With Laquon Treadwell on the Vikings, Norv Turner’s “Bang 8” could be back

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When Norv Turner coordinated the offense that featured The Triplets, the number eight had specific relevance to one of them.

Bang 8.

The number refers to the route from the Don Coryell route tree (a skinny post), and the “Bang” refers to what typically happened to Michael Irvin after he caught the ball.

Matt Vensel of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune explains how, with the Vikings adding big-bodied first-round wideout Laquon Treadwell, Bang 8 could be back in vogue for Turner, who now runs the offense in Minnesota.

The Vikings haven’t used the post route much under Turner, in part because they haven’t had the wideouts who could or would take the pounding from a safety who closes on the ball from the inside. Treadwell is believed to be able and willing to absorb the blows.

Irvin is one of those believers.

“Laquon’s more physically gifted than I was. And he looks to be a real competitor,” Irvin said, via Vensel. “Norv will take that and turn it into something great.”

One key component in Bang 8 will be the ability of quarterback Teddy Bridgewater to deliver the ball in a way that minimizes the Bang. If Bridgewater is off the mark, he could be leading Treadwell into a buzzsaw.

But that’s where rule changes aimed at limiting concussions could help Turner, Treadwell, and Bridgewater. With defenders no longer permitted to hit defenseless receivers in the head or neck or with the helmet, the risk of Treadwell getting blown up is reduced. And the chances of the Vikings passing game blowing up with Bang 8 is increased.

52 responses to “With Laquon Treadwell on the Vikings, Norv Turner’s “Bang 8” could be back

  1. Sure, and a good chance that Vikes Bang Boat will reappear on the water this summer too.

  2. This is based on the assumption that Teddy Checkdown is capable of throwing the ball more than 10 yards downfield.

    Also, Slowtread has to separate from the corner first.

  3. Treadwell or no Treadwell, what’s going to make that passing game work is going to be the offensive line. The receiving talent on the Vikings is underrated but that group had little opportunity to shine with two starters out before the first snap of the season, a rookie at RT and the fact that the line still managed to underachieve as a unit.

    Doesn’t matter if you’ve got Randy Moss, Chris Carter and Ahmad Rashad in their primes starting for you if your QB is running for his life every single play. If that offensive line can just be “good”, that passing attack is going to come to life. Treadwell playing well will just be gravy.

  4. Well the problem is the Vikings don’t have a general manager like Jerry Jones to build them a historic roster like Norv had in Dallas.

  5. With Kenny Clark on the Packers, Dom Capers amoeba defense could be back.

    Hmmmm,, somehow that does not sound quite as appealing. Don’t worry Packer fans. Eddie Lacy is doing P90x I hear.

  6. Treadwell has excellent skills at the line of scrimmage to prevent getting checked at the snap, and he has decent vertical go-get-it abilities…….against college players. He lacks an ability to create separation downfield. He’ll have his work cut out for him. I expect he will help some on offense but won’t be a difference-maker……at least not this year.

  7. We need a play like this. The only triplets my Packers can boast of, is Mike’s three chins. Aaron can throw any pass, and he has no fear of getting his receiver killed because he doesn’t care.

  8. If Norv gets this going for the Vikes, I will be jealous. Why can’t my Packers have a good offensive coordinator?

  9. abninf says:
    Jul 16, 2016 6:18 PM
    Well the problem is the Vikings don’t have a general manager like Jerry Jones to build them a historic roster like Norv had in Dallas.

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    Jimmy Johnson built that roster. Jerry Jones didn’t take control until after Johnson was gone.

  10. atwatercrushesokoye says:
    Jul 16, 2016 6:51 PM
    abninf says:
    Jul 16, 2016 6:18 PM
    Well the problem is the Vikings don’t have a general manager like Jerry Jones to build them a historic roster like Norv had in Dallas.

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    Jimmy Johnson built that roster. Jerry Jones didn’t take control until after Johnson was gone.
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    You’re making the mistaken assumption that facts have any bearing on what a green bay fan says. They live on a different planet, man.

  11. It will take C. Patterson all year to even spell “Bang 8” yet alone help run it. And according to everyone this summer Patterson is the most improved receiver on the roster so that play is dead already.

  12. I’ll admit Spielman had a few stinker drafts early on but the last five years he’s been hitting some bullseyes. And the last 2 years with Zimmers input he has been killing it. The cultist cry baby’s to the east won’t admit it the team knows it. Good luck in game 2 cheese dogs. You’ll need it.

  13. meh. It all comes down to the QB, and the Vikings don’t have one.

    Meanwhile, GB has a surefire top 10 of all time guy in the prime of his career.

    The minneaderthals are going to be SO upset starting week 2. 🙂

  14. Like every other off season for the past 55 years, a draft choice or free agent signing, or a rookie over his learning curve, that’s the ticket for the Vikings getting over the hump. There is a huge difference between potential and the eventual reality.

    You would think after 54 years of no championships, the Viking fan would tone it down, wait for the wins on the field and an actual playoff win before spouting off but you have underestimated the intelligence of the Viking fan base (I didn’t even think that was possible)

    So the guy looked good in college, let’s wait and see before you nominate him for the HOF.

  15. The Post play requires Theodore, to rely on anticpating when his WR will be open, something he does struggle with. Couldn’t Mike Wallace or Stefon Diggs handle running a post route?

    When Packer fans chime in, its usually on topic with the article, its the Viking fans who post stuff about that has NOTHING to do with the article. Like order of whom posts what, or bringing up the Packers in an article that has nothing to do with them

  16. So they’re going to innovate with a 20 year old offensive scheme, and a receiver that can’t even keep up with Phil Loadholt in the 40.

    This is going to be hilarious.

  17. skol4life says:
    Jul 16, 2016 7:28 PM
    I’ll admit Spielman had a few stinker drafts early on but the last five years he’s been hitting some bullseyes.
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    Speilman has only been the GM since 2012.

  18. I am a little disappointed in Norv’s offense. I expected bigger things. Peterson up the gut, Peterson left and short pass. It looked suspiciously like Childress’ kick ass offense. Right now I don’t care if he brings back a play from the leather helmet days. I would like to see some unpredictability and some explosiveness. It seems like a lot to ask Treadwell to fix a problem with the offense as a whole.

  19. I understand Treadwell isn’t the cure all for the Vikings offense, he has potential and can be a good fit for the scheme. I feel Norval’s offense was much more balanced and well rounded in Theodore’s Rookie year, AP doesn’t have good enough hands to be used to catch the ball out of the backfield. The Vikings best cure for the Vikings offense, is to get something for AP, they can get 2 decent RBs (they are easy to find as Rookies transition really well) and use that extra cap someplace else.

  20. 250dollarnflowner says:
    Jul 16, 2016 9:56 PM

    skol4life says:
    Jul 16, 2016 7:28 PM
    I’ll admit Spielman had a few stinker drafts early on but the last five years he’s been hitting some bullseyes.
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    Speilman has only been the GM since 2012.
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    But he’s been overseeing drafts since well before he was named GM. Minnesota Vikings fans: The most knowledgeable fans in the NFL- about hockey.

  21. Even if the Vikings were able to produce a cheap copy of the 90s Dallas offense they’d stay in contention…with an average defense. It’s way better than average, and might even be better this year.

    Watched some highlight vids of TB from 2015 and it was encouraging. Like this young quarterback very much, and he’s cool under pressure. That’s huge.

    No doubt GB is gearing up for the challenge and the motivation is there. The difference now is Zimmer’s team isn’t fazed by that. They fight, win or lose!

  22. Yeah, all Teddy has to do is become a competent NFL passer…oh

    Enough with the thing about having a bad offensive line. Every team has that struggle, so you can’t just blame Teddy’s awfulness on that.

  23. Vikings fans are going to be really surprised when their team takes a step back. In the NFL you need a QB to win, and Teddy is not good. Sorry Queens fans, Vikings for 3rd in the division.

  24. codiablo says:
    Jul 16, 2016 7:49 PM
    …………I read that article where Favre said he’d rather retire a Viking
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    No, you didn’t read that anywhere.

    The closest you’ll find is when he said; “I prefer the Vikings…….simpler playbook.”

  25. You have to wonder if some of the commenters above even watch the Vikings, let alone have a clue what the bang 8/skinny post entails. Then again, Packer fans often are so obsessed with their team they don’t really pay attention to others.

    If anything, that pattern fits the skills and perceived inadequacies of our QB (Bridgewater is accurate on that route distance, anticipates routes and reads defenses well) . As for the receivers, Diggs is too slight, Wright too small, and Cordoroy to undisciplined to run that route and/or take the hits. Treadwell has the best body type and has the skill set for those routes, as he’s built like Irvin and is as fast as Irvin. However, he lacks the pass catching skills of Irvin so we’ll have to wait and see.

  26. aaronitout12 says:
    Jul 17, 2016 12:09 AM
    The Vikings Super Bowl is earlier this year than in recent seasons. Does Zimmer have those “beat Green Bay” shirts made yet?
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    Zim doesn’t need to have those any more. His D is one more year experienced and, as he’s always done with his defenses, he’s taught and motivated them to attack running QBs like a wolves on a piece of meat. #cantwaituntilWeekTwo.

  27. Speilman has only been the GM since 2012.
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    But he’s been overseeing drafts since well before he was named GM. Minnesota Vikings fans: The most knowledgeable fans in the NFL- about hockey.
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    While Speilman has been overseeing the Viking drafts since 2008 he did not have total control until he was named GM in 2012. Before 2012 he had been sharing the ownership of who to choose with the coach and some suspect the owner as well making it difficult to determine which drafts picks were his choice even tough he was part of all the draft during that time.

    Mr Telekinesis: The most impressed with himself fan and not always 100% accurate when trying always to disparage fans from Minnesota.

  28. fansince68 says:
    Jul 17, 2016 2:39 AM

    Watched some highlight vids of TB from 2015 and it was encouraging. Like this young quarterback very much, and he’s cool under pressure. That’s huge.
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    I can understand wanting to burn up some time with it being the off-season but you can’t get TOO amped about hightlight videos there is a reason they are called that. I gather they didn’t show any of the 400 times Theodore turned around and handed it off did they?

    Elite RBs can usually get a team to hang around .500. It takes great QB play for the team to have a chance in the playoffs. Look at guys like Ricky Williams, Clinton Portis, Barry Sanders and Holmes, never really benefitted from great QB play. While Tomlinson had Rivers when the Chargers were their best recently, and AP had Favre.

    His QB rating had him right around Tannehill Fitzpatrick, and Bortle Theodore can be grow into a good QB, I don’t see him making Cam Newton like strides, but every QB has growing pains, the team needs to let him work them out though.

  29. cheeseisfattening says:
    Jul 17, 2016 3:56 PM

    While Speilman has been overseeing the Viking drafts since 2008 ….
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    Thank you for confirming exactly what I said:

    “But he’s been overseeing drafts since well before he was named GM”.

    As far as you and I know, the Wilf’s may still have input into the draft. Zygi Wilf is in the war room during drafts, and there’s even a pic of him and Spielman talking during the 2014 draft on the Star Tribune website. Get to know what goes on with your Vikings.

  30. meh. It all comes down to the QB, and the Vikings don’t have one.

    Meanwhile, GB has a surefire top 10 of all time guy in the prime of his career.

    The minneaderthals are going to be SO upset starting week 2.:) Who do the Vikings play week two with their 1-0 record? I understand it will be a tougher game than our week 1 opponent, But not to the point the Viking fans will be upset.

  31. Speilman has only been the GM since 2012. Wrong. Speilman has been the GM since 2011 and been in charge of the draft since 2007. When they still had a committee, with Spielman being the last word in the matter. Spielman draft pick have been better since Zimmer has been the head coach. Between Spielman and Zimmer Norv telling Spielman what type of players they want, Has lead to the Vikings rapid improvement.

  32. This is the team that is going to go all the way.
    You guys that are all worked up about TB’s hand size and Treadwells speed are going to get blown up by them.

  33. shaggytoodle says:
    Jul 17, 2016 4:05 PM

    I can understand wanting to burn up some time with it being the off-season but you can’t get TOO amped about hightlight videos there is a reason they are called that. I gather they didn’t show any of the 400 times Theodore turned around and handed it off did they?

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    ‘Highlight’ vids usually put a positive spin but it was interesting to watch and remember the way Bridgewater played in critical situations. He isn’t afraid and was effective throwing the ball in obvious passing situations and moved the team against some of the league’s better defenses.

    I wouldn’t expect drastic changes this year, and that means Teddy handing the ball to #28 lots of times. Running well and tough D will still win championships, as Denver proved last season.

  34. I am assuming they didn’t show his late game turnovers, and if you are a fan of a team that is HOPING Theodore is the Franchise QB you better hope for drastic changes, because in the 17 games the QB played including the post-season, he had fewer than 18 completions in 11 of them.

    While that may work for now, because the Vikings did have a good record in those games, he WILL NOT have the luxury of AP for much longer, and he will need to complete 20 or more passes to help the Vikings be a playoff them.

    Lastly, just because you “Aren’t Afraid” doesn’t mean much, Brett Favre, Tony Romo, and Jay Cutler “Aren’t Afraid” He NEEDS to show he is a Franchise QB this season, otherword people are are going to start consider calling him Teddy Pondwater.

  35. fmc651 says:
    Jul 19, 2016 11:52 AM

    shaggytoodle

    Teddy’s QB rating had him right around Rodgers’s 92.7
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    And what does that mean?

  36. frank b the fake Bears fan, it means Teddy isn’t as rotten as you packer fans like to post here. Use your head.

  37. Most people don’t think Teddy Bridgewater is rotten- he just doesn’t deserve the accolades that he gets, and right now he’s just a caretaker who is the beneficiary of a great defense and running back.

    QB rating, as is almost any single stat, is useless without the context of other stats

    For instance, although Rodgers is only a few points better in rating, he threw 17 more TD’s and one less INT than Bridgewater, and was far more instrumental in the Packers’ success than Bridgewater was in the Vikings success.

    Aaron Rodgers, like Tom Brady and others, have been driving forces for their teams, and have repeated their success over a period of years, while Bridgewater has shown some potential in his first 2 years. It’s funny that you call me a fake Bears’ fan, when you are a fake football fan- you know very, very little about the game, and your contributions to this site are pretty much limited to calling me a “fake Bears fan”. So do yourself a favor and take your advice: Use your head. If you want to compare strictly by passer rating, then compare Bridgewater to Ryan Tannehill, who had the identical passer rating.

    And you may want to consider the fact that Aaron Rodgers is the all-time leader in career passer rating, while Bridgewater was 22nd in the league last year and led the 31st best passing game in the league. And as far as QB’s starting 16 games, Bridgewater had 14 TD passes, and the next lowest was Alex Smith, with 20 TD passes- There’s your context.

    After 2 seasons, Bridgewater is merely adequate. Give him his accolades when he earns them.

  38. What accolades has he received other than All Rookie team for the NFC? Or his Pro Bowl selection because nobody wanted to play in it? Listen fake Bears fan nobody has been giving him accolades. Nobosy is talking about Teddy. Tey have stories hear about he needs to step up this year.You packer fans need to calm down. You must be upset McGinn questioned Rodgers’s play last year. Or for him being the 15th rated QB in the NFL last year.

  39. An accolade isn’t necessarily an award, even though it can be. It can simply be “praise”. You’re an angry little guy, aren’t you. Vikings’ fans seem to praise Bridgewater often, even comparing him to some of the elite QB’s in the league, and he hasn’t proven anything yet. That’s all.

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