Second Circuit denies Brady request for new hearing

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The likelihood that Patriots quarterback Tom Brady will miss the first four games of the regular season went up on Wednesday.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit has denied Brady’s request for a rehearing of the appeal that reinstated the four-game suspension he received from the league. Brady’s suspension had originally been overturned by U.S. District Court Judge Richard Berman last year, allowing Brady to play for the entire 2015 season.

The announcement from the Second Circuit notes that they have denied both Brady’s request to have the appeal reheard by a three-judge panel of judges and to have it heard by the full court. That leaves an appeal to the Supreme Court as the last legal lifeline left for Brady to get the suspension overturned and indications throughout the process from Brady and the NFLPA have been that they will exhaust every option available on that front.

Should Brady remain suspended, he will miss the season opener at Arizona and then three home games against the Dolphins, Texans and Bills. Jimmy Garoppolo would be the starter for those games in Brady’s absence.

370 responses to “Second Circuit denies Brady request for new hearing

  1. I actually didn’t expect this. I would not have believed those judges really wanted to allow employers to be able to railroad their employees whenever and however they want.

  2. Biggest injustice in sports history is lkely to stand. And most of the country knows it, but is giddy about it anyway. Embarrassing all around.

  3. the united states supreme court has more important things to do than hear Brady’s case. seriously just do the 4 game suspension and call it a day. no need to drag this drama out any further as it serves no purpose for anyone.

  4. I can hear the wailing from the northeast portion of the United States.

  5. Hah!

    A nice gift this morning for the NFL’s “best fans”.

    Cheaters get what cheaters deserve.

    Enjoy the asterisk that will forever sit next to your championships, cheaters.

  6. LOL. Maybe Pats* fans should crowd source a legal brief for SCOTUS to review. Regale Justice Ginsburg with your knowledge of physics and inane conspiracy theories!

  7. Quick, someone wake Mike and ask him how this whole Supreme Court thing works.

  8. …of course the Pats will probably win that weak division either way like they do every year. Hopefully out of the Bills, Jets and Phins one of these teams will finally step up….Unreal

  9. Well, this is about it for me and the NFL. What a crock of injustice.

    On the other hand, I found the perfect VP for Hillary. I think Goodell would fall right in line.

    The truth doesn’t matter. Only the power.

    Out.

  10. I think all Patriot fans should boycott the entire upcoming NFL season as a way to protest the sickening way Goodell has handled this entire process, conducting a sting operation, going after Brady for something the NFL never cared about, pinning a bogus phone destroying scandal on Brady when Goodell knew he didn’t have any evidence that Brady did anything wrong, using phony science firms to come to pre-determined conclusions about Brady’s guilt. Did the court look at any of this, or did Goodell just pack his buddies on the court and the fix was in? Brady should take this to the Supreme Court and take his chances.

  11. The funny thing is that Pats* fans actually think that people are “haters” because they’re jealous of the Pats*. Instead, the reality is that non New Englanders hate the Pats* because they have a history of cheating, their quarterback is the biggest crybaby to ever play the position, and their fans are arrogant and ignorant fairweather bandwagoners.

    Enjoy justice, ya pink-hat buffoons!

  12. “Sore losers!” Patriots called the Colts…as their QB draws out his loss longer than anyone in history.

  13. It’s not about Brady. It’s about Goodell doing whatever he wants whenever he wants. You should not be rooting for the suspension. It needs to be overturned and Goodell stripped of some of his power. Your team will be next.

  14. I am completely flummoxed by this decision. I will never understand how someone who to this date was never found guilty of deflating footballs gets a four game suspension. Even if Brady is guilty, it is a football violation period. How does Goodell justify this honestly? It looks like someone has an agenda and the team owners helped concoct such a farce. If this is the direction that the NFL is heading with flip flopping rules/infractions/penalties, then i will stop watching the sport. Teams have been caught heating footballs, over inflating footballs, the usage of stickum and lets not forget, the 3 out of 4 footballs on the Colts side were under the regulated amount of PSI, nothing happens. Until Goodell/NFL explains this debacle to the fans and myself, i am all set with supporting this sport. I digress.

  15. Remember this moment when the next CBA is being fought over. Apparently Roger Goodell can unilaterally do whatever the hell he wants until then. Good job federal courts and NFLPA.

  16. I’m really curious what happens if Adrian Peterson’s case is ruled in HIS favor against the NFL. That would be two second circuit courts ruling in different directions. Seems like that would almost force the Supreme Court to settle it.

    What a disaster… NFL players unfortunately have brought this upon themselves. Where baseball players were willing to cancel the World Series (1994) and did so, the NFL players were unwilling to cancel even a preseason game.

  17. Tom Baby really thinks this is worthy of the highest court in the country? As a labor case it is cut and dried…the players signed a contract in negotiations that ended up giving Goodell enormous powers so that the players wouldn’t have to take hits in practice anymore. The players have no recourse until they come back to negotiations. Judge Berman got swept up in the publicity last year and ruled contrary to how many judges would rule in that situation that’s why it was appealed and held up through the appeal.

    Plus I know Pat’s fans think so but the NFL is NOT one of the biggest cases in this country.

  18. flash1287 says:

    He will still play all 16

    ——————————————————————–

    to do that he has to convince the supremes that this is a matter of constitutional law

    I think the supremes have a lot more on their priority list than Tommy refusing to accept a punishment that he and the NFL and the NFLPA agreed to allow …

    Reality? The Pats cheat as part of their team culture and will do absolutely anything to cover that up… end of story

    asterisk forever

  19. Ultimately its just a few football games and Brady and his family have no financial concerns for generations. He goes first ballot HOF.

    Its just been this process the league has taken to destroy one players reputation. Its very personal and nothing to do with football. All of this when there are so many questions about what really took place and who knew. Yet the league plays dumb about hiding information about health, bullying communities for money, turning a blind eye to abuse of women. Each season you try and just root your team on that plays on the field, but everything else associated with the league makes it very difficult to want to watch.

  20. Incompetent judges who know nothing about the law. The Second Circuit judges are all in Goodell’s pocket. Now, it is off to Justice Ginsburg, who has demonstrated her impartiality in comments this week.
    Start a movement to have Obama pardon Brady.

  21. Does anyone think the Pats won’t make it to the playoffs even with the suspension? All this is going to do is give NE the fuel and focus to make a run at repeating. Remember when Roethlisberger got railroaded into a four game suspension in 2010? That ended in a losing trip to the SB. As a Steelers fan, I find the Pats hate really comical. Losers hate winners.

  22. Im starting to think that the collective IQ of the nation would increase if the greater Boston area just floated off into the Atlantic.

  23. Tom doesn’t need this crap.

    He should sit out his 4 games, then immediately retire without advance warning.

    That is the only way to put the pressure where it belongs – on the shoulders of the idiot commish…

  24. The NFL front office is so jealous of Brady that the patriots schedule has 3/4 home games during Bradys suspension against weak opposition in the pathetic hope that Jimmy G will play so well that he overtakes Brady as starting quarterback and will subsequently allow teams like the jets, Colts to win a Super Bowl in thier life time.

  25. There’s plenty of circumstantial evidence that Brady was involved in a scheme to deflate footballs. How long has it been going on?

    Brady also lied to Wells and Goodell. Check the Wells report and the Goodell appeal transcripts.

    Brady said he didn’t know McNally or his game day responsibilities and Brady said he never discussed psi with McNally. Jastremski and McNally both said Brady knew McNally and his game day responsibility and McNally said he discussed psi with Brady. It’s right in the Wells report and Goodell transcripts. Brady lied plain and simple.

    It clear from the texts that Brady knew McNally and his responsibilities. Plus McNally was a 32 year over weight employee who used to travel with the team so it doesn’t pass the smell test. The Bird or Burt nickname is just deflection.

    How’s the deflator doing on his weight loss?

  26. bringbackflutie says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:58 AM
    The funny thing is that Pats* fans actually think that people are “haters” because they’re jealous of the Pats*. Instead, the reality is that non New Englanders hate the Pats* because they have a history of cheating, their quarterback is the biggest crybaby to ever play the position, and their fans are arrogant and ignorant fairweather bandwagoners.

    Enjoy justice, ya pink-hat buffoons!

    What’s the “history of cheating”

    The team you root for sucks and YES you’re jealous.

  27. The Supreme Court is not going to take this ridiculous case. Some of you people must be imbeciles if you believe this waste of time will be taken up with all the other things in the World going on. Grow up

  28. .
    At some point in time, fans with brains will realize that Brady’s suspension will last only four games ( from which the Patriots will easily survive) . However, Goodell’s absolute power over the outcome of games will last until 2020. Be careful what you wish for. Your team could be next.
    .

  29. inbillwetrust2015 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:57 AM
    denver broncos:

    super bowl 32*
    super bowl 33*
    super bowl 50*

    there is no disputing this. thank you.

    ————————————–

    Actually they cheated the salary cap in two of them, so there is disputing this, you’re welcome

  30. Unless there is a Patriots fan among the 8 justices I really can’t see them wasting their time. See you Tom starting in Game 5.

  31. Reality? The Pats cheat as part of their team culture and will do absolutely anything to cover that up… end of story

    Please tell us what the “cheating as part of their team culture is”

    You can’t.

  32. hatersgonnahatehate says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:58 AM
    so CBA means Goodell can do whatever he wants as long as he says integrity a bunch. Cool. What could go wrong?

    ——————————————–
    You mean the CBA the Union and Players agreed to?

  33. Not surprised. It was never about the truth, or science or integrity of the game. It was all about the way the CBA was written and agreed to.

    I guess that leaves Von Miller to carry the torch for changing this dysfunctional league.

  34. ……it’s really sad to see the fast decline of the NFL. I’ve been a die heart fan since 1968 and the league has been run into the ground by Rodger & the ‘2nd generation’ owners the last 10 years. What was once a league with integrity, has become nothing more than a bunch of greedy, power hungry men (& women) who don’t care about the game or the fans that support the NFL. …..

  35. You mouthbreathers still trotting out the word “cheater” need to revisit the facts of the case a few more times.

    Completely imaginary equipment violation or not, Tom Brady is better at football than your quarterback. That fact remains.

  36. Browns RB posts ISIS style beheading pic, league doesn’t care.
    Repeat SB MVP asks refs to stop overinflating footballs to 16 psi, suspended for 4 games for generally being aware of the laws of physics.

    #Integrity

  37. goodellMustGo says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:53 AM
    Jimmy will go 4-0.

    Patriot Haters heads explode.

    Tee hee:)

    56 56
    Report comment

    ..It’s like my birthday today!

    Tee-hee this 🙁

  38. A sad day for the NFL that they can fabricate this whole thing and get away with it.

    Goodell is vile

    Goodell and his cronies must go

  39. kapy01 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:54 AM
    Its the only way they can try and beat us by keeping the GOAT off the field.
    ————-
    Manning retired

  40. randomguy9999 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:03 AM

    flash1287 says:

    He will still play all 16

    ——————————————————————–

    to do that he has to convince the supremes that this is a matter of constitutional law

    I think the supremes have a lot more on their priority list than Tommy refusing to accept a punishment that he and the NFL and the NFLPA agreed to allow …

    Reality? The Pats cheat as part of their team culture and will do absolutely anything to cover that up… end of story

    asterisk forever
    …..

    No, Brady now needs to convince Justice Ginsberg to grant a stay and Brady will play all 16. A stay will put off any punishment until the Supreme Court decides whether to take it or not which will take the process into 2017.

  41. The bad guys usually win in real life, sad but true. I don’t have much faith in anything America has to do with anymore. Whatever. 4 less games to get his knee rolled up on and ruin the season. Revenge Tour ’16 just starts in October now, that’s all. Watch the Pats beat you while you have a head start, bring it on.

  42. When will they be ruling on Andrew Luck’s suspension for the same equipment violation in the same game? Oh wait….

  43. Good. He cheated. Justice is served.

    And the Supreme Court has more important issues to rule on other then whether a quarterback should be suspended for 4 games.

    Suck it, Pats fans.

  44. Not the first time the deck has been stacked against NE. No worries, we’ll be around come playoff time 🙂

    Hilarious part is that low information commenters still think this has anything to do with the air in footballs.

    Well, at least the fla fans can have something to cheer about, for a few weeks anyway, until actual football begins. Then you won’t have your Ben Drieth court to save you.

  45. iamkillerfin says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:08 AM

    RIGHT ON!!! Cheater should be suspended!!!
    …..

    You posted in the wrong article. There is no mention of any Broncos/Seahawks/49ers in this article.

  46. raidernation210 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:06 AM
    inbillwetrust2015 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:57 AM
    denver broncos:

    super bowl 32*
    super bowl 33*
    super bowl 50*

    there is no disputing this. thank you.

    ————————————–

    Actually they cheated the salary cap in two of them, so there is disputing this, you’re welcome

    _________________________

    yeah….that was the point of the asterisks. thanks for pointing that out though

  47. lscottman3 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:53 AM
    it is what it is
    _______________

    And what it is is all about the CBA, it always was.
    Too many embarrassments for the league office in high profile cases. They needed the big W in a high profile case that didn’t involve criminal charges. This is about setting a precedent that will forestall other penalties being taken to court and give the commissioners office an almost unlimited whip hand. The NFLPA has to take this too the wall.

    The language in the CBA that allowed Goodell to do this has been there since ’69, so spare the assaults on the current NFLPA leadership. No one could have predicted it would ever have been so thoroughly abused. One thing is sure, it won’t be in the next one.

  48. I can already hear the cash registers ringing at the DeflateGateHats website!! Wish I had thought of that idea!

  49. Goodell has the right to suspend anyone for any amount of time per the one-sided CBA. It’s unfortunate but the CBA gives him that power.

    My problem is that he shouldn’t be able to base his unprecidented punishment on the Wells Report.

    – Ted Wells made abour $5 mil. working on that report, what are the odds he was going to remain “objective”.

    – The report proved nothing and science has 100% proven beyond a reasonable doubt that NO DEFLATION ever happened. Believing that the balls were deflated is like believing that unicorns and leprachauns exist.

    – Most importantly, the NFL was given the Wells report and was able to fully review and edit the report before releasing it to the public. The guy that wrote the report (Ted Wells) doesn’t even know what changes were made.

    Jeff Pash reviewing/editing the report before releasing it is BY FAR the biggest injustice in this whole witch hunt. That fact alone should’ve exonerated Brady.

    Can you imagine the reaction if it turned out the Brady’s lawyer, Jeff Kessler, got a copy of the Wells Report and was able to revise it as much as he wanted to, completely unsupervised, before releasing it?

    Hopefully the Supreme Court can’t be bought like the second circuit and does there part to make this right.

  50. I’d love to see the notorious RBG take Tommy down a peg or two, but we all know this case lacks the merit to be heard by the highest court in the land. But of course he will try it just to delay the inevitable and spend another pile of other players money defending his never ending ego. Not to mention the cost to our legal system to have this ridiculous farce promulgated upon it.

  51. To my fellow union members, this is a sad and dangerous day for us. With this decision today the “Law of the Shop” is in imminent danger.

    ================================ Brady should have been suspended a year. There’s plenty of circumstantial evidence and only a buffoon would think this hasn’t been going on a long time time.

    Brady compromised the integrity of the game and the publics confidence in fair play.

    He lied and cheated, plain and simple. This is not just a minor equipment violation.

    Cry Cheat fans. Brady’s legacy is tainted and so are your teams success.

    Cry some more and blame us haters and Goodell. Keep acting like entitled 2 year olds.

    Sincerely

    Barry Bonds Lance Armstrong Roger Clemens Alex R Ryan Braun

    >

  52. bobbyd12 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:07 AM

    hatersgonnahatehate says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:58 AM
    so CBA means Goodell can do whatever he wants as long as he says integrity a bunch. Cool. What could go wrong?

    ——————————————–
    You mean the CBA the Union and Players agreed to?
    ……..

    The CBA doesn’t give Goodell the power to break federal labor law.

  53. factschecker says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:54 AM
    So one more year of this. Great. Thanks Indy. Stay classy.
    _______________
    Yes…..it’s somebody else’s fault your team are cheating scumbags and got caught.
    Stay classy Patsie* fans.

  54. This is not about Tom Brady. This is about Roger Goodell and his buddies doing a put-up job intended to solidify Roger’s absolute power. Tagliabue told Roger that this singling-out method is no way to run the NFL, but Tagliabue forgot that Roger isn’t doing it for the good of the game, he’s doing it for his own personal betterment.

    So this is very bad for players and whatever club next gets the Roger treatment when he needs it. It’s also a terrible precedent for organized labor. The rules of deferring to the arbitrator were established for neutral arbitrators, not a guy with his own agenda.

    Anybody who is crowing about this because he thinks this will mess up Brady and the Patriots for one season is incredibly short-sighted. This will just give Roger license to continue his scummy ways––and your favorite could be next.

  55. I’d love to say I’m sorry Patriots fans but I can’t. I’m no liar unlike some certain quarterback in Foxboro, Mass.

  56. bringbackflutie says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:56 AM

    Hah!

    A nice gift this morning for the NFL’s “best fans”.

    Cheaters get what cheaters deserve.

    Enjoy the asterisk that will forever sit next to your championships, cheaters.
    ……

    Pats fans were named “best fans” not the Broncos fans.

  57. The NFL front office is so jealous of Brady that the patriots schedule has 3/4 home games during Bradys suspension against weak opposition in the pathetic hope that Jimmy G will play so well that he overtakes Brady as starting quarterback and will subsequently allow teams like the jets, Colts to win a Super Bowl in thier life time.

    =============================== The Colts did win a SB in my lifetime and actually have been one of the best franchises in the NFL over the last 15 years.

    Get your head of if Tammy’s butt and maybe you could see the truth.

    >

  58. Ruth Bader Ginsburg is responsible for issuing stays of Second Circuit decisions pending appeal. All the NFL has to do now to ensure Brady watches the first four games from his couch is remind her that Brady and Trump are BFFs. We all know how much she loves Trump…

  59. According to Pat’s fans, Brady will play all 16 games and they will be getting that first round pick back any day now.
    HAHAHAHAHA
    Pat’s fans are funny.

  60. Given how weak the AFC East is, it won’t have any impact, other than denying the Pats home field advantage if they make it to the AFC Championship (which did hurt them against Denver).

  61. As a Pats fan, I’m disappointed in this ruling.

    As an American citizen, I’m horrified that the courts are taking this stance. Take Brady out of this as it’s been about the process and how Goodell handled it – and the courts just said that big business can essentially screw any player in the NFL union if they choose. Also, if you think this is just Goodell, you’re mistaken, as he reports directly to the owners of the NFL teams. This whole thing has nothing to do with the Pats specifically, but more to the point that the owners will do whatever they can to gain as much control and power over the players as they can.

    The NFLPA may as well just dissolve because there’s nothing they can do to protect any of their union members after this ruling – and whether you like or hate Brady, that’s not a good thing for the NFL players and potentially American unions.

  62. Horrible language in the CBA got him and horrible choice of destroying phone got him too………
    enjoy the boos for rest of career Tommy. Lol teehee **** cheater

  63. Yay. One last waste of lawyers’ time and money and then Brady can serve the traffic ticket sized penalty originally imposed and get this all behind us.

  64. You mean to tell me that the Second Circuit denied Brady’s request for a new hearing even after all of those wonderful amicus briefs by legal scholars (read Patriot fans) that you raved about?!?

    How could that be?

    How could the judges be so mean to poor Tom Brady?

    These judges should read PFT (and the comment section filled with the ramblings of Pats fans) so that they could be educated how the Pats are just innocent and misunderstood and would never do anything wrong.

    The horror.

    The world is certainly going to end now . . . .

  65. Brady just sit down with Goodell and negotiate for a reduced punishment. You shouldn’t have tampered with the footballs, you shouldn’t have destroyed your phone,and you should have cooperated with the league investigation. As a Patriots fan, I’m ready to move on.

  66. It is what it is. He won’t play now, even if he takes it higher they need to assume Jimmy is playing. Like the 31-0 beatdown by the Bills to open the 03 season, it will be SO MUCH Sweeter when that 5th Lombardi is hoisted.

  67. I 100% support a year long players strike in 2020, if thats what it takes to rein in or force out Goodell and his disgusting abuse of power.

    Goodell is single handedly ruining what was the best sport in the world.

    Only reasons he’s put up with is that the league is raking in record profits and rating DESPITE his abysmal leadership.

    The second the league plateaus or declines in profit/ratings you can bet he’s canned quickly.

  68. “I think all Patriot fans should boycott the entire upcoming NFL season…”
    ——————

    A season without Patriots fans? YES PLEASE!!

  69. The evidence all points at Brady (Destroying cell phone, being labeled “The deflator”)

    My gut tells me that Goodell had more on Brady and the Pats than this, and he worked out a deal with Kraft for Brady to take the punishment for this. This is why Kraft quickly accepted the punishment.

    The classless Pats* organization is finally starting to get what they deserve.

  70. If Patriots fans boycott the NFL season, it’ll be just like the good old days: the late 80’s and early 90’s when the Bills and Dolphins vied for AFC East supremacy. No Patriots fans then, none now, works for me.

  71. kapy01 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:54 AM

    Its the only way they can try and beat us by keeping the GOAT off the field.
    _________________________________

    Actually Eli Manning Beat you…TWICE #18-1

  72. nyyjetsknicks says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:59 AM
    SCOTUS will not take this case according to legal people. Although a 4 – 4 tie in the SCOTUS would make me laugh.

    __________________________________

    Ginsberg will stay the judgement until the SCOTUS can review the case to see if they will hear it. This will take 12-18 months.
    Not sure what legal people you’re citing but the fact that three of the most powerful and influential attorneys in appellate law in this country are involved will weigh heavily in the decision to hear the case. Significant labor law and process at stake.

  73. How deflating, bwhahahahahhaa.

    Abortion
    Immigration
    Health Care
    Tom Shady and his deflated balls.

    Give it up already Shady, you were caught and destroyed your cell phone, no one other than Sully from South Boston believes your cheating self.

  74. I’m amazed at just how many comments have no idea what they are talking about. Some are acting like the judges were sitting around discussing the in’s and out’s of Brady and his interactions with the Patriots equipment managers.

    That is not what this was/is about. This/was about Can Roger Goodell make the rules up as he goes. And the courts have ruled that the NFLPA gave Roger that power during the last CBA negotiation.

    So legally, until he’s stopped by the courts or a labor strike in 2020 (which is all but a given at this point. No football in 2020) the courts are saying “Yes. Roger can do pretty much whatever he wants.”

    All fans lose if this is not overturned by the Supreme Court. It will lead to a strike and a season w/o football. (2020)

  75. Hey Pats fans, how does it feel to know that you have a decade and a half of cheating your way to wins? I’d take a 17 year loser any day over a franchise that needs multiple asterisks for everything they have ever accomplished.

    Tommy boy shouldn’t have broke his cell phone and if he wasn’t guilty he had his chance to prove it by producing what they asked for.

    I am in talks with my representation on proceeding with my lawsuit against the league asking for refunds for all fans who attended a fixed game perpetrated by this disgrace of a franchise.

    Thank you NFL for your persistence in protecting the integrity of the game.

  76. to do that he has to convince the supremes that this is a matter of constitutional law

    I think the supremes have a lot more on their priority list than Tommy refusing to accept a punishment that he and the NFL and the NFLPA agreed to allow …
    ————————-
    1. It might be if the 8th Circuit decides for Peterson. This would create a difference of opinions between two circuit courts which the SC does not like.

    2. The NFLPA agreed Goodell could be the arbitrator with the thought that being an arbitrator includes the little things like being unbiased and following due process and being fair. Goodell has not done any of that. Not just with this case, but see Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, Bountygate, etc…

  77. Sad to say but in spite of an 0-4 start they will undoubtedly win the AFC East and make it to the Super Bowl.

  78. About time this farce is almost over…..Brady is not arguing he is innocent, which everyone but Patriot fans know he is not, he is arguing that Goodell doesn’t have the authority……CBA says he does….get on with your lives and stop throwing money away and serve your suspension just like everyone else….because of the * next to his name because of cheating, he will never be thought of as the GOAT

  79. Of course he will appeal to the supremes, especially if they are away for the summer since as long as his appeal in being considered he can play. Hey he may retire before that.
    On the other hand Ginsberg would hear this, she hates Trump, Brady is a Trump guy, Brady is dead meat.
    Also if during the season she were to uphold this, then he may miss key mid season or late season games so either way he is screwed.

  80. The sad news for Patriot Hater is it really doesn’t matter either way. 🙂

    The Patriots will be fine.

    That’s because the Patriots organization and their fans are better than you.

    We are smarter than you.

    We own you.

    We punk you.

    We dominate you.

    You are nothing compared to US.

    You are not on OUR level.

    And no matter what you think… no matter what you say… no matter how many times you thumbs down this post… you know it’s true.

    Hurts doesn’t it? The truth usually does.

    🙂

  81. This story is worse than fingernails on a chalkboard to me. I am so sick of hearing and reading about it, I will not respond to it in any way from this moment on.
    All I know is, this investigation was a stupid thing for the NFL to do in the first place, because the pressure in those footballs on that day had zero to do with the outcome ofthe game.
    Once it was brought to the leagues’ attention that the balls might have been intentionally deflated, they should have met and decided to implement a simple new rule: let each offense play with footballs they prefer and allow a leeway of the pressure being high or low of 1 psi in them. That way all of this crap could have been put to rest right away and all this stupid, negative publicity would have been avoided.
    Goodell could have brought Kraft and Brady in and told them in no uncertain circumstances that this shouldn’t have happened and we will be watching you a lot closer from now on.
    The trouble is, Goodell is a phony liar himself. We all know he lied during the Ray Rice incident and he is trying to save face by nailing Brady to the wall.
    As for all you Brady/ Pats lovers/haters, you are all so wrapped up in your love or hate that you sound like a bunch of whiny kids arguing over something silly.
    Here’s the truth: all you Brady haters hate him because he’s a winner and you all would love him if he were the QB of your team. And all you Brady lovers would love him no matter what because he’s won so much for your Pats.
    Anyone who argues with that is not telling the truth. None of you are objective, and you long ago stopped sounding reasonable.

  82. No sense arguing with the haters, let them enjoy their day.

    I’m wondering how many truly believe Brady orchestrated a “scheme” to deflate footballs and if it made one damn bit of difference.

    2015 was the proof that if Brady did do it , he surely didn’t need to.

    The haters have been squirming like a student who doesn’t want to be called on in class. Nervous that the suspension may be overturned again.

    Now the haters can breathe a sign of relief. The NFL has spotted your team a four game lead. God help the Jets, Bills and Fins if one of them doesn’t win the division this year.

  83. N.E. 2016: 7-9

    Sun, Sep 11 @ Cardinals L
    Sun, Sep 18 vs Dolphins L
    Thu, Sep 22 vs Texans L
    Sun, Oct 2 vs Bills L
    Sun, Oct 9 @ Browns W
    Sun, Oct 16 vs Bengals W
    Sun, Oct 23 @ Steelers L
    Sun, Oct 30 @ Bills W
    Sun, Nov 13 vs Seahawks L
    Sun, Nov 20 @ 49ers W
    Sun, Nov 27 @ Jets L
    Sun, Dec 4 vs Rams W
    Mon, Dec 12 vs Ravens W
    Sun, Dec 18 @ Broncos L
    Sat, Dec 24 vs Jets W
    Sun, Jan 1 @ Dolphins L

    No Brady, No Hope

  84. veddermn8 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:13 AM

    No, Brady now needs to convince Justice Ginsberg to grant a stay and Brady will play all 16. A stay will put off any punishment until the Supreme Court decides whether to take it or not which will take the process into 2017.

    ———————————————–

    You up on the news at all? Ginsberg said yesterday that she thinks Donald Trump is a joke candidate, and Ruth Bader Ginsberg also knows that Brady is friends with Trump.

    There will be no Supreme Court, Hell the Second Circuit Court didn’t even want to touch this case.

  85. When the Pats start the season they will go 0-4 and the excuses will come rolling in.

    “But but if only we have Tom Bwady!”

    Meanwhile you will hear this

    “Belichick is wicked smaht, that system is perfect anyone can play QB on the Patriots”

  86. If there’s one thing we can all learn from the last two Patriot legal proceedings (Hernandez and Brady):
    The theory of the spoliation inference is that when a party destroys evidence, it may be reasonable to infer that the party had “consciousness of guilt” or other motivation to avoid the evidence. Therefore, the factfinder may conclude that the evidence would have been unfavorable to the spoliator.

    Most lawyers, such as Wells, are familiar with this.

  87. The sleazy little cheater finally got is comeuppance. The suspension should have started with the Super Bowl though.

    Goodell actually cut Cheating Tom a break and let him play against the Seahawks. Of course Cheating Tom was not grateful.

  88. Life long Pats fan here: This doesn’t surprise me. I’m not saying what Goodell did was just (it wasn’t) or based on reality (it wasn’t). But the players agreed to the CBA that allows for Goodell to basically do what he wants. He wants to suspend Brady not for the football thing, but for refusal to cooperate (which has no clear punishment outlined), well guess what? The CBA allows him to do it. The players made an awful deal, and this is part of the blowback.

  89. Goodell could have brought Kraft and Brady in and told them in no uncertain circumstances that this shouldn’t have happened and we will be watching you a lot closer from now on.

    —-
    Spot on.

    Tags would have. Rozelle would have.

    That’s because they were real commissioners and real leaders, not the dope in charge today.

  90. The level of ignorance in some of the comments is staggering.

    The NFLPA decides whether it wants to take the case to the Supreme Court, not Tom Brady.

    The goal is to protect the players from a total dictatorship in which Goodell is the sole jury, judge and executioner, not to prove Tom’s innocence (elementary science has already done that).

    It isn’t that complicated.

  91. Goodell is single handedly ruining what was the best sport in the world.

    Only reasons he’s put up with is that the league is raking in record profits and rating DESPITE his abysmal leadership.

    =============================

    Goodell’s not perfect but he should be coming down hard on cheaters, wife or gf beaters, child beaters, druggies and crime.

    >

  92. No more weaseling and delaying from the Patriots. Tom Brady will serve his 4 games for cheating. Partriot fans cry about how long this has taken but it was Tom and his legal team that put in all the delays.

    Brady had a scheme to manipulate the game balls after the referees checked them. Who knows how long this was taking place. I say it all the time, this is far worse than Pete Rose ever did and look at where he stands in sports history.

  93. Brady just sit down with Goodell and negotiate for a reduced punishment. You shouldn’t have tampered with the footballs, you shouldn’t have destroyed your phone,and you should have cooperated with the league investigation. As a Patriots fan, I’m ready to move on. ============================= Finally a Pats fan of reason

    And Brady shouldn’t have lied.

    >

  94. hawksfansince77 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:57 AM
    Day was just made…. cheaters never win.
    ————————

    No cheated, Sea-town, you just aren’t that good. As you’ll find out when you get shredded at the Razor…

  95. The Supreme Court should take it but not for Brady. The reason being that although the NFLPA were unwise to give the Commish power to arbitrate his own player-integrity cases, the CBA still states that it is an arbitration. An arbitrator is not allowed to introduce any fresh “evidence” (phone destroyed) only to then deny any defense of that (logs from said phone), and he cannot deny the defense the chance to cross-examine a hitherto secret NFL co-author of the Wells Report. Nor can the Arbitrator then lie about the defendant’s testimony and use that lie to further damn the defendant. Even if you hate Tommy Boy Uggs, you should appreciate that Arbitration is legally defined as something other than a kangaroo court – in fact arbitration is supposed to protect against kangaroo courts. The court just screwed the rights of every player in the NFL.

  96. Just remember mouth breathers, when Goodell targets your team with fabricated charges and he will, you’ll see what this feels like.

  97. Has anyone checked Ben Affleck’s twitter account?

    Can’t wait for his next ridiculous, profanity-filled rant.

  98. Here’s the truth: all you Brady haters hate him because he’s a winner and you all would love him if he were the QB of your team. And all you Brady lovers would love him no matter what because he’s won so much for your Pats. Anyone who argues with that is not telling the truth. None of you are objective, and you long ago stopped sounding reasonable. =============================== Sorry you are dead wrong. If this was my QB I would expect him to stand up and acknowledge he cheated and accept the punishment. When my team cheats I certainly do not defend them ad nauseum.

    >

  99. I love how the Patriots haters think this is a good thing.

    Brady gets an entire month off, the Patriots still probably go no worse than 2-2 in his absence, and at the end of the season he’ll be the freshest QB in the playoffs.

    Some penalty.

  100. You know, if Brady woulda just said, ‘yeah, I had a part in it’ instead of lying, it would have been over and mostly forgotten.

    The lying was worse than crime and now has *consequences.

    *Except in precedence setting cases wherein lying hag Hillary’s charges involved lying to the FBI (obvious but apparently disregarded) with ‘convenience’, threatens national security, breaks the law of the land, smiles about it. and many are ok with that in a proposed president…. oh wait….

  101. Jul 13, 2016 10:35 AM
    N.E. 2016: 7-9

    Sun, Sep 11 @ Cardinals L
    Sun, Sep 18 vs Dolphins L
    Thu, Sep 22 vs Texans L
    Sun, Oct 2 vs Bills L
    Sun, Oct 9 @ Browns W
    Sun, Oct 16 vs Bengals W
    Sun, Oct 23 @ Steelers L
    Sun, Oct 30 @ Bills W
    Sun, Nov 13 vs Seahawks L
    Sun, Nov 20 @ 49ers W
    Sun, Nov 27 @ Jets L
    Sun, Dec 4 vs Rams W
    Mon, Dec 12 vs Ravens W
    Sun, Dec 18 @ Broncos L
    Sat, Dec 24 vs Jets W
    Sun, Jan 1 @ Dolphins L

    No Brady, No Hope

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  102. Jesus.. Now the Pats fans are never going to stop whining about this.

    They’ve already taken over ever other topic with there persistent crying. Even the topics that have NOTHING TO DO with them or their team.

    This guarantees at least a decade or more of them drawing out all other NFL related open forum topics with their tears.

    PFT needs to own that and delete any Patriot related posts under topics that have nothing to do with deflategate or Tom Brady.

    Us fans who don’t care about minuscule amounts of air pressure in a football or whether or not Brady knew about it, should be easily able to navigate away from this asinine crying and bickering. It’s unbearable.

  103. Here’s the Pats’ first four games:
    Sunday, September 11 at Arizona Cardinals
    Sunday, September 18 Miami Dolphins
    Thursday, September 22 Houston Texans
    Sunday, October 2 Buffalo Bills

    There’s no reason why we can’t be 3-1 to start the season. We’ll get a seriously pissed off Brady back for Game 4 against the weakass Browns, and then we can steamroll the rest of the schedule on our way to winning Super Bowl 51. Then all you haters can cry even more tears, which will taste sweeter than honey for us Pats fans.

  104. Brady is a cheater. Anybody who understands science or critical thinking knows the IGL is a crock. This is justice.

    Justice delayed, but justice.

  105. Brady should be sent an invoice to pay for all the taxpayer money he wasted trying to cover up his cheating.

  106. Funny thing is, the Pats are still odds on favorites to win the super bowl. Haters heads must be exploding. Congratulations, you had the commissioner of the NFL lie, fabricate evidence, manipulate, etc. to bring down the best QB of all time. At the end of the day, it won’t mean anything….the Pats will still win the division, make the palyoffs, and make a run at the SB. Its was a pathetic attempt to appease owners of loser teams. There still, as there always will be, no evidence of any manual deflation. In fact, there is actually evidence it was all natural.

  107. Seriously, this better not even get near the Supreme Court. I have to think there are much more pressing matters in this country to be taking up their valuable time than something as ridiculous as this dumb case. What a joke all of this is.

    Hey Brady and Pats fan, deal with it. Perhaps if he had just cooperated a bit more in the beginning and maybe told a hint of truth this wouldn’t be where it is today.

  108. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:26 AM

    Brady just sit down with Goodell and negotiate for a reduced punishment. You shouldn’t have tampered with the footballs, you shouldn’t have destroyed your phone,and you should have cooperated with the league investigation. As a Patriots fan, I’m ready to move on.

    ———————————————————————

    Sorry dolphin fan.
    The whole phone thing was nothing more than a red herring meant to make someone that was innocent appear to be guilty. When the NFL proclaimed “Brady destroyed his phone”. The NFL knew that it was a simplistic concept that would dupe many. Only a few intelligent people recognized the obvious and subsequently asked, “How did the NFL obtain the “deflator” text?”

    This strategy would leave only the smartest to figure out that Tom Brady can afford to replace his personal phone, and understand that there was no unknown information on the phone, and all that remained was personal information that would have been leaked. The NFL already leaked information about a swimming pool cover and about Peyton Manning from the phone logs that Tom Brady provided.

    The NFL understood that science wouldn’t matter when the masses were given a simplistic distraction about a replaced telephone. The sensational use of the word “destroyed” would make people envision someone taking a club to a telephone. Few would figure out that there was no evidence left to obtain from the phone, so there was no unknown information to “destroy”. Many would assume that the phone was a mysterious smoking gun and would be willing to deny science.

    Fewer people would appreciate that individual privacy is important in America and understand that the NFL had no right to examine a personal telephone. The NFL would know that only intelligent people can notice details, so biased people would not notice that the NFL already had telephone logs that Tom Brady provided. Biased people would not figure out that the NFL already had the 2 team owned phones which would allow the NFL to view any texts could have been sent to or from those telephones.

    The NFL was right in assuming that many people would not realize that you don’t need both phones to obtain messages that were sent between 2 telephones. The NFL already had the 2 team owned telephones used by the 2 equipment employees. Tom Brady’s personal telephone was already made irrelevant. So no evidence to destroy. That didn’t stop the NFL form planting the “destroyed phone” story in the news when it suited their purposes.

    Only absolute morons that slept through history classes would think that a person in America needs to prove their innocence. It’s his personal phone and the NFL had no right to take it. Any assumption of guilt based on Brady not giving the NFL his personal telephone is further proof that roughly half of the people on the planet are below average intelligence.

  109. I’m wondering how many truly believe Brady orchestrated a “scheme” to deflate footballs and if it made one damn bit of difference. ============================== All reasonable people believe Brady cheated. You Cheat fans are a bunch of Buffoons with your heads up Brady’s butt

    And fire Goodell he should have suspended Brady for a year. If it didn’t affect anything why did Brady do it. And in 2015 Brady sucked when the weather got cold. Violating the integrity in the game and the publics confidence is major. No it’s not a minor equip violation.

    Brady lied and cheated.

    >

  110. Listen to how ridiculous some haters sound. Comparing Brady to Pete Rose and saying this is the worst form a cheating. You are pathetic…..it was 0.2 PSI that was caused by nature. Any QB who has ever played in a cold weather game has used balls at least that low. Grow up. Admit you hate the GOAT because he always wins, is married to a supermodel, and is just all around better than you.

  111. The worst scenario for Pats fans is for Garrapollo to go 4-0 during Brady’s suspension. That will indicate that Brady is no better than an inexperienced bench warmer, and that it is purely the system of 3 yard dump-offs over the middle.

    Pats fans, is that not correct?

  112. This is a swift Knee to the Balls for Pats Season ticket holders. Three of the first four games are at home!!!

    I have faith they will not go 0-4 or 4-0 … probably somewhere in the middle. I’ll be there watching Jimmy the kid. Hopes are high for him.

    At this point I hope they don’t appeal to the SC … This needs to end. Anyone with half a brain (or who is not a fan of any AFC East ream) knows the League stuck it to Tom on no evidence.

    Tyranny reigns in this mans NFL!!!

  113. Goodell is simply the tool of the owners and the owners have spoken. They are sick and tired of being continually cheated by one of their business partners.

  114. bradyakagod says:

    The NFL front office is so jealous of Brady that the patriots schedule has 3/4 home games during Bradys suspension against weak opposition in the pathetic hope that Jimmy G will play so well that he overtakes Brady as starting quarterback and will subsequently allow teams like the jets, Colts to win a Super Bowl in thier life time.
    ———————————————————-
    Yeah, the NFL hates the Pats so much they gave them the Seahawks at home on a short week while the Patriots are coming off a bye.

    Just brutal.

  115. I love how the Patriots haters think this is a good thing.

    Brady gets an entire month off, the Patriots still probably go no worse than 2-2 in his absence, and at the end of the season he’ll be the freshest QB in the playoffs.

    Some penalty.

    ==============================

    It’s the principle, but it s/b a full season. Nothing minor about what Tammy did.

    >

  116. mattwalshvideo says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:41 AM

    Has the “deflator” lost weight yet?
    ————————-

    He lost it, and found it again.

    There you go. You can stop asking this stupid question.

  117. Just remember, the Steelers were the SOLE and ONLY team to vote against the current CBA. My god, it is so wonderful to be a Steelers fan.

  118. Man, imagine being one of the loser 31 fans and having another teams QB being suspended be the best part of your football season?

    Hahaahaa wow to be so pathetic. Then they say they aren’t jealous but spend immeasurable amount of time on PFT crying like babies and pretending they care about rules or “integerty”.

    Also, tbh people in NE have come to terms that Brady will probably get the short stick on this one a long time ago. Jimmy G will prob lose to AZ, a good squad, and then house the AFC east losers and go 3-1. At worst 2-2. Then we get the GOAT back.

    And your team will still be terrible.

    Carry on losers

  119. Jul 13, 2016 9:54 AM
    Its the only way they can try and beat us by keeping the GOAT off the field.
    _________________________________
    Pretty sure the Broncos won the SB last season with a gimp at QB

  120. metitometin says: Jul 13, 2016 9:57 AM I think all Patriot fans should boycott the entire upcoming NFL season ….

    OMG YES! PLEASE GO AWAY! LMAO

    ===========================

    No just the Patriot buffoons should boycott. I know many upstanding Patriot fans and they know Brady cheated.

    >

  121. willycents says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:55 AM

    The worst scenario for Pats fans is for Garrapollo to go 4-0 during Brady’s suspension. That will indicate that Brady is no better than an inexperienced bench warmer, and that it is purely the system of 3 yard dump-offs over the middle.

    Pats fans, is that not correct?
    —-
    Like how Brock Osweiler indicated he is a better QB than Peyton Manning?

    🙂

  122. bradyakagod says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:05 AM
    The NFL front office is so jealous of Brady that the patriots schedule has 3/4 home games during Bradys suspension against weak opposition in the pathetic hope that Jimmy G will play so well that he overtakes Brady as starting quarterback and will subsequently allow teams like the jets, Colts to win a Super Bowl in thier life time.
    _______________________________
    You must be young.

    Tom Brady has been the face of the NFL and made the game popular globally as the Patriots/Cowboys are the most popular franchises in and out of the United States.

    Why would the people who profit from his popularity be jealous?

  123. metitometin says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:57 AM
    I think all Patriot fans should boycott the entire upcoming NFL season as a way to protest the sickening way Goodell has handled this entire process, conducting a sting operation, going after Brady for something the NFL never cared about, pinning a bogus phone destroying scandal on Brady when Goodell knew he didn’t have any evidence that Brady did anything wrong, using phony science firms to come to pre-determined conclusions about Brady’s guilt. Did the court look at any of this, or did Goodell just pack his buddies on the court and the fix was in? Brady should take this to the Supreme Court and take his chances.
    —————————————————————

    From ALL NFL fans we would like to fully support this effort and invite all Pats fans to simply go away. But why for just one season? If you really want to teach that godless Goodell a lesson…never come back. That would be a wicked burn.

  124. willycents says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:55 AM

    The worst scenario for Pats fans is for Garrapollo to go 4-0 during Brady’s suspension. That will indicate that Brady is no better than an inexperienced bench warmer, and that it is purely the system of 3 yard dump-offs over the middle.

    Pats fans, is that not correct?
    ———————-

    Why would the worst scenario be that Garopollo beat the Cardinals, Dolphins, Texans, and Bills?

    It would really suck to get a rested Brady back in week 5.

    Do you bozos even comprehend what you type?

  125. I thought this whole investigation was overkill (or a red herring) until Tom destroyed his phone. An innocent man doesn’t destroy his phone.

    If he would have admitted to telling his ball boys to keep the balls deflated to the minimum threshold, we’re talking about a 25K fine. Just do the time, Tom.

  126. Wow! All those Pats fans guaranteeing a slam dunk rehearing after the NFLPA hired the new high priced lawyer who cost the NFLPA millions just realized that the NFLPA flushed millions more of the players money down the drain on defending Tom Brady. Maybe the Pats fans will chip in to reimburse the NFLPA?

    I will say it is amazing how many favors the new lawyer was able to call in in getting all those friend of the court briefs. All those people who had nothing to submit during the original hearing or appeal. I guess the courts saw right through the thinly veiled end around to the limit on the length of the appeal.

  127. flvikesfan says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:54 AM
    Cry us some tears little Tommy, cry us some tears!

    That’s what opponents are going to be doing when Tom comes back and kicks butt!

  128. Hey Pats fans, how does it feel to know that you have a decade and a half of cheating your way to wins? I’d take a 17 year loser any day over a franchise that needs multiple asterisks for everything they have ever accomplished.

    HAHAHAA

    SURE YOU WOULD YOU CRYBABY LOSER

    You’d take getting the bills suspended out of the league forever if you could just watch one playoff win.

  129. Man, imagine being one of the loser 31 fans and having another teams QB being suspended be the best part of your football season? ============================ Since 2005 there have been 11 SB winners and only once did the Cheats win. So in 10/11 years other teams won and 2 teams won twice. So how do you get 31 losers. Maybe the IGL explains it. Or maybe it was the NFL conspiring in those years.

    A loser is a fan repeatedly acting like a buffoon supporting their cheating team ad nauseum.

    >

  130. How hilarious would it be if the Patriots are in, and win, the Super Bowl this season?

  131. srector1224 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:05 AM

    Im starting to think that the collective IQ of the nation would increase if the greater Boston area just floated off into the Atlantic.

    ————————-

    If that happened, we’d be left with what basically amounts to a very large Springer audience.

  132. mattwalshvideo says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:29 AM

    How deflating, bwhahahahahhaa.

    Abortion
    Immigration
    Health Care
    Tom Shady and his deflated balls.

    Give it up already Shady, you were caught and destroyed your cell phone, no one other than Sully from South Boston believes your cheating self.
    ……..

    Actually he wasn’t “caught” at all. He was exonerated by junior high science. Goodell was “caught’ lying in open court and to the entire NFL fan base and hiding evidence (PSI numbers from last year anyone?, blocking equal witness access? blocking equal discovery? leaking false reports?). Just because the CBA is terrible and the judges weren’t interested in the case doesn’t mean Brady was found “guilty”.

  133. Who really cares? Might actually help the Pats because they will win the AFC East regardless with a super motivated team and go deep into the playoffs and probably to the SB. Can’t beat them on the field and it will be interesting to see how the jealous losers try to knock Bilicheck out in 2017 cause it won’t happen.

  134. Goodell is simply the tool of the owners and the owners have spoken. They are sick and tired of being continually beaten silly by one of their business partners.

    Fixed that for you crybaby

  135. mrmcdougle says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:36 AM

    The theory of the spoliation inference is that when a party destroys evidence, it may be reasonable to infer that the party had “consciousness of guilt” or other motivation to avoid the evidence. Therefore, the factfinder may conclude that the evidence would have been unfavorable to the spoliator.
    ____________________________________

    This is true, but it ignores one crucial fact. Spoliation means a person has withheld or destroyed relevant information required as part of a legal proceeding. Required is the key word.

    Justice Chin made this exact point in the appeal ruling saying, “It is well established that the law permits a trier of fact to infer that a party who deliberately destroys relevant evidence the party had an obligation to produce did so in order to conceal damaging information from the adjudicator.”

    The NFL does not have subpoena powers, and players are under no obligation to turn over their cell phones. If a player is not obligated to turn over a cell phone and the NFL cannot subpoena said cell phone, then there can be no spoliation.

  136. Brady dominates all? We all want him as our QB?

    Why?

    Aaron Rodgers is 1-0 vs Brady
    Aaron Rodgers is 1-0 vs Manning

    He’s 1-1 against Ben and 2-2 against both Eli and Brees.

    I’d say he’s doing better, on average, against the best QB’s in the league than TB is.

    I’ll stick with Aaron over Tom – thanks.

  137. bradyakagod says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:05 AM
    The NFL front office is so jealous of Brady that the patriots schedule has 3/4 home games during Bradys suspension against weak opposition in the pathetic hope that Jimmy G will play so well that he overtakes Brady as starting quarterback and will subsequently allow teams like the jets, Colts to win a Super Bowl in thier life time.
    =========
    Yeah, i’m sure the NFL thought that if Garopollo wins all four and gets player of the week each week, the Patriots are gonna slam Brady down to number 2 on the depth chart. Good thinking…..

  138. Anyone paying any attention knew this was inevitable given the Second Circuit’s general refusal to grant petitions for rehearing.

  139. Jul 13, 2016 9:53 AM – firecracker87 says: I actually didn’t expect this. I would not have believed those judges really wanted to allow employers to be able to railroad their employees whenever and however they want.

    Why not? There is, in essence, a signed document in which the players agreed: “In exchange for turning the practice schedule into Camp Cupcake, and other valuable consideration, we agree to let the commissioner be the absolute czar of disciplinary matters.

  140. Since 2005 there have been 11 SB winners and only once did the Cheats win. So in 10/11 years other teams won and 2 teams won twice. So how do you get 31 losers. Maybe the IGL explains it. Or maybe it was the NFL conspiring in those years.

    A loser is a fan repeatedly acting like a buffoon supporting their cheating team ad nauseum.

    HMMMMM I wonder why loser 31 fan boy chose 2005?

    OOHHHHHH thats becauase the patriots won 3 of the previous 4 SBs!! OOHHHHHHHH

    Thats what loser fans do. They draw whatever inference or stats they want to make their point.

    And talk about “ad nauseum”, you have 40 comments on this thread alone! Get a life

    Your team is terrible, my team is the best ever, and you will still be crying about the pats long after this fiasco is over

    Carry on crybaby

  141. vikingsdefineaverage says:
    Jul 13, 2016 11:00 AM
    Jul 13, 2016 9:54 AM
    Its the only way they can try and beat us by keeping the GOAT off the field.
    _________________________________
    Pretty sure the Broncos won the SB last season with a gimp at QB
    ——-
    Beating the Patriots not once, but twice….

  142. My impersonation of a Pat’s Fan. (clearing throat) “OH TOMMY! I’M SO SORRY TOMMY! THEY’LL NEVER TEAR US APART! I LOVE YOU TOMMY! I WILL WAIT FOR YOU THOMAS! I WILL ALWAYS WAIT FOR YOU!”….there how was that?

  143. mmack66 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 11:15 AM
    How hilarious would it be if the Patriots are in, and win, the Super Bowl this season?
    —————————
    Yeah, Patriots fans were on with the 19-0 talk all season.

    Until they got beat in Denver.
    Then it was Superbowl winners.
    Until they got beat in Denver.

    Hopefully, they carry on on what no doubt will be christened as “Revenge Tour 2”

  144. Bad news for the Patriots, and but really bad news for the players. This enshrines Goodell as the absolute dictator over player discipline. Since the Second Circuit opinion allows Goodell to determine what the Collective Bargaining Agreement says and how it should be interpreted, and since he has appointed himself as the arbitrator, his disciplinary power is unrestrained. A lot you may enjoy watching Brady being suspended (a travesty in my opinion), but if Goodell decides to suspend one of your guys, there’s nothing you or the NFLPA can do about it. So enjoy it now, but don’t come crying to us later.

  145. As Much as I hate this ruling, it was never about TB’s guilt or innocence, it was always about how much power the commissioner’s office has. The NFLPA should be held in contempt for agreeing to the ridiculous powers granted to Roger Godell in the name of “The Integrity of the Game”. Unfortunately this does not preclude the commissioner’s office from exercising a lack of integrity in handing out punishment to individual players.

    One of the NFL’s best of all time will now lose 25% of his regular season despite hard evidence concluding that the offenses, alleged to have occurred, most likely never did. In any case equipment tampering was always just a $25K fine, paid by the club, but New England loses a first round pick and their star QB for 4 games. Integrity? Sounds like some jealous NFL franchises got their way today and the league’s integrity be damned. Also the commissioner’s power was asserted and he can be as arbitrary as he wants apparently.

  146. luckyforus says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:05 AM

    There’s plenty of circumstantial evidence that Brady was involved in a scheme to deflate footballs. How long has it been going on?

    Brady also lied to Wells and Goodell. Check the Wells report and the Goodell appeal transcripts.

    Brady said he didn’t know McNally or his game day responsibilities and Brady said he never discussed psi with McNally. Jastremski and McNally both said Brady knew McNally and his game day responsibility and McNally said he discussed psi with Brady. It’s right in the Wells report and Goodell transcripts. Brady lied plain and simple.

    It clear from the texts that Brady knew McNally and his responsibilities. Plus McNally was a 32 year over weight employee who used to travel with the team so it doesn’t pass the smell test. The Bird or Burt nickname is just deflection.

    How’s the deflator doing on his weight loss?
    ———
    It is extremely dishonest to continue to repeat this.

    Brady didn’t know Jim McNally as Jim McNally. He knew his as “Burt” which was a misheard variation of McNally’s nickname “Bird”.

    If you know someone only by his nickname and someone asks you if you know him and uses only his real name, are you going to answer yes?

    So, Brady knew Burt, not Jim McNally and he kind of knew what Burt did on game day.

    Also, Jim McNally was a game day employee and did not travel with the team.

  147. This is a Supreme Court Issue of the highest level since it affects all US citizens in the workplace.

    The NFL is waging a Political war with Frame-Gate.
    The very Image of the Patriots and the name cry out for U.S. to return to the True & Faithful Foundations of the Declaration of Independence which laid the Sure Foundation of the 1st & 2nd Amendments.
    The corruption of Goodel & the NFL is a WAKE-UP call to every American that the Fed is too Big and Corrupt and is resulting in the Polarization of our Country and the corruption of Justice.

    WE the PEOPLE are currently losing our Freedoms. The more power ‘WE’ give to Big Gov = NFL/Goodel, the more Corrupt big gov becomes.

  148. lambeauheap says:
    Jul 13, 2016 11:30 AM
    Since 2005 there have been 11 SB winners and only once did the Cheats win. So in 10/11 years other teams won and 2 teams won twice. So how do you get 31 losers. Maybe the IGL explains it. Or maybe it was the NFL conspiring in those years.

    A loser is a fan repeatedly acting like a buffoon supporting their cheating team ad nauseum.

    HMMMMM I wonder why loser 31 fan boy chose 2005?

    OOHHHHHH thats becauase the patriots won 3 of the previous 4 SBs!! OOHHHHHHHH

    Thats what loser fans do. They draw whatever inference or stats they want to make their point.

    And talk about “ad nauseum”, you have 40 comments on this thread alone! Get a life

    Your team is terrible, my team is the best ever, and you will still be crying about the pats long after this fiasco is over

    Carry on crybaby

    And this is why everyone hates Pats fans.

  149. Stupid Patsie’s **** bandwagon nation saying the Patsie’s**** go 4-0 anyway. It’s NEVER been about their record it’s all about branding a cheater a cheater. It’s all about making it known . Misiion accomplished let’s start the season.

  150. Roger Goodell is flawed. He’s lost my confidence from time to time. With that said, ultimately I do believe he wants the best for the NFL and at owners’ meetings, everyone knows what Robert Kraft is up to. Kraft thought that Goodell was going to be his hypnotized sissy slave if he “played along with the game.” Goodell showed he has balls here. He refuted one of his friends to do what was in the league’s best interests. Now, Rog, with that said, feel free to cast out the rapists and other scumbags from your midst. The NFL is the ultimate team game, as is football on all levels. No one is irreplaceable, not even you.

  151. The Court system should deal with sports as little as possible. The rules should be determined and enforced by the League. Pay disputes ought to be handled by arbitration with no recourse to courts. The Courts should deal with people who break the law like maintaining secret email servers or instigating riots against police, etc. Cheaters never prosper. The end.

  152. To the folks who say things like “Brady cheated”, “Everyone knows Brady cheated”, “He shouldn’t have cheated”, etc…

    The NFL in a court of law answered 2 times that they had no evidence of any cheating.

    So, it sounds like some of you are withholding evidence. Isn’t that punishable in a court of law?

    If you have evidence, by all means, lay your cards on the table! I’ll get my popcorn.

  153. How hilarious would it be if the Patriots are in, and win, the Super Bowl this season?

    ============================= There’s nothing more hilarious than Brady lying and cheating and getting caught.

    Actually there is. It’s Cheatriot fans acting like a bunch of buffoons. >

  154. On today’s Supreme Court docket:

    Simon v. Lanham Act (First Ammendment)
    Whole Women’s Health v. Cole (Abortion)
    Puerto Rico v. United States (loan default)
    United States v. Texas (Immigration)
    Zubik v. Burwell (Obamacare)
    Fisher v. University of Texas at Austin (Affirmative Action)

    Brady v. NFL (4 game suspension)

    Yeah, this case deserves to be taking up valuable time in the Supreme Court

    #deflatedballsmatter #smh

  155. flash1287 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:07 AM
    Reality? The Pats cheat as part of their team culture and will do absolutely anything to cover that up… end of story

    Please tell us what the “cheating as part of their team culture is”

    You can’t.
    _________________________________
    1) deflating footballs
    2) filming the other teams practices to learn their audibles and signals

    need me to continue?

  156. Jul 13, 2016 11:29 AM
    Jul 13, 2016 9:53 AM – firecracker87 says: I actually didn’t expect this. I would not have believed those judges really wanted to allow employers to be able to railroad their employees whenever and however they want.
    ———————————————————————
    Why not? There is, in essence, a signed document in which the players agreed: “In exchange for turning the practice schedule into Camp Cupcake, and other valuable consideration, we agree to let the commissioner be the absolute czar of disciplinary matters.“

    But that does not mean Goodell is free to violate Federal Labor Laws. One of the issues is the rule book clearly outlines what the punishment is for an equipment violation – Other Uniform/Equipment Violations; first offense: $5,787; second offense: $11,576

    But Goodell has gone far beyond what was clearly agreed upon in the CBA. Which, is at the heart of the issue and since he’s violated the agreement – hence the NFLPA is fighting it.

    Therefore, yes, again i’m a bit surprised any judge would rule in favor of Goodell on this.

  157. It’s a sad day for America in reality. It’s justice system has not found Brady guilty of any crime but has agreed that the NFL does not have to have proof that a crime was committed in order to penalize one of its greatest participants. And many of the followers cheered. That is sad.

  158. And this is why everyone hates Pats fans.

    Why because we defend our squad against moronic comments like those from “superpatriotsfan”? Obsessed much? At least I’m fanatic about my hometown team, you spend more time and energy on someone else’s, probably because yours is terrible. Oh well.

    Also, what happened luckyforyou (that brady was suspended), why won’t you answer my question on why you chose 2005?

  159. irongoats says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:53 AM
    And still no evidence
    —————————————————–
    lol, wow, have you been under a rock??

  160. Tom destroyed his phone and the NFL has clearly defined ability to discipline, per the CBA. It doesn’t matter if he is guilty of not of the ball deflation, he is suspended 4 games and there is nothing anybody can do about it.

    GO BILLS!!

  161. Is there anything that says Tom Brady has to miss the first four games? If not, the NFL can choose which four games. Suspend him for both Jets (Goodell) and Dolphins (Vincent) games. That could give those poor teams a slim chance.

  162. 1) deflating footballs
    2) filming the other teams practices to learn their audibles and signals

    need me to continue?

    Yes, please continue because the NFL itself said it had no evidence of deflating balls and the 2nd is just a factually incorrect lie made up by you. But I wouldn’t expect a crybaby to actually know anything, so I’ll wait

  163. mkesfinest says:
    Jul 13, 2016 11:28 AM

    Anyone paying any attention knew this was inevitable given the Second Circuit’s general refusal to grant petitions for rehearing.

    ——————————————————-

    While you make an excellent point, the Supreme Court option is even a more remote possibility and there are plenty of myopic patriot fans here who are counting on that to happen.

    The Supreme Court? LOL Brady’s ego knows no bounds.

    //See you in October, cheater

  164. It really is a no-win situation for Pats fans. Should the Pats win all 4 games with Jimmy as some so0 gleefully suggest, that would do nothing but cement the idea that Brady is just a system QB the Patsies would be fine with, or without.

    Should they lose all 4, or go 1-3, they lose that usual AFC East charity home field position and a Bowl run looks a lot less likely. It’s a lose-lose all the way.

    And now to address this guy:
    deacon85 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 11:40 AM
    Bad news for the Patriots, and but really bad news for the players. This enshrines Goodell as the absolute dictator over player discipline. Since the Second Circuit opinion allows Goodell to determine what the Collective Bargaining Agreement says and how it should be interpreted, and since he has appointed himself as the arbitrator, his disciplinary power is unrestrained. A lot you may enjoy watching Brady being suspended (a travesty in my opinion), but if Goodell decides to suspend one of your guys, there’s nothing you or the NFLPA can do about it. So enjoy it now, but don’t come crying to us later.
    ————————————————-

    “Don’t come crying to us later” is exactly what the Steelers tried to tell all the other teams after Goodell ran roughshod over them — i.e. don’t vote for the new CBA which will give Lord Goodell almost unlimited power. But did the Patriots listen? No, because Goodell wasn’t coming down on THEM. Now it’s non-stop tears.

    Your guys were warned. They went ahead and voted for it anyway. You got a problem now, don’t blame Goodell, take it up with Brady who merrily went along with the new agreement.

  165. Yes, please continue because the NFL itself said it had no evidence of deflating balls and the 2nd is just a factually incorrect lie made up by you. But I wouldn’t expect a crybaby to actually know anything, so I’ll wait

    ============================= The NFL said it has no direct evidence but there is plenty of circumstantial evidence and Brady lied.

    Pats taped signals during games = spy gate

    This is why we hate Cheatriot buffoons. Keep distorting the truth. >

  166. 1 out of 100 the Supreme Court hears this case. Leave than that they overturn the decision. It’s over.

  167. Take the 4 games Tom, let’s move on. Pat’s fan here, sick and tired of hearing about this honestly. Let Jimmy do his thing for 4 games, go 3 and 1 and sweep the rest of the season.

  168. billytodd2013blbaad says:
    Jul 13, 2016 12:05 PM
    flash1287 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:07 AM
    Reality? The Pats cheat as part of their team culture and will do absolutely anything to cover that up… end of story

    Please tell us what the “cheating as part of their team culture is”

    You can’t.
    _________________________________
    1) deflating footballs
    2) filming the other teams practices to learn their audibles and signals

    need me to continue?
    ————————————————————-
    Considering both of your examples were proven false, you probably should continue.

  169. Still calling Brady a “system” QB?

    And what “system” is it? West Coast Offense, Run-n-Shoot, K- Gun?

    What damn difference does it make. Do you think because Ben can toss it 70 yards that makes a difference?

    Brady isn’t the only QB to thrive in the short/ high percentage passing game. Football is still about moving the chains and marching to a score.

    How about if the Pats go 0-4 without Brady, wouldn’t that strengthen the argument for his ability. Didn’t Bill Polian say that the year Peyton missed the season and the Colts ended up with the 1st pick proved how valuable he was to the team.

  170. This decision was completely predictable by anyone who understands the law governing appeal process and is not intent on trying to prove how his prior predictions were right dispite the actual prior court rulings (such as because the Chief Judge was a dissenter, that this means anything special).

    And no, this does not mean the Court agreed that Brady cheated, it has solely to do with simple legal principles governing appeals.

  171. To all those celebrating this: If you can honestly say that you’re comfortable with the precedent that this sets, then your are incapable of a thought process.
    My guess is Goodell will be looking to get paid for this errand he’s been running for the Colts; just wonder what form of payment he’d like?

  172. Everybody (except those in New England market) know Brady is guilty as hell. Too much evidence and wacky spins and excuses. Where there is smoke, there is fire. If only Brady was honest and came out right away, everyone would have moved on. But no…the arrogance of the football elite.

  173. I logged on to see how delusional Pats fans still are and man more than ever, huh? Seems like way more than half of the fan base has no clue how SCOTUS operates.

  174. guadalahonky says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:35 AM

    veddermn8 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:13 AM

    No, Brady now needs to convince Justice Ginsberg to grant a stay and Brady will play all 16. A stay will put off any punishment until the Supreme Court decides whether to take it or not which will take the process into 2017.

    ———————————————–

    You up on the news at all? Ginsberg said yesterday that she thinks Donald Trump is a joke candidate, and Ruth Bader Ginsberg also knows that Brady is friends with Trump.

    There will be no Supreme Court, Hell the Second Circuit Court didn’t even want to touch this case.

    …..

    Am I “up on the news at all”? Uh, yea, I just stated the facts of what would be Brady’s next option. If Ginsberg takes Brady’s perceived politics (he’s never actually endorsed Trump) into this case, it would be really shortsighted on her part. She would be more worried about precedent setting than anything else, because that’s what justices do.

  175. braunliesandcheats says:
    Jul 13, 2016 12:57 PM

    Everybody (except those in New England market) know Brady is guilty as hell. Too much evidence and wacky spins and excuses. Where there is smoke, there is fire. If only Brady was honest and came out right away, everyone would have moved on. But no…the arrogance of the football elite.
    ….

    Only proven liar in this case is and was Goodell who even managed to lie in open court.

  176. Just gave me a reason not to purchase NFL ticket on Direct TV this year. I wish the entire Pats Nation would do the same, but they won’t. As long as the eye balls are on the TV Rodger will win. But football is a dying game. It will be a shell of itself in 15-20 years with the concussion issue.

  177. Well, there will be no football in 2021, that’s for sure. Of course, the game may not look much like football by then anyway.

  178. Shady should take the high road and issue a statement about how unfair the punishment is but that he will serve it for the integrity of the game.
    But that’s not what Libs do, they cry and whine until they get their way.

  179. Pats fans are funny.

    Yes, I’m sure the Supreme Court will take it up and maybe Congress will have special hearings.

    Heck maybe Obama can waive his sentence.

    It’ll all happen.

    I believe.

    PROVEN CHEATERS

    CHEATING CULTURE

    CHEATING PEOPLE

  180. teal379 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 11:25 AM

    Brady dominates all? We all want him as our QB?

    Why?

    Aaron Rodgers is 1-0 vs Brady
    Aaron Rodgers is 1-0 vs Manning

    He’s 1-1 against Ben and 2-2 against both Eli and Brees.

    I’d say he’s doing better, on average, against the best QB’s in the league than TB is.

    I’ll stick with Aaron over Tom – thanks.
    ….

    Brady is 5-2 against Big Ben., and 8-2 against Pitt overall, where did you get 1-1 from?

  181. rex2020 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 1:35 PM
    I hope Gizelle is ok??? I’m there for you

    ————

    Well, Tom will be around the house more. Poor girl, talk about collateral damage.

  182. Only proven liar in this case is and was Goodell who even managed to lie in open court. =============================== Brady lied at the Goodell hearing and to Wells. That’s a fact.

    >

  183. Listening to Patriots fans up on their soapboxes yelling about the American justice system is hilarious and sickening at the same time.

    They live in some fantasy land.

    “I think all Patriot fans should boycott the entire upcoming NFL season as a way to protest the sickening way Goodell has handled this entire process”

    Here’s a guy who’s so full of himself and his Patriots that he actually thinks they have enough singular power to make a difference to the NFL by boycotting. Fact is the rest of us would be just ecstatic you weren’t around spouting all your nonsense. If you did that we would all become Goodell supporters.

    ” I am done with the NFL after this”

    Good because you were always a fair-weather fan that never really cared about football anyway. But your co-workers just couldn’t stop talking about the Patriots and Tom Brady so you wanted to have fun too and started paying attention.

    You aren’t a football fan you are a Patriots fan and there is a difference in your case. Don’t let the door hit you in the fanny on the way out.

  184. witchrunner says:
    Jul 13, 2016 1:43 PM
    Well, there will be no football in 2021, that’s for sure. Of course, the game may not look much like football by then anyway.

    ———

    Bah, the union cares, but we’ll see if any players really want to skip paychecks to curb Goodells power.

    Chances are they will deal this away again for more money.

  185. smarterthanyouoryours says:
    Jul 13, 2016 3:08 PM

    If Brady and Bellichick are so great as so many claim,

    why do they keep cheating?
    ———————

    The simple answer is that they don’t cheat. Even that isn’t simple enough for the simpletons, though.

  186. The simple answer is that they don’t cheat. Even that isn’t simple enough for the simpletons, though.

    But they have been caught cheating. Even that isn’t simple enough for the delusional Pats fans.

  187. jeremy2020 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 4:15 PM

    It’s time to invalidate the Superbowl winds that Patriots cheated their way to..
    ————————-

    Which winds would those be?

  188. superpatriotsfan says:
    Jul 13, 2016 3:44 PM

    But they have been caught cheating. Even that isn’t simple enough for the delusional Pats fans.
    —————————-

    Don’t think for yourself or anything.

    Simpleton.

  189. luckyforus says:
    Jul 13, 2016 2:22 PM
    Only proven liar in this case is and was Goodell who even managed to lie in open court. =============================== Brady lied at the Goodell hearing and to Wells. That’s a fact.
    ===========================
    And we have only you to swear to it. Not even the NFL, just you.

  190. It is perfectly understandable if you feel the suspension is unfair. I’m a Jet fan. I hate Tom Brady more than anyone in sports, and even I think this whole thing is ridiculous. Even if he did something wrong, which I doubt, fine the guy $10,000 and let him play. But.

    All the people whining about “incompetent judges” are misunderstanding the LEGAL issue before the judges: does Roger Goodell, under the bargaining agreement, have broad authority to suspend players? The court ruled that, under the bargaining agreement, he has that power…because he does that have power. The court did not rule on whether Brady did anything wrong or what science metric should be used to measure the balls, or whether Goodell is a clown. The LEGAL issue is whether the agreement gives Goodell the power to suspend Brady. It does. That the suspension is stupid is not for the court to decide. I am sure to some of you, this is a silly thing to bring up, but it’s not. The court and the government should never overreach. It is not within the court’s authority to decide whether Brady cheated, just like it’s not within the Court’s authority to determine whether your son needs to eat more vegetables. Your house, your rules. NFL’s house, NFL’s rules. All the court can do is determine whether the bargaining agreement gives Goodell the power to do what he did, even if Goodell’s conclusions are wrong.

  191. What makes Brady and the NFLPA think the US Supreme Court will waste it’s time on a frivolous case like this. They have more imprtant things to do.

  192. 1) And no, this does not mean the Court agreed that Brady cheated, it has solely to do with simple legal principles governing appeals.

    2) My guess is Goodell will be looking to get paid for this errand he’s been running for the Colts; just wonder what form of payment he’d like?

    ———————–
    1) Right, this whole thing actually was not about cheating. It was about the arrogance of the NE organization and Goodell’s desire to remind them that they are one of 32 teams

    2) It wasn’t just the owner of the Colts who wanted this result. Plenty of other owners are still stung from Spygate. They wanted the hammer. Goodell brought it.

    Blame the other owners and your own team’s arrogance for letting it get this far.

  193. The USSC will not hear an appeal. He will serve the suspension. On the positive side, he should be healthier for the off season if the Patriots can weather his loss in the first four games.

    Although I think Brady was hiding something on his cell phone, I do not think deflating balls had any outcome on the playoff game. Brady should have come clean and allowed access to relevant cell phone messages. The penalty seems a reaction to the cover up, not the incident.

    Brady has had a tremendous career. He is a money quarterback, playing well under pressure in major games. His performance at the end of the 2016 AFC playoff was superb with two extremely clutch throws against a monster defense. He came up short on the extra point throw, but getting to the that point showed his clutch play.

  194. brianjoates says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:04 AM

    Ultimately its just a few football games and Brady and his family have no financial concerns for generations. He goes first ballot HOF.
    ——————————————————
    And will still have the stigma of being a CHEATER!

  195. I am happy for one reason (outside of justice), that Brady’s legacy will be forever tainted because of this. I strongly suspect he was aided by the illegal filming so this is doubly satisfying.

  196. gotdebttoo says:
    Jul 13, 2016 5:21 PM

    1) Right, this whole thing actually was not about cheating. It was about the arrogance of the NE organization and Goodell’s desire to remind them that they are one of 32 teams

    2) It wasn’t just the owner of the Colts who wanted this result. Plenty of other owners are still stung from Spygate. They wanted the hammer. Goodell brought it.
    ——————————-

    So the NFL perpetrated a fraud, and wasted millions of taxpayer/football fan dollars, all because of spite?

    Exactly what were other owners stung about in relation to Spygate? They want the hammer for what?

    The Patriots damned near went 19-0 right after Spygate, and they won the Super Bowl right after Psigate, so what exactly has Goodell or these 31 owners accomplished, other than wasting a bunch of money on lawyers?

    Just imagine if those owners, instead of futilely trying to drag the Patriots down to their level, took a look at their own teams, and put forth an effort to make them better.

  197. whatjusthapped says:
    Jul 13, 2016 6:02 PM

    I am happy for one reason (outside of justice), that Brady’s legacy will be forever tainted because of this. I strongly suspect he was aided by the illegal filming so this is doubly satisfying.
    ————————–

    Brady is a first ballot hall of famer, regardless of what a few delusional bozos think.

    What illegal filming is your delusional mind referring to?

  198. If I were Brady I wouldn’t give my personal phone to the NFL, and that’s really why he’s being suspended. Meanwhile, LeSean McCoy receives no suspension despite being involved in a bar brawl.

  199. If I were Brady I wouldn’t give my personal phone to the NFL, and that’s really why he’s being suspended. Meanwhile, LeSean McCoy receives no suspension despite being involved in a bar brawl.

    ============================== Brady was never asked to turn over his phone. You don’t even know the facts. And Brady was suspended for a scheme to deflate footballs and for not totally cooperating. Comparing that to a bar fight is ridiculous.

    >

  200. Brady is a first ballot hall of famer, regardless of what a few delusional bozos think.

    What illegal filming is your delusional mind referring to?

    =============================

    Tommy Pinocchio Brady’s legacy will still be tarnished forever. Only a delusional bozo would think he’s innocent.

    Illegal filming = spy gate = tapes destroyed. I forgot the buffoons think that was just a misunderstanding of a memo.

    >

  201. luckyforus says:
    Jul 13, 2016 7:15 PM

    Brady was never asked to turn over his phone. You don’t even know the facts. And Brady was suspended for a scheme to deflate footballs and for not totally cooperating. Comparing that to a bar fight is ridiculous.
    ———————————–

    Brady was suspended for maybe being aware that two other guys might have deflated footballs.

    That scheme nonsense didn’t show up until after the appeal hearing, when Goodell thought his lies wouldn’t be made public.

    As arbitrary as he is, I can’t imagine Goodell would suspend a player for getting into a bar fight, especially since no charges were filed.

  202. braunliesandcheats says:
    Jul 13, 2016 12:57 PM

    Everybody (except those in New England market) know Brady is guilty as hell. Too much evidence and wacky spins and excuses. Where there is smoke, there is fire.

    ————————————————————-
    Except the NFL admitted in court that they had NO DIRECT EVIDENCE. So how does that translate to “guilty as hell”?
    Plus the NFL has been found to have committed “56 nfl lies related to deflategate”.

    The NFL is also hiding evidence which vindicates Tom Brady. The information from the 2015/2016 season where they tested the PSI in footballs to see if the weather was affects the pressure. Since this information provides evidence that the PSI in footballs lowers naturally when the footballs are used in cold weather the NFL is keeping it secret.

    Hopefully there are some intelligent people outside of New England can understand science and won’t believe that no direct evidence = “guilty as hell”.

  203. braunliesandcheats says:
    Jul 13, 2016 12:57 PM

    Everybody (except those in New England market) know Brady is guilty as hell. Too much evidence and wacky spins and excuses. Where there is smoke, there is fire.
    ————————————————————-
    Except the NFL admitted in court that they had NO DIRECT EVIDENCE. So how does that translate to “guilty as hell”?
    Plus the NFL has been found to have committed “56 nfl deflategate lies”.

    The NFL is also hiding evidence which vindicates Tom Brady. The information from the 2015/2016 season where they tested the PSI in footballs to see if the weather was affects the pressure. Since this information provides evidence that the PSI in footballs lowers naturally when the footballs are used in cold weather the NFL is keeping it secret.

    Hopefully there are some intelligent people outside of New England can understand science and don’t believe that no direct evidence = “guilty as hell”.

  204. This is outrageous. They will call it the OJ or the Brady rule on discipline. If you are cheater and you get caught, if you have enough money you can get out of it.

  205. BradyIsTheGCOAT says:
    Jul 13, 2016 7:46 PM

    A lot of mouth breathing cheat fans will be crying into their bud lights / cranberry juice tonight.

    —————————————————————

    It seems that the poster is by process of elimination stating that Patriot haters speak and breathe from a different part of their bodies than their mouths.

    Judging from the spew of the Patriots haters post on PFT they must have gotten a volume license for one of those programs that converts talk into text. It’s obvious that the haters are not using their mouths to talk. Hopefully they have adequate ventilation.

  206. mrmcdougle says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:36 AM

    If there’s one thing we can all learn from the last two Patriot legal proceedings (Hernandez and Brady):
    The theory of the spoliation inference is that when a party destroys evidence, it may be reasonable to infer that the party had “consciousness of guilt” or other motivation to avoid the evidence. Therefore, the factfinder may conclude that the evidence would have been unfavorable to the spoliator.

    Most lawyers, such as Wells, are familiar with this.

    Since Brady gave all cell data and went above and beyond and handed over emails, your point proves his innocence. And since the NFL denied full discovery and witness access and did not release the PSI data, according to you, this proves they were hiding something and were completely wrong. Thanks!

  207. Jets fan here. As much as I would like to revel in this decision, this issue is something that stretches beyond just the game of football. This is a blow to worker rights. While it’s easy to say these guys make tons of money “who cares?”, for every worker that doesn’t make that type money and is in a union, this decision sets a precedent that gives unquestioned power to their employers. Brady has proven that he doesn’t need to deflate balls to win. I personally would rather have my team beat him on it than off at the expense of the game and at the expense of labor relations.

  208. ampatsisahypocrite says:

    “Don’t come crying to us later” is exactly what the Steelers tried to tell all the other teams after Goodell ran roughshod over them
    ————————–
    You may have a point there. I never paid a lot of attention to disciplinary actions imposed on other teams. But this one is so much in the public eye that everyone should know about it. Goodell has screwed the Steelers, Saints, Patriots and most recently the Chiefs. But he’s still got all the other owners in his camp, so until they negotiate a new CBA he still has unlimited power, which other teams and fans will find out at their peril.

  209. Looking forward to another great year from Tom Brady, the greatest QB of all time playing for the greatest coach of all time. The greatest NFL Dynasty of all time rolls on.

  210. braunliesandcheats says:
    Jul 13, 2016 12:57 PM

    Everybody (except those in New England market) know Brady is guilty as hell. Too much evidence and wacky spins and excuses. Where there is smoke, there is fire. If only Brady was honest and came out right away, everyone would have moved on. But no…the arrogance of the football elite.
    **************
    There are those who say that Shady is still fighting because he’s innocent. Some think he’s fighting because his ego is too big to admit that he doesn’t play by the rules. I think he’s afraid that Garoppolo is going to outshine him and he’s going to lose the starter job. I wish he’d just pack up his helmet and his Uggs and leave the game for good. What a sissy!

  211. The revisionist history going on around here is pretty funny…and sad at the same time. Pats fans desperately trying still. Desperate is exactly the word I mean, it’s how they sound. It’s all slipping away, all the talks between themselves, all the water-cooler convos about Tom getting off and how justice would prevail. NOPE. Worst part is how they have all talked back and forth enough that they now have an “argument” for the whole thing all sorted out and they all repeat it again and again as if we hadn’t heard it.

    Pats fans, you need to realize that most of the other teams in the league hate you enough that we all remember the first three or four days of this thing like it happened yesterday. Most teams hate you the fans watched this go down with glee. It was on the 24 hour news cycle. We had it all bashed into our heads for weeks and weeks. Even grandmas found out about how Tom Brady cheats. It was quite obvious at the time to everyone.

    We remember Bill up there in the first interview immediately distancing himself from it, distancing himself from Brady.

    We remember Brady up there in his first interview like a deer in the headlights. He was so unprepared at the time. Everyone who watched that knew the truth.

    Then the texts came out. We all were like OH YEAH WE KNEW IT ALL ALONG.

    Now, you Pats fans have tried your hardest over the last couple years with kids on school projects, scientists doing papers on gas laws and whatnot, to make us all forget what we actually saw and felt for ourselves.

    It’s like we all saw you pull that ace out of your sleeve plain as day but here you are trying to count the cards showing us that there aren’t any extras etc.

    Not happening! We all remember tom’s face in the cameras when the questions first started…he was so busted and it was so obvious.

    I’m sorry it was your QB, your team. I completely understand you wanting to fight and claw right to the bitter end about it. I don’t blame you at all.

    But don’t for one second think that all the actual fans of football that cared at the time will ever forget how that all went down. Guilty as hell and I don’t care about your yapping about lack of “evidence”. I know what I know, I saw what I saw.

    Time has changed nothing, we remember it all like it was yesterday. Serve your sentence. Get on with your lives.

  212. veddermn8 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:14 PM

    Since Brady gave all cell data and went above and beyond and handed over emails, your point proves his innocence. And since the NFL denied full discovery and witness access and did not release the PSI data, according to you, this proves they were hiding something and were completely wrong. Thanks!

    ——————————-

    Actually you are incorrect. Brady handed over cell phone records from the phone company, not the data that was on his cell phone. Even then he only turned it over at the appeal. Therefore it was not a consideration in the original ruling.

    What this means is that he could show the league who he texted but not the contents of the texts. The league would have to go to each individual person listed and ask them if they still have the contents of the text message from a year ago. If not or if they didn’t want to share it, the league had no power to compell them.

    Rather than going to door to door begging people for information that was on a phone that was willfully destroyed, the league denied what was purely a PR move with no substance.

  213. eagleswin says:
    Jul 14, 2016 6:57 AM
    Actually you are incorrect. Brady handed over cell phone records from the phone company, not the data that was on his cell phone. Even then he only turned it over at the appeal. Therefore it was not a consideration in the original ruling.

    What this means is that he could show the league who he texted but not the contents of the texts. The league would have to go to each individual person listed and ask them if they still have the contents of the text message from a year ago. If not or if they didn’t want to share it, the league had no power to compell them.

    Rather than going to door to door begging people for information that was on a phone that was willfully destroyed, the league denied what was purely a PR move with no substance.
    =================
    Rubbish. It really isn’t that hard to look for three phone numbers. The three people who touch the footballs. Worse case you are talking about three people to look into further. All of which the NFL had the logs for already. The phone is nonsense. If it was that big of a deal Brady would have never provided the logs to begin with. A person with everything to hide would never have done that.

  214. eagleswin says:
    Jul 14, 2016 6:57 AM

    veddermn8 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:14 PM

    Since Brady gave all cell data and went above and beyond and handed over emails, your point proves his innocence. And since the NFL denied full discovery and witness access and did not release the PSI data, according to you, this proves they were hiding something and were completely wrong. Thanks!

    ——————————-

    Actually you are incorrect. Brady handed over cell phone records from the phone company, not the data that was on his cell phone. Even then he only turned it over at the appeal. Therefore it was not a consideration in the original ruling.

    What this means is that he could show the league who he texted but not the contents of the texts. The league would have to go to each individual person listed and ask them if they still have the contents of the text message from a year ago. If not or if they didn’t want to share it, the league had no power to compell them.

    Rather than going to door to door begging people for information that was on a phone that was willfully destroyed, the league denied what was purely a PR move with no substance.
    ————————————–

    They had Bill’s phone, Jastremski’s phone, and McNally’s phone. It would have been a simple matter to search for those three numbers, and see if there was any discrepancies between the data on Brady’s phone and those 3 phones.

    Since there were absolutely zero texts relating to the deflation of footballs below 12.5PSI between Brady and Jastremski, the odds are that there would have been none between anyone else either.

    Regardless of all of that, Brady was advised to not turn over the contents of his phone so as not to create a precedent for the league. He only did so at the appeal hearing because they made Mount Everest out of an ant hill.

    Goodell then had the audacity to lie about Brady getting a new phone, and characterized it as Brady destroying his phone to hide evidence, which is ridiculous. Of course, he thought his lie would never be made public, but Berman upset his apple cart.

  215. jmethane says:
    Jul 14, 2016 12:13 AM

    The revisionist history going on around here is pretty funny…and sad at the same time. Pats fans desperately trying still. Desperate is exactly the word I mean, it’s how they sound. It’s all slipping away, all the talks between themselves, all the water-cooler convos about Tom getting off and how justice would prevail. NOPE. Worst part is how they have all talked back and forth enough that they now have an “argument” for the whole thing all sorted out and they all repeat it again and again as if we hadn’t heard it.

    Pats fans, you need to realize that most of the other teams in the league hate you enough that we all remember the first three or four days of this thing like it happened yesterday. Most teams hate you the fans watched this go down with glee. It was on the 24 hour news cycle. We had it all bashed into our heads for weeks and weeks. Even grandmas found out about how Tom Brady cheats. It was quite obvious at the time to everyone.

    We remember Bill up there in the first interview immediately distancing himself from it, distancing himself from Brady.

    We remember Brady up there in his first interview like a deer in the headlights. He was so unprepared at the time. Everyone who watched that knew the truth.

    Then the texts came out. We all were like OH YEAH WE KNEW IT ALL ALONG.

    Now, you Pats fans have tried your hardest over the last couple years with kids on school projects, scientists doing papers on gas laws and whatnot, to make us all forget what we actually saw and felt for ourselves.

    It’s like we all saw you pull that ace out of your sleeve plain as day but here you are trying to count the cards showing us that there aren’t any extras etc.

    Not happening! We all remember tom’s face in the cameras when the questions first started…he was so busted and it was so obvious.

    I’m sorry it was your QB, your team. I completely understand you wanting to fight and claw right to the bitter end about it. I don’t blame you at all.

    But don’t for one second think that all the actual fans of football that cared at the time will ever forget how that all went down. Guilty as hell and I don’t care about your yapping about lack of “evidence”. I know what I know, I saw what I saw.

    Time has changed nothing, we remember it all like it was yesterday. Serve your sentence. Get on with your lives.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    “ats fans, you need to realize that most of the other teams in the league hate you enough that we all remember the first three or four days of this thing like it happened yesterday. ”

    Man, I’, truly losing faith that there is someone on the other 31 that can make an intelligent well though argument against Brady in this whole mess.

    With that sentence above in quotes, you’ve disqualified yourself from the potential winners.

    You mention “Hate”. End of story.

    You and all the other 31 HATE Brady; which automatically disqualifies YOU from being rational, objective and intelligent about this topic.

    You lose. Thanks for playing!

    We all remember the beginning of this as well.

    We remember Mort’s slanderous report that stayed posted on BSPN clouding the entire country’s view point of this Frame job.
    We remember the Colts staff deflating the intercepted ball even more. We remember Pash stating ” you guys are caught now!” with such glee, making it clear the fix was in.

    We remember Walt Anderson recalling that he used the gauge that exonerated NE, but Wells dismissing Walt Anderson best recollection.

    We remember the Wells report finding ZERO evidence of any wrong doing.We remember, Roger lying repeatedly to continue the ruse on the NFL public to serve his masters , the owners of the other 31.

    Keeping telling yourself whatever you like. Keep fooling your self. No skin off our backs. No amount your BS is going to change the fact that NE got railroaded in this framejob and the overwhelming majority of the country knows this.

    Except those “fans” who HATE Tom Brady

  216. deacon85 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:53 PM
    You may have a point there. I never paid a lot of attention to disciplinary actions imposed on other teams. But this one is so much in the public eye that everyone should know about it. Goodell has screwed the Steelers, Saints, Patriots and most recently the Chiefs. But he’s still got all the other owners in his camp, so until they negotiate a new CBA he still has unlimited power, which other teams and fans will find out at their peril.
    =====================
    Can’t wait for the players to leave money on the table to neuter Goodell. When the work stoppage comes it will lay solely at the feet of Goodell.

  217. eagleswin says:
    Jul 14, 2016 6:57 AM
    veddermn8 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:14 PM

    Brady handed over cell phone records from the phone company, not the data that was on his cell phone. Even then he only turned it over at the appeal. Therefore it was not a consideration in the original ruling.

    What this means is that he could show the league who he texted but not the contents of the texts. The league would have to go to each individual person listed and ask them if they still have the contents of the text message from a year ago.
    ___________________________________

    Kevin Draper authored a Deadspin article last August regarding the destroyed cell phone. In that article he wrote the following:

    “Brady was able to obtain a log of all his phone calls and text messages, and since he had not changed phone numbers, this included calls and messages during the mysterious four-month gap. These were cross-referenced against communications listed in the Wells Report, and for the most part (with the exception of three missing texts) they matched, as Wells was given access to both Jastremski and McNally’s Patriots-supplied work phones.”

    The NFL would not have to go to each individual listed, but just follow up on the three texts that were not already included in the Wells Report. It’s not that task was not too difficult. The bottom line is that the NFL had no interest in doing anything that would undermine their conclusion.

  218. mmack66 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 7:24 PM
    As arbitrary as he is, I can’t imagine Goodell would suspend a player for getting into a bar fight, especially since no charges were filed.
    ==================
    I’d take that bet and twice on Tuesday. The irony is there is absolutely nothing stopping him from doing so now. Heck. He doesn’t even need to provide notice a player can get suspended due to a bar fight. smh

  219. Is it true that the NFL Network’s Jamie Dukes said that Brady should just accept his suspension due to the current state of the country after the Dallas police shootings? Really?

  220. if Brady wants to blame someone, he should blame the NFLPA for signing off on a CBA that gives Badell so much power. And his attempt to circumvent the CBA agreement via US courts was both futile and sleazy. Suck it up, Tom. Serve the suspension like a man and move on. You lost.

  221. bubba703 says:
    Jul 14, 2016 10:56 AM
    if Brady wants to blame someone, he should blame the NFLPA for signing off on a CBA that gives Badell so much power. And his attempt to circumvent the CBA agreement via US courts was both futile and sleazy. Suck it up, Tom. Serve the suspension like a man and move on. You lost.
    ===================
    First off that’s a myth. The commissioner has the same power that has been in place for decades. The only thing that has changed is the person wielding the power.

    And yeah, Tom has been trying to circumvent the CBA agreement. Rolleyes.

  222. eagleswin says:
    Jul 14, 2016 6:57 AM

    veddermn8 says:
    Jul 13, 2016 9:14 PM

    Since Brady gave all cell data and went above and beyond and handed over emails, your point proves his innocence. And since the NFL denied full discovery and witness access and did not release the PSI data, according to you, this proves they were hiding something and were completely wrong. Thanks!

    ——————————-

    Actually you are incorrect. Brady handed over cell phone records from the phone company, not the data that was on his cell phone. Even then he only turned it over at the appeal. Therefore it was not a consideration in the original ruling.

    What this means is that he could show the league who he texted but not the contents of the texts. The league would have to go to each individual person listed and ask them if they still have the contents of the text message from a year ago. If not or if they didn’t want to share it, the league had no power to compell them.

    Rather than going to door to door begging people for information that was on a phone that was willfully destroyed, the league denied what was purely a PR move with no substance.
    ….

    The NFL has no right to compel the production of private property from its players. And, with their aggressive disdain for privacy, they proved they couldn’t handle the privilege even if they could. Goodell stated prior to the appeal proceeding he would welcome any new findings. He was presented with all of Brady’s cell data and a vigorous scientific defense of Brady. He rejected it and also rejected complete evidentiary access and witness access . He also claimed Wells was independent yet NFL attys edited the report and then hired a Wells colleague to represent the NFL at the appeal, which he also presided over. Then he leaked Brady’s emails and nfl.com posted a false story that Brady wanted the appeal record sealed when in fact, he asked for it to be public and Goodell denied the request (another instance of willful hiding). Then he lies in his appeal decision, completely misrepresenting Brady’s testimony ( a form of evidence tampering) and continues the lie in open court with Paul Clement back in March. Then he willfully avoids releasing the PSI data after saying for several years “we have to get better, we have to be more transparent”, showing even more willful obstruction. Thanks again for making my point and teaching me a new word.

  223. if Brady wants to blame someone, he should blame the NFLPA for signing off on a CBA that gives Badell so much power. And his attempt to circumvent the CBA agreement via US courts was both futile and sleazy. Suck it up, Tom. Serve the suspension like a man and move on. You lost. =============================

    Brady should only blaming himself. If he didn’t cheat he wouldn’t have to worry about the CBA.

    >

  224. Keeping telling yourself whatever you like. Keep fooling your self. No skin off our backs.

    ——

    Yeah right, no skin off your backs…just a four game suspension and an eternity of people saying the Patriots are cheaters…no skin at all.

    Keep telling yourself that.

    Oh by the way, most people hate cheaters. It isn’t just the patriots. You aren’t that special. Just another cheater. Yes, we hate cheaters…so our opinions are invalid? You keep telling yourself that.

    So little skin off your back that you are in here defending to the end two years later. Haha right.

  225. Hmm, let’s see. The Cardinals are excellent, the Bills were not that far from beating the Patriots last year and the Dolphins stopped the Patriots from getting HFA last season. The Patriots also lost to Brock Osweiler last season so 0-4 is not necessarily inexplicable. It’s tough for 0-4 teams to make the playoffs.

  226. Man did I ever make the right decision to take the day off yesterday and spend it with my wife. Otherwise I would have wasted my day away here.

    Timing is everything.

  227. jmethane says:
    Jul 13, 2016 2:39 PM
    Listening to Patriots fans up on their soapboxes yelling about the American justice system is hilarious and sickening at the same time.

    They live in some fantasy land.

    “I think all Patriot fans should boycott the entire upcoming NFL season as a way to protest the sickening way Goodell has handled this entire process”

    Here’s a guy who’s so full of himself and his Patriots that he actually thinks they have enough singular power to make a difference to the NFL by boycotting. Fact is the rest of us would be just ecstatic you weren’t around spouting all your nonsense. If you did that we would all become Goodell supporters.

    ” I am done with the NFL after this”

    Good because you were always a fair-weather fan that never really cared about football anyway. But your co-workers just couldn’t stop talking about the Patriots and Tom Brady so you wanted to have fun too and started paying attention.

    You aren’t a football fan you are a Patriots fan and there is a difference in your case. Don’t let the door hit you in the fanny on the way out.

    Bravo, sir. Bravo!

  228. jmethane says:
    Jul 14, 2016 12:13 AM

    The revisionist history going on around here is pretty funny…and sad at the same time. Pats fans desperately trying still. Desperate is exactly the word I mean, it’s how they sound. It’s all slipping away, all the talks between themselves, all the water-cooler convos about Tom getting off and how justice would prevail. NOPE. Worst part is how they have all talked back and forth enough that they now have an “argument” for the whole thing all sorted out and they all repeat it again and again as if we hadn’t heard it.

    Pats fans, you need to realize that most of the other teams in the league hate you enough that we all remember the first three or four days of this thing like it happened yesterday. Most teams hate you the fans watched this go down with glee. It was on the 24 hour news cycle. We had it all bashed into our heads for weeks and weeks. Even grandmas found out about how Tom Brady cheats. It was quite obvious at the time to everyone.

    We remember Bill up there in the first interview immediately distancing himself from it, distancing himself from Brady.

    We remember Brady up there in his first interview like a deer in the headlights. He was so unprepared at the time. Everyone who watched that knew the truth.

    Then the texts came out. We all were like OH YEAH WE KNEW IT ALL ALONG.

    Now, you Pats fans have tried your hardest over the last couple years with kids on school projects, scientists doing papers on gas laws and whatnot, to make us all forget what we actually saw and felt for ourselves.

    It’s like we all saw you pull that ace out of your sleeve plain as day but here you are trying to count the cards showing us that there aren’t any extras etc.

    Not happening! We all remember tom’s face in the cameras when the questions first started…he was so busted and it was so obvious.

    I’m sorry it was your QB, your team. I completely understand you wanting to fight and claw right to the bitter end about it. I don’t blame you at all.

    But don’t for one second think that all the actual fans of football that cared at the time will ever forget how that all went down. Guilty as hell and I don’t care about your yapping about lack of “evidence”. I know what I know, I saw what I saw.

    Time has changed nothing, we remember it all like it was yesterday. Serve your sentence. Get on with your lives.
    ————————

    It’s hilarious that you celebrate the fact that you are a dupe, having swallowed the NFL lies hook, line, sinker, rod, and boat.

    Sounds like you are the one that needs to build a bridge and get over it.

  229. None of this case has any merit. How can you have two sets of footballs each with PSI lower than originally inflated . Yet one set is considered intentionally deflated while the other also under inflated is ignored. If it was the Patriots taking the air out their balls to gain an advantage , then who took the same amount of air out of the Colts balls ??
    Anyone ???

  230. The utter desperation of the people that follow this team is very sad. But very enjoyable.

  231. fireroger. yes of course the CBA has been in place for years, and it’s been badly written for a long time. Brady is the first player to try to overturn it by fighting the decision in US court as far as he did instead of via the CBA (that’s called circumventing). You can roll your eyes until you’re crosseyed for I care, and hate Goodell until he takes his golden parachute. At the end of the day, it’s just like what the Patriots do any time they meet the Giants in a SuperBowl…they LOST (winking eye). Time to move on.

  232. bubba703 says:
    Jul 14, 2016 1:42 PM
    fireroger. yes of course the CBA has been in place for years, and it’s been badly written for a long time. Brady is the first player to try to overturn it by fighting the decision in US court as far as he did instead of via the CBA (that’s called circumventing). You can roll your eyes until you’re crosseyed for I care, and hate Goodell until he takes his golden parachute. At the end of the day, it’s just like what the Patriots do any time they meet the Giants in a SuperBowl…they LOST (winking eye). Time to move on.
    ================================
    I’m only objecting to the notion of Brady trying to circumvent the CBA. And no, there’s PLENTY of players that have fought player discipline. Every one lays at the feet of Goodell. Brady is only the latest. To claim his battle was about circumventing the CBA is laughable not to mention wholly incorrect.

  233. bubba703 says:
    Jul 14, 2016 1:42 PM

    fireroger. yes of course the CBA has been in place for years, and it’s been badly written for a long time. Brady is the first player to try to overturn it by fighting the decision in US court as far as he did instead of via the CBA (that’s called circumventing).
    —————————–

    The NFL was the first to file to have the court uphold Brady’s suspension. When that went sideways and Berman vacated the suspension, the NFL filed again to appeal Berman’s ruling.

    As far as circumventing the CBA, that is actually what Goodell has done.

  234. Brady is a cheater, the Pats are cheaters, that’s been proven again and again. Just accept that asterisk on the SB trophies, I’d rather my team cheat and win than play by the rules and lose. I mean that, as a Bucs fan, I really do mean that. I don’t care what they do so long as they win.

  235. Jul 14, 2016 8:51 PM
    Headline:

    TROLLS WIN THE PUBLIC OPINION BOWL!

    Neat! Troll high fives all around!

    When is the trophy ceremony for that?

    Awe, poor trolls, you don’t get any validation or recognition for that…neither does you team.

    On the other hand, patriot fans can pull up NFL.com and get both. Or we can drive down to 1 Patriot Place and take a picture with all FOUR Super Bowl trophies and rings.

    So, have fun yelling “Cheater” at your TV when the Patriots are on prime time again and again…Enjoy knowing that no one in New England can hear your whimpers and your crying over puffs of air and warm Gatorade.

    The only time you are heard by Patriot fans is when come on these message boards to mock you and slapped you around with Science, logic and facts.

    Make sure to tune in to see TB12 and the Patriots make another deep playoff run, filled with validation and recognition…

    You Mad Bro?

    Patriot Fans win, crybaby trolls lose…again.

  236. luckyforus says:
    Jul 13, 2016 10:05 AM

    Brady also lied to Wells and Goodell. Check the Wells report and the Goodell appeal transcripts.

    Can I get a quote to back that up, I can give you plenty where Goodell lied

  237. luckyforus says:
    Jul 14, 2016 11:18 AM

    if Brady wants to blame someone, he should blame the NFLPA for signing off on a CBA that gives Badell so much power. And his attempt to circumvent the CBA agreement via US courts was both futile and sleazy. Suck it up, Tom. Serve the suspension like a man and move on. You lost. =============================

    Brady should only blaming himself. If he didn’t cheat he wouldn’t have to worry about the CBA.

    ……..

    Thats the thing about science, luckyforus, it doesnt care if you dont believe in it, it just keeps rolling along.

  238. luckyforus says: Jul 13, 2016 10:05 AM

    Brady also lied to Wells and Goodell. Check the Wells report and the Goodell appeal transcripts.

    Can I get a quote to back that up, I can give you plenty where Goodell lied

    ===============================

    Josh Alper

    Brady said prior to the AFCCG he didn’t know McNally by name and his game day responsibilities and Brady said he never discussed psi with McNally. Jastremski stated in the Wells report that Brady knew McNally and his game day responsibilities. McNally said he discussed psi with Brady.

    Refer to pages 19 (last paragraph) and continued to page 20 of the Wells report.

    Also pages 122,123 and 124, and 139 and 140 of the Goodell appeal transcripts.

    I made it easy for you. Google these 2 PDFs. Brady lied. And don’t distract the truth by saying Brady only knew McNally by Burt prior the the AFCCG. It’s irrelevant as Brady knew after his real name when he testified before Wells and Goodell. months after the game.

    You lose again. Brady’s legacy is forever tainted. Sad cause he’s a great QB.

    >

  239. None of this case has any merit. How can you have two sets of footballs each with PSI lower than originally inflated . Yet one set is considered intentionally deflated while the other also under inflated is ignored. If it was the Patriots taking the air out their balls to gain an advantage , then who took the same amount of air out of the Colts balls ??
    Anyone ???

    ———————————————

    like I thought , once faced with facts all the haters and Rogeraide drinkers can do is ignore and change the subject.
    Come on Ted Wells Roger the Dodger .. 15 mill and counting and you still cannot answer this simple question . How did the Colts balls get deflated also?

  240. OK limakey and all haters answer this
    Colts check Pats ball on national TV that is against the rules yet they get away with it
    3 of 4 Colts ball were under inflated
    Kensil knowing initial report was false was asked by the Pats to update with the appearance of avoiding impropriety he won’t why? Oh and didn’t tell Pats for 2 months
    Chargers fined for their equip guy hiding towels with a sticky substance. Where was Wells why not investigate what Rivers knew?
    Farve won’t give up his phone in an investigation and “loses” his phone he is evasive and obstructive and only fined
    Security tapes show officials watching McNally and allowing him to remove balls from locker room after they’d been vetted

    Goodell won’t give up his phone to the FBI yet Brady has to give up his to a non government agency that is the NFL
    2 of 3 gauges had the Pats balls as accurate like with the Colts one of the gauges had the Pats balls short
    Dean Blandino has stated that he was made aware of the situation at game time. Yet there was an email sent to him and another senior official named Riveron the ay before detailing the Pats alleged ball manipulation
    An NFL employee was fired for trying to sell at least one of the footballs

    Which is it Goodell is TB being suspended for knowledge of equipment tampering or being obstructive? Both had been fined before and only fines

    OK haters explain those good luck

  241. Your guys were warned. They went ahead and voted for it anyway. You got a problem now, don’t blame Goodell, take it up with Brady who merrily went along with the new agreement.

    This inaccuracy must have come from BSPN I see so many repeating it. The Commish has had the same power for decades, it is not new with the last CBA. Only new thing is the Commish abusing the power to generate revenue/interest in the game. He’s a PR guy, this is his specialty.

    Laugh now, revel in the Pats misfortune but it’s awful if you love the game. No stopping this guy (Goodell) now and he’s already out of control-which most agree with evry other time, funny he nailed it with with this one though lol

  242. I understand that this case was only about the cba giving GoodHell unilateral control of discipline in being judge,jury, and executioner. Why can’t Brady or the union file a defamation law suit? Wouldn’t the NFL actually have to produce …………..you know……………………..EVIDENCE………?

  243. If Brady is so adamant about his innocence, why did he restructure his contract so he would only lose a handful of peanuts in the 4 game suspension?

    Acts of a guilty man, imo.

  244. NO it is a man who is fighting city hall knowing he’ll likely lose and city hall is corrupt. But keep drinking that kool aid sheep

  245. NO it is a man who is fighting city hall knowing he’ll likely lose and city hall is corrupt. But keep drinking that kool aid sheep

    ==============================

    So why did Brady lie to Wells and Goodell? I haven’t seen an explanation from you delusional homers. Maybe you’re too busy making up excuses.

    >

  246. So then the NFL has told no lies? This whole thing was base on allowing the Colt to break the rules and not punishing them. The NFL has not acknowledged that. So they are lying by omission.

  247. So why did Brady lie to Wells and Goodell? I haven’t seen an explanation from you delusional homers. Maybe you’re too busy making up excuses. >

    So then the NFL has told no lies? This whole thing was base on allowing the Colt to break the rules and not punishing them. The NFL has not acknowledged that. So they are lying by omission.

    =============================

    My question was why did Brady lie? Answer it instead of deflecting.

    And what rule did the Colts break. If it’s the silly argument that the Colts had 3/4 balls under, they were only under on one gauge not both like 11/11 Patriot balls on both gauges. If it’s because the Colts tested a football taken out of play don’t waste our time on a moronic accusation.

    So why did Brady lie? Sounds like you’re admitting he lied.

    >

  248. Brady did. But if we were to scorecard all lies the NFL has told so many more. Also the Colts broke the rules without the NFL doing anything about and not acknowledging is a lie by omission. Sounds to me like you refuse to even entertain the idea that the NFL lied

  249. Brady did. But if we were to scorecard all lies the NFL has told so many more. Also the Colts broke the rules without the NFL doing anything about and not acknowledging is a lie by omission. Sounds to me like you refuse to even entertain the idea that the NFL lied ==============================

    First you admit Brady lied, but why did he lie. Congrats at least you admit he lied.

    I don’t know if the NFL lied. I haven’t really listened to them I’ve been focused on the facts. But I have an open mind so share with me the NFL lies snd provide the source and I will check it out.

    >

  250. The Colts checked the Pats game ball then handed it over to Walt Anderson. A that is illegal B they had the equipment on the field to do that that is also against the rules

  251. Focused on the facts? Nope if you were you’d look at both sides and you’d see the blatant lies and misstatements from the NFL No you are focused like sheep do you latch on to what ever bridge everyone else is jumping off and you jump I questioned why

  252. The Colts checked the Pats game ball then handed it over to Walt Anderson. A that is illegal B they had the equipment on the field to do that that is also against the rules

    ===============================

    Reference the rule the Colts are violating. There’s been so much BS reported that’s not true, you can’t believe everything you read.

    If the Colts did violate a rule then fine them. That’s a lot different than a scheme to deflate footballs and covering it up. >

  253. The Colts had to admit it cause they did it on National TV. They knew they could not hide it. Yet the went unpunished. That’s like stealing 10K a admitting to it and not going to prison The league had selective enforcement

  254. Once the game starts, neither team is allowed to gauge the footballs, pump them, or the like. That is solely the province of the referee, who is to be the “sole judge” of whether footballs comply. The Colts, with advance concerns about psi, did not take the issue to the referee. They took the matter into their own hands and had an intern gauge the football. (pg. 63) This conduct was in violation of Rule 2. Nowhere does the Report identify this conduct as a violation of the Rule.

    Why didn’t the Colts get punished?

  255. Focused on the facts? Nope if you were you’d look at both sides and you’d see the blatant lies and misstatements from the NFL No you are focused like sheep do you latch on to what ever bridge everyone else is jumping off and you jump I questioned why

    =============================

    None of this happens if Brady plays by the rules. >

  256. luckyforus says:
    Jul 17, 2016 4:21 PM
    If the Colts did violate a rule then fine them. That’s a lot different than a scheme to deflate footballs and covering it up. =========================
    Actually it’s not different at all. It’s the exact same rule violation.

  257. Haters have you a defense for this?
    Colts check Pats game ball on national TV. That is against the rules . They did this on their own They hand it over to Walt A telling him the balls is bad. Can we say for sure they didn’t fix the ball or it was bad without them fixing it? Also the NFL allowed the Colts to break the rules. They then used that to prove they Pats may have broken the rules. The Colts went unpunished and what the Colts did wasn’t in the Wells report Again the NFL used the Colts rule breaking to prove the Pats alleged rule breaking
    OK go ahead defend that

  258. The only fact of any relevance now is that Tom Brady will miss 1/4 of the regular season.

    In my opinion, it is hilarious. Pats fans attacking Goodell, “haters,” Ruth Nader Ginsburg, Broncos/Seahawks/Steelrs fans…

    Or they are just playing tough and acting like none of it is a big deal, who cares, not like you wasted 18 months of your life crafting poorly written essays/novels on various message boards defending your precious every day.

    Then those who are crying about being persecuted like it is Nazi Germany “you didn’t speak up for us just wait til it happens to you!!!”

    Too funny how you guys have put yourselves through this every day, while the rest of us lived our lives and laughed and loved and occasionally checked in to see how badly you got yourselves worked up on a given day.

    Ha!

  259. aj66shanghai says:
    Jul 19, 2016 6:21 PM
    The only fact of any relevance now is that Tom Brady will miss 1/4 of the regular season.

    In my opinion, it is hilarious. Pats fans attacking Goodell, “haters,” Ruth Nader Ginsburg, Broncos/Seahawks/Steelrs fans…

    Or they are just playing tough and acting like none of it is a big deal, who cares, not like you wasted 18 months of your life crafting poorly written essays/novels on various message boards defending your precious every day.

    Then those who are crying about being persecuted like it is Nazi Germany “you didn’t speak up for us just wait til it happens to you!!!”

    Too funny how you guys have put yourselves through this every day, while the rest of us lived our lives and laughed and loved and occasionally checked in to see how badly you got yourselves worked up on a given day.

    Ha!
    ====================
    What’s funny is the denial that casually checking in on a message board isn’t just as complicit.

  260. luckyforus says:
    Jul 17, 2016 4:09 PM

    I don’t know if the NFL lied. I haven’t really listened to them I’ve been focused on the facts. But I have an open mind so share with me the NFL lies snd provide the source and I will check it out.
    —————————–

    You don’t know if the NFL lied? You’ve been focused on the facts? Really? That’s what you are going with after a year and a half? What facts have you been focused on? The NFL lied to the media and they lied to the Patriots right off the bat with the misinformation about the PSI level of the footballs. The fact that they claimed ignorance about the effect of temperature on footballs filled with air isn’t an excuse.

    What lies did Brady tell Goodell and Wells?

  261. You don’t know if the NFL lied? You’ve been focused on the facts? Really? That’s what you are going with after a year and a half? What facts have you been focused on? The NFL lied to the media and they lied to the Patriots right off the bat with the misinformation about the PSI level of the footballs. The fact that they claimed ignorance about the effect of temperature on footballs filled with air isn’t an excuse.

    What lies did Brady tell Goodell and Wells?

    ==============================

    I don’t trust anything reported by the media, NFL or the Patriots. Who really knows what they said unless you hear it live. I reviewed the Wells report and the transcripts to the Goodell hearing. I also read the Patriots response to the Wells report to review any discrepancies.

    Again Brady testified he didn’t know McNally except by face and Brady testified he didn’t know McNally’s game day role. Brady also testified he never discussed psi with McNally. This was contradicted by Jastremski and McNally. This is in the Wells report pages 19 and 20 and Goodell transcripts pages 122,123,124,139 and 140. Don’t get confused by Brady claiming later he didn’t know McNally’s real name. Brady testified in March and June and by then he knew McNally’s real name.

    If Brady was innocent why did he lie to Wells and Goodell about knowing McNally.

    >

  262. luckyforus says:
    Jul 20, 2016 9:53 AM

    I don’t trust anything reported by the media, NFL or the Patriots. Who really knows what they said unless you hear it live. I reviewed the Wells report and the transcripts to the Goodell hearing. I also read the Patriots response to the Wells report to review any discrepancies.

    Again Brady testified he didn’t know McNally except by face and Brady testified he didn’t know McNally’s game day role. Brady also testified he never discussed psi with McNally. This was contradicted by Jastremski and McNally. This is in the Wells report pages 19 and 20 and Goodell transcripts pages 122,123,124,139 and 140. Don’t get confused by Brady claiming later he didn’t know McNally’s real name. Brady testified in March and June and by then he knew McNally’s real name.

    If Brady was innocent why did he lie to Wells and Goodell about knowing McNally.

    >

    Oh, I thought you were focusing on the facts.

    Never mind.

  263. Again Brady testified he didn’t know McNally except by face and Brady testified he didn’t know McNally’s game day role. Brady also testified he never discussed psi with McNally. This was contradicted by Jastremski and McNally. This is in the Wells report pages 19 and 20 and Goodell transcripts pages 122,123,124,139 and 140. Don’t get confused by Brady claiming later he didn’t know McNally’s real name. Brady testified in March and June and by then he knew McNally’s real nam

    If Brady was innocent why did he lie to Wells and Goodell about knowing McNally.

    >

    Oh, I thought you were focusing on the facts.

    Never mind.

    =============================

    Those are facts. They have never been disputed and the Goodell transcript is public record.

    >

  264. luckyforus says:
    Jul 20, 2016 12:27 PM

    Those are facts. They have never been disputed and the Goodell transcript is public record.
    ——————————

    The NFL told dozens of lies, throughout the whole process, which are also a matter of public record, and in the Wells Report, and in the transcripts of the appeal hearing, yet you focus on whether Brady knew McNally, or what he did?

  265. The NFL told dozens of lies, throughout the whole process, which are also a matter of public record, and in the Wells Report, and in the transcripts of the appeal hearing, yet you focus on whether Brady knew McNally, or what he did?

    =============================

    I’m focusing on Brady lying under oath. Why did he lie twice if he was innocent?

    >

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