Tony Dungy: Teams aren’t upholding the spirit of the Rooney Rule

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Few would argue that the NFL’s Rooney Rule is a bad idea.

But numbers from recent hiring cycles shows that its implementation is still very flawed, and that the path to progress for many minority coaches is still blocked.

According to Mike Sando of ESPN.com, only one first-time minority head coach (Todd Bowles) has been hired in the last five offseasons, while 21 first-time white head coaches got jobs. And minority candidates aren’t even getting into the pipeline for the jobs that result in promotions, as 80 of the 85 offensive coordinators, quarterbacks coaches and offensive-quality-control coaches are white.

Overall, a third of NFL coaches are minorities, but if they’re in jobs that rarely considered for coordinator or head coach positions, it’s hard to see the progress.

“The good thing about the Rooney Rule was not that you had to interview a minority candidate but that it slowed the process down and made you do some research,” newly minted Hall of Famer Tony Dungy said. “But now it seems like in the last few years, people haven’t really done what the rule was designed for. It has become, ‘Just let me talk to a couple minority coaches very quickly so I can go about the business of hiring the person I really want to hire anyway.'”

The research shows that only three teams in the league — the Jets, Panthers and Steelers — have staffs with at least half minority coaches.

“Too frequently, we don’t look at leadership, we don’t look at getting the most out of people, we don’t look at bringing people together and staffs together — all those things that you need to be a head coach,” Dungy said. “It is an inexact science. It is done in an inexact way. Look how long it took Bruce Arians to get a head-coaching job; it is not just with minorities.

“But I think when you are a minority coach, you have even that added burden, or added handicap of not always being highly publicized. For owners who do not know what they are looking for, it is much easier to say, ‘Well, I’ll take Candidate A because at least everybody knows him and everybody will say this is a good hire.'”

Over the past few hiring cycles, a number of coaches have seemingly become the usual suspects, who get rounded up to satisfy Rooney Rule requirements. Lions defensive coordinator Teryl Austin said he thought only two of his four interviews this offseason were legitimate, and he’s far from the only one who thinks that way.

180 responses to “Tony Dungy: Teams aren’t upholding the spirit of the Rooney Rule

  1. “Few would argue that the NFL’s Rooney Rule is a bad idea.”

    no, it IS a bad idea but our PC culture has made skin color more important than competency

  2. “According to Mike Sando of ESPN.com, only one minority head coach (Todd Bowles) has been hired in the last five offseasons”

    So what the heck is Hue Jackson? Sunburned?

  3. Why is it a virtue for a staff to be over 50% black when African Americans make up 10% of the population. Under your logic, would the optimum scenario be a staff that is 100% black. Get over the identity politics. The Rooney Rule needs to go!

  4. Personally, I think that the rule does the minority coaches a great disservice.

    The Fritz Pollard Alliance comes out every year with their “hot” list and when you look at most of the candidates, the list is filled with many coaches that were either recently fired or have had little to no success as a head coach.

    Instead of trying to force teams to look at specific people, as that will never work, telling rich people what they have to do is never really all that successful, why don’t you take the candidates that you think worthy and have them attend networking functions, have them go to all of these meetings so that the head coaches, GMs, front offices, and owners get a chance to meet them. People will be more willing to hire people that they know at some level.

    Get the people known and that will be more successful than trying to force them down their throats.

  5. oh the Give Him an Interview Because of the Color of His Skin Rule, whatever happened to best man for the job?

  6. If anyone out there thinks that an owner is NOT hiring a head coach that they think will win them a SuperBowl because they are non-white, they are crazy. Owners will sell their sole for a championship. Is there a problem, probably but I don’t think the Rooney rule is fixing it.

  7. How about some diversity? There’s certainly more than 12% black players and more than 12% black coaches and staff also. How about adding some more white players .. Asian players .. Hispanic players? Are there any women players? Why not?

    Why are only black individuals considered for “minority head coach” positions? Asians & Hispanics don’t rate as “minority” candidates? Women should get first shot at being a head coach, IMHO.

  8. I became a vocal critic of Al Davis in his last 15 years. But whatever his legacy is, the fact is that Davis didn’t need any type of ‘Rooney Rule’ to hire the first Latino (Tom Flores) and African American (Art Shell) HCs. And both those hires were successful (Flores won 2 Lombardis; Shell had 3 playoff appearances in his first stint).

  9. Dang i had no idea that Hue Jackson, Lovie Smith, Jim Caldwell and Ron Rivera are white.. A problem is since obviously we are talking about Black Coaches and not “Minority Coaches”. Most black coaches are on the defense side of the ball. over the last 5 years you have seen a surge of Offensive minded coaches hired because that is the way the league is shifting. how many black coaches are on the Offensive side of the ball that do a great job? ive only seen 3, harold goodman who will get a job soon, Hue Jackson and Jim Caldwell who are both a HC. so don’t cry about it online when black coaches aren’t flocking too those jobs.

  10. Shut it up Dungy… Just let teams take the best available coaching prospect… Race plays no part

  11. The Rooney rule is in and of itself one of the most racist things out there. It more than often makes a mockery of the minority candidates that is is supposed to be helping. Until things like this are gone (not asking for race on insurance plans, social security applications, job applications, etc.) we will never be free from racism.

  12. Is there something cerebral with it? White quarterbacks in the NFL are still dominant, even though black QBs are all over in NCAA but other than a handful their game doesn’t translate into the NFL. Ifeel like the coaching position and being a quarterback go hand in hand. The amount of black QBs and black coaches that except at their jobs are close in numbers in the league.

  13. “Few would argue”? Bull. I think it’s total crap and I am far from alone. Teams want the best candidates, period. They don’t care about race- just won, baby.

  14. So it’s fine if minority coaches hire a high percentage of minorities but if white coaches hire white guys it’s racist?

  15. Well, it’s a dumb rule. I get the spirit of the rule but it’s flawed. Teams know who they want to hire. Then they have to find a minority, insult them with an interview everyone knows goes nowhere and still hire who they want. Minority coaches won’t get hired in large numbers until more minority assistants get hired to feed the hiring pool for head coach. Extend the rule to lower positions and this will be fixed.

  16. You are correct.
    Marvin Lewis, should have been fired a long time ago, however.
    There have been many “lemon” that were white and coached the Bucs.
    Its sad, but a fact of life.

  17. *Sigh*

    Thanks for helping to illustrate what a dumb rule it is in the first place, Tony.

    That’s the problem (one of many) with this rule – it does absolutely nothing to further the goal of racial equality.

    Requiring interviews of minorities wont change the mind of bigoted GMs and owners, and it changes nothing for GMs and owners who simply want the best person for the job, regales of race.

    – If the spirit of the rule is to obtain some sort of quota for minorities in HC positions, in an effort to appease the PC crowd, then yes, the rule has probably failed, because most advocates of the rule probably want to see more than one minority HC hiring in 5 seasons.

    – However, if the spirit of the rule is to identify the best candidate for the job regardless of race, then there’s really no way to know what impact the rule has had, because it’s impossible to know how good a HC who didn’t get hired may have been.

    Tony Dungy: Nice guy, but not a really that great at seeing the bigger picture.

  18. I don’t believe there is out & out racism with the owners….but it does seem to be a problem from a macro view that a large majority of the players are black….while it’s nearly the opposite with the coaches.

  19. The spirit of the Rooney rule is to foist arbitrary proceedings on to a business deal because society feels like it’s the right thing to do. It isn’t.

  20. It should not matter a bit what color the coaching candidate is. If is qualified and passes muster, then he should be offered the position.

    Quit your whining Dingy.

    How he ever made it to the HOF is beyond me. JMHO.

  21. When a coach puts the 53 man roster together he is not required to make sure he has all races covered. He keeps the 53 best players he feels is going to help his team win. Why on earth does it matter what race the coaches are? If it is who the owner or GM wants to run the team than let them hire who they want. Such a double standard!!!!

  22. “Few [people with opinions that matter] would argue that the NFL’s Rooney Rule is a bad idea”

    I fixed that for you.

  23. .
    Tony Dungy has appointed himself as the world’s moral authority. Any news on your allegation that the Patriots bugged the Colts locker room, Tony? Didn’t think so.
    .

  24. It’s one thing to ensure that everyone is represented and has equity of opportunity, but ensuring equity of result is among the most egregious of all rights violations.

  25. How many players are black?
    Around 68%

    I would think 3 black head coaches (less than 10% of 32) wouldn’t be unreasonable.

    I think there is racism, certainly by senior management and the owners.
    There are some god awful white head coaches. Why do people like that get opportunities?
    The Rooney rule at least gets some of the qualified black head coaches face time. It has some positive benefit.

  26. It is 2016, and I have ZERO belief that race has to do with who owners of NFL franchises hire for coaching jobs. They want a guy they believe will help them WIN, and race plays no part in their choice of head coach whatsoever. Winning =$$, and that’s all they care about. George Preston Marshall is long gone, and to pretend owners look at race in hiring is absurd in 2016. If they did, there’d be a whole lot more white running backs in the NFL

  27. No, the question is, how many coaches were black when the rule was implemented? How many are there now? I’m not doing the math because that’s a reporter’s job but I’m sure it’s much greater and probably hire than 12% which is the percentage af blacks in this country. Dungy wouldn’t be happy until they are all minorities.

  28. “Few would argue that the NFL’s Rooney Rule is a bad idea.”

    On the contrary I guarantee that tons of idiots who post here think the Rooney rule is a bad idea. These are the same people who couldn’t care less when a police officer kills an unarmed, innocent black person but suddenly become infuriated by a picture that a football player posts to twitter.

  29. I’m still waiting for the rule that requires the NFL to try out at least one white running back in one white defensive back. There is a enormous disparity in the opportunity white running back and defensive backs are given and it find the NFL did something about it

    Isn’t it funny when A high percentage of professional athlete and rappers are African-American, we all just have to accept that it that on merit. However, if there is a large percentage of white people in a position, will that it must be racism.

  30. “But I think when you are a minority coach, you have even that added burden, or added handicap of not always being highly publicized.

    You know who has an added burden in the NFL is a white running back and wide receiver trying to make find a roster spot.

  31. The “Rooney Rule” is racist. The fact that teams are forced to interview a coach, just because of his skin color alone, is racist. How is a person’s skin color a job qualification? This entire notion that only white people are racist is a bad joke that nobody except a few sad people, trying to make excuses for why their lives turned out the way they did, buy into. We all have a few bad actors in each of our camps, so how does that make one race more or less racist than any other? If your life turned out to be a heaping pile of crap, then look in the mirror for the person responsible, quit blaming other people, who’s only real offense is simply having a different skin color than you.

  32. Hispanics have it worse. Only Rivera is Hispanic coach in ANY capacity in the NFL.

  33. So let me get this straight, he believes that regardless of your talent as a coach, you “deserve” a job over a more qualified person who happens to be of a different race? Reverse discrimination at it’s finest. That is also what we are witnessing every day in this country because of these lame movements and protests we see on tv. Senseless and without merit, no doubt. And the saddest thing of it all, is that it seems to be what some believe gives them the right to murder others because they disagree with someone else’s opinions…..great!

  34. by these same standards we should only have 13% black players in the WWNFL.

    rooney rule is a great example of racism. opportunity being given based on race. as bad as the naacp, bet etc etc. (lower case intentional)

  35. Okay, I’m the first guy to say that hiring should be based on merit and not skin color, but I don’t understand why people are ripping Dungy in this comment section. All he’s saying is that teams aren’t complying with the spirit of the Rooney Rule because they’re just doing token interviews. That’s absolutely true. The idea behind the rule was to get minority coaches more exposure to the interview process and get in front of decision makers so they would be part of the network that they weren’t a part of before. It’s probably a bad way to go about it, but there’s nothing wrong with pointing out that it isn’t working. Dungy is a fantastic guy and his desire to see more minority coaches get a real opportunity to be head coaches does not make him a racist.

  36. LoL everything always has to be about race. Whatever happened to the best man for the job

  37. These are the same people who couldn’t care less when a police officer kills an unarmed, innocent black person
    ==================================
    Unarmed and innocent? Maybe a few exceptions but the majority were packing heat and resisting arrest

  38. Todd Bowles, Hue Jackson, Marvin Lewis, Mike Tomlin, Ron Rivera – all hired because they are competent NFL minds who proved that they are worthy of the job.

    To insist in any way that the Rooney Rule led to their success or impacted it in anyway is laughable and frankly insulting to these 5 men.

  39. They should all lose a first round draft pick, get fined 1,000000 dollars and be suspended for 4 games!!
    It’s all about INTEGRITY Roger!
    Your not playing by the rules Roger!!
    Can’t get the Patriots on that one Roger because they have the best coach EVER and don’t need another one Roger

  40. It’s funny how, everyone has found something negative or something distracting about this situation… It’s simple you have a league full Black talent however you will not hire one to lead them to victory… It’s strange and whats funny people are saying that its racist because they speak on the fact… however the fact of the matter is that it is racist that this is even in question… Blacks are the majority in the sport, tell me where else in the world where the majority is ruled by the minority… oops oh yeah we live in one…

  41. Why can’t color just be completely irrelevant? Just hire people based on their skills. If it happens to be the majority is white or black or purple so what…it’s irrelevant. That’s just how the cards were dealt…why does there have to be so much focus on it? That in itself is racist, no?

  42. I think people are missing the point on the Rooney rule. It’s like baseball where you don’t argue with the ump because you expect him to change the current call; it’s for next time. Same thing here. The Rooney rule interview is unlikely to lead to a job this time for the candidate, but it gives the candidate exposure among a number of GMs and owners so that they have a higher chance of being considered right from the beginning the next time there is an opening.

  43. Most of the time by the time a head coach is fired, the owner already has a few ideas of who he wants to bring in to replace him. Most of the time they are going with someone whose style of coaching meshes with the owner’s and whose philosophy on schemes meshes also. In this case, all the Rooney Rule really does, if all the ones the owner has in mind are white, is introduce a token interviewee that has no chance anyway, hence the term token, just there to check off a box.
    Sad to say, it’s often easy to spot when it’s a ‘Rooney Rule’ interview because that coach has a completely different outlook and philosophy from the other candidates and it’s like seeing the square peg above the round hole.

  44. Yes Tony because hiring quotas are always such good idea. Just like quotas for college acceptance, never mind that the white kid got passed over who had a 4.0 GPA for the black kid who had a 2.5 GPA. It’s all about making people feel good about themselves, unless of course your white then nobody gives a crap what you feel.

  45. brwmstr says:
    Jul 19, 2016 10:54 AM

    Owners will sell their sole for a championship.
    ——————————————

    They’ll sell their fish? I don’t get it…

  46. “According to Mike Sando of ESPN.com, only one minority head coach (Todd Bowles) has been hired in the last five offseasons”

    Mike Sando should have done his homework.

  47. Show me the team and the owner that would not crawl over broken glass to hire the candidate that can help them WIN.

    Sports are the ultimate meritocracy, no one gets a free pass, and if you cant do it, you are replaced with someone that can. At least it was until social engineers started interfering.

  48. The NFL is trying to present an image of diversity…even if it is lip service. That’s what giant corporations do all over the world. Diversity/environment/inclusion/charity…they are selling a brand folks. It’s good business to be… or even just appear welcoming to all potential customers. No one is saying you have to hire someone you don’t believe in.

    And, just like you develop players, you can also develop coaches. Giving a little diversity to the interview process is not a bad thing or a waste of time. Todd Bowles said that it helps you grow as a candidate. I’ll trust him over you guys crying about Dungy etc.

  49. IMO its their team and money so hire whoever u want. The results will speak for themselves and u will have to live with your decision. But if I was an owner No one would guilt me into spending millions on a coach I didn’t want.

  50. The steelers are the only team that hired their coach because of the rooney rule…..all the other teams would have hired their guy regardless of color….the steeler had a white guy selected and were forced to hire the black guy cause…how would it look if rooney didnt follow the rooney rule

  51. Only a racist would think there’s racism involved in the hiring process and Tony Dungy is a racist.

  52. Dungy should be thankful the HoF does more than just uphold the spirit of it. If anyone can explain why he is in the HoF but Tom Flores isn’t that would just be great.

  53. I agree with what is mentioned in the article. Black head coaching candidates aren’t common because the coordinator positions are filled by a lot of white coaches. You start at the bottom and work your way up – not starting at the top. The Rooney Rule proponents should aim at getting their minority candidates into the coordinator positions first. Of course Teryl Austin is a common Rooney Rule candidate because he’s one of the few qualified and experienced black coordinators.

    Another related point – it’s very common to promote head coaches from within. This offseason, the Titans, Bucs, and Giants all promoted someone that was already on their coaching staff, and the Eagles went with someone that used to be on the staff. The Rooney Rule is pointless in these situations, because they’re hiring based on familiarity and continuity. That is another reason that the minority candidates need to aim for the coordinator positions first.

  54. The term ‘reverse discrimination’ is not valid.
    It needs to stop being used.

    The proper term to use is discrimination.
    That term implies there is discrimination of race, creed, national origin, etc.

  55. The reverse racism claims in the comment section are laughable at best. Yes, us whiteys are really disadvantaged!

    So the prevailing wisdom is either 1) get rid of the rule since it doesn’t work and is totes racist against disadvantaged white people anyway, or 2) recognize that racial disparity is an actual problem and look for ways to continue improve it.

  56. Maybe instead of focusing on head coaching opportunities, focus on DC, OC and QB coach opportunities. If successful, they will get HC jobs.

  57. I looked up top 20 head coaches of all time, and ESPN had their list.
    Dungy was #20..
    No Cowher, Holmgren, Ditka, or Schottenheimer.
    I believe they put him on that list, because he works for ESPN and he’s the first black head coach to win a SB.

    There are 6 minority head coaches today. That’s nearly 20% of head coaches.
    If you are good enough to win, does it really matter what color you are?
    Dungy is being bias, and thinks there should be more black head coaches than white. If that’s the case Dungy, then you’re going to see a lot of teams, hire less qualified head coaches, and teams under perform.
    While we’re at it, why don’t we make up the NBA roster 50/50 white, black? You’ll see a lot of angry black players, calling it racist.

  58. At this point in our society, the idea that we are forcing the color of skin into a decision like this feels divisive. The spirit of the Rooney rule was to make sure minority races were given opportunity. The result of the Rooney rule was that minority races were given the facade of an opportunity. The best coaches aren’t decided by skin color, but instead Wins and Losses or effectiveness within their given responsibilities. IF competent coaches are getting shafted due to race, and there is any proof, there are laws against that behavior. The Rooney rule is a CYA by the NFL to protect themselves from those laws, IMO, and they are using that protection to make them appear equal opportunity. Let’s drop the facade that is adding to our divisive culture.

  59. Do we really think at this point in time that an NFL owner would rather hire a white candidate who is not as qualified as a minority counterpart? I really think the organizations want to win, whether the coach be white, black, or hispanic…

  60. “According to Mike Sando of ESPN.com, only one minority head coach (Todd Bowles) has been hired in the last five offseasons”

    So what the heck is Hue Jackson? Sunburned?

    Let’s not forget Jim Caldwell too!

  61. The Rooney Rule is entirely a voluntary undertaking by the NFL, and a rule under which Dungy was a beneficiary. He should be saying “thank you”
    instead of complaining.

  62. there have been so many black coaches the past decade plus…

    my favorite being herm….you play to win the game….HELLO?….you play to win the game!

    i thought we were past this?

  63. Based on what? Demographics? or Entitlement?

    Are we going to institute minimum and maximum numbers of race to draft? Where are all the Asian players an coaches? Why aren’t they considered in this Dungy? You blithering racist tool.

    Based on demographics, there should be 3-4 head coaches in the NFL, not including the assistants..

    Football, and sports, used to be my Sunday escape.. now all I want to do it put a brick through my TV.. Why do I want to watch this? Why do I want to pay for a ticket? Why do I want my TV running this all day every day?

    What am I buying with the laughable shield that drives me further away every day.

  64. I guess I’m one of the few then, because I do believe the Rooney rule is a bad idea. My favorite team fired a black head coach (Leslie Frazier) and hired a white coach to replace him. Was that an exercise of racism, or the ownership moving to put a better football team on the field?

    I am a fan of Tony Dungy, and always have been. But the league cannot have it both ways. You cannot say that all NFL teams MUST interview at least one minority coaching candidate, and then get angry when that candidate is not hired. The only way to fix this “problem” is to force a certain number of minority coaches to be hired.

    So, which teams should be forced to hire a coach they do not want?

    Just wondering: Is Ron Rivera considered a minority? Would he be considered a “white hispanic”? How do you resolve that?

  65. The Rooney rule itself is racist.

    The more you separate the more divided we become!

  66. I am so sick of race talk. If a coach is qualified I’m sure they’ll get interviewed. Forcing a Black/Asian/ Hispanic/Female into he hiring process because of their skin color or sex is demeaning – period.

    I cant’ wait for the race talk to end. Blacks make up 13% oft he US population. Dungy and his ilk wont’ be happy until they’ve had fifty years of white slavery.

  67. Say what you like. Being REQUIRED to interview a minority for every head coaching vacancy is just as racist as deciding not to interview a minority based on skin color/ethnicity.
    I fully agree the process is broken, we see the coaching carousel every year, same names, different teams. There must be good qualified candidates that are being passed over because they hold lower coaching jobs, or just don’t have the recognition they should have (Arians is a good example). If we’re going to have a rule, let’s make it so some unknowns get a shot at moving up regardless of their skin color.

  68. Why does everything have to be about race in the US? If they’re actually concerned about this, then when are the going to take steps to address the minority of white players in the NFL?

  69. It seems to me that at least 2/3 of people commenting on this article think the Rooney Rule is a bad idea, and yet it’s true that there aren’t any professional sports media that will say so. It seems to me that there is an untapped market that nobody wants to tap.

  70. There’s not a single owner in the NFL that would put his own personal bias over choosing the coach that he thinks can win. This rule is PC-BS.

  71. Lets see a NFL team is worth around a billion dollars in the larger markets
    Should I hire the the head coach to fill a EEO rule or the best guy for the job?

    I think it might be more interesting to see the dollars paid to black employees – white employees

    Chances are that figure is close to even

  72. wvtbred says:
    Jul 19, 2016 12:16 PM
    The Rooney rule itself is racist.
    ==============================

    No it isn’t. The argument that addressing race in decisioning making process designed to counteract existing institutional racism and to level the playing field is completely debunked. It’s not racist and your argument usually is a really lame attempt to justify the racism of the person throwing that crap out there. That said …

    Affirmative action has no place in football. Best man for the job, as determined by the owner, gets the job.

    The way to counter act the so-called institutional racism in educational opportunity and job markets is by supporting equal opportunity at the earliest stages of the educational process. Fix the schools and the educational system so these people have the skills and developed intelligence that lets them compete. The way is not Rooney Rules or Affirmative Action plans in job markets.

  73. coolzog says:
    Jul 19, 2016 12:21 PM
    Why does everything have to be about race in the US? If they’re actually concerned about this, then when are the going to take steps to address the minority of white players in the NFL?
    ===============================

    Did you really ask that in serious way? Dude, get some help

  74. stoopidfool says:
    Jul 19, 2016 12:09 PM
    special team coaches are racist…….otherwise we would have many more black kickers and punters
    ===============================

    I was really surprised to read your comment. I was thinking what kind of brain dead guy could come up with that remark in any vein of not being a blatant bad joke. Then I saw your user name – “stoopidfool says:”. Then I knew exactly what kind of guy could do that. Your words buddy, not anyone else’s.

  75. Why don’t you ask Troy Vincent about this. He ONLY hires minorities. And the only ones he hires ones have been repeatedly fired by clubs.
    So maybe there is a better way.

  76. How come the rule only applies to people of color? There are other minorities.

    Gays. Women. And others.

    Here’s an idea…let’s make it so that every team has to interview from every minority before hiring.

    Not.

    A team should simply be permitted to hire who they want, and interview who they want. If someone isn’t getting interviews, it’s because they have not earned them.

  77. fergie22 says:
    Jul 19, 2016 11:41 AM
    well look how well hiring based on race has worked in our government
    =================================

    You want to explain that one fergie? On the face it, your comment just comes across as a vague, somewhat moronic rant.

  78. Happy Birthday (tomorrow) to Dan Rooney…turns 84.

    The real scandal is D1 football. How many black coaches there by percentage?

  79. It’s worth noting that black head coaches favor black assistant coaches. Isn’t that racist? Or is it only racist when white head coaches favor white assistant coaches?

  80. michaele11111 says:Jul 19, 2016 12:41 PM

    fergie22 says:
    Jul 19, 2016 11:41 AM
    well look how well hiring based on race has worked in our government
    =================================

    You want to explain that one fergie? On the face it, your comment just comes across as a vague, somewhat moronic rant.
    ==================================
    The inference here is that the POTUS was voted in, strictly on race. Sorry you missed it.

  81. How about we start applying the Rooney Rule to the owners? Why are there not more minority owners of the teams themselves? Maybe Roger should force Jerry to sell the Cowboys (at a discount of course) to a minority owner!

  82. So Dungy is saying that non-black coaches, that are just as unknown as the black coaches, still have an “advantage” somehow.

    WRONG.

    Yet again we get the “blacks are victims” talking point that is designed to stop all thought and discussion b/c black coaches are somehow at a disadvantage in terms of advancement.

    You want to advance as a black coach? get your players to play better and owners/GMs will notice. It’s as simple as that.

    I’d argue that non-black coaches have a DISADVANTAGE solely because they are not black, which is the preferred race of based on what Dungy has said. But no one ever talks about that kind of discrimination.

  83. Few would argue that the NFL’s Rooney Rule is a bad idea.
    ==================================

    Apparently you don’t read the comments every time this subject comes up. Either that or you aren’t the sharpest knife in the drawer.

  84. Please note that when they mention 1 minority head coach in the last 5 years, they specify “first-time” head coach. That is why guys like Hue Jackson and Jim Caldwell aren’t included.

  85. The intent of the Rooney Rule is largely ignored by its critics.

    In theory the rule is suppose to help under represented minority coaches get their names out as possible head coaches by being interviewed by teams as part of their coaching search.

    This is different from someone getting hired because they were a minority.

    In practice teams don’t want to spent significant amounts of time contacting and interviewing candidates that aren’t on their shortlist so they interview some minority assistant that’s with the team and has no real shot at the job.

  86. One of the worst things you can say about a person is that he/she is a racist. Almost every time, that charge is thrown out because the accuser is unable to defend his or her position and wants to shut down any debate. Just call the person a racist and you win. This is what’s happening to our police in this country and it’s terrible.

    Those of you calling Tony Dungy a racist because he wants to see a mechanism for getting more visibility and opportunity for minority coaches are no better than those BLM extremists that want to abolish the police force.

  87. Of roughly 1800 billionaires in the World less then a dozen are black

    Ask the other 1790 chip in for racial billionaire balance. Let me know what kind of answer you get.

  88. Affirmative action, by it’s very nature, does NOT guarantee that the BEST fit for the job gets the job.

    It provides the opposite-that a quota be met.

    Owners want the candidate that they feel best fits their team-the ones they feel best suited to win games and conduct themselves with integrity and class.

    The practice (affirmative action) that an organization fill certain spots due to race is a slap in the face to equal opportunity for all!

    Leaders want great people, regardless of race.

    It is that simple, but yet, here we have people that want to FORCE this upon the owners. Being white or being black should be a disassociated with any type of hiring practice!

    Hire the best for the job!!!!!!!!

  89. Is this a case of “those who can do” and “those who cannot teach”

    Larry Bird aside, not every great athlete makes a great coach.

  90. What exactly is a fan suppose to do with this information?

    Would these organizations stop broadcasting NFL games to further underline their ‘concerns’? Would any ESPN ‘journalist’ turn down VP of communications for Patriots or Cowboys?

    I, as a fan, can do nothing with this information. In the end, this is just journalists talking to each other through sports media. There is a lot of hungry servers and bandwidth to fill each day.

  91. Jul 19, 2016 11:14 AM – intrafinesse says: How many players are black? Around 68%… I think there is racism…

    About 13% of our population is black.
    About 15% of NFL head coaches are black.
    About 68% of NFL players are black.

    Does this constitute racism? It’s open for interpretation.

  92. Geez Tony – I distinctly remember when you and the Bears squared off in the Super Bowl, you were adamant about the fact that it was more important that you and Lovie were both Christians…. How many Christian coaches are there? I your logic, shouldn’t that be of bigger concern?

  93. …..if the NFL still thinks they still have a problem……take a que from the old 70’s show…THE DATING GAME. Put 3 possible head coach candidates behind a wall. Start asking them your questions. Once you’ve made your decision , have each one come out from behind the wall. Wa-la !! there’s your new coach.

  94. “The research shows that only three teams in the league — the Jets, Panthers and Steelers — have staffs with at least half minority coaches.”

    And all three teams have minority coaches. Not that races are this segregated, but the reality is people gravitate towards people they assimilate with. In the NFL people hire friends and even family over the “most” qualified. Same happens in business.

    Not saying its right, but I don’t think its this terrible reality either.

  95. “According to Mike Sando of ESPN.com, only one minority head coach (Todd Bowles) has been hired in the last five offseasons”

    So what the heck is Hue Jackson? Sunburned?

    Let’s not forget Jim Caldwell too!

    ——————————————————————

    Lovie Smith, anyone?

  96. So why did that epic failure Jim Caldwell get the Indianapolis job due to dungys blatant racism and the Colts didn’t interview a white candidate? So it’s okay to hire a black coach without interviewing anybody else bit if you want a white coach, you have to interview 50 black candidates first. That is the definition of reverse racism at its finest

  97. ‘Just let me talk to a couple minority coaches very quickly so I can go about the business of hiring the person I really want to hire anyway.”

    Teams are supposed to hire who they want, no matter what color they are! The Rooney rule is racism, just like affirmative action is racism. The most skilled individual show get the position, period! Not “well you’re a more skilled, more experienced person but to meet our quota we’re going with someone who isn’t white. Sorry” That is racism. Trying to alleviate a problem by blowing the problem up isn’t a resolution, it’s hypocrisy.

  98. Cleveland didn’t seriously look at anyone besides Hue Jackson……. Where’s the outrage?

    The faked a diverse interview process.

  99. Interesting, they list 3 coaches who if you include Rivera as a minority they all have over 50% of coaches are minorities. To be blunt, maybe that is what they don’t want. I liken it to the black QB. years ago there were none. Now the NFL is flooded with the prototypical black QB that struggles in the league to stay healthy and actually be a real QB, you know the kind that can throw the ball, but yet everyone feels now like they have to have one, which now leads us to a QB shortage in the NFL. The media touts the play fo the below average QB that can run as he adds a dimension to the game they have to prepare for, ignoring the fact that they don’t have to prepare for the fact they can’t throw. I argue that there are not enough white players in the league that represents the population. So is it racist to think a DB can be white . Maybe it is, for some reason if all the DB were white that would be the talk.

  100. I think the main thing people tend to ignore is the pure statistical analysis of this.

    How MANY ‘black” coaches are available for the “pipeline”?

    WHY are most of the coordinators non-minority?

    Is it because competent minority candidates are REFUSED line coaching or coordinator jobs?

    Or is there and EDUCATION related issue here?

    Let’s face it, most NFL coaches have some college football playing or coaching experience. And MANY of the players in the NFL are guys who were pushed along in school, never graduated and just played at Big programs on full scholarship and had other people write papers and take exams for them.

    I’d say this goes back to a failure with recruiting, high schools, and colleges and the failure of MANY minority candidates to get any kind of education that would equip them to be coaches that can organize and lead an entire organization.

    It’s not a problem at the end of the pipeline, it’s a problem at the beginning of it.

  101. I think we should just have a race war and be done with it. I think that would make 99.9% of these posters on here extremely happy.

  102. The Eagles made a mockery of the rule by interviewing Duce Staley when he never had a chance. It was just a way to get the rule out of the way quick so they could hire Howie’s yes man.

  103. In the spirit of the Rooney Rule, Tony Dungy tries on a black sock every morning before selecting the one he really wants to wear that day…

    yeah, I know that sounds silly…but that is what the Rooney Rule has become in the NFL …

  104. stexan says:
    Jul 19, 2016 10:51 AM
    Hoo boy – can’t wait until all the reactionary right wing Bubbas see that first sentence.

    Well it didn’t take long for the race baiters to jump on that first sentence now did it?

    The notion that blacks can’t get jobs without white men making laws that force companies to interview or hire blacks is just a little insulting to blacks. No, I take that back, it’s very insulting. Why would you take a job that everyone knows is a handout?

    Do white people, and I mean Liberals, ever think before they vomit this type of despicably racist agenda?

    People of all colors need to stand on their own, not have things handed to them.

  105. @thermanmerman99 says:
    Jul 19, 2016 2:35 PM

    So why did that epic failure Jim Caldwell get the Indianapolis job due to dungys blatant racism and the Colts didn’t interview a white candidate? So it’s okay to hire a black coach without interviewing anybody else bit if you want a white coach, you have to interview 50 black candidates first. That is the definition of reverse racism at its finest
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    You exaggerate…when did it become interview 50 black candidates? Please indicate where you got 50?

  106. jonwill57 says:
    Jul 19, 2016 3:07 PM
    I think we should just have a race war and be done with it. I think that would make 99.9% of these posters on here extremely happy.

    Well if you were paying attention to recent events, it’s already started. And out POTUS was classy enough to pour gas on the fire by saying at the funeral of the Dallas police that they need to share the blame.

    “But we know — but, America, we know that bias remains. We know it. Whether you are black or white or Hispanic or Asian or Native American or of Middle Eastern descent, we have all seen this bigotry in our own lives at some point. We’ve heard it at times in our own homes. If we’re honest, perhaps we’ve heard prejudice in our own heads and felt it in our own hearts. We know that. And while some suffer far more under racism’s burden, some feel to a far greater extent discrimination’s sting. Although most of us do our best to guard against it and teach our children better, none of us is entirely innocent. No institution is entirely immune. And that includes our police departments. We know this. ”

    Remember how mad some folks got when other folks tried to lay blame on Trayon Martin, Eric Garner or Michael Brown?

  107. skunkb3ar says:
    Jul 19, 2016 3:26 PM

    How about we start a jason sehorn rule?

    ————————————-

    Every Super Bowl losing team has to have a DB that gets toasted and blames it on his teammate?

  108. @sactogary says:
    Jul 19, 2016 2:19 PM

    About 13% of our population is black.
    About 15% of NFL head coaches are black.
    About 68% of NFL players are black.

    Does this constitute racism? It’s open for interpretation.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Look at it this way, 32% of non-black players probably had a tryout, went to mini camp, etc. The point is, at least they were given the chance to compete for a roster spot. When it comes to coaches, 80/85 (94%) are in the positions leading into a HC position. I wonder how many minority candidates were interviewed for those 85 positions.

  109. If it wasn’t for Peyton Manning…a white man……Dungy would have had a very mediocre career in Indianapolis..

  110. Regarding the Sando Quote: Here is the total quote from the article. Several of you have omitted rather important parts of the quote: “According to Mike Sando of ESPN.com, only one first-time minority head coach (Todd Bowles) has been hired in the last five offseasons, while 21 first-time white head coaches got jobs.” Ron Rivera has been with the Panthers longer than 5 years and Hue Jackson and Jim Caldwell have been NFL Head coaches before. If we are going to argue about the article and rule, let’s at least be arguing about what was actually written.

  111. I guess the Rooney Rule should have said that every 3rd head coach hired should be a minority.

  112. Want to end racism? Stop making us different by making special concessions for us and also stop talking about it.

    Morgan Freeman

  113. I have to disagree with Dungy. He seems to believe the Rooney rule requires a minority hire; at least that how he sounds. The rule ONLY requires that minority coaches be interviewed. If any of them were qualified, I’m sure they would have been given consideration.

  114. “Too frequently, we don’t look at leadership, we don’t look at getting the most out of people, we don’t look at bringing people together and staffs together — all those things that you need to be a head coach,” Dungy said.
    ……………………………………….
    So , tony seems to think that can only be accomplished by having a black coach in place ?
    Every now and then you hear someone say ” john drude won with tony dungy’s team ‘
    you ever hear ‘ tony dungy won with jim mora’s team ‘
    tony was handed a team with payton manning. edgerrin james marvin harrison and reggie wayne ; that’s just the offensive skill position players ! lolol .
    give me a break , please !

  115. Jul 19, 2016 4:05 PM – jonwill57 says: … When it comes to coaches, 80/85 (94%) are in the positions leading into a HC position. I wonder how many minority candidates were interviewed for those 85 positions.

    I appreciate your thoughtful response, and you ask a legitimate question, but note that this is a cherry-picked stat included by the article’s author, looking only at three specific jobs. Really? An OQC is more likely to be promoted than a DC? He does reveal that one-third of all NFL coaches are black.

    I’m fine with the Rooney rule. It only forces teams to talk to someone. No quota for hiring is set, and it may initiate a relationship that helps the team later, if not immediately. I do object to cries of racism (I’m not talking about you, Jon) every time percentages are out of balance.

  116. @ Karmi says:
    Jul 19, 2016 10:56 AM

    How about some diversity? There’s certainly more than 12% black players and more than 12% black coaches and staff also. How about adding some more white players .. Asian players .. Hispanic players? Are there any women players? Why not?

    Why are only black individuals considered for “minority head coach” positions? Asians & Hispanics don’t rate as “minority” candidates? Women should get first shot at being a head coach, IMHO.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Historically, Blacks were the minorities being discriminated against (as well as women). Your point is a valid one. And trust me, Black people are keenly aware of other minority groups. Because Blacks were persecuted, laws were enacted, many of which a wide range of minorities benefit from…LGBT, Hispanics, Women. You see, the only people who didn’t need it are the ones who are crying FOUL…white males!

  117. The owner will hire the best man for the job regardless of race. What a stupid rule and it’s absolutely true that the minority that’s brought in is a joke and he probably feels like a fool while in the process.

    And to answer how Dungy got in to the HOF. It’s simple, he used an unofficial version of the “Rooney Rule” if you know what I mean. Which shoud make him feel unworthy deep down. Good coach, but HOF no way.

  118. Once again, all this proves is white people have no idea what racism is or what it’s like to be black in this country.

  119. Tony had Peyton, so, and Belicheat had Brady.

    What’s the difference? Oh yeah, Belicheat was 11-5 with Cassel…oh wow, let’s rejoice! Stop it, they didn’t make the playoffs.

  120. How is Caldwell an epic fail?

    Successful QB coach in Tampa, Indy and Baltimore.
    3 SB appearances as head coach and asst – 2 wins
    11-5 season with Detroit and playoffs – DETROIT!!

    I will take those EPIC failures any day of the week!

  121. If people are all this worked up about the rule it seems safe to assume people that do the hiring will be similar. Need to come up with a new rule that all these ‘open minded’ fans can live with.
    I liked someone’s idea about networking opportunities for lower level coaches. And extending the Rooney rule to the same group. Feed the pipeline to fatten the supply of attractive (minority) hires.

  122. after reading this article, i wondered how many people would COMPLETELY MISS THE POINT OF THE ARTICLE…then i read the comments…thank you for confirming that you are MANY…

    because clearly racism is dead, and black people are just paranoid

  123. How many times did Leslie Frazier get interviewed because teams were required to interview a black candidate before hiring the coach they wanted? Enough to get sick of the process and not want to do more interviews. He had to be talked into interviewing with the Seahawks before they hired Pete Carroll.

    IIRC, the Detroit Lions asked five different minority candidates to interview before hiring Steve Mariucci, but none of them would do it. Then they got in trouble for only interviewing Mooch. That’s as damning an indictment on the Rooney Rule as is possible to be — it proves all the arguments supporting the rule are utter bullcrap.

  124. Say what you want about NFL teams hiring black coaches, but when I look across America, the NFL is doing much better than the rest of the country at hiring minorities in leadership positions. Much better. There is a huge race problem in America. A much smaller one exists in the NFL. You could have 32 black head coaches tomorrow, and that wouldn’t change anything. If you’re complaining about NFL head coaches, you’re part of the problem.

  125. tonebones says:
    Jul 20, 2016 7:36 AM

    Say what you want about NFL teams hiring black coaches, but when I look across America, the NFL is doing much better than the rest of the country at hiring minorities in leadership positions. Much better. There is a huge race problem in America. A much smaller one exists in the NFL. You could have 32 black head coaches tomorrow, and that wouldn’t change anything. If you’re complaining about NFL head coaches, you’re part of the problem.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I want to agree with you…except for the fact I don’t feel as if I’m part of the problem. There’s nothing wrong whatsoever to speak about the issue. So if you’re suggesting people be silent about this issue (80/85), you’re part of the problem too. Although, neither of us is in any position to hire anyone in the NFL.

  126. Jul 20, 2016 8:59 AM – jonwill57 says: … if you’re suggesting people be silent about this issue (80/85), you’re part of the problem too….

    Again, the 80/85 is a cherry-picked statistic, including only OCs, OQC coaches (an entry-level position) and QB coaches. The author neglected to point out that 28% (9/32) of defensive coordinators are black.

  127. Sorry, but you can’t force people to hire someone they don’t feel is the right fit. The Rooney Rule is good because it forces people to hear out black coaches because I honestly don’t think some owners would if not for the rule, but you can’t say people have to like what they hear. You also can’t claim racism for liking what you hear from who you hire. You have no idea what an owner is looking for. If you honestly think skin color is going to keep an owner from hiring a coach he thinks can help him win, you’re a moron on top of being racist. Congrats on both fronts.

  128. First off most of you can’t read. The article said first time head coaches. So yes Bowles would be the only one. Normally as a black man I’m against affirmative action but when 22 first time head coaches are hired and only 1 of them is black, yep that’s a problem. 75% of the players are black but less than 5% of the first time head coaching jobs are filled by a black man. That’s a problem. If you are saying owners are hiring the best qualified and that’s it you might as well say that most black people aren’t smart enough to do the job. Also the Rooney rule incorporates all minorities not just black. Some of you don’t read are understand the yet you want to comment on something that you are not informed enough to speak on. Same way in the NBA. You can play our sport but you can’t be in a position of leadership. It’s ridiculous if you just look at the numbers a say nothing is wrong with this picture.

  129. “First off most of you can’t read. The article said first time head coaches. So yes Bowles would be the only one. Normally as a black man I’m against affirmative action but when 22 first time head coaches are hired and only 1 of them is black, yep that’s a problem. 75% of the players are black but less than 5% of the first time head coaching jobs are filled by a black man. That’s a problem. If you are saying owners are hiring the best qualified and that’s it you might as well say that most black people aren’t smart enough to do the job. Also the Rooney rule incorporates all minorities not just black. Some of you don’t read are understand the yet you want to comment on something that you are not informed enough to speak on. Same way in the NBA. You can play our sport but you can’t be in a position of leadership. It’s ridiculous if you just look at the numbers a say nothing is wrong with this picture.”

    Typical. To you best qualified translates immediately to “black people aren’t smart enough to do the job”. No, my friend, it just means best qualified. You have no ground to stand on when there is a disproportional number of head coaches that are black in both of the leagues you just spoke of in respect to actual population numbers in this country.

    How anyone can think someone should be hired just because of the way they look is baffling to me. No matter how you try to spin it, you are wanting preferential treatment because of the color of your skin.

  130. Jul 22, 2016 12:50 PM – bpurd says: … 75% of the players are black but less than 5% of the first time head coaching jobs are filled by a black man. That’s a problem. … It’s ridiculous if you just look at the numbers a say nothing is wrong with this picture.

    What does the percentage of players have to do with anything? Most head coaches weren’t NFL players – that’s not where they usually come from. Of the five black head coaches, Todd Bowles is the only one with NFL playing experience. Marvin Lewis, Hue Jackson, Jim Caldwell and Mike Tomlin had ZERO NFL playing careers.

    The fact that 13% of the population is black while 15% of the head coaches are black negates your point.

  131. sactogary says:
    Jul 22, 2016 5:08 PM
    Jul 22, 2016 12:50 PM – bpurd says: … 75% of the players are black but less than 5% of the first time head coaching jobs are filled by a black man. That’s a problem. … It’s ridiculous if you just look at the numbers a say nothing is wrong with this picture.

    “The fact that 13% of the population is black while 15% of the head coaches are black negates your point.”
    ——-
    You’re being funny, obviously. As no where in business or sports management is a “population” standard met. We’re talking a lake of opportunity. And who says the white coaches who are hired ahead of blacks are “the best available?” White owners, who are choosing only to hire white coaches? If it smells like racism, it’s racism.

  132. The NFL’s issues are dwarfed by the NBA, which offers teams with Asians and whites desperately underrepresented. Surely quotas should be imposed.

  133. Why the hell are people focused on “first time” head coaching hires? Cleveland hired a black head coach. The fact that he has been a head coach before doesn’t make him any less black.

    Seriously, it seems to me that some people are just looking for something to complain about so they can use the “racist” tag on it.

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