking your boss to court about it would do you no good.

  8. Pat had broken rules before.

    Then, one day, they accused Pat of breaking a rule, but had a really difficult time proving it.

    Pat is still a rule-breaker.

  9. Cant wait for Brady to start promoting “The Deflator diet plan”. It should go like ” trainers hate him, learn of to deflate with on simple trick….”

  10. Appeal will be denied. Brady hasn’t a chance in the courts with a case that took place in arbitration. The supremes won’t waste their time on this boat anchor. The fat lady is warming up.

  11. “Maybe Tom Brady’s so f–king classy and such a f–king gentleman that he doesn’t want people to know that he may have reflected on his real opinion of some of his coworkers.”

    A real gentleman would never have put those words down for somebody else to find.

  12. He was dead right! How can you be suspended for destroying something that you were told didn’t need to be provided.

    It would be like being pulled over for texting and driving, going to court, offering to show the text logs from your phone, being told there was no need. Then being sent to jail for destroying the phone.

  13. stealthjunk says:
    Jun 23, 2016 12:13 PM

    Wells and the NFL never asked for Brady’s phone, so the whole “OMG HIS PRIVACY!!” argument is a red herring. Wells explicitly said he didn’t need the entire phone, only any responsive communications dealing with ball deflation, communications with the Deflator and Dorito Dink, and the like. Brady and his agent could have simply said “no such communications exist” if that were true, but it’s telling that they chose not to and decided instead to destroy the phone all together. That tells you everything you need to know about what was on that phone.
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    Your argument was going good, but then you dropped the ball. Brady’s lawyers gave the NFL all of the paper copies of the communications in question. But because they waited so long, the NFL decided that having the information they wanted was less important than having the phone “they didn’t need”.

    Basically, the NFL always says the right things to make themselves look good, but the reality is, the NFL wanted Brady’s phone. Not because it would incriminate him in deflating footballs, they already know that didn’t happen, because they made this whole thing up. They wanted the leverage to be able to leak information from Brady’s phone. “You aren’t going to take the 4 game suspension, and you want to take us to court? Maybe those emails about (insert something negative he said about Belichick) will find their way into the publics eye…” That is what the NFL wanted. Look what the NFL did when they got Richie Incognito’s phone.

  14. Brady’s phone = Trump’s tax returns.

    Move along, nothing to see here, these are not the things you are looking for..

  15. After the total fail that batman vs superman was, I would put my money on affleck going back to the bottle. #worstbatmansinceclooney

  16. Nothing to see hear. Simply a couple of Southie has-beens living in their land of rainbows and unicorns crying over spilled milk.

    “The Deflator” would actually be an apt nickname for either of their careers at this point and time.

  17. Why did the NFL lie about the PSI levels? Why did they believe everything Walt Anderson said except which gauge he used? If they believed what Walt said about the gauge, framegate never would have happened.
    As the 21 scientists said so well in the brief they filed with the court.
    ” This is not tampering . It is science”
    Science proves there was no tampering.

  18. The worst part of drunk Ben was he got it all wrong. Wells said Brady co-operated fully with the phone records and further need of the phone was not needed. Goodell pulled the phone issue back after the fact as a smoke screen, that all the suckers bought into. Idiot.

  19. billswillnevermove says:
    Jun 23, 2016 12:13 PM

    Training camp is right around the corner. This needs to go away, period.

    It would go away if Brady simply manned up and took his 4 game suspension. Wouldn’t matter. The AFC East is so bad the big bad Patsies should still be able to win that division in a cakewalk

  20. that kind of response could be heard on any boston street corner sports convo.

  21. Can a none pats fan please explain why Aaron Rodgers can admit to using over inflated balls way before this so called deflate gate started and he wasn’t punished and why 3 of 4 colts balls was under and why Godell never released the psi levels from this year

  22. umainebearman says:
    Jun 23, 2016 12:14 PM

    Its funny how people in here stilkl think this is about the PSI of footballs. Its not. Its about where the US court system has the right to infringe on a companies punishment of one of their employees.
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    No it isn’t. Federal courts hear labor disputes, which is what this case is about.

    Goodell overstepped his authority with his punishment, and he denied Brady a fair appeal hearing.

  23. stealthjunk says:
    Jun 23, 2016 12:13 PM
    Wells and the NFL never asked for Brady’s phone, so the whole “OMG HIS PRIVACY!!” argument is a red herring. Wells explicitly said he didn’t need the entire phone, only any responsive communications dealing with ball deflation, communications with the Deflator and Dorito Dink, and the like. Brady and his agent could have simply said “no such communications exist” if that were true, but it’s telling that they chose not to and decided instead to destroy the phone all together. That tells you everything you need to know about what was on that phone.
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    Uh huh. Gotcha. That’s why when Brady provided the logs from that phone at the first appeal hearing the NFL decided to do nothing with them. There were three other people with direct interaction of the balls. Those numbers were already gathered by Wells. Less than 5 minutes worth of effort would have revealed any responsive communications between Brady and those three people. THAT tells you everything you need to know about what was on that phone.

  24. The thing that gets me, more than the lack of evidence, and all the lies told by Goodell, is that not only were both team’s balls under 12.5psi, but even going by the Wells’ Reports’ own manipulated figures, the Pats’ balls were supposedly under by an average of 0.2psi – AND YET this is still well within the gauges’ error range of +/- 0.5psi.

  25. favreisadouche says:
    Jun 23, 2016 12:39 PM
    It would go away if Brady simply manned up and took his 4 game suspension. Wouldn’t matter. The AFC East is so bad the big bad Patsies should still be able to win that division in a cakewalk
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    It would go away if Goodell simply manned up, released the data from this past seasons ‘random’ PSI checks and admitted this is about the CBA, not Brady or the Pats.

    You need to tuck in that Favre jersey, your lack of knowledge is hanging out. The AFCE was the winningest division in football again last season and has won more games than any other division over the last decade. Last season NE lost 2 of 6 division games and 2 of 10 out of the division for the 3 rd year in a row.

  26. Good stuff, Ben. Sounds like there may have been pictures of Tom, you, and the nanny on that phone. I’m ready for Trump to build a wall around this whole thing.

  27. Those that want Brady suspended for first 4 games should not have a problem with first 4 games of season being played in other countries then

  28. steviaquinn says:
    Jun 23, 2016 12:17 PM

    Cant wait for Brady to start promoting “The Deflator diet plan”. It should go like ” trainers hate him, learn of to deflate with on simple trick….”
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    Good grief. What does that even mean? What are you trying to say?

  29. Brady winced when The Deflator said ” I set the balls down on the ground on the right- and used the urinal on the left”
    Then again when Kraft agreed to the loss of draft picks and MILLION $ fine.
    And he surely winced again when Affleck went on this rant.
    Sorry Tommy, Goodell undoubtedly has Marcia Clark-ed this whole thing but the stain will never go away.
    Just be glad Goodell handled Spygate as softly as he did for Pats.

  30. umainebearman wrote:
    Jun 23, 2016 12:14 PM

    Its funny how people in here stilkl think this is about the PSI of footballs. Its not. Its about where the US court system has the right to infringe on a companies punishment of one of their employees. The reason Bradys suspention was reinstated is because a US court found that a different US court does NOT have the right to dictate how the NFL punishes their players. They by law, DO NOT. Just like if you got suspended at your job, taking your boss to court about it would do you no good.

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    The point you’re missing is that the NFL and the NFLPA have collectively bargained penalties for certain infractions. For an equipment violation, such as using a game ball that is not within standards (which is how it has been historically treated), the punishment is a fine. So, the question is, does the NFL have the right to impose a punishment that is far in excess of the collectively bargained punishment? It does not. That’s why they have a CBA.

  31. Affleck was awesome last night and right on point. This is all such a bunch of BS and everyone involved with this joke, from Goodell and John Harbaugh to Mike Kensil and Troy Vincent had or has a personal agenda and an ax to grind against the Patriots. This never had anything to with deflated footballs and everything to do with enemies of the Patriots settling the score against them.

  32. Affleck was awesome last night and right on point. Everyone involved with this joke called DeflateGate had or has a personal agenda and an ax to grind against the Patriots, from Roger Goodell and John Harbaugh to Mike Kensil and Troy Vincent. This never had anything to do with deflated footballs, something the NFL never cared about and still doesn’t, and everything to do with enemies of the Patriots settling the score.

  33. Anyone with half a brain by now knows that nobody took any air out of those footballs.

    This was a made-up sham, but the NFL was and still is) too embarrassed and too committed to fess up to it.

    They simply did not know that if you cool a football down its internal pressure drops.

    Try it yourself- it does. You need a football, a gauge, a refrigerator, and at least half a brain. Most of you can do it. Colts and Ravens fans may need help.

  34. The posters who defend Brady – but claim they are not Patriots or Brady fans – please stop with the BS. Football fans of opposing teams generally do not defend the character of an opposing QB/team that frequently beats them. The benefit of the doubt goes to the NFL and its enforcement of rules against cheating. Patriot fans conveniently forget that just the week before the Colts game, the Patriots beat the Ravens with the aid of an illegal TD off an illegal formation. Brady chided a complaining John Harbaugh that [John] should ‘ read the rules’. The NFL was listening.

  35. The NFL already had McNally and Yastremski’s phones, and therefore, every text message between them and Brady. The only use the league would have had for Brady’s phone is the leverage to leak personal stuff if he decided not to “play ball”. Just look at the whole stupid pool-cover thing. Why would anyone trust them with their personal phone that they have no legal right to?

  36. depotnator says:
    Jun 23, 2016 1:22 PM
    …Patriot fans conveniently forget that just the week before the Colts game, the Patriots beat the Ravens with the aid of an illegal TD off an illegal formation. Brady chided a complaining John Harbaugh that [John] should ‘ read the rules’. The NFL was listening.
    __________
    So we’re calling that play illegal? Tell me more about how this conclusion was made.

  37. Coupla few things:

    Please, god. Let this thing be over. I don’t care who starts the season for the Pats. Just put it behind us.

    The decision, either way, has no bearing on Brady’s status as one of the greats. Just watch him play. With your eyes. Any true fan of the game with a modicum of understanding of NFL quarterback play can see that.

    The ruling won’t be a vindication of or a refutation of Brady’s actual innocence. It only has to do with the commissioner’s power as agreed upon in the CBA. History will have to decide if Goodell’s decision, based on the information in the Well’s report, was valid, well-reasoned, and fair.

    I thought Ben was sober?

    Doesn’t matter. Ben made the same points as all the diehards on this board. He’s to be commended for holding up the side.

    Ben isn’t a strong actor. But he’s a good director.

    He should’ve friggin’ cast me. Auditioned for him 3 times. 3 friggin times! Whadya mean I don’t do a good Bawstin accent? I’m from Summavile!

  38. The league lied about the PSI levels and left the lies out there for months without refuting them even though anything else that was posted here by Florio the league didn’t like he got denials within minutes usually.

    The league hid the fact the Colts balls were under PSI.

    The league used one gauge that gave lower reading for the Pats, one that gave higher readings for the Colts yet even though the Colts balls were under they stopped measuring to protect them.

    The league lied in and about the Wells report.

    The league has been caught in so many lies it is beyond pathetic.

    Goodell and his cronies are vile, and they will come for your team next if you are not the Colts, Ravens or Steelers.

  39. What, Patriot fans? Wake me up when someone that isn’t a delusional Boston stooge comes to his defense.

    #bandwagonnation
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    How about renowned scientists throughout the country, noted and respectable legal minds, including Feinburg, Stradly, Wallach, etc., non-biased sports writers who have read all the facts including Dan Wetzel, Florio, and Peter King, and the list goes on and on.

    How anyone with a brain actually thinks the balls were manually deflated at this point is pathetic. Says a lot more about you then Tom.

  40. “…Patriot fans conveniently forget that just the week before the Colts game, the Patriots beat the Ravens with the aid of an illegal TD off an illegal formation. ”

    What the one that numerous refs have said was totally legal and was very well executed ?

  41. The one thing that can definitively be taken from this rant is that Ben Affleck has at least 20 accounts on PFT.

  42. If the hearing is turned down and if the Supreme Court sides with the NFL – hold on to your hats folks since any company will be able to enforce any rule no matter how excessive or extreme (unless it breaks federal law of course).

    So imagine this:
    You’re at work. Your boss accuses you of taking breaks 1 minute longer than allotted. However, there is no evidence. No witnesses. The boss suspends you 4 weeks with no pay. However, the company’s manual states if only 1 minute over then just a warning. You quickly appeal and who’s the arbitrator? You guessed it….your boss – the accuser to begin with. If the courts side with the NFL then you won’t be able to defend yourself or take it to court.

    Now that’s relatively minor but it could go in areas you would not dare want to tread. Only bad things can come of it.

  43. Ruling will be for 4 additional games. This due for the rest of the World having to listen/read this nonstop whining.

    #sheepleofNE

  44. stealthjunk says:
    Jun 23, 2016 12:13 PM

    Wells explicitly said he didn’t need the entire phone, only any responsive communications dealing with ball deflation, communications with the Deflator and Dorito Dink, and the like. Brady and his agent could have simply said “no such communications exist” if that were true, but it’s telling that they chose not to and decided instead to destroy the phone all together. That tells you everything you need to know about what was on that phone.
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    So, Brady and his agent didn’t say “no such communications exist” because it would not have been true. Congratulations, you just made the case for Brady’s innocence.

    If Brady wouldn’t say something if it was not true, then his consistent denial of a scheme to deflate footballs must be true. Otherwise, he would not have said it!

  45. Kleenex stock is going up with the haters crying over the fact Brady will likely never serve a suspension because of the poor framing job the NFL has done.

  46. umainebearman says:

    Its funny how people in here stilkl think this is about the PSI of footballs. Its not. Its about where the US court system has the right to infringe on a companies punishment of one of their employees. The reason Bradys suspention was reinstated is because a US court found that a different US court does NOT have the right to dictate how the NFL punishes their players. They by law, DO NOT. Just like if you got suspended at your job, taking your boss to court about it would do you no good.
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    BearMan sounds like Roger Goodell – I am your omniscient ruler and you shall obey may every order. By the way, Brady works for the NE Patriots, not Goodell.

  47. Goodel vs Brady has nothing to do with – “a Employers right to punish it’s employees”

    This is about Employers VIOLATING your U.S. Constitutional Rights in the workplace because they are bigger then YOU.

    This is about a Employer using SLANDER, LIES, the MEDIA to Broadcast those LIES, FALSIFYING ‘Evidence’ and REFUSING to abide by US Consitution, Ethics, Rule of Labor Law and scoffing at Due Process.

    Only a completely IGNORANT & HATEFUL person would be siding with Goodel the LIAR.

  48. metitometin says:
    Jun 23, 2016 1:11 PM

    Affleck was awesome last night and right on point. This is all such a bunch of BS and everyone involved with this joke, from Goodell and John Harbaugh to Mike Kensil and Troy Vincent had or has a personal agenda and an ax to grind against the Patriots. This never had anything to with deflated footballs and everything to do with enemies of the Patriots settling the score against them.
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    The best part is, it had absolutely no effect on the Patriots. They promptly went out and won the Super Bowl, and were almost in it last year.

    No matter what shenanigans the NFL tries to pull, it’s just business as usual for the Patriots.

  49. Affleck was right on the money when he wondered what the motivation is to go after the GOAT for what any reasonable person knows is a obscure NFL rule never utilized previously.

    Is this really the result of jealousy by 31 NFL owners who are sick of the Pats stomping their teams? Talk about Man Up, beat them on the field if you’re tired of getting dirt kicked in your face.

  50. Brady was found guilty. The New England Patriots were punished. Kraft the top man accepted it. That should be the end of it. Goodell and the NFL have taken this to far. They got their man. They should now just let Brady get on with the twilight years of his great career. Let’s be honest he is one of the greatest to play the game and many of us are left scratching our heads wondering why he felt the need to alter the ball. It will go down as one of sports great mysteries.

  51. The reason why AR didn’t get disciplined is because it has to do with what he was doing.

    He inflates the ball to his preferred hardness and has the ref check it. If the ref signs off on it – it’s a legal ball to use. It’s up to the ref at that point to say “no” or “yes” – regardless of PSI.

    The difference between that and this is the ref checks the ball and THEN a player tampers with it. That’s the difference. I’m not saying Brady did or didn’t – I’m saying that you can do whatever you want to the ball before the ref checks and signs off on it, NOT AFTER.

  52. I think I’ve been paying attention so far…….

    Can anybody fill me in on why Andrew Luck wasn’t suspended 4 games for the Colts balls being under permitted PSI levels in the AFCG ?

  53. fishyinalittledishy says:
    Jun 23, 2016 2:24 PM

    “Brady was found guilty.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++

    #1.) FALSE

    #2.) Zero evidence for guilt and ZERO evidence for ‘More Likely than Not’

    #3.) WAKE UP

  54. fishyinalittledishy says:
    Jun 23, 2016 2:24 PM

    Brady was found guilty. The New England Patriots were punished. Kraft the top man accepted it. That should be the end of it. Goodell and the NFL have taken this to far. They got their man. They should now just let Brady get on with the twilight years of his great career. Let’s be honest he is one of the greatest to play the game and many of us are left scratching our heads wondering why he felt the need to alter the ball. It will go down as one of sports great mysteries.

    …….

    Brady wasn’t “found guilty” by anyone other than Vincent and Goodell and as time has gone on, it’s been shown that those decision makers used terrible information and were biased.. Court cases were about the CBA.

    The great mystery should be why did the NFL not release the PSI numbers from this year.

  55. stealthjunk says:
    Jun 23, 2016 12:13 PM

    Wells and the NFL never asked for Brady’s phone, so the whole “OMG HIS PRIVACY!!” argument is a red herring. Wells explicitly said he didn’t need the entire phone, only any responsive communications dealing with ball deflation, communications with the Deflator and Dorito Dink, and the like. Brady and his agent could have simply said “no such communications exist” if that were true, but it’s telling that they chose not to and decided instead to destroy the phone all together. That tells you everything you need to know about what was on that phone.
    ….

    NFL had all of Brady’s cell data and he even went ABOVE AND BEYOND and provided emails. And the NFL promptly leaked them (why do we know about what pool cover color he likes?)….so yea, privacy was a legitimate concern.

  56. jaxon51 says:
    Jun 23, 2016 1:07 PM
    Just be glad Goodell handled Spygate as softly as he did for Pats.
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    And that’s because of the thousands of tapes not found, right? Somewhere there is a legion of Sasquatches hired by the Patriots dancing in their caves watching a lifetime supply of signals. LOL

  57. Affleck’s an idiot. Any changes Eli and Rodgers made to the ball were before they gave them to the ref. Not hiding in the bathroom just as the game’s about to start. And he’s stupid to include the Broncos as one of the teams upset at losing to the Patriots. They’re 2-0 in the playoffs against them, and their regular season win this year kept the Pats out of the first seed. That said, I think 4 games is too harsh for a slight discrepancy in the air pressure.

  58. teal379 says:
    Jun 23, 2016 2:28 PM
    The difference between that and this is the ref checks the ball and THEN a player tampers with it. That’s the difference. I’m not saying Brady did or didn’t – I’m saying that you can do whatever you want to the ball before the ref checks and signs off on it, NOT AFTER.
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    Wouldn’t that assume the refs never put a ball in play that was over inflated? We already know the refs put balls in play that resulted in under inflation. In fact it’s been that way for decades.

  59. I don’t understand why everyone thinks he was drunk or on something. I didn’t see anything like that. He’s just pissed off about Brady being so mistreated. Watch it again. Simmons slurred a couple of his words too. That’s what happens when a human being is overly-excited or passionate about something. In a rush to get the words out, some of them slur together in the brain, and are delivered, as such.

    I’m not a Patriots fan, but it’s clear to any intelligent person that nothing happened, and that Brady is being railroaded by an incredibly inept NFL. Affleck was 100% right on every one of his comments.

  60. umainebearman says:
    Jun 23, 2016 12:14 PM
    Its funny how people in here stilkl think this is about the PSI of footballs. Its not. Its about where the US court system has the right to infringe on a companies punishment of one of their employees. The reason Bradys suspention was reinstated is because a US court found that a different US court does NOT have the right to dictate how the NFL punishes their players. They by law, DO NOT. Just like if you got suspended at your job, taking your boss to court about it would do you no good.
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    If I had an employment contract that spelled out disciplinary rules, I sure as hell could take my employer to court if he didn’t follow those rules.

  61. fritz96 says:
    Jun 23, 2016 2:39 PM

    Any changes Eli and Rodgers made to the ball were before they gave them to the ref. Not hiding in the bathroom just as the game’s about to start

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    and you have proof that something happened in the bathroom, or are you speculating? because I’d be willing to bet that Goodell would buy that proof from you.

  62. So why didn’t the NFL release the PSI measurements this past season? Hmmm….

    🙂

    #IKnowWhy
    #PatriotHaterWontLikeTheAnswer
    #TeeHee

  63. Pats fans, did it ever occur to you that the reason the Pats are hated is because they deserve to be?
    I mean, if everyone you know doesn’t like you or get along with you then it’s a you problem, not the rest of the world’s problem…..just saying.

  64. Simmons is much more fun to listen to on his own platform free of ESPN.

    🙂

  65. The headline of this article should be about Simmons’ new show and Affleck. Nothing was new was offered about the court decision time table.

  66. Affleck sounded thoroughly wasted …..as for the court case this has nothing to do with Brady, Goodell or air in footballs now, this is a labor law case. As such, it may very well go to the SCOTUS.

  67. Why do the Pats Brady et al get so much hate? They are huge charity contributors. You never hear bad things about any of their marriages no 911 calls nothing. Yet they get hated on and constantly accused of cheating. Yet when confronted haters can’t back up their accusation with fact. Here is why they get hated they win so much it is tiring. Well haters the Yankees won so much they were hated. Now it is our turn to have such a model organization. Get over yourselves.

  68. trailerparkking says:
    Jun 23, 2016 3:05 PM

    Pats fans, did it ever occur to you that the reason the Pats are hated is because they deserve to be?
    I mean, if everyone you know doesn’t like you or get along with you then it’s a you problem, not the rest of the world’s problem…..just saying
    —–

    I for one have no problem that a lot of people hate the Pats. I’m sure they hate Pats fans even more. Which is probably what the real problem is.

    However when a person experiences the emotion of hate…..they really need to look within themselves. The Patriots (and their fans) are the stimulants of something internal that results in that emotion.

    There’s a lot more to your hate than the Pats or Pats fans…..maybe it’s time people man up and admit it and free their consciences.

  69. 3wordanswers says:
    Jun 23, 2016 2:29 PM

    I think I’ve been paying attention so far…….

    Can anybody fill me in on why Andrew Luck wasn’t suspended 4 games for the Colts balls being under permitted PSI levels in the AFCG ?
    ——-

    while we’re at it, what ever happened about Ribgate?

  70. 3wordanswers says:
    Jun 23, 2016 2:29 PM

    I think I’ve been paying attention so far…….

    Can anybody fill me in on why Andrew Luck wasn’t suspended 4 games for the Colts balls being under permitted PSI levels in the AFCG ?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’ve been asking that same question for 16 months!
    Even the haters can’t answer it.

  71. Why do the Pats Brady et al get so much hate?


    Because wussies usually do hate the bully in life. 🙂 It ain’t rocket science!

  72. 345snarkavenue says:
    Jun 23, 2016 3:36 PM
    I for one have no problem that a lot of people hate the Pats. I’m sure they hate Pats fans even more. Which is probably what the real problem is.
    ————————-

    “The hater is more disturbed than the hatred”

  73. boytrin says:
    Jun 23, 2016 12:44 PM
    Can a none pats fan please explain why Aaron Rodgers can admit to using over inflated balls way before this so called deflate gate started and he wasn’t punished and why 3 of 4 colts balls was under and why Godell never released the psi levels from this year
    ———————
    Regarding the Colts balls-there were two measuring devices. If they rate as ok on one of them it’s deemed as “acceptable” that is what happened regarding the three colts balls.One said they were under,one was acceptable.
    Rodgers, that’s a completely different situation. Deflategate isn’t about Rodgers. As to why they haven’t released the psi levels….they never said they WERE going to release them…it’s not like it’s a big “acrually, we’re going back on that” People assumed they would release them.

  74. This fanbase is easily the worst the world of sports has ever experienced. When the winning stops, we will be free of them, for they shall disappear very, very quickly.

  75. I looked deep inside my heart and found that I don’t like people who lie, people who cheat, or people who don’t man up (dumping your pregnant women for a super model and hiding behind lawyers instead of speaking for yours). I see nothing wrong with being disgusted with these behaviors. I think you all need to look inside yourselves. Accepting and defending unethical behavior such as cheating, lying, and not being accountable is troubling. I wish you all well and to have the strength to conquer your demons.

  76. danm1978 says:
    Jun 23, 2016 4:03 PM
    As to why they haven’t released the psi levels….they never said they WERE going to release them…it’s not like it’s a big “acrually, we’re going back on that” People assumed they would release them.
    ——————————-

    Does ANYONE doubt for an instant if the data supported the league’s narrative it wouldn’t at the very least have been ‘leaked’ to one of the league’s pet stooges?

  77. dandeman19 says:
    Jun 23, 2016 3:34 PM
    Why do the Pats Brady et al get so much hate?

    ___________________

    Because they are cheaters.

  78. “I looked deep inside my heart and found that I don’t like people who lie”
    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Then you must really hate Goodel for his LIES and SLANDER that created Deflate-Gate.

    Nothing more dishonorable and loathsome then using authority & money to unjustly defame and persecute an innocent man simply because you are jealous/envious of his success.

    Bridget Moynahan is VERY WEALTHY, was not dumped by Brady and she is currently happily married.

  79. NFL fans when Roger Goodell goes after the Patriots: “Great job, Roger! Stand up for what’s right! Integrity of the game!

    NFL fans when Roger Goodell does or says literally anything else: “Worst commissioner in the history of sports! Zero integrity! Owners should fire him at once!”

  80. trailerparkking says:
    Jun 23, 2016 4:31 PM
    I looked deep inside my heart and found that I don’t like people who lie, people who cheat, or people who don’t man up (dumping your pregnant women for a super model and hiding behind lawyers instead of speaking for yours).
    ———————–

    How is that self loathing working out then? As has been pointed out to you before and confirmed by Bridget Moynihan’s publicist, even she did not know she was pregnant when they split. Once again, just look at the timeline. Her publicist confirmed on December 10, 2006 they had split amicably “a couple of weeks ago.” Their son was born on August 22, 2007. The human gestation period is 9 months. But then you knew all that.
    There is not one proven lie by Brady in any of the documentation. Goodell, however, lied about Brady’s testimony in his arbitration finding. Unfortunately for the crooked king a federal judge unsealed the transcript, exposing the lies. When the Wells report was debunked, Roger simply moved the goal posts. So about that manning up thing, you are on the wrong side of the argument.

  81. @ daytontriangles says: Jun 23, 2016 4:52 PM

    NFL fans when Roger Goodell goes after the Patriots: “Great job, Roger! Stand up for what’s right! Integrity of the game!

    NFL fans when Roger Goodell does or says literally anything else: “Worst commissioner in the history of sports! Zero integrity! Owners should fire him at once!”
    _______________________________

    Even a dimwit like Goodell can tell cheating is occurring in N.E., with Belicheat & Brady around. Noone said they like Goodell, just appreciate that he finally did 1 thing right.

  82. Affleck in the interview is a perfect representation of patriot fans. They only hear what they want to hear and ignore everything else.

  83. The NFL, BSPN, Ted Wells, Ravens, and Colts have been thoroughly exposed as liars, frauds, and buffoons during this entire concocted farce. There is nary a soul who believes the crap spewing from Park Ave.

    The Colts’ balls were also illegally low! Either both teams cheated, or neither team did. Yet, the team with a long, sordid history of piping in phony crowd noise, tanking entire seasons (twice) in order to get a transcendent QB, and admitted ball tampering gets a free pass.

    At the same time, the team with only a simple 10 minute, camera angle violation gets crucified!

  84. Even a dimwit like Goodell can tell cheating is occurring in N.E., with Belicheat & Brady around. Noone said they like Goodell, just appreciate that he finally did 1 thing right.
    ————————————————

    Yeah, if you call spending $10 million dollars for an investigation that exposed the NFL as liars, denying 100+ Years of PROVEN Science, ridicule by the the world’s foremost labor lawyers, scientists and educators as “doing one thing right….

    Make sure to tune in to see the Patriots and TB12 execute another deep playoff run this season!

    Patriot Fans Win Again, again….and again!

    20+ Years of NFL DOMINANCE!

  85. danm1978 says:
    Jun 23, 2016 4:03 PM
    As to why they haven’t released the psi levels….they never said they WERE going to release them…it’s not like it’s a big “acrually, we’re going back on that” People assumed they would release them.
    ==================
    Outside of never promising to release them can you honestly think of a legitimate reason they shouldn’t have? We’re talking about unprecedented punishment of a team and player. For that matter, since the balls were swapped out at halftime last year in Min why wasn’t the same done in NE at the AFCCG?

  86. dumbaseinstien says:
    Jun 23, 2016 5:50 PM
    Even a dimwit like Goodell can tell cheating is occurring in N.E., with Belicheat & Brady around. Noone said they like Goodell, just appreciate that he finally did 1 thing right.
    =================
    And they have the manufactured science to prove it.

  87. As to why they haven’t released the psi levels….they never said they WERE going to release them…it’s not like it’s a big “acrually, we’re going back on that” People assumed they would release them

    Of course they never said they would….because they would be covered when – as it turned out – the numbers did not suit their narrative.

    Anyone with a brain knows what the league would have done if the numbers did suit their narrative.

    It ain’t rocket science.

    🙂

  88. Affleck in the interview is a perfect representation of patriot fans. They only hear what they want to hear and ignore everything else.

    ___________________

    It’s called the truth.

  89. Shady is pretty free with the money being spent as long as it’s not his.

  90. Everyone that is intelligent has already realized that Tom Brady and The Patriots never tampered with any PSI in footballs. This is what science demonstrates. You should know that at least 21 scientists representing universities from all over the country have officially and publically informed the court and the media that the weather conditions in Foxboro MA on January 18, 2015 when The Patriots played The Colts where the field temperature was 49 degrees and it was raining, explains that Tom Brady did not tamper with any footballs. This is further evidenced by the fact that footballs being used by The Colts also were measured with PSI readings below the mandatory 12.5 PSI.

  91. I wish you all well and to have the strength to conquer your demons.
    —————-
    And while continuing to laugh at your degree of angst of this most-trivial of nonsense, I wish for you to get a life.

  92. Science did prove the plays were below the legal limit. Even after taking the IGL into consideration. Science has explained that. What science doesn’t explain are the actions of JM and JJ before, during and after the game. Science doesn’t explain the failure to cooperate by the Pats or by Tom Brady. Science does not explain while the three main people in this case, JJ, JM and Brady have zero credibility in this case. And science doesn’t explain any of the texts.

  93. Who doesn’t hate the NFL commissioner, besides Jets fans who work in the league’s offices?
    Gary Bettman was so thoroughly booed during the Stanley Cup presentation, PFT tweeted Roger Goodell must be there.

  94. How come articles about the Patriots stay on this site for months and everything else disappears after a couple of days?

  95. dubzito says:
    Jun 23, 2016 12:11 PM
    “He’s saying what we’re all thinking.”
    —-
    What, Patriot fans? Wake me up when someone that isn’t a delusional Boston stooge comes to his defense.
    ———————————————————-

    Consider yourself awakened.

    I’m no Patriots slappy and I think the NFL – and Roger Goodell in particular – are so far out of line, it’s laughable. Their handling of this mess has been and will remain a complete farce.

  96. trailerparkking says:
    Jun 23, 2016 4:31 PM

    I looked deep inside my heart and found that I don’t like people who lie, people who cheat, or people who don’t man up (dumping your pregnant women for a super model and hiding behind lawyers instead of speaking for yours).
    ________________________________________

    Great, so you are an admitted hypocrite. (You’re working the same side of the street as a few other willfully ignorant dupes out there.)

    You believe the people exposed multiple times as liars and cheats in this process, but don’t believe the only person to testify under oath and not PROVEN to be a liar. Accused, but not proven.You also choose the exposed liars over 100+ Years of Proven Science.

    You have 0.0 credibility and therefore you’ve been dismissed.

    Run along now…

  97. trailerparkking says:
    Jun 23, 2016 4:31 PM

    I looked deep inside my heart and found that I don’t like people who lie, people who cheat, or people who don’t man up (dumping your pregnant women for a super model and hiding behind lawyers instead of speaking for yours).
    ________________________________________

    Great, so you are an admitted hypocrite. (You’re working the same side of the street as a few other willfully ignorant dupes out there.)

    You believe the people exposed multiple times as liars and cheats in this process, but don’t believe the only person to testify under oath and not PROVEN to be a liar. Accused, but not proven.You also choose the exposed liars over 100+ Years of Proven Science.

    You have 0.0 credibility and therefore you’ve been dismissed.

    Run along now…

  98. Limakey is back and as usual has zero facts just statements that are not true. OK here we go Wells said the Pats were cooperative. They stopped being cooperative when Wells reneged on an agreement. He said he’d send the Pats a list of questions he was intending to ask McNally. The Pats asked for this via email so there is an electronic trail.

    The texts in question were in May well before the game in question. They were referring to a joke the guys played on Brady of over inflating his balls. They knew he’d be pissed and he was.
    McNally was interviewed by the NFL three times and went to NY twice to Foxboro once. Wells said he’d goto Foxboro to talk to McNally for a second time . NH where McNally lives to Foxboro is about an hour and a half drive each way

  99. The only relevant fact that anyone needs to know is that the NFL “tested” the air pressure in 16 footballs and both team had balls below the legal limit but only one team was punished.

    Integrity, not available at NFL HQ.

  100. drednot says:
    Jun 24, 2016 6:35 AM
    How come articles about the Patriots stay on this site for months and everything else disappears after a couple of days?

    Sort of like the NFL playoffs, nyet?

  101. limakey says:
    Jun 23, 2016 9:09 PM
    Science did prove the plays were below the legal limit. Even after taking the IGL into consideration. Science has explained that. What science doesn’t explain are the actions of JM and JJ before, during and after the game. Science doesn’t explain the failure to cooperate by the Pats or by Tom Brady. Science does not explain while the three main people in this case, JJ, JM and Brady have zero credibility in this case. And science doesn’t explain any of the texts.

    Explain 3 out of 4 Colts ball under spec and no penalty.

  102. williamshatnerstoupee says:
    Jun 23, 2016 4:20 PM
    This fanbase is easily the worst the world of sports has ever experienced. When the winning stops, we will be free of them, for they shall disappear very, very quickly.

    If that were true we wouldn’t be hearing so much from Buffalo fans, Jets fans etc etc etc.

  103. The Colts checked the Pats balls THEN turned them over to the officials. It is illegal to have that equipment on the sidelines. ONLY the officials are allowed to have that equipment on the sidelines during the game.

  104. bostonpatriots1stfan says:
    Jun 23, 2016 3:48 PM

    3wordanswers says:
    Jun 23, 2016 2:29 PM

    I think I’ve been paying attention so far…….

    Can anybody fill me in on why Andrew Luck wasn’t suspended 4 games for the Colts balls being under permitted PSI levels in the AFCG ?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’ve been asking that same question for 16 months!
    Even the haters can’t answer it!
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    I’m still waiting for the haters to give me a plausible explanation as to why the NFL didn’t go after the Colts or Andrew Luck !

  105. limakey says:
    Jun 23, 2016 9:09 PM
    Science did prove the plays were below the legal limit. Even after taking the IGL into consideration. Science has explained that. What science doesn’t explain are the actions of JM and JJ before, during and after the game. Science doesn’t explain the failure to cooperate by the Pats or by Tom Brady. Science does not explain while the three main people in this case, JJ, JM and Brady have zero credibility in this case. And science doesn’t explain any of the texts.

    …..

    What “plays” are you talking about? Science proved the footballs were likely naturally deflated. There is no way to 100% tell because of the very unscientific methods used to measure the footballs in the first place. The only scientific outlet to dispute that was Exponent, the outlet that the NFL paid. And Brady and the Pats fully cooperated to the extent the CBA and NFL owner handbook required. And you can’t bring up “credibility” while ignoring the NFL’s numerous lies and false leaks. And which text exactly proves the footballs were tampered with after ref inspection? Right, there were none, if there were, Wells would have mentioned them.

  106. limakey says:
    Jun 23, 2016 9:09 PM
    Science did prove the plays were below the legal limit. Even after taking the IGL into consideration. Science has explained that. What science doesn’t explain are the actions of JM and JJ before, during and after the game. Science doesn’t explain the failure to cooperate by the Pats or by Tom Brady. Science does not explain while the three main people in this case, JJ, JM and Brady have zero credibility in this case. And science doesn’t explain any of the texts.
    ==============
    Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Again, the ONLY way science explains this is by making false assumptions. About what gauge Anderson claims he didn’t use. About the room temperatures. And many many more. There is very little doubt at this point the science from the NFL was entirely manufactured to try and support the supposed boat load of “circumstantial” evidence. Fortunately for every sane person on the planet the supposed scientific evidence has been debunked (many times over). It’s entirely futile to even try to argue the science supported unnatural ball deflation. It’s simply not true. For somebody who admittedly has not followed the science of this case it seems kind of silly to be arguing otherwise.

  107. dumbaseinstien says:
    Jun 23, 2016 5:50 PM

    Even a dimwit like Goodell can tell cheating is occurring in N.E
    +++++++++++++++++++++

    So, it’s just a bunch of dimwits, like Goodell, that believe the Patriots are cheaters.

    Thanks for clearing that up for us smart people.

  108. I’m still waiting for the haters to give me a plausible explanation as to why the NFL didn’t go after the Colts or Andrew Luck !
    ==================================
    because he has a flip phone and never called anyone a deflator. quit sounding like a 12 year old.

  109. danm1978 says:
    Jun 23, 2016 4:03 PM

    As to why they haven’t released the psi levels….they never said they WERE going to release them…it’s not like it’s a big “acrually, we’re going back on that” People assumed they would release them.
    —————————-

    If the NFL actually took any measurements, it was a certainty that they would never release that information. Not that it mattered, because everyone that isn’t stupid knows that temperature has an effect on the pressure of objects filled with air.

    If the NFL league office had any integrity, and were really interested in the truth, they would have released the findings of any measurements they took, if they actually took any.

  110. A the Colts checked the football in question then handed it over to Walt Anderson that is illegal the teams cannot ckec the othe teams balls
    B the league used 2 gauges and one of them was short on 3 out 4 Colts balls that were checked
    care to explain that?
    C McNally called himself the “deflator” Brady never called him that
    And you accuse someone else of being a 12yro? Really?

  111. umainebearman says:
    Jun 23, 2016 12:14 PM
    Its funny how people in here stilkl think this is about the PSI of footballs. Its not. Its about where the US court system has the right to infringe on a companies punishment of one of their employees. The reason Bradys suspention was reinstated is because a US court found that a different US court does NOT have the right to dictate how the NFL punishes their players. They by law, DO NOT. Just like if you got suspended at your job, taking your boss to court about it would do you no good.
    ________________________________________
    No, the question is whether or not there is a principle of fairness that needs to be considered even though the NFLPA gave Roger the sole authority to levy any punishment against the players or was the authority unfettered. That’s why it COULD head to the Supreme Court. So if you are a member of a UNION, be very concerned.

  112. dexterismyhero says:
    Jun 24, 2016 1:05 PM
    because he has a flip phone and never called anyone a deflator. quit sounding like a 12 year old.
    ==================================
    And yet neither did Brady.

  113. Fireroger, the NFL’s findings have never been debunked. The AEI Report was suppose to be Brady’s savior, he used it in his appeals hearing. And they did no expermintation. All these opinions mean nothing without doing experiments. This case isn’t just about the science, it never has been. The evidence supporting the NFL findings is compelling. This is all about the punishment. Don’t you think there is areason why Tom Brady or the Patriots never hired their own team of experts to do experiments to fight this? Don’t you think that was a logical course of action? Also, Brady failure to cooperate was elevated to obstruction when he destroyed his cell phone. He has given four different reasons oon why he did it or had it done. He has no credibility. He flat out lied to the comissioner on several key issues. He has no credibility.

  114. You have the audacity to compare credibility? While it is no longer about deflated footballs It is how this started.
    Colts broke the rules twice once when checking the football before handing it over to the official. Then when 3 out of 4 of their balls were short.
    Then there is that erroneous report that stood for about 6 months before anyone did anything about it causing an appearance of prejudice against the Pats
    Then there is Goodell claiming on Mike and Mike that the NFL never had the Pats euip guys dismissed. Then why did the Pats have to have the NFL reinstate them?
    Wells a Goodell guy reneged on his agreement to give the Pats a list of questions he’d planned to ask McNally
    Kensil another Goodell guy would not issue a statement to the press when the Pats asked him to correct that report.
    Wells also said he did not need the phone just what was on it which he got. It was Goodell that demanded the phone. Yet when Goodell was asked for his by the FBI (Ray Rice) he said no and nothing was done to him. I could be here all day easily and effortlessly destroying the NFL’s credibility. So be careful when you cast stones that the house you speak out of isn’t made of glass

  115. The NFL ‘s findings have most certainly been debunked, MIT professor John Leonard ,an Eagles fan ,has been outspoken regarding it. ” I am convinced that no deflation occurred and that the Patriots are innocent. It never happened”. He is not the only one, scientists @ Carnegie Mellon, Boston College , the University of Chicago, the University of Illinois, Bowdoin College and others have all come to the same conclusion. There was no tampering.
    Don’t forget the 21 scientists who filed a brief with the court. ” This is not tampering . It is science”.
    The phone was not required by Well ” keep it” he said. Wells also said Tom cooperated ” fully”.
    The bigger question is why posters believe the lies the NFL has told, starting with the erroneous PSI levels.

  116. Well, if I was doing that interview, I would have made Ben look like a choir’s saint. Never have I have seen such nonsense (deflategate). Like it was done on purpose like a reality show to jack up ratings. Although, I couldn’t find Brady guilty, as he never had full control of the balls throughout the proceedings and the pressure variance could easily be due to the Ideal Gas Law, even if I was in a pissy mood, all I could do is fine him, according to the CBA. But Dimwit was in a sour mood, and felt the CBA was there as guidelines, not law, so he threw the book at him. This is no longer a sports show, but Faulty Towers. Ratings are everything and the only thing.

  117. Pat had broken rules before.

    Then, one day, they accused Pat of breaking a rule, but had a really difficult time proving it.

    Pat is still a rule-breaker.
    __________________________

    Pricelss!!!!!! CHEATERS!!!!!!
    #THEPATRIOTWAY

  118. Brady was found guilty. The New England Patriots were punished. Kraft the top man accepted it. That should be the end of it. Goodell and the NFL have taken this to far. They got their man. They should now just let Brady get on with the twilight years of his great career. Let’s be honest he is one of the greatest to play the game and many of us are left scratching our heads wondering why he felt the need to alter the ball. It will go down as one of sports great mysteries.
    _______________________________

    Let me solve the mystery for you.

    HE”S A CHEATER!!!!!!!!!

  119. It is simple and comes down to this…

    INDIVIDUALS WITH IQ’S PLACING THEM ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BELL CURVE — continue to believe that the NFL and its employees are experts not only in running a professional football league but are simultaneously experts in science and physics. Even though the NFL admitted to never hearing of the Ideal Gas Law while denying that temperature affect the PSI in footballs. These individuals will watch a sealed bag of food inflate in the microwave and they will always conclude that someone is in the microwave pumping air into the bag. Their simple minds can only understand inflation in terms of someone pumping air into a balloon. They can also only understand deflation in terms of someone removing air from a balloon. These individuals ignore science and deny that temperature can affect the pressure of gas in a sealed container because the NFL told them to. These individuals also ignore “the 56 Lies the NFL Told about Deflategate” while continuing to believe that Tom Brady and the Patriots tampered with the PSI in footballs.

    INDIVIDUALS WITH IQ’S PLACING THEM ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BELL CURVE — believe that 21 science and engineering professors from 21 universities from all over the country are experts in science and physics. These individuals have heard of the Ideal Gas Law and Amonton’s law and can recognize that temperature affects the pressure of a gas in sealed containers, such as a car tire or a football. These individuals can watch a sealed bag of food inflate when heated in the microwave and understand that the gas that was already in the bag is expanding while no new air is being added. They would also understand that once the air cools the bag will deflate.

    These individuals didn’t forget that the footballs belonging to The Colts also had measurements under the mandatory 12.5 PSI. These individuals were also smart enough to recognize that the Colts PSI results would have been even more dramatic if the NFL had not cherry picked 4 of the 12 Colts footballs to measure after allowing them to warm up indoors while measuring all 12 of The Patriots footballs twice.

    These individuals understand that the NFL would make the PSI information collected during the 2015/2016 public rather than keeping it secret if it helped make their case against Tom Brady and The Patriots. This is because Intelligent people that can understand 9th grade science already know that the data shows that The Patriots never tampered with any footballs. Which is why the NFL is keeping it secret. You shouldn’t have to be a genius to figure out that if the NFL had information that would help them win in court that they wouldn’t keep it secret.

    These individuals noticed that Tom Brady was the only person to testify under oath during Deflategate. They also know that Tom Brady did this voluntarily. These individual continue to believe that Tom Brady and The Patriots never tampered with any PSI in footballs. These intelligent persons represent fans of all 32 teams.

  120. limakey says:
    Jun 24, 2016 3:15 PM
    Fireroger, the NFL’s findings have never been debunked. The AEI Report was suppose to be Brady’s savior, he used it in his appeals hearing. And they did no expermintation. All these opinions mean nothing without doing experiments. This case isn’t just about the science, it never has been. The evidence supporting the NFL findings is compelling. This is all about the punishment. Don’t you think there is areason why Tom Brady or the Patriots never hired their own team of experts to do experiments to fight this? Don’t you think that was a logical course of action? Also, Brady failure to cooperate was elevated to obstruction when he destroyed his cell phone. He has given four different reasons oon why he did it or had it done. He has no credibility. He flat out lied to the comissioner on several key issues. He has no credibility.
    ==================
    The AEI report correctly pointed out the errors in the Exponent statistical data. The majority of the academic world has disproved it further both with experiments and more statistical analysis (which coincidentally backed up AEI further). I suppose Brady could have hired the 4th grader that proved Exponent wrong. That certainly could have been the cheapest course of action. Of course the dozens of professors have done it for free as well so I’m not entirely sure there’s a need.

    I don’t agree with you on Brady lying and we aren’t ever going to cross that bridge. I’ve stated on multiple occasions now that you are conflating issues and misinterpreting facts based on that. The fact you are still clinging to the NFL science shows me it’s a waste of time to try to even try to cross that bridge again.

    Brady cooperating or lying or parting his hair sideways has very little to do with the flawed science the NFL tried to manufacture. The bottom line is if you are against Brady on this you can’t rely on the science to support that position. That doesn’t mean you can’t try. Just develop the thick skin you’re going to need from the pending laughter.

  121. For the love of God when will this ever end…..
    As I’ve said many times….when does the investigation into the Colts run defense start? During this infamous blowout they made Blount look like Jim Brown

  122. Fireroger, if you read the comissioner’s final ruling, you will see that you are wrong. The points the AEI report were taken into consideration. And they did no experiments to back up their findings. In the end, the AEI expert had to agree with the NFL findings. Brady did lies on several key issues that has been supported by the testimony of others as well as other evidence. It is clear he knew the process, he knew how and who took the balls to the field. As I have always said, the science will never clear him. The science clearly implicates him. If science was the only issue, if there were no lies by JM, JJ and TB, no texts and no odd communications between them all and had Brady no destroyed his cell phone.

  123. Just a reminder:

    The offishul nfl reeeport on ‘the strange case of the deflated balls’ was 243 pages long.

    According to writer Joe Posnanski, that makes it longer than the equally offishul nfl reeeport on the inconsequential matter of former nfl players having serious concussion issues.

    By more than 200 pages

    Just a reminder

  124. limakey says:
    Jun 25, 2016 8:24 AM
    Fireroger, if you read the comissioner’s final ruling, you will see that you are wrong. The points the AEI report were taken into consideration. And they did no experiments to back up their findings. In the end, the AEI expert had to agree with the NFL findings. Brady did lies on several key issues that has been supported by the testimony of others as well as other evidence. It is clear he knew the process, he knew how and who took the balls to the field. As I have always said, the science will never clear him. The science clearly implicates him. If science was the only issue, if there were no lies by JM, JJ and TB, no texts and no odd communications between them all and had Brady no destroyed his cell phone.
    ==========================
    You most certainly can claim the AEI findings were considered but the rest of the world knows better. The fact there is such an outrage from the academic community world wide speaks to the “consideration” of the AEI findings. Anybody who thinks Goodell is even remotely capable of understanding how the p-value among other things were manipulated is literally kidding themselves. And no, the science absolutely does not implicate Brady. At least not without fabricating it to a point where it somewhat supports all the supposed lies you keep complaining about. It’s not even debatable at this point. Who was it that supplied Exponent with those locker room temps again? LOL

    Again, 5 mins worth of effort with the 3 numbers already in their possession and the logs would have proven if Brady talked to anybody with direct involvement with the balls. And no, it’s really not more effort than that. The withholding of the phone myth is well … just that. You keep holding onto the logs can still hide stuff angle though.

  125. Yet no one is able to explain that A one of the gauges used in the testing of the Colts balls had 3 out of 4 of their balls short on air B the Colts gauged the Pats game ball then handed it over to Walt Anderson. That is illegal

  126. It all comes down to the Sasquatches the Patriots keep hiring. They keep breaking the rules and then disappearing. Leaving the NFL to wonder how it keeps happening. LOL

  127. dirtdawg54 says:
    Jun 23, 2016 11:58 AM
    Drunk? Doubt it. Dim witted? No doubt about it.

    —–

    An Oscar for writing and another for best picture for a movie he directed. I guess dim witted guys could do that right?

  128. Roger Goodell refused to give up his cellphone to FBI Director Mueller during the Ray Rice Investigation.

    Are most fans so obtuse they don’t realize that Goodell is a hypocrite and openly corrupt?

    When Ritchie Incognito gave up HIS cellphone Goodell published every word of every private text he felt could embarrass him

    Brady would have been CRAZY to let Goodell pick over his phone (in violation of CBA rules) and allowed him to destroy his property and seek to further slander him.

    Let’s hear ALL fans DEMAND Goodell’s cellphone so we can find out how far Goodell’s corruption goes!

  129. Goodell seems to have a fetish for Quaterback’s phones. He demanded Farves and only fined him. He not Wells demanded Brady’s and he was suspended. What Farve did was illegal. What Brady is ALLEGED to have done is only against the rules of a game. Talk about a severe lack of prioritization skills.

  130. limakey says:
    Jun 25, 2016 8:24 AM
    Fireroger, if you read the comissioner’s final ruling, you will see that you are wrong. The points the AEI report were taken into consideration. And they did no experiments to back up their findings. In the end, the AEI expert had to agree with the NFL findings
    _________________________

    Snyder most assuredly did not agree with Exponents findings. In fact he mocked them. You can say whatever you will but you never back it up with anything more than vague references without any actual quotes. Here is Snyder’s quote from the appeals transcript:

    Q. It says, “It is unlikely to have occurred by chance and further study is warranted.” And timing was studied, right?

    A. And why not include timing in the original model? They have a list of variables that they include in their original model, but they excluded timing. Isn’t that the key thing here?

    Why go to a side analysis and say timing is sufficient to explain everything? Put it in your original model. Come on. And, yes, I’m a member of the Econometrics Society in the past. Any graduate student in statistics or econometrics would know this is wrong. This is a restriction. This is saying timing is unimportant despite reading the Exponent report. It’s timing all over the place.

  131. The part I don’t get is that in arbitration, there should be an expectation of fairness, if not neutrality. They NFL not only admitted they aren’t neutral, they admitted they weren’t even fair. And said that it didn’t matter. What is the point of arbitration if the arbitrator is going to rule against you no matter what? Stupid for the NFLPA to give up this point. My team is already hurt by it, but wait until some OTHER team gets screwed over and see who is howling then.

  132. The direct evidence of the Laws of Physics and the NFL’s own data have already proven Brady’s innocence.

    If this were a murder trial that would be like Goodell sentencing Brady to Death Row despite the appearance in court of a live, walking, breathing “victim”

    I don’t care how much circumstantial evidence jealous Hatriots think they have – no amount of circumstantial evidence could ever trump the Direct Evidence that proves the footballs were never deflated

    The sad thing about all of this is that our American education system is so dreadful, most of the Hatriots posting here don’t even know what I’m talking about

  133. Never mind precedence 2012 Chargers ball guy caught with sticky substance on towels and trying to hide them. No investigating Rivers no Wells report only a fine
    Farve have forgotten the year sending his lil packer via text. Was not cooperativewhen asked for his phone was only fined
    Goodell has never that I have seen said that Brady is being punished for both. It has only been one then the other mainly the latter.

  134. jag1959 says:
    Jun 26, 2016 1:10 PM
    limakey says:
    Jun 25, 2016 8:24 AM
    Why go to a side analysis and say timing is sufficient to explain everything? Put it in your original model. Come on. And, yes, I’m a member of the Econometrics Society in the past. Any graduate student in statistics or econometrics would know this is wrong. This is a restriction. This is saying timing is unimportant despite reading the Exponent report. It’s timing all over the place.
    ===========================
    Exactly. It’s intentionally deceptive. Specifically to contort scientific analysis to a particular narrative. There’s no other way to explain it. It’s disingenuous to suggest otherwise at this point.

  135. When will Patriot Hater be honest for once and admit the puny little weaklings that they call their team really have no business being on the field with the 4 time World Champion Patriots, winners of more Super Bowls in the last 25 years than any NFL team, winners of more games this century than any NFL team, home of the greatest QB of all time, the greatest coach of all time, the greatest fanbase in sports, the paragon of excellence in the modern NFL and if I’m being completely honest, the paragon of excellence in any sport at any time in history. 🙂

    #AdmittanceIsTheFirstStep
    #HonestyIsTheBestPolicy
    #JustAdmitIt
    #OwnIt
    #WearIt
    #TheTruthShallSetYouFree
    #TeeHee

  136. Deflategate Summary:

    1. Start with millions of biased fans of 31 teams that have watched Tom Brady and The Patriots become more successful than their favorite teams since the year 2000 when Tom Brady was drafted.

    2. Count on a significant percentage of those fans to be ignorant enough to permanently believe that a single incident from a single game played almost 10 years ago, where a memo indicated that a camera needed to be moved to a different location within the stadium, represents a “pattern of cheating”.

    3. Further dupe most of those permanently gullible biased fans with an orchestrated media spin campaign that puts a false story which contradicts proven science in every media outlet in the country for 6 months before the 2 PSI information is corrected.

    4. Add red herring #1 – which will persuade many otherwise intelligent people to ignore science while being distracted by a single out of context off season text where “deflator” was mentioned once. Know that science won’t matter to them because they will find a way to imagine a conspiracy based on a single word.

    5. Add red herring #2 – while the gullible are still swallowing red herring #1, feed them even more nonsense by proclaiming “Brady destroyed his phone”. Count on only a few intelligent people to recognize the obvious and subsequently ask, “How did you obtain the “deflator” text?” Bank on the fact that only the smartest will figure out that Tom Brady can afford to replace his personal phone, and there was no unknown information on the phone, and all that remained was personal information that would have been leaked. Know that science won’t matter because many can be distracted by the sensational use of the word “destroyed” and they will envision someone taking a club to a telephone. Achieve the goal because few will figure out that there was no evidence left to obtain from the phone, so there was no unknown information to “destroy”. Know that many will assume that the phone was a mysterious smoking gun and will once again deny science.

    6. Count on fewer to recognize that individual privacy is important in America and to understand that the NFL had no right to examine a personal telephone. Realize that only intelligent people can notice details, so few biased people will notice that the NFL already had telephone logs that Tom Brady provided. Know that the NFL already had the 2 team owned phones that any texts could have been sent to or from. Hope that many won’t realize that you don’t need both phones to obtain messages that were sent between 2 telephones.

    7. Sprinkle in “56 lies the NFL told during deflategate” to reinforce the smear campaign. Continue to deny science.

    8. Manipulate the system by picking a court in NY that you think will help you railroad Tom Brady. Lose because federal judge Richard M. Berman is competent. Double down on stupid and appeal the loss. Get two lazy judges that were apparently influenced by media headlines to rule in your favor. Cringe after Chief Judge Robert A. Katzmann actually understands the facts and issues a dissenting opinion that slams your case.Triple down on stupid and reinstate the suspension. Publically gloat on the eve of the 2016 draft because you actually won 2 to 1.

    9. Allow the Patriots to be cheated out of their 1st round pick in the 2016 draft and schedule them to be cheated out of a 4th round pick in 2017. Continue to try to make Tom Brady miss 25% of the season to help make some other teams feel more confident. Count on low information headline readers to continue to deny science and also believe that Tom Brady is hated while his jersey continues to be the top selling jersey of all the players in the NFL.

    10. Sit back and watch as too many biased gullible fans of the other 31 teams spew ridiculous hate against one of the most successful athletes of all time, who has been a model football player that has not been in any actual trouble with 16 years in the league. Understand that it’s easier to lie to people than to later convince them that they were lied to so the gullible masses will continue to deny science and believe lies.

    11. Make sure that no information is ever both collected and released to the public which contains independent (before & after) PSI measurements from games played outdoors while it was very cold and raining, during any season. Try not to allow science to expose the lies.

    12. Know that 31 team owners will publically support the farce either because they are afraid to challenge the commissioner or because they want a better team to have to play with several competitive disadvantages. Count on the support of 31 owners even if it is only by their silence.

  137. limakey says:
    Jun 28, 2016 8:27 AM
    The only thing deflating sun is his passing rating – Jim McNally
    ===============
    Weiss to Exponent. “Here are some numbers. Make it work.”

  138. When was this said sorry limakey your credibility is very questionable. This is due to the fact that your case is as easy to poke holes in as the NFL and that is effortless

  139. Dan, The case is closed. Brady is a proven liar and cheater. His suspension has been reinstated. He is forever, justifiably so linked to deflategate. He has no credibility. He gave four different answers on why his cell phone was destroyed. Not one judge has cleared him. Not one judge says he was innocent. I seriously doubt he will get a re-hearing. And if he wants to further humilate himself and his loyal fans, he will file with the SCOFUS. Which will be sweet when they refuse to hear it. Its all about the texts, the lies and the destruction of his cell phone.

  140. So how easily it is to expose all of the NFL’s lies means nothing? Maybe Brady has lied so has the NFL and it is effortless to expose how much bad faith has been exercised by them. Sheep like you refuse to see both sides. When one does they see how inconsistent and untruthful the NFL has been

  141. All the NFL has done and said seems to have been designed to work against the interest of the Pats and not in the interest of an even playing field. Here is an example. When the NFL knew that the initial report was false and were asked by the Pats to correct it in the media why didn;t they? In fact Mike Kensil straight up said no.

  142. limakey says:
    Jun 28, 2016 1:27 PM
    Dan, The case is closed. Brady is a proven liar and cheater. His suspension has been reinstated. He is forever, justifiably so linked to deflategate. He has no credibility. He gave four different answers on why his cell phone was destroyed. Not one judge has cleared him. Not one judge says he was innocent. I seriously doubt he will get a re-hearing. And if he wants to further humilate himself and his loyal fans, he will file with the SCOFUS. Which will be sweet when they refuse to hear it. Its all about the texts, the lies and the destruction of his cell phone.
    ==================
    You better hope you’re right. Because you (and others) gotta lot of running to do if you aren’t.

  143. One thing is for sure–many have been made to realize that a large percentage of Pats fans are actually trial attorneys and physicists. The rest of us? Just easily duped morons.

  144. Pats fans not physicists lawyers. What we are is someone that was forced to educate ourselves to defend what we believe in when a controlling body was untruthful and untrustworthy.
    Haters lemurs who’ll follow Goodell over that cliff.

  145. There was no tampering or proof of tampering. End of story!
    Weird how hates refuse to explain why the NFL lied about the PSI levels, or explain why the NFL refused to correct the erroneous PSI levels.

  146. richndc says:
    Jun 28, 2016 3:47 PM
    One thing is for sure–many have been made to realize that a large percentage of Pats fans are actually trial attorneys and physicists. The rest of us? Just easily duped morons.
    ===================
    Don’t forget the 4th grader that apparently managed to prove Exponent wrong. Doesn’t seem correct to call him a moron based solely on that. So I guess he must be a physicist. LOL

  147. I’m laughing at all the people who think Goodell or anybody from the NFL related to deflategate have not lied. It so patently false it’s laughable. The worse part it’s not even the first time this has happened. Yet the same sheep follow the flock.

    Keep up the good fight though. It’s entertaining if not completely transparent.

  148. Fireroger and Dan, you need to face some realities. The first being, Tom Brady brought this whole thing on. Second, he and the Pats were accused of cheating. The NFL did an investigation and the cards fell where they did. For lack of better terms, Brady and the Pats were on trial, not the NFL. If any one made any decisions based on the media leaks and reporters ‘inside scoops and unidentified sources’ then shame on them. The media can say what they want because they don’t answer to any one. They are protected by the shield law. I have read the Wells Report, the Pats’s Response and Goodell’s final ruling. As well as Brady’s appeal hearing. If it was just science, maybe this would only have been fine. But the Pats and Brady ratched it up to the circus to what it has become. Even fans who hate Goodell as much as you do, still believe Brady is guilty. It is the texts, it is the cmmunications and it is the lies the three major players in this told. Any hint of credibility Brady had was smashed when he destroyed his cell phone. The only three people who needed to be credible, simply weren’t. Like Jim McNally said, “the only thing deflating sun is his passing rating”.

  149. Facts? You? Nope it was the NFL that called for the hearing it was the NFL that allowed what they knew to be a false report to go unchecked for months. It was the Wells report that exonerated Kraft and Coach B that Goodell completely disregarded. It was Wells who told Brady don’t need the phone just what’s on it it was Goodell who demanded the phone. Oh and you still haven’t answered the question where did you get that alleged McNally quote. I say alleged cause your credibility is lacking. Face facts the truth is even if Brady MAY at best have done something questionable the NFL’s behavior has been massively more questionable

  150. Dan, if you are questioning the quote, google it. It comes from the texts. Just like the text about McNally calling himself the deflator. In all seiousness, this about Brady and his lies. This about JJ and JM and their lies. There is a whole timeline of questionable actions and communications. Brady broke his contract with the NFL. He raised the stakes when he turned failure to cooperate into obstruction of an investigation.

  151. Oh you mean the deflator quote that McNally used when he over inflated the footballs as a joke on Brady? That quote was oh by the way in May referring to a game the season before.
    Brett Farve refused to give up his phone claiming it had been lost and he was only fined.
    You whine about Brady and seem to refuse to address the lies and misstatements that the NFL has told.
    Why is that? Are you Roger Goodell?

  152. Oh and Limakey I looked over that text conversation. Sounds like they were trying to aggravate Brady. Where was Brady incriminated? I knew someone who worked for the Sox yrs ago. He said in talking in locker room attendant chat groups that its very common to get souvenirs

  153. This fanbase is easily the worst the world of sports has ever experienced. When the winning stops, we will be free of them, for they shall disappear very, very quickly.
    ——————————————
    You do not understand Boston sports.
    It is generational. Its passed down, like a family heirloom. We grow up with stories of Bobby Orr, Larry Bird and Ted Williams.
    In the center of Boston is a statue of Red Auerbach on a bench you can sit next to. Why like that? Because these teams are our family. We are shut ins for practically 6 months of the year, so we bleed Green, black and gold and red white and blue.
    Now there will be a whole generation growing up on the legend of Brady. Bruschi, Belechick, Gronk, Adam V. Its on the wall of every diner, every bar. If you think that the Pats just go away? Have the Steelers? Cowboys? Giants? That is the group that the Pats are in now. This fanbase won’t go anywhere. In the lonely seasons, the rebuild years, we have a collection of memories to get us through.
    Also that next generation–my kids–have seen championships in every major sport in the past 10 years. The long suffering of the Boston fan was officially over in 2004 with the World Series. Winning is everything in professional sports in this town. But with the bad years, the Sox still sell out, and so do the Bruins.
    I know it sucks–and we are annoying, but it is what it is. We are the greatest sports town in the world. Boston has won 10 percent of professional sports championships since 1960.

  154. I gotta disagree with you. It doesn’t suck that Boston sports fans are annoying. But non Boston sports fans can suck it as we are annoying. The Yankee fans were annoying but you could see their pride as they rooted for a winner. Now that we have winners we can root for dang skippy we will be
    #proudtobeanannoyingBostonsportsfan

  155. limakey says:
    Jun 28, 2016 7:59 PM
    Fireroger and Dan, you need to face some realities.
    ===================
    Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You and others need to face the reality that there is no scientific foundation to conclude unnatural ball deflation happened. None. The simple truth is if there was that much circumstantial evidence it could stand on it’s own. The NFL would never had needed to spend millions of dollars to fabricate the necessary support to hold that amount of evidence together. They just wouldn’t. All the amount of so called lies and failure to cooperate from Brady and the Patriots have no bearing on that. That is 100% Goodell and the behavior he condones from the NFL front offices.

    Even you know the phone was a red herring to create a certain narrative. You just refuse to accept the truth of it. Instead you buy into the flimsy excuse the NFL gave about too much effort to look at the logs when it’s anything but. When confronted with the truth of that, do you accept it? Nope. You use the rat hole excuse that the logs are irrelevant despite the lack of understanding to even make that claim. The reality of the matter is Brady was absolved of failing to cooperate and obstructing by providing the logs. Even if it was after that fact.

  156. limakey reality is something that does not need definition . It should be in front of you with undeniable clarity. I ask you again and all haters to explain the misstatements mistruths and false actions that NFL has displayed. Yet you seem to ignore them.

  157. dandeman19 says:
    Jun 29, 2016 9:00 AM
    limakey reality is something that does not need definition . It should be in front of you with undeniable clarity. I ask you again and all haters to explain the misstatements mistruths and false actions that NFL has displayed. Yet you seem to ignore them.
    =====================
    Additionally, the defense of reality shouldn’t always be “the NFL wasn’t on trial”. That has absolutely no bearing on blatant misstatements and mistruths by the NFL. They simply are what they are. Regardless if they are the prosecutors or not.

  158. Dan and Roger, both of you really have no credibility on this issue. You both spend all your posts about pointing fingers, blaming everybody else and not acknowledging any wrong doing on the Pats or Brady’s part. You have no proof of your accusations, yet when shown proof of TB’s lies, his breaking his contract with the NFL as well as the other evidence against him, you ignore them. The only thing deflating this sun is his passing rating – Jim McNally.
    The man who has nothing to do with inflating or deflating footballs.

  159. limakey says:
    Jun 29, 2016 11:13 AM
    ==================
    And yet when asked to defend the NFL lies you respond with quips akin to the NFL isn’t on trial. As much as Pats fans aren’t budging on the circumstantial aspect of this you refuse to budge on the scientific aspect and how it doesn’t hold water. So spare us all the credibility nonsense.

    I have stated numerous times now that both Brady and the Patriots could\should have behaved differently. But that is still a long ways to go in knowing they are guilty.

  160. Limakey.

    Let’s try a different approach for a second. The NFL has conducted flawed investigations in the past. And have even gone so far as to lie to win over the PR battle.

    Peterson with the 2 game suspension vs indefinite ban.

    Rice with the video vs no video.

    Incognito with the “Ted Wells came in with a mission against me”

    What exactly is it about deflategate that is making you believe it isn’t more of the same from the NFL?

  161. limakey says:
    Jun 29, 2016 11:13 AM
    ==================
    We have talked ad naseum about the circumstantial evidence and supposed lies from Brady. It’s more about disagreement than acknowledgment. Over the facts collected from the “evidence” and the conclusions being drawn from that. You think Brady lied. I don’t. You think Goodell presented him with an honest opportunity to be credible. I don’t. That’s the thing that you and others fail to grasp about circumstantial evidence It relies on inferences to draw conclusions. It doesn’t support the assertions brought forward (the very reason Exponent was paid to make it work). It’s why it’s called circumstantial. Your quote from McNally about passer rating only highlights that point. You infer many things from that text, drawing your own conclusions and passing them off as facts. In the end your only defensible reaction to that is the inevitable “come on use common sense” excuse.

  162. “because a US court found that a different US court does NOT have the right to dictate how the NFL punishes their players. They by law, DO NOT. Just like if you got suspended at your job, taking your boss to court about it would do you no good.”

    This is a remarakably over-simplistic understanding of labor law. If there were no union and now CBA, this statement would be true. But because there is a CBA, any punishment has to “flow from the CBA”. The commissioner is not allowed to “impose his own version of industrial justice.”

    These are well-established legal concepts. The NFL lawyers have thrown up a legal smokescreen by ignoring legal precedents and trying to con people into thinking they’ve proven Brady’s guilt. Apparently they managed to con two judges on the Second Circuit Court. Judges Chin and Parker seem to have decided “because Brady is guilty, the league can do what they want to do.” This is bad law and also bad science.

    To get a better feeling for what’s actually going on here, I suggest fans read the various amicus briefs. Science professors from around the country have ripped the Wells report to shreds. Legal experts in the process of arbitration have derided Goodell’s kangaroo court.

  163. fireroger,

    You make an important point regarding limakey’s reliance on inferences and interpretations. If text messages are the holy grail of evidence, it’s curious (to me, at least) that limakey never addresses text messages that don’t have to be interpreted.

    JJ texted his fiance after the Jets game saying, “I just measured some of the balls. They supposed to be 13 lbs… They were like 16. Felt like bricks.” One doesn’t need common sense and one doesn’t have to rely on inferences to understand that message. “They supposed to be 13 lbs” means the footballs were supposed to be inflated to 13 psi.

    The problem for limakey and certain others … but especially limakey … is that this message is clear, specific, and impossible to explain if Brady was orchestrating a scheme to deflate footballs.

    When people ignore clear and specific evidence and instead rely on interpretations of confused and muddled evidence to make their case, it is “more probable than not” that they have don’t have a case to make.

  164. Then by your reasoning you are ok with any rules or law enforcing entity if by appearance if nothing else making up a case after convicting someone and not before. You can be ok with that I am not I want someone to prove I did something then accuse

  165. All I am doing is trying to display the NFL’s discrepancies when it comes to accusing. The fact IS the NFL based their case on two things allowing the Colts to break the rules when the Colts checked the Pats balls meanwhile 3 out of 4 of theirs were also under. Also the false report that it took six months to counter. That is where this started so how can the NFL be believed ?

  166. Ok limakey doesn’t get Ray Rice Incognito AP if we can’t trust the evidence gatherers how can we trust the evidence they gather?

  167. Dan, you are only making your case weaker. Again focusing issues that have nothing to do with deflategate. Rice, Incognito and AP are all off field issues. These have nothing to do with this. It is just another method to take the focus off of what TB did. These are social issues that neither society nor the law seems to be able to get a handle on. To blame and expect a professional sports commissioner to fix these issues is just beyond words. In regards to the texts, and the lies told by TB, JM and JJ come directly from them. Unless of course, you think the NFL made them up or held a gun to their heads as they gave their testimony. So what, the Colts checked a ball on the sideline. Does that explain that that all of the Patriots’ balls fell below legal limits on both gauges? Does that mean nothing else matters? This is about cheating. This is about the integrity of the game and the public’s confidence in the results of the game. Stop using the victims of Rice, Incognito and Peterson as a measuring tool in this case. It is not only pathic but it is just wrong.

  168. limakey, you sound like you have actually convinced yourself that TB is guilty.

    You realize every single one of your justifications for your conclusion has been debunked, right?

    What lies from TB, JJ, and JM?? TB is the only one in this whole mess to testify under oath, at real risk of perjury once it went to court, which he knew it would. Show me the lies told by TB, JM, and JJ. I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about.

    Goodell is the only one who has been proven to have lied, as shown by the release of the transcript of the appeals hearing, which Goodell didn’t think was going to happen. He flat out lied about what Brady said during the hearing, this is verifiable fact. Look up what Goodell said in his statement after the appeal vs. what was actually said in according to the transcript.

    None of the texts – especially when put in context – have any logical connection to illegally deflating footballs. None at all. Show me which ones do.

    Do you really need the list of neutral parties from all over the country that showed AEI’s report was not done according to scientific standards? That the ideal gas law absolutely explains the measured pressures, given the sheer number of assumptions that have to be made? (AEI themselves admitted this in a footnote, but rush ahead to a conclusion nonetheless.)

    I wait for a point by point rebuttal.

  169. musicfootballprogramming says:
    Jun 30, 2016 11:11 AM

    I wait for a point by point rebuttal.
    —————————

    Don’t hold your breath, because it isn’t coming.

  170. Then Limakey you and the NFL don’t get it. Game integrity and public appearance should go hand in hand. If you can’t police the laws of the land in correlation with your employees fairly and justly then how can we have faith that you’ll police the game fairly and justly
    Farve sexted and allegedly lost his phone and was uncooperative. He was only fined and you do realize that sexting can be a crime?
    Goodell wouldn’t give up his phone in a criminal investigation when asked to by the FBI (you do know who they are?)
    Brady violated no laws and did not refuse anyone in law enforcement and all he did was he may have had knowledge of ball tampering.So he won’t give up his phone was said to have been uncooperative by Goodell yet Well said he was til Wells reneged on an agreement and he is the only one suspended? How is that fair

  171. The similarities in the AP\Rice\Incognito cases are not the social issues or even the punishment. It’s the NFL investigations and the lies that resulted from them. More importantly it draws into question why people put so much faith into NFL investigations that have proven to be completely unreliable. Time and time and time again. That’s pretty germane to the issue at hand.

  172. Dan, Cheating is done for two purposes, to win games and pat stats. That is what Brady has been of accused of. None of the examples you give have any thing to do with the game of football itself. And Brady did brake his contract with the NFL. You can’t blur the lines just because you think it is fair. Yes, what AP, RR and RI did were horrible actions done by human beings who just happened to be pro football players. As well as Brett, of course. However, Brady lied and cheated in his profession. His actions are the lowest of the low in professional sports. He is no better than Lance Armstrong. Worse than Barry Bonds and A-Rod. Even worse than Pete Rose.

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