Kraft supports Brady, slams “flawed and biased” investigation

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Patriots quarterback Tom Brady dropped his fight against the four-game suspension handed down by the NFL by announcing on Friday that he would not proceed with a push to have it stayed by the Supreme Court.

A source told PFT that decision was made in part because it meant Brady would miss the first four games of the year rather than run the risk of being suspended later in the regular season or in the playoffs. In a statement, Patriots owner Robert Kraft said that the team supports Brady’s call and leveled a few more shots at the road the NFL took to suspend Brady in the first place.

The full text of the statement appears below.

“While I was disappointed with the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals’ decision not to rehear Tom Brady’s case, I am most frustrated that Tom was denied his right to a fair and impartial process. The League’s investigation into a football pressure matter was flawed and biased from the start, and has been discredited nearly unanimously by accredited academics and scientists.

“The penalty imposed by the NFL was unprecedented, unjust and unreasonable, especially given that no empirical or direct evidence of any kind showed Tom did anything to violate League rules prior to, during or after the 2015 AFC Championship Game. What Tom has had to endure throughout this 18-month ordeal has been, in my opinion, as far removed from due process as you could ever expect in this country.

“From day one, I have believed in Tom and given him my unwavering support in his pursuit to rightfully clear his name of any wrongdoing. That support extends throughout our organization and has only grown more steadfast as the preponderance of scientific evidence has exonerated Tom. Unfortunately, this stopped being about air pressure a long time ago.

“This entire process has indelibly taken a toll on our organization, our fans and most importantly, Tom Brady. His reluctant decision to stop pursuing further action and to put this situation behind him is what he feels is best for the team in preparation for this season and is fully supported by me and our entire organization.

“To our devoted fans, your unwavering support for Tom and our organization have only reinforced our longstanding belief that we have the greatest fans in all of sports. We will continue to unequivocally support Tom and know our fans will rally around him and the rest of the team like never before. Our full focus now is on making the upcoming season a memorable one for all of our fans.”

183 responses to “Kraft supports Brady, slams “flawed and biased” investigation

  1. The investigation wasn’t flawed or biased. The Ideal Gas “Law” is easily refuted.

    Brady cheated. He got caught. Get over it.

  2. So, Brady chose the “Patriot Way” over continuing his fight in the federal courts. He’s done what some will argue is in the team’s best interest, as opposed to his own. While I’m not surprised, I’m still disappointed. Like others, I’m under no illusion here. Brady faced long—very long—odds before the highest court. But his decision to “throw in the towel” and “raise the white flag” may now be seen—rightly or wrongly—by many as tantamount to an admission of guilt. Brady’s guilt or innocence for what amounts at most to a “misdemeanor” is unimportant to me. What’s important is the fight. The struggle. The battle. One doesn’t run a marathon only to quit during that last exhausting mile. The ultimate competitor fights on to the end, no matter how unreachable or bitter that end may be. Fair or unfair, Brady’s gold Hall of Fame jacket will now have a “stain” on it. And not just because of “Deflategate.”

  3. This suspension is one of the biggest travesties in sports history. Suspending a player for generally being aware the balls lose pressure when the temperature drops but Roger Goofball won’t release the psi tests during the year.

  4. I love the Patriots but Kraft you failed at this miserably…….from the beginning you handled it wrong and still continue to do so…………

  5. It’s finally time for you idiots to take your medicine. Your team has a history of systematic cheating and while it’s well documented that the league destroyed the evidence last time you must not have really thought that you could continue to cheat indefinitely and get away with it. Or maybe you’re really that arrogant and you thought you could? Anyhow it’s all water under the bridge now and justice has finally been served

  6. “The penalty imposed by the NFL was unprecedented, unjust and unreasonable, especially given that no empirical or direct evidence of any kind showed Tom did anything to violate League rules prior to, during or after the 2015 AFC Championship Game.”

    Very hard to dispute this. Between the Ray Rice 2 game suspension and the Brady 4 game, Goodell has really proven to be a terrible commissioner.

  7. I would be furious if I was caught cheating and punished for it.
    Even worse if I was publicly called out for it.

    On the other hand … I try and obey laws, so I’m unfamiliar with what it feels like to cheat and be caught.

  8. osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:03 PM
    The investigation wasn’t flawed or biased. The Ideal Gas “Law” is easily refuted.

    Brady cheated. He got caught. Get over it.

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    How is it easily refuted? Why hasn’t anyone done it? Where are the in-game measurements the NFL collected? Why were the Colts balls signficantly less than their pregame pressure? Were they cheating too?

    The Wells report concluded the ball pressure was within the expected range for a football game played at that temperature. It took a lot of backwards logic to reach the conclusion the balls were deflated.

  9. Wait a minute! Didn’t Kraft initially concede this whole thing? Now he says it flawed and biased because his starting QB is getting suspended. Maybe he would have fought harder if he would have known that was a possibility from the start. But, then again, he was probably just conceding so everybody would sweep it under the rug and they could figure out a new way to manipulate the system.

  10. For,you Patroits haters…..( I am born and raised in Pittsburgh
    big Steeler fan) you can think what you want but the Patriots and
    their organization win because of hard work,talent and by never letting anything slip by. Nothing falls through the cracks. Stealing
    coaches signals is as old as the game is. In baseball one is praised
    for it. If a team was dumb enough to not change up, shame on them!
    Belichick is an incepredibly hard worker who has grinded for years.
    Parcel and Cowher will tell you how hard it is to keep up the pace that Belichick has. They did it for ten plus years then got out. He continues
    to grind year after year.
    If you really believe your team never taped other teams signals you
    are nieve. Even if you film the opposing coaches, can up you imagine the time and energy needed to decipher the calls and then somehow get the calls in to your defense to make a difference. Ask Cowher
    and Parcells if they tried to do it. I guarantee if properly asked
    and given full immunity they would answer ” yes” c
    Ask any NFL player who they think is the best coached team.
    You don’t win Super Bowls by taking a few PSi’s out of the ball.

  11. During SpyGate, Kraft asked Belichick if taping the signals gave a distinct advantage. Belichick said no, and Kraft said “You’re a shmuck.” Kraft has stood behind Brady from start to finish. If you think this is some kind of charade, you’re a fool.

  12. sixringslikeatelephone says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:16 PM
    CHEATER. Legacy

    Will you still be typing that when he’s inducted into the HOF the first time he is eligible?

    The best part of this is that players don’t agree with the crybabies.

  13. and has been discredited nearly unanimously by accredited academics and scientists.

  14. Wasn’t Kraft the one who accepted the team’s punishment and blame? It was only after Brady was given 4 games that he got indignant about the entire thing.

    It would be a lot easier for people to think Kraft has a point, and is standing up for his player if he hadn’t been willing to accept the blame in the first place.

  15. Two words: Slander and libel. This may no longer be about air pressure anymore, it does however tarnish Tom Bradys’ image (right or wrong). Bet he could win that case.

  16. “Roger Goodell–the Donald Trump of commissioners.”

    Unfortunately he is still better than Trump. Hard to believe I know…

  17. Just think how Brady could have cleared his name if he hadn’t routinely destroyed his cell phone the day before he was to meet with Roger. Poor guy can’t catch a break.

  18. Funny, people that matter still consider Brady the GOAT or at least have him in the conversation with Montana. Most of the media, current and ex-players, coaches, executives, etc. etc. It really is only loser fans that think this taints his legacy. No one really cares what you think. The fact of the matter is there was never any proof, nor will there ever be proof, that the Pats manually deflated footballs. 18 months is boiled down to that. Out of context texts and circumstantial evidence is trumped by actual scientific evidence and the fact the NFL lied, manipulated facts and evidence, were biased from the beginning, admitted in court they had no evidence, and ignored the CBA. The cell phone is and always has been a moot point. They had all other devices and Brady provided the text/email/call logs at the appeal.

  19. As a Colts fan:
    1.Brady is the best QB so far this century
    2.Roger Goodell has gone mad with power

    The past year and a half has been nothing but deflategate. I don’t know what happened on that sideline as someone got a hold of the game balls and did who knows what with them. What I will say is that I blame grigson for calling the league. When that AFC Championship game was played I knew we would lose but I rooted for indy all the way. What I didn’t expect was deflatgate.

    Brady didn’t deserve any of this in all honesty. Roger Goodell has gone mad with power as seen with the 2012 saints, Ritchie incognito, Ray rice, and now this. I swear who knows why owners choose Goodell as commissioner in 2006, maybe because he was a yes man

  20. Kraft made a mistake going along to get along and giving the league their pound of flesh but he is the reason they weren’t moved to St Louis and then LA and he brought us 20 years of football prosperity overall I am inclined to cut him some slack

  21. osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:03 PM
    The investigation wasn’t flawed or biased. The Ideal Gas “Law” is easily refuted.
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    A Nobel Laureate and 21 other nationally recognized scientists vs a disgruntled 12. Yeah, sorry but I am going to have to go with the experts. You still mad bro?

  22. metalup666 says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:20 PM
    Wait a minute! Didn’t Kraft initially concede this whole thing? Now he says it flawed and biased because his starting QB is getting suspended. Maybe he would have fought harder if he would have known that was a possibility from the start. But, then again, he was probably just conceding so everybody would sweep it under the rug and they could figure out a new way to manipulate the system.

    I think Bob Kraft “conceded” because he was trying not to become a latter day version of Al Davis by tilting at the windmill. He made very clear before that what he thought of the whole “investigation”. If he is guilty of anything it is naivete as he thought by conceding that the situation would be handled fairly and above board. He now knows that the Commissioner is incapable of fairness and is adept only at skullduggery . I wonder who the next victim will be.

  23. Tom Brady made the right decision for the team.

    But what an absolutely travesty of justice this is. The NFL seemingly will stop at nothing in its quest for power over the players, not even dragging the name of one of their all-time greatest star players through the mud (and spending millions of dollars in the process).

    That’s a scary thought for teams, players and football fans alike. Shame on you, Roger Goodell.

  24. At $10,000 per player per equipment violation, I say every Pats player wears a #12 patch on their jersey for the first four games. It’ll cost Kraft $200,000, but it would be worth it.

  25. shadywarrior says:Jul 15, 2016 3:21 PM

    During SpyGate, Kraft asked Belichick if taping the signals gave a distinct advantage. Belichick said no, and Kraft said “You’re a shmuck.” Kraft has stood behind Brady from start to finish. If you think this is some kind of charade, you’re a fool.

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    I am no fool , I have been following this team for 40 plus years and Kraft gave up before the ice thawed on the field of the stadium. He accepted the fine and draft picl losses before the supposed due processs had taken place. Karft could have stood up to Goodell but had no support from the other owners and the NFL . If hes been supporting Brady in public hes got a funny way of showing it……..Hes brought all this negative press on himself. He and Brady should have worked together against the NFL ….I would have thought Kraft owned another team the way hes been acting through this………The hell with him……..

  26. bob kraft is out peddling plausible deniability, but that dog won’t hunt….

    teflon tommy should have taken the 2 games back then and moved along, but he isn’t used to being told “no”.

    So, now he and bob will pout and spout a lot of nonsense about the process that everyone agreed to use back when the players got hosed in the current CBA.

    Not that Bob Kraft had anything to do with that, you know? Where was all this constitutional concern when Sean Payton and Gregg Williams were railroaded and scapegoated? Nowhere to be found….. just another rich hypocrite.

  27. drakost says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:26 PM
    Two words: Slander and libel. This may no longer be about air pressure anymore, it does however tarnish Tom Bradys’ image (right or wrong). Bet he could win that case.

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    Probably not. First the case between Vilma and the NFL over that was dismissed because they said that the CBA deals with it.

    But if it did go to court, Brady would have to prove that the NFL knowingly said things that were untrue in order to ruin his reputation. Because he’s famous he has a much higher burden of proof than a non famous person has.

    Then you’d get into the fact that Brady would have to open himself up completely in a deposition about the case.

    I would doubt he’ll ever file the case, and if he does, based on what happened in the Vilma case, I would guess it wouldn’t get very far.

  28. Roger Goodell will pay for this terrible injustice to the greatest player of all time. A suspension of this magnitude to the very best player is a disgrace. However, Tom takes it on the chin and he will come back even more determined to capture another Super Bowl.
    Behind the scenes Mr Kraft must now lead the efforts to replace Goodell, ASAP.

  29. trailerparkking says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:28 PM
    Kraft is a fraud
    He helped write the CBA that gave Goodell the right to remove Brady from due process.
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    That’s a big concession out of you, admitting that Brady hardly was afforded due process. The language in the CBA that gave Goodell that power has been virtually unchanged since the first CBA in 1969, it had nothing to do with Kraft. This entire farce has been about that language and getting a court to put teeth in it. The legal precedent set here is terrible for the game, wouldn’t be surprised if the NFLPA decided to keep fighting the judgement.

  30. e investigation wasn’t flawed or biased. The Ideal Gas “Law” is easily refuted.
    ——-

    And the earth is flat too.

    I’ll take the scientists answers over yours a yeah of the week, because they actually know what they are talking about. You? Not so much

  31. mrphelps01 says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:41 PM
    At $10,000 per player per equipment violation
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    But that’s just it. Brady just got a 4 game suspension for exactly that….an equipment violation. If the Colts cried about the patch the whole team would be suspended.

  32. The Ideal Gas Law is a nice theory about what might have happened, proposed by smart people. But it’s a theory, there is no way to know if it was the cause in this specific case.

    On the other side, Florio posted on Jan 26, 2015 at 10:55PM that there was a video that the Patriots handed over, showing a Patriots employee sneaking a bag of footballs into a locking bathroom. Considering how long this person had been employed, he knew he wasn’t even supposed to be in possession of those balls.

    Does this video prove conclusively the balls were intentionally deflated? Nope. But nobody has yet turned over a video of the Ideal Gas Law doing anything it shouldn’t have been doing with those balls, so…

  33. The ideal gas law did not exhonerate Brady… It doesn’t mean a guy named “the deflator” didn’t disappear into a bathroom for 90 seconds with balls that were at the very least, found to have a questionable amount of air pressure. Many balls were deflated even more than the highest estimates of the ideal gas law. It does not exhonerate him, it simply provides plausible deniability.

  34. It had nothing to do with Kraft?
    Then why did he take all the credit for ending the lockout?
    What precedent?
    Goodell suspended Ben for being at the wrong place at the wrong time. He dropped a nuke on the Saints. And Kraft gleefully praised Goodell. What goes around comes around. Don’t say Ryan Clark and James Harrison didn’t warn you years ago.

  35. Ideal gas law is nothing more than plausible deniability. Thats the best Brady could ask for considering all the other circumstantial evidence pointing to his guilt. To this day, I still have yet to hear a logical explanation for someone being called “the deflator”.

    OJ simpson’s defense had plausible deniability that Mark Ferman planted all the evidence and there’s a segment of the population that actually still believes that. That doesn’t mean thats what actually happened. Remember, there were 4 balls deflated even more than the maximum estimates of the ideal gas law.

  36. skooter519 says:
    “..This suspension is one of the biggest travesties in sports history. ..”

    Oh yeah, sure, everybody said the same thing when Roethlisberger was suspended 4 games after an obvious frame attempt.

    /sarcasm

  37. Says the guy who dropped his sandwich years ago, way to fight the good fight…

  38. controlaltdeletedeletedelete says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:51 PM
    I don’t remember Kraft complaining so much after Goodell burned the spygate tapes…
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    Only after they aired them on national TV by whatever networks wanted to air them.

    Broadcasting them to the entire world to see then destroying them is so sinister and secretive.

  39. LMAO at all the people who claim to know enough to debunk the IGL. You can decry it all you want but anybody with a 2nd grade education knows balls deflate naturally in the weather. The science does not support unnatural ball deflation and it’s just ridiculous to entertain that it did. Everybody and their grandmother knows it now. Brady was convicted on everything BUT science.

  40. “From day one, I have believed in Tom and given him my unwavering support in his pursuit to rightfully clear his name of any wrongdoing”.
    Yeah, that’s why you rolled over, paid the fine, and gave up the picks. You knew he was guilty bro. You knew.

  41. Again you comment from belicheat, he’s furious Tammy didn’t clue him in on his little scheme .

  42. bleedingfacemask says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:51 PM
    The Ideal Gas Law is a nice theory about what might have happened, proposed by smart people. But it’s a theory, there is no way to know if it was the cause in this specific case.

    On the other side, Florio posted on Jan 26, 2015 at 10:55PM that there was a video that the Patriots handed over, showing a Patriots employee sneaking a bag of footballs into a locking bathroom. Considering how long this person had been employed, he knew he wasn’t even supposed to be in possession of those balls.

    Does this video prove conclusively the balls were intentionally deflated? Nope. But nobody has yet turned over a video of the Ideal Gas Law doing anything it shouldn’t have been doing with those balls, so…

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    Gravity is a theory, but there is a lot of empirical evidence that it’s a pretty accurate theory to explain physical phenomena.

    There’s a ton of data on how gases behave inside confined spaces. The entire idea of pressure was derived from these equations. There’s a ton of empirical evidence. More relevant to this story, there was even an entire NFL season where PSI numbers were taken pre-game, halftime and post-game. If any of that evidence contradicted the Ideal Gas Law, someone would have a Nobel Prize on our hands.

    The PSI numbers and current scientific evidence all lead to the conclusion that the footballs were not altered in any way. You have to really contort that evidence to demonstrate anything happened during the 90 second bathroom break. The NFL owners and lawyers decided they really wanted to nail the Patriots, so they spent $20 million to give Brady a 4-game suspension.

  43. Don’t like the Patriots, think the Boston fan base is just as awful as the Steelers fan base, Bill and Brady are probably the two best to ever do it in their capacity with the NFL.

    This entire thing was ridiculous and all of the blame goes on the NFL for not following their procedures in testing of game balls. They could have prevented this if they did their job, they would have caught any balls that were under inflated and not allowed them to be used.

    Brady is a first Ballot Hall of Famer with absolutely zero stains on his career. He has been great for the game and glad I was able to see his entire career. He has all of his outside interests taken care of and should not do one thing for the League anymore, and not talk to any media, at least while Roger is in office.

  44. atwatercrushesokoye says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:47 PM

    Brady would have to prove that the NFL knowingly said things that were untrue in order to ruin his reputation. Because he’s famous he has a much higher burden of proof than a non famous person has.

    Then you’d get into the fact that Brady would have to open himself up completely in a deposition about the case.
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    I agree with what you said regarding a Brady defamation lawsuit. But Brady doesn’t have to sue to have his reputation restored. There are at least two other individuals who could bring a suit … John Jastremski and Jim McNally.

    These guys can clearly make a case that they have been defamed, and their burden of proof is much lower since they are not celebrities.

    The discovery process would be very interesting. I’m sure JJ and JM’s attorneys would want to depose Roger Goodell, Ted Wells, Mike Kensil, and Jeff Pash among others (and they would be under oath this time). I suspect they would have to turn over their email and cell phone records as well. And those psi numbers from the 2015 season that the NFL wants to keep secret wouldn’t be secret any longer.

    I could go on, but suffice it to say that JJ and JM (who have already had their information made a matter of record) would have little to lose … especially compared to Goodell and his cronies. And, if JJ and JM win, Brady wins as well.

  45. truthfactory says:
    Jul 15, 2016 4:07 PM
    Ideal gas law is nothing more than plausible deniability to explain my refusal to accept that I was wrong. Thats the best Brady could ask for considering all the other circumstantial evidence pointing to his guilt. To this day, I still have yet to hear a logical explanation I want to accept for someone being called “the deflator”.
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    Fixed it for you.

  46. truthfactory says:
    Jul 15, 2016 4:02 PM
    The ideal gas law did not exhonerate Brady… It doesn’t mean a guy named “the deflator” didn’t disappear into a bathroom for 90 seconds with balls that were at the very least, found to have a questionable amount of air pressure. Many balls were deflated even more than the highest estimates of the ideal gas law. It does not exhonerate him, it simply provides plausible deniability.

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    Admit it though, without the CBA and a power-hungry commissioner, its a pretty air tight alibi. (pun intended)

  47. oh how quick we are to forget the past arnt we?

    first off, Roger was Krafts boy. thats how he got the damn job to begin with. a major endorsement from kraft.

    2nd. Krafts boy mister Roger did the pats a HUGE solid by destroying all the spygate evidence that would of shown how deep the video taping really was and how much of a fraud their super bowl wins were.

    but finally Roger cant cover up for them anymore and has to actually do something about the cheating and all the hate comes flowing from N.E.

    so quick they are to forget how this all came to be in the first place.

  48. If not for Bountyfarce, I would have sympathy for Kraft. However, Kraft patted Goodell on the back, and said what a great job he was doing protecting the NFL. For that reason alone, kraft deserves everything he got, and more.

  49. larryodavid says:
    Jul 15, 2016 4:28 PM

    Gravity is a theory, but there is a lot of empirical evidence that it’s a pretty accurate theory to explain physical phenomena.
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    General Relativity is a theory of gravity. Gravity itself is a phenomenon, or a physically observable fact.

    And not one expert has claimed to have physically observed those balls deflating outside the bathroom.

    Nice try, tho’.

  50. When Brady destroyed the cell phone& gave some lame excuse that he just wanted a new phone, those were the actions of a cheater who got caught, no better than Aaron Hernandez.

  51. truthfactory says:
    Jul 15, 2016 4:07 PM

    To this day, I still have yet to hear a logical explanation for someone being called “the deflator”.
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    On November 30, 2014 the Pats were playing in Green Bay. Since the home team provides the ball attendants for visitors, “the deflator” was sitting at home watching the game on television. Spying JJ on the sideline at halftime (when the footballs were in the officials locker room under the control of a GB employee), JM sent JJ a text that read, “Deflate and give somebody that jkt.” Clearly, JM is using deflate in a context that has nothing to do with footballs.

    So, we have a single off season text in May of 2014 that makes no reference to footballs. And this text is from a person who has been documented in November 2014 using deflate in a context that has nothing to do with footballs. One may suspect that “the deflator” is about letting air out of footballs, but there is no evidence that JM used deflate to mean something different in May 2014 than it meant in November of that same year … none!

    Here’s the logical explanation. By “the deflator” JM meant the same thing he meant when he told JJ to “Deflate and give somebody that jkt.”

  52. Hopefully Tom himself will sue the NFL AND Roger from defaming his character.

  53. Can we at least try to stick to a bit of the truth? After initially demanding an apology, Kraft “reluctantly” took the punishment “for the good of the NFL.” It was widely believed that this would stop the Deflategate madness. He did not throw Tom under the bus.

    Since that clearly did not happen, Kraft has been on the warpath. Facts are hard!

  54. Flawed and biased…The is a reason Kraft quickly accepted the team punishment and forfeited a 1st round pick and money was he knew Tom Brady got caught cheating as was trying to get some leniency.

    Its unfair the Patriots have cheated over a decade without repercussion. It was unfair to the other 31 teams when the same commissioner destroyed the Spygate tapes.

  55. Yea, tough talk NOW after he caved early in the process. Weak sauce.

    How stupid do these 2 think the public is? I mean, it not were patstricts fans who are gullible.

  56. Its hard to feel sorry for a franchise that cheated and got caught, cheated again and got caught, and then complain the entire time that they were framed.

    How about not cheating and then the rest of the NFL might recognize a championship assuming you played by the rules.

  57. trailerparkking says:
    Jul 15, 2016 4:03 PM
    It had nothing to do with Kraft?
    Then why did he take all the credit for ending the lockout?
    What precedent?
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    You seem to have missed his point. The article 46 language has largely gone unchanged from CBA to CBA. The logjam in the last CBA was about most everything but. The rookie wage scale, 18 game season, practice restrictions, revenue sharing, retirement benefits and team salary floor were among the biggest ones. I’m a Giants guy, our ownership was part of the problem and one of the guys the players wanted out of the room but as I recall it was the players that were praising Kraft’s assistance in ending the lockout. They definitely had hard words for Mara.
    The precedent discussed is the legal precedent that this case has set and should be a matter of concern for all players and fans. The 2nd circuit majority opinion essentially came down to Goodell can find whatever he likes as a biased arbitrator and may define misconduct as whatever he sees fit. That is frightening no matter what team you root for, as a Steelers fan it should particularly concern you. Failure to cooperate is whatever Roger defines it as, even after the fact. It does not bode well for Deebo among others that failure to cooperate is now considered conduct detrimental by judgement of a federal court and the justification as well as the punishment are whatever Goodell decides they are. (that last sentence made me throw up in my mouth a little)

  58. edelmanfanclub says:
    Jul 15, 2016 5:12 PM
    Kraft is one to talk, NE got docked 2 picks and millions in fines but he didnt fight it, good job on that one.

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    Cause Goodell retaliates for not obeying, and Kraft probably knows that.

    KCs owner Clark Hunt dissented with the Rams movement to LA, and what happened in the preceding days? They got docked an unprecedented 3rd rounder for “tampering” the PREVIOUS year, and that considering they were “lenient” for the Chiefs basically handing evidence and complying. Why a year late? There were stronger cases the previous year, and it was also after there was blatant tampering in FA this year, it was no statement to prevent anything. Goodell does what he wants, he thinks drama is good for the league.

  59. osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:03 PM

    The investigation wasn’t flawed or biased. The Ideal Gas “Law” is easily refuted.

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    Please enlighten us as to how it’s easily refuted.

    While your at it let’s hear your argument against gravity and for the world indeed being flat.

  60. maverick2560 says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:21 PM
    For,you Patroits haters…..( I am born and raised in Pittsburgh
    Stealing coaches signals is as old as the game is. In baseball one is praised
    for it. If a team was dumb enough to not change up, shame on them!
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    Jon Gruden agrees with this 110%

  61. mickton says:
    Jul 15, 2016 4:54 PM
    When Brady destroyed the cell phone& gave some lame excuse that he just wanted a new phone, those were the actions of a cheater who got caught, no better than Aaron Hernandez.
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    Even if you believe Brady personally deflated footballs conflating that with being a multiple murderer shows a horrifying lack of perspective and judgement. No doubt the goodellbots are thrilled to have you among their number. smh

  62. To everyone who blames Kraft, saying things like he threw Brady under the bus, etc.

    If you look at the NFL Owners Bylaws you will see Kraft could only go so far…Kraft’s only recourse would have been to sue the owners, (including himself!).

    Just remember, if Roger Goodell can do this to Brady, just think what he can do to your teams stars or any player for that matter. Goodell is now the EMPEROR…be afraid, be very afraid…

  63. IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE LEAGUE – A COUPLE OF DEFLATEGATE LOOSE ENDS NOW NEED TO BE ADDRESSED…

    Now it’s time for the NFL to take 2 draft picks away from the Colts and suspend Andrew Luck for 4 games since in the same game on January 18, 2015 three out of the four Colts footballs that were measured and were reported to be below the required 12.5 PSI:

    Colts football #1 12.35
    Colts football #2 12.30
    Colts football #3 12.50
    Colts football #4 12.15

    NFL rules stipulate that footballs are required to be at least 12.5 psi and no more than 13.5 psi.
    Those measurements were obtained after allowing the Colts footballs to warm up indoors while the Patriots footballs were measured twice.

    It’s also time for the NFL to publically release the PSI information that was collected during the 2015 season so that everyone can see the see what happens to the PSI in footballs when they are taken outside and used in cold weather. Since the court battle is over there is no reason for this information to be kept secret any longer.

  64. This should have been thrown out the moment that it became clear that Goodell and the NFL purposefully fed false information to the public

    To this day the majority of fans think “11 of 12 footballs were deflated” just the same way they think “Spygate” involved the Patriots filming Rams practices prior to the Super Bowl

    Goodell knows his fan base is ignorant and gullible and played all of them like a finely tuned violin

    He actually has the majority of fans – and those that suckle off the NFL’s $60 billion udder – convinced that up is down, black is white and the CBA with the players allows him to assert that the Laws of Physics don’t apply to the NFL

    This realization makes the notion that this nation is on the cusp of electing a reality TV star to be President of the United States that much more understandable

  65. Whether you’re cheating with performance enhancing drugs, or cheating by manipulating the footballs, you’re still cheating. Sometimes you get caught, sometimes you don’t. Brady just got caught. But he got caught cheating in a championship game, and that’s unprecedented. I think the league actually let him off easy. I like Brady as a football player and as a person. He’s a great teammate and he’s never been in trouble with the law. But the dude got caught cheating. I’m sorry. I have no sympathy. I’m not blaming anyone else. It’s not the police’s fault when someone gets busted, and it’s not the commissioner’s fault that Brady got busted. Own up to it and be a man about it. If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

  66. Jag, it is very concerning. Nobody cared when my QB was being labeled a rapist or whenever Sean Payton got completely railroaded and lost or whenever the dolphins were being painted as bullies. While those things were happening Kraft praised Goodell. I never cared about Brady or deflated footballs, I’ve always been irritated about spygate and Kraft’s arrogance and hypocrisy during deflategate was my issue. Kraft should have been grateful with the spygate cover-up and should have kept his mouth shut afterwards. I don’t even have an issue with Brady, it’s Kraft is the unethical poison in that organization.

  67. intrafinesse says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:18 PM
    I would be furious if I was caught cheating and punished for it.
    Even worse if I was publicly called out for it.

    On the other hand … I try and obey laws, so I’m unfamiliar with what it feels like to cheat and be caught.

    49 87
    **************************
    Wow. How about if you try to obey laws, not cheat, be accused of cheating with no, none, zip, nada, proof of cheating and even have the NFL tell the courts they have no proof and then have a plethora of idiots calling you cheater because they follow the headlines, not the facts. Wonder how you would feel about that?

    Hope the Pats destroy the Colts for the rest of the decade.

  68. I’m a Seahawks fan. No other fans would have greater cause to complain (the Patriots won the AFCCG fair and square, and it wasn’t close). I don’t think he cheated. I believe his punishment is unfair and unjust.

    If I met Brady, I would shake his hand for beating the Seahawks in Superbowl 49. He was masterful in that game, exploiting the few weaknesses in the Seattle defense and leading his team to a late comeback. No need for excuses. Brady did what he could to win, and it worked out. I have respect for the Patriots, Brady, and Belichick.

    Tom Brady is the greatest QB in NFL history. People who call him a cheater sound petty, jealous and silly. Dude doesn’t need to cheat.

  69. rob471773 says:
    Jul 15, 2016 5:27 PM
    osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:03 PM

    The investigation wasn’t flawed or biased. The Ideal Gas “Law” is easily refuted.

    ——————
    Please enlighten us as to how it’s easily refuted.

    While your at it let’s hear your argument against gravity and for the world indeed being flat.

    Um, OK. Try to keep up son. The Ideal Gas Law only applies to Ideal gasses. Footballs are filled with atmosphere. Atmosphere is a mixture of gasses and not a Ideal gas. A mixture of GASSES are not a Ideal GAS. See the difference between single and plural? It’s really not that hard of a concept.

  70. Firstly, I would like to thank Robert Kraft for keeping the Pats from moving to St. Louis

    Secondly, I would like to thank Robert Kraft for building the stadium with his money.

    And lastly, I would like to thank him for not ripping off STH with PSLs.

    Now for what I didn’t like ; his first comments after the story broke that if the allegations weren’t true he would be expecting .an apology from the Commish. To me that was stupid. There may have been a small chance at a compromise but not after that. Ahh, who am I kidding, the NFL had their agenda set from the moment Brady said “Read the rule book “

  71. juliusanonymous says:
    Jul 15, 2016 5:59 PM

    I’m a Seahawks fan. No other fans would have greater cause to complain (the Patriots won the AFCCG fair and square, and it wasn’t close). I don’t think he cheated. I believe his punishment is unfair and unjust.

    If I met Brady, I would shake his hand for beating the Seahawks in Superbowl 49. He was masterful in that game, exploiting the few weaknesses in the Seattle defense and leading his team to a late comeback. No need for excuses. Brady did what he could to win, and it worked out. I have respect for the Patriots, Brady, and Belichick.

    Tom Brady is the greatest QB in NFL history. People who call him a cheater sound petty, jealous and silly. Dude doesn’t need to cheat.

    —————————————————————-

    Great post and even better logic. You saw Tom Brady play with your own eyes. So you can dismiss all the “cheating” nonsense.

    That game came down to a great play by a defender that was mad and went for the interception because of the crazy catch on an earlier play that put the Seahawks in the red zone. Even as a backup player the coaching staff had him ready for that exact play. So coaching was also a factor. Only the ignorant will say “cheater”.

  72. If I only I had days to waste finding all the instances of Pats fans guaranteeing Brady wouldn’t be suspended.

    We were all told to “book it” so many times, what am I supposed to do with this book full of broken promises now?

  73. osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:03 PM

    The investigation wasn’t flawed or biased. The Ideal Gas “Law” is easily refuted.
    ——————————————————————-

    Except that the science in this universe proves that the Patriots did not tamper with any footballs.

    NFL PSI measurements of 4 of the Colts 12 footballs when measured on January 18, 2015 near the end of halftime:

    Colts football #1 12.70 — 12.35
    Colts football #2 12.75 — 12.30
    Colts football #3 12.50 — 12.95
    Colts football #4 12.55 — 12.15

    NFL rules stipulate that footballs are required to be at least 12.5 psi and no more than 13.5 psi. This means that ALL the Colts measurements should have all been within that range. They were not all in the allowed range as you stated. Below you can see the NFL PSI measurements of the Patriots footballs measured on January 18, 2015 at the beginning of halftime:

    Patriots football #1 11.50 — 11.80
    Patriots football #2 10.85 — 11.20
    Patriots football #3 11.15 — 11.50
    Patriots football #4 10.70 — 11.00
    Patriots football #5 11.10 — 11.45
    Patriots football #6 11.60 — 11.95
    Patriots football #7 11.85 — 12.30
    Patriots football #8 11.10 — 11.55
    Patriots football #9 10.95 — 11.35
    Patriots football #10 10.50 — 10.90

    —– Roger Goodell claimed that the Patriots let air out.
    —– No less than 21 professors from universities form all over the country have officially notified the court and the national media that the cold/rainy weather explains the PSI measurements recorded at halftime during that game played between the Patriots and the Colts.

    There are 2 legitimate reasons that explain why the PSI measurements of the Patriots footballs could be somewhat higher than those of the Colts.
    1. Allowing all the Colts footballs to warm up while measuring all the Patriots footballs 2 times.
    2. Not having the same starting PSI measurements. Remember the NFL rules allow for a range between 12.5 and 13.5 so they could have legitimately been up to 1 PSI different to start the game.

    If you want to believe that Roger Goodell knows more about science and the Ideal Gas Law than 21 professors representing universities from all over the country then that’s your prerogative. You may want to consider that the NFL indicated that they never heard of the IGL. You may also want to consider that the NFL is still keeping the PSI information collected during the 2015 season secret. Because the data would show everyone that what the 21 scientists have said is true.

  74. osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:03 PM

    The investigation wasn’t flawed or biased. The Ideal Gas “Law” is easily refuted.

    ————————————————————-

    Anyone that has ever driven across a bridge located in a state that experiences cold weather has probably noticed the spaced seams or breaks in the road. The breaks are covered with a metal plate that is separate from the road surface.

    These breaks in the road are called “expansion joints”. They are put there intentionally by engineers to allow bridges to expand and contract when the weather gets hotter and colder. Bridges will expand when the weather is hotter and the bridge will contract when the weather is colder. The expansion joints allow these changes to occur without damaging the road surface.

    Now someone would have to be intentionally dense to understand that temperature can change the spacing between the molecules making up the steel in bridges while simultaneously denying that temperature can affect the spacing of the air molecules inside footballs.

    These individuals have to accept that temperature can change the size of a steel bridge spanning a river while believing that temperature can’t make a small pressure change to the air in a football. And these individuals believe this because the NFL told them to. While numerous scientists from universities across the country have officially and publically informed the court and the media that the weather explains that The Patriots and Tom Brady did not tamper with any footballs.

  75. Not surprising…
    1. Start with millions of biased fans of 31 teams that have watched Tom Brady and The Patriots become more successful than their favorite teams since the year 2000 when Tom Brady was drafted.
    2. Count on a significant percentage of those fans to be ignorant enough to permanently believe that a single incident from a single game played almost 10 years ago, where a memo indicated that a camera needed to be moved to a different location within the stadium, represents a “pattern of cheating”.
    3. Further dupe most of those permanently gullible biased fans with an orchestrated media spin campaign that puts a false story which contradicts proven science in every media outlet in the country for 6 months before the 2 PSI information is corrected.
    4. Add red herring #1 – which will persuade many otherwise intelligent people to ignore science while being distracted by a single out of context off season text where “deflator” was mentioned once. Know that science won’t matter to them because they will find a way to imagine a conspiracy based on a single word.
    5. Add red herring #2 – while the gullible are still swallowing red herring #1, feed them even more nonsense by proclaiming “Brady destroyed his phone”. Count on only a few intelligent people to recognize the obvious and subsequently ask, “How did you obtain the “deflator” text?” Bank on the fact that only the smartest will figure out that Tom Brady can afford to replace his personal phone, and there was no unknown information on the phone, and all that remained was personal information that would have been leaked. Know that science won’t matter because many can be distracted by the sensational use of the word “destroyed” and they will envision someone taking a club to a telephone. Achieve the goal because few will figure out that there was no evidence left to obtain from the phone, so there was no unknown information to “destroy”. Know that many will assume that the phone was a mysterious smoking gun and will once again deny science.
    6. Count on fewer to recognize that individual privacy is important in America and to understand that the NFL had no right to examine a personal telephone. Realize that only intelligent people can notice details, so few biased people will notice that the NFL already had telephone logs that Tom Brady provided. Know that the NFL already had the 2 team owned phones that any texts could have been sent to or from. Hope that many won’t realize that you don’t need both phones to obtain messages that were sent between 2 telephones.
    7. Sprinkle in “56 lies the NFL told during deflategate” to reinforce the smear campaign. Continue to deny science.
    8. Manipulate the system by picking a court in NY that you think will help you railroad Tom Brady. Lose because federal judge Richard M. Berman is competent. Double down on stupid and appeal the loss. Get two lazy judges that were apparently influenced by media headlines to rule in your favor. Cringe after Chief Judge Robert A. Katzmann actually understands the facts and issues a dissenting opinion that slams your case.Triple down on stupid and reinstate the suspension. Publically gloat on the eve of the 2016 draft because you actually won 2 to 1.
    9. Allow the Patriots to be cheated out of their 1st round pick in the 2016 draft and schedule them to be cheated out of a 4th round pick in 2017. Continue to try to make Tom Brady miss 25% of the season to help make some other teams feel more confident. Count on low information headline readers to continue to deny science and also believe that Tom Brady is hated while his jersey continues to be the top selling jersey of all the players in the NFL.
    10. Sit back and watch as too many biased gullible fans of the other 31 teams spew ridiculous hate against one of the most successful athletes of all time, who has been a model football player that has not been in any actual trouble with 16 years in the league. Understand that it’s easier to lie to people than to later convince them that they were lied to so the gullible masses will continue to deny science and believe lies.
    11. Make sure that no information is ever both collected and released to the public which contains independent (before & after) PSI measurements from games played outdoors while it was very cold and raining, during any season. Try not to allow science to expose the lies.
    12. Know that 31 team owners will publically support the farce either because they are afraid to challenge the commissioner or because they want a better team to have to play with several competitive disadvantages. Count on the support of 31 owners even if it is only by their silence.
    13. Watch many science challenged fans that root for lousy teams get as happy about Tom Brady missing 4 games as they would if their lousy team won a superbowl.

  76. For what it’s worth I believe Tom Brady did indeed get his guys to deflate footballs to 12.5

    Most likely he was tired of the refs over inflating balls way over his preference and thinking (correctly) the league didn’t give a crap about air pressure he directed his equipment guys to make sure they were all one standard pressure at where he liked it.

    So they did it. 12.5 is legal- which explains why he has said he hasn’t done anything wrong, explains the Wells report, explains the text messages perfectly, explains the deflator, and it just makes sense.

    I think this is something all fans across the nation would have bought as reasonable if he just admitted it at the beginning. Maybe he could said if they got carried away he is sorry and it won’t happen again. Then there would have been a fine and that’s it. Who knows why he went in a different direction so instead we got all this nonsense.

    Thankfully it’s over regardless and we can move on.

    90 days or so till kickoff.

  77. boogerhut says: Um, OK. Try to keep up son. The Ideal Gas Law only applies to Ideal gasses. Footballs are filled with atmosphere.
    ———————————

    Old man – that sound you just heard was thousands of educated people doing a face palm.

    Google “Properties of Various Ideal Gases”

    Guess what “atmosphere is made out of”

    Gasses. Like Nitrogen, Oxygen, Carbon Dioxide, and other things in what you probably like to call “air”

    In fact if you Google that you’ll see the Ideal Gas Law properties of – yes – AIR!

    For those of you just tuning in, we hope you enjoyed today’s Epic Fail of a fan of team jealous of the Patriot trying to prove that the Laws of Physics do not exist

  78. Brady was defeated by the NYC/NFL FRAME-Gate because he was ill advised by his attorneys to argue that the punishment was unprecedented, which it was, but was a very weak argument based on the CBA.

    The correct approach from the very beginning should of been for Team Brady to challenge the NFL to PROVE the footballs deflated by manual manipulation and to call out, per the CBA, the violation of integrity by Goodel on the many LIES that he manufactured throughout the entire process.

    Had Brady hired the right team of attorneys and aggressively went after Goodel with SCIENCE, FACTS, and the exposure of the Brady destroyed the Phone evidence Fraud, he would of easily won the battle.

    The blame also falls heavily on Kraft for capitulating to Goodel in a secret meeting with the other Owners.
    Kraft is a billionaire and Brady has millions = Kraft & Brady chose the CHEAP route (NFLPA) and they LOST.

    Even this most recent rebuke by Kraft towards Goodel/NFL is like putting a Band-Aid on a shark bite victim.

    Brady & Kraft need to ‘MAN-UP’ and go after Goodel and the Lies he perpetrated to destroy an innocent man.

  79. Sigh, all the stupid Patriots fans are getting thumbs up comments. Go ahead Brady worshipers, you have every right to be delusional. Your god is a fraud, just so you know. He quit and now everyone knows he’s guilty.

  80. In the future, a best-selling movie will FOREVER PRESERVE the disgraceful actions of the current NFL office and forever preserve the excellence of this Great Football Team.

    Since the end of the first half of the game in question: Brady 44 Touchdowns, 9 Interceptions; AFC Championship WIN; Super Bowl WIN; and helped his team win enough games to play in the last AFC Championship game.

    FACTS:
    During 19 January, 2015 (day after AFC Championship Game), an official letter sent to Mr. Kraft from the senior vice president of NFL operations (David Gardi) informed the Patriots that an investigation will be conducted.

    1. FACT: On page two, the letter states the following: … “each of the Colts’ game balls that was inspected met the requirements set forth.” READ THE LETTER!

    That statement turns out to be totally not true. Page 8, of the Wells report confirms that 3 of the 4 Colts’ footballs were in fact deflated. Who from the NFL office directed to stop testing the Colts’ remaining 8 footballs???

    2. FACT: The NFL has admitted that they DID NOT know anything about the Ideal Gas Law (IGL). That admission is incredible!

    3. FACT: Brady was found guilty by the NFL office based on “ASSUMPTIONS AND DATA THAT IS UNCERTAIN” (quote Wells Report).

    4. What would you do if someone in your family was accused and deemed guilty based on “ASSUMPTIONS AND DATA THAT IS UNCERTAIN” (quote Wells Report)? Could you accept that???

    5. Why wouldn’t Brady turn his cell phone in? …… Would you provide your cell phone to folks that you know are not truthful (19 Jan. letter)???

    6. FACT: NFL announces creation of PSI rules shortly before leaking story that Brady “destroys” phone. Thus, the public quickly forgets the NFL admits they had no PSI rules or knowledge of the Ideal Gas Law.

    7. This is AMERICA and King Roger and Troy Vincent are NOT bigger than our great Country! The Missouri Supreme Court, in a separate case, stated in May, 2015: …. “the terms of the contract designating the NFL commissioner, an employee of the team owners, as the sole arbitrator with unfettered discretion to establish the rules for arbitration are unconscionable and, therefore, unenforceable”.

    In the future, a best-selling movie will FOREVER PRESERVE the disgraceful actions of the current NFL office and forever preserve the excellence of this Great Football Team.

  81. osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:03 PM

    The investigation wasn’t flawed or biased. The Ideal Gas “Law” is easily refuted.

    ———————————————————————-

    I believe that my car tires are filled with the same gas that is in footballs. Please explain why I have to add air to my car tires each year on the first cold day when the cold weather causes them to deflate and the low tire pressure indicator light comes on ???

    While you are at it you can explain why I always had to add air to basketballs that were left in an unheated garage and were then taken out to use on a winter day???

  82. Pats fans- meaning those whose posts are so long with stuff that nobody is going to read anyway making it ridiculous to scroll any topic…

    Enough. It’s over. He is suspended. Let it go.

    The sooner you let it go the sooner you can get back to talking about football in your own team’s topics in peace instead of this crap.

  83. bleedingfacemask says:
    Jul 15, 2016 4:53 PM
    larryodavid says:
    Jul 15, 2016 4:28 PM

    Gravity is a theory, but there is a lot of empirical evidence that it’s a pretty accurate theory to explain physical phenomena.
    ——————

    General Relativity is a theory of gravity. Gravity itself is a phenomenon, or a physically observable fact.

    And not one expert has claimed to have physically observed those balls deflating outside the bathroom.
    _________________

    Is this a joke? What are you talking about? Physically observable fact? Do you know what a theory is?

    The balls didn’t deflate. That’s the whole point. You can’t measure something that concludes a negative result, then claim a clear difference and say “you didn’t physically observe something NOT happening, so it must have happened”

  84. Hilarious! You Brady defenders keep deflecting with
    science like Johnny Cochran in the OJ trial when there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence right there….

    …and Im not a Pats “hater” which is what you call anyone who disagrees with you.

  85. bleedingfacemask says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:51 PM

    The Ideal Gas Law is a nice theory about what might have happened, proposed by smart people. But it’s a theory, there is no way to know if it was the cause in this specific case.

    On the other side, Florio posted on Jan 26, 2015 at 10:55PM that there was a video that the Patriots handed over, showing a Patriots employee sneaking a bag of footballs into a locking bathroom. Considering how long this person had been employed, he knew he wasn’t even supposed to be in possession of those balls.
    —————————–

    Air contracts in cold temperatures. How hard is that to understand?

    McNally didn’t sneak anywhere. He took the footballs down to the field, like he normally did, walking past numerous league employees in the process. Then he stopped to take a leak, bringing the footballs into the bathroom, so they weren’t unattended in the hallway.

    Do you actually believe the lie that McNally stole the footballs out from under the noses of the referees, on a day when the NFL was trying to run a sting operation, and no one said or did anything about it, and they just let a half of football play out as if nothing was wrong?

  86. The only reason this got as far as it did is because the system of checks and balances was bargained away by the NFLPA and Goodell was able to impose his own brand of kangaroo court justice. The next round of negotiations that occurs between the owners and the NFLPA will prove to be a protracted process that will likely result in even higher ticket pricing to account for abuses such as this, and perhaps a player strike/lockout. Laugh away losers, as this “victory” for NFL integrity will be hollow and short lived.

  87. Try searching the popular online video site for: “The Ideal Gas Law: Crash Course Chemistry #12” (Crash Course).

    Then watch as science crushes a soda can at 6:15 in the video. A small amount of water is added to the empty can and the can is then heated on a burner of a stove and is then moved into a bowl of ice water. The cold ice water causes a rapid drop in air pressure in the heated soda can and the soda can is seen crushing on its own.

    Understand that the soda can is really not empty. The soda can contains air. You know the same stuff that is pumped into footballs. The science that can be seen crushing the soda can is the same science that the NFL convinced so many gullible Patriots detractors to deny.

    Remember it was 49 degrees and raining during that football game but the PSI measurements didn’t need to be as dramatic as the soda can experiment.

  88. Did someone really say that footballs are filled with atmosphere, so that refutes the Ideal Gas Law?

    Yep. I just checked.

  89. Really? Who goes into so much text conversations about footballs as The Deflator does? Why?…because you are doing something you’re not supposed to? It’s so obvious, but then again it’s the Patriots. Win at ANY cost should be their motto.

  90. When the NFL began releasing false information, with every single nugget exaggerating the facts against Brady and the Patriots, we should all have expected the sham investigation that followed.
    And yet Goodell apologized not once for his people leaking info which was nothing less than defamatory.
    And to our knowledge, not one of his people faced any negative consequence for those egregious acts.
    That right there is conduct detrimental to the game, but Goodell just skates free as always.

  91. cornerstone2001 says:
    Jul 15, 2016 7:08 PM
    Hilarious! You Brady defenders keep deflecting with
    science like Johnny Cochran in the OJ trial when there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence right there….

    …and Im not a Pats “hater” which is what you call anyone who disagrees with you.
    _________

    That analogy would work if there were no dead bodies at the oj trial.

  92. Goodel, who works for $45 million, was ordered by some jealous/hateful owners to go after Brady. This became a PERSONEL ASSAULT CAMPAIGN using vague rules and a hired-gun (Exponent/Well$) to fabricate the worse scandal ever committed by the NFL.

    Brady FAILED to recognize the magnitude of corruption by the NFL/NYC Office and the length of outright LIES they use, along with the Media, to get their way.

    Political correctness in the NFL = Lies, avoiding FACTS, not answering questions TRUTHFULLY, Hiding/Distorting Information from the Public and above all = PARITY by Scripted NYC Penalty Play calling and Refs who are ordered to make sure the outcome of games abide by the NFL/NYC Headquarters.

  93. cornerstone2001 says:
    Jul 15, 2016 7:08 PM

    Hilarious! You Brady defenders keep deflecting with
    science like Johnny Cochran in the OJ trial when there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence right there….

    …and Im not a Pats “hater” which is what you call anyone who disagrees with you.
    ——————————

    Do you not understand that the whole Psigate case hinges on whether or not air was let out of the footballs? If there is no evidence that any air was let out of the footballs, which there isn’t, and there is nothing to show that anyone directed anyone else to deflate footballs below 12.5PSI, which there isn’t, then any alleged circumstantial evidence is meaningless, which it is.

  94. It’s a great day for league parity. With the help of the NFL 31 teams were successful in cheating the Patriots out of 2 draft picks and preventing Tom Brady from playing in 25% of the 2016 NFL season. Lucky for the NFL that so many people can’t understand basic science and also didn’t notice that the NFL kept secret all the PSI information that was collected during the 2015 season. Not to mention all the NFL lies use of the media to plant stories when the time was beneficial to CONvincing so many gullible people.

  95. boogerhut says:
    Jul 15, 2016 6:09 PM
    t against gravity and for the world indeed being flat.

    Um, OK. Try to keep up son. The Ideal Gas Law only applies to Ideal gasses. Footballs are filled with atmosphere. Atmosphere is a mixture of gasses and not a Ideal gas. A mixture of GASSES are not a Ideal GAS. See the difference between single and plural? It’s really not that hard of a concept.
    ==================

    What an epic fail! You actually believed what other uninformed trolls have posted about this in the past. Maybe you should have read more of the responses to those posts. There is no such thing as an “Ideal Gas.” It is a hypothetical used in furtherance of the mathematical proof of the IGL and in it’s practical applications which are many in, among other things, the petrochemical industry.

    In the interest of full disclosure, I am a chemical engineer not a physicist but a high school chemistry student could have given you the same response.

  96. skooter519 says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:09 PM
    This suspension is one of the biggest travesties in sports history. Suspending a player for generally being aware the balls lose pressure when the temperature drops but Roger Goofball won’t release the psi tests during the year.
    ————-

    Dude, get real. Everyone knows Brady was involved. He never even truly denied it. The issue is whether the NFL handled it correctly. Clearly, they bungled it massively. The other issue is whether the courts can intervene, or whether the NFL is allowed to discipline its employees as it sees fit. You have your answer.

  97. If Tom Brady was actually guilty then why did the NFL have to tell “56 NFL Deflategate Lies” ?

    If Tom Brady was actually guilty then why did the NFL keep the PSI information that was collected during the NFL season secret ?

    If Tom Brady was actually guilty then why were three out of the four Colts footballs measured during the same game and found to have PSI readings below the mandatory 12.5 PSI ?

    If Tom Brady was actually guilty then why didn’t the NFL retract the false report claiming that 11 out of 12 Patriots footballs were 2 PSI below the mandatory 12.5 PSI before it was allowed to fester in the news for 6 months ?

    If Tom Brady was actually guilty then who is inflating sealed bags or plastic wrap covered containers inside my microwave when they are heated ?

  98. larryodavid:

    How is it easily refuted? Why hasn’t anyone done it? Where are the in-game measurements the NFL collected? Why were the Colts balls signficantly less than their pregame pressure? Were they cheating too?

    The Wells report concluded the ball pressure was within the expected range for a football game played at that temperature. It took a lot of backwards logic to reach the conclusion the balls were deflated.
    ————————-

    Are you actually denying that Brady was involved in a scheme to deflate game balls? Come on, man. Everyone knows he was. The question is the NFL process and the court proceedings. One can believe Brady is a cheater and still think the NFL bungled the investigation. One can also think, as I do, that despite the NFL doing a terrible, incompetent job, they have the legal right to do so.

  99. I forgot, Kraft also was Goodell’s biggest cheerleader when the Redskins and Cowboys got in trouble for violating the cap during the lockout. Kraft’s arrogance and cheating mentality has tainted his Tommy.

  100. maust1013 says:
    Jul 15, 2016 7:54 PM

    In the interest of full disclosure, I am a chemical engineer not a physicist but a high school chemistry student could have given you the same response.
    ————————————————————–

    Ok we finally have someone that is “qualified” to answer a few questions:

    Why do my car tires deflate on the first day that the weather gets cold?

    Why if I inflated a basketball indoors and then took it outside to play during the winter did I always have to add more air after a while unless I intentionally over inflated it to start with?

    Why did my 5th grade science teacher do an experiment with a metal loop on the end of a metal rod and a metal ball on the end of a metal rod. The ball did could not fit through the loop. But after the loop was heated with a Bunsen burner the ball could fit though the loop because the metal loop got bigger?

    Why do many bridges need expansion joints?

  101. The most ridiculous aspect of all this is that even if the balls were deliberately deflated (and the evidence says the opposite, that they started at 12.5 and naturally dropped), then it’s not even listed as a potential violation of the rules that players agree to abide by. Instead it’s a minor team violation.

    And now Goodell can deny ANY player the right to anything resembling the actual “arbitration” process that the CBA states has to happen. An arbitrator cannot ignore that the violation doesn’t apply to players, and cannot introduce new claims or evidence then deny the defense any chance to answer them. An arbitrator cannot increase the findings of the original internal case. An arbitrator cannot lie about the defendant’s testimony and use that lie to further damn the defendant – but he can now, thanks to the 2nd circuit.

  102. newmancave2016 says:
    Jul 15, 2016 8:05 PM
    larryodavid:

    How is it easily refuted? Why hasn’t anyone done it? Where are the in-game measurements the NFL collected? Why were the Colts balls signficantly less than their pregame pressure? Were they cheating too?

    The Wells report concluded the ball pressure was within the expected range for a football game played at that temperature. It took a lot of backwards logic to reach the conclusion the balls were deflated.
    ————————-

    Are you actually denying that Brady was involved in a scheme to deflate game balls? Come on, man. Everyone knows he was. The question is the NFL process and the court proceedings. One can believe Brady is a cheater and still think the NFL bungled the investigation. One can also think, as I do, that despite the NFL doing a terrible, incompetent job, they have the legal right to do so.

    ______________________________________

    I asked several questions in my post. You did not answer anything.

    In reply to your question: No I am not denying that Brady cheated (where in my post did you infer that?). I am asserting that, in the absence of any prejudgements/bias/politic, there is no credible evidence that the footballs were deflated. That’s it.

  103. factpurveyor says:
    Jul 15, 2016 8:18 PM

    Why did my 5th grade science teacher do an experiment with a metal loop on the end of a metal rod and a metal ball on the end of a metal rod. The ball did could not fit through the loop. But after the loop was heated with a Bunsen burner the ball could fit though the loop because the metal loop got bigger?

    —————————————————————–

    Just found a video online of a similar experiment.
    But in this case the ball fit through the loop until the ball was heated. The video title is “Heat – Ball and Ring “.

  104. Shut up Bobby! When first confronted with you latest cheating scam you coughed up the draft choices, fired the locker room boys………hardly the actions of an innocent man. You will never learn.

  105. The players were sold down the drain by the union, they looked the other way, and the players looked at the new money, both sides got what they ask for. Now play some football, stick a folk in this mess. Bill

  106. Ok let’s be honest here Pats fans SOMETHING happened during spygate and something more than anyone is letting on . Why destroy tapes if they were ” doing what everybody else does ” . I’m of the belief they DID tape parts of the Rams walk through in SBXXXVI . And who knows what else ? And don’t give me BS about it was only because it was done from this sideline or that . SOMETHING happened to create a strategic advantage ! When Rams players said ” they new our plays its like they were in our huddle ” along with what was said about taping it seems ” more probable than not ” it happened . Then Josh McD goes to Denver and gets busted FOR THE SAME THING !! WHERE do you suppose he was taught THAT tactic ?? Now deflategate . I’m sorry folks where there’s smoke there’s fire ! This was Goodells way of saying ” I did you a solid last time so this time I’m gonna punish you twice as hard ” .

  107. larryodavid says:
    Jul 15, 2016 7:05 PM
    bleedingfacemask says:
    Jul 15, 2016 4:53 PM
    larryodavid says:
    Jul 15, 2016 4:28 PM

    Gravity is a theory, but there is a lot of empirical evidence that it’s a pretty accurate theory to explain physical phenomena.
    ——————

    General Relativity is a theory of gravity. Gravity itself is a phenomenon, or a physically observable fact.

    And not one expert has claimed to have physically observed those balls deflating outside the bathroom.
    _________________

    Is this a joke? What are you talking about? Physically observable fact? Do you know what a theory is?

    The balls didn’t deflate. That’s the whole point. You can’t measure something that concludes a negative result, then claim a clear difference and say “you didn’t physically observe something NOT happening, so it must have happened”
    ————————————

    Nope, not a joke. I drop my cell phone into the toilet, and I have just proven via physical observation that gravity is a fact…not a theory.

    How gravity behaves under various different circumstances are called theories. Many of those theories have been proven, which explains the success NASA has been having over the last half century.

    Your second paragraph doesn’t make sense, because the balls DID deflate. If they hadn’t, no one would have been discussing this for the last 18 months.

    But I digress, nobody physically observed the Ideal Gas Law in action: it was only a proposed possibility for what MAY have happened…this is what we call a “theory”.

    So yeah, I know what a theory is.

  108. mmack66 says:
    Jul 15, 2016 7:10 PM

    McNally didn’t sneak anywhere. He took the footballs down to the field, like he normally did, walking past numerous league employees in the process. Then he stopped to take a leak, bringing the footballs into the bathroom, so they weren’t unattended in the hallway.
    —————————–
    Wow. Desperation produces the biggest lies, doesn’t it?

    As everyone has already read in the news reports, McNally initially said he did NOT stop at the bathroom, he went straight to the field. Later he said he stopped to take a leak, but did NOT take the balls inside with him. Then he didn’t have much of an answer when informed there was no toilet in that bathroom…I guess because he didn’t want to admit he did it in the sink?

    And then there is this quote, “the first time in “(Walt Anderson’s) 19 years that he’s been unable to locate the balls before a game. He’s flustered. The normally calm ref is “visibly concerned and uncharacteristically used an expletive” as they attempt to track down the footballs.”

    There was nothing that could be described as ” like he normally did”.

  109. doing a terrible, incompetent job, they have the legal right to do so.

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    trailerparkking says:
    Jul 15, 2016 8:12 PM
    I forgot, Kraft also was Goodell’s biggest cheerleader when the Redskins and Cowboys got in trouble for violating the cap during the lockout. Kraft’s arrogance and cheating mentality has tainted his Tommy.
    ——————
    Why do you (for a at least a year and half now) continue to make such hyperbolic statements (Kraft also was Goodell’s biggest cheerleader) that none of us (and especially you) can ever prove/disapprove/agree/disagree with? We all know you’re just trolling but seriously, dude, have a little pride, or, dare I say, integrity. Every one of your posts just kind of suck. Never any substance (facts) just more BS.

  110. sixringslikeatelephone says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:16 PM
    CHEATER. Legacy destroyed
    ———-
    I guess you can just lump ’em in with those PED-usin’ Steelers then.

    We’re coming for your “Rings” title, sh!tsburgh fans. Brady will get us #5, and Bill will stick around until he gets #6.

  111. If you put aside all judgement and whether you love Brady and the Patriots or despise them then think about this whole debacle, it will become pretty clear.

    Deflating footballs doesn’t help the QB or the team or anyone. At most it is preference. They want the QB to have their footballs as they prefer. That’s why they changed the rules. It doesn’t matter in any way to the integrity of the game whether it happened or not.

    It’s very clear that the real purpose of pursuing this for Goodell and the other owners was to try and find an excuse to make the Patriots open their kimono. They wanted to dig dirt on them and find out what they were doing to continue to win post Spygate. Except nothing was found, so they had to punish for this dumb issue and try to knock the Patriots down a peg so that other teams have a chance to catch up.

  112. sure are a lot of butt-hurt patriot fans on here. have to say they are the most persistent and ridiculous group on here.

    your team has the best coach. probably the best quarterback. both got there by the mindset that whatever needs to be done to get there gets done. and when they go a bit far, they have to be slapped back into line for the good of the game.

    now if someone would slap the rest of these whiny pencilnecks, we could all go on and watch football again.

  113. newmancave2016 says:
    Jul 15, 2016 8:03 PM

    skooter519 says:
    Jul 15, 2016 3:09 PM
    This suspension is one of the biggest travesties in sports history. Suspending a player for generally being aware the balls lose pressure when the temperature drops but Roger Goofball won’t release the psi tests during the year.
    ————-

    Dude, get real. Everyone knows Brady was involved. He never even truly denied it. The issue is whether the NFL handled it correctly. Clearly, they bungled it massively. The other issue is whether the courts can intervene, or whether the NFL is allowed to discipline its employees as it sees fit. You have your answer.

    ————

    Everyone knows Brady was involved in a conspiracy to slightly deflate footballs and cover it up? Do you see how dumb that is when you read it. You’ve been sold by Goodell. It doesn’t even matter what the inflation level is and it never has. The game officials used to just squeeze the ball for goodness sake. The tail has wagged the dog.

    BTW, Brady did explicitly deny it. Check his testimony.

  114. trailerparkking says:
    Jul 15, 2016 8:12 PM

    I forgot, Kraft also was Goodell’s biggest cheerleader when the Redskins and Cowboys got in trouble for violating the cap during the lockout. Kraft’s arrogance and cheating mentality has tainted his Tommy.

    ———–

    From the Buffalo news, 2014:

    “But here come the Patriots anyway, relentless figures emerging from the miasma, barely breaking stride as they step over your team’s smoldering carcass and head back to the playoffs.”

    Expect to see them step over your team again.

  115. VIDEO PROOF THAT TOM BRADY AND THE PATRIOTS WERE CHEATED BY THE NFL:

    —– While watching you should understand that it was 49 degrees on January 18, 2015 when The Patriots played The Colts.
    —– You should also consider that in some of these videos it is evident based on what the people say that some were not yet aware of the false 6 month ESPN report claiming that all but one of the Patriots footballs were a full 2 PSI below 12.5 PSI. It was later reported that only one football had a reading below 2 PSI.
    —– You should also remember that none of the talking heads in the news ever mentioned rain as a factor that contributed to the natural deflation of footballs.
    —– You can find these videos by using the popular search site that begins with “Yah…” and searching for the titles online. The videos can all be found as links to the popular online video site with a name beginning with “You…”.

    First experiment & video —– Short video where they show just the results of testing 12 authentic NFL footballs. In the test they got the footballs wet but only lowered the temperature to 50 degrees. The results show that that the average PSI drop was 1.8 PSI. They also found that the most a football dropped was 1.9 PSI. This tester also explains that when a football gets wet the leather expands. This expansion allows the football to stretch a very small amount making the container larger. It is known that the same volume of air in a larger container results in a lower PSI.
    The video is titled: “HEADSMART LABS “DEFLATEGATE” STUDY”

    Second experiment & video —– A Steelers fan uses 2 authentic NFL footballs and good gauges and a digital thermometer. He does several tests on video using a refrigerator where the temperature fluctuated between 48 and 52 degrees. He explains some science concerning the wet conditions but does not get the ball wet. He suggests that because the Colts were the visiting team that their footballs could have been subjected to outdoor temperatures while the team was traveling while the Patriots footballs were being kept indoors. Note: this guy didn’t appear to know that the Colts footballs also had results below 12.5 PSI. He also didn’t seem to know that the Colts footballs were allowed to warm up indoors while the Patriots footballs were measured twice.
    The video is titled: “DEFLATE GATE & WHY SCIENCE SAYS THE PATRIOTS DID NOT TAMPER WITH FOOTBALLS”.

    Third experiment & video —– done by a guy that worked to simulate a test environment approximating the game day field conditions. This included using an authentic NFL football while simulating the cold, the rain and wind chill. Consideration is given to the wet leather becoming more pliable and thus affecting the volume. The tests is conducted on video in a basement of a cabin. The tester uses digital weather station and a high-tech digital thermometer and an old fashioned tire gauge.
    The video is titled: “DEFLATE GATE TESTED”.

    Fourth experiment & video —– simple test where the guy uses a recreational football and doesn’t get the football wet. The tester uses a digital multimeter with a thermal coupler attached. He also uses an infrared thermometer. He also uses an electric inflator that has a digital pressure display.
    The video is titled: “PREESSURE TESTING A FOOTBALL TO NFL STANDARDS #DEFLATEGATE”

    Fifth experiment & video —– Engineers in Massachusetts using high-tech equipment do a test and show you the entire test on video so that should keep intelligent people from calling them “patriots homers”.
    The video is titled: “DEFLATEGATE – ENGINEERING COMPANY DEMONSTRATES TEMPERATURE’S INFLUENCE ON PRESSURE OF NFL FOOTBALL”

    Sixth experiment & video: —— A guy provides statistical analysis of the Wells report. He explains the discrepancy caused by allowing the Colts footballs to warm up while the Patriots footballs were being measured. He also discusses the NFL using 2 pressure gauges.
    The video is titled: “DEFLATEGATE DEBUNKED : WHY THE WELLS REPORT IS WRONG AND DATA EXONERATES THE PATRIOTS”

    Seventh experiment & video —— An Eagles fan that is a MIT Professor of Mechanical and Ocean Engineering does a live class lecture. He seems to have studied all the facts related to deflategate and presents everything on video while providing a thorough analysis of the Exponent data for what appears to be a high level physics class.
    A shorter video is titled: “MIT Professor Debunks Deflategate” – (shows some information that is not in the other longer video)
    A longer video is titled: “TAKING THE MEASURE OF DEFLATEGATE” ¬– a highly intelligent person presenting tons of information and analysis.

    Information and data from actual experiments is available right there on those videos. It’s too bad that so many people will never understand anything about deflategate other than their biased counter factual opinions which they established while viewing opinionated talking heads and the people they interviewed on sports related television shows. Mostly interviews done in sports markets outside of New England where former players from teams that are rivals of the Patriots just ranted and speculated. A far cry from the science shown in the above videos.

  116. VIDEO PROOF THAT TOM BRADY AND THE PATRIOTS WERE CHEATED BY THE NFL:

    —– While watching you should understand that it was 49 degrees on January 18, 2015 when The Patriots played The Colts.
    —– You should also consider that in some of these videos it is evident based on what the people say that some were not yet aware of the false 6 month ESPN report claiming that all but one of the Patriots footballs were a full 2 PSI below 12.5 PSI. It was later reported that only one football had a reading below 2 PSI.
    —– You should also remember that none of the talking heads in the news ever mentioned rain as a factor that contributed to the natural deflation of footballs.
    —– You can find these videos by using the popular search site that begins with “Yah…” and searching for the titles online. The videos can all be found as links to the popular online video site with a name beginning with “You…”.

    First experiment & video —– Short video where they show just the results of testing 12 authentic NFL footballs. In the test they got the footballs wet but only lowered the temperature to 50 degrees. The results show that that the average PSI drop was 1.8 PSI. They also found that the most a football dropped was 1.9 PSI. This tester also explains that when a football gets wet the leather expands. This expansion allows the football to stretch a very small amount making the container larger. It is known that the same volume of air in a larger container results in a lower PSI.
    The video is titled: “HEADSMART LABS “DEFLATEGATE” STUDY”

    Second experiment & video —– A Steelers fan uses 2 authentic NFL footballs and good gauges and a digital thermometer. He does several tests on video using a refrigerator where the temperature fluctuated between 48 and 52 degrees. He explains some science concerning the wet conditions but does not get the ball wet. He suggests that because the Colts were the visiting team that their footballs could have been subjected to outdoor temperatures while the team was traveling while the Patriots footballs were being kept indoors. Note: this guy didn’t appear to know that the Colts footballs also had results below 12.5 PSI. He also didn’t seem to know that the Colts footballs were allowed to warm up indoors while the Patriots footballs were measured twice.
    The video is titled: “DEFLATE GATE & WHY SCIENCE SAYS THE PATRIOTS DID NOT TAMPER WITH FOOTBALLS”.

    Third experiment & video —– done by a guy that worked to simulate a test environment approximating the game day field conditions. This included using an authentic NFL football while simulating the cold, the rain and wind chill. Consideration is given to the wet leather becoming more pliable and thus affecting the volume. The tests is conducted on video in a basement of a cabin. The tester uses digital weather station and a high-tech digital thermometer and an old fashioned tire gauge.
    The video is titled: “DEFLATE GATE TESTED”.

    Fourth experiment & video —– simple test where the guy uses a recreational football and doesn’t get the football wet. The tester uses a digital multimeter with a thermal coupler attached. He also uses an infrared thermometer. He also uses an electric inflator that has a digital pressure display.
    The video is titled: “PREESSURE TESTING A FOOTBALL TO NFL STANDARDS #DEFLATEGATE”

    Fifth experiment & video —– Engineers in Massachusetts using high-tech equipment do a test and show you the entire test on video so that should keep intelligent people from calling them “patriots homers”.
    The video is titled: “DEFLATEGATE – ENGINEERING COMPANY DEMONSTRATES TEMPERATURE’S INFLUENCE ON PRESSURE OF NFL FOOTBALL”

    Sixth experiment & video: —— A guy provides statistical analysis of the Wells report. He explains the discrepancy caused by allowing the Colts footballs to warm up while the Patriots footballs were being measured. He also discusses the NFL using 2 pressure gauges.
    The video is titled: “DEFLATEGATE DEBUNKED : WHY THE WELLS REPORT IS WRONG AND DATA EXONERATES THE PATRIOTS”

    Seventh experiment & video —— An Eagles fan that is a MIT Professor of Mechanical and Ocean Engineering does a live class lecture. He seems to have studied all the facts related to deflategate and presents everything on video while providing a thorough analysis of the Exponent data for what appears to be a high level physics class.
    A shorter video is titled: “MIT Professor Debunks Deflategate” – (shows some information that is not in the other longer video)
    A longer video is titled: “TAKING THE MEASURE OF DEFLATEGATE” ¬– a highly intelligent person presenting tons of information and analysis.

  117. Wells made it clear, that this was not just about science. This was also about failure to cooperate, lack of candor as well as those texts and the communications between Brady and JJ. This was not a flawed investigation Mr. Kraft. However, the integrity of Tom Brady is absolutely flawed beyond repair. He not only failed to cooperate. part of a contract he willing signed but amped that up to obstruction when he destroyed his cell phone. And how about Brady’s perjury? Pats fans screamed for months how Brady testified under oath and yet refuse to deal with the proven facts that he committed perjury.

  118. Limakey, really? “Proven facts” that he committed perjury? Why you continually make stuff up and type it, I have no idea, but your anti-Brady agenda must have years and years of losing attached to it.

  119. Here’s what we now know:

    1. The punishment didn’t come close to fitting the “crime”

    2. There was no “scheme” to cheat the game–at the most, it was to not have overinflated balls as evidenced by Brady CALLING IT TO THE REFS ATTENTION prior to all of this.

    3. Goodell and his minions have been proven as an agenda-driven, lying group of scoundrels that have been corrupted by their inflated sense of power and position.

    I will agree with one point that has been made by all the detractors: Jastrzemski and McNally would never do anything with the balls that wasn’t part of an “understanding” between them and Brady. That doesn’t at ALL mean they were instructed to make the balls illegal–just to ensure that they were on the low end of the rules where Brady likes them.

    Big deal. What a colossal waste of time and money.

  120. trailerparkking says:
    Jul 15, 2016 8:12 PM
    I forgot, Kraft also was Goodell’s biggest cheerleader when the Redskins and Cowboys got in trouble for violating the cap during the lockout. Kraft’s arrogance and cheating mentality has tainted his Tommy.
    ____________________

    Actually the one leading that charge was the stuffed shirt that gets my season ticket money. John Mara is the south end of a north bound horse and out of the litany of things he has done to prove it few were more embarrassing than that one.

  121. 21 scientists from across he country said it best in their brief to the court. ” it is no tampering . It is science”. Now that will look good on a shirt.
    There was no tampering!

  122. bleedingfacemask says:
    Jul 15, 2016 11:01 PM

    And then there is this quote, “the first time in “(Walt Anderson’s) 19 years that he’s been unable to locate the balls before a game. He’s flustered. The normally calm ref is “visibly concerned and uncharacteristically used an expletive” as they attempt to track down the footballs.”

    ________________________________________

    Hold on. I thought this was an ongoing scheme that was happening for years. Now this is the first time it’s ever happened?

  123. The Patriots have created a culture of cheating. I can only imagine it starts at the top with Kraft and oozes down through the rest of that rotten franchise.

    4 games isn’t enough for me. Cheaters should be banned for ruining the integrity of the game.

    The next thing we will know the Patriots will get caught illegally video taping other teams practices, illegally taping other teams play signals, illegally using the IR list, lying about player injuries, and sending out a snowplow to clear the field for their teams kicker.

    Oh wait…..

  124. Deflategate is Parity Without Brady.
    Losers and haters can spin it all they want. Other owners conspired to take Brady out so their losers teams can have a shot at the SB. Failed.
    Brady is the GOAT.

  125. The biggest question is why the NFL leaked erroneous PSI levels, and sent a letter to the Patriots with the same erroneous PSI levels. This lie should be the issue, not 0.2 PSI levels.
    There was no tampering!
    The other issue is why they believed everything Walt Anderson said until it didn’t meet their agenda. If the NFL believed Walt when he stated which gauge he had used framegate was over before it started.

  126. atthemurph says:
    Jul 16, 2016 3:14 PM

    The next thing we will know the Patriots will get caught illegally video taping other teams practices, illegally taping other teams play signals, illegally using the IR list, lying about player injuries, and sending out a snowplow to clear the field for their teams kicker.
    ——————————————————————

    Wow, so much false information packed into a single paragraph. Let’s examine the false claims one by one:

    —–Patriots never taped any other team’s practices. That was a false rumor. Apparently it just takes time for some people to catch up with corrected news once a false story is published.
    —-Cameras are not illegal during games. Almost 10 years ago the Patriots had a camera in the wrong location for a portion of a game against the Jets. They were punished for it and the matter was closed the time, although it is still mentioned from time to time by crybabies.
    —–Patriots always follow the league rules regarding the IR list. It was Andrew Luck that was investigated for not disclosing a rib injury.
    —–There was no rule against snow plows at the time. The worker was sitting there with the snow plow running to clear snow off yard markers during the game where it was snowing. The other team was stupid and called a time out to try to ice the kicker. The kick was good. No cheating.

  127. Trolls Win The Public Opinion Bowl!

    Yay Trolls!

    When is the trophy ceremony for that again?

    Awe, no validation or recognition for the willfully ignorant Trolls. Only on message boards. 🙁

    Have fun yelling “cheater” at your TV screen
    when Brady makes another deep playoff run. Enjoy knowing that no one in New England hears your whimpers or cries while visiting the Four Super Bowl trophies and RingS at 1 Patriot place. Validation and recognition! Check out NFL.com and the record books for more of the same….Ahh,hahahahahahahahahaha.

    20+ Years of NFL DOMINANCE and there is nothing you can do to change it, but cry on a message board…

    You mad bro?

  128. larryodavid says:
    Jul 16, 2016 3:08 PM
    bleedingfacemask says:
    Jul 15, 2016 10:37 PM

    Nope, not a joke. I drop my cell phone into the toilet, and I have just proven via physical observation that gravity is a fact…not a theory.

    How gravity behaves under various different circumstances are called theories. Many of those theories have been proven, which explains the success NASA has been having over the last half century.

    Your second paragraph doesn’t make sense, because the balls DID deflate. If they hadn’t, no one would have been discussing this for the last 18 months.

    But I digress, nobody physically observed the Ideal Gas Law in action: it was only a proposed possibility for what MAY have happened…this is what we call a “theory”.

    So yeah, I know what a theory is.

    ______________________________________

    No I don’t think you do. When you drop a phone in a toilet, the fact is you dropped a phone in a toilet. The effect of the phone dropping can be explained by gravitational (or relativity) theory.

    You said that thermodynamics was “just a theory” and I said “so is gravity”. You seem to be arguing that gravity is not a theory? That’s where I’m confused. But you are right that theories explain how matter behaves under specific environmental conditions.

    As to the reason why “we’re still talking about it”. Some official thought that a ball at 72 degrees should have the same internal pressure after it is cooled to 48 degrees. It does not. This has been empirically proven over and over again, then packaged into a theory that explains the behavior of gases in confined spaces.

    The fact remains that these theories fully explain the pressure differences between pre-game and halftime. The amount of air in the ball was exactly the same. This is mentioned in the infamous Wells report (buried in a footnote). There was no deflation.

    You seem to be arguing for some alternative explanation. Some other phenomenon that confirms the balls were in fact deflated. A new theory that debunks thermodynamics, or perhaps only applies to this particular incidence.

    Maybe the change in air was not detectable because the gauges weren’t sensitive enough, or not calibrated correctly? This has been argued before, and it’s an incomplete dataset. (if only more in-game data existed… the NFL has one but is keeping it secret.) But the data can’t be used to conclude the balls were deflated based on existing theories. Maybe the balls were inflated higher than 12.5, then McNally deflated them down to 12.5 in 90 seconds?

    Or maybe… someone in the NFL office saw the numbers and overreacted. Someone called Mort. Even after they realized the numbers were consistent with expectations, a group of owners pushed Goodell to pursue punishment. They skewed the evidence to fit the “guilty” narrative. Compared to the conspiracy theory that is being touted, it seems a lot more plausible.

  129. larryodavid says:
    Jul 16, 2016 8:51 PM

    No I don’t think you do. When you drop a phone in a toilet, the fact is you dropped a phone in a toilet. The effect of the phone dropping can be explained by gravitational (or relativity) theory.

    You said that thermodynamics was “just a theory” and I said “so is gravity”. You seem to be arguing that gravity is not a theory?
    —————————
    Of course I’m arguing that gravity is not a theory. We don’t just float away while walking off a cliff in Encinitas while playing Pokemon Go, do we? Here’s a theory: you ignored everything I said and spewed nonsense out of desperation. Can I prove it? Well, kinda.

    For example: the “thermodynamics” (nice word choice, btw) of how the footballs deflated is nothing more than a hypothesis: experts THINK this MAY be the reason the footballs lost air. And the theory of relativity is not based on hypothesis, but on empirical discovery. If the experts cannot confirm their hypothesis as the reason the footballs lost air, it’s nothing more than a hypothesis, or “theory”.

    Gravity, on the other hand, is not a theory because we have empirical evidence as we watch the phone fall into the toilet. Or more precisely, the imaginary toilet that doesn’t actually exist in the bathroom that McNally used to take a leak.

  130. bleedingfacemask says:
    Jul 17, 2016 1:55 AM

    For example: the “thermodynamics” (nice word choice, btw) of how the footballs deflated is nothing more than a hypothesis: experts THINK this MAY be the reason the footballs lost air. And the theory of relativity is not based on hypothesis, but on empirical discovery. If the experts cannot confirm their hypothesis as the reason the footballs lost air, it’s nothing more than a hypothesis, or “theory”.

    Gravity, on the other hand, is not a theory because we have empirical evidence as we watch the phone fall into the toilet. Or more precisely, the imaginary toilet that doesn’t actually exist in the bathroom that McNally used to take a leak.
    —————————————

    The footballs didn’t actually lose any air, just air pressure. Numerous experts have confirmed that the loss of pressure could be accounted for due to the temperature on the field being lower than the temperature of the locker room. The rain had an effect as well. The fact that they added air to the footballs at halftime created the false impression that the Patriots footballs lost less air pressure in the second half of the game, and that was further indication of deflation, except that people didn’t realize that they were actually adding extra air to already properly inflated footballs.

    Of course there was a toilet in there. Where ever did you get the idea there wasn’t?

  131. guadalahonky says:
    Jul 16, 2016 4:48 PM

    Stop cheating your business partners, Robert Kraft.
    And there won’t be anymore problems with the league.
    ———————————-

    What business partners are you babbling about? The other owners? They aren’t his business partners.

  132. mmack66 says:
    Jul 17, 2016 11:14 AM

    Of course there was a toilet in there. Where ever did you get the idea there wasn’t?
    —————————–
    The Ted Wells Report, page 59.

    Let me get this straight…you don’t know the key details of DeflateGate, and you’re lecturing me as if you were a physics professor?

  133. gauchosporlife says:
    Jul 15, 2016 7:31 PM
    Really? Who goes into so much text conversations about footballs as The Deflator does? Why?…because you are doing something you’re not supposed to? It’s so obvious, but then again it’s the Patriots. Win at ANY cost should be their motto.
    ____________________________________
    Yeah, it is “so obvious” that the NFL had to lie 56+ times to dupe the willfully ignorant.

    It is “so obvious” that the Trolls have to deny 100+ years of proven Science to come to their conclusions.

    Is is “so obvious” that the Wells report at Pg. 12 states:
    ““the analysis of the data is ultimately dependent on ASSUMPTIONS and information that is UNCERTAIN”…

    Run along Trolls, you’ve been exposed as whiny crybabies that will be FORCED to watch another deep playoff run by TB12 and the Patriots. Ahhh, hahahahahahahahah!

    Thanks Roger, Patriots now get to evaluate their backup quarterback and not risk getting Brady hurt in four relatively meaningless games. (Pats will win the division anyway.) Patriots get to save TB12 for the games that really count.

    Back to the playoffs of the Patriots. Back to the Crybaby Loser’s Circle for the Trolls!

    Patriots, TB12 & Patriot Fans Win Again!

  134. goodellontherun says:
    Jul 17, 2016 2:18 PM

    Is is “so obvious” that the Wells report at Pg. 12 states:
    ““the analysis of the data is ultimately dependent on ASSUMPTIONS and information that is UNCERTAIN”…
    ———————————
    Immediately following your partial quote is,

    “Based on the testing and analysis, however, Exponent concluded that, within the range of likely game conditions and circumstances studied, they could identify no set of credible environmental or physical factors that completely accounts for the Patriots halftime measurements or for the additional loss in air pressure exhibited by the Patriots game balls”

    You’ve been exposed…

  135. bleedingfacemask says:
    Jul 17, 2016 1:55 AM
    larryodavid says:

    Of course I’m arguing that gravity is not a theory. We don’t just float away while walking off a cliff in Encinitas while playing Pokemon Go, do we? Here’s a theory: you ignored everything I said and spewed nonsense out of desperation. Can I prove it? Well, kinda.

    For example: the “thermodynamics” (nice word choice, btw) of how the footballs deflated is nothing more than a hypothesis: experts THINK this MAY be the reason the footballs lost air. And the theory of relativity is not based on hypothesis, but on empirical discovery. If the experts cannot confirm their hypothesis as the reason the footballs lost air, it’s nothing more than a hypothesis, or “theory”.

    Gravity, on the other hand, is not a theory because we have empirical evidence as we watch the phone fall into the toilet. Or more precisely, the imaginary toilet that doesn’t actually exist in the bathroom that McNally used to take a leak.

    _________________________________________

    I didn’t ignore anything you said. I just asserted that what you said was incorrect. I think you are ignoring my statement that, just like gravity, the behavior of gas in closed containers has been studied for centuries, and nothing from this incident proves those theories wrong.

    If I asked you “how fast did your phone fall into said toilet?” you could accurately predict it using a theoretical equation. In the same way, you can also predict changes in pressure over time due to temperature. It is an observable phenomenon.

    If you inflate a football, and move it from a warm to cold environment, it loses pressure. That is a fact.

    “If the experts cannot confirm their hypothesis..” is absurd, because they have. A lot. Exponent (along with several notable others) replicated the “experiment” that happened during the AFCCG and concluded that the air in the balls was not substantially different (or at best, the data is inconclusive). It’s impossible from the evidence to conclude that the footballs lost air pregame vs. halftime. Exponent tried really hard, but couldn’t “determine whether there was or was not tampering.”

  136. bleedingfacemask says:
    Jul 17, 2016 2:32 PM

    “Based on the testing and analysis, however, Exponent concluded that, within the range of likely game conditions and circumstances studied, they could identify no set of credible environmental or physical factors that completely accounts for the Patriots halftime measurements or for the additional loss in air pressure exhibited by the Patriots game balls”

    _________________________________________

    This part of the Wells report has been completely and thoroughly debunked.

    Since they couldn’t prove that the Patriot game balls were tampered with based on those numbers alone, they resorted to comparing the relative pressure losses between the Colts and Patriots footballs. The obvious problem with this is that the footballs were measured at different temperatures. When you correct for this, it confirms what was observed from the Patriots balls alone.

  137. larryodavid says:
    Jul 17, 2016 2:37 PM

    If you inflate a football, and move it from a warm to cold environment, it loses pressure. That is a fact.

    “If the experts cannot confirm their hypothesis..” is absurd, because they have. A lot. Exponent (along with several notable others) replicated the “experiment” that happened during the AFCCG and concluded that the air in the balls was not substantially different (or at best, the data is inconclusive).
    —————————–
    So, contradicting yourself isn’t absurd?

  138. Immediately following your partial quote is,

    “Based on the testing and analysis, however, Exponent concluded that, within the range of likely game conditions and circumstances studied, they could identify no set of credible environmental or physical factors that completely accounts for the Patriots halftime measurements or for the additional loss in air pressure exhibited by the Patriots game balls”

    You’ve been exposed…
    ______________________________________
    Sorry Troll, but we believe 100+ Years of Proven Science, numerous credible scientists, educators and professors…

    We don’t believe the already exposed and proven lies of Exponent, NFL, and Trolls…Only the willfully ignorant dupes still cling to that…

    Who let the air out of the Colt’s balls?

    CRICKETS! Exposed again as an ignorant dupe!

    Enjoy the Crybaby Loser’s Circle.

    20+ Years of NFL DOMINANCE and there is nothing you can do, but cry on a message board!

  139. bleedingfacemask says:
    Jul 17, 2016 1:42 PM

    mmack66 says:
    Jul 17, 2016 11:14 AM

    Of course there was a toilet in there. Where ever did you get the idea there wasn’t?
    —————————–
    The Ted Wells Report, page 59.

    Let me get this straight…you don’t know the key details of DeflateGate, and you’re lecturing me as if you were a physics professor?
    ——————————-

    That just says there wasn’t a urinal in there. Page 57 of the same report clearly states that there is a single toilet in there.

    Perhaps you should brush up on the basic details of Deflategate.

  140. bigbear331313 says:
    Jul 17, 2016 4:59 PM

    Who let the air out of the Colt’s balls?
    ————————-
    Considering that McNally took BOTH bags of footballs, for both teams (seriously…taking the OTHER team’s balls is OK?), that means nobody else could have taken the Colts balls to a place where the balls could be molested without being seen. So my answer is:

    McNally.

    It’s the perfect cover story, really. A few Colts balls are also low on air pressure, thereby allowing “plausible deniability”. So one could exclaim, “Why yes, Mr. Anderson, numerous Patriots balls were low, but LOOK! A few Colts balls are low, too! So there’s nothing to see here, because it’s the Ideal Gas Law in action!”

    Money says McNally didn’t even know it was called the Ideal Gas Law.

  141. mmack66 says:
    Jul 17, 2016 8:04 PM

    That just says there wasn’t a urinal in there. Page 57 of the same report clearly states that there is a single toilet in there.

    Perhaps you should brush up on the basic details of Deflategate.
    —————————
    First, a supposed contradiction in the report two pages apart does not mean you are correct.

    Second, the Wells report does not specifically state that the bathroom on page 57 is the same bathroom on page 59. Instead, the report specifies the bathroom with a urinal is located at the end of the tunnel, near doors that lead toward the field (arguably before the doors). McNally claimed to have used the bathroom at the field entrance on page 59 (arguably long after the doors).

    Also, why wouldn’t NcNally insist that there WAS a urinal, instead of saying he did not pay attention to what type of fixture he used? I mean, he worked there for decades, right? Besides, he should know what he’s aiming at when he takes a leak.

    Perhaps you should brush up on reading comprehension.

  142. So much stupidity here from Pats-haters.

    Brady didn’t cheat and this is NOT about air pressure. If it were, he would have been fined $24,000, per the rule book, end-of-story.

    You all sound ignorant when you cry “cheater!” THIS WAS ABOUT GOODELL’S POWER, not air pressure. Morons.

  143. drunkraider says:
    Jul 15, 2016 4:39 PM
    oh how quick we are to forget the past arnt we?

    first off, Roger was Krafts boy. thats how he got the damn job to begin with. a major endorsement from kraft.

    2nd. Krafts boy mister Roger did the pats a HUGE solid by destroying all the spygate evidence that would of shown how deep the video taping really was and how much of a fraud their super bowl wins were.

    but finally Roger cant cover up for them anymore and has to actually do something about the cheating and all the hate comes flowing from N.E.

    so quick they are to forget how this all came to be in the first place.
    ========================
    So basically Kraft and all Patriots fans should thank Roger for not one but two unprecedented punishments for fringe cheating that’s arguably been going on for decades within the entire NFL.

    Thanks Roger!!!! What a pal.

  144. boogerhut says:
    Jul 15, 2016 6:09 PM
    Please enlighten us as to how it’s easily refuted.

    While your at it let’s hear your argument against gravity and for the world indeed being flat.

    Um, OK. Try to keep up son. The Ideal Gas Law only applies to Ideal gasses. Footballs are filled with atmosphere. Atmosphere is a mixture of gasses and not a Ideal gas. A mixture of GASSES are not a Ideal GAS. See the difference between single and plural? It’s really not that hard of a concept.
    =============================
    The IGL can be used on real gases (honest, look it up). You know … on that ‘stuff’ the atmosphere is made up of. LOL

  145. bleedingfacemask says:

    Considering that McNally took BOTH bags of footballs, for both teams (seriously…taking the OTHER team’s balls is OK?), that means nobody else could have taken the Colts balls to a place where the balls could be molested without being seen. So my answer is:

    McNally.

    It’s the perfect cover story, really. A few Colts balls are also low on air pressure, thereby allowing “plausible deniability”. So one could exclaim, “Why yes, Mr. Anderson, numerous Patriots balls were low, but LOOK! A few Colts balls are low, too! So there’s nothing to see here, because it’s the Ideal Gas Law in action!”

    Money says McNally didn’t even know it was called the Ideal Gas Law.
    ____________________________________

    Like most Troll posts, this is a great piece of fictional writing, that only a willfully ignorant dupe would believe.

    So, now McNally deflated 15 balls in 90 seconds, when the whole NFL Ops Team couldn’t do 24 balls in a 20 minute halftime. Riiiight!

    Also, how exactly did McNally know the exact three Colts’ balls that would be tested at halftime out of their bag? Let me guess…MIND CONTROL BY THE PATRIOTS!!!

    Sounds like the makings of the next crybaby Troll accusation…

    This is too easy…

    Trolls lose again…

  146. boogerhut says:
    Jul 15, 2016 6:09 PM
    t against gravity and for the world indeed being flat.

    Um, OK. Try to keep up son. The Ideal Gas Law only applies to Ideal gasses. Footballs are filled with atmosphere. Atmosphere is a mixture of gasses and not a Ideal gas. A mixture of GASSES are not a Ideal GAS. See the difference between single and plural? It’s really not that hard of a concept.

    ………….

    Yes naturally occurring air is not an ideal gas, but that does not mean the ideal gas law’s principles cannot be applied along with basic thermodynamics. Your point doesn’t really apply.

  147. Hope the NFLPA keeps up the fight as Brady gave them the ok to proceed further. Brady again shows himself as the ultimate team player as he didn’t want to keep fighting with the prospect of missing late season games.

  148. bleedingfacemask says:

    Considering that McNally took BOTH bags of footballs, for both teams (seriously…taking the OTHER team’s balls is OK?), that means nobody else could have taken the Colts balls to a place where the balls could be molested without being seen. So my answer is:

    McNally.

    It’s the perfect cover story, really. A few Colts balls are also low on air pressure, thereby allowing “plausible deniability”. So one could exclaim, “Why yes, Mr. Anderson, numerous Patriots balls were low, but LOOK! A few Colts balls are low, too! So there’s nothing to see here, because it’s the Ideal Gas Law in action!”

    Money says McNally didn’t even know it was called the Ideal Gas Law.
    ………….

    The only tampering with footballs that has actually been proven was by the Colts, who deflated the interception football by sticking a needle in it to test it. That is illegal and they admitted it but the NFL didn’t care. why?

  149. braz says:
    Jul 15, 2016 6:46 PM

    For what it’s worth I believe Tom Brady did indeed get his guys to deflate footballs to 12.5

    Most likely he was tired of the refs over inflating balls way over his preference and thinking (correctly) the league didn’t give a crap about air pressure he directed his equipment guys to make sure they were all one standard pressure at where he liked it.

    So they did it. 12.5 is legal- which explains why he has said he hasn’t done anything wrong, explains the Wells report, explains the text messages perfectly, explains the deflator, and it just makes sense.

    I think this is something all fans across the nation would have bought as reasonable if he just admitted it at the beginning. Maybe he could said if they got carried away he is sorry and it won’t happen again. Then there would have been a fine and that’s it. Who knows why he went in a different direction so instead we got all this nonsense.

    Thankfully it’s over regardless and we can move on.

    90 days or so till kickoff.
    ….

    But there is exactly zero proof that Brady communicated with the equipment guys to mess with the balls after inflation. And why would Brady ask them to set the balls to 12.5 and then print out the rule and present it the refs? Why did the NFL consistently lie throughout the case and refuse to correct leaked lies? Why is the only scientific outlet to not think the weather did it the same one the NFL paid?

  150. I wish that for the first four games, EVERY Patriots player would wear No. 12 on his back. Brady will be doing HoF interviews in a few years while Goodell is selling ties on Bleeker Street.

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