Packers applying pressure to Matthews, Peppers to submit to PED interviews

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The impasse between the NFL and the NFL Players Association over the investigation regarding the Al Jazeera documentary containing allegations against four active NFL players lingers, with the league wanting to interview them, the union declining to make them available, and the league not yet saying, “The interview will occur at this specific time. Show up and cooperate or be punished for failure to do so.”

It’s unclear whether the league will make such an ultimatum. Behind the scenes, however, efforts are ongoing to persuade the players to comply. In Green Bay, for example, a league source tells PFT that some pressure is being applied by the Packers to linebackers Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers to submit to the requested interviews.

There’s not much the team can do other than appeal to their desire to be exonerated, to avoid negative P.R., to get the matter behind them, and to minimize the possibility of a potential distraction. If the players are clean, it’s easy to argue that they should want to submit to the interviews so that the league eventually could issue a press release exonerating them, like the one issued earlier this week to exonerate Peyton Manning.

The NFLPA, which still harbors some lingering ill will toward Packers president and former player Mark Murphy from the CBA talks of 2011, nevertheless believes that allowing players to be interviewed based only on the recanted allegations of Charles Sly creates a bad precedent. The fact that the league ultimately regarded Sly’s allegations against Manning to be not credible makes it even more important to insist on something more than Sly’s shaky word before allowing the league to launch a fishing expedition aimed at getting them to say something that could be used against them.

For now, the active players have held firm. Even free-agent Mike Neal, who has linked his ongoing unemployment to the lingering cloud of PED suspicion, has not yielded. As long as they do, the ball will be in the NFL’s court — and the question will be whether the league wants to draw a line in the sand based on allegations from someone whom the league already has determined to be, as it related to Peyton Manning, not believable.

112 responses to “Packers applying pressure to Matthews, Peppers to submit to PED interviews

  1. Leave balls outside to get cold and deflate? Four game suspension.

    Have a drink on a plane? That can turn into a whole year suspension.

    Allegedly use PEDs? Interview request.

    Where’s that heavy hand, Goodell?

  2. This is why unions were created in the first place. Right or wrong, the players have to stick together. If these guys give interviews they are going against the wishes of their fellow players, even though they have said they would like to be interviewed. The NFLPA is preventing them from doing so.

  3. This whole “investigation” by the league is every bit the clown show as deflategate was. Even if you assume that Neal, CM3 and Peppers are guilty, they can’t submit to Herr Goodell’s desire to run another dog-and-pony-show. The NFLPA is right to keep them out of it.

    That said, I think there’s a good chance that more than 80% of NFL players are on some kind of steroid, and the owners know it. The NFL’s drug testing program is a complete joke.

  4. This county’s justice system is based on “innocent until proven guilty”. But we all know this is no longer true. As soon as allegations are made against anyone — no matter how unfounded they are — many people label that person guilty.
    Such is the case with the guys named in this report. Many people had all of them guilty as soon as the report came out. The league investigated Peyton Manning and determined this report was baseless. That still didn’t satisfy many people, who think the league is merely covering up for Manning.
    If I were Matthews and Peppers and I wanted to put these rumors to rest, I’d cooperate with the league and get it over with. But I fully understand why they and the NFLPA are standing fast against answering questions about it. Because no matter what they do, a lot of people will say they are guilty anyway. And it opens every player up to this type of investigation because someone makes a false charge against them.
    Here’s the facts. The guy who made the allegations has recanted them. Peyton Manning has been found innocent by the NFL.
    So — as far as I’m concerned, this is a non-story. And the real issue in the NFL is players taking pain killers. That’s what the NFL should be focusing on. But that’s one they do not want to open at all costs, because it’s their dirty little secret which everyone knows about. If players weren’t taking pain killers and getting shot up before games, they wouldn’t be able to play. But the beat goes on.

  5. Sooooo if the Pats get a $1M fine and Brady gets a 4 game suspension on evidence that didn’t hold up in court for footballs that could have been under inflated because of the cold (just for arguments sake) based on the integrity of the game, what do you get for PED use? Ban for life? I’m sure it is in the CBA but seems like a bigger deal

  6. I think we should all be patient and wait for Greg Jennings’ sister to make the allegations, then we know it’s true.

  7. Impressively quick response from the league, and a team that’s had a bit of a track-record on PEDs, to push the named players to submit to just an interview only 8 months after the trail has gone cold. And only 7 months after Manning’s team threatened the witness’ elderly parents, and at least Manning and possibly the others have had time to clean-up records at the Guyer Inst instead of giving the league that access.

    But to be fair, the league has been awfully busy fiddling CTE, PSI & gate-receipt figures when not developing the game in China.

  8. nyneal says:
    Jul 28, 2016 6:58 AM
    This county’s justice system is based on “innocent until proven guilty”

    So how do you reach your conclusion that this investigation has anything to do with “our country’s justice system”?
    It’s a league investigation by the NFL

  9. And on a side note isn’t it quite obvious to anyone who’s paying attention that Matthews and Peppers are PED users? I hope they do a very thorough investigation my team plays in their division and I like an even playing field as opposed to having to play against cheaters twice a year

  10. nyneal says:
    Jul 28, 2016 6:58 AM
    This county’s justice system is based on “innocent until proven guilty”…Here’s the facts. The guy who made the allegations has recanted them. Peyton Manning has been found innocent by the NFL.
    ——————-
    That’s only half the story and you know it:-
    1) with the recanting it transpired that the witness’ elderly parents had been threatened by Peyton’s heavies.
    2) Al Jazeera then claimed to have recordings of Guyer confirming the allegations against all the players (which has never been looked at).
    3) Peyton’s initial answers were a bit evasive and Ashley had no legit reason to be on technically illegal shipments of hgh from a non-standard source.
    4) Peyton’s neck procedure normally requires hgh.
    5) Instead of giving the league access to Guyer’s records, Peyton sent his own clean-up team, and after 8 months the other players have had plenty of time to do the same.

    Is it concrete proof of guilt? No, but the league has completely failed to properly investigate and release the details of that investigation (because it has a track-record of lying). And now it’s all too late and those players (innocent or guilty) will have to live with the suspicions for good.

  11. Manning’s 30-something year old wife was admittedly receiving bootleg HGH from the Guyer Clinic. Manning’s tortured neck miraculously heals. Manning’s head grew two helmet sizes. Yeah, no “evidence” of anything here….

    Does the NFL think people are idiots?

  12. Let them all shoot up and juice if they want to. I’m just here for the entertainment anyways. Remember how fun baseball was during McGuire, Bonds and Sosa roid rage! PEDs are used in every professional sport. For rubes like us it doesn’t matter, juice away if it drives up the entertainment factor.

  13. spartanlegend says:
    Jul 28, 2016 7:32 AM
    And on a side note isn’t it quite obvious to anyone who’s paying attention that Matthews and Peppers are PED users? I hope they do a very thorough investigation my team plays in their division and I like an even playing field as opposed to having to play against cheaters twice a year

    …..And you believe no one on your team is on PEDs? LOL!

  14. Time to see the phone records of all involved in the investigation, lets hope that reporter goes on a major news station and tells his story of peyton manning two goons impersonating law enforcement and “convincing” him to change his story

  15. If you read most of the Packers articles online like I do you’ll see Clay especially and Julius say they want nothing more then to talk to the NFL and investigators. But they have to do what the NFLPA instructs them to do.

    It’s funny all the people assuming guilt are the same ones who were damning Peyton Manning too and look how that turned out. Innocent after thorough investigation by NFL who desperately wanted to find something.

  16. They re guilty. Probably advised they can wait it out to avoid testing positive. Beady will be out a month . These guys will get nailed . It’s starting to look like one of those suck seasons where a number of stars are missing for one reason or another. Oh and you know there will be at least two or three more domestic violence cases coming.

  17. Make sure you have every cell phone you have ever used in your entire life ready to hand over to Goodell, otherwise its proof you are covering something up… If you made a call using your friends phone, you better bring his phones too. Ever sent a text to your brother using your mom’s phone? Better bring all of her phones too.

    (Fingers crossed) Don’t worry, the league wont leak anything about you to the media…

  18. As much as the Viking trolls hate to acknowledge the facts, these players enjoy the same due process as any other US citizen. The NFL has proven on more than one occasion, due process is a concept they have yet to grasp.

  19. The longer Mike Neal goes unsigned the more I know this scandal is real.

    He’s not a bad football player. Certainly too good to not be on a 90 (NINETY!!!) man roster right now.

    That’s 2880 football players and he’s not one of them? OK.

  20. This whole so-called “story” was invented by Al-Jazeera, so is by definition not to be taken seriously. It’s like one of those alien abduction stories in the National Enquirer.

    It’s time to move on now, folks.

  21. There is no evidence that it was HGH was shipped to Ashley Manning. Just hearsay. And for those stating the NFL lied in the Brady case, Brady also lied under oath as follows:

    Directly from the Wells Report and Goodell appeal transcript.

    Wells Report page 19 (last paragraph) top of page 20

    “He (Brady) claimed that prior to the events surrounding the AFC Championship Game, he did not know McNally’s name or anything about McNally’s game-day responsibilities, including whether McNally had any role relating to game balls or the game officials. We (Wells) found these claims not plausible and CONTRADICTED by other evidence. In fact, during his interview, Jastremski acknowledged that Brady knew McNally and McNally’s role as Officials Locker Room attendant. Similarly, McNally told NFL Security that he had been personally told by Brady of Brady’s inflation level preference. ”

    Goodell appeal hearing transcripts page 123 and 124 Direct Brady by NFL

    “And before the AFCCG you say you didn’t know McNally’s name. Brady said I knew his face. And did you know his responsibilities? Brady said he worked in the equipment room etc. What was your understanding, if any, regarding his responsibilities to bring the balls to the ref before the game? Brady said I wasn’t sure. And did you see in the Paul, Weiss investigative report (Wells Report) that Jastremski has stated that you knew McNally and his role as an officials locker room attendant? Did you see that in the report? Brady said Yes. And do you think that’s inaccurate? Brady said Yes. McNally said that he had been personally told by you of your inflation level preference during the 2014 season? Did you see that in the report? Brady said I saw it and I don’t remember that.”

    Bottom of page 139 Cross by Brady’s lawyer

    “In fact you didn’t know him (McNally)? Brady said Correct, well by face.” (No mention of Bird nickname)

    Top of page 140

    “Did you ever discuss footballs or deflation or psi or anything like that with McNally? Brady said No.”

    So Brady said in the Wells report he didn’t know his name, but under cross by his attorney, Kessler, Brady said he didn’t know McNally. Contradicted by Jastremski.

    Brady said he didn’t know McNally’s game day role also contradicted by Jastremski.

    Brady said he didn’t discuss psi levels with McNally. Contradicted by McNally.

    Conclusion – Brady lied to Wells and lied under oath to Goodell.

    Also I find it very surprising Brady didn’t know McNally’s name as McNally was a 32 year employee that USED to travel with the team. Also note Brady never said he knew McNally by his nickname Bird. So Bird was just another deflection. He only knew his face. If Brady really didn’t know his name then that shows how shallow a person Brady is.

    So why did Brady lie?

  22. nyneal says:

    Such is the case with the guys named in this report. Many people had all of them guilty as soon as the report came out.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Many had them guilty before this report was ever filed – for good reasons.

    Peppers has previously tested positive for PED’s and has already served one four game suspension.

    One only has to look at Mathews and what his body looked like in his early college years and then compare them to what he looks like now.

    Their current PED dealer must really know how to mask the drugs from the NFL testing procedure…

  23. jhein23 says:
    Jul 28, 2016 8:12 AM

    It’s funny all the people assuming guilt are the same ones who were damning Peyton Manning too and look how that turned out. Innocent after thorough investigation by NFL who desperately wanted to find something.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    You misspelled ‘nothing’….

  24. If those players are innocent of ped use, why would they refuse to cooperate with the investigation? Their actions provide the answer.

  25. If these guys are guilty, so is Gomer.

    Goodell isn’t fooling anyone.

    As one NFC exec said recently:

    “if this was the Patriots, there’d be a full scale investigation and lying if need be.”

  26. luckyforus says:
    Jul 28, 2016 8:34 AM

    I work with people that I only know by face or a nickname. So I don’t think that is odd at all.
    I’ve been here 18 years which is longer than most of my co-workers but they all don’t know my first name either. Then you throw in the extras (vendors and drivers and such) I don’t even know all of their faces let alone names. I only work with about 45 people. I’d imagine a football franchise has a couple of hundred employees. No way would I know everyone by name.

  27. a) Due process is a concept of the US legal system. It doesn’t apply to a company investigation.

    b) The NFL doesn’t have to reveal any of the data they have accumulated, so assuming all they have to go on is a recanted allegation is smoke and mirrors designed to mislead the lemmings.

    c) The NFL PA can interfere with the NFL and can suggest to the players that they don’t do the interview, but they’re no player’s boss. They cannot order the players not to interview. So anyone telling you they “want to talk but aren’t allowed” is actually using the NFL PA as an excuse not to talk to the League.

    d) I keep hearing stories that HGH was delivered to Manning’s wife, but no factual evidence that anything other than “a package” was in fact delivered. People seem to find it easy to assume that it must have been HGH, then take that for fact.

    e) I’m not even sure HGH regulations apply to Manning based on the fact that the League and the NFL PA couldn’t agree on a testing method for years, so there was no way to test Manning during his rehab.

  28. f1restarter says:
    Jul 28, 2016 8:32 AM

    This whole so-called “story” was invented by Al-Jazeera, so is by definition not to be taken seriously. It’s like one of those alien abduction stories in the National Enquirer.

    It’s time to move on now, folks.

    Al-Jazeera actually happens to me one of the most respected news outlets in the world so don’t let being a Packers homer blind you.

  29. Factschecker

    I work with people that I only know by face or a nickname. So I don’t think that is odd at all. I’ve been here 18 years which is longer than most of my co-workers but they all don’t know my first name either. Then you throw in the extras (vendors and drivers and such) I don’t even know all of their faces let alone names. I only work with about 45 people. I’d imagine a football franchise has a couple of hundred employees. No way would I know everyone by name.

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    That was a side note and my opinion on if Brady actually knew McNally by name and really irrelevant to Brady lying. It was clearly contradicted by Jastremski as Jastremski said Brady knew McNally and his game day responsibilities. McNally said Brady discussed psi with McNally.

    Patriot fans are trying to deflect the truth by saying Brady didn’t know who Wells and Goodell were referring to when they asked about McNally as Brady knew him by Bird. But clearly even if Brady didn’t know his real name prior to the AFCCG he knew it months later when he testified as he acknowledged he read it in the Wells report.

    I’m still surprised Brady didn’t know his real name as McNally was a part time employee the entire time Brady was on the Patriots and McNally used to travel with the team. And it’s clear as supported by Jastremski and McNally that Brady knew McNally’s game day responsibilities and Brady discussed psi with McNally.

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  30. Recant??!?! RREEEEECAAAANNT?!?!?!?!

    If you believe Sly’s recant was genuine and forthright, then you truly are missing the boat.

    The “recant” came under duress, pressure, intimidation from the Manning Machine and the prospect of getting crushed by the same.

    The recant was a last ditch effort to save his own life, nothing more. And it worked

    Don’t over-complicate this – Manning* used HGH. The only people who believe otherwise are Manning fans & Brady haters.
    It really is that simple.

    Manning*

  31. I can see it both ways. If your totally innocent you may not want to set a precedent for the league. On the flip side, get it over with, move on. The league seems whimpy on this like they are afraid to end up in court again.

  32. luckyforus says:
    Jul 28, 2016 8:34 AM

    There is no evidence that it was HGH was shipped to Ashley Manning. Just hearsay. And for those stating the NFL lied in the Brady case, Brady also lied under oath as follows:

    Directly from the Wells Report and Goodell appeal transcript.

    Wells Report page 19 (last paragraph) top of page 20

    “He (Brady) claimed that prior to the events surrounding the AFC Championship Game, he did not know McNally’s name or anything about McNally’s game-day responsibilities, including whether McNally had any role relating to game balls or the game officials. We (Wells) found these claims not plausible and CONTRADICTED by other evidence. In fact, during his interview, Jastremski acknowledged that Brady knew McNally and McNally’s role as Officials Locker Room attendant. Similarly, McNally told NFL Security that he had been personally told by Brady of Brady’s inflation level preference. ”

    Goodell appeal hearing transcripts page 123 and 124 Direct Brady by NFL

    “And before the AFCCG you say you didn’t know McNally’s name. Brady said I knew his face. And did you know his responsibilities? Brady said he worked in the equipment room etc. What was your understanding, if any, regarding his responsibilities to bring the balls to the ref before the game? Brady said I wasn’t sure. And did you see in the Paul, Weiss investigative report (Wells Report) that Jastremski has stated that you knew McNally and his role as an officials locker room attendant? Did you see that in the report? Brady said Yes. And do you think that’s inaccurate? Brady said Yes. McNally said that he had been personally told by you of your inflation level preference during the 2014 season? Did you see that in the report? Brady said I saw it and I don’t remember that.”

    Bottom of page 139 Cross by Brady’s lawyer

    “In fact you didn’t know him (McNally)? Brady said Correct, well by face.” (No mention of Bird nickname)

    Top of page 140

    “Did you ever discuss footballs or deflation or psi or anything like that with McNally? Brady said No.”

    So Brady said in the Wells report he didn’t know his name, but under cross by his attorney, Kessler, Brady said he didn’t know McNally. Contradicted by Jastremski.

    Brady said he didn’t know McNally’s game day role also contradicted by Jastremski.

    Brady said he didn’t discuss psi levels with McNally. Contradicted by McNally.

    Conclusion – Brady lied to Wells and lied under oath to Goodell.

    Also I find it very surprising Brady didn’t know McNally’s name as McNally was a 32 year employee that USED to travel with the team. Also note Brady never said he knew McNally by his nickname Bird. So Bird was just another deflection. He only knew his face. If Brady really didn’t know his name then that shows how shallow a person Brady is.

    So why did Brady lie?
    ———————————————————-
    WOW. Talk about copying, and pasting. Great job you did there to make the narrative fit your one track mind.

    McNally DID NOT travel with the team…He was a home game day employee…His full time job is a beer distributorship.

    Also Brady stated that he did not know McNally by his real name, Brady only knew him as “Burt!”

    You’re just one of many people who haven’t taken the time to REALLY read the Wells Report, Brady Appeal transcripts, etc.

    There’s a poster on here, I believe factpurveyor is the monicker he uses who’s posted info about videos that can be found that puts this stupid thing to bed. You should try watching them! BTW, the people in those videos are NOT NE fans.

  33. I saw a note up there about he NFL desperately wanting to find somehting on Manning”…

    For real? He is the Golden boy of the NFL. They d”desperattely “wanted him to ride off into the sunset with a ring; just like Ray – knife wielder – Lewis.

    When is the statue going up in Indy? Will Denver have one too?
    It is so plainly obvious he was using after his surgeries it is comical. Can’t throw a ball 10 yards to breaking all-time TD records in the span of 2 years? UUUUSER, period.

    They turned a blind eye in this “investigation” and likely made not 1 phone call about the whole matter.
    What a joke the NFL “investigators” are. 345 Park Avenue depends on the gullibility of your average NFL fan to perpetuate their myths.

    Sorry folks, your hero is a fraud. Wake up and smell the HGH.
    Manning*

  34. That was a side note and my opinion on if Brady actually knew McNally by name and really irrelevant to Brady lying. It was clearly contradicted by Jastremski as Jastremski said Brady knew McNally and his game day responsibilities. McNally said Brady discussed psi with McNally.

    Patriot fans are trying to deflect the truth by saying Brady didn’t know who Wells and Goodell were referring to when they asked about McNally as Brady knew him by Bird. But clearly even if Brady didn’t know his real name prior to the AFCCG he knew it months later when he testified as he acknowledged he read it in the Wells report.

    I’m still surprised Brady didn’t know his real name as McNally was a part time employee the entire time Brady was on the Patriots and McNally used to travel with the team. And it’s clear as supported by Jastremski and McNally that Brady knew McNally’s game day responsibilities and Brady discussed psi with McNally
    ________________________________________

    Big problem here is you are relying on the now shredded and debunked Wells Report. We now know there are numerous lies in the Wells Report, and not just about the science. So you taking the Wells report as gospel is helping to form your narrative.

    Also, a few keys pieces of info you are missing:

    1. Not only did Brady say he didn’t know McNally, when he was asked about the nickname he called him “Burt”. His nickname was Bird. This helps further support Brady’s side that he generally only knew McNally by face as he couldn’t even get his nickname right.

    2. Teddy Bruschi was on ESPN and also fully admitted he had not idea what McNally’s name was. He said they always just called him Bird. Are you now also accusing him of lying?

    3. If Brady discussed PSI directly with McNally, then why did he print out the PSI rules following the October 2014 game where the footballs were at 16PSI and give it to JJ to give to McNally? Why wouldn’t he just give/talk directly to McNally if they knew each other or he knew of his game day responsibilities?

    Speculation goes both ways

  35. Am I the only one who doesn’t really care what a 30-some year old adult does with their body?

    If you think it’s just Peyton or just Matthews or just Peppers, or even all three of them… you’re nuts.

    Most of the league is juiced. Who cares? This country has gone from “land of the free” to “land of people who need to be saved from themselves”. Let them juice. They’re doing it behind closed doors now.

  36. “The fact that the league ultimately regarded Sly’s allegations against Manning to be not credible makes it even more important to insist on something more than Sly’s shaky word before allowing the league to launch a fishing expedition aimed at getting them to say something that could be used against them.”

    ——–

    the reason the league hasn’t established interview times yet is because they are trying to figure out how to tip-toe around this, just in case something else comes out on these guys.

    with Manning, if something else comes out later, the “he gave us access to all documents requested” statement covers their collective butt because then they can just say he was no longer a player and “there were things we didn’t ask for because we had no right to that information”

  37. Clay Matthews on PED’s?

    Take a look at that forehead. If he was born with that protruding thing- his father must be Frankenstein.

    Clay just needs a couple of those neck-bolt things to complete the package.

  38. This county’s justice system is based on “innocent until proven guilty”…
    ————————–
    This is not a court f law.

    I think it is time the owners of the Green Bay Packers step up and make these guys to submit to the interviews.

  39. I say let the Packers use PED’s, it won’t make any difference to the inevitable game outcome. They just don’t have enough talent and what they have is old and broken down, or now too skinny to be effective (that was in reference to your savior RB).

  40. In years past, I would have said they should submit to the request if they have nothing to hide. In those same years, I would also have allowed a cop to search my car, knowing it to be clean. My car is still clean but any cop that wants to search it today will need not only a warrant, but reason to detain me while he gets one.

  41. streetyson says:
    Jul 28, 2016 7:27 AM
    Impressively quick response from the league, and a team that’s had a bit of a track-record on PEDs, to push the named players to submit to just an interview only 8 months after the trail has gone cold. And only 7 months after Manning’s team threatened the witness’ elderly parents, and at least Manning and possibly the others have had time to clean-up records at the Guyer Inst instead of giving the league that access.

    But to be fair, the league has been awfully busy fiddling CTE, PSI & gate-receipt figures when not developing the game in China

    I laugh every time one of you talks of Manning sending goons to threaten witnesses. The fact is, Manning is wealthy enough to hire investigators to check the facts. Now, how do you suppose one would go about interviewing witnesses? Huh? Yeah, you’d go to their house and ask questions. How come none of the “threatened” people ever reported being “threatened”? Did they fear assassination? Seriously? Maybe they thought their families would be kidnapped? Get real. Manning was cleared because he cooperated and gave them everything they asked for. It’s so simple a child could understand it.

  42. The reasoning Her Goodell used in the witch hunt was that Brady was as guilty as a PED user therefore the harsh suspension well time to pony up VON Commish . Lack of evidence be damned suspend them all !!!!!!

  43. jo6pack says:
    Jul 28, 2016 6:16 AM
    Leave balls outside to get cold and deflate? Four game suspension.

    Have a drink on a plane? That can turn into a whole year suspension.

    Allegedly use PEDs? Interview request.

    Where’s that heavy hand, Goodell?
    ———-

    Don’t forget about destruction of evidence during an investigation and lack of cooperation.

  44. Aaron Rodgers is wasting away in Green Bay – he and Jordy can’t do it by themselves. Fire Ted Thompson already. Most overrated GM in professional sports.

  45. luckyforus says:
    Jul 28, 2016 8:34 AM

    So why did Brady lie?

    ——-

    That is your opinion based on how you wish to interpret the testimony and Wells’ report, and you are entitled to that opinion. But you’re confusing your opinion with being fact.

    You presume Brady should know everyone within the Patriots organization, even people that only work on the busiest 8 days of the year. I’d argue he has more important matters on his mind on those 8 days. I could certainly see a scenario where, after that Jets game fiasco with the balls, Jastremski, with McNally by his side, met with Brady pre-game to discuss the ball psi. The conversation was primarily between Brady and Jastremski with McNally just listening. Jastremski could have said “Bird here brings the balls to the officials locker room, what do you want him to tell the officials?” and Brady says “tell them I want the balls at 12.5”.

    And Brady remembers the conversation being between him and Jastermski, because they were the ones doing the talking and Brady has a lot of other things on his mind. That’s what I believe happened, but I don’t have any further proof than you do.

    In the Wells report, there are many places where Wells has a great amount of elaboration on a topic, when that elaboration suits his purpose. But that elaboration seems to be missing in many places, where the report only states the main point he wants to make with none of the context. It is a hallmark of that report. I’d speculate that constituted part of the ‘wordsmithing’.

    Just because Brady remembers a scenario different than Jastremsk and/or McNally, it doesn’t necessarily mean that he lied.

    one more thing, to say that Brady denied knowing McNally at all, to Goodell, during the appeal is false. he clearly said he knew him by face. it’s in the excerpt you posted.

  46. whatjusthapped says:
    Jul 28, 2016 8:29 AM
    As much as the Viking trolls hate to acknowledge the facts, these players enjoy the same due process as any other US citizen. The NFL has proven on more than one occasion, due process is a concept they have yet to grasp.

    —–

    Ironically, Vikings are the players who use a local and friendly court system to sue and thus attain dispensation to avoid serving punishments for offenses they’ve admitted they committed in order to keep playing football until they retire.

  47. factschecker says:
    Jul 28, 2016 9:58 AM

    How did this get turned into a deflategate thread again?
    ———

    by their nature, a lot of threads have the potential to turn into a deflategate argument because (and I’m a Pats fan):

    – sooner or later a Pats fan will point out the league inconsistencies, and non-Pats fans need to argue back

    – sooner or later a non-Pats fan will relate the topic somehow to the Patriots, and Pats fans need to argue back.

    it’s really that simple

  48. Big problem here is you are relying on the now shredded and debunked Wells Report. We now know there are numerous lies in the Wells Report, and not just about the science. So you taking the Wells report as gospel is helping to form your narrative.

    Also, a few keys pieces of info you are missing:

    1. Not only did Brady say he didn’t know McNally, when he was asked about the nickname he called him “Burt”. His nickname was Bird. This helps further support Brady’s side that he generally only knew McNally by face as he couldn’t even get his nickname right.

    2. Teddy Bruschi was on ESPN and also fully admitted he had not idea what McNally’s name was. He said they always just called him Bird. Are you now also accusing him of lying?

    3. If Brady discussed PSI directly with McNally, then why did he print out the PSI rules following the October 2014 game where the footballs were at 16PSI and give it to JJ to give to McNally? Why wouldn’t he just give/talk directly to McNally if they knew each other or he knew of his game day responsibilities?

    Speculation goes both ways

    =============================

    I’m only speculating regarding whether Brady knew McNally’s real name. It’s really irrelevant to the lying by Brady.

    Brady lied about knowing McNally by face only. If he didn’t know his real name why didn’t he say when he testified he knew him as Bird or Burt. So he knew him more than by face.

    Brady said both to Wells and Goodell he didn’t know McNally’s game day responsibilities and never discussed psi with McNally. So it’s documented twice and before Goodell it’s on record. Brady lied under oath. If it was incorrect in the Wells report than why didn’t the Patriots disputed it in their Wells report context. Pretty major as Wells used this to judge the credibility of Brady.

    Maybe Brady did give the psi directly to McNally and that’s what McNally was reporting.

    I don’t care what Bruschi said, it’s irrelevant and just a deflection as Brady knowing his real name is not meaningful to the facts. So Bruschi knew Bird but Brady did not? Interesting.

    >

  49. That is your opinion based on how you wish to interpret the testimony and Wells’ report, and you are entitled to that opinion. But you’re confusing your opinion with being fact.

    You presume Brady should know everyone within the Patriots organization, even people that only work on the busiest 8 days of the year. I’d argue he has more important matters on his mind on those 8 days. I could certainly see a scenario where, after that Jets game fiasco with the balls, Jastremski, with McNally by his side, met with Brady pre-game to discuss the ball psi. The conversation was primarily between Brady and Jastremski with McNally just listening. Jastremski could have said “Bird here brings the balls to the officials locker room, what do you want him to tell the officials?” and Brady says “tell them I want the balls at 12.5”.

    And Brady remembers the conversation being between him and Jastermski, because they were the ones doing the talking and Brady has a lot of other things on his mind. That’s what I believe happened, but I don’t have any further proof than you do.

    In the Wells report, there are many places where Wells has a great amount of elaboration on a topic, when that elaboration suits his purpose. But that elaboration seems to be missing in many places, where the report only states the main point he wants to make with none of the context. It is a hallmark of that report. I’d speculate that constituted part of the ‘wordsmithing’.

    Just because Brady remembers a scenario different than Jastremsk and/or McNally, it doesn’t necessarily mean that he lied.

    one more thing, to say that Brady denied knowing McNally at all, to Goodell, during the appeal is false. he clearly said he knew him by face. it’s in the excerpt you posted.

    =============================

    So Brady knew McNally by Bird or Burt. Obviously that’s more than by face. Busted.

    >

  50. A certain poster spends time on EVERY article calling Tom Brady a liar. When in fact the only person we know for a fact that LIED is Goodell and the NFL.
    How does this poster justify the LIES the NFL told ? The LIE that started framegate was that 11/12 Patriot footballs were 2 PSI under, which was a LIE.
    The NFL also lied about the Wells report being “independent” which it wasn’t. They lied about Toms’s testimony, and they lied about who wanted the appeal sealed.
    One cant have it both ways , have outrage over Tom , but none over the NFL and Goodell.
    Besides science PROVES there was no tampering.

  51. Brady said both to Wells and Goodell he didn’t know McNally’s game day responsibilities and never discussed psi with McNally. So it’s documented twice and before Goodell it’s on record. Brady lied under oath

    ——-

    you interpreting it as a lie is not necessarily the same as it being a lie.

    In the scenario I posted above regarding a hypothetical meeting between Brady, Jastremski and McNally (which by the way is what I believe probably happened) you have the facts that match what is in the Wells report, but the Wells report doesn’t tell the full story. The Wells report makes it sound like Brady had a conversation with only McNally – it doesn’t actually say that, instead it is presented in a manner which leaves out the details on how Brady said that to McNally.

    Why didn’t Wells elaborate on that conversation between Brady and McNally? Surely if there was supporting information Wells would have used it to his advantage. So where is it? It is missing because it doesn’t exist. Wells doesn’t include any details about the conversation because it weakens the argument he is trying to make. He does that a lot in that report, and that a main reason why it has been shredded.

    Even Wells complained to the league when people were discrediting his report and the league shrugged their shoulders at Wells.

  52. joetoronto says:
    Jul 28, 2016 6:44 AM
    “Their silence speaks volumes.”

    Their silence only says they are good union members who are abiding with what their union leaders requested from them. if the union head tells them to testify they will certainly follow his order.anybody who is or has been in a union knows you dont go against the wishes of their union leaders and lose the respect and fellowship of your fellow union members.

  53. So Brady knew McNally by Bird or Burt. Obviously that’s more than by face. Busted.

    ——-

    have you ever been on a witness stand? witnesses are coached to answer the question asked and ONLY the question asked, and often if the opposing lawyer is asking the question they will cut you off if you start elaborating more than the question asked. The transcript won’t reflect that though.

    You see more than what is actually there.

    Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but opinions (yours and ours) are not facts.

  54. A certain poster spends time on EVERY article calling Tom Brady a liar. When in fact the only person we know for a fact that LIED is Goodell and the NFL. How does this poster justify the LIES the NFL told ? The LIE that started framegate was that 11/12 Patriot footballs were 2 PSI under, which was a LIE. The NFL also lied about the Wells report being “independent” which it wasn’t. They lied about Toms’s testimony, and they lied about who wanted the appeal sealed. One cant have it both ways , have outrage over Tom , but none over the NFL and Goodell. Besides science PROVES there was no tampering.

    =============================

    I’m the poster. Thanks for recognizing me. I only point out that Brady lied because you said everyone else is a liar.

    It’s obvious and a fact Brady lied. Why did he lie? Why did he destroy his phone instead of giving Wells the data he asked for.? Why didn’t the Patriots allow McNally to speak to Wells one more time. That’s called not fully cooperating like the Patriots said they would. Innocent people don’t act this way.

    The lie about the psi didn’t start deflategate. Brady and his scheme of deflating the balls started it.

    Prove Goodell and Wells lied. But I don’t really care cause I know Brady lied under oath and he was found guilty. There’s mountains of circumstantial evidence and science can be argued either way. Liars figure and figures lie. I could probably find 21 scientists out of the thousands of scientists to say the balls were tampered with. Sorry your boy is guilty. Too bad your trophies are tainted.

    >

  55. If players are going to get grilled every time someone writes an article disparaging them, what next? Are they going to have to do a song and dance for Goodall if a blogger has an axe to grind? How about if some angry ex-girlfriend Tweets a furious rant?

    I say to the players: ignore it. Does the NFL even have the authority to compel players to interview? They didn’t have Subpoena power in the League’s relentless Brady attack.

  56. have you ever been on a witness stand? witnesses are coached to answer the question asked and ONLY the question asked, and often if the opposing lawyer is asking the question they will cut you off if you start elaborating more than the question asked. The transcript won’t reflect that though.

    You see more than what is actually there.

    Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but opinions (yours and ours) are not facts.

    ===============================

    Haha, you are wrong again.

    Brady when he was testifying during cross exam by NFL Atty clearly stated he didn’t know McNally by name but face only. Page 123

    Then upon redirect by Brady’s atty, Kessler, page 139 goes like this:

    Kessler: In fact you didn’t know him

    Brady correct, well by face

    But it’s been proven Brady knew him by Bird or Burt that’s more than by face. And of course Jastremski and McNally contradict Brady regarding McNally’s game day duties and discussing psi.

    Brady lied under oath.

    >

  57. jo6pack says:

    Leave balls outside to get cold and deflate? Four game suspension.

    Have a drink on a plane? That can turn into a whole year suspension.

    Allegedly use PEDs? Interview request.

    Where’s that heavy hand, Goodell?

    Knock wife out cold on video? 2 games

    Discipline child? 15 games

  58. Revisionist history like a mofo!

    Just remember Brady up there like a deer in the headlights that first press conference where they started asking him about it.

    Remember BB immediately distancing himself from the whole thing “You’ll have to talk to tom about that”.

    Remember Kraft accepting the punishment without much hoopla(no doubt after a few phone calls with people in the know).

    Pats fans will yap about TB’s innocence until blue in the face. Kind of like how “some people” will insist there actually were dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark.

    You can waste your time arguing with them or you can just shake your head and chuckle to yourself.

  59. Hey NFL while you are interviewing Packer players please interview AR. He said he likes harder balls. By the NFL’s precedent and infinite wisdom that should immediately cause an investigation and will have to include some penalty too.

    NFL stands for

    Now Favoring Lies………….or maybe
    Non Functioning Liars

  60. schmitty2 says:
    Jul 28, 2016 9:21 AM

    This whole so-called “story” was invented by Al-Jazeera, so is by definition not to be taken seriously. It’s like one of those alien abduction stories in the National Enquirer.

    It’s time to move on now, folks.

    Al-Jazeera actually happens to me one of the most respected news outlets in the world so don’t let being a Packers homer blind you.

    ————————————

    Al-Jazeera is an Islamist propaganda machine whose goal is to destroy Western culture. The only “respect” they get is from countries/societies who support that goal (there are a lot of them).

  61. jmethane says:
    Jul 28, 2016 12:14 PM
    Revisionist history like a mofo!

    Just remember Brady up there like a deer in the headlights that first press conference where they started asking him about it.

    Remember BB immediately distancing himself from the whole thing “You’ll have to talk to tom about that”.

    Remember Kraft accepting the punishment without much hoopla(no doubt after a few phone calls with people in the know).

    Pats fans will yap about TB’s innocence until blue in the face. Kind of like how “some people” will insist there actually were dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark.

    You can waste your time arguing with them or you can just shake your head and chuckle to yourself.

    —————-

    I also remember the NFL admitting under oath to Judge Berman that there was no evidence tampering even took place…..let alone by Tom Brady or any individual.

    I also remember the Colts footballs also being measured below the legal limit.

    I also remember countless scientists and physicists looking at the data and concluding nothing occurred outside of mother nature

    But ask yourself this, if Brady did really direct removal of air from footballs, and we totally disregard the Ideal Gas Law, why would Brady direct removal of only 0.2PSI from each ball? Is the guy really that precise that he can feel such a minuscule difference in ball pressure?

  62. —————-

    I also remember the NFL admitting under oath to Judge Berman that there was no evidence tampering even took place…..let alone by Tom Brady or any individual.

    ==============================

    The NFL said no Direct evidence. There was mountains of circumstantial evidence.

    Cheatriot fan always deflecting the truth.

    >

  63. Haha, you are wrong again.

    ——

    Not at all. you are reaching so far it’s ridiculous.

    Just because Brady knew him by Burt (or Bert….I don’t really know which spelling Brady might have assumed but I’m sure the difference would be some sort of monumental evidence to you) doesn’t mean he knew the guy. He may have heard other people calling him Burt (or Bert) and assumed that was his name, but that in no way means Brady knew him.

    Brady could as well have said “I thought his name was Burt” in response to Kessler, but that doesn’t mean he knows the guy. To think those are equivalent is absurd.

    Really, if he doesn’t know the guy’s name, then it is more probable than not that he doesn’t know the guy.

    Back in the 80s I worked at a place that had about 160 employees. I worked in the main office building, and there was this guy that worked in another building on the same property. Every day, as part of his job, he would come to the main office building and needed to enter a locked, employee only door. Most of the time I was the person to let him in because my desk was closest to this door. I never knew his real name, but someone nicknamed him Herpes (I’m not making this up) and it stuck. This went on for probably 3 or 4 years.

    Now if there had been an investigation (say, someone stealing from the supply closet) and I was asked if I knew (whatever his real name was) I would have said No. If I was asked “did you ever let (whatever his name was) in the door, I would have said no.

    Now at some point later in time, I’m being asked by the owner of the company “you said to the investigator you did not know this guy, is that correct?” I could have said “correct, only by face” or I could have said “correct, though we called him Herpes”. Neither of those statements say I knew the guy and you can’t assume I knew the guy by either of those statements.

    And just because I let him into the building pretty much every day for 3 or 4 years doesn’t mean I knew what he was doing there.

  64. “Remember how fun baseball was during McGuire, Bonds and Sosa roid rage!”

    Oh yeah….it was really fun watching previously scrawny players who never hit more than 15 HR in a season suddenly hit 40 or 50 homers.

  65. AAAWWWWW!!!!!!!

    Should have figured this thread would be taken over by a bunch of patriots fans claiming Tom Brady’s innocence.

    Please stop. Please.

  66. jmethane says:
    Jul 28, 2016 12:14 PM

    Just remember Brady up there like a deer in the headlights that first press conference where they started asking him about it.

    ——

    That entire press conference was held under the premise that 11 of 12 balls were at least 2 psi under the minimum, and that the Colts balls were all good. neither of which were even close to being true.

    I’ll agree he looked suspicious at the time, but he was being asked questions on a false premise. At that is exactly what the league wanted….otherwise, why did it take them to months to provide the real psi data to Kraft, and that was only after signing a non-disclosure statement.

    I ask you: what so damning about the real psi numbers that the league didn’t want the truth about them to come out?

  67. It took exactly one comment before this turned into a Patriots martyrware party. Telling tales of St. Thomas of Foxborough being sacrificed to the alter of satan by the dark Lord Rogermort. You people are fools…Tom lost…you lost…the Patriots lost. Deal with it.

  68. A certain poster still didn’t answer the question posed by another poster! Why is it ok that the NFL lied? They lied about the PSI levels, they lied that the Wells report was independent, they lied that Tom wanted the appeal sealed & they lied that Tom & JJ never discussed what could have happened to the balls.
    So it’s ok the NFL lied?!
    As the 21 scientists said in their brief to the court ” it is not tampering. It is science.”

  69. mnvikes1961 says:
    Jul 28, 2016 1:13 PM

    AAAWWWWW!!!!!!!

    Should have figured this thread would be taken over by a bunch of patriots fans claiming Tom Brady’s innocence.

    Please stop. Please.
    ———-

    actually luckyforus turned it into this at 8:48 am this morning. look for yourself. and he/she is clearly not a Patriots fan

  70. The NFL said no Direct evidence. There was mountains of circumstantial evidence.

    Cheatriot fan always deflecting the truth.
    __________________________________________

    You are the captain of deflection. You continue to interpret opinions as facts when they support your narrative. On 10 different articles you have said there is mountains of circumstantial evidence against Brady then also say there is no documented evidence against Manning using PEDs. Which matters, circumstantial evidence or documented evidence (whatever that means?) You can’t really have it both ways. There is also mountains of circumstantial evidence against Manning. And mountains of circumstantial evidence that Brady did absolutely nothing. Probably the same with Manning, but let’s be honest he definitely used HGH.

  71. pftoutcast says:
    Jul 28, 2016 1:17 PM

    It took exactly one comment before this turned into a Patriots martyrware party. Telling tales of St. Thomas of Foxborough being sacrificed to the alter of satan by the dark Lord Rogermort. You people are fools…Tom lost…you lost…the Patriots lost. Deal with it
    —–

    while people may have pointed out consistencies, it didn’t turn into this until luckyforus’s post at 8:48 am. he/she was the first to make a lengthy post about Brady and then ask “why did Brady lie”.

    do you think that won’t go unanswered?

    As long as people like luckyforus keep trying to point out guilt where there is none, Pats fans will defend Brady and the Pats.

    Get used to it, cuz we’re not going anywhere. You want us to stop the defense, then stop the accusations.

  72. If those players are innocent of ped use, why would they refuse to cooperate with the investigation?

    —-

    …read the article.

  73. Aaron Rodgers is wasting away in Green Bay – he and Jordy can’t do it by themselves. Fire Ted Thompson already. Most overrated GM in professional sports.

    —-

    Yeah, you may want to check out his track record. One of the most successful GMs currently. Nobody ever said you were a bright one, though, to be fair.

  74. jhein23 says:
    Jul 28, 2016 8:12 AM

    It’s funny all the people assuming guilt are the same ones who were damning Peyton Manning too and look how that turned out. Innocent after thorough investigation by NFL who desperately wanted to find something.
    ———
    If you actually believe in “thorough NFL investigations”, then you actually don’t believe in SCIENCE which makes your sources unreliable to say the least. This is like believing in ESPN’s journalism when its nothing but hot takes and false reports, but yeah, keep on believing that the NFL desperately wanted to find something when egg-head has been the NFL’s false idol all these years.

  75. They aren’t talking because the NFLPA told them not to.
    That’s the bottom line folks. Step over the unions line and now your peers / teammates have a beef with you.
    Personally, I wouldn’t cross a union picket line, so I have to agree with the decision they don’t talk until the players assoc says they can. This is why unions exist. To protect employees from questionable employer practices.

  76. While it looks like the allegations are completely unfounded and based upon recanted statements, the dopes who are applying criminal due process standards to this situation demonstrate their cluelessness.

    This isn’t a criminal investigation, and frankly it hasn’t even reached the civil litigation stage (with different standards). At this point the issue is contractual and any procedural “rights” are defined by the collective bargaining agreement, whatever the hell those are. If the CBA doesn’t mandate cooperation or giving statements to the NFL in investigations like these, the players don’t have any legal obligation to do so — and if it does, they do regardless of their flipping civil liberties.

  77. And just because I let him into the building pretty much every day for 3 or 4 years doesn’t mean I knew what he was doing there.

    =============================

    But Jastremski and McNally both said Brady knew McNally and his game day duties and discussed psi Sorry not believable that Brady only knew his face.

    >

  78. This whole thing is a tempest in a teapot.

    What would indicate to anyone following the NFL that they are now serious about seeking and punishing PED users?
    They throw a few suspensions out there every year for appearances. There is no evidence to suggest they want to clean house.
    In fact, I’d wager they are pretty ticked off with even having to deal with this mess from Al Jazeera. But some PR firm told htem to get ahead of it and rubber stamp an “investigation” exactly like they did with Manning*

    They want to find PED users about as much as they want to find the link between repeated head trauma and CTE.

    These are Stars, that drive revenues, and excitement in the league. Let the Sheeple believe they are all natural Hulks of men. That’s what the NFL is all about. Large men beating the carp out of each other for 20 weeks in a year.
    No reason to upset the money train.

    I’d give 1000 to 1 odds, not one of these guys is found in violation of anything due to the Al Jazeera report, even though it’s clear Sly was telling the truth, until he “recanted” to save is own hide.

  79. Hm. Another offseason debacle for m’PACK. Not good. Hope this distraction blows over in time for the season. Not sure if Jordey is going to be healthy either? Oh well, we still have MY GUY ROGERS so theres always a chance. GO PACK!!

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  80. But Jastremski and McNally both said Brady knew McNally and his game day duties and discussed psi Sorry not believable that Brady only knew his face
    ——–

    I am not saying that did not happen. What I am saying is that it may not be as clear and simple as the way you state it. If it was, Wells surely would have provided the supporting testimony, in the context of what Jastremski and McNally said actually took place, in his report. But he didn’t.

    Wells kept it very simple. Which is what he does everywhere that the supporting evidence is weak. Wherever he thinks he has strong evidence, he goes into a great amount of elaboration. With this, he did not. But why not?

    As I said before, I tend to believe that there was a conversation between Jastremski and Brady, with McNally present. Jastremski said to Brady “Burt here is the officials locker room attendant and he brings the balls to the officials. What do you want him to tell the officials?” and Brady said “I want them at 12.5”.

    But Brady remembers the conversation being between him and Jastremski. They may have talked about it in the days leading up to the game, but the Wells report doesn’t elaborate on that. The Wells report doesn’t even say that the meeting was before a game, but with McNally working only on game days, it would have to be pre-game. Wells doesn’t say if Brady met alone with McNally, but if McNally had told him that, you can bet it would be in Wells’ report.

    But Wells needs to find Brady not credible…..his entire basis for the ‘more probable than not’ relies on it. So he sticks with the simple facts, out of context, because the context weakens his argument.

    That Brady would not remember McNally being there, if in fact the conversation was between Brady and Jastremski as I present it, is not surprising given there’s so much going on on a game day.

    That doesn’t mean Brady lied.

  81. But Jastremski and McNally both said Brady knew McNally and his game day duties and discussed psi Sorry not believable that Brady only knew his face.

    ———–

    I don’t think your statement about what Jastremski and McNally said is totally accurate. I’ll get back to you on why. I’m sure you’ll post the same “Brady lied” argument in the next article that mentions Manning.

  82. I’m a huge Packer fan and I’m happy Clay and JP are on the gas. They should be–this is the NFL, everyone is on ‘roids and none of us should give a crap because the NFL clearly doesn’t. Oh yeah, they test, except they don’t test for HGH because the blood test is still unreliable and the accurate test requires a spinal tap. Look, this sport is extremely violent, and these guys need the juice to recover, why is this a moral crusade for mouth-breathing fans?

  83. Wow. This comments feed has to be one of the all time leaders when if comes to average length of post.

    So I read the article, it was about Matthews and Peppers. Then I read the posts, they were mostly about Tom Brady, some about Payton Manning, and only a couple places were anyone had anything to say about Mathews and Peppers.

    Gee whiz guys. As much as most of you hate Tom Brady you sure do invest a huge amount of your life obsessing on him. Even if he is not the topic you obsess on him.

  84. They don’t talk to Goodell, they’ll get suspended for sure, then there will be an appeal that goes on and on and a cloud hangs over these players and their diva team producing a major distraction that’s in the media for months and months. . . Good luck, Cheeseheads, you’ll need it.

  85. Goodell needs to produce the evidence that has been gathered. It can’t simply be the words of a nobody for an obscure news agency. The players have all said they would be glad to talk. Their union does not want them to set precedent, and refuses to allow them to do so. The Packers don’t want the distraction, which is understandable. The players aren’t concerned, only annoyed.

    Any more than that is the opinion of haters.

  86. 345snarkavenue says:
    Jul 28, 2016 1:20 PM
    mnvikes1961 says:
    Jul 28, 2016 1:13 PM

    AAAWWWWW!!!!!!!

    Should have figured this thread would be taken over by a bunch of patriots fans claiming Tom Brady’s innocence.

    Please stop. Please.
    ———-

    actually luckyforus turned it into this at 8:48 am this morning. look for yourself. and he/she is clearly not a Patriots fan

    ________

    True dat. My apologies (but ya know they’re still coming). Cheers!

  87. stellarperformance says:
    Jul 28, 2016 6:22 PM
    Goodell needs to produce the evidence that has been gathered. It can’t simply be the words of a nobody for an obscure news agency. The players have all said they would be glad to talk. Their union does not want them to set precedent, and refuses to allow them to do so. The Packers don’t want the distraction, which is understandable. The players aren’t concerned, only annoyed.

    Any more than that is the opinion of haters.

    ———————————————–

    If there is anything we have learned recently it’s that Goodell does NOT need to produce evidence. If he decides these guys are suspended they are suspended. Period. CBA allows it. Remember?

  88. actually luckyforus turned it into this at 8:48 am this morning. look for yourself. and he/she is clearly not a Patriots fan

    ==============================

    Thanks for the recognition, but the very first line of the first post referred to leaving balls outside to get cold and deflate.

    If you want to give me credit that’s ok too as the more people that know Brady lied under oath the better.

    >

  89. luckyforus says:
    Jul 28, 2016 11:42 PM

    actually luckyforus turned it into this at 8:48 am this morning. look for yourself. and he/she is clearly not a Patriots fan

    ==============================

    Thanks for the recognition, but the very first line of the first post referred to leaving balls outside to get cold and deflate.

    If you want to give me credit that’s ok too as the more people that know Brady lied under oath the better.
    —————-

    the posts before yours made comments relative to the nature of the article, mostly about consistency, or lack thereof, of punishments handed down for various infractions.

    your post went into great length in trying to point out why you believe Brady lied, and then asked Why? and that is what turned this thread into a discussion about Brady/Patriots/deflategate.

    By the way, in the Wells report, he states that McNally told NFL Security that Brady personally told him the desired PSI level. But McNally denied saying that in Wells’ interview.

    It is actually a disputed statement.

  90. mnvikes1961 says:
    Jul 28, 2016 9:14 PM

    True dat. My apologies (but ya know they’re still coming). Cheers

    accepted, thank you.

    Best wishes to the Vikes this year

  91. By the way, in the Wells report, he states that McNally told NFL Security that Brady personally told him the desired PSI level. But McNally denied saying that in Wells’ interview.

    It is actually a disputed statement

    =============================

    What’s your source for McNally disputing his statement regarding psi? >

  92. luckyforus says:
    Jul 29, 2016 12:54 PM

    What’s your source for McNally disputing his statement regarding psi?

    ——

    See the last sentence of page 95 and about half of page 96 of the Wells Report.

    McNally never made a statement to Wells that Brady told him the psi directly. It is NFL Security that told Wells that McNally made a statement to that effect.

    McNally denies he made that statement.

  93. by the way…..elsewhere in the Wells Report Wells leaves out the denial part and just says that McNally made that statement to NFL security

    ==============================

    What is the source for the denial?

    >

  94. as I noted in my post above, starting on page 95 of the Wells report:

    “Among other things, and as set forth in an NFL Security interview report, McNally told Raucci and Grossi that he was uncertain about why he decided to take the game balls to the field when he did or without an escort. According to the report, McNally stated that he walked directly to the field and that nothing unusual occurred during the walk from the locker room to the field. McNally also stated that he knows that Brady prefers game balls inflated to 12.5 psi, because Brady personally told McNally of his preference. In addition, McNally told Raucci and Grossi that he had never heard anyone even joke about deflating game balls.

    When interviewed in February 2015 by the Paul, Weiss team, McNally denied that he made any of these statements during the interview with Raucci and Grossi, and stated that any report of the interview that included such statements was incorrect and inaccurate.”

  95. But ask yourself this, if Brady did really direct removal of air from footballs, and we totally disregard the Ideal Gas Law, why would Brady direct removal of only 0.2PSI from each ball? Is the guy really that precise that he can feel such a minuscule difference in ball pressure?

    ———————————————————-

    Very valid point. I would have thought that would have fallen more in Rodgers area of expertise……

  96. The USADA should be the governing body for administrating / testing any NFL athletes for PED and have the power to discipline anyone caught cheating.

  97. The league has cleared Manning…why is this an issue for any of the other players?

    And please do not say “because Manning cooperated” as there is no way to know how fully Manning “cooperated”.

    Manning was cleared, therefore all other players named should be as well…

  98. mypostsalwaysseemtogetdeleted says:
    Aug 3, 2016 1:44 PM

    The league has cleared Manning…why is this an issue for any of the other players?
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    It’s the NFL League office…..they pick the winners and losers.

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