Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from Deflategate

AP

Patriots quarterback Tom Brady spoke to the media today for the first time since dropping his legal fight against his four-game suspension for Deflategate, and he said he’s trying as best he can to put it behind him.

“It’s just personal, and I’ve tried to move on from it,” Brady said. “I try to focus on the positive, being here with my teammates and getting better. You don’t want to go out and do anything but be a great example for your teammates.”

Asked how he’ll handle being away from his teammates when the season starts, Brady said he isn’t sure.

“I’ll deal with that when it comes,” Brady said. “I could have a plan, change the plan, I really don’t know.”

When asked if he feels anger toward “the powers that be” about his suspension, Brady gave a non-answer. But he denied a reporter’s observation that he appears more fired up than usual for this training camp.

“I’m pretty much the same. I’ve been the same way for a long time,” Brady said.

The Patriots hope they’ll still have the same Tom Brady this year. Starting in Week Five.

519 responses to “Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from Deflategate

  1. Looking forward to Roger Goodell handing the Lombardi to TB and maybe we’ll get to watch Gronk throw Goodell “out of the club”

    I despise Roger Goodell I can only imagine how Tom Brady feels about the dictator.

  2. Can’t wait to see how the TB12 haters spin this interview. It’s going to be pretty interesting to see how he comes back from this in Week 5.

  3. Look at how much effort Brady puts into throwing the football 10 yards. The end can’t be very far.

  4. 25-of-25 passing with two TDs in the intrasquad scrimmage while yelling and being crazy competitive the whole time. If you don’t get why Brady is considered one of the all-time greats, stuff like this is why.

  5. reality is that NFL fans are to the point that they are never going to move on from all the underhanded stuff during the Brady / Belichick era

    asterisk

  6. I hope so, I don’t care if he was guilty of something or completely innocent, I’m just tired of hearing about it.

    Besides, Jimmy G isn’t a slouch. The first game at AZ seems to be their toughest in the first 4.
    So they should be at 3-1 at the worst when TB comes back.

  7. MattyD says:
    Aug 5, 2016 11:45 AM
    25-of-25 passing with two TDs in the intrasquad scrimmage while yelling and being crazy competitive the whole time. If you don’t get why Brady is considered one of the all-time greats, stuff like this is why.

    LOL I can be 100% rate in practice as well. Nice try on your logic.

    Pats fan logic = I am right about everything and everyone else is WRONG!!!!!

  8. He needs to spend time building a trophy case for his ASTERISK’d rings * * * *

    FOUR ASTERISKS and COUNTING! Will he ever win a legitimate championship? So far, no.

  9. 21! 21, more than reputable physicists, engineers, chemists, etc. have put their career reputations on the line for a scientific paper of fact proving that “there was zero artificial deflation”

    0! Zero reputable people have come forward in any way shape or form to even slightly show the opposite!

    If there was no crime, then it doesn’t matter what was done in the bathroom. It doesn’t matter what nickname you have. and it doesn’t matter what happens to your cell phones.

    Period!

    Unfortunately, it does matter who has the power and chooses to railroad, arguably the most prominent star of your league, in an effort to “balance the power of success”

    If you have the ability to momentarily realize this, you’d see the absolute travesty of this NFL scam!

  10. Cheat, cheat, cheat, cheat. Why destroy the cell phone if you’re innocent? Ahaha. Joke of a franchise!

    I wouldn’t hand over my personal phone to an organization that had already shown its willingness to leak false information about my team to the media either. They had all the information pertinent to the investigation so the phone was irrelevant.

  11. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Aug 5, 2016 11:34 AM

    Cheat, cheat, cheat, cheat. Why destroy the cell phone if you’re innocent? Ahaha. Joke of a franchise!

    —————

    If you saw what a forensic recovery expert can pull from your own cell phone, I think you would destroy when you switched phones too.

  12. The bottom line for the haters stems from jealousy.
    Some can’t see the facts, just look at the surface and drink the NFL’s office kool-aid.
    At the end of the day, Brady will go down as the top QB that has ever played the game.
    First ballot hall of a fame and these keyboard warriors will be shorting out their systems with their tears.

  13. He’s trying to move on to the next way of cheating to continue tarnishing his ill-gotten ‘legacy’.

  14. I love how much time the TB12 haters spend trolling the Pats. I guess it is more satisfying for you to try and take down consistent winners than to talk about your own teams.

    There will be a nationwide suicide watch in February if Brady gets his 5th ring. This early season break will ensure that he is nice and fresh.

  15. Absolutely he’s one of the GOATS. The problem some of us have is when some fans claim it’s already been decided and any arguing against is by people who are trolls or who are jealous.

    “One of the GOATS. Cue: TROLLS in 3, 2, 1…”

  16. I’m not sure how he is moving on when he authorized the NFLPA to continue fighting the verdict.

    He is only accepting punishment now so that it doesn’t come at a more inconvenient time for him later.

  17. And Move on you shall Champ!!!

    I love how the rest of the NFL is cowering in fear of your return.

    All 32 teams want a crack at the Patriots in weeks 1-4, a testament to your Greatness!

    Not to mention being favored (yet again) to Win Your 5th!

    I am so proud to be A Patriot!

  18. Brady doesn’t realize that his antics guaranteed that deflategate will always be attracted to his name. Most people won’t remember him for what he did on the field, they will remember the cheating scandals that hover over his career and wonder how legitimate any of his *titles are.

  19. jchipwood says:
    Aug 5, 2016 11:46 AM

    The Dolphins hope to see the same Brady in Miami they’ve seen the last 3 years too!!

    —————

    Splitting with the Dolphins and/or Jets and beating the Bills twice is the bread and butter of how to win the division.

    It’s expected to lose one or two division games. No big deal.

  20. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Aug 5, 2016 11:35 AM

    St. Louis Rams, Seattle Seahawks, Philadelphia Eagles and Carolina Panthers should be proclaimed super bowl champions as New Cheatland have not have a real win since 2001.
    ~~~~~
    Are you the pope?

  21. “You tell them Tom Brady’s coming and Hell is coming with him you hear?Hell’s coming with him!”

  22. Of course he is motivated from this but all the pats haters out their can take him at his word on this one. Good luck, let me know how that works out for your team when they think it’s the same old Brady.

  23. Sounds good to me CHAMP. Rest up and see you soon.

    And rest up that thumb for sure. There will be a ring on it very soon. 🙂

  24. It’s time to destroy your cell again, ballhandkers need new gear as well, let’s get to work.

  25. I love all the jealous little loser fans of loser teams hating away on Brady

    he’s the greatest QB of all time

    There are no asterisks

    thank you for your endless expression of anger…..it really is cute

  26. I’m sure he wants to move on. He got caught cheating. He got other people involved. He destroyed evidence by wrecking his phone. His legacy is forever tarnished. You can’t make up for the incredible arrogance on his part and the part of the owner. It’s disgusting. You have to wonder what he else he was never caught doing.

  27. I’m just deflated from it all.

    I’m out of gas.

    I’ve become asthmatic from all of this.

    Hasn’t this just all been a bunch of hot air anyhow?

    Signed, T. Brady

  28. To all the trolls – it’s time to be honest about the reasons that you have so much hate for TB12, here are the top 10:

    1. Brady is a pro athlete who has made millions
    2. Brady has 4 SB rings, and 3 SB MVPs
    3. Brady has more playoff wins than any other QB
    4. Brady’s stats across the board are near the top
    5. Brady’s is the ultimate teammate and leader
    6. Brady isn’t your QB and beats your teams
    7. Brady plays for the coach and team that you hate
    8. Brady is 39, yet hasn’t lost a step
    9. Brady is better looking than you
    10. Brady is married to a supermodel who earns more than he does

    Bottom line – Brady is everything that you are not

  29. Tom Brady with full inflated footballs: an excellent season in 2015. Oh and the Patriots led the league again in fewest fumbles… so much for that theory 🙂

    On the other hand there’s Andrew Luck and the Colts… along with the Ravens…not so good last year.

    #Hmmm
    #Interesting

  30. Talk about hubris..Superpatriotfan could be perfect in practice. I honestly think he could not complete 1 out of 25 and we talkin bout practice..not 1!

  31. John Harbaugh Is A Sad Whiney Middle Aged Woman says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:07 PM
    He’s trying to move on to the next way of cheating to continue tarnishing his ill-gotten ‘legacy’
    ______________________________
    I love it when Tom “Terrific” Brady haters start “plea bargaining”……just realize the greatness

  32. Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from the tuck rule.

    Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from Pass Interference gate.

    Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from spygate.

    Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from substitutiongate.

    Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from headsetgate..

    Notice a trend, anyone?

  33. John Harbaugh Is A Sad Whiney Middle Aged Woman says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:01 PM

    He needs to spend time building a trophy case for his ASTERISK’d rings * * * *

    FOUR ASTERISKS and COUNTING! Will he ever win a legitimate championship? So far, no.

    ————————————————-
    Perhaps you can explain in detail why there should be 4 Asterisks. Go ahead explain why each * should be applied to the 4 Superbowl wins. Provide Proof, to include links to your sources. Jealousy is not a valid reason for an asterisk by the way.

  34. Tee hee 🙂 LOL @ Patriot Hater patting themselves on the back. It’s clear they are desperate to think the noise they make on this board means anything to the most superior fanbase in the NFL… the latter of course proven with a recent study. 🙂

    Just..epic! 🙂

    #WeAreLaughingAtU
    #UrNOTHINGBoy
    #BOWToUS
    #BOWToTomBrady
    #BOWToThe4TimeWorldChampions

  35. Brady > Your QB
    Patriots > Your Team

    Facts are facts and truth is truth Patriot Hater. There really is no point getting mad at facts and truth. It really is an exercise in futility.

    Cheers!

    🙂

  36. Oh you poor things. You poor losers who wish year in and year out that your team could be like NE. You wish so hard that your coach could be like BB but to no avail, you just lose. Lose, lose, lose and you ask why? Why? because the Patriots work harder than your loser team. The Patriots have a smarter coach than that joke you have. The patriots have a better owner than that “wanna be” who thinks he knows how to run a team that you have. And your response to this? You make the same old comments because that’s all you have. So go on, type away as your mother makes your lunch. We’ll be just fine up here knowing YOUR team will be doing what is does best…..Losing.

    XOXOXO,
    Patriots fans.

  37. dcpatfan says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:17 PM

    I am so proud to be A Patriot!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    That’s awesome. I would be too. What’s your role with the team exactly?

    Oh, you meant a Patriots fan…. Got it.

  38. He’ll handle it by cheating the old men in the boston common playing chess. Has to get his Jones someplace

  39. I for one, hope the Pats go 4-0 without him. Tom Brady is a good qb. Intense. Very competetive, even kind of a bully. But he has been the beneficiary of Belichick’s brilliance (along with some shady such and such from time to time). Brady has been with one team, one system, one coach his entire career. When Brady went down in 2008, Belichick took the team to 11-5 with a qb who threw 39 career nfl passes after throwing 33 career college passes.

    If you put Tom Brady on another team, what would be the results? Would it be like Brett Farve, immediately elevating an awful team to the verge of the playoffs and a third to the verge of the Super Bowl? Or like Kurt Warner who dominated with one team then struggled with another, then became the first qb to take two teams to the Super Bowl? Or like Peyton Manning, who dominated with one team, sat out a year and watched them plummet to 2-14, then went to another team and immediately elevated a mediocre team to 50 wins in 4 years, single season records and became first qb to take two teams to two Super Bowls and first to win a Super Bowl with two teams?

    Or would he be like so many qb who were great with one team but mediocre anywhere else but their perfect situation? Even Joe Montana, who many call the greatest, did nothing special when he went to KC. I doubt that Tom Brady’ dink and dunk, scream at teammates, cry to officials every time he gets touched or a pass falls incomplete, antics would translate to success snywhere outside New England. Unfortunately we’ll probably never know. Belichick and Brady are joined st the hip and will likely retire together. So the debate will continue forever.

  40. Gee, who to listen to — the haters more emotionally invested in Tom Brady than in their own teams, or the framed “On to Immortality” SB cover photo on my wall. Tough call.

  41. Only if based on team accomplishments. Rodgers and Marino were more talented, Montana was better in the Super Bowls, Manning was more influential, Favre was tougher…

    “At the end of the day, Brady will go down as the top QB that has ever played the game.”

  42. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Aug 5, 2016 11:35 AM

    St. Louis Rams, Seattle Seahawks, Philadelphia Eagles and Carolina Panthers should be proclaimed super bowl champions as New Cheatland have not have a real win since 2001.

    —-
    R. Wilson pass short right to R. Lockette INTERCEPTED by M. Butler

    OUCH!

    What a punch to the gut that must have been for those 4 years running Seahags fans. 🙂

    Oh yeah – since each and every one of you weren’t following football before 2012 just so you know that is the Seahawks second Super Bowl loss. Glad I could inform and educate. 🙂

  43. I love it!!!
    The FEAR from all those pathetic franchise fans is just gushing out… As it should be because a ticked off Brady is NOTHING the entire league needs or wanted to see come their way…..
    Wouldn’t surprise me of Brady leads the league on TD passes even after sitting the 1st 4 games…..
    You created this ROGER/
    OWNERS…. Now you get to deal with it!!!!
    Be AFRAID…. Be VERY afraid!!!!

  44. Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from the tuck rule.


    I hope he never moves on from the tuck rule. 🙂

    He knows he fumbled there and I couldn’t be happier that it was. After the ref stole a likely Super Bowl from the Patriots 25 years earlier and gave it to the Raiders this was the only suitable payback.

    The Raiders have never been the same since. 🙂

  45. To all the Fan Boy Goodell Haters:

    Get your facts straight. Spygate was about the filming of meeting rooms in the visitors facilities and the hotel rooms of visiting teams. No fewer than 9 visiting teams (Bengals, Jets, Giants, Steelers, Rams, Bears, Jaguars, Cardinals and Raiders) had found various audio and video devices hidden and active in their meeting spaces, locker rooms, hotel rooms and at least one time, the team bus.

    Patriots spied and lied and tricked and cheated at every opportunity, and if it had been 10 years later it would have all been leaked so easily, but with Goodell’s help they cover Spygate up, and we never saw it on youtube or wikileaks or TMZ. He destroyed the tapes before the NFL requested them.

    Then an associate of Bill Belichek’s longtime assistant and friend got busted trying to buy a playbook from a former player on a division rival, but again, Goodell to the rescue, and the whole thing goes away, probably because the guy they busted was a former marine turned firefighter and the NFL would look bad hammering him to bring down Belichek.

    Up til then, it seemed at least that it was only Bellichek who was a scheming underhanded cheater, but then the league caught wind of a conspiracy to doctor game balls, headed not by Bellichek but by Tom “Our Precious” Brady, and Goodell could no longer shield the Patriots from the wrath of 31 owners who were sick and tired of being continually cheated by one of their business partners. He tried to negotiate a win-win but Brady’s arrogance would not allow him to compromise for the benefit of all involved, and thus subjected the league and the country to 18 months of drama and noise.

    The funny part is that Goodell is one of the people Patriots blame for everything, when he was actually their greatest ally.

    Patriots have been proven to be systematic, habitual, premeditated, unflinching cheaters, going back to the earliest days of Bunko Bill Belichek’s tenure there. And despite all the whining crying screaming stomping breath-holding pants-peeing tantrums thrown by Patriots fans, Tom Brady will will never shed the taint that has washed over him and he will go down not as the Greatest of all Time but as just another cheater to get shamed in front of the world. He can retire to Cheat Island with Lance Armstrong, Pete Rose and Barry Bonds, three other jerks who achieved more in their sports than Brady did in his.

    Tommy, you made your bed, now you get to sleep in it.

  46. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    Aug 5, 2016 11:43 AM
    Look at how much effort Brady puts into throwing the football 10 yards. The end can’t be very far.

    ——————————————————————

    Brady’s career average passing yards per attempt is 7.5. Joe Montana is 7.4. Brady is #32 out of 181 QB’s in this stat (for the simpletons that means #33-181 shorter yards per attempt. Montana is #26.

    So much for the “only throws short passes” narrative.

  47. Favre was tougher…


    “Who is the toughest quarterback I have ever faced? Brady. We kept hitting him again and again and couldn’t believe he kept getting back up.”
    — Justin Tuck

    Michael Bennett will tell you the same thing. So will Ray Lewis.

    Those guys opinions count for something. 🙂

    Favre was tough even though I didn’t care for his theatrics….but Brady’s toughness is extremely underrated.

  48. When your team stinks, you troll good teams and players,
    that’s what you do.

    What we have learned is that there are many trolls who long for a whiff of what Pats fans have enjoyed for 20 years, winning! We’ve also learned that most of these folks are bandwagons trolls who are uneducated in the history of the NFL. All they know is losing to NE.

  49. You none PATS fans are ridiculous let’s say for the sake of agurment he did deflate footballs is obvious they he played last season there was no advantage and as for spygate atleast 5 different coaches admitted they did the same thing so no advantage there either and please stop with he’s a system QB if that was true don’t you think more teams will run that system and for those that say all he does is dink and dunk why can’t it be stopped and he always in the top 5 for yards and touchdowns

  50. The trolls are just SO pathetic in their lies, misrepresentations and just plain idiocy. That’s why so many post multiple times on every Patriots related post. That’s why they bring up the SAME sorry examples.

    Why did Brady get rid of his cell phone, is because most celebrities change their cell phones on a regular basis, and he did it AFTER Welles had told him specifically that he DIDN’T need it. He had all the info he needed from the phone. THAT my idiot friends is on the record that you so often disregard.

    Brady got screwed and so did the Pats. Why? Because there are a lot of owners who can’t explain why THEIR teams can’t come close to duplicating what the Pats have accomplished since 2001. It’s just so much easier for those owners and some of their fans to explain it all away by calling cheater. They don’t want to admit that the Pats are consistently better coached, better managed, and better owned than your team, and have been for the last 16 seasons.

    So instead of digging deep and trying to compete harder, they take the easy way out and try to undermine the Pats by taking away their best player and 2 high draft picks.

    What is hilarious that it all might backfire if Garapolo does well and the Pats end up with a top 10 draft pick, ANOTHER final 4 finish, AND $62MM in cap space next season.

  51. goodellMustGo says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:37 PM

    Brady > Your QB
    Patriots > Your Team

    Facts are facts and truth is truth Patriot Hater. There really is no point getting mad at facts and truth. It really is an exercise in futility.

    Cheers!
    🙂
    _____________________________________
    Bronco fan here. I can’t stop laughing at your post!

  52. Michael Jordan has accomplished more than Brady and he’s a bit cuter than me too…but people always wanted to “Be like Mike” People have to stop thinking all this hatred against Brady is because of jealously. Lots of successful athletes on Brady’s level…Muhammad Ali, Michael Phelps, Bart Starr, Kareem Abdul Jarbar, Magic Johnson, Wayne Gretzky…etc..None of them are hated like Brady is.

    “To all the trolls – it’s time to be honest about the reasons that you have so much hate for TB12, here are the top 10:

    1. Brady is a pro athlete who has made millions
    2. Brady has 4 SB rings, and 3 SB MVPs
    3. Brady has more playoff wins than any other QB
    4. Brady’s stats across the board are near the top
    5. Brady’s is the ultimate teammate and leader
    6. Brady isn’t your QB and beats your teams
    7. Brady plays for the coach and team that you hate
    8. Brady is 39, yet hasn’t lost a step
    9. Brady is better looking than you
    10. Brady is married to a supermodel who earns more than he does

    Bottom line – Brady is everything that you are not”

  53. Or like Peyton Manning, who dominated with one team, sat out a year and watched them plummet to 2-14,

    Not hard to do when your quarterbacks are a washed up Kerry Collins, Dan Orlovsky and Curtis Painter.

    Peyton lost to Mark Sanchez in 2010 and if he stuck around that Colts team for 2011 I doubt he wins more than 8 games. They were bad. Guess we’ll never know for sure though.

  54. He had another Hall of Fame year,again, last year. So how did he cheat then? I’m not a Pats fan, but the guy is amazing!

  55. So for months, it’s been “Tammy needs to man up and accept his punishment and move on…”

    Ok, so he did it. That’s his end of the deal. Now comes Roger and the owners that supported this travesty’s end of the deal. Start polishing that trophy, Roger. This one is gonna be the sweetest one yet!

  56. Can’t believe some still talk about that cellphone and think him not handing it over is relevant.

    *I’m far from a Patriot’s fan

    ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Aug 5, 2016 11:34 AM
    Cheat, cheat, cheat, cheat. Why destroy the cell phone if you’re innocent? Ahaha. Joke of a franchise!

  57. Too bad the haters will never move on. They’re still crying about the tuck rule, for crying out loud.

  58. Given how friggin old he is, it’d probably make sense for the Patriots to move on from Deflategate by cutting the whiny baby cheater Brady. It’s Garoppolo Time!

  59. I_Just_Like_Typing_Comments_That_Wont_Get_Published says:
    It will be nice when the day comes that he can give us his side of things.

    —-Yeah, can’t wait. Because we definitely have’t heard enough on this subject already. Maybe he’ll write a book!

  60. jchipwood says:
    Aug 5, 2016 11:46 AM

    The Dolphins hope to see the same Brady in Miami they’ve seen the last 3 years too!!
    ——————–

    What does it even matter, Jim? It’s not like the Dolphins gain any advantage from beating the Patriots once in a while.

    You need to focus on the other 14 games on the schedule, and hope they win more than 3 or 4 of them.

  61. fritz96 says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:56 PM
    Lots of successful athletes on Brady’s level…Muhammad Ali, Michael Phelps, Bart Starr, Kareem Abdul Jarbar, Magic Johnson, Wayne Gretzky…etc..None of them are hated like Brady is.
    _______________________
    I get your point, but this is a whole different era – especially with social media. I’d compare this more to someone like Lebron who gets much more hate than Jordan and Kareem combined back in their day.

    And I am guessing that the hatred is really less about Brady and more about the Patriots, Belichick, and the region given all the recent success. But if you disagree with my list, what is your theory?

  62. remembertheagenda says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:32 PM
    Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from the tuck rule.

    Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from Pass Interference gate.

    Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from spygate.

    Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from substitutiongate.

    Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from headsetgate..

    Notice a trend, anyone?

    =============================

    Yes, Tom Brady can move on from all this noise. You my friend, apparently, can not.

  63. Shady has been lying so often and so much that I think he believes them himself. As Costanza said, “Just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it.”

  64. I want the Hate Brigade to come out RIGHT NOW and tell us what your excuse will be in February when this guy has another Lombardi and Super Bowl MVP. ZERO percent chance any of you would just tip your cap to the greatest champion this game has ever seen. So let’s just lay it out now, don’t leave us in suspense…

  65. What’s funny is Pats “Fans” aka since 2001, 2002, 2004 and 2015 (notice that trend?) are ready to jump the ship when they lose a couple of games and will jump right back on, see two years ago week 4.

  66. goodellMustGo says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:58 PM
    Or like Peyton Manning, who dominated with one team, sat out a year and watched them plummet to 2-14,

    Not hard to do when your quarterbacks are a washed up Kerry Collins, Dan Orlovsky and Curtis Painter.

    Peyton lost to Mark Sanchez in 2010 and if he stuck around that Colts team for 2011 I doubt he wins more than 8 games. They were bad. Guess we’ll never know for sure though.

    Tammy lost to Mark Sanchez in the playoffs! At Home!!

    #SkewedPatsfanlogic

  67. Birdgang says:

    Take this one to the bank, folks, you heard it here first:
    Cardinals 84, Patsies 6

    ___________________________________

    Still don’t get this logic. Brady sits and the DEFENSE gets crushed? You don’t think the Pats’ D is just going to lay down for these 4 games just because Brady is benched, do you?

  68. Tom Brady likes Donald Trump because they have a similar view on competition: they both would prefer to win dishonorably than lose honorably. And looking at posts here and other sites I expect that is the philosophy of many in Massachusetts .

  69. goodellMustGo says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:53 PM
    Favre was tougher…


    “Who is the toughest quarterback I have ever faced? Brady. We kept hitting him again and again and couldn’t believe he kept getting back up.”
    — Justin Tuck

    Michael Bennett will tell you the same thing. So will Ray Lewis.

    Those guys opinions count for something.:)

    Favre was tough even though I didn’t care for his theatrics….but Brady’s toughness is extremely underrated.


    Hard to look tough with crocs & no pants

  70. justbegbaby says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:55 PM
    goodellMustGo says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:37 PM

    Brady > Your QB
    Patriots > Your Team

    Facts are facts and truth is truth Patriot Hater. There really is no point getting mad at facts and truth. It really is an exercise in futility.

    Cheers!:)
    _____________________________________
    Bronco fan here. I can’t stop laughing at your post!

    ———–
    Why….because your team has won the same number of SBs this millennium as Tampa Bay?

    Come back when your team has really accomplished something..

  71. I want the Hate Brigade to come out RIGHT NOW and tell us what your excuse will be in February when this guy has another Lombardi and Super Bowl MVP. ZERO percent chance any of you would just tip your cap to the greatest champion this game has ever seen. So let’s just lay it out now, don’t leave us in suspense…

    ==============================

    I would never tip my cap to a liar and cheater.

    Quit denying the truth. It’s been proven. Brady and Belichick are cheaters.

    >

  72. Such a waste for something so minor. This topic….spent! I’ve said a million times they should investigate Indy’s defense that day cuz they made Blount look like Jim Brown. Brady did nothing. Don’t hate the guy nor a huge fan.
    It’s about as bad as when teams would leave the grass long when strong passing team would show up.

    Personal on both sides. Don’t challange Goodall
    That’s all this was. Battle of egos

  73. Being a Patricheat fan must be unbelievably troubling to the ‘normal’ person. Having to make that choice to continue to support the NFL team you & your families grew up in the shadow of thier stadium & loving those Red, White & Blue colors that carry signifance away from the game. All those years being brainwashed by the media that they were doing well when in fact they were lying & cheating with every opportunity they could muster. After spending thousands upon thousands of dollars in events & merchandise to demonstrate your support to the world. Or, to head that little ‘conscience’ guy on your shoulder who keeps whispering in your ear that what that team does & what they now represent is SO against your fundamental ethical codes of being honest & fair is the core fundamental value of being a ‘good’ person.

    Difficult position for sure…

    It’s obviously easier to bury your minds in denial & march forward hoping for it all to eventually go away. But it won’t, not for a long, long, long time. Belicheat & Bradycheat together have solidified in the long lasting memories of millions a complete ara of football that now defines the Patricheats as lower than the Raiders of the 70’s & 80’s. Look how long they have worked to change that perception…and they are still nowhere near. That is the face of the Patricheats going forward.

    Make your choice & live with it…

  74. Here is how I stand on this situation.

    It is proven by science that air pressure, without a doubt, impacts the psi of a football. It is indisputable.

    But here is where it gets hilarious. You cant have it both ways. You cant acknowledge science AND say Brady cheated. It has to be one versus the other. So it is like people saying the world is flat. We all know the world is not flat, it was scientifically proven, just as weather has been scientifically proven to impact psi. The people calling him a cheater must think the world is flat because they don’t believe the scientists. that’s really what it boils down to.

  75. luckyforus says:
    I would never tip my cap to a liar and cheater.

    Quit denying the truth. It’s been proven. Brady and Belichick are cheaters.
    —————————————————————

    Again, another one of these people. You have PROOF that Brady tampered with footballs and yet you never came forward?!?! Isn’t that obstruction of justice?

    Remember, the NFL themselves, under oath said twice that there was no evidence anyone tampered with footballs. Remember, the Well$ report was shown to be doctored by the NFL with lies to prop up Goodell. Remember, it was later acknowledged that the 11 out of 12 balls…2psi below, blah blah was false. Instead it was shown that it only 0.2 psi difference.

    But you have evidence! Why didn’t you come forward as the NFL’s star witness!! Can you imagine how much Goodell would have paid you for that info?!?! You missed your boat!

  76. Personally I think it’s outrageous that Tom Brady, the greatest QB who ever lived, has to stoop beneath his dignity and his level to compete with such wussy teams in this league.

    I am embarrassed for the guy that he has to subject himself to that. We all know weaklings belong stuffed in the locker at school and not in pro football.

    It’s long past time to fold them all and give a REAL MAN’s team or two a shot at the king. Brady himself would appreciate the competition and so would I.

    GET OUT OF OUR LEAGUE.

  77. luckyforus says:
    Aug 5, 2016 1:35 PM
    I want the Hate Brigade to come out RIGHT NOW and tell us what your excuse will be in February when this guy has another Lombardi and Super Bowl MVP. ZERO percent chance any of you would just tip your cap to the greatest champion this game has ever seen. So let’s just lay it out now, don’t leave us in suspense…

    ==============================

    I would never tip my cap to a liar and cheater.

    Quit denying the truth. It’s been proven. Brady and Belichick are cheaters.

    The ONLY thing that has been PROVEN is that Goodell can do whatever he wants. The is not now nor has there ever been any proof of tampering. How do I know this? The NFL admitted this in open court.

    The court hearings were never about PSI, only CBA.

    You are now free to tip your cap.

  78. jeremy2020 says:
    Aug 5, 2016 1:39 PM

    Now let’s remove the tainted rings off his fingers
    ___________________________________

    Nope! Don’t want to play Troll make believe…

    Here in reality, no mention of “tainted” “*” or “cheat” in any official NFL record book.

    Only the whimpers of Roger’s poor duped Trolls…

    Make sure to tune in to see the Patriots and TB12 execute another deep playoff run this season…You know, the games that really matter…

    Trolls Lose Again!

  79. unclebluck says:
    Aug 5, 2016 11:48 AM

    A truly innocent Man would have never given up the fight….Cheater!

    _______________________________________________________________

    This is legitimately one of the stupidest arguments I’ve ever seen. You people kill him for not “accepting the punishment” for something he didn’t do, and then when he backs down and has no choice but to accept it because the process had been stacked against him you kill him for “being a cheater because he didn’t keep fighting”. You’re just as bad as the idiots on NFL Network who said he should stop fighting because the country had bigger issues to worry about. I can’t wait until he’s back on the field destroying everything in his path. I hope Goodell screws your team over in the same way he has the Patriots and all us Patriots fans will be here to laugh in your faces. Just wait; it’s coming.

  80. Trial of the Black Sox in 1919 found them all innocent of fixing the World Series, amid charges of trial tampering.
    Despite being found innocent, new commissioner Judge Landis banned them all. Innocent, mind you, but banned for life.
    Fast forward at least three generations. NFL qb not proven to have committed any crime whatsoever. His only problem is social media that THINKS he must have done something.
    Acting on no proven facts, his league commissioner suspends him four games.
    Anyone else see a problem here? Goodell may not have liked the story, the ALLEGATIONS, but nothing was proved. Yet, he proceeded anyway. That was and is just wrong.

  81. remembertheagenda says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:32 PM
    Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from the tuck rule.

    Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from Pass Interference gate.

    Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from spygate.

    Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from substitutiongate.

    Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from headsetgate..

    Notice a trend, anyone?
    —————————–

    Yep. There’s a lot of jealous losers out there that can’t accept that their team is just not as good as the Patriots.

  82. Years ago I read the results of a poll was taken asking individuals to create a list of their 10 favorite and most disliked teams. Now this was a while ago so I am not saying this would be current but oddly enough when all was said and done 3 teams were on both lists. The 3 were the Yankees. the Celtics, and Notre Dame. Examine that for a moment. 3 Teams that a significant number of people both love and hate.
    The haters on here have to come to grips with something, showing your hatred so vehemently is really a form of flattery, and it is supported by Michael Strahan (who all you haters have to admit knows infinitely more about the NFL, and professional sports than you do……….)”People love to boo Brady but secretly wish they had him as their QB! If people are hating you for success then you’re doing something right!”

  83. Brady was not suspended for cheating.

    He was suspended because the NFL eagerly jumped the gun into thinking that a lower PSI always means manual deflation occurred which as we all know by now – and so do they – is not the case. 🙂

    #KnowYourFacts
    #AnythingElseIsTrash

  84. It’s a shame when anyone is diagnosed with cancer and I hope Mort pulls through. What I don’t get is why a formerly respected journalist would flat out lie and/or cover for liars to finish his career.

    THAT’S a sad legacy. Man up Mort, time to come clean. Did you really want this to be your swan song?

    You have my sympathy for your condition but you have my disdain for the lives you’re ruined with your lack of journalistic integrity, to say nothing of the millions wasted because of your indifference to the truth.

  85. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Aug 5, 2016 11:34 AM

    Cheat, cheat, cheat, cheat. Why destroy the cell phone if you’re innocent? Ahaha. Joke of a franchise!

    —————————————————————-

    The question you should be asking is — why is the NFL keeping the PSI information secret that was collected during the 2015 season if Brady is actually guilty?

    Ahaha. the NFL is a Joke and so are all the 31 teams that went along with the farce!

  86. eagleswin says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:15 PM
    I’m not sure how he is moving on when he authorized the NFLPA to continue fighting the verdict. He is only accepting punishment now so that it doesn’t come at a more inconvenient time for him later.
    ————-
    Not quite, he decided that continuing the fight from here onwards could now hurt the team’s chances later in the season, so he folded for their sake rather than “selfishly” continue to try to clear his name. And he isn’t fighting on but merely giving his blessing to the NFLPA to use what they consider to be an unfair example in their on-going fight with the league over interpretation of the CBA’s rights and remits. But most haters only see what they want to reinterpret for their own childish ends.

  87. Ever notice how patriot fans call everybody a troll that won’t give Brady praise and act like he is the greatest all time?
    First of all, there is no way to ever call anyone the greatest of all time without having them all on the same playing field. The game has changed so much there is no science you can pull out of your hat to make these comparisons.
    Back to my point, what if it came out that Brady did have something to do with the deflation of the balls? There are only a few who know the real truth, and my guess is it will never be us. Are all the people calling him a cheater still trolls then? What is your def of a troll, someone spewing stuff you don’t want or like to hear? If that’s the case everyone is a troll in one way or another then. And this science crisp joy keep referring to, if the balls were deflated before the game, then exposed to the cold, would they deflate even more than they were deflated to or would they have already be bottomed out? I’m not a scientist but I’m sure most on here are not either. So until you can say 100% that he did nothing wrong, you may just be the real troll in all this.

  88. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Aug 5, 2016 11:34 AM
    Cheat, cheat, cheat, cheat. Why destroy the cell phone if you’re innocent? Ahaha. Joke of a franchise!

    —-

    Still going to daily confession I see

  89. The question you should be asking is — why is the NFL keeping the PSI information secret that was collected during the 2015 season if Brady is actually guilty?


    Oh yes…anyone with a brain and not in denial knows exactly why the NFL didn’t release the measurements.

  90. I’ve been thinking of writing a script for a deflategate parody move.

    I’ll try to get Brady to play himself, but I’m looking for suggestions for actors to play some of the other main characters.

    By the way….the league’s slogan will be: May The Farce Be With You

  91. Hey clown, he was suspended for cheating because the NFL thought his was involved in the manual deflation…I accept that the atmosphere can make a ball deflate, BUT that doesn’t mean the Patriots didn’t do it themselves!! Remember, “Tom’s gonna be mad”, lol.
    —————————————————————
    Brady was not suspended for cheating.

    He was suspended because the NFL eagerly jumped the gun into thinking that a lower PSI always means manual deflation occurred which as we all know by now – and so do they – is not the case.:)

    #KnowYourFacts
    #AnythingElseIsTrash

  92. factpurveyor says:
    Aug 5, 2016 2:34 PM
    ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Aug 5, 2016 11:34 AM

    Cheat, cheat, cheat, cheat. Why destroy the cell phone if you’re innocent? Ahaha. Joke of a franchise!

    —————————————————————-

    The question you should be asking is — why is the NFL keeping the PSI information secret that was collected during the 2015 season if Brady is actually guilty?

    Yeah, you’re never going to see those number because they would prove Framegate. Frankly, I don’t believe they ever recorded any PSI since they know that would be evidence against the NFL. There’s no upside for the league to tell the truth at this point.

    You know, like the truth roger told about the Ray Rice video. Hey, at least he learned from his past episodes of lying. He’s much better at it now.

    I just can’t fathom why anyone would hitch their wagon to the only person in this disgusting little drama who has been proven to be a liar.

    Conviction by lies & innuendo.

  93. Tom is The Man. It reached a point where it became too risky for the team as a whole for him to carry on the fight. The safest thing to do was get this out of the way as fast as possible, assess where they are at that point, and fight for the conference #1 seed from there. It sucks for Tom, but is likely what is best for EVERYONE ELSE. It would be wonderful to see the season end in a Super Bowl MVP and Lombardi, but the odds, and the league’s employees, will be against it. Between Garrapolo playing the first 4 games, and Brady needing a few games under his belt to shake off the rust, it’s possible they will be a .500 team at mid season, struggling for a wild card, and have to face going on the road for the playoffs. As it is, Tom will be playing 7 of his 12 games on the road. Maybe it’s too long of a climb. Maybe he’s too old. Maybe it’s all just too much on the human psyche. Maybe it’s just not possible. Maybe…..not.

    Tom is The Man. His story, and that of his 2016 Teammates, is not written yet.

  94. Funny that the lame postings from
    jchipwood
    superpatriotsfan
    2016StockMarketCrash
    all show up at once. Most will believe that its the same Brady obsessed dolphin fan that is mad because the dolphins haven’t won since 1974.

  95. First of all, there is no way to ever call anyone the greatest of all time without having them all on the same playing field


    Sure there is. 🙂 It’s called wins and rings.

    Brady is the winningest postseason QB in history, soon to be the winningest QB in history overall and after this year will have 5 rings. Where is the argument?

    🙂

  96. Brady will take this taint to the grave as earned. Cheating is frowned upon.

    Also, learn some other word than “hater” sheeple. Baaaa

  97. turtlehut says:
    Aug 5, 2016 1:28 PM

    Tom Brady likes Donald Trump because they have a similar view on competition: they both would prefer to win dishonorably than lose honorably. And looking at posts here and other sites I expect that is the philosophy of many in Massachusetts .
    ——————-

    So, basically you are admitting that you are an imbecile? Got it.

  98. remembertheagenda says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:32 PM

    Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from the tuck rule.

    ——————————————————————

    It’s time to stop with that tuck rule nonsense!
    First of all the Tuck Rule was already a rule in the NFL rule book so the fact that the referees called it according to the rule book was what it was their jobs to do.

    If you look for a video online titled “THE TUCK RULE – 10 YEAR ANNIVERSARY” you can see #21 Eric Allen Raiders cornerback standing on the Patriots sideline as the Patriots are talking about the play the Patriots are going to run.
    In the video Eric Allen also admits that the told the Raiders that information and the Raiders put a defense in to specifically cover the player that Tom Brady was going to pass to. That is why Tom Brady had to tuck the football in the first place.

    So if the Raiders did not steal the play call with that sleazy tactic, then the tuck rule play never happens and Tom Brady likely completes a pass to win the game. Tom Brady obviously had the skill to do it.

    So the tuck rule was immediate karma for Raiders cornerback Eric Allen stealing the play call for the very play that would become known as the “tuck rule play”.

  99. superpatriotsfan says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:03 PM
    Cue the Pats fans thinking they are better than anyone 3….2….1..

    It’s so cute how small they are up in NE.

    ————————–

    LOL, no we are better than you because we have cleaner air to breathe. oxygen levels are directly related to IQ

  100. remembertheagenda says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:32 PM

    Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from headsetgate..

    ——————————————————————-

    Except that the NFL already came out and publically stated that the NFL controls headsets during games not the home teams. And teams came out and publically stated that the headset problem was widespread and happened in many places. Some people never get corrected information when it becomes available.

  101. factpurveyor says:
    Aug 5, 2016 3:01 PM

    Funny that the lame postings from
    jchipwood
    superpatriotsfan
    2016StockMarketCrash
    all show up at once. Most will believe that its the same Brady obsessed dolphin fan that is mad because the dolphins haven’t won since 1974.
    ———————–

    beachsidejames is another of Jim’s aliases.

  102. rolf1015 says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:12 PM
    I love how much time the TB12 haters spend trolling the Pats. I guess it is more satisfying for you to try and take down consistent winners than to talk about your own teams.

    There will be a nationwide suicide watch in February if Brady gets his 5th ring. This early season break will ensure that he is nice and fresh

    ——————–

    i hope they write there good byes here so i can cheer them on

  103. remembertheagenda says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:32 PM

    Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from spygate.

    ——————————————————————

    The coach ignored a memo an positioned a camera in the wrong location during part of a game almost 10 years ago. The league destroyed the film so that no teams could ever benefit from watching it.
    It had nothing to do with Brady.
    Everyone has already moved on from it except a few crybabies that bring it up in online postings.

  104. FoozieGrooler says:
    Aug 5, 2016 2:59 PM
    Good luck with that Tammy.
    Your legacy of cheating is what will keep you out of Canton.

    And we hope to see your comment when he get’s in.

  105. vikesr4reel says:
    Aug 5, 2016 2:47 PM
    Ever notice how patriot fans call everybody a troll that won’t give Brady praise and act like he is the greatest all time?
    First of all, there is no way to ever call anyone the greatest of all time without having them all on the same playing field.

    By that logic then you can’t dub Montana, or anyone else GOAT. You can never ever compare players in any sport unless they played each other?

    Might want to rethink that POV.

  106. GronkLikePizza says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:59 PM
    Start polishing that trophy, Roger. This one is gonna be the sweetest one yet!
    __________________________
    BWHAHAHAHA!!!!
    Heard that same line last year during the “Revenge” tour.
    D’oh!

  107. crush22 says:
    Aug 5, 2016 3:21 PM
    GronkLikePizza says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:59 PM
    Start polishing that trophy, Roger. This one is gonna be the sweetest one yet!
    __________________________
    BWHAHAHAHA!!!!
    Heard that same line last year during the “Revenge” tour.
    D’oh!

    —————–

    PFFFF LOL ya and we were ONE game away from the super bowl…. you serious? like you wish your team wasn’t in that postiion… get real bud. we will be back this YEAR TOO!

  108. remembertheagenda says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:32 PM

    Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from substitutiongate.

    ————————————————————–
    Brady and the Patriots did nothing wrong. It was the coach of the Ravens that just didn’t understand the rules at the time. The Patriots substitutions were completely within the rules of the NFL.

    Quoting from an article found online:
    “It appears that Harbaugh did not understand the rules when it came to player substitutions until recently. An embarrassing thing for an NFL coach to publicly admit in his post game presser rant. In a divisional round playoff loss to the Patriots earlier this year, on several plays, his defensive players inexplicably didn’t know which of the Patriots players to cover.”

  109. vikesr4reel says:
    Aug 5, 2016 2:47 PM

    What is your def of a troll, someone spewing stuff you don’t want or like to hear?

    ———-

    no….someone that posts comments as bait….to get others to react. they are looking for attention, and often they get it.

    those people are usually ones that don’t post any supporting information and that make up their own ‘facts’ (there’s a lot that fit that category)

  110. Mo Pro Babble says:
    Aug 5, 2016 3:21 PM

    vikesr4reel says:
    Aug 5, 2016 2:47 PM
    Ever notice how patriot fans call everybody a troll that won’t give Brady praise and act like he is the greatest all time?
    First of all, there is no way to ever call anyone the greatest of all time without having them all on the same playing field.

    By that logic then you can’t dub Montana, or anyone else GOAT. You can never ever compare players in any sport unless they played each other?

    Might want to rethink that POV
    ——-

    nope. only Patriots fans call anyone the GOAT. that’s a ‘fact’

  111. vikesr4reel says:
    Aug 5, 2016 2:47 PM
    Ever notice how patriot fans call everybody a troll that won’t give Brady praise and act like he is the greatest all time?
    First of all, there is no way to ever call anyone the greatest of all time without having them all on the same playing field. The game has changed so much there is no science you can pull out of your hat to make these comparisons.
    Back to my point, what if it came out that Brady did have something to do with the deflation of the balls? There are only a few who know the real truth, and my guess is it will never be us. Are all the people calling him a cheater still trolls then? What is your def of a troll, someone spewing stuff you don’t want or like to hear? If that’s the case everyone is a troll in one way or another then. And this science crisp joy keep referring to, if the balls were deflated before the game, then exposed to the cold, would they deflate even more than they were deflated to or would they have already be bottomed out? I’m not a scientist but I’m sure most on here are not either. So until you can say 100% that he did nothing wrong, you may just be the real troll in all this.

    ————-

    are you one of those people that think the earth is flat?

  112. Poor, poor Patriot Hater. 🙂 The saying is SO true… denial really ISN’T just a river in Egypt!

    🙂

  113. Brady > your team’s QB
    Belichick > your team’s coach
    Patriots > your team
    Patriot fans > your fans

    No point denying the truth Patriot Hater. It’s a silly exercise in futility.

    #FactsAreFacts
    #TruthIsTruth
    #TruthIsFactsAndFactsIsTruth
    #TruthHurts
    #UCantHandleTheTruth

  114. remembertheagenda says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:32 PM

    Tom Brady says he’s trying to move on from the tuck rule.

    ————————————————————–
    Sorry wrong team!
    I just found the video titled “Pass Interference Gate” online and it was Seattle Seahawks Richard Sherman getting away with interference on number 11 for the LA Rams.

    You got the team wrong and you must not know that Tom Brady doesn’t ever play defense.
    Julian Edelman plays WR and has played some defense but Brady only plays QB.

  115. boytrin says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:54 PM
    You none PATS fans are ridiculous let’s say for the sake of agurment he did deflate footballs is obvious they he played last season there was no advantage and as for spygate atleast 5 different coaches admitted they did the same thing so no advantage there either and please stop with he’s a system QB if that was true don’t you think more teams will run that system and for those that say all he does is dink and dunk why can’t it be stopped and he always in the top 5 for yards and touchdowns

    —————

    shhhh haters don’t like logic

  116. skawh says:
    Aug 5, 2016 3:28 PM

    Impossible to move on from forever – As in “forever tainted.” Just sayin’

    —————————————————————
    Watch the following videos and learn something before posting more nonsense. Just sayin’

    “NY PROFESSOR ROBERT BLECKER – DEFLATEGATE | “TISSUE OF LIES”
    “TAKING THE MEASURE OF DEFLATEGATE”
    “DEFLATE GATE & WHY SCIENCE SAYS THE PATRIOTS DID NOT TAMPER WITH FOOTBALLS”.

  117. Don’t be mad Patriot Hater.

    We Patriot fans look down on you simply because we are superior in every way. Like our football team.

    It really is that simple you know.

    It’s not personal. 🙂

  118. vikesr4reel says:
    Aug 5, 2016 2:47 PM

    Ever notice how patriot fans call everybody a troll that won’t give Brady praise and act like he is the greatest all time?
    First of all, there is no way to ever call anyone the greatest of all time without having them all on the same playing field. The game has changed so much there is no science you can pull out of your hat to make these comparisons.
    Back to my point, what if it came out that Brady did have something to do with the deflation of the balls? There are only a few who know the real truth, and my guess is it will never be us. Are all the people calling him a cheater still trolls then? What is your def of a troll, someone spewing stuff you don’t want or like to hear? If that’s the case everyone is a troll in one way or another then. And this science crisp joy keep referring to, if the balls were deflated before the game, then exposed to the cold, would they deflate even more than they were deflated to or would they have already be bottomed out? I’m not a scientist but I’m sure most on here are not either. So until you can say 100% that he did nothing wrong, you may just be the real troll in all this.

    —————

    The greatest thing about this post is that you are letting the Patriots fans get to you. You seem legitimately upset. Pretty funny!

  119. factpurveyor says:
    Aug 5, 2016 3:37 PM
    skawh says:
    Aug 5, 2016 3:28 PM

    Impossible to move on from forever – As in “forever tainted.” Just sayin’

    —————————————————————
    Watch the following videos and learn something before posting more nonsense. Just sayin’

    “NY PROFESSOR ROBERT BLECKER – DEFLATEGATE | “TISSUE OF LIES”
    “TAKING THE MEASURE OF DEFLATEGATE”
    “DEFLATE GATE & WHY SCIENCE SAYS THE PATRIOTS DID NOT TAMPER WITH FOOTBALLS”.
    ———
    Actually, it’s more “nonsensical” to attempt to argue science on an investigation that is complete, AND has been adjudicated. Someone forgot to inform you TB was found guilty. Deal with it, cheating homer!

  120. hehateme2 says:
    Aug 5, 2016 3:03 PM

    Brady will take this taint to the grave as earned. Cheating is frowned upon.

    —————————————————————–
    Science proves that Brady didn’t cheat.

    The NFL also admitted in court that they had no direct evidence that anyone deflated footballs.

    The NFL confirmed that Brady didn’t cheat when the NFL decided keep the PSI that they collected during the 2015 season secret.

    On the other hand, stupid people will take their stupidity to the grave.

  121. vikesr4reel says:
    Aug 5, 2016 2:47 PM
    …So until you can say 100% that he did nothing wrong, you may just be the real troll in all this.
    _______________
    How about the “fact” that the Wells Report states that the expected PSI of the Patriot footballs at halftime should have been between 11.32-11.52 psi. And on the gauge that Walt Anderson said he recalls using, the average was 11.49 psi, which is on the high end of their own range.

    If Brady or anyone did anything, why weren’t the footballs deflated below their own expected range?

    So based on that alone, it is pretty clear that he did nothing wrong other than tick off the commissioner by not accepting his flawed data.

  122. nite2al says:
    Aug 5, 2016 2:54 PM

    Hey clown, he was suspended for cheating because the NFL thought his was involved in the manual deflation…I accept that the atmosphere can make a ball deflate, BUT that doesn’t mean the Patriots didn’t do it themselves!! Remember, “Tom’s gonna be mad”, lol.
    —-
    Tee hee 🙂 Patriot Hater sounds so angry these days. 🙂 Cheer up! Football is almost here and your team’s annual beatdown by the 4 time World Champions is just around the corner!

    And if we’re being completely honest, your team really does deserve that beatdown. Just like a weakling deserves a beating at school for being a weakling! 🙂

  123. It really is great to be a Patriot fan! 🙂

    More Super Bowls in the last 25 years than any team.

    7 Super Bowl appearances in the last 20 years

    More wins this century than any team

    An unprecendented track record of success

    The paragon of excellence in the modern NFL and if we are being perfectly honest, any sport at any time.

    The undisputed standard of excellence that all teams compare themselves to.

    The greatest coach and QB of all time

    And no sign whatsoever that this run of success will end anytime soon.

    Yup. It really is GREAT to be king! 🙂 I love sitting on top of the mountain smiling at all inferior teams and their inferior fans beneath US.

    🙂

  124. It’s time to stop with that tuck rule nonsense!
    First of all the Tuck Rule was already a rule in the NFL rule book so the fact that the referees called it according to the rule book was what it was their jobs to do.

    —–
    My fellow Patriot fan 🙂

    Let’s not be defensive about the tuck rule. 🙂 Brady fumbled and got away with a technicality – he pretty much said so himself – and I’m happy to admit it.

    As all longtime Patriot fans understand… the Raiders had it coming to them for the farce otherwise known as Roughing the Passer.

    Really… when you think about it… Hollywood couldn’t have scripted it better and it couldn’t have played out any sweeter or better than it did.

  125. I’ve been thinking of writing a script for a deflategate parody move.

    I’ll try to get Brady to play himself, but I’m looking for suggestions for actors to play some of the other main characters.

    ============================

    Brady should be played by Pinocchio.

    >

  126. hehateme2 says:
    Aug 5, 2016 3:03 PM

    Brady will take this taint to the grave as earned. Cheating is frowned upon.

    —————————————————————–
    Science proves that Brady didn’t cheat.

    The NFL also admitted in court that they had no direct evidence that anyone deflated footballs.

    The NFL confirmed that Brady didn’t cheat when the NFL decided keep the PSI that they collected during the 2015 season secret.

    On the other hand, stupidity is earned and people take it to the grave. And among intelligent people, stupidity is frowned upon.

  127. patriot420blog says:
    Aug 5, 2016 3:13 PM
    superpatriotsfan says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:03 PM
    Cue the Pats fans thinking they are better than anyone 3….2….1..

    It’s so cute how small they are up in NE.

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    LOL, no we are better than you because we have cleaner air to breathe. oxygen levels are directly related to IQ

    LOL that’s a laugh, people who go to college in Boston are not really from there. They come from all throughout the country. The townies in Boston are morons, sorry but this isn’t Good Will Hunting Chucky

  128. 25-for-25 is just a warmup. They enrage Brady and then claim that nobody can be that good without cheating. Better still, they will never figure it out. It’s like watching someone punch themselves in the mouth and then complain how much it hurts.

  129. The massive inferiority complex by Pats fans seems to grow exponentially by the day. It must be hard lying to yourself and trying to come up with excuses for cheating on a daily basis. I’ll pray for them because at this point it’s sad and pathetic.

  130. hehateme2 says:
    Aug 5, 2016 3:03 PM

    Brady will take this taint to the grave as earned. Cheating is frowned upon.

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    Science proves that Brady didn’t cheat.

    The NFL also admitted in court that they had no direct evidence that anyone deflated footballs.

    The NFL confirmed that Brady didn’t cheat when the NFL decided keep the PSI information that the NFL collected during the 2015 season secret.

  131. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    Aug 5, 2016 11:43 AM
    Look at how much effort Brady puts into throwing the football 10 yards. The end can’t be very far.
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    Gee that’s a funny way of looking at it considering he has been outperforming Jimmy G (who has looked sharp himself) pretty consistently in camp with many 30-40 yard bombs in stride.

    He also tested off the charts during a drill where they had a WR stand at the goal line and both QBs took turns throwing it about 30 yards to him while the WR stood perfectly still to test pinpoint accuracy.

    Btw, this old myth is a flawed premise. They just mentioned the other day who had the average shortest pass per attempt (May have been Alex Smith? I don’t remember who it was, but it was a pretty good QB, and his name wasn’t Brady.

  132. Hater.

    We Patriot fans look down on you simply because we are superior in every way. Like our football team.

    It really is that simple you know.

    It’s not personal. 🙂

    ================================

    I’m still waiting on an answer to my question.

    Why did Brady lie if he’s innocent.

    It really is that simple you know.

    It’s not personal. 🙂

    Directly from the Wells Report and Goodell appeal transcript.

    Wells Report page 19 (last paragraph) top of page 20

    “He (Brady) claimed that prior to the events surrounding the AFC Championship Game, he did not know McNally’s name or anything about McNally’s game-day responsibilities, including whether McNally had any role relating to game balls or the game officials. We (Wells) found these claims not plausible and CONTRADICTED by other evidence. In fact, during his interview, Jastremski acknowledged that Brady knew McNally and McNally’s role as Officials Locker Room attendant. Similarly, McNally told NFL Security that he had been personally told by Brady of Brady’s inflation level preference. ”

    Goodell appeal hearing transcripts page 123 and 124 Direct Brady by NFL

    “And before the AFCCG you say you didn’t know McNally’s name. Brady said I knew his face. And did you know his responsibilities? Brady said he worked in the equipment room etc. What was your understanding, if any, regarding his responsibilities to bring the balls to the ref before the game? Brady said I wasn’t sure. And did you see in the Paul, Weiss investigative report (Wells Report) that Jastremski has stated that you knew McNally and his role as an officials locker room attendant? Did you see that in the report? Brady said Yes. And do you think that’s inaccurate? Brady said Yes. McNally said that he had been personally told by you of your inflation level preference during the 2014 season? Did you see that in the report? Brady said I saw it and I don’t remember that.”

    Bottom of page 139 Cross by Brady’s lawyer

    “In fact you didn’t know him (McNally)? Brady said Correct, well by face.” (No mention of Bird nickname)

    Top of page 140

    “Did you ever discuss footballs or deflation or psi or anything like that with McNally? Brady said No.”

    So Brady said in the Wells report he didn’t know his name, but under cross by his attorney, Kessler, Brady said he didn’t know McNally. Contradicted by Jastremski.

    Brady said he didn’t know McNally’s game day role also contradicted by Jastremski.

    Brady said he didn’t discuss psi levels with McNally. Contradicted by McNally.

    Conclusion – Brady lied to Wells and lied under oath to Goodell.

    Also I find it very surprising Brady didn’t know McNally’s name as McNally was a 32 year employee that USED to travel with the team. Also note Brady never said he knew McNally by his nickname Bird. So Bird was just another deflection. He only knew his face. If Brady really didn’t know his name then that shows how shallow a person Brady is.

    So why did Brady lie?

    >

  133. Yup. It really is GREAT to be king! 🙂 I love sitting on top of the mountain smiling at all inferior teams and their inferior fans beneath US.

    ==========================

    Except you are King of the cheats. Your legacy and reputation is tarnished so you really have nothing. >

  134. luckyforus says:
    Aug 5, 2016 3:59 PM

    I’ve been thinking of writing a script for a deflategate parody move.

    I’ll try to get Brady to play himself, but I’m looking for suggestions for actors to play some of the other main characters.

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    Brady can be played by Mat Damon.

    The gullible dupes that believed that Brady deflated footballs can be played by the Scarecrow from the Wizard of OZ because they don’t have brains.

  135. superpatriotsfan says:
    Aug 5, 2016 4:06 PM

    If the Patriots are the best team evah according to Pats fans, then how come they don’t win the Super Bowl every year?

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    Asks a dolphin fan that thinks the Dolphins are the best team evah, even though the Dolphins haven’t won anything since January 14, 1974

    The Dolphins provide zero entertainment value. Which is why a dolphin fan has to spend 100% of his/her free time posting under Patriots articles.

  136. Btw, this old myth is a flawed premise. They just mentioned the other day who had the average shortest pass per attempt


    It is simply a case of the fan who thinks they know more about the sport than they really do.. who really believes that a quarterback who drives an offense by the short passing game is somehow not a real quarterback.

    They would rather have a quarterback throwing long and incomplete… instead of a so called dink and dunk quarterback who is excellent at throwing the short dart complete again and again. Not too bright I must say. 🙂

    That’s why the 4 time World Champion Patriots are who they are and Patriot Hater’s wuss team is who it is.

    Draw your own conclusions. It sure ain’t rocket science!

    🙂

  137. Pats fans keep talking about the future, about Hall induction and a 5th championship and all that. Why?

    Because the past is full of cheating and shadiness, and the present is the situation pats fans GUARANTEED would never happen, that Tom Precious would NEVER be suspended.

    That’s the reality though, he is sitting four games for being a cheater. Yap on all you want about the legal arguments and terms and that he’s being suspended for a compliance issue but it matters nil.

    Suspended for cheating, will fail to win the big game for the 11th time in 12 years, and will certainly be made to wait a couple years for HoF induction, if he gets in at all. Them’s the facts, no matter how many tantrums you throw.

    Now, you can resume wasting your summer idolizing and defending a guy who doesn’t know you, doesn’t care about you, has nothing in common with you and would forget you within moments if you ever met him. The rest of us will continue enjoying our summer and laughing at your constant internet vigilance (seriously, it is pretty sad how invested some of you are).

    PS the funniest part is that this thread will play out the same on every Patriots article, for years after Precious Tom and BB leave the game, because you guys are so sensitive that you can’t just ignore it and talk football. So-called trolls can only exist if someone takes the bait, and you dolts have an insatiable appetite.

  138. goodellMustGo says:
    Aug 5, 2016 3:57 PM

    As all longtime Patriot fans understand… the Raiders had it coming to them for the farce otherwise known as Roughing the Passer.

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    Raiders also had it coming from the gift they were handed by a bad call in 1976.
    How perfect would it have been for the Patriots to have won the superbowl in the bicentennial year.

    Patriots got cheated by a call in a game that would have put them in the superbowl. Just look online for a video titled “1976 PATRIOTS”.

    In a day when players were allowed to crush quarterbacks, the referee called the Patriots player for roughing the QB because he hit him just as he passed the football. And don’t forget that the NFL always let teams hit even harder in playoffs games.

    If that bad call was not made then the Patriots likely go to the superbowl and win since they had a team that was stacked with talent. Instead the Raiders benefited from that bad call and the Raiders went on to win the superbowl.

    So either the Tuck Rule was payback of the bad call of 1977 or it was immediate karma in 2001 for Eric Allen stealing the Patriots call on the play that would become the Tuck Rule play. Or the roughing the passer farce.

  139. nite2al says:
    Aug 5, 2016 2:54 PM

    Hey clown, he was suspended for cheating because the NFL thought his was involved in the manual deflation…I accept that the atmosphere can make a ball deflate, BUT that doesn’t mean the Patriots didn’t do it themselves!!

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    Except that once the false report that originally claimed that the footballs were 11 of 12 footballs were 2.0 PSI below 12.50 PSI was corrected the deflation that actually happened was predictable and explained by science.
    If someone had also done manual deflation then the footballs would have been too flat to use.

  140. Gullible people that didn’t notice any of the “56 LIES THE NFL TOLD DURING DEFLATEGATE” became dupes and many continue believe the initial false story that was later corrected which claimed that 11 of 12 Patriots footballs were 2.0 PSI below 12.50 PSI.

    The NFL only measured 10 Patriots footballs which contradicts the claim that 12 footballs were measured. The NFL measured 10 Patriots footballs using 2 two pressure gauges to obtain 20 separate measurements. 19 of those measurements were above 10.50 PSI which contradicts the claim that 11 footballs were 2.0 PSI below 12.50 PSI.

    One of the 20 measurements being at 10.50 PSI can be explained by a defective football with a slow leak or air being released during the measuring process. The valves in footballs can be defective. The initial lie about “11 of 12” is what made a defective football scenario seem improbable.

    4 of the 12 Colts footballs were measured and after the Patriots 10 footballs were all measured twice. 3 of 4 of the Colts footballs had measurements below 12.50 when measured with one of the gauges. That same gauge measured one of the footballs at exactly 12.50 PSI but the measurements were clearly transposed so that measurements was attributed to the other pressure gauge.

    Colts PSI measurements when they were measured by the NFL near the end of halftime:
    Colts football #1 12.70 — 12.35
    Colts football #2 12.75 — 12.30
    Colts football #3 12.50 — 12.95
    Colts football #4 12.55 — 12.15

    The measurements of the Patriots footballs were then compared to the measurements of the Colts footballs and that comparison resulted in the inaccurate conclusion of “cheating”.

    That comparison was flawed and here is why:
    • The NFL allows footballs to be within a range of 12.50 PSI to 13.50 PSI. It is known that prior to the start of the game the Patriots footballs were measured at 12.50 PSI and the Colts footballs were measured at 13.50 PSI.

    • The Colts were the visiting team so the Colts footballs were likely transported in the cargo hold of an airplane and then the luggage trunk of a bus. This means that the Colts footballs could have already been more acclimated to outdoor temperatures when measured prior to the game.

    • It is known that the Colts football did not get as wet at the Patriots footballs during the first half of the game. This is due to time of possession and that the Colts footballs were being kept in a plastic bag and the Patriots footballs were out in the open. A study was done where it was shown that by wetting a football the volume can increase by up to 3%.

    This is due to the fact that leather becomes more pliable when it is wet. This allows the leather to stretch thereby increasing the size of the football. So the same amount of air that was stuffed into a smaller container is then held in a slightly larger container will result in a small pressure drop.

    • It is a fact that wet footballs warm up slower than dry footballs. We also know that the 4 Colts dryer footballs were allowed to warm up indoors while 10 of the Patriots wetter footballs were all being measured twice.

    Even the physicists that were still believing the false story about the 11 of 12 footballs dropping 2.0 PSI stated that footballs will drop in pressure when moved from a warm location to a colder location. Some concluded that the temperature difference couldn’t account for a 2.0 PSI drop. The temperature did not have to account for a 2.0 PSI drop because it didn’t happen. Plus the rain was a second factor that needs to be considered.

    This is confirmed by tests online where you can watch on video as the pressure readings drop on pressure gauges that are left inserted in footballs as the football are placed into a refrigerator. The pressure readings can then be seen rising when the refrigerator door is opened some time later.

    This information would be confirmed by obtaining measurements during NFL games played under similar weather conditions. The NFL is reported to have collected measurements during the 2015 season but has decided to keep those measurements secret. Which is interesting because the NFL seemed to go out of its way to make everything else about deflategate as public as possible especially the 56 lies.

  141. for those that accuse TB of,lying take an unbiased moment of your life and do a scorecard of lies and attempts to avoid the appearance of impropriety between TB and the NFL. The NFL is so far ahead it should be alarming unless you are sheep

    also for those that are still lamely stuck on tuckgate may I remind you that the Jets beat the Pats in a game using the tuck rule and subsequently won the division . Hence the wildcard game VS the Raiders

  142. gah05 says:
    Aug 5, 2016 4:31 PM

    4 game vacation + bye week = well rested Brady for the playoffs…time to invest in that Vegas bet.

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    Not only that, but the rest will likely mean that Brady plays one additional season before his eventual retirement. Breaking more passing records and keeping the Patriots in the superbowl hunt. Epic fail for the haters.

  143. streetyson says:
    Aug 5, 2016 2:38 PM

    Not quite, he decided that continuing the fight from here onwards could now hurt the team’s chances later in the season, so he folded for their sake rather than “selfishly” continue to try to clear his name. And he isn’t fighting on but merely giving his blessing to the NFLPA to use what they consider to be an unfair example in their on-going fight with the league over interpretation of the CBA’s rights and remits. But most haters only see what they want to reinterpret for their own childish ends.

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    All that is missing from your explanation is an American flag in the background and an eagle flying overhead. You are saying the same thing i said except couching it as a fight for “truth, liberty, and the american way”.

    He is accepting it now to not hurt his team later is the same as saying he is taking his punishment now so it doesn’t hit at an inconvenient time.

    He is fighting on through the NFLPA but you couch it as he is empowering others to fight the good fight.

    Trump could really use you as whoever writes his current speeches sucks.

  144. This is how fact purveyor spends his Fridays writing a 50 page response on PFT. New england must be a sad and lonely place good grief what a loser pathetic fanbase.

  145. Tee hee:) Patriot Hater sounds so angry these days.:) Cheer up! Football is almost here and your team’s annual beatdown by the 4 time World Champions is just around the corner!

    And if we’re being completely honest, your team really does deserve that beatdown. Just like a weakling deserves a beating at school for being a weakling!:)
    ____________________________________

    You’re right! I do hate the Patriots and their bush league tactics, all Ravens fans do…good thing you guys resorted to circumventing the spirit of the rule in that AFC Championship game…don’t think it was a smart play, it was bush league play because you knew you couldn’t beat us man-up. Other teams knew they could do that, but would not stoop to that level of thievery that YOUR team consistently does!!

  146. Since science PROVES there was no tampering and since the NFL has already admitted they had no evidence of tampering the ONLY thing Tom Brady is guilty of is being one of the best to play the game.
    Tom has never been embarrassed in a super bowl either, Peyton Manning & Denver can’t say the same after losing to Seattle 43-8, the same team Tom beat 28-24 in an epic come from behind victory.

  147. aj66shanghai says:
    Aug 5, 2016 4:34 PM

    Because the past is full of cheating and shadiness,

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    Actually that’s 100% false.
    The coach ignored a memo almost 10 years ago and positioned a camera in the wrong location for a portion of a game. That had nothing to do with Brady.
    Brady played in the league since being drafted in 2000 and was an example of how a player should play and behave on and off the field. Some people are jealous of his success on and off the field and that really all there is.
    The whole deflategate thing is nonsense and that has already been discussed. Plenty of information already mentioned in the comments above to show that deflategate never happened.

  148. thermanmerman99 says:
    Aug 5, 2016 5:23 PM

    This is how fact purveyor spends his Fridays writing a 50 page response on PFT.

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    Sorry that I made you read. PFT doesn’t have a way for me to draw a picture using crayons just for you.

    To everyone else sorry for the long posting but that’s the whole problem with deflategate. The false claim of cheating requires a more complicated explanation to counter it. That’s why the media was so effective at helping to dupe people having short attention spans.

    If you don’t want to read the long posting or if reading is a challenge most of the same information is available in 3 videos that were made be people that are fans of other teams.

    You can search for the videos with the following titles online:
    “NY PROFESSOR ROBERT BLECKER – DEFLATEGATE | “TISSUE OF LIES”
    “TAKING THE MEASURE OF DEFLATEGATE”
    “DEFLATE GATE & WHY SCIENCE SAYS THE PATRIOTS DID NOT TAMPER WITH FOOTBALLS”.

  149. The NFL confirmed that Brady didn’t cheat when the NFL decided keep the PSI information that the NFL collected during the 2015 season secret.


    For me they confirmed the fix was in when the goof that is commissioner of this league ordered the two equipment guys not to appear at Brady’s appeal meeting and testify under oath.

    No reason why he would order them to stay away unless he didn’t want to hear what they had to say and why do you suppose that is.

  150. Pats fans keep talking about the future, about Hall induction and a 5th championship and all that. Why?

    Because we can. 🙂

    Just like we will keep getting in Patriot Hater’s grill and running our mouths. Why? Because we can. Patriot Hater makes it SO MUCH FUN! 🙂

    #LoveDishingItOutButCantTakeIt
    #TeeHee

  151. The coach ignored a memo an positioned a camera in the wrong location during part of a game almost 10 years ago. The league destroyed the film so that no teams could ever benefit from watching it.


    Actually… not quite true. 🙂

    The coach did not ignore the memo at all. He followed the rulebook which said you cannot tape if the information obtained is used in game. It wasn’t. Therefore… there should have been no problem and the goof commissioner’s opinion should have been completely irrelevant.

    The league destroyed the tapes for one and I mean ONE reason only.

    Because they showed other teams doing exactly the same thing with their cameras. Ergo you had the Patriots punished for doing something other teams were doing and the goof commissioner would look like the goof that he always was.

    Spygate was a crock, and so was deflategate. Two weak excuses to hamper the Patriots chances through suspension and draft pick loss for the sole purpose of parity – to benefit teams (and fans) that simply aren’t man enough to beat the Patriots straight up.

    #ThatIsWhyWeDoNotRespectU
    #ThatIsWhyWeNeverWillRespectU
    #WeLaughInPatriotHatersFaceAndUWillLikeIt
    #DealWithItCupcakes
    #TeeHee

    🙂

  152. You’re right! I do hate the Patriots and their bush league tactics, all Ravens fans do…good thing you guys resorted to circumventing the spirit of the rule in that AFC Championship game…don’t think it was a smart play, it was bush league play because you knew you couldn’t beat us man-up. Other teams knew they could do that, but would not stoop to that level of thievery that YOUR team consistently does!!


    You mean the formations?

    Tom gave some excellent advice to your coach. I think he should listen. 🙂

  153. aj66shanghai says:
    Aug 5, 2016 4:34 PM

    Pats fans keep talking about the future, about Hall induction and a 5th championship and all that. Why?
    ——————————

    I realize that kind of talk is lost on a lot of fans of teams that aren’t the Patriots, so I will help you out in your quest for knowledge.

    It’s because the Patriots are good, Belichick and Brady are 1st ballot HOFers, and since they have already won 4 championships, and 5 comes after 4, the next one would be their 5th.

    That sure beats the dreams of folks like Dolphins fans, who only dream about maybe getting to 8-8.

  154. The gullible dupes that believed that Brady deflated footballs can be played by the Scarecrow from the Wizard of OZ because they don’t have brains.


    Oh…SNAP. Patriot Hater got completely owned again! Tee to the hizzle.

    🙂

  155. Unfortunately we’ll probably never know [how Brady would do on another team]


    Why is that unfortunate?

    🙂

  156. luckyforus says:
    Aug 5, 2016 4:19 PM

    I’m still waiting on an answer to my question.

    Why did Brady lie if he’s innocent.

    It really is that simple you know.

    It’s not personal.:)

    Directly from the Wells Report and Goodell appeal transcript.

    Wells Report page 19 (last paragraph) top of page 20

    “He (Brady) claimed that prior to the events surrounding the AFC Championship Game, he did not know McNally’s name or anything about McNally’s game-day responsibilities, including whether McNally had any role relating to game balls or the game officials. We (Wells) found these claims not plausible and CONTRADICTED by other evidence. In fact, during his interview, Jastremski acknowledged that Brady knew McNally and McNally’s role as Officials Locker Room attendant. Similarly, McNally told NFL Security that he had been personally told by Brady of Brady’s inflation level preference. ”
    __________________________________

    As much as I hate to admit it, I think you’re on to something. Brady’s statements do appear to be contradicted by the testimony of both Jastremski and McNally.

    So if you believe Brady is not credible, it means you believe that Jastremski and McNally’s testimony can be trusted. That being the case, the fact that both of these individuals have testified that no one deflated Pats’ footballs at the AFCCG (other than Mother Nature) must be true!

    Thank you for making the case for Brady’s innocence!!

  157. As much as I hate to admit it, I think you’re on to something. Brady’s statements do appear to be contradicted by the testimony of both Jastremski and McNally.

    So if you believe Brady is not credible, it means you believe that Jastremski and McNally’s testimony can be trusted. That being the case, the fact that both of these individuals have testified that no one deflated Pats’ footballs at the AFCCG (other than Mother Nature) must be true!

    Thank you for making the case for Brady’s innocence!!

    =============================

    Nice job deflecting the truth again. You still didn’t explain why Brady lied, cause you can’t.

    >

  158. who ever answered luckyfor us what about the lies the NFL has allowed like that erroneous report that took 6 months til it was corrected? If you scorecard the likes who has told more?

  159. who ever answered luckyfor us what about the lies the NFL has allowed like that erroneous report that took 6 months til it was corrected? If you scorecard the likes who has told more?

    ===========================

    I told you not to answer the NFL lied. So you’re saying Brady is innocent because you think the NFL lied more. That still doesn’t explain why Brady lied under oath.

    That’s why Brady said he dropped the appeal for personal reasons. He’s admitting he’s guilty of course. What other personal reasons could there be?

    >

  160. Tom Brady’s owes everything to Bill B and his brillantly coached and perfected cheating scams. Any one would be a great qb if they were fed live the defense that was called. Any qb would be great if they had a live feed to tell them where an open man was. Just look at Matt Cassell. I find very telling about Bill’s ego when he was asked about how great was Brady was, after three Superbowl wins, and gave token words of praise to Brady but he did say he wanted to remind everybody he went 11-5 without Brady. The way Bill’s job is set up, he has final say over player contracts. Any one else find it odd that Brady was grossly under paid? I believe one year BB made 7 million to Brady’s 5 million. Seems to me the Pats were always sending a message to Brady that you are only considered great because we made you and you can’t go any place else and get the same results.

  161. This whole thing started on what maybe a lie told by the Colts. They checked the Pats game ball unchecked then handed it over to Walt A Then the NFL allows the lie of the false report yet they seem to get a free pass among the sheep. This was so screwed up from the start that who the hell knows what the truth even is

  162. Dantheman, The NFL was not accused of breaking the rules. The lie you hang on to is one that you can’t prove where it came from and what was actually said. And you forget, all the Pats ball failed, on both gauges. The were found to below legal limits in the final investigation. So tell me what the relevance is? Does this lie prove the Pats innocence? No it doesn’t.

  163. babygaga19 says:
    Aug 5, 2016 8:55 PM

    Prince Tom. Nice try with the sympathy card. Nobody cares. You are the most hated sports figure in the U.S. Google it.

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    Nice try!

    That was just the opinion of a magazine and not an actual nation-wide poll? And wasn’t the magazine “Forbes”? And wasn’t the headquarters of Forbes on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, NY before they moved it to Jersey City, NJ?

    I know that New York and New Jersey are not part of New England. My guess is that those 2 states are home to New York Jets fans. That team is a Patriot AFC rival. Facts likely won’t stop dupes from swallowing it just like they swallowed all the lies.

  164. Dan, I believe the Pats actions that night truly out weigh the fact that the Colts did check the intercepted ball. And they checked one ball. How do you explain the 11 others that faild on both guages? And the Colts told the truth about what they did. McNally has given several versions of the events that night. Finally when asked why he took the balls without the refs permission, he didn’t know why he did it. Each and every event you highlight does not prove the Pats innocence. Only that you are pissed beyond reason and your only option left is to point fingers.

  165. Apparently luckyforus has forgotten the part about McNally denying, to Wells, that he made those statements to NFL security.

    We had a long discussion about this a week ago. Luckyforus asked twice for a source for that denial. I provided that source. Luckyforus asked again, and I provided it a second time. All in the sequence of about 6 consecutive comments. And then there was no more response from him/her.

    I even noted in that discussion that Wells only mentions McNally’s denial once, in all other instances Wells only mentions what NFL security claims McNally told them. There is no direct quote from McNally nor does Wells ever say he or his team were told that by McNally.

  166. For anyone interested in seeing that discussion, go to the main page, click on Green Bay Packers, and look for the article saying Green Bay was pressuring Peppers and Matthew’s to allow interviews by the league.

    That’s right……thus discussion happened in a Packers thread.

    Textbook trolling here. Can’t we just agree to disagree and get past this? Is anyone here man enough to do that?

  167. babygaga19 says:
    Aug 5, 2016 8:55 PM
    Prince Tom. Nice try with the sympathy card. Nobody cares. You are the most hated sports figure in the U.S. Google it

    ———-

    Just last week The Sporting News had Brady as #5 amongst NFL players. Aaron Hernandez, Ray Rice, O.J. Simpson, and Rae Carruth were not considered for the list. Google it.

    Please, keep up with current events.

  168. The truth is out there

    Follow the fumbles

    Question: Which team will win when one team has fewer turnovers than the other team during the course of a game?

    Question: Using a deflated football, is a player more likely, or less likely, to fumble?

    Think about it

    The Patriot Way

  169. And after games 1-4 this upcoming season we will finally have those four asterisks the trolls are always talking about. It’s nice they finally get to be right about something involving the Patriots.

  170. Man this stuff is priceless reading! Gonna be a fun year to see how this plays out. The AFC stinks so I think New England can make it to the Super Bowl. Tho Pitt could be a problem if they stay healthy. NFC has some pretty tough teams. This is going to be fun to watch because for New England anything less then a super bowl victory will be a disaster especially for their fans. Man it’s like watching the Dems and republicans here. Can’t wait!!! Lol

  171. luckyforus says:
    Aug 5, 2016 8:13 PM

    Nice job deflecting the truth again. You still didn’t explain why Brady lied, cause you can’t.
    ____________________________________

    Look who’s deflecting the truth this time.

    Brady was charged with participating in a scheme to deflate footballs after they were inspected by game officials. If that never happened, then he’s innocent.

    Jastremski and McNally have consistently denied that there was a scheme to deflate footballs. You find them credible. Case closed!

  172. Goodell “Keystone Copped” the whole Deflategate investigation. Brady’s personal decision to destroy his phone speaks volumes. Goodell decision to destroy Spygate evidence must really cause conflict for NE fans whether to love him for that favor or hate him for sitting Tommy for these 4 games.
    The fact that the camera near the Deflators bathroom deleted footage every 7-10 days was just too convenient for NE. There would be footage of ballboy going into that bathroom ” with the urinal on the left” (oops!) for every home game for past several seasons.
    Pats Nation can hide behind
    Wellsreportcontext.com
    Yourteamcheatstoo.com
    Idealgaslaw.com all they want if it makes them feel good about things.
    The boos Brady got at SB50 when past SB MVPs were being “celebrated ” is the pulse of NFL fans everywhere. Enjoy that Tom. You can shrug it off with that sheepish grin all you want but deep down Belichik , Ernie Adams and yourself know why your franchise successs are tainted.
    There are probably lots of fan bases that would trade $1.75 in fines, a few draft picks, and years of torture on message boards trying to justify their teams shady ways for 4 **** lombardies.

  173. babygaga19 says:
    Aug 5, 2016 8:55 PM

    Nobody cares. You are the most hated sports figure in the U.S. Google it.

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    Nice try with the gossip!

    That was just the opinion of a magazine and not an actual nation-wide poll? And wasn’t the magazine “Forbes”? And wasn’t the headquarters of Forbes on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, NY before they moved it to Jersey City, NJ?

    Those that know even a little geography understand that New York and New Jersey are not part of New England. My guess is that those 2 states are home to New York Jets fans. That team is a Patriot AFC rival.

    Apparently an opinion piece from a biased source was enough to get dupes to swallow it just like they swallowed all the lies.

  174. I hope President Trump calls Roger Goodell….Lyin ‘ Roger!

    I think I’ll call him that from now on.

    🙂

  175. braz says:
    Aug 5, 2016 6:26 PM
    @goodellmustgo

    Dude. 30 posts? Seriously?

    —-

    You are absolutely right. My fans demand better of me and rightfully so. I promise I will up my game. Next time it will be 50. 🙂

    Remember Patriot Hater… it is my obligation to preach only the truth and the facts. 🙂

    You may not like truth and facts but they are still truth and facts. 🙂

  176. justbegbaby says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:52 PM
    To all the Fan Boy Goodell Haters:

    Get your facts straight. Spygate was about the filming of meeting rooms in the visitors facilities and the hotel rooms of visiting teams….
    ______________________
    Wow, such wild theories you have. Can you please substantiate these with a reference – and not just some ticked off player or coach trying to make excuses.

    And at the very least, please do a spell check of the greatest coach in NFL history — it is “Belichick” (note, no ‘e’)

  177. I hope President Trump calls Roger Goodell….Lyin ‘ Roger!

    I think I’ll call him that from now on.

    ===========================

    Everyone that calls Roger a liar forgets Brady lied under oath. Why do you think he stopped the appeal because of “personal” reasons. >

  178. Look who’s deflecting the truth this time.

    Brady was charged with participating in a scheme to deflate footballs after they were inspected by game officials. If that never happened, then he’s innocent.

    Jastremski and McNally have consistently denied that there was a scheme to deflate footballs. You find them credible. Case closed!

    ==============================

    Bawawawawawa

    Your boy Brady is guilty of cheTing and lying under oath.

    >

  179. luckyforus says:
    Aug 6, 2016 10:33 AM
    I hope President Trump calls Roger Goodell….Lyin ‘ Roger!

    I think I’ll call him that from now on.

    ===========================

    Everyone that calls Roger a liar forgets Brady lied under oath. Why do you think he stopped the appeal because of “personal” reasons. >

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    Tee hee 🙂 It really is amazing how true the saying is that denial isn’t just a river in Egypt! Especially for Patriot Hater!

    🙂

  180. Wow, such wild theories you have. Can you please substantiate these with a reference – and not just some ticked off player or coach trying to make excuses.

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    That’s all Patriot Hater has. Excuses and fairy tales 🙂

  181. Follow the fumbles

    Question: Which team will win when one team has fewer turnovers than the other team during the course of a game?

    Question: Using a deflated football, is a player more likely, or less likely, to fumble?

    Think about it

    The Patriot Way

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    You forgot the third question 🙂

    Which team was yet again at the top of the league in fewest fumbles last year with fully inflated footballs? Think about it. 🙂

    Hint: The answer is in your post.

    #TeeHeePatriotHaterGotPwnedAgain
    #SlappingUDopesAroundIsSoMuchFUN

  182. luckyforus says:
    Aug 5, 2016 4:19 PM

    I’m still waiting on an answer to my question.
    Why did Brady lie if he’s innocent.
    It really is that simple you know.
    ______________________________
    Your theories are quite a stretch to say the least. All the excerpts that you posted only show that McNally was one of numerous game day employees that Brady only knew by face (or ‘Bird’). Remember, Jastremski was a regular employee but McNally was only game days (and only home games). Have you ever seen the sideline on NFL gamedays? Do you really think all NFL QBs know the names and roles of every game day employee? No way.

    So I’ve answered your question. My question to you is as follows:

    If there was tampering, why did the Patriot footballs measure within the Wells Reports own expected range of 11.32-11.52 psi? The average measurement on the gauge Walt Anderson recalls using was 11.49 psi, which is on the high end of their own range.

    Wouldn’t the average need to be about 10 or 10.5 psi for there to be any type of tampering? That is what the original Mort tweet indicated and set the stage, but we all know (maybe not the trolls) that it was proven to be a complete lie once the full numbers were released.

    So you can put your trust in Goodell and Mortensen whose lies have been completely proven and documented without question and I’ll put my trust in Brady.

  183. smartcollegefootball says:
    Aug 5, 2016 11:28 PM
    The truth is out there

    Follow the fumbles

    Question: Which team will win when one team has fewer turnovers than the other team during the course of a game?

    Question: Using a deflated football, is a player more likely, or less likely, to fumble?

    Think about it

    The Patriot Way
    ___________________________________

    Have you studied the Pats’ fumble rates?

    Study the stats from 2007 through 2014 (when the Pats were allegedly deflating the footballs used on offense) and you will discover that their offensive fumble rate was 1.14% at home (where they controlled the footballs after inspection by officials) and 1.08% on the road (where footballs are controlled by employees of the home team.)

    If they were deflating footballs, according to your theory the Pats would have fumbled less at home and more on the road. But the Pats fumbled more often at home less when they were on the road!

    Facts sure can be annoying, can’t they?

  184. Not saying Brady did or didn’t do anything, but the haters don’t have one single actual FACT of anything which proves Brady did anything at all beyond “everybody KNOWS he cheated”.

    And then there’s the idiot Jaxoff above complaining about NFL favoritism toward NE for what MIGHT have been? That is the meaningless argument of an absolutely clueless idiot.

  185. Why is it that haters somehow think calling someone a homer is offensive. Of course we are all homers. We are Patriots fans. We aren’t obligated to be impartial like the media is supposed to be. Calling some of the sports talking heads homers is sensible. Not so much for fans.

  186. Brady back week 5….with a HUGE chip now truly on his shoulder placed there by the League he loves so much…..THAT was a HUGE MISTAKE by the people he trusted & they will all PAY DEARLY….
    Week 5 he will be a little rusty for sure… He may only score 5TD’s that week but once he knocks off that rust the scoreboard will be lighting up beyond comprehension…
    You asked for it…. Enjoy it… I know Patriot nation will!!!!

  187. Limakey there’s one BIG difference between you and me. I am NOT blinded by Patriot love. They did cheat in 07 and were caught and deserved it. Meanwhile you are clearly blinded by hate. Al I have ever wanted is the NFL to at least try to avoid the appearance of impropriety. They clearly did not do that. It is Goodell’s job to allow for an even competitive playing field. As you say the Colts admitted to their cheating. Yet they aren’t even acknowledged never mind punished? How that fair? Yet the best Ted Wells could do is more probably than not and the Pats are given the toughest punishment ever? How is that fair? The league meanwhile allows that Mortensen report to go unchallenged allowing it to permeate the hate for 6 months before anyone corrected it . So the Colts definitely cheat the league definitely lies and both are given free passes? Yet the Pats may have cheated and lied and are viewed as true criminals? The vilification has been aimed in the wrong place but the sheep that are easily duped are ok with it? That is scary. I hope your team is never done like this.

  188. limakey says:
    Aug 5, 2016 9:28 PM

    How do you explain the 11 others that faild on both guages?

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    Another example of a poster that has posted many times on PFT always supporting the claim that the Patriots deflated footballs. Now it is clear that the poster is still believing the initial false report which claimed that 11 of 12 footballs were 2.0 PSI below 12..50 PSI.

    The NFL didn’t even measure 12 Patriots footballs.
    The NFL didn’t even measure 11 of the Patriots footballs.
    The NFL only measured 10 of the Patriots footballs.
    The NFL measured each of the 10 footballs twice and they obtained 20 measurements.
    Only 1 of the 20 measurements was 2.0 PSI below 12.50 PSI.
    (The PSI measurements can be found online under an article titled “deflategate” on a popular information page beginning with “wik…”)

    So 95% of the measurements indicated the footballs did not deflate by 2.0 PSI.
    (19/20 x 100 = 95.0%)

    But the false report, that many still believe today, stated that 91% of the measurements indicated that the footballs deflated by 2.0 PSI.
    (11/12 x 100 = 91.6%)

    Can you see how big a difference that lie was?

  189. I have to chuckle about blind jealousy & envy that non Patriots fans have toward the Patriots…. They are uninformed (for the most part) or choose to make up lies or spew unproven myths to support their wild claims & delusional view points…..
    I for one enjoy reading their tantrums as it just goes to prove that they are still completely distraught that their franchises just can’t compete & are thrilled to see the LEAGUE go out of its way in an attempt to cripple the Patriots using any means it can muster be they questionable or outright false in its findings….
    If only the fans of those franchises would hold their own owners/coaches/players more accountable for their poor choices or lack of accountability instead of pointing their fingers at the Patriots & blaming them for all their frustrations & failures…. However, it’s so much easier to blame someone else then look introspectively & face the reality that, YES, the Patriots are just that much better ran as a TEAM & ORGANIZATION than theirs are….
    I can understand their torment…. But unfortunately, it’s not going to end anytime soon for them & they know that as well… At least deep down inside where they don’t like to look that is!!!

  190. But the false report, that many still believe today, stated that 91% of the measurements indicated that the footballs deflated by 2.0 PSI. (11/12 x 100 = 91.6%)

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    Exactly who believes the false report.? Who cares about that report? I don’t. Brady was found guilty by the real facts plus he lied under oath.

    >

  191. Brady never lied. Especially when he was under oath. Brady was not found guilty of anything.

    The NFL made a mistake and didn’t want to admit it so they took off season texts and made assumptions that Brady might had been aware of something. Four judges heard the case and 2 sided with Brady and 2 said the NFL had the all the power to do what they want.

    The Colts footballs were compared to the Patriots footballs and that’s what started the entire farce.
    The Colts footballs should have never been used as a control group for a comparison with the Patriots footballs. Especially only measuring 4 Colts footballs after allowing them to warm up indoors while 10 Patriots footballs were being measured two times each.

    The Colts footballs were not treated the same during the measuring process. The Colts footballs were allowed to sit indoors and warm up prior to being measured.

    The Colts footballs were not even treated the same before the game. The Colts were the visiting team so their footballs would have been exposed to outdoors temperatures during the travel to the stadium.

    The Colts footballs were also not treated the same during the game. The Colts footballs were used less in the 1st half of the game due to time of possession. Plus the Colts footballs were kept in a plastic bag while the Patriots footballs were out in the open and they got wet due to the rain. Wet footballs warm up slower than dry footballs.

    The only people with science backgrounds that said that the weather couldn’t explain the deflation were ones that were also believing the false report that originally claimed that 11 of 12 footballs were 2.o PSI below 12.50 PSI.

    Every scientist that knows the correct PSI information has concluded that the weather explained the deflation.

  192. What started this was the Colts breaking the rules by having an intern check the Pats game ball then telling Walt A if was underinflated

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    Stupid comment. What started it was Brady cheating.

    >

  193. #LyinRoger ordered the two Dorito dinks NOT to testify at Brady’s appeal. Fact.

    There is only one reason why he would do that and Patriot Hater won’t like it.

    🙂

    #FactsAndTruth

  194. Brady was found guilty by the real facts …
    —————–
    No. It is the fictional “facts” that you and NFL HQ want to hang Brady for. The NFL admitted they had no real ones. What have you got (besides the whole Brady said he didn’t know the guys name nonsense which doesn’t say anything about deflating footballs)?

  195. luckyforus says:
    Aug 6, 2016 8:00 PM

    Stupid comment. What started it was Brady cheating.

    —————————————————————

    Science says that Brady didn’t cheat!
    Biased fans of 31 teams that have decided to be intentionally ignorant of the all the facts say that “Brady Cheated”.

    I’m siding with science on this one.

  196. Goodellmustgo, you are wrong, Goodell did not order JM and JJ not to testify at Brady’s appeal hearing. He had zero control over it. It was Tom Brady who refused to have them appear, and with good reason. Actually multiple reasons. It is in the appeal hearing transcripts.

  197. Thank you for your comment. Look folks what we have here is a team illegally checking another teams equipment unchecked after complaining about it previously then insisting the Pats have faulty equipment. Yep I believe them.

  198. Limakey – please take a few moments and find the following videos online. They were made by a Jets fan, a Steelers fan and Eagles Fan . After watching please come back and refute anything of the facts that were presented:

    “NY PROFESSOR ROBERT BLECKER – DEFLATEGATE | “TISSUE OF LIES”
    “TAKING THE MEASURE OF DEFLATEGATE”
    “DEFLATE GATE & WHY SCIENCE SAYS THE PATRIOTS DID NOT TAMPER WITH FOOTBALLS”.

    It will be especially entertaining to see you try to refute any of the information in the 3rd one that was made by the Eagles fan.

  199. limakey says:
    Aug 6, 2016 8:50 PM
    Goodellmustgo, you are wrong, Goodell did not order JM and JJ not to testify at Brady’s appeal hearing. He had zero control over it. It was Tom Brady who refused to have them appear, and with good reason. Actually multiple reasons. It is in the appeal hearing transcripts.


    I’m afraid you are misinformed. Better double check your sources chief 🙂

    It was #LyinRoger’s appeal, he could have asked anyone to appear. Not only did #LyinRoger not ask those two guys… he specifically said don’t come we are not interested in what you have to say.

    A distinction while seemingly subtle… is actually extremely important in this case. Very telling too. The fix was in, period.

  200. It was #LyinRoger’s appeal, he could have asked anyone to appear. Not only did #LyinRoger not ask those two guys… he specifically said don’t come we are not interested in what you have to say.

    =============================

    Another blatant lie by Cheatriot fan. You guys lie so much you don’t know what’s true.

    The NFLPA didn’t want the ball boys to testify. They could have called them to testify. Goodell could also have called them to testify but the burden of providing new evidence to vindicate Brady was on the NFLPA.

    So many chances to prove Brady’s innocence like providing the requested texts on Brady’s phone, allowing a 2nd Wells interview from McNally and calling Jastremski and McNally to testify at the Goodell appeal. Instead Brady’s team didn’t fully cooperate. I guess it was for “personal” reasons. Innocent people fully cooperate and don’t lie under oath.

    >

  201. Yet another hater who thinks they have facts yet don’t Roger G could have asked and even demanded to speak with the Pats equip guys he could have pressed to do so. Why didn’t he?

  202. Aug 7, 2016 1:17 PM
    It was #LyinRoger’s appeal, he could have asked anyone to appear. Not only did #LyinRoger not ask those two guys… he specifically said don’t come we are not interested in what you have to say.

    =============================

    Another blatant lie by Cheatriot fan. You guys lie so much you don’t know what’s true.

    —-
    Wrong again cupcake. 🙂 I heard his presser no point in denying facts and truth.

    Its clear as day you’re having trouble with that denial phase 🙂 I am pulling for you chief… it is but the first step to acceptance.

    🙂

  203. Patriot Hater gets soooo frustrated when confronted with facts and truth. So funny!

    🙂

  204. Patriot Hater gets soooo frustrated when confronted with facts and truth. So funny!

    ==============================

    Cheatriot loser when confronted with facts and truth start lying just like your cheating coach and QB

    Hilarious, the world is laughing at you.

    >

  205. luckyforus says:
    Aug 7, 2016 1:17 PM

    The NFLPA didn’t want the ball boys to testify. They could have called them to testify. Goodell could also have called them to testify but the burden of providing new evidence to vindicate Brady was on the NFLPA.
    ___________________________________

    Exactly, Brady was asked to provide new evidence. Both JJ and JM’s testimony was already a matter of record. Both had stated that there was no scheme to deflate footballs. Neither Brady nor the NFLPA was going to call a witness just to have that witness rehash something that was a matter of record.

    There was nothing to prevent Goodell from calling JJ and/or JM to testify. The NFL had the power to call anyone they wanted as witnesses. If the NFL thought JJ and/or JM would have given testimony favorable to their side, they would certainly have been on their witness list. The NFL didn’t call them for an obvious reason …their testimony would not have been helpful to the NFL.

  206. Fact, please read Russ Roberts The Data In The Wells Report, The New York Time, “In the End Science Doesn’t Save the Patriots” and “The Deflategate Report Makes Brady Look Very, Very, Involved”. One of your biggest mistakes is that you are looking for an absolute answer when it is clear that many experts have different opinions. You are overlooking the fact that Exponent did hundreds of tests and gave their conclusions. The NFL then brought in Dr. Daniel Marlowe to find all the flaws or mistakes in their conclusions. When Brady brought in the AEI expert in his appeals hearing, the AEI did no experiments and their expert did not hold up well under cross examination. All those reports you have posted did not go through cross examination nor did they have any one to challenge their results. In my opinion, that if you demand that one side prove its work then you have to demand the same of the otherside.

  207. Exactly, Brady was asked to provide new evidence. Both JJ and JM’s testimony was already a matter of record. Both had stated that there was no scheme to deflate footballs. Neither Brady nor the NFLPA was going to call a witness just to have that witness rehash something that was a matter of record.

    There was nothing to prevent Goodell from calling JJ and/or JM to testify. The NFL had the power to call anyone they wanted as witnesses. If the NFL thought JJ and/or JM would have given testimony favorable to their side, they would certainly have been on their witness list. The NFL didn’t call them for an obvious reason …their testimony would not have been helpful to the NFL.

    =============================

    Your lack of comprehension skills are appalling. The appeal was brought on by Brady. He was trying to get his 4 game suspension reduced. Goodell and the NFL didn’t need anyone to testify. Brady didn’t want the ball boys to testify because it could only hurt his case, not help it.

    >

  208. The appeal was brought to court by the NFL as if to say we have the power let us show you. The NFLPA didn’t want the guys to testify. But since it was the NFL instigating the court case they could demand the Pats equip guys testify and there would be nothing Brady the NFLPA et al could do to stop it. Yet Roger chose not to press and therefore they did not testify. Why didn’t Roger press? So who ever responded to luckyfor us stop pretending yoj have any facts cause you don’t

  209. Lima Key the issue is the press. If you scorecard all of the lies and inconsistencies form both sides as reported via the press then the NFL is way ahead.
    This was based on the Colts breaking the rules to try and prove the Pats were breaking the rules. This was based on the NFL barely if at all even acknowledging the Colts breaking the rules. Then using that to say more probably than not the Pats broke the rules.
    Sorry but the NFL has a huge credibility issue with me stemming from that. I can tell you they didn’t till then

  210. luckyforus says:
    Aug 7, 2016 4:23 PM
    Patriot Hater gets soooo frustrated when confronted with facts and truth. So funny!

    ==============================

    Cheatriot loser when confronted with facts and truth start lying just like your cheating coach and QB

    Hilarious, the world is laughing at you


    Tee hee 🙂 Call out Patriot Hater being in denial and they double down on their denial!

    So freaking funny! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  211. You can tell how frustrated Patriot Hater is. 🙂

    Getting slapped up and down this board by Patriot Fans and then watching their wuss team get clowned by the 4 time World Champion Patriots…that has to sting!

    OUCH!

    🙂

  212. You can tell how frustrated Patriot Hater is. 🙂

    Getting slapped up and down this board by Patriot Fans and then watching their wuss team get clowned by the 4 time World Champion Patriots…that has to sting!

    OUCH!

    =============================

    Actually I’m having a lot of fun. I’m stating facts and you bozos are spewing lies.

    I feel sorry for you because your team is a bunch of cheats and lies and your trophies are tainted. You have to defend and deny your cheating. I do not. I do this for fun.

    And btw all my favorite sports teams are very successful and I’ve watched them win 14 championships and none of them are tainted.

    >

  213. Dan, it was Tom Brady’s appeal. He had total control over who testified. However, he has no control over how the NFL would use the fact he declined to have JJ and JM testify. In other words, Goodell didn’t need to hear them testify. If in fact, he could have forced them to testify, under completly different set of rules, and what if both of them testified that Tom Brady was involved in the scheme and confirmed that they were rewarded for it by Tom. And confirmed the texts were about deflating footballs and it was a joke about going to ESPN about deflating footballs not about stealing shoes. Brady and the Comissioner already knew that JM and JJ have contradicted Brady already in the Wells Report, so why not get it under oath? Would that really be fair to Brady? So if you insist on saying that Goodell could have commanded them to testify, then at least give him the common courtsey that he gave Brady another huge break.

  214. Nope Brady had zero say. He could ask the Pats but since they are Pats employees they could say no. Wells did want to question McNally again. But that was turned down. A by the fact that he reneged on an agreement saying he’d send the Pats a list of questions and by Goodell who declined to call them again as witnesses I am tired of this of you of all haters. Civil matters such as this are decided by a preponderance of the evidence. The issue is both sides have that preponderance issue. But if you look objectively at both sides there are more issues with the NFL’s case than with Brady’s do some reading find some articles from each side. But you won’t cause you are happy in your own little world where you are right and everyone else is clueless like all haters. I am tired of you and all haters.

  215. It’s so freaking adorable seeing Patriot Hater discuss the 4 time World Champions all the time 🙂

    It’s like a group of puny little mice discussing the grizzly bear next door!

    🙂

  216. luckyforus says:
    Aug 7, 2016 7:23 PM

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    Actually I’m having a lot of fun. I’m stating facts and you bozos are spewing lies.

    I feel sorry for you because your team is a bunch of cheats and lies and your trophies are tainted. You have to defend and deny your cheating. I do not. I do this for fun.

    And btw all my favorite sports teams are very successful and I’ve watched them win 14 championships and none of them are tainted.

    Tee hee 🙂 You just can’t help yourself 🙂 It is so easy to make you dance when I pull your strings!

    It is obvious Patriot Hater can’t handle the truth and you are proving it post after post after post after post 🙂 So freaking hilarious! Keep posting cupcake 🙂

  217. Patriot Hater’s team – and Patriot Hater too for enabling them- are simply not man enough to beat the Patriots so they cried to the league to help them out.

    It’s that simple.

    How embarrsssing it must be to be outed as a little wussy instead of a real man 🙂

  218. limakey says:
    Aug 7, 2016 8:03 PM
    Dan, it was Tom Brady’s appeal. He had total control over who testified. However, he has no control over how the NFL would use the fact he declined to have JJ and JM testify. In other words, Goodell didn’t need to hear them testify. If in fact, he could have forced them to testify, under completly different set of rules, and what if both of them testified that Tom Brady was involved in the scheme and confirmed that they were rewarded for it by Tom. And confirmed the texts were about deflating footballs and it was a joke about going to ESPN about deflating footballs not about stealing shoes. Brady and the Comissioner already knew that JM and JJ have contradicted Brady already in the Wells Report, so why not get it under oath? Would that really be fair to Brady? So if you insist on saying that Goodell could have commanded them to testify, then at least give him the common courtsey that he gave Brady another huge break.
    ======================
    It’s also equally likely both would have reaffirmed what they told Wells and that they weren’t involved.

  219. Don’t you think Goodell has a certain amount of responsibility to getting to the truth? Doesn’t the integrity of the office let alone the game demand as much? If Goodell honestly thought JJ\JM refuted what Brady said he didn’t do much to verify that was truly the case.

  220. fireroger says:
    Aug 8, 2016 11:58 AM
    Don’t you think Goodell has a certain amount of responsibility to getting to the truth? Doesn’t the integrity of the office let alone the game demand as much? If Goodell honestly thought JJ\JM refuted what Brady said he didn’t do much to verify that was truly the case.
    _________________________
    Absolutely right, but Goodell doesn’t care about the truth – he only cares about what puts him and the other owners in the best light.

    If he admitted the truth, he and his office would look like fools for spending millions on this investigation, and for not being aware that footballs deflate in cold weather, which Troy Vincent already admitted on record. Much better for Goodell personally to press on and hope people aren’t willing to look at the real facts in this case.

    It is insulting every time Goodell uses the word integrity.

  221. TB – Occupying thousands of acres crybaby haters heads.

    You jackwagons claim Pats fans can’t stop whining about Framegate. Most of us have moved on many months ago.
    It’s you clowns that can’t remove TB’s image from your heads. Have at it.
    Your comments mean and accomplish nothing.

  222. It is insulting every time Goodell uses the word integrity.


    #LyinRoger wouldn’t know the meaning of that word if he was staring at it in the dictionary.

  223. Fireroger, the reality is that JM and JJ actions and words was the only evidence that linked Tom Brady to the scheme and Brady knew this very early on. Brady’s main defense was that he did not know who JM was. He only knew his face. He was clearly answering the questions before they were going to be asked. For instance, one of the texts between JM and JJ was something like, “he actually brought you up by name last night and said you must be under alot of stress to get it done.” By denying that he knew JM’s name or what his job was, he was stating his defense, how could I have brought his name up when I didn’t even know his name or that text was not about him. He was asked several questions and he has remained steadfat that he did not know JM period, only knew his face. It was Brady’s appeal, do you think it would have been fair of Goodell to have called JM and JJ and impeach Tom?

  224. limakey, you’ve had so many detailed posts on this topic over the many months since this started. At the very best, the “evidence” that the NFL had is very shaky – even Ted Wells who tried so hard to prove their desired conclusion was only willing to use the terms “more probable than not” that he was “generally aware” – which means he was not 100% convinced that anything happened (and in my opinion, this was his way to appease Goodell without saying they could not find any proof of rule breaking).

    So in all seriousness, can you be 100% honest and answer these questions:

    1. Why is it so important for you to continue defending the actions of Goodell and the NFL?

    2. Are you really in search of the truth or do you think Brady and the Pats had it coming (i.e. payback for Spygate, etc.)?

    3. What team do you root for?

    Honest answers to the above would be surprising but very refreshing…

  225. dandeman19 says:
    Aug 8, 2016 4:45 PM

    1. He’s Mike Kensil former Jets exec now an NFL exec
    _______________________
    Right, but you mean Mike Kensil, now reassigned to NFL International Ops (aka “NFL China”)….

    #when bad things happen to Jets fans

  226. The text that states ” he actually brought up your name” doesn’t even refer to Tom ! It refers to tickets that had to be sold or given away b/ c which ever texted had game tickets had to get rid of them. Nice job trying to relate text messages together back to Tom.
    Besides science proves there was no tampering.

  227. Here is the line of thinking of people who believe everything Goodell says:

    They believe that the”he” in the “he actually brought you up by name last night…” text is Tom Brady and this exchange is evidence that Brady was generally aware of a scheme.

    The problem is both McNally and Jastremski deny that the “he” in this exchange is Brady. They were referring to a friend of theirs. This friend was made available to the investigation, but his input was disregarded. Wells said this explanation is implausible, not because he had any evidence to counter it, but simply because it didn’t fit with his conclusions.

    Here’s how insane that is: You and a friend have a conversation and reference a third friend in it. A stranger says he heard your conversation and asks you what it was about. You explain what and who you were talking. The stranger then tells you that you’re wrong, that wasn’t the subject of your conversation and you were planning a crime. This information is then used against you in court. For some reason, everyone thinks these are fair and reasonable conclusions. That’s Twilight Zone level stuff.

  228. By the way….McNally never told Wells that Brady told him what psi he preferred. Wells said that NFL security told him that McNally said that. When asked about it by Wells, McNally denied saying that to NFL security.

    That is in the Wells report. Of course Wells mentions the denial only once, but mentions what the NFL claims McNally told them several times.

  229. John, I was addressing one text and Brady’s defense of it. I never said a word about anything else. However, can you give any proof of why JM or JJ should be consideed credible? JM has given mutiple versions that night of his actions. He told NFL security that Tom Brady told him personally what his ball pressure was and he in turned told Walt Anderson what it was. So why did he deny it when he spoke to Wells? And can you see why Wells had issues with his credibility. Same thing with JJ. He told NFL security that he only talked to JM about the deflation but then tells Wells that he did in fact talked to Tom Brady the next morning about it. So I ask you again, why should JJ be considered a credible witness? And both men were not under any threat of punishment. Neither man testified under oath, so why should they be believed? Don’t forget, this comes from the same source that he called himself the deflator because he was a “large fellow” and took the footballs in front of several officials so it erases the fact that he took them without permission.

  230. On the bright side, Brady won’t have to spend money on wicked good kicks to payoff locker room attendants. On second thought, he is probably still buying off locker room attendants as I write this.

  231. smartcollegefootball says:
    Aug 5, 2016 11:28 PM
    The truth is out there

    Follow the fumbles

    Question: Which team will win when one team has fewer turnovers than the other team during the course of a game?
    ————————————-

    The team that scores the most points.

    Question: Using a deflated football, is a player more likely, or less likely, to fumble?
    —————————–

    Probably more, but there is no evidence either way, so the question is pointless.

    Think about it

  232. By the way….McNally never told Wells that Brady told him what psi he preferred. Wells said that NFL security told him that McNally said that. When asked about it by Wells, McNally denied saying that to NFL security.

    That is in the Wells report. Of course Wells mentions the denial only once, but mentions what the NFL claims McNally told them several times.

    =============================

    At least Wells mentioned it once as he basically stated he believed NFL security and he didn’t believe McNally.

    However there has been no denial of Jastremski’s comment that Brady knew McNally and his game day responsibilities. No reasonable person believes that Brady only knew McNally by face. McNally was a 32 year part time employee who used to travel with the team. Plus McNally was responsible for delivery of the game balls to the head ref with specific instructions to make sure they were at 12.5 psi. No reasonable person believes that Brady would not know the name or nickname of the employee responsible for this very important role. I’m

    Brady said to Wells and Goodell under oath he only knew McNally by face. Later it came out (not sure if this is true or made up to cover a lie) that Brady knew him by Burt, his nickname, although his real nickname was Bird. If Brady knew his nickname as Burt or Bird why didn’t Brady testify to that.

    So if this was a conspiracy or witch hunt by Goodell there would have to be multiple persons involved like NFL security, Wells, Kensil, Troy Vincent, and the Exponent, Marlowe, etc. No reasonable person believes it was a witch hunt.

    Also the science argument doesn’t work either for Patriot fans as you can’t create the exact environmental conditions of game day in a lab. And not every football was exposed to the same exact conditions. All the footballs weren’t just sitting on the ground like a car with 4 tires. Footballs were being used, toweled dry, in the bag, etc.

    Finally it’s the totality of the evidence and not any single incident. Texts, bathroom incident, destruction of evidence, conflicting testimony, and not fully cooperating. Wells clearly stated in the Goodell appeal if it was only the science then it may have been a different conclusion.

    > On Aug 8, 2016, at 8:38 PM,

  233. limakey says:
    Aug 8, 2016 3:21 PM
    ================
    Or it could entirely be what JJ\JM said that conversation was about trying to resell tickets between JMy and his friend (even confirmed by said friend) and had nothing to do with Brady whatsoever. Do you think it’s reasonable for the investigator to dismiss the account of three people as not plausible?

    Do I think it’s reasonable for a commissioner to do whatever it takes to discover the truth? Even if it meant impeaching Brady? Uh, yeah. But then again I don’t believe the testimony of JJ\JM would have mattered one bit since Goodell was already parroting the false conclusions being fed to him from the multi-million dollar report he paid for.

  234. luckyforus says:
    Aug 9, 2016 9:07 AM
    ==================
    No reasonable person would still be arguing science can’t explain the ball deflation 100%. Simply, it can. It’s been proven a hundred times over at this point. The simple matter of using the correct gauge (the one Wells told the ref he didn’t use) explains the loss of air to .02.

    No reasonable person can take a step back and look at this objectively and say the NFL even remotely proved their case. Even with the totality of the “evidence”. Which would still be the case even if every person on the planet completely agreed something was fishy.

  235. Finally it’s the totality of the evidence and not any single incident. Texts, bathroom incident, destruction of evidence, conflicting testimony, and not fully cooperating. Wells clearly stated in the Goodell appeal if it was only the science then it may have been a different conclusion.
    ___________________________
    The Wells Reports says the balls should have been in the range of 11.32-11.52, and the avg. was 11.49 on the gauge Walt Anderson recalls using. And the science community completely disputes the assumption that any unnatural deflation occurred at all.

    So if the footballs were not deflated, then how can any of this be considered “evidence”?

    It’s like if a person was reported missing, and the most likely suspect is immediately accused of murder. Then the victim is found alive and unharmed – however they ignore this and continue with the murder charges even though no crime occurred.

    I know you guys really want Brady to be found guilt of “something” but the real FACTS just don’t substantiate the argument.

  236. Finally it’s the totality of the evidence and not any single incident. Texts, bathroom incident, destruction of evidence, conflicting testimony, and not fully cooperating. Wells clearly stated in the Goodell appeal if it was only the science then it may have been a different conclusion. ___________________________ The Wells Reports says the balls should have been in the range of 11.32-11.52, and the avg. was 11.49 on the gauge Walt Anderson recalls using. And the science community completely disputes the assumption that any unnatural deflation occurred at all.

    So if the footballs were not deflated, then how can any of this be considered “evidence”?

    It’s like if a person was reported missing, and the most likely suspect is immediately accused of murder. Then the victim is found alive and unharmed – however they ignore this and continue with the murder charges even though no crime occurred.

    I know you guys really want Brady to be found guilt of “something” but the real FACTS just don’t substantiate the argument.

    ==============================

    Not quite true as usual.

    Their were 2 gauges and you can’t just say the science community as there are thousands of scientists in the world that haven’t given an opinion. Well’s scientists came to a different conclusion and I’m sure the NFL could find 21 scientists to say there was intention deflation. Again its the totality of evidence and Well’s admits it’s not just the science.

    And Brady was found guilty and suspended. You’re ignoring all the circumstantial evidence as usual. >

  237. @luckyforus

    we tell you the same things over and over and then you come back on every article with the same stuff, starting at the beginning.

    We’re never going to agree. All the things you mention in response to my post…..Brady never got a chance to question those things in the appeal because Goodell wouldn’t let Brady’s team have Wells’ notes and wouldn’t let Pash testify to what he ‘wordsmithed’.

    Basically it amounts to this: NFL’s investigators interview a bunch of people, make a case against Brady, sentence him, and then say “prove us wrong, but we’re not giving you any of the information which we used to convict you and we’re not going to let you question the NFL employee that edited the independent report.

    I find it amazing that anything that the equipment guys supposedly said, where it can hurt Brady becomes gospel, but anything that helps Brady is not credible.

    It’s almost hilarious that you point out that Pats fans can’t use science…..that you can’t recreate the field conditions in a lab…..that is exactly what Exponent did in order to determine (in a flawed manner) that Walt Anderson used the non-logo gauge. And even with the flawed analysis, the calculations were based on assumed input data, not actual data.

    So in the end, the result is a conspiracy to manually alter balls that weren’t manually altered.

    If Goodell wants to discipline Brady for not turning over a phone that he had no right to, I’m okay with that because it has happened before. But the discipline should be in line with what happened before. Especially after Brady turned over his emails and certified phone logs (which show not additional texts or calls to Jastremski, and none ever to McNally.

    I’ve got to ask though…..what was so damaging in Wells’ investigative notes and Pash’s testimony that Goodell wouldn’t allow either? Goodell already had the ‘destroyed phone’ fallback at that point…..so why not share the notes and let Pash testify?

    Don’t bother answering, it’s a rhetorical question and I’m not going to respond because on the next article you’re just going to start at the beginning again, and I’m not wasting my time any more.

  238. 345snarkavenue

    Don’t bother answering, it’s a rhetorical question and I’m not going to respond because on the next article you’re just going to start at the beginning again, and I’m not wasting my time any more.

    =============================

    You’re wasting your time cause if Brady was innocent there wouldn’t be mountains of circumstantial evidence. So admit he cheated and no more of your time will be wasted. Ps. I’ve supported my facts with documented evidence. You have not.

    >

  239. luckyforus says:
    Aug 9, 2016 10:41 AM

    …Their were 2 gauges
    ________________
    Let’s keep it simple – you are right, there were 2 gauges and this is a critical point.

    In the WR, Walt Anderson made 2 significant claims:

    1. The Patriot footballs were at roughly 12.5 psi before the game, even though he did not document these.

    2. He recalls using the Logo gauge to measure the balls at halftime. With this gauge, the psi was much higher and the average was well within the expected range.

    The NFL completely takes his word on point #1 as it helps their case. But they disregard point #2, as it hurts their claim and assume he likely used the other gauge, even though that is not what he said.

    That shows that they had no interest in seeking the truth, but rather proving their predetermined conclusion.

  240. Let’s keep it simple – you are right, there were 2 gauges and this is a critical point.

    In the WR, Walt Anderson made 2 significant claims:

    1. The Patriot footballs were at roughly 12.5 psi before the game, even though he did not document these.

    2. He recalls using the Logo gauge to measure the balls at halftime. With this gauge, the psi was much higher and the average was well within the expected range.

    The NFL completely takes his word on point #1 as it helps their case. But they disregard point #2, as it hurts their claim and assume he likely used the other gauge, even though that is not what he said.

    That shows that they had no interest in seeking the truth, but rather proving their predetermined conclusion.

    =============================

    Again not totally true. You should read the Wells report to understand why Wells thought Anderson was mistaken.

    So why did Brady lie to Wells and Goodell under oath? Can someone please explain that?

    I’m going to continue asking the question on any article that Patriot fans claim there was a conspiracy against Brady. So I’m not giving up. I’m having fun.

    >

  241. luckyforus says:
    Aug 9, 2016 11:10 AM

    You’re wasting your time cause if Brady was innocent there wouldn’t be mountains of circumstantial evidence. So admit he cheated and no more of your time will be wasted. Ps. I’ve supported my facts with documented evidence. You have not.
    ———–

    I don’t know if he cheated, and neither do you. I don’t think you’ll ever find a claim by me that says Brady did not cheat. That’s because I don’t know. But neither does anyone else besides Brady, Jastremski and McNally.

    Recordings or complete transcripts of Wells’ interviews….that would be evidence. Pash’s marked up copy of a draft version of the Wells Report…..that would be evidence. And you don’t have that.

    The Wells Report…..that is an interpretation of evidence, and in many places makes assumptions based on other assumptions, or determines credibility of statements that is then used to determine credibility of other statements. It is a house of cards. In and of itself it is not evidence. There is a difference.

    I’m curious though….given all the lies, false leaks, false letter to Kraft, leagues unwillingness to provide Kraft with the actual halftime PSI unless he signed a non-disclosure statement, scientific studies to the contrary of Exponent’s work, Goodell’s denial of investigative notes or allowing Pash to testify, and many other things….you aren’t willing to look at the totality of all those things as an indicator that the process was flawed and thus the result of the process was flawed?

    Can you answer that one question without deflecting?

  242. luckyforus says:
    Aug 9, 2016 11:10 AM
    You’re wasting your time cause if Brady was innocent there wouldn’t be mountains of circumstantial evidence. So admit he cheated and no more of your time will be wasted. Ps. I’ve supported my facts with documented evidence. You have not.
    =============================
    Actually 345 has. Numerous times now.

    Maybe it’s not so much about admitting Brady cheated and actually proving it. Which the NFL has yet to do since the circumstantial and scientific evidence has giant holes that have never been filled.

  243. luckyforus says:
    Aug 9, 2016 11:25 AM
    Again not totally true. You should read the Wells report to understand why Wells thought Anderson was mistaken.
    =============================

    And maybe you should be asking why Wells would do that. Everybody else in the free world is.

  244. luckyforus says:
    Aug 9, 2016 11:25 AM
    So why did Brady lie to Wells and Goodell under oath? Can someone please explain that?
    =============================
    Something that has been answered twice in this thread alone.

  245. While Brady was under oath Goodell also lied. He omitted some of what Brady and Jastremski discussed . Brady made it very clear that he brought up the ball tampering charges and asked Jastremski how he was doing in regards to the possibilty it would come back on him . In Goodell’s report he never mentioned that. Yet in the transcripts it’s there. Why omit that? Is it Goodell’s job to fairly enforce the rules and to NOT make anyone look bad by omitting statements and the like in reports?

  246. this is what I wrote here on July 28th:

    You presume Brady should know everyone within the Patriots organization, even people that only work on the busiest 8 days of the year. I’d argue he has more important matters on his mind on those 8 days. I could certainly see a scenario where, after that Jets game fiasco with the balls, Jastremski, with McNally by his side, met with Brady pre-game to discuss the ball psi. The conversation was primarily between Brady and Jastremski with McNally just listening. Jastremski could have said “Bird here brings the balls to the officials locker room, what do you want him to tell the officials?” and Brady says “tell them I want the balls at 12.5”.

    And Brady remembers the conversation being between him and Jastermski, because they were the ones doing the talking and Brady has a lot of other things on his mind. That’s what I believe happened, but I don’t have any further proof than you do.

    In the Wells report, there are many places where Wells has a great amount of elaboration on a topic, when that elaboration suits his purpose. But that elaboration seems to be missing in many places, where the report only states the main point he wants to make with none of the context. It is a hallmark of that report. I’d speculate that constituted part of the ‘wordsmithing’.

    Just because Brady remembers a scenario different than Jastremsk and/or McNally, it doesn’t necessarily mean that he lied.

  247. which I followed by posting this:

    you interpreting it as a lie is not necessarily the same as it being a lie.

    In the scenario I posted above regarding a hypothetical meeting between Brady, Jastremski and McNally (which by the way is what I believe probably happened) you have the facts that match what is in the Wells report, but the Wells report doesn’t tell the full story. The Wells report makes it sound like Brady had a conversation with only McNally – it doesn’t actually say that, instead it is presented in a manner which leaves out the details on how Brady said that to McNally.

    Why didn’t Wells elaborate on that conversation between Brady and McNally? Surely if there was supporting information Wells would have used it to his advantage. So where is it? It is missing because it doesn’t exist. Wells doesn’t include any details about the conversation because it weakens the argument he is trying to make. He does that a lot in that report, and that a main reason why it has been shredded.

    Even Wells complained to the league when people were discrediting his report and the league shrugged their shoulders at Wells.

  248. luckyforus says:
    Aug 9, 2016 11:25 AM
    Again not totally true. You should read the Wells report to understand why Wells thought Anderson was mistaken.
    _____________________________
    From the Wells Report:
    “Anderson’s best recollection is that he used the logo gauge”

    I did read the Wells Report, and you’re right – I can clearly see why he “thought” Anderson was mistaken.

    If Anderson really did use the logo gauge, then Wells has to report back to Goodell and tell him that he and his office were wrong as the logo gauge shows there was no unexpected deflation. In fact, I think that may have actually happened, which is the reason it took so long for the final report to come out (i.e. after the Pash edits).

    They were then desperate and found whatever they could to support their predetermined outcome – measurements from the other gauge, ignoring the precise time of the measurements (warming factor), finding an obscure text message from the off season and repeating it over and over, leaving out other testimony and key info, etc.

    And if your focus is on lies, then you should look at Goodell as he is the only one in this entire saga that clearly lied – I don’t think you will try and dispute this, right?

  249. and this:

    Just because Brady knew him by Burt (or Bert….I don’t really know which spelling Brady might have assumed but I’m sure the difference would be some sort of monumental evidence to you) doesn’t mean he knew the guy. He may have heard other people calling him Burt (or Bert) and assumed that was his name, but that in no way means Brady knew him.

    Brady could as well have said “I thought his name was Burt” in response to Kessler, but that doesn’t mean he knows the guy. To think those are equivalent is absurd.

    Really, if he doesn’t know the guy’s name, then it is more probable than not that he doesn’t know the guy.

    Back in the 80s I worked at a place that had about 160 employees. I worked in the main office building, and there was this guy that worked in another building on the same property. Every day, as part of his job, he would come to the main office building and needed to enter a locked, employee only door. Most of the time I was the person to let him in because my desk was closest to this door. I never knew his real name, but someone nicknamed him Herpes (I’m not making this up) and it stuck. This went on for probably 3 or 4 years.

    Now if there had been an investigation (say, someone stealing from the supply closet) and I was asked if I knew (whatever his real name was) I would have said No. If I was asked “did you ever let (whatever his name was) in the door, I would have said no.

    Now at some point later in time, I’m being asked by the owner of the company “you said to the investigator you did not know this guy, is that correct?” I could have said “correct, only by face” or I could have said “correct, though we called him Herpes”. Neither of those statements say I knew the guy and you can’t assume I knew the guy by either of those statements.

    And just because I let him into the building pretty much every day for 3 or 4 years doesn’t mean I knew what he was doing there.

  250. Exponent tried their best to make the two gauge needles look closer in length than they actually are in their photos, if you do the math using the scale numbers in the pics, the logo gauge needle is twice as long as the non-logo gauge needle. 1.5″ compared to 3/4″.

    and although Exponent claims, as does Wells, that Exponent covered every scenario in an effort to try to explain the differences, they missed one: that the logo gauge was used on Patriots’ balls and the non-logo gauge was used on the Colts’ balls.

    if Walt can’t remember which gauge he used, how on earth can he remember if he used the SAME gauge.

    What a freaking JOKE!

  251. luckyforus says:
    Aug 9, 2016 11:25 AM

    I’m going to continue asking the question on any article that Patriot fans claim there was a conspiracy against Brady. So I’m not giving up. I’m having fun.
    ——–

    this is really what it’s all about

  252. The assertion Walt couldn’t recall the gauge is laughable at best. There’s more than enough physical distinctions between the two to recall it well enough. Forget the fact Walt had been doing the same exercise for decades.

  253. Snark, a few problems with your post. The “Burt” came from the WellsReportIn Context written and produced by the Patriots. Brady has always been steadfat that he did not know Jim Mcnally period. He said it in the Wells Report and he again he said it in his appeals hearing. He was shown a picture of Mcnally and said he only knew the face. When told that JJ said he knew Jim McNally’s name and his job, again Brady denied knowing his name or his job. He only knew his face. See the problem here, JM, JJ and even the Pats have said that Brady knew who McNally was, even if only by nickname but Brady insists that they are all liars and he only knew the face. See the problem here? So need I ask who you believe is the liar on this issue?

  254. 345snarkavenue:

    I admit the process wasn’t perfect and there were many mistakes but I think that’s why Wells came to the conclusion that Brady was generally aware instead of saying he definitely did it. I still believe with the totality of the evidence Brady did it.

    Can you admit there’s a lot of circumstantial evidence supporting Brady did it?

    I think the lawyers on both sides trying to earn their pay checks and defend their client’s rights resulted in a lot of the stuff you said with leaks, denial of notes, phones, witnesses, etc.

    The NFL should have tested the balls immediately after McNally took them with out approval and then there wouldn’t be any doubt Brady did it.

    I’m curious though….given all the lies, false leaks, false letter to Kraft, leagues unwillingness to provide Kraft with the actual halftime PSI unless he signed a non-disclosure statement, scientific studies to the contrary of Exponent’s work, Goodell’s denial of investigative notes or allowing Pash to testify, and many other things….you aren’t willing to look at the totality of all those things as an indicator that the process was flawed and thus the result of the process was flawed?

    Can you answer that one question without deflecting?

    >

  255. And just because I let him into the building pretty much every day for 3 or 4 years doesn’t mean I knew what he was doing there.

    ===========================

    You’re an idiot if you let a guy named herpes who you didn’t know what he was doing into your building. >

  256. luckyforus says: Aug 9, 2016 11:25 AM So why did Brady lie to Wells and Goodell under oath? Can someone please explain that? ============================= Something that has been answered twice in this thread alone. ================================

    Nope, never been answered.

    And I’m not going to respond any more on specific incidences of circumstantial evidence. Again, the conclusion was based on the totality of the evidence, not one specific incidence.

    >

  257. limakey says:
    Aug 9, 2016 12:45 PM
    Snark, a few problems with your post. The “Burt” came from the WellsReportIn Context written and produced by the Patriots.
    ___________________
    limakey, if you do a search in the Wells Report, you will see that the nickname “Bird” is listed numerous times. Tedy Bruschi also said he had no idea who Jim McNally was – but when he saw a picture, he said oh yeah that’s Bird as all the players knew him as Bird.

    So Bird did not come from the only Wells Report in Context.

  258. Luckyforus I have seen report after report that Goodell has lied about Brady’s testimony or he ‘s manipulated it for his benefit.

    345 markavenue MCNally is on camera walking by the officiating crew and many NFL officials with the footballs. Rules the NFL has states that McNally is supposed to be escorted when he has the balls and no one not only escorted him but no one protested either. So the NFL then was in violation of its own rules

    I restate civil culpability is by preponderance of the totality of the evidence. You haters point to a few examples of Brady maybe being untruthful. I could to example after example of the NFL being untruthful

  259. luckyforus, is this the “lie” that you are referring to?
    _____________________________
    Wells Report page 19 (last paragraph) top of page 20
    “He (Brady) claimed that prior to the events surrounding the AFC Championship Game, he did not know McNally’s name or anything about McNally’s game-day responsibilities, including whether McNally had any role relating to game balls or the game officials. We (Wells) found these claims not plausible and CONTRADICTED by other evidence. In fact, during his interview, Jastremski acknowledged that Brady knew McNally and McNally’s role as Officials Locker Room attendant. Similarly, McNally told NFL Security that he had been personally told by Brady of Brady’s inflation level preference. ”
    _____________________________
    They asked Brady if he knew “Jim McNally”, he said no which is true as he did not know his name. They they proceeded to ask other questions about Jim McNally’s roles and game day responsibilities.

    So if Brady did not know McNally’s name, then how is he supposed to know anything else about him from that point on – the answer will continue to be no which is completely logical.

    JJ later said Brady knew McNally and his role, but he did not say that Brady knew him as “Jim McNally”.

    So I really don’t see how a reasonable person could come to the conclusion that Brady lied – the flow and timing of the questions and answers all seems very logical given the circumstances.

  260. limakey says:
    Aug 9, 2016 12:45 PM

    Snark, a few problems with your post. The “Burt” came from the WellsReportIn Context written and produced by the Patriots. Brady has always been steadfat that he did not know Jim Mcnally period. He said it in the Wells Report and he again he said it in his appeals hearing. He was shown a picture of Mcnally and said he only knew the face.
    ——-

    upon what documentation do you base this?

    WR page 129 Brady did not know McNally’s NAME (my emphasis)

    pages 82, 123, and 139 of the appeal transcript: all say Brady knew McNally by face.

    I could not find anywhere in the WR where Brady was shown a picture of McNally, and it is definitely not in the appeal transcript because Brady said he knew McNally by face, so why would they even bother to show him a picture?

    So either provide a source for your claim here (as I have for mine) or admit you made this up. Then we can proceed to the next issue you bring up with me. But this is the starting point.

  261. luckyforus says:
    Aug 9, 2016 1:00 PM

    luckyforus says: Aug 9, 2016 11:25 AM So why did Brady lie to Wells and Goodell under oath? Can someone please explain that? ============================= Something that has been answered twice in this thread alone. ================================

    Nope, never been answered.

    And I’m not going to respond any more on specific incidences of circumstantial evidence. Again, the conclusion was based on the totality of the evidence, not one specific incidence.

    ……

    You have never answered the simplest question on this. Why would Brady freely admit to discussing PSI with Schoenfeld and Jastremski but say he didn’t remember doing so with McNally, if he was lying? If this was some grand conspiracy, Brady wouldn’t have denied discussing PSI with any Pats employee? It doesn’t help his case at all to admit talking to some equipment guys and not others if he is trying to hide some secret from the league. The only logical reason is because Brady was telling the truth. Your quotes are through the filter of Wells who obviously was working backwards from a set conclusion in the investigation and from Goodell who had his lawyers lie in open court for him. Why hitch your argument to that post when there is PROOF of Goodell lying (see appeal decision vs. transcript) yet with Brady it is two people remembering something differently (not proof of anything). Your point of saying Brady lied did nothing to help his case, so why would he do it? It makes no sense.

  262. justbegbaby says:
    Aug 5, 2016 12:52 PM

    To all the Fan Boy Goodell Haters:

    Get your facts straight. Spygate was about the filming of meeting rooms in the visitors facilities and the hotel rooms of visiting teams. No fewer than 9 visiting teams (Bengals, Jets, Giants, Steelers, Rams, Bears, Jaguars, Cardinals and Raiders) had found various audio and video devices hidden and active in their meeting spaces, locker rooms, hotel rooms and at least one time, the team bus.

    Patriots spied and lied and tricked and cheated at every opportunity, and if it had been 10 years later it would have all been leaked so easily, but with Goodell’s help they cover Spygate up, and we never saw it on youtube or wikileaks or TMZ. He destroyed the tapes before the NFL requested them.

    Then an associate of Bill Belichek’s longtime assistant and friend got busted trying to buy a playbook from a former player on a division rival, but again, Goodell to the rescue, and the whole thing goes away, probably because the guy they busted was a former marine turned firefighter and the NFL would look bad hammering him to bring down Belichek.

    Up til then, it seemed at least that it was only Bellichek who was a scheming underhanded cheater, but then the league caught wind of a conspiracy to doctor game balls, headed not by Bellichek but by Tom “Our Precious” Brady, and Goodell could no longer shield the Patriots from the wrath of 31 owners who were sick and tired of being continually cheated by one of their business partners. He tried to negotiate a win-win but Brady’s arrogance would not allow him to compromise for the benefit of all involved, and thus subjected the league and the country to 18 months of drama and noise.

    The funny part is that Goodell is one of the people Patriots blame for everything, when he was actually their greatest ally.

    Patriots have been proven to be systematic, habitual, premeditated, unflinching cheaters, going back to the earliest days of Bunko Bill Belichek’s tenure there. And despite all the whining crying screaming stomping breath-holding pants-peeing tantrums thrown by Patriots fans, Tom Brady will will never shed the taint that has washed over him and he will go down not as the Greatest of all Time but as just another cheater to get shamed in front of the world. He can retire to Cheat Island with Lance Armstrong, Pete Rose and Barry Bonds, three other jerks who achieved more in their sports than Brady did in his.

    Tommy, you made your bed, now you get to sleep in it.

    ..

    Wow you really like fabricated, unsubstantiated and retracted BS don’t you? Sources please? People like underdogs and then turn on them once they win too much and become the juggernauts. I’d probably hate the Pats too if I didn’t grow up with them. But I also wouldn’t just make stuff up or decide science occasionally doesn’t exist.

  263. luckyforus says:
    Aug 9, 2016 12:47 PM

    I admit the process wasn’t perfect and there were many mistakes but I think that’s why Wells came to the conclusion that Brady was generally aware instead of saying he definitely did it. I still believe with the totality of the evidence Brady did it.

    Can you admit there’s a lot of circumstantial evidence supporting Brady did it?

    ———

    first…the (flawed) process didn’t end when the Wells Report was released. Brady’s side didn’t get access to any of the evidence that Wells used against him other than the Exponent Report. He only got Wells’ assessment of the evidence. Not the same.

    I will agree that the circumstances that Wells assumed for pieces of evidence do appear suspicious. But is that all? Is there more we don’t know? Were there other texts between the ones where Wells connects the dots on his own.

    What exactly was Jastremski’s testimony? Wells doesn’t elaborate much on it…..he spent pages describing the process of preparing a football (which is really irrelevant, wouldn’t you agree?) but has virtually nothing on the testimony of Brady and Jastremski. Where’s the context?

    That is what troubles me a lot about the WR….he goes into great detail about a lot of things, many of them which are really insignificant, but then leaves out a lot of the context and detail that should be surrounding the key points and people in this.

    There is more about what Blandino and Riveron said than what Brady said.

    I’m willing to keep an open mind and consider whatever evidence there is…..but we really haven’t seen very much of it. All we’ve seen is Wells’ interpretation of it.

  264. luckyforus says:
    Aug 9, 2016 1:00 PM
    luckyforus says: Aug 9, 2016 11:25 AM So why did Brady lie to Wells and Goodell under oath? Can someone please explain that?

    Nope, never been answered.
    ================================
    Dude. 345 just laid out 3-4 previous posts that answer that very question ?!?!?!?!

  265. limakey says:
    Aug 9, 2016 12:45 PM
    Snark, a few problems with your post. The “Burt” came from the WellsReportIn Context written and produced by the Patriots. Brady has always been steadfat that he did not know Jim Mcnally period. He said it in the Wells Report and he again he said it in his appeals hearing. He was shown a picture of Mcnally and said he only knew the face. When told that JJ said he knew Jim McNally’s name and his job, again Brady denied knowing his name or his job. He only knew his face. See the problem here, JM, JJ and even the Pats have said that Brady knew who McNally was, even if only by nickname but Brady insists that they are all liars and he only knew the face. See the problem here? So need I ask who you believe is the liar on this issue?
    ============================
    To quote 345 “you interpreting it as a lie is not necessarily the same as it being a lie.” If you actually read the rest of that post you might start to understand why. You continue to insist on conflating conversations between Brady and \JJ as proof he knew JM. It’s not your fault to be honest since the Wells report was crafted to make sure that happened.

    The Burt vs Bird contention was made available from the Context report via Brady’s interview. I suppose his Lawyer could be lying as well. But you need to get past the “suppose” to get to that point.

  266. The Colts footballs should have never been used as a control group for a comparison with the Patriots footballs. Especially only using a small sample size of 4 Colts footballs for the comparison.

    The Colts footballs were not treated the same as the Patriots footballs during the measuring process:
    The fact that the Colts 4 football were allowed to warm up indoors while 11 Patriots footballs were being measured twice should invalidate the results. The Colts footballs were allowed to sit indoors and warm up prior to being measured at the end of the halftime break. The NFL ran out of time at the end of the halftime break and that’s why they didn’t measure all 12 of the Colts footballs.

    The Colts footballs were not treated the same as the Patriots footballs prior to the game:
    The Colts were the visiting team so their footballs would have been exposed to outdoors temperatures during the travel to the stadium. A second reason that the Colts footballs should not qualify as a control group.

    The Colts footballs were not treated the same as the Patriots footballs during the game:
    The Colts footballs were used less in the 1st half of the game due to time of possession. This is a third reason that the Colts footballs should not have been used for a comparison. The Patriots were on offense longer which allowed the Patriots football to get wet due to the rain while the Colts footballs were being kept in a plastic bag.

    When things get wet they get colder due to evaporative cooling. Wet footballs warm up slower than dry footballs which goes back to the measuring process. Also tests have been performed which show that the volume of footballs increases by up to 3% when the footballs are wet. This means that the air that was compressed into a smaller container is now held in a slightly larger container so the pressure drops.

    The NFL recognized that using only 4 footballs as a comparison with the Patriots footballs was insufficient. The NFL then decided to collect PSI measurements during the 2015 season. The NFL collected PSI information during the 2015 season.

    That PSI information is still being kept secret because it shows what everyone that understands science already knows. The weather explains the deflation of the Patriots footballs. It’s easier for the NFL to keep that information secret and let all the duped people argue nonsense while ignoring the fact that science explains the deflation.

  267. luckyforus says: Aug 9, 2016 1:00 PM luckyforus says: Aug 9, 2016 11:25 AM So why did Brady lie to Wells and Goodell under oath? Can someone please explain that?

    Nope, never been answered. ================================ Dude. 345 just laid out 3-4 previous posts that answer that very question ?!?!?!?!

    ===============================

    Nope 345 is making a far fetched assumption. Try again.

    >

  268. I will agree that the circumstances that Wells assumed for pieces of evidence do appear suspicious. But is that all? Is there more we don’t know? Were there other texts between the ones where Wells connects the dots on his own.

    What exactly was Jastremski’s testimony? Wells doesn’t elaborate much on it…..he spent pages describing the process of preparing a football (which is really irrelevant, wouldn’t you agree?) but has virtually nothing on the testimony of Brady and Jastremski. Where’s the context?

    That is what troubles me a lot about the WR….he goes into great detail about a lot of things, many of them which are really insignificant, but then leaves out a lot of the context and detail that should be surrounding the key points and people in this.

    There is more about what Blandino and Riveron said than what Brady said.

    I’m willing to keep an open mind and consider whatever evidence there is…..but we really haven’t seen very much of it. All we’ve seen is Wells’ interpretation of it.

    ===========================

    Brady could have questioned Jastremski and McNally after the Wells report came out and called them to testify at the Goodell hearing if they had texts or statements that contradicted Wells. See if Brady was innocent he would have acted differently

    >

  269. BZZZZ wrong answer Brady’s side could NOT make them testify. As like TB they are Pats employees. The best Brady and even Goodell could do is strongly state their wishes. But the Pats Jastremski McNally could tell them no.

  270. JJ later said Brady knew McNally and his role, but he did not say that Brady knew him as “Jim McNally”.

    So I really don’t see how a reasonable person could come to the conclusion that Brady lied – the flow and timing of the questions and answers all seems very logical given the circumstances.

    ==============================

    Nope again. Brady clearly said he knew him only by face. This means he did not know his name or nickname. JJ clearly contradicted that by saying Brady knew McNally.

    >

  271. Rolf, Spygate has had a direct impact on how Deflategate was handled. Spygate is often thought to be just a one game incident and it was only about video taping hand signals from the “wrong location”. Spygate included the Pats having an extra radio frequency that gave the qb a live feed through out the play. Where he was literally told the adjustments to make, what defense he would be facing and could be told where a receiver was open. It also included the Pats stealing other steams playbooks and audibles. Roger Goodell knew immediately how bad this was going to be, he knew that the foundation of the NFL was at statke. He thenpersonally ran a campaign to down play spygate. He destroyed evidence, made the claim that no game was influenced by it and no Superbowls were affected by it.

  272. luckyforus says:
    Aug 9, 2016 4:25 PM
    luckyforus says: Aug 9, 2016 1:00 PM luckyforus says: Aug 9, 2016 11:25 AM So why did Brady lie to Wells and Goodell under oath? Can someone please explain that?
    ===============================

    Nope 345 is making a far fetched assumption. Try again.
    ===============================
    Ummm … asked and answered. You don’t have to agree with it. You asked for an explanation and you got one. Truthfully that assumption is no more factual than Wells assuming Brady knew Wells. Just sayin.

  273. luckyforus says:
    Aug 9, 2016 4:28 PM

    See if Brady was innocent he would have acted differently

    ..

    Surprised you haven’t gone back to your favorite “body language” expert defense again. Still no answer to my question yet which is telling. Why would Brady admit to talking with Jastremski and Schoenfeld (who are higher up in the organization than McNally) about PSI if he was lying in this section of the transcript? It makes zero sense to admit to talking to two locker room supervisors and yet don’t remember talking to a lower level guy if you are trying to lie your way out of the situation. If Brady was lying he would have said he never spoke of PSI with any of them. Jastremski and Schoenfeld are more important than McNally so mentioning them is more meaningful. This is two people giving different versions of a story, hardly proof of anything. And yet you still have nothing to say about Goodell lying in court which could have got Paul Clement sanctioned by the NY Bar association. Or about the Ted Wells associate who represented the NFL at the appeal not recusing himself because of the massive conflict of interest which is another ethical breach of conduct.

  274. luckyforus says:
    Aug 9, 2016 4:28 PM

    Brady could have questioned Jastremski and McNally after the Wells report came out and called them to testify at the Goodell hearing if they had texts or statements that contradicted Wells. See if Brady was innocent he would have acted differently
    ===========================
    So your agument is Brady shoudl have called JJ\JM to have them repeat to Goodell whet they both told Wells that there was no scheme to deflate footballs? On what planet do you think they would change their stories?

  275. limakey says:
    Aug 9, 2016 4:46 PM
    Rolf, Spygate has had a direct impact on how Deflategate was handled. Spygate is often thought to be just a one game incident and it was only about video taping hand signals from the “wrong location”. Spygate included the Pats having an extra radio frequency that gave the qb a live feed through out the play. Where he was literally told the adjustments to make, what defense he would be facing and could be told where a receiver was open. It also included the Pats stealing other steams playbooks and audibles. Roger Goodell knew immediately how bad this was going to be, he knew that the foundation of the NFL was at statke. He thenpersonally ran a campaign to down play spygate. He destroyed evidence, made the claim that no game was influenced by it and no Superbowls were affected by it.
    ====================
    There is absolutely no evidence of the extra radio frequency, playbooks or audibles. Just return the book already. smh

    First and foremost Goodell has been proven right that no game was influenced by Spygate. The W\L record (regular and post -season combined) pre and post Spygate prove that to be true.

  276. limakey says:
    Aug 9, 2016 4:46 PM

    It also included the Pats stealing other steams playbooks
    ————————————————————-

    Except that didn’t happen.
    The whole notion of stolen playbooks being an explanation for a team trying to be successful first appeared in television shows made for children.

    In the NFL playbooks are not secret. Players and coaches routinely move from team to team due to this new concept called “free agency”. All the plays that every team ever ran can be watched on video recordings of those games.

    So even if players didn’t tell their new teams everything in the former team’s playbook, teams could create their own playbooks for every team in the league by having their analysts break down the plays from watching the film. Stolen playbooks are the boogey man for insecure football fans.

  277. limakey says:
    Aug 9, 2016 4:46 PM

    Spygate included the Pats having an extra radio frequency that gave the qb a live feed through out the play. Where he was literally told the adjustments to make, what defense he would be facing and could be told where a receiver was open.
    —————————————————————

    Except that you just made that up.

  278. Hey LimaKey have you ever driven around the Foxboro area ? Incl Rts 24, 495, and 1 and I95/rt 128 I have and have talked to people that have. I can tell you there are numerous dead zones there where calls get dropped.

  279. Wow, all the crazy theories are coming out now. I realize there are many opposing fans, players, coaches, owners, and many in the media (i.e. ESPN) who don’t like the Patriots and just love to throw things out there and hope they stick – like taping walk throughs, bugging locker rooms, headset issues, etc.

    But if you plan to do the same, please provide your source – otherwise, you are just wasting everyone’s time with unproven accusations.

  280. luckyforus says:
    Aug 9, 2016 9:07 AM

    Also the science argument doesn’t work either for Patriot fans as you can’t create the exact environmental conditions of game day in a lab. And not every football was exposed to the same exact conditions. All the footballs weren’t just sitting on the ground like a car with 4 tires. Footballs were being used, toweled dry, in the bag, etc.
    —————————-

    So, if you don’t know for sure the pressure of the footballs started out at, and you are unable to recreate the environmental conditions of the AFC Championship game in a lab, why would you automatically assume that the Patriots must have deflated the footballs? Especially when you have two gauges that vary so widely in their readings.

    A reasonable person, with integrity, would come to the conclusion that there was not enough evidence to conclude that there was deliberate tampering with the footballs.

    The NFL painted themselves into a corner when they leaked the lie that 11 of the 12 footballs used by the Patriots were 2PSI below regulation. All they could do at that point is continue with the fraud.

    If they hadn’t of lied right off the bat, they would have been able to backtrack and admitted that the information was inconclusive, sent out a memo reminding teams what the air pressure of the footballs was supposed to be, and that would have been the end of it. But no, they decided to carry on with the fraud, and managed to dupe all of you bozos that post your hatred of the Patriots.

  281. Limakey did your Spygate book delve into the technical expertise needed to modify the helmet receiver to get the non-sanctioned frequency? That might be nice to know since they are configured for a specific frequency by the NFL frequency coordinators. Not to mention how an anomalous frequency would go undetected by those same coordinators. Either before the game when they sweep for unregistered devices and during where they have a frequency counter and a scanner/receiver.

  282. For the record, this is a portion of the transcript from the Roger Goodell press conference after he met with Matt Walsh regarding Spygate:

    “We were also able to verify that there was no Rams walk-through tape; no one asked him to tape the walk-through; he’s not aware of anybody else who may have taped the walk-through. He had not seen such a tape. He does not know of anybody who says there is a tape. He was in the building at the time of the walk-through, along with other Patriots video personnel. They were doing their job prior to the game. He, in fact, was even on the sidelines in his Patriots gear while the Rams were practicing. So it was clear that it was not an overt attack or addressing access into the Rams walk-through.

    In addition, he confirmed he was aware of no other violations of league policy by the Patriots or anybody associated with the Patriots. There was no bugging of locker rooms. There was no manipulating of communication systems. There were no crowd noise violations of anywhere that he was aware of. No miking of players to pick up opposing signals or audibles. So we were able to confirm that the Patriots had followed NFL policy as far as he knew other than the taping of coach’s signals.”

  283. luckyforus says: Aug 9, 2016 4:28 PM

    See if Brady was innocent he would have acted differently

    ..

    Surprised you haven’t gone back to your favorite “body language” expert defense again. Still no answer to my question yet which is telling. Why would Brady admit to talking with Jastremski and Schoenfeld (who are higher up in the organization than McNally) about PSI if he was lying in this section of the transcript? It makes zero sense to admit to talking to two locker room supervisors and yet don’t remember talking to a lower level guy if you are trying to lie your way out of the situation. If Brady was lying he would have said he never spoke of PSI with any of them. Jastremski and Schoenfeld are more important than McNally so mentioning them is more meaningful. This is two people giving different versions of a story, hardly proof of anything. And yet you still have nothing to say about Goodell lying in court which could have got Paul Clement sanctioned by the NY Bar association. Or about the Ted Wells associate who represented the NFL at the appeal not recusing himself because of the massive conflict of interest which is another ethical breach of conduct.

    ===============================

    The body language expert was a story on the Internet. Google it. Not really important and not even sure it’s factual. It was a side note that you guys are making a big deal of.

    Brady couldn’t say he discussed psi with McNally because he lied about knowing him.

    >

  284. Nope 345 is making a far fetched assumption. Try again. =============================== Ummm … asked and answered. You don’t have to agree with it. You asked for an explanation and you got one. Truthfully that assumption is no more factual than Wells assuming Brady knew Wells. Just sayin.

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    Only a delusional Patriot fan would assume this. >

  285. Aww the factually challenged. It is quite possible Brady was telling the truth about not knowing Jim M. He did state he knows him by face and calls him bird. I do know that Jim M rather dislikes that Brady calls him that and he doesn’t really like Tom B much. Also Jim M is a PT employee so Brady seems him for at best half the season(home games only Jim M does not travel with the team ) and some of the exhibition season

  286. luckyforus says:
    Aug 9, 2016 5:50 PM
    Only a delusional Patriot fan would assume this.
    =================
    At the very least you can stop with the nonsense of never being provided an explanation to your question.

    IMO, it would simply be easier to acknowledge the fact there is no explanation that could ever be presented to show Brady didn’t know the role of McNally. At least that way the lack of knowledge resides solely on your shoulders. LOL

  287. The NFL painted themselves into a corner when they leaked the lie that 11 of the 12 footballs used by the Patriots were 2PSI below regulation. All they could do at that point is continue with the fraud.
    ————————

    The “Brady’s guilty” crowd seems to consistently overlook this fact. The NFL lied to the public and also sent a letter with false information to the Patriots two days after the AFCCG. The league then proceeded to keep the true PSI numbers secret for 4+ months.

    Even though the league started out by deciding the Patriots were guilty immediately (and leaked false information to the media to promote this idea), people believe that the conclusions of the not-independent Wells investigation were not at all biased.

    Someone said “if Brady was innocent he would have acted differently.” If the NFL had real evidence wrongdoing, they would have acted differently, also.

  288. Except that you just made that up.
    ——————————–

    It makes you wonder what wouldn’t the tinfoil hat anti-Patriots haters believe.

    Just post in a football blog that you heard from an anonymous source:

    – That the field at Gillette stadium is designed to tilt a degree or two. That way, the opposing defense is literally running up hill while the Patriots offense has the advantage of running downhill.

    – That the Patriots employ mind control devices to cause opposing coaches to waste challenges and not manage the clock properly.

    – That the goalposts at Gillette are wired to bend slightly to allow “close” Patriots FGs to go in and opposing FGs to miss. They literally move the goal posts.

    In addition to your anonymous source, you can claim that the Patriots refused to comment and the conspiracy theorist will eat it up. Someone said it and the team didn’t deny it (Even if they did, it doesn’t matter. They’re liars.)? It must be 100% real. : )

  289. You’re contradicting yourself. It’s hard to keep track of lies and assumptions.

    Brady said to Wells and Goodell he only knew JM by face. Brady said nothing about a nickname. That came out later if Brady knew him by his nickname why didn’t he tell Wells and Goodell?

    Then you said JM rather dislikes Brady calling him that. If Brady called him by nickname then Brady knew him.

    Finally JM used to travel with the team and worked for the Patriots for 32 years. So JM was a part time employee who was there when Brady was drafted. Hmmm.

    >

  290. Yes Brady did know him but not well as he didn’t see him much. It was Jastremski that he knew cause he’d see him all season How sorry you are wrong and oh the last part is a lie part time employees dont travel with the team from what I know and McNally cant travel as he has a FT job as a beer distributor up in NH where he lives You accuse me of being contradictory then you lie? Oops

  291. I am in error Brady in this article seems to call him burt.
    BUt other than that digest this haters

    1. Tom Brady Didn’t Know “Burt”

    Mr. Brady said that until stories broke after the AFC Championship Game, he did not know Mr. McNally was responsible for taking footballs to (or from) the Officials’ Locker Room — and, in fact, did not know whether game or League officials carried the footballs to the field. When asked about Mr. McNally’s nickname, Mr. Brady insisted that it was “Burt” not “Bird” — that was how little he knew about him even by the time of his interview.

    Tedy Bruschi said it best when he said that players don’t know McNally by his name- if they know him, they know his nickname of “Bird.” Brady didn’t even know that much.

    The Wells Report notes that Brady signs autographs for McNally, to which the Patriots respond, he signs them for everyone. If everyone with a Brady autograph was suspicious, the entire New England region wishes it was banned from footbal- wait!

    2. Colts Cheated

    8. During the second quarter of the AFC Championship Game, a ball thrown by Tom Brady was intercepted by a player for the Colts and the ball was taken to the Colts sideline. On the sideline, Colts equipment personnel used a pressure gauge to measure the inflation level of the ball, determined that it was below the minimum 12.5 psi level and informed a game official and other NFL personnel.

    Once the game starts, neither team is allowed to gauge the footballs, pump them, or the like. That is solely the province of the referee, who is to be the “sole judge” of whether footballs comply. The Colts, with advance concerns about psi, did not take the issue to the referee. They took the matter into their own hands and had an intern gauge the football. (pg. 63) This conduct was in violation of Rule 2. Nowhere does the Report identify this conduct as a violation of the Rule.

    Formatted text is the Patriots response. Yes, it turns out that the Indianapolis Colts, by testing the intercepted football on the sideline, was in violation of the same exact rule that the Patriots are being crucified for. Sure, the circumstances were different- the ball wasn’t going back in play- but isn’t this about integrity?

    3. Text Context

    This is a long section that tries to provide context to Jim McNally’s text calling himself the deflator and that he was going to go to ESPN. Essentially, John Jastremski might have been taking shoes from the Patriots equipment room and giving them to McNally. These guys were probably stealing official gear from the team. They were not talking about rewards from deflating footballs- they were trying to take official Patriots gear. This explains all the talk about shoes.

    As for the “deflator” moniker, former Patriots player Matt Chatham explained that “there’s a long standing tradition of offseason weight-loss competitions between Patriots staff and coaches.” The nickname is ridiculous. So is the McNally calling Jastremski “Dorito Dink.” It’s all ridiculous.

    4. Interviews without Representation

    Patriots management had not yet been advised that an investigation had started, but Mr. McNally, having nothing to hide, talked freely to the League personnel without even asking if someone from the team should be there with him. The second and third interviews happened within the next several days. Again, Mr. McNally gave these interviews without any Patriots representative with him.

    His phone was offered to League personnel for imaging, but they advised that they did not need his phone. (His phone data was later provided to the Wells investigators upon their request and prior to their interview with him.) At his third interview with League Security personnel, he was subjected to very aggressive questioning and demeaning assertions that he was lying when he denied any knowledge of improper football deflation.

    McNally spoke with the NFL investigators three times without anyone from the Patriots with him. This is completely absurd, especially for a part time employee. If the league became hostile in their third meeting, then of course he wouldn’t want to meet with them any more than he had to.

    The icing on the cake, is that Wells and company had all of these texts prior to their meeting with McNally. Wells’ team stated, “The interviews will be arranged so that, barring unanticipated circumstances, there will not be future multiple interviews of the same person.” The Patriots did not deem Wells not reading his own information carefully enough as reason worthy of a second meeting, but were willing to relay individual questions if they wanted clarification.

    Essentially, the Patriots were docked a 1st and 4th round pick, as well as $1 million because Wells wasn’t a thorough reader.

    5. NFL refused to correct false info leaks and lied to the Patriots…

    “In fact, one of the game balls was inflated to 10.1 PSI, far below the requirement of 12.5 to 13.5 PSI” – NFL Senior Vice President of Football Operations David Gardi

    The above is what the league initially reported to the Patriots. This is what was leaked out to the world. This is 100% incorrect information.

    6. …and kept correct info away from the Patriots for two months.

    Patriots’ counsel also requested from the outset that he be provided with the actual halftime psi measurements. That information was not provided until March 23, over two months into the investigation. It was provided then only on the condition that it not be disclosed and, particularly, that it not be disclosed to the media until the final report was issued. This condition was imposed in the face of the extensively reported misinformation about halftime football psi that the League had refused to correct. One can only speculate why it was so important for the League that the accurate halftime information be withheld from the public until it was ultimately part of a report that downplayed the science and instead relied on selective texts.

    And even when the league knew the corrected information, they didn’t bother telling the Patriots or correcting the rumors on the streets. NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport announced that the information was false on February 1st, which was well before the league notified the Patriots. That’s completely unacceptable. And the league let the media run with the incorrect narrative while leaving one of their franchises hanging out to dry.

    Furthermore, the league clearly withheld the correct information from the Patriots, letting New England think of the 10.1 PSI level, throughout all of the interviews. It is more probable than not that this was a purposeful decision to use the wrong information to try and obtain an admission of guilt.

    7. Wells didn’t investigate the league’s leaks: the NFL investigated internally

    We learned last night from Ted that the issue of how League personnel handled the pursuit of the low psi issues, including whether there were inappropriate prejudgments and unfounded presumptions of wrongdoing, selective leaks of information and misinformation, failure to correct obviously misreported information, and the like, are not part of what the Paul Weiss firm has been asked to investigate. I understand that the League has opted to investigate those matters internally. – email between Patriots counsel and NFL’s VP Jeff Pash

    “Hey, Rog, can you handle this internal investigation?”

    “Sure…Hey everyone, did you leak info?”

    “Nope!”

    “Sounds good to me!”

    This is probably one of the more appalling facts. There was no attempt fair attempt to try and find out who was behind the leaks that harmed the Patriots, just like how Wells never interviewed Roger Goodell throughout the investigation.

    8. The security tapes show that the officials watched and allowed McNally to take balls out of the locker room and to the field

    Mr. McNally, a physically big man, hoisted two large bags of footballs and lumbered past all these League officials and out the door of the Officials’ Locker Room. As is clear from the report, no one objected; no one told him to stop; no one requested that he wait to be accompanied by a League official; no one told him that a League official had to carry the footballs to the field.

    After he walked past all of these League officials and out the door of the Officials’ Locker Room to the hallway, he then walked past James Daniel, an NFL official and one of the people who had been alerted to the Colts psi concerns pre-game (pg. 45). Mr. Daniel, as seen on the security video, looked at Mr. McNally carrying the bags of footballs toward the field unaccompanied by any League or game official, and made no objection to Mr. McNally continuing unaccompanied to the field.

    In short, if officials lost track of the location of game footballs, it was not because Mr. McNally stealthily removed them. (Omitted from the investigation were interviews with all those League officials whom Mr. McNally walked past with the bags of footballs on his shoulders.)

    Even after halftime, when obvious attention was being paid to game footballs and psi issues by League and game officials, who took control of the footballs at halftime, the security video shows Mr. McNally, with no objection, taking the footballs from the Officials’ Locker Room back to the field totally unaccompanied by any League or Game official.

    That’s a lot of text. Long story short, McNally had the footballs (with official Walt Anderson’s permission), walked towards the field, was spotted and not stopped by a person who was aware of the Colts request for focus on the footballs, and then he did it again after the measurements at halftime.

    No one cared. At all.

    9. League selectively listened to officials

    Once the footballs are taken to the field they are to be taken to the area adjacent to the replay booth. The outdoor security camera shows that is exactly what Mr. McNally did. Anyone actually concerned about the location of the game footballs could simply have checked that location. The security video shows Mr. Anderson coming out to the field and going there.

    Not surprisingly, he found Mr. McNally was there with the bags of footballs. No one then reprimanded Mr. McNally for having taken the footballs without permission or accompaniment, although the report would have one now believe that officials thought Mr. McNally had done something wrong by taking the footballs himself. No official chastised him; no one re-checked football psi; no official suggested using the back-up footballs.

    The Wells Report listened to the refs when they wanted to use context to show the Patriots broke protocol, or that they were acting in an unseemly matter. The refs absolutely knew the starting PSI of the footballs, and they definitely knew that McNally taking the footballs was something Anderson hadn’t seen in his 19 years as a ref, and of course they knew that Anderson had a tremendous memory.

    But they ignored the security tapes that shows McNally operating in the open without question. They ignored the security tapes that They ignored that Anderson forgot to approve a football, or which gauge was used before the game, or giving the Patriots 13 instead of 12 footballs.

    The Wells Report gives so much more credence to the testimonials of the officials, that they ignore the video and science right in front of them.

    10. This is all about less than half a PSI

    And the science. This scandal isn’t over multiple footballs 2+ PSI below the limit. We know that the Ideal Gas Law is responsible for the majority of the recorded “under”inflation. We know what the Patriots footballs were recorded at halftime and we know that the officials didn’t use any real care in the pregame football preparation.

    So we know that if the Patriots footballs were inflated to 12.5 PSI, we know that their pressure should have measured roughly 11.3-11.5. The Patriots footballs fit this measurement with one gauge. It was roughly 0.4 PSI below the limit with the other. (Editor’s note: reader Joe Little notes that the Patriots were only 0.2 PSI below the Ideal Gas Law range with the other gauge. So it’s not 0.4 PSI. It’s only 0.2 PSI.)

    0.4 PSI is absolutely nothing. This is what this scandal is about. This is the outcome. This is what the outrage is for.

    NFL, I hope you’re happy.

  292. Yes Brady did know him but not well as he didn’t see him much. It was Jastremski that he knew cause he’d see him all season How sorry you are wrong and oh the last part is a lie part time employees dont travel with the team from what I know and McNally cant travel as he has a FT job as a beer distributor up in NH where he lives You accuse me of being contradictory then you lie? Oops

    ============================== If Brady did know him but not well why did he tell Wells and Goodell he only knew him by face?

    It says in the Wells report that McNally used to travel with the team but no longer does. So how did I lie? It’s in a footnote around page 123 in the Wells report. I’m going by memory on the page. >

  293. 1. Tom Brady Didn’t Know “Burt”

    Mr. Brady said that until stories broke after the AFC Championship Game, he did not know Mr. McNally was responsible for taking footballs to (or from) the Officials’ Locker Room — and, in fact, did not know whether game or League officials carried the footballs to the field. When asked about Mr. McNally’s nickname, Mr. Brady insisted that it was “Burt” not “Bird” — that was how little he knew about him even by the time of his interview.

    ============================

    So if Brady knew him by Burt why did he testify to Wells and Goodell that he only knew him by face. He testified months after the AFCCG to Wells and Goodell. Maybe prior to the game he didn’t know JM’s real name but he did by the interviews so he should have testified that he knew JM but only knew him by Burt.

    The rest of your post is a regurgitation of the Patriots response. I’ve already read this homerism. >

  294. Rolf,to continue, Goodell then was able to get a few of their opponents to make public statements that the tapes had no effect of their teams losses to the Pats and they were satisfied with the leagues actions and discipline. In other words, Goodell went to the teams and told them the truth, with out their public support, congress is going call for an investigation, where, owners, coaches, staff and players are going to go under oath. The NFL will not be in control of the investigation and they will have subpena power. No one wanted that. Goodell further protected the Pats by basing his judgement that Bill Belichick told him he has been taping signals since 2000. While in the NFL declined to investigate prior years, they wanted to focus on the future and send a powerful message. From Spygate, we get the lower burden of proof for all future vilations against the integrity of the game and the public’s confidence. Which brings us to Deflategate.

  295. 3. Text Context

    This is a long section that tries to provide context to Jim McNally’s text calling himself the deflator and that he was going to go to ESPN. Essentially, John Jastremski might have been taking shoes from the Patriots equipment room and giving them to McNally. These guys were probably stealing official gear from the team. They were not talking about rewards from deflating footballs- they were trying to take official Patriots gear. This explains all the talk about shoes.

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    You don’t threaten to go to ESPN if you both are stealing shoes. Hilarious if someone believes that.

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  296. Limakey did your Spygate book delve into the technical expertise needed to modify the helmet receiver to get the non-sanctioned frequency? That might be nice to know since they are configured for a specific frequency by the NFL frequency coordinators.
    ———————————

    Are you serious? The conspiracy theorists don’t need to know about any technical expertise. Someone said something bad about the Patriots. That’s conclusive evidence to them.

    Here is the “evidence” of for the second frequency story:

    (From Dan Le Betard) “I’ve heard second hand about Doug Flutie being amazed when he got there that the plays were being piped into his helmet warning Brady what was coming.”

    Note, no quote from Flutie. Also, no mention of the 15 second cut off. In addition, no one has spoken with John Saunders, the person told Le Betard, or Flutie to clarify anything about this story. It’s been over 8 years.

    Also, an important detail that the truthers ignore is that the backup radio receiver helmets are not under team control. They are kept in a locked trunk with league employees who manage the sideline-to-helmet communications. There is very little chance one of these helmets was just lying around for someone to pick up.

    The other piece of evidence was a report from Chris Mortensen: “The league also was reviewing a possible violation into the number of radio frequencies the Patriots were using during Sunday’s game, sources said.”

    Again, that report says nothing about the 15 second cut off. “Possible” is also a key word here. That doesn’t mean something definitely happened, just that it might have happened and more investigation is necessary. The league did investigate and found no evidence of a violation.

    Lastly, Mortensen was the source of that story and, while he’s not always wrong, he’s also not always right. The “Vick won’t be indicted” and “Parcells is going to Atlanta” come to mind.

    That’s the only evidence for the whole “second frequency” story. Everything beyond that is either embellished, twisted, misquoted, or exaggerated by the Patriots haters.

  297. limakey, you are now talking about the original Spygate issue – filming coaches signals during a game from an unauthorized location.

    The following is from the NFL rulebook:
    “No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches’ booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game. All video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead.”

    What about the claims of the radio frequencies, stealing playbooks, etc. – are you saying those were part of Spygate? If so, I’ll ask again to please provide a source for your theories.

  298. Luckyforus……I laid out in great detail a plausible scenario on why I think Brady did not lie. Different people remembering different things based on how they viewed the other people involved. You may chose not to believe it, and that is fair. But that doesn’t mean your question wasn’t answered. You just choose not to be swayed by that answer.

  299. luckyforus says:
    Aug 9, 2016 5:49 PM

    The body language expert was a story on the Internet. Google it. Not really important and not even sure it’s factual. It was a side note that you guys are making a big deal of.

    Brady couldn’t say he discussed psi with McNally because he lied about knowing him.

    ………..

    You’ve brought up the body language expert in several threads as if its a legitimate point and now are backing up from it. It’s not a real point, it’s a pointless content filler device used by the media to fill time and to rehash old things in a new way.

    And you still didn’t answer my question, why would Brady lie about the McNally PSI conversation when it looks much worse for Brady to admit to discussing PSI with the people in charge of McNally? It makes no sense to lie there and doesn’t help him. The only lie that is effective there is if Brady denied any PSI conversation with any Pats employees. People lie to help their case. This didn’t help Brady’s case. Its a moot point and yet your in love with this toothless and proofless argument.

    And you fluctuate wildly between believing Jastremski and McNally with some points and yet disbelieve them at others. You can’t cherry pick credibility, especially with no backing proof.

    And you also seem to have complete faith in Wells and Goodell, both who have PROVEN credibility issues. Wells with his working with NFL atty. Pash and with Wells having a coworker represent the NFL at the appeal which is a massive conflict of interest along with the actual report which contained some strange editorializing. And you have no problem with Goodell, who had his attorneys lie in open court to a judge by directly falsifying Brady’s appeal testimony, and whose office leaked numerous lies to the media and yet jumped on any chance to correct other leaks about really mundane topics like the length of the appeal arguments.

  300. the funny part about the Wells Report is, that Wells allowed Pash to edit it, and then when people started connecting all the dots that Wells spread throughout the report and the WR was getting bashed, Wells whined to the league about it, looking for their support, and they bailed on him.

  301. You’ve brought up the body language expert in several threads as if its a legitimate point and now are backing up from it. It’s not a real point, it’s a pointless content filler device used by the media to fill time and to rehash old things in a new way.

    And you still didn’t answer my question, why would Brady lie about the McNally PSI conversation when it looks much worse for Brady to admit to discussing PSI with the people in charge of McNally? It makes no sense to lie there and doesn’t help him. The only lie that is effective there is if Brady denied any PSI conversation with any Pats employees. People lie to help their case. This didn’t help Brady’s case. Its a moot point and yet your in love with this toothless and proofless argument.

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    I only brought up the body language once. It’s something I read on the Internet so I am admitting I don’t know if it is factual and I’m certainly not basing any conclusions on this.

    Brady admitted to discussing psi with the people in charge of JM because they are responsible for the prep of the footballs. JM had no role in prepping the balls. He was a caretaker. And Brady couldn’t admit discussing psi with someone he only claims to know by face. Brady was distancing himself from the guy that deflated the footballs. It’s been proven that Brady knew him by at least his nickname and JJ clearly contradicted Brady on both knowing JM and Brady knowing his role. That’s 2 clear contradictions. Where’s the gray area?

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  302. Fireroger, According to Tom’s own statements it makes no sense that he did not know Jim McNally and what his job was. How many times has Brady said how intense he was on ball prep? In fact, he and Manning led the way to change the rule that teams could prepare their gameballs to the qb’s likes. That every qb was different. Then say that after he selects the gameballs, he wants no one touching them. So when asked if he knew who Jim M was and what his job was, why didn’t he say yes? Example, Yes, I know who Jim is and what his job was and I completely trust him. Launch into his speech and then say hetrusts Jim to protect the balls he has selected. And then say, due to a Jets games, when the balls were overblown, I became upset. I wanted to read the rule and I did tell Jim to please tell the ref that he wanted the balls at 12.5.

  303. I only brought up the body language once. It’s something I read on the Internet so I am admitting I don’t know if it is factual and I’m certainly not basing any conclusions on this.

    Brady admitted to discussing psi with the people in charge of JM because they are responsible for the prep of the footballs. JM had no role in prepping the balls. He was a caretaker. And Brady couldn’t admit discussing psi with someone he only claims to know by face. Brady was distancing himself from the guy that deflated the footballs. It’s been proven that Brady knew him by at least his nickname and JJ clearly contradicted Brady on both knowing JM and Brady knowing his role. That’s 2 clear contradictions. Where’s the gray area?
    ……….

    It doesn’t help Brady’s case at all to lie about the discussion of JM and PSI…

    Why is that hard to understand?

    What would be Brady’s motivation?

    McNally is under JJ and Schoenfeld. If there was a scheme to cover up, Brady gains absolutely nothing from only lying about a McNally/PSI discussion. McNally could easily have got Brady orders from JJ or Schoenfeld to deflate the balls and never have heard it directly from Brady. That would be the plausible conclusion Wells or Goodell would have come to (all the other issues with the NFL’s case aside). It makes zero difference if McNally heard directly from Brady or not. Sorry to eating your lunch man, but you need to show a little more proof and reasonable motivation on Brady’s part.

  304. Doesn’t Tom sayiny yes he knew McNally, knew what his job was and trusted him, eliminate the conflicting testimony? Doesn’t give a reason why McNally took the balls with him into the bathroom? Right now, Brady has left us with I don’t know how the balls get to the refs, I don’t know who tells the ref what ball pressure I like, I don’t know how the balls get to the field all based on his denials. Then to make matters worse, Brady has said that he asked both men if they did anything to the balls, they both said no and he believed them and that was that. Well how can he take the word of man who he claims he doesn’t know, doesn’t even know what his job is? If you were Brady, would you take the word of a man you claimed you didn’t know if your reputation was on the line?

  305. Brady has never said he “only” knew McNally by face. The Wells Report has no quote on this from Brady….it characterizes Brady as not knowing McNally’s name. It does not discuss anything about nicknames (I speculate that was intended).

    In the appeal transcript, twice, when Brady was asked about knowing McNally’s name (at the time of the AFCCG) the questioner asked Brady if he knew McNally’s face, to which he answered “Yes”. The third time the questioning went like this:P

    Q. And so, you will see that this says, “Result
    of search for text messages during relevant time
    period based on AT&T phone records.”
    Do you see that?

    A. Yes.

    Q. And the first one says, “McNally, there are no text messages between Brady and McNally.”
    Does that recall with your recollection that
    you never texted Mr. McNally for anything?

    A. Correct.

    Q. In fact, you didn’t know him?

    A. Correct, well just by face.

    Q. Right. And you didn’t have any relationship
    with Mr. McNally; is that fair?

    A. I mean, he worked in the equipment room. So
    you know, other than saying “hi” or, “Good to see
    you” or something like that.

    Brady is acknowledging that he recognizes who McNally is and likely greeted him from time to time. He denies having any relationship with McNally. Nobody asked Brady if he knew McNally by any other name.

    Brady could have added that he thought the guy’s name was Burt or Bert….but what difference does that make? It doesn’t. It is irrelevant. He acknowledges he recognizes the guy and knows he works in the equipment room.

    You guys are twisting the truth a bit when you say “Brady claims he only knew McNally by face”

  306. limakey says:
    Aug 10, 2016 12:26 PM
    Doesn’t Tom sayiny yes he knew McNally, knew what his job was and trusted him, eliminate the conflicting testimony? Doesn’t give a reason why McNally took the balls with him into the bathroom? Right now, Brady has left us with I don’t know how the balls get to the refs, I don’t know who tells the ref what ball pressure I like, I don’t know how the balls get to the field all based on his denials. Then to make matters worse, Brady has said that he asked both men if they did anything to the balls, they both said no and he believed them and that was that. Well how can he take the word of man who he claims he doesn’t know, doesn’t even know what his job is? If you were Brady, would you take the word of a man you claimed you didn’t know if your reputation was on the line?
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    As usual, you’re assuming Brady talked to both. IIRC, there are only text\logs between TB and JJ. There has never been any evidence at all to suggest\prove TB spoke to JM about anything.

    If Brady masterminded the ball deflation there would be no need to ask either if they did anything to the balls. He would have already ordered them to do so.

    If the right gauges were used everybody would be assuming McNally just took a whiz.

  307. McNally is under JJ and Schoenfeld. If there was a scheme to cover up, Brady gains absolutely nothing from only lying about a McNally/PSI discussion. McNally could easily have got Brady orders from JJ or Schoenfeld to deflate the balls and never have heard it directly from Brady. That would be the plausible conclusion Wells or Goodell would have come to (all the other issues with the NFL’s case aside). It makes zero difference if McNally heard directly from Brady or not. Sorry to eating your lunch man, but you need to show a little more proof and reasonable motivation on Brady’s part.

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    I’m pointing out the clear contradiction. Brady is distancing himself from the guy who actually deflated the balls. His motivation is to not get caught. He couldn’t distance himself from JJ and Schoenfeld because they clearly had ball prep jobs. JM was only a caretaker of the balls. >

  308. limakey says:
    Aug 10, 2016 12:06 PM
    Fireroger, According to Tom’s own statements it makes no sense that he did not know Jim McNally and what his job was. How many times has Brady said how intense he was on ball prep? In fact, he and Manning led the way to change the rule that teams could prepare their gameballs to the qb’s likes. That every qb was different. Then say that after he selects the gameballs, he wants no one touching them. So when asked if he knew who Jim M was and what his job was, why didn’t he say yes? Example, Yes, I know who Jim is and what his job was and I completely trust him. Launch into his speech and then say hetrusts Jim to protect the balls he has selected. And then say, due to a Jets games, when the balls were overblown, I became upset. I wanted to read the rule and I did tell Jim to please tell the ref that he wanted the balls at 12.5.
    ======================
    JJ was responsible for ball prep. And he told JJ to make sure the refs knew about his PSI preference. Not JM. If JM wants to insist that Brady told him about his PSI preference via the note he gave to JJ that’s fine. But that doesn’t mean Brady knew what his role was.

  309. 345snarkavenue says:
    Aug 10, 2016 10:41 AM
    some people will never come to grips with the fact that the “totality of the evidence” has shifted greatly since the Wells Report was first released.
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    THIS !!!!

  310. luckyforus says:
    Aug 10, 2016 1:01 PM

    I’m pointing out the clear contradiction. Brady is distancing himself from the guy who actually deflated the balls. His motivation is to not get caught. He couldn’t distance himself from JJ and Schoenfeld because they clearly had ball prep jobs. JM was only a caretaker of the balls. >
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    Which would make sense if the scheme to deflate the balls existed solely between Brady and JM. Meaning JJ and Schoenfeld (the two people involved in ball prep) knew nothing of the scheme.

  311. And you fluctuate wildly between believing Jastremski and McNally with some points and yet disbelieve them at others. You can’t cherry pick credibility, especially with no backing proof.

    ——–
    that is a consistent trait in many of these comments trying to nail Brady to a cross.

    however, I’d like to thank luckyforus and limakey for Wells Report, as I noticed something I’ve never noticed before.

    Page 97…..Wells is talking about Kravitz’s tweets the night of the AFCCG and says Kravitz’s second tweet was:

    “I‟m told at one point the officials took a ball out of play and weighed it. Should hear more tomorrow on this subject.”

    WEIGHED it? Now who would have told him that?

  312. And you fluctuate wildly between believing Jastremski and McNally with some points and yet disbelieve them at others. You can’t cherry pick credibility, especially with no backing proof.

    =============================

    No I am only reporting what JJ and JM said regarding Brady knowing JM and his role. Also the psi discussion with Brady but I recognize it was denied by JM.

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  313. some people will never come to grips with the fact that the “totality of the evidence” has shifted greatly since the Wells Report was first released.
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    That and the “totality of the evidence” really only adds up against the Patriots if you decided they were guilty before looking at the evidence.

  314. Fireroger, nice try. I never said that there were tet between them. You know for a fact that McNally told NFL security that Tom Brady told him personally what his ball peference was. The fact that he later claims that he never said that does not make it false. It makes it look like that he was told to deny that to cover for Brady. However, you still have the fact that JJ said that Tom Brady not only knew Jim’s name but what his official title was. Read, The Deflategate Report makes Tom Brady Look Very, Very Involved. Even says how hurt JM was by Tom’s apparent take on his duties.

  315. John, it has been proven Pat fans decided he was innocent even before they saw the evidence. And what proves this? Like believing JM called himself the deflator because of his weight. JM was going to ESPN for to reveal he was getting stolen gear from JJ. And how about the not knowing what was meant by, ‘the only thing that is deflating on sun. is his pass rating’.

  316. limakey says:
    Aug 10, 2016 5:01 PM
    John, it has been proven Pat fans decided he was innocent even before they saw the evidence.
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    Exactly how it should be.

  317. Fireroger, correct, however, a fair minded person who truly read and understood all the evidence could only conclude that Brady was involved, he obstucted an investigation and he committed perjury. A fair minded person would see that from the very outset the Patriots Response and Brady’s actions and words were because they knew they were again caught red handed cheating not only their opponents but true footballs who just love the game.

  318. limakey says:
    Aug 10, 2016 6:58 PM
    …a fair minded person who truly read and understood all the evidence could only conclude that Brady was involved
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    Only one judge was willing to include and listen to all the key details. So then you would not consider Judge Berman to be a “fair minded” person?

    The second circuit judges exercised a very short appeal hearing, and only concluded that Judge Berman overstepped his bounds relative to the CBA.

    If this was a trial, it would be thrown out very early in the process – this only reached the point it’s at because Goodell acted as judge, jury, and then arbitrator and needed to justify his predetermined conclusion.

  319. luckyforus says:
    Aug 10, 2016 1:29 PM

    And you fluctuate wildly between believing Jastremski and McNally with some points and yet disbelieve them at others. You can’t cherry pick credibility, especially with no backing proof.

    =============================

    No I am only reporting what JJ and JM said regarding Brady knowing JM and his role. Also the psi discussion with Brady but I recognize it was denied by JM.

    =============================

    Yet more selective credibility on your part. You havent answered the simple question your argument is begging, Are JJ and JM credible or not? You are claiming both at once. And furthermore are Wells and Goodell credible?

  320. Veddermn8

    Yet more selective credibility on your part. You havent answered the simple question your argument is begging, Are JJ and JM credible or not? You are claiming both at once. And furthermore are Wells and Goodell credible?

    ==============================

    No JJ and JM are not credible, but that doesn’t mean they lied about every detail.

    You lie to help your case and JJ stating Brady knew JM and his role when clearly Brady is distancing himself from JM does not help Brady. So why would JJ lie about this? Brady is lying to help his case. And it’s very clear this was a significant point because not only Wells put it in the summary of his report but Goodell asked it. And then upon redirect by Kessler he confirmed it with Brady that Brady only knew his face when we know Brady clearly knew him as Bird or Burt. Teddy Bruschi said everyone knew him as Bird. JM used to travel with the team and has worked for the Pats 32 years and Brady only knows his face and doesn’t know his role. Not believable.

    Further if Brady said yes I know him and his role and JJ said the opposite then Brady would be believable.

    So JJ, JM and TB are not credible overall.

    As far as RG and Wells. I don’t believe either one of them conducted a witch hunt. I genuinely believe they wanted a fair process. Did they make mistakes? Yes but it doesn’t change the conclusion. There’s too much circumstantial evidence. So yes, Wells and Goodell are credible because I believe they came up with the right conclusion.

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  321. ____ Only one judge was willing to include and listen to all the key details. So then you would not consider Judge Berman to be a “fair minded” person?

    The second circuit judges exercised a very short appeal hearing, and only concluded that Judge Berman overstepped his bounds relative to the CBA.

    If this was a trial, it would be thrown out very early in the process – this only reached the point it’s at because Goodell acted as judge, jury, and then arbitrator and needed to justify his predetermined conclusion.

    ===========================

    Berman’s role was to opine on the CBA and Goodell’s power. Not if Brady was guilty.

    If this was a trial then everyone’s records and phones, etc. would have been subpoenaed and JJ and JM would have been called to testify.

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  322. Vedderman, JJ, JM, TB and Robert Kraft have zero credibility. Commisioner Goodell and Ted Wells have credibility. However, it is obvious that the selective credibility is all on the Pats side.

  323. limakey says:
    Aug 10, 2016 6:58 PM
    Fireroger, correct, however, a fair minded person who truly read and understood all the evidence could only conclude that Brady was involved, he obstucted an investigation and he committed perjury. A fair minded person would see that from the very outset the Patriots Response and Brady’s actions and words were because they knew they were again caught red handed cheating not only their opponents but true footballs who just love the game.
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    Nobody is disagreeing with you on the point of understanding the evidence. What is being argued is the impartiality and the flawed process of gathering that evidence. The fabricated science in the Wells report is a joke and any fair minded person would see that by now. Arguing otherwise only proves narrow mindedness.

    You can’t claim Brady obstructed anything based on a cell phone we wasn’t obligated to provide. Sheesh. Uncooperative, maybe (arguably). It’s fine if you want to call Brady’s credibiility into question based on his supposed perjury. So long as you understand the longer history of the NFL in doing the exact same thing. How anybody can believe anything the NFL touches at this point is laughable at best.

  324. limakey says:
    Aug 11, 2016 9:31 AM
    Vedderman, JJ, JM, TB and Robert Kraft have zero credibility. Commisioner Goodell and Ted Wells have credibility. However, it is obvious that the selective credibility is all on the Pats side.
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    That is beyond hilarious. At best you could argue neither have credibility. I’ll just leave it at that.

  325. Whoever thinks the NFL has credibility answer me this when that now known to be erroneous report of 11 of 12 Pats ball came out why didn’t the NFL correct it? Also it was leaked so why didn’t the NFL investigate the leak? Sorry those who think the NFL has any credibility are adorable sheep easily fleeced

  326. Oh as for whether the Pats have lied I don’t answer that question as this investigation started on state sponsored rule breaking to catch another team’s alleged rule breaking.

  327. Fireroger, Because of Spygate, after saving your organization’s cheating ass, he implemented several new rules to protect the integrity of the game and the public’s confidence in the game. His handling of Deflategte proves it. Just because Wells had the nerve to point out TB is a liar and a cheat, is no reason to say he is not credible.

  328. limakey says:
    Aug 11, 2016 9:31 AM
    Vedderman, JJ, JM, TB and Robert Kraft have zero credibility. Commisioner Goodell and Ted Wells have credibility.
    ____________________________

    Wow – not sure anything else needs to be said here….

  329. when someone says that Wells and Goodell are credible….then there’s no sense arguing any further.

    Both have been shredded.

    Though I do have one question, which I asked before and the Wells/Goodell backers have avoided answering:

    If both Wells and Goodell are so credible, why didn’t Goodell allow Brady’s team access to the investigative notes and allow Pash to testify? Goodell already had his “destroyed phone” excuse and thus the ability to move the goalposts at that point.

    So, why did Goodell deny the notes and Pash’s testimony?

  330. luckyforus says:
    Aug 11, 2016 9:20 AM

    Veddermn8

    Yet more selective credibility on your part. You havent answered the simple question your argument is begging, Are JJ and JM credible or not? You are claiming both at once. And furthermore are Wells and Goodell credible?

    ==============================

    No JJ and JM are not credible, but that doesn’t mean they lied about every detail.

    You lie to help your case and JJ stating Brady knew JM and his role when clearly Brady is distancing himself from JM does not help Brady. So why would JJ lie about this? Brady is lying to help his case. And it’s very clear this was a significant point because not only Wells put it in the summary of his report but Goodell asked it. And then upon redirect by Kessler he confirmed it with Brady that Brady only knew his face when we know Brady clearly knew him as Bird or Burt. Teddy Bruschi said everyone knew him as Bird. JM used to travel with the team and has worked for the Pats 32 years and Brady only knows his face and doesn’t know his role. Not believable.

    Further if Brady said yes I know him and his role and JJ said the opposite then Brady would be believable.

    So JJ, JM and TB are not credible overall.

    As far as RG and Wells. I don’t believe either one of them conducted a witch hunt. I genuinely believe they wanted a fair process. Did they make mistakes? Yes but it doesn’t change the conclusion. There’s too much circumstantial evidence. So yes, Wells and Goodell are credible because I believe they came up with the right conclusion.
    ……………….

    Thank you kindly for making my point. (but calling me a liar was a little rude). Have a nice day!

  331. limakey says:
    Aug 11, 2016 10:49 AM
    Fireroger, I bet you can’t give 10 realistic reasons why anyone should give Tom Brady, JJ and JM credibility.
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    The best way to judge credibility is to look at ones past history:

    Brady – what has he ever done in the past that would create questions about his credibility? You may not like him for various ‘football’ reasons, but I cannot recall anytime that he has not been up front and honest.

    Tell Wells – start with Bountygate and Bullygate. These all have a very common and familiar theme – his ultimate task was to confirm the NFL’s predetermined conclusion, not to find the truth. Given all we now know, do you think with his track record he will ever be able to do another investigation for the NFL?

    Goodell – not even sure where to start, maybe the Ray Rice fiasco/video tape…but just google this one for lots of good reading.

  332. The best way to judge credibility is to look at ones past history:

    Brady – what has he ever done in the past that would create questions about his credibility? You may not like him for various ‘football’ reasons, but I cannot recall anytime that he has not been up front and honest.

    Tell Wells – start with Bountygate and Bullygate. These all have a very common and familiar theme – his ultimate task was to confirm the NFL’s predetermined conclusion, not to find the truth. Given all we now know, do you think with his track record he will ever be able to do another investigation for the NFL?

    Goodell – not even sure where to start, maybe the Ray Rice fiasco/video tape…but just google this one for lots of good reading.

    ==============================

    Up until deflate gate Brady was credible. We found out he wasn’t and we know this wasn’t the first time he deflated balls. It’s the first time he was caught. So our belief he was credible was false.

    In Bounty gate, bully gate and Rice gate they were all guilty. Was the process perfect? No. Were there mistakes? Yes. I don’t think Goodell or Wells had any intentions of being unfair or having predetermined agendas in any of these cases. Goodell is responsible for the integrity of the game. He makes mistakes. Cheaters are blaming the process because they were found guilty and aren’t happy with their suspensions. Memo to these guys. Don’t cheat, beat, or bully and you have nothing to worry about.

    The system can be improved going forward but at the end of the day admit your guilt and serve your suspension and learn from it.

    >

  333. 345, I believe the reasons given were it was work product and they were not obligated to turn it over. I can’t remember the reason given for Pash. However, I do remember Commission Goodell made the offer of stopping the procedures if they wanted to “appeal” (for lack of a better term” his decision. Brady’s team refused the offer. So the real question is why didn’t Brady’s team appeal.

  334. work product is just an excuse. it is not a credible reason. work product is the result of the work done, using the evidence, to build a case for litigation. it is not the evidence itself. testimony by all the people interviewed as part of the investigation is evidence. not work product.

    Wells, Pash and the NFL have blurred the line between work product and evidence. Purposely, for their benefit.

    It’s really ridiculous.

    as far as Goodell offering to stop the process for an appeal…..I’d love to see a source for that one.

  335. every hear the phrase garbage in, garbage out?

    a flawed system produces a flawed result.

    I’ll ask you this: If Wells thought Brady was involved in inappropriate activities, why didn’t his conclusion say just that: “We find Brady to more probably than not be involved in a scheme to deflate footballs”

    he didn’t come to that conclusion though….and all he need was to lean 1% over the midpoint in order to determine that.

    What Wells found was that Brady was more probably than not generally aware that someone else ran a scheme to deflate footballs.

    He can’t even come to the conclusion that it was more probable than not that Brady was involved in the scheme….otherwise he would have said exactly that. But he didn’t.

    Why not?

  336. Tee hee 🙂

    Patriot Hater sure is persistent. Obviously as a result of not being bright enough to realize they are being absolutely beaten to shreds in this argument.

    🙂

  337. Another point that is conveniently ignored in the whole psigate fiasco, is that the NFL has absolutely no statistical data with which to make any conclusions about footballs that are used in a game.

    By that, I mean that they have absolutely no idea what might happen to footballs that are used in a game, since there have never been any measurements performed during a game.

    Of course, if they had just released the PSI information that they allegedly recorded last season, everyone would know the answer.

  338. limakey says:
    Aug 11, 2016 10:43 AM
    Fireroger, Because of Spygate, after saving your organization’s cheating ass, he implemented several new rules to protect the integrity of the game and the public’s confidence in the game. His handling of Deflategte proves it. Just because Wells had the nerve to point out TB is a liar and a cheat, is no reason to say he is not credible.
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    His credibility was low WAY before Deflategate. Unfortunately for you there are many more like me that share that opinion.

    Well can call Brady a liar all he wants but in the end it’s still a liar calling out another liar.

  339. limakey says:
    Aug 11, 2016 10:49 AM
    Fireroger, I bet you can’t give 10 realistic reasons why anyone should give Tom Brady, JJ and JM credibility.
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    I’m not going to provide a single reason. I don’t need to. It’s a field of liars with no credibility. You are the one that keeps insisting otherwise. Everybody else knows better.

  340. luckyforus says:
    Aug 11, 2016 12:32 PM

    Up until deflate gate Brady was credible. We found out he wasn’t and we know this wasn’t the first time he deflated balls. It’s the first time he was caught. So our belief he was credible was false.
    —————————

    There is no credible evidence at all that any footballs were deflated, so there is certainly no evidence at all that Brady had footballs deflated at any other point in time.

    According to Walt Anderson, the 2015 AFC Championship Game was the first time in the history of the NFL that the footballs had gone missing before the start of a game.

    What are the odds that the one football game, out of thousands previous, that the NFL was running a sting on the Patriots, is the first game ever that the footballs went missing before the start of a game?

    You would think that if the Patriots had been running some long standing scheme to deflate footballs, that the footballs would have gone missing more than once, and that someone would have certainly noticed that the footballs always went missing before Patriots home games.

    The logic and common sense that has to be ignored, in order for the Patriot Hater to convince themselves that their teams lost only because the Patriots cheated, is astounding.

  341. limakey says:
    Aug 11, 2016 12:43 PM
    345, I believe the reasons given were it was work product and they were not obligated to turn it over. I can’t remember the reason given for Pash. However, I do remember Commission Goodell made the offer of stopping the procedures if they wanted to “appeal” (for lack of a better term” his decision. Brady’s team refused the offer. So the real question is why didn’t Brady’s team appeal.
    ===========================
    They noted the objection on the record so it could be appealed. Goodell made it clear from the outset the notes\testimony edited by Pash wasn’t going to be provided. To say Brady’s team didn’t ask for it is disingenuous to say the least. Not to mention completely inaccurate. Try again. Why wasn’t it made available if Goodell is so credible.

  342. mmack66 says:
    Aug 11, 2016 6:52 PM

    You would think that if the Patriots had been running some long standing scheme to deflate footballs, that the footballs would have gone missing more than once, and that someone would have certainly noticed that the footballs always went missing before Patriots home games.
    ========================
    Exactly. In the end the excuses will range from this is first time McNally was caught to McNally must have hidden it from the refs somehow. Despite no evidence or indication that has ever been the case.

  343. Fireroger, I am sure many people feel more like me about Goodell then you think. If they have done research or just used common sense. I am sure one of your examples is domestic violence. Commissioner Goodell was the first commissioner who has been foced to deal with an issue that frankly should be a union and team issue. Past commissoners and teams hid hundreds and hundreds of dv cases. They chose they would rather not lose competitive edge over hundereds and thousands of bruises, broken bones and threats. I am not saying he got everything right but he put himself out there, took his lumps and has made strides in the right direction. But it appears you would rather have the old days when game day perfomance was more important then a battered woman.

  344. Exactly. In the end the excuses will range from this is first time McNally was caught to McNally must have hidden it from the refs somehow. Despite no evidence or indication that has ever been the case.

    ==============================

    Common sense gives the appearance the Pats were deflating the balls over a long period of time.

    1. Grigson sends memo to NFL that it is common knowledge that the Pats let air out of their footballs. Then as we know the Pats were caught letting air out. Makes Grigson look like he might be right.

    2. In May 2014 the Deflator is introduced to the world in a text. 8-9 minutes later the next text JM threatens to go to ESPN. No one threatens to go to ESPN over stealing shoes as the Pats tried to explain. I think most reasonable people think its been going on awhile.

    >

  345. Goodell apologists should ask themselves these two simple questions and think about the answers.

    A lot of people associated with many teams have a problem with how the the current commissioner does things. That has not been the case with other commissioners, only Goodell. Why do you suppose that is?

    Did other commissioners like Rozelle and Tagliabue make matters of discipline and other matters all about the commissioner? Have they gone to the media thumping their chest and making it all about them? If not – then why does Goodell?

  346. I see the silliness about stealing playbooks and piping in radio feeds is still going around 🙂

    You know every single cheater in sports has always had at least one person who blew the whistle on them. Lance Armstrong did. Marion Jones did. Ben Johnson did. The 70’s PED Steelers did. Barry Bonds. Alex Rodriguez. Roger Clemens. Perhaps PEDton Manning will be added to this list very soon.

    And yet it’s funny… there are so many former employees of the Patriots organization, many of them leaving on not exactly good terms… not one to date has spoken up and told the world with any credible authority that they either witnessed this kind of systemic cheating in the organization, knew of it happening or participated in it themselves.

    Not even the dorito dinks… who no doubt by now have been offered an extremely large amount of money by the likes of TMZ to spill the beans… that is, if there was any beans to spill. And yet… silence from them too. Very telling.

    Yup. Not…..one.

    Go figure. 🙂

    Maybe one day Patriot Hater will wake up and decide it’s finally time to take their losses like men and demand better of their team instead of egging them on to cry waaah cheaters!1!1! to the league to do something about the Patriots.

    Yeah… as if!

    🙂

  347. limakey says:
    Aug 11, 2016 8:32 PM

    Fireroger, I am sure many people feel more like me about Goodell then you think. If they have done research or just used common sense. I am sure one of your examples is domestic violence. Commissioner Goodell was the first commissioner who has been foced to deal with an issue that frankly should be a union and team issue. Past commissoners and teams hid hundreds and hundreds of dv cases. They chose they would rather not lose competitive edge over hundereds and thousands of bruises, broken bones and threats. I am not saying he got everything right but he put himself out there, took his lumps and has made strides in the right direction. But it appears you would rather have the old days when game day perfomance was more important then a battered woman.
    ——————————

    Roger Goodell is a duplicitous liar, and, along with the Ravens, tried to cover up the Ray Rice situation.

    Before it was all over, Goodell refused to hand over his phone, and was branded a liar, rightfully so, by a Federal judge.

    He was also exposed when the Brady appeal hearing testimony was released and it shows that Goodell lied about Brady’s account of having replaced a broken phone.

    The guy has been involved in one PR nightmare after another ever since taking over as Commissioner, and if the owners had any integrity, and actually followed their own rules, that bozo would have been fired long ago.

  348. “Smash for Cash” vs “Bountygate”

    Same problem. Different results. Maybe the game had no integrity back in the day. Or maybe we just have an idiot running the show.

  349. Goodell apologists should ask themselves these two simple questions and think about the answers.

    A lot of people associated with many teams have a problem with how the the current commissioner does things. That has not been the case with other commissioners, only Goodell. Why do you suppose that is?

    Did other commissioners like Rozelle and Tagliabue make matters of discipline and other matters all about the commissioner? Have they gone to the media thumping their chest and making it all about them? If not – then why does Goodell?

    ============================

    I’m not a Goodell apologist but blaming him because Brady cheating is sour grapes.

    The CBA gave him the power if you don’t like it don’t subject yourself to discipline or negotiate a better deal next time.

    >

  350. GoodellMustGo, Seriously, the scandals of Goodell era are nothing new, they have been ongoing and open secrets for years. PR and PT kept a strict, “Keep The Dirty Laundry In House” policy. Paul T said that while the Bountygate charges were true and proved, bounties have always been a part of the NFL culture. Goodell was very clear he wanted to change that culture. And don’t forget, as a result of Spygate, Goodell issued a series a new policies, one which was literally giving notice to all owners, coaches and players that the “Keep The Dirty Laundry In House” policy no longer was an option.

  351. The sour grapes belong to the haters that cant or wont understand how easy it is to destroy the NFL’s case. The inconsistencies are so numerous how can anyone declare that Brady did cheat? I’ll say this yet again. this is a civil matter and those are decided by preponderance of the evidence. The NFL has at least as much in issue there as Brady.

  352. JM made no attempt to hide the footballs when he was seen walking away with them by many officials. The NFL rules states that JM is supposed to be escorted all around the arena when he has the balls. No one protested his leaving with them and no one escorted him. This is all on camera. The NFL allowed him to walk around with the balls violating their own rules. Why?

  353. Maybe one day Patriot Hater will wake up and decide it’s finally time to take their losses like men and demand better of their team instead of egging them on to cry waaah cheaters!1!1! to the league to do something about the Patriots.

    Yeah… as if!

    =============================

    Maybe Patriot homer will wake up one day and decide it’s time to man up and admit your team cheated and was penalized in spy gate and deflate gate instead of crying that it was a witch hunt and everyone’s jealous.

    Your trophies are tainted and I don’t need to go to the league to do something because the league has already acted on its own.

    >

  354. JM made no attempt to hide the footballs when he was seen walking away with them by many officials. The NFL rules states that JM is supposed to be escorted all around the arena when he has the balls. No one protested his leaving with them and no one escorted him. This is all on camera. The NFL allowed him to walk around with the balls violating their own rules. Why?

    ============================

    So you’re saying it’s the NFL’s fault that the Patriots cheated because their rules are lax. It’s obvious the NFL had poor internal controls over the footballs. On normal game days JM was in the officials locker room unsupervised. That’s ridiculous.

    But keep blaming everyone else to deflect the cheating. >

  355. MMack, did you read the judge’s ruling in the Ray Rice case, I just did, she never, ever said Goodell was a liar. She was not persauded that Goodell was lied to by Ray Rice regarding his version of events. Goodell basically said that Rice slapped her. she slipped and fell and knocked herself out. That Ray Rice downplayed the incident. Ray Rice said that he told him that he hit her and she fell and knocked herself out. What does the tape show? Rice punching her in the mouth and she was out cold before she even hit the ground. She didn’t knock herself out, Rice knocked her out with a punch. The mere fact that Ray Rice never told the comissioner that he punched her with a closed fist, I can see where the Commissioner got the idea Rice downplayed the incident. However, that does not excuse the Commisioners ignorance on domestic violence. Even off of Rice’s version of events, he should have got the maximum penalty. And what does his cell phone have to do with anything? A federal judge wouldn’t ask for it, she would supbeana it. And no where does she call him a liar. Do the research mmack.

  356. The sour grapes belong to the haters that cant or wont understand how easy it is to destroy the NFL’s case. The inconsistencies are so numerous how can anyone declare that Brady did cheat? I’ll say this yet again. this is a civil matter and those are decided by preponderance of the evidence. The NFL has at least as much in issue there as Brady.

    ======================

    Sour grapes describes the Patriots and their fans. Blame the NFL and discredit every piece of evidence so your boy looks innocent. Guess what he’s still guilty.

    >

  357. JM made no attempt to hide the footballs when he was seen walking away with them by many officials. The NFL rules states that JM is supposed to be escorted all around the arena when he has the balls. No one protested his leaving with them and no one escorted him. This is all on camera. The NFL allowed him to walk around with the balls violating their own rules. Why?

    ===========================

    Why did JM lie about not stopping in the rest room and then mistaking a urinal for a toilet? According to Wells he changed his story too.

    >

  358. Maybe Patriot homer will wake up one day and decide it’s time to man up and admit your team cheated and was penalized in spy gate and deflate gate instead of crying that it was a witch hunt and everyone’s jealous.

    Your trophies are tainted and I don’t need to go to the league to do something because the league has already acted on its own.


    We would if they did cheat… but they didn’t. 🙂

    Only tainted by those looking for excuses why their team isn’t man enough to put in the work to beat the Patriots. 🙂 I must say those 4 RADIANT GLEAMING GLISTENING BEAMING SHINY LUMINOUS SPARKLING trophies look pretty freaking awesome!

    U mad boy?

    🙂

  359. Dan, you do realize you are making the strongest case against JM, don’t you? First, I don’t care how big he is, how do you hide 2 large bags of footballs? And if you were attempting to sneak the balls out, why would you be so obvious in trying to hide the unhideable. You are right, the NFL does have a protocol in place regarding escorts. Therefore, as part of his job, JM would know all the procedures and protocols. So why didn’t JM ask Walt Anderson to take the footballs out early to the field and then ask for an escort he knew he needed? Thats right, after he gave mutiple versions of events that night, when asked why he didn’t ask for an escort, didn’t he say he didn’t know he needed one? Keep them coming Dan, you are the NFL’s secret weapon against the Pats!

  360. limakey says:
    Aug 11, 2016 9:12 PM
    Why didn’t Brady turn over the requested material if he is so credible?
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    Probably for the same reason Goodell didn’t make the notes and Pash’s testimony available to Brady. LOL

  361. What culture has Goodell changed?

    He turned ignorance of the IGL into one of the biggest frauds in the history of sports.

    He made definitive conclusions about footballs used in one game, using faulty data and methods, and without even a shred of statistical data about what actually happens to a football during the course of a game.

    He lies, the employees of the league office lie, his lawyers lie, teams make up lies about other teams, league personnel steal footballs, and blame it on a team, referees, so concerned with the chain of command of the footballs, actually leave them back at the hotel before a playoff game, referees don’t know how to correctly call penalties anymore.

    It’s a complete joke.

  362. I’m not a Goodell apologist but blaming him because Brady cheating is sour grapes.

    The CBA gave him the power if you don’t like it don’t subject yourself to discipline or negotiate a better deal next time.
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    Just because the commissioner has all the power to be judge, jury and executioner does not mean he should suspend a player for four games, loss of 3 draft picks and a $1mm fine for a football violation which warrants a $25k fine. That’s even if Brady was found guilty of cheating which the Wells report states he did not. All circumstantial not definitive. That is a big difference. You’re essentially chastising one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the game over .2 PSI that has been proven by science that mother nature had a role in that process. What about the Colts footballs? What about the Colts employee on the side line with a gauge and needle? Isn’t that an infraction in itself? Where are the PSI results from last season? When you stop hanging out with Stevie Wonder maybe then you will be able to see that this whole farce fits the NFL’s narrative to unjustly do whatever it takes to avoid the appeal process because the lies that have been spewed are enough to fill up the Mariana Trench. People on this thread have commented with clear and concise factual comments regarding this matter and even provided their source. Limakey and luckyforus have deflected so many questions asked to them it is questioned by me why you bother to still debate this topic with them?

  363. luckyforus says:
    Aug 12, 2016 9:33 AM
    I’m not a Goodell apologist but blaming him because Brady cheating is sour grapes.

    The CBA gave him the power if you don’t like it don’t subject yourself to discipline or negotiate a better deal next time.
    ============================
    As usual you miss the point. The fact that you can’t see that Goodell has no credibility makes you a Goodell apologist. By virtue you are saying you Goodell is more credible than Brady and there is NO reason to make that claim. None.

  364. limakey says:
    Aug 12, 2016 9:43 AM
    GoodellMustGo, Seriously, the scandals of Goodell era are nothing new, they have been ongoing and open secrets for years. PR and PT kept a strict, “Keep The Dirty Laundry In House” policy. Paul T said that while the Bountygate charges were true and proved, bounties have always been a part of the NFL culture. Goodell was very clear he wanted to change that culture. And don’t forget, as a result of Spygate, Goodell issued a series a new policies, one which was literally giving notice to all owners, coaches and players that the “Keep The Dirty Laundry In House” policy no longer was an option.
    ==============================
    You know why they weren’t scandals previously?

  365. Limakey – the response for Goodell at the NFL draft speaks volumes to how many share your opinion. 🙂

    Why am I not surprised that my contempt for Goodell means I somehow condone domestic violence. smh

    Goodell may have altruistic intentions. Unfortunately everything beyond that is a total abomination. His approach on player discipline is arguably anything but a step (let alone steps) in the right direction. I’m not advocating the absence of player discipline. Only a complete overhaul of how it’s handled including the person meting out the punishment.

    Still waiting on how Goodell is credible despite denying Brady’s team access to the notes and Pash’s testimony. We know we can’t use the “they weren’t obligated to” excuse because if that was true we wouldn’t be holding the cell phone against Brady now would we?

  366. limakey says:
    Aug 12, 2016 10:26 AM
    MMack, did you read the judge’s ruling in the Ray Rice case, I just did, she never, ever said Goodell was a liar.
    ===============================
    Talk about cherry picking. Let me help. Goodell never saw the tape remember that little nugget? Despite the police department providing proof otherwise.

  367. luckyforus says:
    Aug 12, 2016 10:29 AM
    Sour grapes describes the Patriots and their fans. Blame the NFL and discredit every piece of evidence so your boy looks innocent. Guess what he’s still guilty.
    ======================
    It really shouldn’t be so easy to discredit “evidence”. Just sayin.

  368. limakey says:
    Aug 12, 2016 10:26 AM

    MMack, did you read the judge’s ruling in the Ray Rice case, I just did, she never, ever said Goodell was a liar. She was not persauded that Goodell was lied to by Ray Rice regarding his version of events. Goodell basically said that Rice slapped her. she slipped and fell and knocked herself out. That Ray Rice downplayed the incident. Ray Rice said that he told him that he hit her and she fell and knocked herself out. What does the tape show? Rice punching her in the mouth and she was out cold before she even hit the ground. She didn’t knock herself out, Rice knocked her out with a punch. The mere fact that Ray Rice never told the comissioner that he punched her with a closed fist, I can see where the Commissioner got the idea Rice downplayed the incident. However, that does not excuse the Commisioners ignorance on domestic violence. Even off of Rice’s version of events, he should have got the maximum penalty. And what does his cell phone have to do with anything? A federal judge wouldn’t ask for it, she would supbeana it. And no where does she call him a liar. Do the research mmack.
    ———————-

    Lol. Goodell lied about what Ray Rice told him, and the Federal judge confirmed it.

    You need to get new sources for your information, because all of the ones you have now must have come from 345 Park Avenue.

  369. why don’t you two people answer any of the question I have posted?

    I have repeatedly given answers to your questions…..you either didn’t like my answers or weren’t swayed by them, but I least I provided my position on them.

    You won’t touch anything I have asked. Why not?

    All you do is move on to another question. Moving the goalposts….just like Goodell.

    It’s no wonder you two like him; you’re like him.

  370. Much like the NFL hired its own people for this investigation as did Brady. He hired a forensic examiner who examined 2 phones. One of which was not used in the time Wells requested for so it was barely looked at. The other was. That info was given to Ted Wells
    Yes there are questions about Brady’s behavior in this time frame. But there are also question on how the NFL handled this investigation and you refuse to see them. You cant argue with someone irrational so I dont know what else to tell you I’ll say this last thing and I repeat the Colts broke the rules that is a certainty. That was then used to prove that the Pats may have broken the rules. The NFL allowed a certainty in rule breaking by the Colts to come up with more probably than not in regards to the Pats?

  371. Fireroger, I believe there was an outside investigation done on that matter. And the investigator ruled that the NFL did not have that tape or viewed it at the time of his first ruling and then lambasting him for deferring or waiting for the police to turn it over. That he should have been more aggressive in getting all the tapes before any ruling should have been made. And them kicked him in the nuts and said he should have had the common sense that of course Rice was going to underplay his actions but even with Rice’s basic description, he should have given Rice the max. I think it was a well deserved dressing down of Goodell. He deserved that and I believe even other leagues and owners got the message.

  372. Ok I know this will be hard for you but here is some simple math. If one discredits the accuser than how than the accused be convicted? Unless those that believe are sheep blinded by hate and will believe whatever you tell them. Lemurs follow there leader and will even off a cliff without questioning it. Are you a lemur? I’m not

  373. Lucky,

    Wells and Goodell have dubious credibility at best.

    Explain these greatest hits:

    Goodell: lied about role of second Rice tape on his changed suspension, denied concussions caused long term damage, tried to add more games several times (equaling more concussions, and this was after he started acknowledging NFL would start being better about it), added Thursday games (equaling more frequent head injury exposures), suppressed and defunded concussion studies, withheld $120 million of a shared revenue pool from players, had his attys lie in open court in Brady appeal, leaked false information multiple times and refused to correct it in Brady case, kept calling Wells “independent” when NFL attys edited report and Wells atty Reisner represented NFL at the appeal, refused equal discovery in Brady case, and many many other instances.

    Wells: by all accounts bungled “Bullygate” with his NFL bias, chose a science firm that is notorious for giving client the results they seek (ie Big Tobacco fighting cancer claims), let the NFL edit the Wells Report, allowed his firm colleague, Lorin Reisner to work on the WR and then represent the NFL at the appeal (even being allowed to question Brady!!!), an appalling conflict of interest for an “independent” report and completely undermined the appeal because equal discovery was denied.

    Those aren’t “mistakes”, those represent a pattern of doing whatever it takes to win (or make $) regardless of the rules or the truth. I thought you didn’t like that attitude, lucky. Strange you side with them.

  374. Aww Limakey you are adorable You try and think. JM should not have to ask for an escort. One should have been there without request. So upon good faith JM assumed the NFL would you know follow its rules. No what I am is the voice of reason. Yes the Pats have cheated in 07. So no they are not perfect. All I want is if you are going to prove the Pats cheated then I should not have many or any questions on your side(the NFL) and all questions should be on the Pats behavior. I have many many questions for the NFL that have gone unanswered yet they can still convict?

  375. Lima-
    Look at it this way.

    Even if the Patriots were guilty of each and every single thing they are accused of… what possible good comes out of an egomaniac commissioner pounding his chest, calling attention to it, a league egging on their media partners to put out a message of “hey look fans – you are watching a game where one team is always breaking the rules… are you sure you are watching a fair game?”… and then as a result have the outcome of theirs and every single game on the NFL schedule questioned by a lot of people.

    Is that #integrity? Sure doesn’t smell like it.

    If that really was his decision to “open it up” then all the more reason why this individual MUST be relieved of his duties as commissioner of this league.

  376. Colts break the rules by checking Pats game ball during the game then handing it over to the officials. league sees that Colts admit to it and league does nothing. Then league uses Colts rule breaking to try and prove Pats rule breaking?

  377. limakey says:
    Aug 12, 2016 11:20 AM
    Fireroger, I believe there was an outside investigation done on that matter. And the investigator ruled that the NFL did not have that tape or viewed it at the time of his first ruling and then lambasting him for deferring or waiting for the police to turn it over. That he should have been more aggressive in getting all the tapes before any ruling should have been made. And them kicked him in the nuts and said he should have had the common sense that of course Rice was going to underplay his actions but even with Rice’s basic description, he should have given Rice the max. I think it was a well deserved dressing down of Goodell. He deserved that and I believe even other leagues and owners got the message.
    ================
    Correct. The investigation the NFL paid for showed no evidence the tape was ever received or viewed. No similarities there. 🙂 Makes sense though. So far everybody lies except Goodell. That time it was the Atlantic City Police Department. Just like they never intentionally omitted more than 100 diagnosed concussions between 1996-01. Just like they didn’t try to interfere with concussion research. I’m just scratching the surface here.

    Ironically, all of this comes from the same person who supposedly destroyed 6 (?) tapes during Spygate? It’s funny how you’ve latched onto that myth and still fail to question his credibility.

  378. punishment.

    Still waiting on how Goodell is credible despite denying Brady’s team access to the notes and Pash’s testimony. We know we can’t use the “they weren’t obligated to” excuse because if that was true we wouldn’t be holding the cell phone against Brady now would we?

    =========================

    Goodell being credible or not still means Brady cheated.

    >

  379. ========== As usual you miss the point. The fact that you can’t see that Goodell has no credibility makes you a Goodell apologist. By virtue you are saying you Goodell is more credible than Brady and there is NO reason to make that claim. None.

    ==========================

    Whether Goodell is credible or not, Brady is still a liar and cheater.

    >

  380. We would if they did cheat… but they didn’t. 🙂

    Only tainted by those looking for excuses why their team isn’t man enough to put in the work to beat the Patriots. 🙂 I must say those 4 RADIANT GLEAMING GLISTENING BEAMING SHINY LUMINOUS SPARKLING trophies look pretty freaking awesome!

    U mad boy?

    🙂

    ========================

    Not mad at all. The Pats did cheat and were penalized. Keep deflecting the truth because only fools think the Oat didn’t cheat.

    Enjoy the tainted shiny sparkling trophies. I wonder if/when they build statues of Belicheat and Brady if the contractor will cheat and use less expensive material. Or maybe Kraft will cheat them and not pay the bill.

    >

  381. The law enforcement official played The Associated Press a 12-second voicemail from an NFL office number on April 9 confirming the video arrived. A female voice expresses thanks and says: “You’re right. It’s terrible.”

    Must be the law enforcement official is into fabricating voicemails. LOL

  382. GoodellMustGo, Think about this way, Goodell had to go before the world and had to do this: Had to state the fact that Bill Belicheck has admitted to illegal taping of signals sinche he became head coach of the Pats. That he personally ordered the destruction of tapes and notes, all gathered illegally and then state that all the cheating had zero affect on any outcome of any game, including the Pats playoff wins and Superbowls. Then he applied common sense pressure to owners and coaches to make public statements, that the Pats victories were above board and they were happy with the league’s punishment. What common sense pressure? If this goes to congress, everybody goes under oath, owners, players, coaches, staff everybody. It will ruin the foundation of the NFL. The integrity of the league and the public’s confidence in the game will be shattered beyond repair.

  383. Not mad at all. The Pats did cheat and were penalized. Keep deflecting the truth because only fools think the Oat didn’t cheat.

    Enjoy the tainted shiny sparkling trophies. I wonder if/when they build statues of Belicheat and Brady if the contractor will cheat and use less expensive material. Or maybe Kraft will cheat them and not pay the bill.


    Yep. That’s what I figured. You mad 🙂

    Perfectly understandable. The Patriots are awesome, your team reeks, and you’re getting absolutely clowned in this argument. Keep posting though, it really is quite amusing!

    🙂

  384. uckyforus says:
    Aug 12, 2016 11:54 AM
    Whether Goodell is credible or not, Brady is still a liar and cheater.
    ==========================
    Well that was nothing if not predictable. Brady was found guilty of being a liar from another (serial) liar. That’s about all you need to know about why we are where we are.

  385. Dan, you do realize you are making the strongest case against JM, don’t you? First, I don’t care how big he is, how do you hide 2 large bags of footballs? And if you were attempting to sneak the balls out, why would you be so obvious in trying to hide the unhideable. You are right, the NFL does have a protocol in place regarding escorts. Therefore, as part of his job, JM would know all the procedures and protocols. So why didn’t JM ask Walt Anderson to take the footballs out early to the field and then ask for an escort he knew he needed? Thats right, after he gave mutiple versions of events that night, when asked why he didn’t ask for an escort, didn’t he say he didn’t know he needed one? Keep them coming Dan, you are the NFL’s secret weapon against the Pats!

    =======================

    Also JM asked Walt for approval to move the balls closer to the door of the locker room, so he’d be ready when it was time to take them to the field. But he didn’t ask for approval to take them to the field. Guess JM forgot. Huh

    Maybe he noticed all the people in the officials locker room when usually it was empty before games so he was planning the pee stop in the urinal that didn’t exist. Guess what there was a rest room in the locker room and the adjacent Chang gang room also.

    >

  386. Colts break the rules by checking Pats game ball during the game then handing it over to the officials. league sees that Colts admit to it and league does nothing. Then league uses Colts rule breaking to try and prove Pats rule breaking?

    ==========================

    Hilarious, the Pats still cheated.

    >

  387. Goodell being credible or not still means Brady cheated.

    >

    —-
    Hey maybe if you jump up and down yell a lot and stamp it then it might become true!

    Nah.

    🙂

  388. luckyforus says:
    Aug 12, 2016 11:57 AM
    Enjoy the tainted shiny sparkling trophies. I wonder if/when they build statues of Belicheat and Brady if the contractor will cheat and use less expensive material. Or maybe Kraft will cheat them and not pay the bill.
    ========================
    To be fair, those trophies aren’t going anywhere. Regardless of their luster. All the complaining and *s in the word ain’t changing that.

  389. What culture has Goodell changed?

    He turned ignorance of the IGL into one of the biggest frauds in the history of sports.

    He made definitive conclusions about footballs used in one game, using faulty data and methods, and without even a shred of statistical data about what actually happens to a football during the course of a game.

    He lies, the employees of the league office lie, his lawyers lie, teams make up lies about other teams, league personnel steal footballs, and blame it on a team, referees, so concerned with the chain of command of the footballs, actually leave them back at the hotel before a playoff game, referees don’t know how to correctly call penalties anymore.

    It’s a complete joke. Quit watching the NFL if you don’t like it.

    ======================

    And this doesn’t change the fact that Brady lied and cheated.

    >

  390. people answer any of the question I have posted?

    I have repeatedly given answers to your questions…..you either didn’t like my answers or weren’t swayed by them, but I least I provided my position on them.

    You won’t touch anything I have asked. Why not?

    All you do is move on to another question. Moving the goalposts….just like Goodell.

    It’s no wonder you two like him; you’re like him.

    ======================

    Probably cause I don’t know the answers. What I do know is Brady lied and cheated.

    >

  391. Much like the NFL hired its own people for this investigation as did Brady. He hired a forensic examiner who examined 2 phones. One of which was not used in the time Wells requested for so it was barely looked at. The other was. That info was given to Ted Wells Yes there are questions about Brady’s behavior in this time frame. But there are also question on how the NFL handled this investigation and you refuse to see them. You cant argue with someone irrational so I dont know what else to tell you I’ll say this last thing and I repeat the Colts broke the rules that is a certainty. That was then used to prove that the Pats may have broken the rules. The NFL allowed a certainty in rule breaking by the Colts to come up with more probably than not in regards to the Pats?

    =========================

    What the Colts did was not an intent to affect the integrity of the game or public confidence and it provided no competitive advantage to the Colts. Totally different than scheming to deflate footballs.

    And yes I agree the NFL handled the investigation very poorly. But that doesn’t change the conclusion. There’s too much circumstantial evidence that only leads to Brady lying and cheating. The NFL didn’t manufacture this evidence. >

  392. I love when haters contradict themselves Goodell is the accuser yes? you are questioning his cred yes? than how can he be believed when accusing Brady? Oh the sheep believe

  393. Yep I trust the Colts in saying that. They break the rules then accuse the Pats of doing the same/ I have a big credibility issue here. As do anyone who is non sheep that can think for themselves

  394. Those aren’t “mistakes”, those represent a pattern of doing whatever it takes to win (or make $) regardless of the rules or the truth. I thought you didn’t like that attitude, lucky. Strange you side with them.

    ========================+

    I’m siding with the undisputed circumstantial evidence that was in the Wells report and testimony at the Goodell hearing. And I don’t believe Wells and Goodell engineered a witch hunt. But the fact is Brady is guilty, Rice was guilty and the Saints were guilty. >

  395. If that really was his decision to “open it up” then all the more reason why this individual MUST be relieved of his duties as commissioner of this league.

    =======================

    Except the NFL makes so much money for the owners I doubt if either want a new commissioner. The Players aren’t going to push for a new commissioner because 1% of the players don’t follow the rules. >

  396. limakey says:
    Aug 12, 2016 12:00 PM

    GoodellMustGo, Think about this way, Goodell had to go before the world and had to do this: Had to state the fact that Bill Belicheck has admitted to illegal taping of signals sinche he became head coach of the Pats. That he personally ordered the destruction of tapes and notes, all gathered illegally and then state that all the cheating had zero affect on any outcome of any game, including the Pats playoff wins and Superbowls. Then he applied common sense pressure to owners and coaches to make public statements, that the Pats victories were above board and they were happy with the league’s punishment. What common sense pressure? If this goes to congress, everybody goes under oath, owners, players, coaches, staff everybody. It will ruin the foundation of the NFL. The integrity of the league and the public’s confidence in the game will be shattered beyond repair.
    ———————–

    Quit using that book as a source. None of it is true.

  397. luckyforus says:
    Aug 12, 2016 11:53 AM

    punishment.

    Still waiting on how Goodell is credible despite denying Brady’s team access to the notes and Pash’s testimony. We know we can’t use the “they weren’t obligated to” excuse because if that was true we wouldn’t be holding the cell phone against Brady now would we?

    =========================

    Goodell being credible or not still means Brady cheated.
    …………………….

    Actually no, Goodell’s credibility is pretty important. Just saying it isn’t doesn’t make it so and logically, it doesn’t add up. There is no hard evidence against Brady so the reputations of those giving the opinion he broke the rules are extremely relevant, its doesn’t make sense to not consider them. Goodell has lied in court (in Brady case and very likely in the Rice case as well), denied concussions have long term effects, defunded and suppressed concussion studies, hid $120mil in shared revenue from players and generally has shown to have a dart board approach to deciding who gets what punishment. Not a great look.

  398. luckyforus says:
    Aug 12, 2016 12:06 PM

    And this doesn’t change the fact that Brady lied and cheated.
    ——————–

    Lied to who, and cheated how?

    You seem to have information that not even the NFL was aware of.

    Tom Brady was suspended because the NFL claimed that he might have been “generally aware” that two other guys might have been deflating footballs. That’s it.

  399. Well that was nothing if not predictable. Brady was found guilty of being a liar from another (serial) liar. That’s about all you need to know about why we are where we are.

    ==========================

    Quit blaming others. No one caused Brady to lie except for the fact he cheated. Do you teach your kids to lie? You all sound like a bunch of 3rd graders.

    >

  400. Yep. That’s what I figured. You mad 🙂

    Perfectly understandable. The Patriots are awesome, your team reeks, and you’re getting absolutely clowned in this argument. Keep posting though, it really is quite amusing!

    ===========================

    The Pats are twice proven cheaters. And my team doesn’t reek.

    I’m really enjoying this.

    >

  401. ======== To be fair, those trophies aren’t going anywhere. Regardless of their luster. All the complaining and *s in the word ain’t changing that.

    ===================

    Hey, I agree with you. The trophies aren’t going any where. But you can’t go around wearing your Patriot gear sticking out your chest because every ones laughing at you.

    >

  402. To All Pat Believers – you do realize that your fabricated science just confirms that the NFL did their due dilligence on this issue and the Patriots did not. And I don’t blame the Pats. They got a free ride out of it. And exactly how was the investigation flawed? I hear you all parrott it, but I see no examples of it.

  403. Hey maybe if you jump up and down yell a lot and stamp it then it might become true!

    Nah.

    ========================

    You guys are the ones acting like 3rd graders throwing a hissy fit so maybe it’s you acting immature. >

  404. limakey says:
    Aug 12, 2016 12:00 PM

    GoodellMustGo, Think about this way, Goodell had to go before the world and had to do this: Had to state the fact that Bill Belicheck has admitted to illegal taping of signals sinche he became head coach of the Pats. That he personally ordered the destruction of tapes and notes, all gathered illegally and then state that all the cheating had zero affect on any outcome of any game, including the Pats playoff wins and Superbowls. Then he applied common sense pressure to owners and coaches to make public statements, that the Pats victories were above board and they were happy with the league’s punishment. What common sense pressure? If this goes to congress, everybody goes under oath, owners, players, coaches, staff everybody. It will ruin the foundation of the NFL. The integrity of the league and the public’s confidence in the game will be shattered beyond repair.

    —-
    Except I do not acknowledge that as doing the job of a good commissioner.

    That’s more along the lines of desperately to put out the fire that you and your ego started.

  405. Lied to who, and cheated how?

    You seem to have information that not even the NFL was aware of.

    Tom Brady was suspended because the NFL claimed that he might have been “generally aware” that two other guys might have been deflating footballs. That’s it.

    ===========================

    I’ve already proven he lied to Wells and Goodell. Being generally aware is an accessory so he cheated. And we all know by the evidence that he orchestrated the scheme to deflate footballs.

    Delusional Brady fans still denying the truth is hilarious.

    >

  406. Limakey I have read these threads over and over and you’ve been shown examples. Hell I’ve given you examples. There is no just no arguing with the irrational. Oh before you counter with that scathing retort of calling me irrational I have admitted over and over the Pats have cheated in 07 and were caught.

  407. The Pats are twice proven cheaters. And my team doesn’t reek.

    I’m really enjoying this.

    Me too! 🙂 I love that the Pats are 4 time World Champions and your team reeks.

    It’s funny…3 time Super Bowl MVP and 2 time league MVP and GOAT tom Brady did great last year as usual with fully inflated footballs. Your QB? Not so much.

    I wonder why? 🙂

  408. luckyforus says:
    Aug 12, 2016 12:15 PM
    What the Colts did was not an intent to affect the integrity of the game or public confidence and it provided no competitive advantage to the Colts. Totally different than scheming to deflate footballs.

    And yes I agree the NFL handled the investigation very poorly. But that doesn’t change the conclusion. There’s too much circumstantial evidence that only leads to Brady lying and cheating. The NFL didn’t manufacture this evidence. >
    =========================
    Rubbish. There’s no compelling argument deflated footballs provide any advantage. Basically what you are saying is we are supposed to interpret intent when rules are broken. The fact of the matter is the Colts broke a rule. Why weren’t they punished?

  409. luckyforus says:
    Aug 12, 2016 12:41 PM
    Hey, I agree with you. The trophies aren’t going any where. But you can’t go around wearing your Patriot gear sticking out your chest because every ones laughing at you.
    ===================
    Sure you can. It’s actually pretty easy.

    Did I forget to mention laughing won’t take the trophies away either? 😉

  410. Why did Goodell edit the Wells report? Shouldn’t that be able to stand on it’s own?
    Why haven’t the supposed recent PSI numbers that were taken been released? Wouldn’t that justify the NFL’s conviction of the Pats?
    Well anyone wish to tackle answering those questions?

  411. It’s funny…3 time Super Bowl MVP and 2 time league MVP and GOAT tom Brady did great last year as usual with fully inflated footballs. Your QB? Not so much.

    I wonder why? 🙂

    ===================

    He didn’t do so well in the cold weather last year and he was out played by Manning in the AFCCG. Think about that. Manning was horrible but he outplayed Brady.

    >

  412. Why did Goodell edit the Wells report? Shouldn’t that be able to stand on it’s own? Why haven’t the supposed recent PSI numbers that were taken been released? Wouldn’t that justify the NFL’s conviction of the Pats? Well anyone wish to tackle answering those questions?

    ===========================

    I can’t speculate on something like that.

    On the psi I don’t think that relevant. Footballs games are being played in different environmental conditions I’m not sure you can compare the psi to the Patriots game. Also Wells came to his conclusion because of the circumstantial evidence, if it was the science he said he might have had a different conclusion. >

  413. you two guys…..everything you are concluding is speculation. just like everything Wells concluded is speculation.

    In fact, Wells won’t even go far enough to include Brady in the cheating scheme. He clearly admits that in his conclusion. The most he concludes is that Brady might have known that two other guys might have cheated.

    Wells got paid over $5 million and that was the best he could get on Brady. And yet you to guys, for free, have nailed Brady to a cross. Looks like Goodell hired the wrong people.

    You guys really don’t have any clue how ridiculous you look here, do you?

  414. limakey says:
    Aug 12, 2016 12:43 PM
    To All Pat Believers – you do realize that your fabricated science just confirms that the NFL did their due dilligence on this issue and the Patriots did not. And I don’t blame the Pats. They got a free ride out of it. And exactly how was the investigation flawed? I hear you all parrott it, but I see no examples of it.
    ======================
    Puhleeze. There have been tons of examples of the flaws in the Exponent report. You are correct though. The NFL certainly did their due diligence. Trying to turn a gauge so the larger length of the needle isn’t seen can certainly go a long way to establishing why somehow Walt Anderson couldn’t recall (even though he did) what gauge he used. Or using the scientifically proven finger int he wind technique to determine the locker room temperatures before, during and after the game. LOL

  415. luckyforus says:
    Aug 12, 2016 12:50 PM
    I’ve already proven he lied to Wells and Goodell. Being generally aware is an accessory so he cheated. And we all know by the evidence that he orchestrated the scheme to deflate footballs.

    Delusional Brady fans still denying the truth is hilarious.
    ===========================
    Garb in = garbage out. For the NFL as well as Brady.

  416. luckyforus says:
    Aug 12, 2016 1:28 PM
    I can’t speculate on something like that.

    On the psi I don’t think that relevant. Footballs games are being played in different environmental conditions I’m not sure you can compare the psi to the Patriots game. Also Wells came to his conclusion because of the circumstantial evidence, if it was the science he said he might have had a different conclusion. >
    ===========================
    Try to speculate on that.

    If a game in Min in January shows PSI loss I can assure you it’s pretty relevant.

  417. limakey says:
    Aug 12, 2016 12:43 PM
    To All Pat Believers – you do realize that your fabricated science just confirms that the NFL did their due dilligence on this issue and the Patriots did not. And I don’t blame the Pats. They got a free ride out of it. And exactly how was the investigation flawed? I hear you all parrott it, but I see no examples of it.

    …….

    Why is the only scientific outlet that went against Brady the same one the NFL paid? and the same one whose report NFL atty. Jeff Pash edited?

  418. limakey says:
    Aug 12, 2016 12:43 PM
    To All Pat Believers – you do realize that your fabricated science just confirms that the NFL did their due dilligence on this issue and the Patriots did not. And I don’t blame the Pats. They got a free ride out of it. And exactly how was the investigation flawed? I hear you all parrott it, but I see no examples of it.
    ————————————

    What “fabricated science” are you referring to?

    As for the investigation:

    1. They didn’t know at what pressure the footballs started at.
    2. The two gauges they used had bent needles, and had different reading between them.
    3. The NFL let an entire half of football play out before they measured the air pressure in the footballs. The NFL has no statistical data on football pressures throughout the course of a game, so that it is completely impossible, using a single set of measurements, to make any relevant conclusions as to whether footballs were intentionally deflated.
    4. There was no attempt made to find out who leaked the false information about the 11 of 12 footballs being 2PSI low.
    5. Wells neglected to find out just what the text messages meant.
    6. Wells neglected to find any evidence whatsoever that anyone withing the Patriots organization wanted footballs deflated below 12.5PSI.
    7. The investigation was not independent.
    8. etc.

    There were plenty of flaws in the investigation, and I got tired of listing them.

  419. Patriot Hater is getting really frustrated, it really is clear as day. 🙂

    That’s what happens when you’re just not bright enough to know that you’ve been absolutely beaten to a pulp in a debate and know that it is time to do the wise thing and bow your head in defeat and walk away from this topic.

    Its quite comical if you ask me.

    🙂

  420. as usual, you are twisting Wells’s statements.

    Everything in quotes below is from the Wells report, from the Conclusions section of the report:

    “we conclude it is more probable than not that Jim McNally and John Jastremski participated in a deliberate plan to circumvent the rules by releasing air from Patriots game balls after the examination of the footballs by NFL game officials at the AFC Championship Game.”

    note that Wells is specifically referring to the balls from one game. then he goes on to say:

    “Our conclusion that it is more probable than not that McNally and Jastremski participated in a deliberate effort to release air from Patriots game balls after the balls were tested by the game officials is significantly influenced by the substantial number of communications
    and events consistent with such a finding, including that the same person (McNally) referred to himself as the “deflator” and stated that he was “not going to espn……..yet,” was involved in a series of communications about his impact on the inflation-level of Patriots game balls and using a “needle” surrounded by cash and sneakers (when his legitimate responsibilities as a locker room attendant did not involve the preparation, inflation or deflation of footballs), violated standard pre-game procedure by removing the game balls from the Officials Locker Room without permission of the game officials, brought the game balls into a bathroom before the game (for a period long enough to deflate them), and received valuable items autographed by Tom Brady the week before the AFC Championship Game.”

    first, the deflator and espn texts were made 8 months before the game in question, during the offseason. not really tied to this game in any way, buy still some suspicious words used. so I’ll give you that as part of the “totality of the evidence”.

    second…..Wells’ line about “a series of communications about his impact on the inflation-level of Patriots game balls and using a “needle””……Wells does two things here. One, he makes the assumption that McNally could only affect the pressure of the balls after they were inspected. Not true. He certainly could have pumped the balls up and given them to the officials like that, and said “Tom likes the balls at 13.5”. If the officials test them, they’ll lower them to 13.5 and if not, they’ll be whatever they were pumped to. Two….Wells mentions McNally ‘using a needle’. Nowhere is there any evidence of McNally using a needle mentioned except of pumping UP balls. In fact, earlier in the report Wells said that both Jastremski and McNally told him that when McNally delivered the balls, pump and gauge to the officials, McNally had had only one needle to be used between the pump and the gauge that he gave to the officials each week. Wells found this to be not credible. Did he bother to ask any of the officials for games previous to the ‘needle’ text? Wells interviewed some officials from recent games at Gillette, but why not ask ones from games before the ‘needle’ text? I guess we’ll never know. Bottom line is, McNally WAS in fact in a position to make the game balls have a greater psi than Brady’s preference without altering them after they are inspected. Wells ignored that possibility.

  421. about those gauges…..if Wells doesn’t think Anderson can remember which gauge he used, how could Wells expect Anderson to know if he used the SAME gauge for both Patriots and Colts balls.

    using Wells’ words, it is ‘certainly possible’.

  422. Goodell issued a series a new policies, one which was literally giving notice to all owners, coaches and players that the “Keep The Dirty Laundry In House” policy no longer was an option.
    ————————————-

    That would be great, except the Commissioner proceeded to minimize or bury other infractions, depending on what team or player was involved.

    One example that relates to Brady’s case was the NY Jets being caught tampering with footballs in 2009. Instead of punishing the Jets for damaging the integrity of the game, the league buried this story so deep that it only became public knowledge in 2015.

    Why would the commissioner, after telling everyone that cheating would no longer be tolerated, hide an infraction like that? Further, when the Jets were involved in an illegal sideline scheme a year later that injured an opposing player, there was no heavier penalty for being a repeat offender. The Jets, in fact, were allowed to investigate themselves for a week before the league got involved. That’s not airing out the “dirty laundry.”

  423. Bottom line is, McNally WAS in fact in a position to make the game balls have a greater psi than Brady’s preference without altering them after they are inspected. Wells ignored that possibility.

    ========================

    Why would Wells investigate if McNally could make the psi greater? I don’t follow.

    >

  424. johnwaldron8 says:
    Aug 12, 2016 5:12 PM

    Goodell issued a series a new policies, one which was literally giving notice to all owners, coaches and players that the “Keep The Dirty Laundry In House” policy no longer was an option.
    ————————————-

    That would be great, except the Commissioner proceeded to minimize or bury other infractions, depending on what team or player was involved.

    One example that relates to Brady’s case was the NY Jets being caught tampering with footballs in 2009. Instead of punishing the Jets for damaging the integrity of the game, the league buried this story so deep that it only became public knowledge in 2015.

    Why would the commissioner, after telling everyone that cheating would no longer be tolerated, hide an infraction like that? Further, when the Jets were involved in an illegal sideline scheme a year later that injured an opposing player, there was no heavier penalty for being a repeat offender. The Jets, in fact, were allowed to investigate themselves for a week before the league got involved. That’s not airing out the “dirty laundry.”
    ————————-

    I love the one where the Vikings and Panthers were caught, on national television, heating up the footballs with the sideline heaters, a clear case of tampering, or cheating, and all they got was a memo.

    Meanwhile, TB might have only been aware that two other guys might have been doing something with the footballs, and bam, 4 game suspension, plus sanctions for the Patriots, who were otherwise exonerated by Wells.

    Can you say arbitrary and capricious? I knew you could.

  425. I love the one where the Vikings and Panthers were caught, on national television, heating up the footballs with the sideline heaters, a clear case of tampering, or cheating, and all they got was a memo.

    Meanwhile, TB might have only been aware that two other guys might have been doing something with the footballs, and bam, 4 game suspension, plus sanctions for the Patriots, who were otherwise exonerated by Wells.

    ==========================

    What the Vikings/Panthers did was in full public view and the ball boys acting on their own. Brady schemed to alter the footballs after inspection by the refs. The Vikings/Panthers cooperated fully while the Pats did not. The Pats impeded the investigation and lied. Jaywalking vs robbery.

    Plus the Patriots are a habitual offender of schemes orchestrated by their coach and QB.

    >

  426. MMack, you need to do the research, the judge never called Roger Goodell, never. You are a flat out liar on this issue. Goodell testified to what Rice told him. Goodell then said he felt what was on the video tape was starkly different then what Rice told him. Rice testified that he hit her and she fell to the floor and knocked herself out. He never said that she slipped and fell and knocked herself out. However, even Rice’s testimony does not even come close to the reality of that tape. He punched her in the mouth and she was lights out before she even gotten to the floor. She didn’t knock herself out, the punch in the mouth knocked her out. The judge ruled she was not persuaded that Rice lied to Goodell. However, she was going on what both men said they said. She obviously did not use the tape to dispute Rice’s account.

  427. luckyforus says:
    Aug 12, 2016 5:22

    Why would Wells investigate if McNally could make the psi greater? I don’t follow.

    ———

    I did not suggest that. There were 2 parts to my comments. The first, Wells makes a point of saying his conclusion is based in part on McNally’s text messages that would presume adding air to the footballs. Wells infers that could only be done after they are inspected by the officials. My point is that McNally could be successful doing it before they are inspected. Wells doesn’t even bother to try to discredit that as a possibility. I suggest that is because he never considered it. If his mind was open to all possibilities, we would have considered it.

    The second part was about the needle. That is where I suggested that Wells investigated further. He interviewed officials for other games at Gillette, asking questions about McNally’s practices in the officials locker room. Wells even noted that the officials had good things to say about McNally, that he was cordial and got them whatever they needed. So…..what if officials, prior to the Jets game, had been telling McNally “sure would be nice if you had a needle for both the pump and the gauge so we didn’t have to keep switching it”. My point is that Wells could have asked officials that worked games prior to the Jets game if he had provided one needle and if so, had any of them commented on it. But it appears Wells didn’t bother. He should have.

  428. John, are you talking about the Jets ball boy trying to introduce unapproved K-Balls into the game? The example the NFPLA so unwisely used in Brady’s defense? If that is the case, I have tried to research that event. And could only find bits on it. Is that the incident?

  429. Tee hee 🙂 Patriot Hater really is getting more and more desperate aren’t they? 🙂

    They know the collection of trash they call their team will never measure up to US so they think getting completely owned in a debate with Patriot Fan is their brush with greatness.

    So freaking hilarious!

    🙂

  430. I love the one where the Vikings and Panthers were caught, on national television, heating up the footballs with the sideline heaters, a clear case of tampering, or cheating, and all they got was a memo.

    Meanwhile, TB might have only been aware that two other guys might have been doing something with the footballs, and bam, 4 game suspension, plus sanctions for the Patriots, who were otherwise exonerated by Wells.

    Can you say arbitrary and capricious? I knew you could.
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    That was great. The league’s laughable explanation on why they handled the two situations differently was that, paraphrasing, they knew the Panthers were cheating, so that wasn’t as serious. That was the NFL’s logic: “We definitely know rules were broken in Situation A. No doubt about it, it was caught on camera. We’ll let that slide with a warning. In Situation B, though, we don’t have any direct evidence of wrongdoing, but we’re going with the nuclear option for punishment.”

    The league also looked past the Panthers team doctor supplying the defensive line with banned PEDs and being indicted on steroids charges when deciding if they were a repeat offender.

    Who told the Panthers ball boys to tamper with the footballs? Is that standard procedure for them? Do they tamper with footballs in other situations? No one knows the answer to those questions because the league just sent a letter telling Carolina to cut it out.

  431. How about Ben with his 4G ‘wristband’ that looked nothing like a wristband. For all we know, he could have been looking at video of the opposing defense that had just been sent to him.

    But the steelers just say it was a wristband, so no need to look into it.

    And Goodell says okay, i’m good.

  432. Who told the Panthers ball boys to tamper with the footballs? Is that standard procedure for them? Do they tamper with footballs in other situations? No one knows the answer to those questions because the league just sent a letter telling Carolina to cut it out.

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    If Brady was honest and admitted he did it then he would have probably received a lesser penalty. But no he fought and lied.

    So they hammered him. I personally think he should have been suspended a year and Belichick too for spy gate.

    What Brady did was classless, arrogant, low character and pathetic. I used to respect him as a great QB. Not any longer. He devised a despicable scheme to cheat and and he lied about it. He knew the NFL had no procedures in place to prevent it so he took advantage of it and cheated. Remember the email from Grigson. ” It’s common knowledge that Brady likes ball on the soft side.” Grigson wouldn’t make something like this up and if he did make it up what’s the chances of all the suspicious texts and other circumstantial evidence.

    Your boy is guilty and a liar and actually that’s too bad because he is a great QB and up until deflate gate a great role model and leader.

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  433. Brady schemed to alter the footballs after inspection by the refs.

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    Not according to Wells. He didn’t even say that about McNally and Jestremski. The most Wells said was that it was more probable that they schemed than it was that that they didn’the. That is NOT the same as coming right out and saying they did. He left open the possibility they didn’t scheme.

    Brady……the most Well said on him was that it was more probable that Brady was generally aware of a more probable than not scheme than it was he was not generally aware of a more probable than not scheme. Not EVEN close to you comment “Brady schemed….”.

  434. Not according to Wells. He didn’t even say that about McNally and Jestremski. The most Wells said was that it was more probable that they schemed than it was that that they didn’the. That is NOT the same as coming right out and saying they did. He left open the possibility they didn’t scheme.

    Brady……the most Well said on him was that it was more probable that Brady was generally aware of a more probable than not scheme than it was he was not generally aware of a more probable than not scheme. Not EVEN close to you comment “Brady schemed….”.

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    You should be happy with Goodell and Wells they went soft on Brady. But we all know the real truth that Brady cheated. Even you deep down know that, you’re just desperate to protect his integrity and the trophies.

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  435. Remember when either Kensil or Vincent was asked about looking into the fact that Aaron Rodgers says he tries to sneak overinflated footballs past the refs, and they said that they didn’t do anything because they didn’t want to overreact?

    That appeal hearing was comedy gold.

    You really have to be one dumb son of a b to ever believe anything that comes out of the league office.

  436. 345snarkavenue says:
    Aug 12, 2016 9:00 PM

    If the evidence that Wells used to make the conclusions in his report were so damping, why would one not share it?
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    I would imagine that the real reason is that there was little to no evidence of tampering, so they just had to sit around and make everything up.

    They spent all of that time investigating, and in the end, all they could come up with were a bunch or out of context text messages, most of which were from months before the AFCCG. Even Exponent, who get paid to reach whatever conclusion that the people that hired them want, couldn’t conclude that the footballs were definitely tampered with.

    The investigation notes were probably just a few buzz words on a single sheet of paper.

    1. Bathroom
    2. Deflator
    3. ESPN
    4. Non-logo gauge

  437. The information supplied by the Colts equipment guys, Sean Sullivan and Brian Seabrooks, and what Wells did with it is worth noting.

    “They also cited unspecified chatter throughout the League that the Patriots prefer their footballs softer than other teams and that visiting teams should be on guard when playing at Gillette Stadium. They could not identify a specific source for this information or reference particular conversations.”

    Their “evidence” reads like a high school rumor – “Everyone knows Jimmy drinks a bottle of whiskey every day before school.” If it was really “well known” that the Patriots let air out of footballs, they should be able to cite someone else in the league who agrees with them or told them about it. Instead, neither man could identify a source for this.

    Wells doesn’t elaborate on this at all. He could have contacted the equipment managers for a few teams, say the other AFCE teams, to see if they heard the same rumors and helped build his case via circumstantial evidence. If Wells did this, it is never mentioned. Either he looked into it and couldn’t find any corroboration or he didn’t think it was important to substantiate the Colts story.

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