Bosa impasse continues

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With not many topics for negotiation in rookie contracts and the Chargers and defensive end Joey Bosa at odds on each of them, there’s no easy solution to the current impasse. Already, it’s the longest holdout by any draft pick since the new rookie wage scale was adopted in 2011.

Neither side is inclined to blink. If that continues, what happens? Glad you asked. (Even if you didn’t.)

Bosa can sign at any time through the Tuesday after Week 10. Beyond that point, he can’t play in 2016.

After the season, the Chargers would retain exclusive rights to him until the 2017 draft begins. At that point, Bosa would re-enter the draft.

Because the Chargers would continue to hold his rights, no other team could talk to Bosa before the draft, and he wouldn’t be permitted to return to the Scouting Combine.

The Chargers could, in theory, trade Bosa. But they would need to do it quickly. Under the CBA, they can trade Bosa’s rights up until the 30th day before the start of the regular season. The regular season begins on September 8, with the Panthers visiting the Broncos. The Chargers have until Tuesday, August 9 to send his rights to another team.

The Chargers haven’t even mentioned the possibility of trading him, and for good reason. On Thursday, coach Mike McCoy reiterated his desire that Bosa sign a deal and join his teammates.

We want everybody here,” McCoy said, via ESPN.com. “His teammates want him here. We all understand the type of player he is but I’m very excited and pleased with where our team is today. . . . Joey’s just going to make us that much better when he gets here. I’m ready for him to be here today.”

Unless the Chargers or Bosa blink or the two sides find some other way to bridge the divide, Bosa may not be there any time soon. If everyone involved is sufficiently stubborn, he may never be there.

82 responses to “Bosa impasse continues

  1. Chargers have a history of being cheap. Spanos is trying to convince SD that he’s a good owner/person to get a stadium. Not the time to be petty.

  2. I think that Joey is getting poor advice. Many good players have signed their contracts with offsets. More teams have moved in that direction. He should understand that he needs to get on the field ASAP.

  3. Orginally I was against Bosa on his stance, but having seen some of the details, it makes sense why he is. The Chargers are taking an absolutely ridiculous stance on his contract:

    They want offset language in the contract, in addition to deferring his signing bonus. No other 1st round pick has these conditions.

    San Diego is being incredibly stubborn (borderline fraudulent) on this issue. They are asking for something that is simply ridiculous.

  4. Bosa is a selfish prick to his teammates. Did every other 1st round pick get what he is demanding? I don’t think so. Unfortunately he is no Von Miller or JJ Watt and the Chargers will be terrible anyway.

  5. All Bosa needs to do is sign the day before the season start. Then he collect his full paycheck. And guaranteed for 4 years too.
    He won’t be able to play for a while s he wont be in football shape or know the playbook.

    He’ll learn it eventually and by the end of 4 years he will not be impacted by this. His development will be slowed a little but he’ll still reach his potential.

    The Chargers on the other hand will pay 6.5MM this year for little or no productivity. But they will have possibly saved 500K in 4 years if he’s cut (which he wont be).

  6. This seems petty on both sides.

    It’s not that big of a deal, and both Joey and the team should want his NFL career starting out on the right foot.

  7. Diego!
    No worries mis hermanos!

    You guys get the weather we all dream about pretty much all year. You get the tanned women. Nice beaches. Think about it. Awesome stuff.

    Sports on the other hand? It just hasn’t worked out.
    Leave that for other cities to enjoy.

  8. I remember when Wayne Huizinga hired Bill Parcells in Miami, he explicitly made it clear that there was to be no more holdouts of draft choices.

    Parcells honored this during the vetting process before the draft. This is what the Chargers could have at least sniffed out when they met with Bosa before the draft.

  9. Two words: Denzel Perryman. Blew everyone away as a rookie last year, and if this year follows suit, could be in line soon for a lucrative extension. Thing is – he showed up for OTA’s and practices from day one. Bosa’s agents lose nothing, but he will lose out if he continues to get bad advice and hold out. He’s a ROOKIE! There are very hungry guys who want him to keep sitting on his couch so they can earn a starting spot.

  10. Two words: Denzel Perryman. Showed up for everything as a rookie and had a great season. Has a good chance for a lucrative extension if this year goes well.

    Bosa’s agents aren’t helping him, and there are enough hungry players who want him to stay on the couch and they can earn the starting spot.

  11. Organizational incompetence. Bosa is simply asking for features in his contract that EVERY other player taken at #3 has received under this CBA. This isn’t on Bosa.

  12. flipper9494 says:
    Aug 4, 2016 7:15 PM
    Two words: Denzel Perryman. Blew everyone away as a rookie last year, and if this year follows suit, could be in line soon for a lucrative extension. Thing is – he showed up for OTA’s and practices from day one. Bosa’s agents lose nothing, but he will lose out if he continues to get bad advice and hold out. He’s a ROOKIE! There are very hungry guys who want him to keep sitting on his couch so they can earn a starting spot.

    Actually if he doesn’t sign a contract his agent doesn’t make his commission. I don’t think that qualifies as losing nothing

  13. if he thinks he is worth more money then he needs to get out there and prove it.

    Teams are done overpaying unproved rookies, I think Bosa needs to ditch his agent and get to camp because right now he is only hurting himself with this missed time.

    oh and as a Raider fan im glad hahahaha

  14. Joey should use the time to fix that giant clogged proboscis so he doesn’t snort when he talks…..actually, that’s a good name for him, Joey Proboscis.

    “BOSA!” is just the sound he makes when he tries to clear it.

  15. mrwalterisgod says:
    Aug 4, 2016 6:31 PM

    Orginally I was against Bosa on his stance, but having seen some of the details, it makes sense why he is. The Chargers are taking an absolutely ridiculous stance on his contract:

    They want offset language in the contract, in addition to deferring his signing bonus. No other 1st round pick has these conditions.

    San Diego is being incredibly stubborn (borderline fraudulent) on this issue. They are asking for something that is simply ridiculous.

    I agree. I blamed Bosa at first but why should he agree to a contract that has conditions in it that no other first round pick’s contract has just because the Chargers are being cheap. It’s not about the offset. Bosa’s camp said they’d agree to the offset but they want the Chargers to not defer the bonus. In essence, that means the Chargers would get the offset just like they wanted and not have to give up anything other than what EVERY OTHER TEAM has agreed to. Deferring the bonus is stupid, but then again, it’s the Chargers. If you don’t think other players and potential free agents aren’t watching this I would guess you’re wrong. Why would a free agent go to an organization that is going to try to screw their players. All San Diego has to do is not try to defer the bonus and he’d sign. Whoever is making the decision to dig in their heels on deferring the bonus is dumber than a box of dumb rocks.

  16. I think this is a good omen as both L.T. and Philip Rivers had very contentious negotiations with the Chargers. L.T. went so far as to go to Dean’s office and they talked it out.

    Bosa, go down to Dean’s office tomorrow, without your agent, and just talk to him.

  17. OK, so basically, you’re reporting there’s nothing to report… Got it!

    Wake me up when something noteworthy happens.

  18. San Diego is being incredibly stubborn (borderline fraudulent) on this issue. They are asking for something that is simply ridiculous.
    ____________________________________
    I see we have another fan boy lawyer in the locker room. Son, where did you go to law school? I got my JD at Cal.

    Chargers aren’t asking for anything more than the other teams demand and receive. Your claim that Diego is “borderline fraudulent” is laughable and proves you don’t know the definition of fraud.

    Anyway, don’t quit your day job. Being a paper boy is something to be proud of.

  19. I love the idiots on here

    “JUST GET OUT THERE AND PLAY ROOK”

    “HE HASNT EARNED ANYTHING HE SHOULD SIGN WHATEVER THEY ARE OFFERING”

    “HES BEING SELFISH TO HIS TEAMMATES”

  20. So how much is his bonus?

    So what are the Chargers saying? We want it deferred so we can have more time to do what?….make the money to pay him?

    Because an NFL team is a little tight right now?

    Please….

  21. For those of you claiming no other first round pick has offset language, you are dead wrong. Carson Wentz has offset language as do other first rounders such as Conklin, Buckner and Floyd. These were all reported here on the PFT site.

    As for the dude who said they should just have slotted pay already, um, they do. Glad to see Charger fans are up on the latest news.

  22. I see we have another fan boy lawyer in the locker room. Son, where did you go to law school? I got my JD at Cal.

    Chargers aren’t asking for anything more than the other teams demand and receive. Your claim that Diego is “borderline fraudulent” is laughable and proves you don’t know the definition of fraud.

    Anyway, don’t quit your day job. Being a paper boy is something to be proud of.
    ===================================

    Find me another team who deferred the signing bonus.

    Grab me a coffee and a bacon sandwich while you’re at it, since this is going to take awhile.

  23. Didn’t you also say that Von was going to hold out all year? lol
    Bosa is going to sign, and then do what all Charger draft picks do…. bust

  24. As a longtime Chargers fan I completely blame the cheap and incompetent ownership for this. He shouldn’t be the first 3 pick since the new wage scale to take less. Spanos knew the deal (or at least should have). Don’t wanna pay the price everyone else pays trade the pick.

  25. ….he’s a linebacker for crying out loud…u jusy wind them up and cut them loose. He’s not missing that much in camp if they sint hitting. The Chargers are being unreasonable here. No wonder they couldnt get a stadium.

  26. Bosa’s agent is doing whats best for him. The Chargers are a notoriously cheap organization that’s a fact. The fact that no other 1st round pick has this kind of language just shows you how pathetic they are.

    Bosa should do what is in the best interest for him. If he has a down rookie year because of it so be it. Then that will be on the chargers. But if i was him i’d just re-enter the draft and tell the Chargers to kick rocks.

  27. It’s very simple Spanos, pay him all his bonus money now just like every other draft pick has been paid

    I’m beginning to think maybe Spanos is trying to sabotage the Chargers so everyone votes against the stadium proposal

  28. This has NOTHING to do with Bosa, It is all about the agent’s protecting their rep. But if Bosa flops those agents will also flop. FOREVER. The other agents will make sure of that! His dad was a reputed roid flop, so Joey has a lot to prove if he ever plays.

  29. Stop all the hate please !
    Most of you dont know what this is about and why both sides have a case and an impass.
    Risk is gonna have to be taken at some point .
    The offset language rule needs to apply to prevent an agent using a
    Fondue as well .
    Double dipping should just be outlawed period and the union needs to mandate it .
    Teams need to do a better job in both pro rating bonus pay and laden incentives in the first year and the negotiating window should not be so long and carry into the season.

  30. This isn’t about being cheap. The money is slotted. It’s about deferring the bonus and double dipping if he’s a bust and signs elsewhere. There’s nothing cheap about this, it’s in EVERY contract for the Chargers. They all agree to it. It’s common across the league. Does this guy think he’s above Philip Rivers, or what?

  31. Clearly the Chargers made an error in the draft. They should have drafted a player who didn’t have a decent agent willing to go toe to toe with management when management is being unreasonable. The CBA lays out what every first rounder should get and every team has their guy signed, that is, except the Chargers. Why is that would anyone ask if it is laid out in the CBA? Because the Chargers want offset language and a deferred bonus, something no other first round pick had in their contract and especially not one drafted so high. Perhaps the Chargers should rethink the draft as to which agent they can hoodwink instead of which player betters their team.

  32. Wow. Huge Buckeye fan. Sad to discover that this guy doesn’t really want to play football. No love for the game. Don’t even sign now as your teammates that are busting their a$$e$ in this hot Summer heat won’t forgive you for your laziness and prima donna entitlement.

  33. Trade him right now. This guy is a complete turd of a human being and he’s showing it right off the bat. I’ve got some friends that know Bosa and he’s about as white trash as they come. People blaming the Chargers….they’ve been drafting high draft picks for a while now and this is the first time this has come up….gee…wonder why? #turdsandwich

  34. =============
    Wow. Huge Buckeye fan. Sad to discover that this guy doesn’t really want to play football. No love for the game. Don’t even sign now as your teammates that are busting their a$$e$ in this hot Summer heat won’t forgive you for your laziness and prima donna entitlement.
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    Under the CBA Bosa is entitled to the double dipping. If the team wants him to give it up, they should offer him something. They are being hurt more than he is. He will still get all 4 years guaranteed, but the Chargers are costing themselves a year of productivity because he won’t be effective this year.
    It’s not Bosa, it’s the Chargers who are making demands without offering him something.
    The Chargers are mismanaged

  35. With Tamba Hali certainly “showing his age” and Justin Houston still hurt its too bad they couldn’t find a way to trade him to the Chiefs.

  36. As a Bronco fan I hope he sits out and doesnt sign cause I dont want to face him twice a year. He was a great pick for SD or any team who drafted him. Sure he is no Von or JJ but he’s young and has potential to be a beast. There is a max that rookies can get so meet in between play out that first contract and then hold out for the big one. Easier said for us fans who can’t imagine the bank these players make but when your shelf life is 6-8 years I see his point as well. Anyway good Luck Bosa and SD this year

  37. Man, it’s hard to be a Chargers fan sometimes (OK – a lot of the time). Anyone who looks into the facts on this holdout can plainly see it is ENTIRELY the Chargers’ fault. They are trying to get Bosa to sign a contract no top-5 pick in the new CBA era has ever signed. In fact, their offer of offset language and a deferred bonus payment would be an anomaly for ANY 1st round pick in the last 5 years.

    And since the bonus is paid out over the course of the first season, it’s literally a two month deferment the team is fighting for (Jan-2017 to March-2017). Or just take out the offset language that you’re almost certainly never going to use and get your 1st round pick into camp.

    The Chargers’ long and storied history of trolling their own draft picks continues. Smh

  38. Sounds to me like he should wait until after week 10, since he wont be penalized for it in any way. He probably wont play a snap all year, but he will get paid for it, and the time between him signing and him getting his full bonus will be cut in half.

  39. Both sides are being stupidly stubborn, and there is an incredibly simple solution. There are two issues, offset and deferment. Chargers want to have their cake and eat it too, Bosa wants neither. So one side gets one, while the other side “gets” the other by it not being there. And there’s already plenty of precedent out there as to which it should be. The Chargers should get the offset, while not being able to defer any money past October (if at all). But if for some reason they think the deferment is what they must have, then abandon the offset language and move on.

  40. Also, I watched tape on this guy and he honestly reminds me of JJ Watt as far as his physicality and his motor. I realize he was a bit of a man against boys at the NCAA level, and the competition will be much tougher now, but from what we have to go on, he looks like a monster.

  41. I’m still blaming Bosa and that bad advice his greedy agents are giving him. The Chargers ALSO deserve equal, if not more, blame.

    Bosa is learning quickly that what the Chargers are doing to him, the taxpayers have been experiencing. Greedy Spanos wants a free brand new stadium with solid gold railing, none of that cheap gold plated stuff at the expense of the taxpayers in San Diego and in LA.

    Go to hell, Spanos

  42. The Chargers are known all across the NFL Agent landscape for crap like this.

    It was even worse when AJ Smith was the GM.

    This was one of the reasons Eli didn’t want to go there.

    They want to cry and moan about basic principles in every contract and used to have a history of 1st round picks always signing late.

    Eli didn’t want to be apart of a holdout and it was a 100% guarantee with AJ Smith.

  43. 2016 signing bonus situation for top 7 picks in draft….

    Goff 18.6 million (100% of bonus)
    Wentz 16.69 million (95% of bonus) 1 million in 2017
    Bosa proposed 8.5 million (50% of bonus) 8.5 in 2017
    Elliot 10.45 million (70% of bonus) 4.9 in 2017
    Ramsey 12.6 million (84% of bonus) 2.5 in 2017
    Stanley 13.55 million (100% of bonus)
    Buckner 11.88 million (100% of bonus)

    I think that SD needs to raise the bonus % and Bosa needs to agree with some type of deferment (maybe 25% tops).

    Numbers are sourced from San Diego UT and spotrac.

  44. If I were his teammate, I’d haze the crap outta him when he gets in camp. What a moron.

  45. The team has the upper hand here. Sure, they want Bosa on the field. But in the long run, it’s Bosa who stands to loose the most. If he sits, then:
    1) He is losing time for training, conditioning & team cohesiveness.
    2) The team retains his rights throughout the year, meaning he isn’t getting paid
    3) If he doesn’t sign, then he isn’t playing…meaning he won’t earn a year toward his rookie contract. This delays by a year getting paid the big bucks. Also, it deflates his stats that would help drive a larger future contract offer.
    4) If he doesn’t sign, then it’s HIGHLY unlikey a different team will want him 3rd over all in 2017 draft, after being removed from the game for a year & being a prior year hold out due to the rookie pay scale that is taody, almost a robo-sign agreement for 99.9% of players.

    The team would miss a player…but the player loses WAY, WAY more than the team.

  46. His agency is CAA, one of the largest talent agencies around. A rookie contract is chump change for them, and he will sign something at some point so they will get paid. They are using this to show the Von Miller type FA’s coming up that they are the best negotiators around. That’s the big money. Bosa may be an unwitting pawn in this whole thing.

  47. Sounds like a reasonable compromise. Offset means if he doesn’t go w a 5th yr option w SD they are still on the hook for the remainder of his signing bonus when he signs w another team. So he gets paid by 2 teams in effect for yr 5

    They agreed to that.

    In return they are asking to defer the signing bonus to next yr.

    That costs Bosa whatever inflation is ~ 2%.

    Surely the offset which means he gets paid by 2 teams in effect for his 5th yr is > than 2% of a SB

  48. Correction: should be 4th year not 5th yr above

    Reading the SD UT article they are actually just grousing over paying the bonus all by Dec 31 ,2016 or 50% then and 50% in March 2017, 2 1/2 months later.

    So it is over 2 months of interest on $17M . Only ~ $70,800 at 5%/yr ( a decent return) in interest for the 2.5 months

    Sounds kind of petty on a $26M deal. Just give it to him and get on w it.

  49. I don’t care if Bosa is petty or a bust or his agent’s pawn or a clown or whatever. None of those things change the fact that the Chargers are GREEDY MAGGOTS. Is that not everything that’s wrong with the NFL today?

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