Is the damage to Bosa, Chargers relationship “irreparable”?

AP

It’s been 15 days since the Chargers and the agents representing defensive end Joey Bosa last communicated. If a new report regarding Bosa’s mindset is accurate, there may be no further reason to talk.

Via the San Diego Union-Tribune, Jason Cole of Bleacher Report characterizes the damage to the relationship as “irreparable.” Taken literally, this means the damage isn’t capable of being repaired. Which means that Bosa will possibly never sign a contract with the Chargers.

A prompt decision by the Chargers to yield regarding the offset issue or the bonus deferral issue could go a long way toward repairing that which is supposedly irreparable. But with the Chargers dug in, and with plenty of current and former Chargers calling out Bosa and not the team (possibly at the behest of the team), Bosa’s mindset could harden to the point where, even if the Chargers cave, Bosa won’t be interested in playing for them.

Recently, Bosa mother said the she wishes the family had “pulled an Eli Manning.” There’s still a way to do it: Declare that Bosa will exercise his prerogative to sit out the entire season and re-enter the draft in 2017.

That approach would entail plenty of risk, since he’d undoubtedly be drafted lower than No. 3, resulting in a contract far less valuable than the one he could have right now. Still, if the relationship truly is “irreparable,” the money shouldn’t matter.

142 responses to “Is the damage to Bosa, Chargers relationship “irreparable”?

  1. worst front offices in football.

    1)Chargers
    2)Browns
    3)49ers
    4)Dolphins
    5)Cowboys(By front office I mean Jerry)

    -Chargers fan currently considering to become a Rams fan.

  2. Because I’m ignorant:

    What does that mean for the Chargers as far as their 2016 pick goes? Would they receive a compensatory 1st round pick in the 2017 draft? How do they recoup a lost 3rd overall pick? Not saying he was going to be the savior of the franchise, but such a high pick could be huge if the right person were drafted. Are they left with nothing if he decides not to play for them?

  3. Is the damage to Bosa, Chargers relationship “irreparable”?

    Short answer, no. Oddly enough it has been proven many times that when the dollars are worked out healing magically occurs.

    This guy came with red flags about his attitude/character. Can’t say that his behavior of the moment is unexpected.

  4. Any time you see the word irreparable associated with a sports team negotiation….it usually is followed up with the athlete signing within just a few days, and all is well.

  5. Bosa is a fool. He will never get drafted anywhere near as high next year if he sits out the season. Fourth or third round if he’s lucky. Then he’s going to be firing his agent for the horrendous advice he’s getting.

    And if he comes in now he’ll be so far behind on conditioning and being in football shape the odds are very high he’ll be injured badly in his first 2-3 games.

    Or he could be making millions and a name for himself other than “idiot”.

    Yes the Chargers are being foolish too, but they have plenty of other players that might fill that gap Bosa is leaving whereas Bosa has no other opportunities for employment in the NFL.

  6. If I was a highly drafted by the NFL out of college, the last thing I’d want is my mommy proclaiming to the world how she didn’t do enough to protect her vulnerable little baby.

  7. Ok so he sits out this year and hopes to get drafted high next year. You’re right Mike that’s risky, he might ultimately get less money

  8. What do you expect from an Ohio State know-it-all?
    They’re so entitled they’re given nat’l title games after playing against the C-list teams.

  9. The Chargers need to start looking past Bosa and wondering how much long-term damage this is going to do to them with future picks. Really easy to imagine somebody pulling an Eli Manning on them after all this.

    The rookie pay scale was designed to take confrontation out of the equation. There’s essentially nothing to negotiate beyond these two fairly minor points and the Chargers have dug in on both of them by going contrary to what most of the rest of the league does with top picks. Can you imagine doing a deal with them where the entire contract was up to negotiation?

  10. Take a year off, kid. Stay in shape. Offer to help out back at Ohio State and stay around football. Take some special private instruction from some well renowned NFL coaches or respected sports groups. Hold youth camps for tackling around the country. Heck, do the combine again and show humility during interviews. Then, you may not have to play for San Diego. Eli was right. A year is not wasted just because you chose to walk away from this deal.

  11. Can’t really believe the front office would sacrifice the 3rd overall pick and get nothing in return and precedence of language in a contract

  12. Can’t really believe the front office would sacrifice the 3rd overall pick and get nothing in return and precedence of language in a contract

  13. insightfulcomments says:
    Aug 12, 2016 12:07 PM

    The bigger question is whether the Chargers will ever be able to sign a first round draft pick again. I suddenly have mkre respect for Archie Manning.
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    Nah, Archie is still a camera loving “punk”.

  14. I find it a little funny how quick people a to side with the Chargers. Day in and day out we get stories of how the league and teams strong arm ( in all kinds of situations ) the players that make this league what it is. I’m glad he’s digging in. The Chargers have a history of doing this. And the players who feel the need to speak about another players contract need to act like grown a** men and keep their mouth shut.

  15. Its going to get resolved one way or the other. He will sign somewhere between end of training camp and start of regular season.

    Just like it always happens in these cases.

    If he’s a great player no one will ever talk about it again, and if he becomes a bust it will have nothing to do with the contract dispute.

  16. I have never sided with a player before. But when ownership consistently has problems it probably means something.

    I am a regular guy but if I know the guy doing my job got a better deal last year and same with the years before that it’s human nature to feel taken advantage of. Bosa might make more money than us but he is still allowed to object to being screwed.

    Eli is a bozo but bozo and his dad were right.

    Spanos worst owners ever.

  17. If Bosa sits out a year of football, he’ll make much less money than he could have and is more likely to be a bust.

    If the Chargers don’t sign him, they will have wasted the third overall pick, brought embarrassment to the organization, and made it less likely they can sign future draft picks or free agents.

    Both sides are going to lose because they’re putting principle above practicality. I’m all for standing up for principle, but not when the principle is about offset language and deferred compensation. Both sides are trying to win and pretty soon it will be inevitable that both sides lose.

  18. hazmatt23 says:
    Aug 12, 2016 12:02 PM

    Because I’m ignorant:

    What does that mean for the Chargers as far as their 2016 pick goes? Would they receive a compensatory 1st round pick in the 2017 draft? How do they recoup a lost 3rd overall pick? Not saying he was going to be the savior of the franchise, but such a high pick could be huge if the right person were drafted. Are they left with nothing if he decides not to play for them?
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    They’re left with nothing. They had their chance and decided not to sign him. They will receive no compensation, but at least they’ll have their precious pride.

  19. I am a Charger fan and I remained stunned the Chargers are taking such a short-sided, damaging approach. If they would just offer to give him his signing bonus in 2016 (an amount which is not in question) this would be done. The Chargers want the people of San Diego to vote them a new stadium, and this is the message they want to send?

    They say they have desired Bosa for three years, and this is what they do? In what other business in the entire universe would this approach be considered appropriate?

    That being said, Bosa is only hurting himself and the sooner he gets to camp the sooner he can made the Chargers pay dearly on the second contract.

  20. I have it on good authority that part of Bosa’s contract demands (thru Urban Myer) is that the Chargers sign Tim Tebow to play QB at 22 million per year.

  21. He will either sign the day before the season starts, and lose no money, or wait until week 10, get all his signing bonus but forfeit game checks of unknown amount.

  22. @hazmatt23

    There’s no such thing as a compensatory first round pick, they’re always in rounds 3-7. But to answer your question, they would get nothing. Why should they get a compensatory pick when it’s their own fault for not being able to sign him? They’re 100% in control of the demands that are causing this situation, they shouldn’t be rewarded with another pick when the consequences of those demands actually happen.

  23. So he’s locked in a struggle about language that will only affect him if he absolutely sucks or maybe gets in trouble off the field and is cut. But he’s gonna somehow do better than #3 pick in the draft with now every team knowing he himself thinks there’s such a possibility he may suck or be a moron that he’s willing to hold out for it?! and someone is advising him to stick to his guns on this????

  24. Apparently Bosa’s agent never got the rookie cap memo. Somebody needs to tell him it’s not 2010.

  25. The chargers didn’t “need” Bosa they NEEDED a sure fire Offensive Tackle.

    Dumb draft choice, dumb neanderthal Buckeye……Dumb Chargers FO.

  26. mogogo1 says:
    Aug 12, 2016 12:07 PM
    The Chargers need to start looking past Bosa and wondering how much long-term damage this is going to do to them with future picks. Really easy to imagine somebody pulling an Eli Manning on them after all this.

    The rookie pay scale was designed to take confrontation out of the equation. There’s essentially nothing to negotiate beyond these two fairly minor points and the Chargers have dug in on both of them by going contrary to what most of the rest of the league does with top picks. Can you imagine doing a deal with them where the entire contract was up to negotiation?

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    If that is so, then why won’t Bosa just give in? – if they are truly minor points.

    Bosa could just sign, become a star, and then leave San Diego at the end of his rookie deal.

  27. MAJOR BUST!

    bosa needs to grow up and learn not everything is handed to him because he wants it.

    CFL, here he comes.

  28. ” Are they left with nothing if he decides not to play for them?”

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    Yes, it becomes a lost draft pick and an albatross of ineptitude for their gm and owner

  29. not only will he wind up with a smaller contract, but if he turns out to be good, he will get to the big money a year later and lose a year of that.

    he needs to suck it up or he will lose big

  30. TheDPR says:
    Aug 12, 2016 12:07 PM
    I’d be interested to know whether the idiot is the player or the agent(s) in this case.
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    How about the team? This is some bush league stuff here out of them.

  31. Can PFT do some data analysis for us? To me it seems the Chargers are cheap in deferring the bonus over time (so they can collect interest on it) but if 90% of all rookies get deferred, then maybe not. Its hard to blame Bosa if no one gets deferred bonuses and the Chargers are doing it. I really don’t think the offset is holding this up. That is fairly standard as far as I’ve heard.

  32. The longer this goes on the harder the chargers should dig in. Now that he is missing more time, the risk of injury (possibly career ending or defining) goes up. That makes the offset language even more important because if he gets badly injured due to lack of conditioning it is more likely he will be cut prior to the contract being played out.

  33. …..I bet good teams that drafted at the bottom of this years draft are calling the Chargers to offer next years #1 & a player ,for his rights…….don’t you know somehow he’ll end up with Patriots or Seahawks….

  34. As I believe the Chargers are to blame here, I’d love to see this kid take a stand and sit out the year, if needed. If the Chargers don’t want to include contract terms that players drafted this high typically receive, they should either win enough games to avoid being at the top of the draft or trade down to a slot where players receive terms the team likes.

    Bosa should look for a TV gig this year and focus on getting ready for next year’s draft if the Chargers don’t change their stance. I’d like to see him on TV this year…would like to hear the opinions of someone brave enough to challenge pompous management of that team.

    Slipping to round 2 or a little later would be all bad either, as he’d get to unrestricted free agency sooner. As a first round pick, teams can exercise that 5th year option, which isn’t player friendly. Ask Deandre Hopkins if he’d rather have been a 2nd round pick. Von Miller is another example, except for the fact that being Super Bowl MVP gave him the leverage he needed to get a new contract from the Broncos.

  35. This has gone from bad to worse at warp speed. If Bosa sit’s I just don’t see how he even get’s close to the 1st round. Leagues have long memories when it comes to things like this.

    Is that much money being deferred? It’s hard to believe with everyone else signed. And to take the risk of being the 3rd pick to being who know’s what round next year?

    His mom should know that only QB’s can pull that “hostage” move because their position is so crucial. Only Elway and Manning have done it and Elway had a contract with the Yankee’s on the table which gave him great leverage. Manning is well Manning. When your dad played in the league and your brother is tearing it up as well, that will carry some weight.

    I just hope Bosa’s agent knows what he’s doing….

  36. From the player standpoint, history shows you really only have the Elway/Manning window of making a big annoying stink about it before the draft and making a grow your face while you hold your jersey for this to work out.

    After that you’re in Michael Crabtree / Andre Smith territory. In that case you end up looking like a selfish idiot with bad advisors no matter what, dooming your entire stay with your team. If you’re lucky someone calls MC Hammer to come in and mediate.

    Either way, how the hell does this still happen?

  37. @jackedupsports you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Do some research you child before making any more comments.

  38. “So much for that rookie contract restriction in the CBA fixing all of this huh?”

    Except it has generally fixed 99% of the holdouts we used to see. This is a unique case and by far the worst one to come up since the rookie wage scale was implemented.

  39. Here’s the deal Charger fans… Bosa practiced and admitted that he did not win one single matchup against the offensive line. He knows he will not be able to make it in the league… SO, he is fighting for his entire signing bonus to be paid up-front…. He will bank that money and when he busts… he will have something to fall back on…

    versus only being paid half that amount and then flaming out.

  40. He just turned 21. If he goes into the 2017 draft, he’s like a college senior who sat out his senior year without any injury or behavior problems. I’m sure he will stay in shape.

  41. Oh… and if he sits out and is re-drafted, then he will hope that the team pays the entire bonus in almost exactly a year from now. Though he does need to be careful about his 2017 draft position.. but I’m sure that he, and his ego think that he will be drafted top 10.

  42. The Chargers have dug themselves into a deep hole, not just because the front office has drawn a line in the sand, but because some of their players have spoken up, essentially on the team’s behalf.

    If I was Bosa, I would be livid that Charger players have interfered in his contract business. If it was just one player, ok, fine, but no, there are four or five who have spoken up. This is wrong. It is none of their business. You did not hear a bunch of Charger players chirping up about Philip Rivers’ extension, telling him what to do.

    The Chargers have erred here. They should never have let it get this far. One thing that could save face, perhaps, is if the owner personally gets involved, holds his nose, and gives Bosa the bonus money. Bosa makes a conciliatory statement to the effect that he really respects the owner, and therefore, the team, then he go out and play until he gets injured from not enough proper training.

  43. lingsun54 says:
    Aug 12, 2016 12:06 PM

    The problem isn’t Bosa. It’s the Chargers. It’s an insult to want to pay the guaranteed money next year.

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    The problem actually IS both sides.
    1) on Bosa’s front, does he doubt himself that he would not be able to make the team in the second year or was he planning on taking the money and running or something? Obviously, something had to make the Chargers want to split the guaranteed money on him. Maybe it’s the character issues people are citing, maybe it’s something else. The money exists in the rookie pool to pay the amount slotted.
    2) On the Chargers’ front, if you had this much doubt about the player, why did you draft him? I heard one player say that the Chargers’ front office NEVER gives the entire signing bonus in the first year. Sometimes things have to change. The rise of the rookie pool and slotting the contracts means there are no totally ridiculous pays like in years past for an unproven commodity, so maybe it’s time to change your outlook on paying the full signing bonus in the first year.

  44. This guy is showing his thin skin. As a Charger fan, I was still on his side because of the AJ Smith days and just get what you can get. But to have your mommy talk trash for you and a “source” talk for you because you do not have the stones to do it yourself says it all. Get in and play and make 10x on contract #2 if you are is good as your mommy says you are.

  45. jonathankrobinson424 says:
    Aug 12, 2016 12:37 PM

    …..I bet good teams that drafted at the bottom of this years draft are calling the Chargers to offer next years #1 & a player ,for his rights…….don’t you know somehow he’ll end up with Patriots or Seahawks….

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    Unfortunately that window closed Tuesday. Plus, no team had any money left in their rookie pool to swing a deal.

  46. While I think the Chargers are mishandling this, I see no reason why Bosa should be so mad that the damage is permanent.
    Bosa will eventually give in, and get paid his guaranteed money 26.5MM I believe. He won’t make a dime less bu giving in.
    He’ll be set back months but by the time 3-4 years have passed, this won’t have any impact.

    The ones who are hurt are the Chargers, who will get little production from him this year.

    No long term harm done.

    3-4 years from now, both sides should be able to negotiate without any hard feelings.

  47. I really do hope he sits out the entire year and re-enters the draft. Then, the Chargers draft him again in like the 4th or 5th round.

  48. SIMPLE

    If you cant afford a high first round pick
    Trade down
    If your to cheap to pay a top 3 pick
    Trade down
    If you think anyone in the future wont want to play for your team because your cheap
    Trade down

    Fact just trade down

    Sad

    Looks like you cant buy a Super Bowl !!!

    LOL

  49. Sorry, unproven as are all draft picks, you just don’t have the leverage either with the team or the fans. Prove it on the field first, rookie.

  50. What a mess. Here is my take. To be as entrenched as the Chargers are on the minor details they must have seen something in his attitude or behavior during the off season. Given the fact that the money is guaranteed whether it is split over two years or paid out at signing why would a kid with some character issues in the past not sign that deal. It would show that he has grown and matured. Not saying that it is right but the Chargers took a chance on him and now he is going to say he wants all the money upfront. He is getting some bad advice. What owner is going to ok taking this kid with a high draft pick? What GM is going to? Tell them you’ll sign on their terms and the next contract will be signed on your terms. The money is the same either way. The longer this goes the more it looks like maybe this kid hasn’t changed at all.

  51. Everyone points out that Bosa, if he holds out the entire year, will re-enter the draft next year and end up being drafted much lower than #3 overall. And that he’ll also get far less money. What no one mentions is that there is also the risk that the Chargers, being run by some pretty stubborn people, could be the ones to redraft him. My question is … is there a scenario where he doesn’t re-enter the draft, and instead tries out for whatever team(s) he chooses as a “walk-on”.

  52. I swear that most commenters are either children or adults with the mind of a child.

    Comments such as Bosa is a bust or has character issues or should play for an under market contract because he hasn’t played a down in the NFL are beyond ignorant.

    Bosa was a beast in college football at a top tier University consistently. Character issues? Please, his entire career he was suspended for one game. Unsubstantiated reports are he tested positive for weed (OMG a college kid smoked a little weed!)…big deal.

    A billionaire owner from an organization that makes billions annually doesn’t want to pay an employee fair market under rookie guideline. Hmmmm…. Unless you’re a billionaire you should be siding with the employee unless you’re a complete dope.

  53. It’s easy to wave a big check in front of a kid from the streets and strong-arm him into signing it.

    But the Chargers have two problems here:

    1. Bosa’s family is loaded; and,
    2. You don’t get to strong-arm Tony Accardo’s great-grandson.

    They really should have done their research before pulling this stunt. It was never, ever going to fly with this kid.

  54. OSU just set a record for drafted players in the first 4 rounds this year. Has the second most 1st round picks all-time.

    If I had to guess I’d say USC, LSU or Florida have delivered more busts to the NFL by far.

  55. spikeit2times says:
    Aug 12, 2016 1:25 PM

    Everyone points out that Bosa, if he holds out the entire year, will re-enter the draft next year and end up being drafted much lower than #3 overall. And that he’ll also get far less money. What no one mentions is that there is also the risk that the Chargers, being run by some pretty stubborn people, could be the ones to redraft him. My question is … is there a scenario where he doesn’t re-enter the draft, and instead tries out for whatever team(s) he chooses as a “walk-on”.

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    This has been covered on this site in many of the other Bosa stories. The Chargers now have his rights until the start of the 2017 draft. The only way your scenario plays out is if he goes undrafted next year, which is unlikely.

  56. the Chargers are the one that wants it all, not Bosa. The Chargers are the one that is not following precedent from previous contracts for #3 draft picks.

    and yet some people believe that Bosa is the problem… smh….

  57. I wish folks would stop commenting that he’s actually not going to get all his money. If he signs, he’s getting 25-26 million guaranteed. No matter what.

    The only credible numbers I HEARD was this:

    Wentz got a 17.6 million bonus, with about 1-2 deferred to next year. And offsets.

    Elliot got a 16.3 million bonus, with about 3 deferred to next year. No offsets.

    Chargers offered 17 million bonus, with about 8 deferred to next year. And offsets.

    Bosa want all 17 million paid immediately with no offsets, but offered one or the other.

    The middle ground, and OMG Stephen A Smith might be right about something, would be to meat at 2 million deferred. According to Bosa’s stance, he wouldn’t accept that. If the Chargers did offer 2 deferred, then I’d say it was on Bosa. If the Chargers are still holding at 8 deferred without offering the offsets, than it’s on them.

  58. A real mamas boy ha she getting some $ too
    ,like LT said get to camp play some football and prove your worth anything..punk agent for a punk player!bigAl x charger fan current Cardinal fan funny Cards are now class and Chargers are classless

  59. How come the chargers are the only team that’s had this problem. Seems to me like its something to do with their front office and it’s not like they have no history of being like this either.

  60. If the Chargers decided that Bosa was worthy of the 3rd overall selection, then they should be willing to give him a contract that mirrors previous years and include no offset language – with the exception of failed drug tests etc.

    If the team genuinely have concerns that this player ‘might’ cause them to require such language in a contract, then why on Earth select him!

    The team should either accept that Bosa is only asking for what others have received being selected so high, or look to trade his rights for a player already under contract so they won’t have to negotiate anything!

  61. The only way to understand this is that Bosa thinks that he is so good that when he goes in the lower rounds in the next draft, he will be able to hit free agency and a huge payday much sooner. It is hard to see how those numbers could work, but there is almost no other way to understand his actions. But, at least one can understand how Bosa might think this way. The real question is how the Chargers can come out ahead. If he was a #15 or #20, you could possibly make sense of them completely erasing the pick, but a #3 is a hard thing to completely lose.

  62. This is all on the Chargers and not on Bosa. Team is being cheap. I don’t know anything about Bosa’s alleged character issues, but holding back his bonus is ludicrous .

  63. dpberke says:
    Aug 12, 2016 1:44 PM

    OSU just set a record for drafted players in the first 4 rounds this year. Has the second most 1st round picks all-time.

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    While I’m getting sick of the over the top Buckeye hate, you do realize that by the law of averages you just argued the other side of the case.

  64. hazmatt23 says: Aug 12, 2016 12:02 PM
    Because I’m ignorant:

    What does that mean for the Chargers as far as their 2016 pick goes? Would they receive a compensatory 1st round pick in the 2017 draft? How do they recoup a lost 3rd overall pick? Not saying he was going to be the savior of the franchise, but such a high pick could be huge if the right person were drafted. Are they left with nothing if he decides not to play for them?
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    They lose the pick. No compensation.
    Its on them to sign the player.
    And this is their screwup. I can see their point on the offset, but they are wrong on the bonus payout, they are the one changing from what has been done.

  65. rocoop says:
    Aug 12, 2016 2:40 PM

    Both Wentz and Elliott have offset language and deferred bonus money in their deals….

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    True, however you might want to look up exactly how much is deferred and until when. Also might want to look at previous #3 draft pick deals. All the info is out there in this day and age.

  66. if it is true that this kid is related to tony accardo, i can assure you, he will not be bullied by anyone. not the front office, and not the owner.

    but accardo always preferred a political solution if possible, and it seems like bosa’s agent did that by offering to split the difference….

  67. immafubared says:
    Aug 12, 2016 2:54 PM

    Its absolutely horribly damaged and irrepairable. Until they agree on money then love fest city.

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    Except it’s not about money in the strictest sense of the word. It’s about how much of the bonus the Chargers can pay out later (and in this case the Chargers want it to be a full year later), and how much another team becomes responsible for should he be cut prior to his 4 years.

  68. While I’m getting sick of the over the top Buckeye hate, you do realize that by the law of averages you just argued the other side of the case.

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    Actually I don’t get your vague point. While every school will produce busts from time to time a quick search shows that the top schools in producing first round busts over the past 15 years are Florida, Penn St, Florida ST., North Carolina and Wisconsin.

    OSU has had some busts, one that comes to mind recently is Vernon Gohlston by the Jets at #6 if I remember correctly.

    As an OSU fan I can say that Cardale Jones even getting drafted as a QB (albeit a 4th round) is a mistake. While he had a nice run after Braxton Miller and JT Barret got hurt, he was equally fortunate during the Championship run. He flat out can not pass the ball or make decisions at a high level.

  69. blackshirtz says:
    Aug 12, 2016 12:46 PM

    Here’s the deal Charger fans… Bosa practiced and admitted that he did not win one single matchup against the offensive line. He knows he will not be able to make it in the league… SO, he is fighting for his entire signing bonus to be paid up-front…. He will bank that money and when he busts… he will have something to fall back on…

    First, almost everyone drafted near him get the signing bonus up front. The Chargers are only being miserly and expect Bosa to cave in to their ridiculous demands. Second, I see a lot of uninformed comments in here that he’s afraid to take the offset. No, that’s not the case. The Chargers want Bosa to accept offset, which he’s willing to do. They also want him to accept a deferred bonus, which he’s willing to do. However, he’s only willing to do one or the other, not both. The Chargers want both. I’d be willing to bet ZERO draft choices this year, especially one in the top 5, has had this demanded of them. The Chargers are just being stupid. All you people crapping on Bosa because of this would probably do the exact same thing if you were in his position. I’d laugh if he tells them where to put it and sits out. Then, even if he does drop in the draft, he’d go to a better team (which wouldn’t be hard) and a better organization (which would be any other team). Then the Chargers can do this again next year and try to squeeze that pick. Good luck getting any free agents to sign if you are going to try to sign Macy’s-quality merchandise and pay Wal-Mart prices.

    And by the way, he showed up for the mini-camp WITHOUT a contract. I bet if he had hurt himself the Chargers wouldn’t have treated him the way the Jags did when they still negotiated their contract with him in good faith. The Chargers organization is pathetic.

  70. This somewhat confuses me.

    I know the Chargers haven’t been the best in this situation, but if Bosa wants to re-enter the draft — which even has the potential for him going UDFA; and he will likely be picked much lower than 3rd-overall, which means a LOT less money — why would he still be holding out?

    He’d be willing to earn much less — in regular and bonus guarantee — yet, won’t concede with the Chargers on deferral of bonus?

    Of course, I’m just speculating, but something strikes me as odd when he MIGHT be willing to earn millions less but is holding out for more…

  71. lightninglucci says:
    Aug 12, 2016 2:10 PM

    I wish folks would stop commenting that he’s actually not going to get all his money. If he signs, he’s getting 25-26 million guaranteed. No matter what.

    The only credible numbers I HEARD was this:

    Wentz got a 17.6 million bonus, with about 1-2 deferred to next year. And offsets.

    Elliot got a 16.3 million bonus, with about 3 deferred to next year. No offsets.

    Chargers offered 17 million bonus, with about 8 deferred to next year. And offsets.

    Bosa want all 17 million paid immediately with no offsets, but offered one or the other.

    The middle ground, and OMG Stephen A Smith might be right about something, would be to meat at 2 million deferred. According to Bosa’s stance, he wouldn’t accept that. If the Chargers did offer 2 deferred, then I’d say it was on Bosa. If the Chargers are still holding at 8 deferred without offering the offsets, than it’s on them.

    I almost NEVER defend players in negotiations but the Chargers are being unreasonable. Even if those numbers above are correct, there’s a large disparity to the amount deferred. In case you’re not good at math, 8 is significantly higher than 1-2 or 3. In fact, they want Bosa to take significantly more than double those numbers. Additionally, you are wrong about saying he doesn’t want any money deferred and doesn’t want any offset language. That’s completely untrue. Every story they have been running the past few weeks on this has been he’ll agree to one or the other NOT BOTH. More people need to read before making uninformed comments.

  72. I’m almost always with the teams in these things, but Bosa is in the right. Prior to the current CBA, the owners argued that they didn’t want to pay so much for unproven players and that the money would best be used on veteran players. Out of all the blustering and posturing, they got the rookie wage scale and less money has made it into veteran hands. Now the owners want to include additional provisions that protect them into rookie contracts after they already were given a wage scale? At some point, no matter how pro employer you are, you have to call BS. Bosa’s side has said he’ll agree to either the deferred bonus or the offset language, but not both.

    And to the people blathering on about him being a bust, shut up, you just sound like knee-jerk idiots.

  73. The Bosa camp seems to want to preserve the long tradition of Bosa men busting out of the NFL. There are already compelling indicators that Bosa doesn’t have the athletic traits to justify his lofty draft position.

  74. The Chargers are really really not in the position to be playing hardball over this. You aren’t going to win a vote in the fall for a new stadium with Joey Bosa sitting on the sideline. This franchise already has a shaky reputation in the front office before any of this came to light in the first place.

  75. Anyone that doesn’t understand Bosa’s position is an employer’s dupe. He wants what every other 3rd pick has become. He’s not greedy or stupid, the Chargers are. Stay resolute and fight for what you, as the third overall pick, deserve. Stupid Charger organisation.

  76. I wish folks would stop commenting that he’s actually not going to get all his money. If he signs, he’s getting 25-26 million guaranteed. No matter what.

    The only credible numbers I HEARD was this:

    Wentz got a 17.6 million bonus, with about 1-2 deferred to next year. And offsets.

    Elliot got a 16.3 million bonus, with about 3 deferred to next year. No offsets.

    Chargers offered 17 million bonus, with about 8 deferred to next year. And offsets.

    Bosa want all 17 million paid immediately with no offsets, but offered one or the other.

    The middle ground, and OMG Stephen A Smith might be right about something, would be to meat at 2 million deferred. According to Bosa’s stance, he wouldn’t accept that. If the Chargers did offer 2 deferred, then I’d say it was on Bosa. If the Chargers are still holding at 8 deferred without offering the offsets, than it’s on them.

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    Finally somebody that gets the facts right, although Elliot has off-sets too. His money is guaranteed, he will get it all. It’s just a matter of a few months. Proven vets accept similar terms. The only irreparable damage being done is between him and his future teammates. He is also just one player, not gonna make or break the Charger’s season. They have a lot of good young defensive players, one of which is earning Bosa’s spot. Heard an interview with Darius Philon, keep an eye on this guy.

  77. Somethings are more important than money, if I’m Bosa I set a deadline on when I will reenter the draft and make it public, then sit out and reenter draft next yr, he will still be a top 10 pick and for a team that is trying to win a championship….and to the former players acting on behalf of the Chargers ownership, shut your trap….you got your money now you want someone to take less….the kid is the 3rd pick in the draft…..give him his guaranteed money and forget about the offset….

  78. Bosa is “irreparably” damaging his own reputation. Do you not think that the other 31 GM’s and Owners in the league are looking at Bosa (and his mommy) and breathing a sigh of relief that they didn’t draft this prima donna? Even if Bosa sits out and re-enters the draft, the next team to draft him is going to thing long and hard about it beforehand. If he does eventually sign, he better outplay that friggin contract or his next one will have a heavy discount due to the headaches this guy will cause. Good job Joey and Mom!

  79. The Chargers want Bosa to accept a worse contract than any No. 3 pick has ever accepted. Would you really budge if you were him? If you knew you going to play a sport that may very well result in your brains being scrambled? This is all on the Chargers. Either give on the offset language, or give in on the bonus demands be done with it.

  80. devindenv says:
    Aug 12, 2016 4:20 PM

    Bosa is “irreparably” damaging his own reputation. Do you not think that the other 31 GM’s and Owners in the league are looking at Bosa (and his mommy) and breathing a sigh of relief that they didn’t draft this prima donna?

    No, the other 31 GMs and Owners probably are laughing at how stupid the Chargers are. Anyone in the AFC West probably loves this because they get to play the sorry Chargers twice. Let’s face it, they didn’t get to draft #3 because they went to the Super Bowl. They draft #3 because they suck. They suck because their front office is a joke.

  81. I used to think Mike Brown (Bengals owner) was bad because all he ever cared about was making money and didn’t care if they didn’t win a game. That changed with Marvin Lewis and now they are at least respectable. As bad as the Bengals’ front office was, the Chargers’ front office is immeasurably worse. Brown at least paid the draft picks, even though he had several busts. The Chargers are too cheap to even sign them.

  82. Choosing a side in this dispute is starting to feel like choosing between 2 fatal illnesses. It doesn’t matter which one you choose, you’ll hate it and it won’t end well.

  83. I am with Bosa on this one. If the Chargers thinks the offset and deferral are inconsequential, they should just give it to him.

    Rookies are already screwed by the rookie wage scale and the 5th year option, and the franchise tag.

    Just give the guy the money that a 3rd overall pick is due.

  84. whenwilliteverend says:
    Aug 12, 2016 4:37 PM
    devindenv says:
    Aug 12, 2016 4:20 PM

    Bosa is “irreparably” damaging his own reputation. Do you not think that the other 31 GM’s and Owners in the league are looking at Bosa (and his mommy) and breathing a sigh of relief that they didn’t draft this prima donna?

    No, the other 31 GMs and Owners probably are laughing at how stupid the Chargers are. Anyone in the AFC West probably loves this because they get to play the sorry Chargers twice. Let’s face it, they didn’t get to draft #3 because they went to the Super Bowl. They draft #3 because they suck. They suck because their front office is a joke.
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    No, the other GM’s and Owners are thinking that Bosa, if and when he signs a contract, better play like the second coming of Lawrence Taylor or he ain’t worth the bulls hit he will bring with him. The numbers are certainly not in Bosa’s favor either – as over the past 10 yrs. the Hits vs. Busts in the 1st round are like 54% to 46%. Every day Bosa sits out makes it more difficult for him to succeed.

  85. scrotiemcb says:
    Aug 12, 2016 3:37 PM

    The Bosa camp seems to want to preserve the long tradition of Bosa men busting out of the NFL. There are already compelling indicators that Bosa doesn’t have the athletic traits to justify his lofty draft position

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    You are a fool who clearly never saw him play one single down. If nothing else he is extremely athletic, fast and strong…..ergo the number 3 pick in the draft.

    You should suggest the Chargers renounce their rights to him now. Then I’ll hope and pray the team I follow scoops him up immediately!

  86. @whenwilliteverend,

    You misread my sentence there. I’ll assume it was not clear enough and clarify:

    “Bosa wanted all 17 million paid immediately with no offsets, but Bosa offered to settle for one or the other.”

    You go on to say that 8 is different than 3, 2, or 1, which I agree. This is why I said if the Chargers were sticking with 8, they should offer the offsets, which presumably Bosa would accept. If no offsets, the only reasonable compromise would be to offer 2 deferred.

    Otherwise, what else is left other than one side completely giving in?

  87. whenwilliteverend says:
    Aug 12, 2016 4:39 PM

    I used to think Mike Brown (Bengals owner) was bad because all he ever cared about was making money and didn’t care if they didn’t win a game. That changed with Marvin Lewis and now they are at least respectable. As bad as the Bengals’ front office was, the Chargers’ front office is immeasurably worse. Brown at least paid the draft picks, even though he had several busts. The Chargers are too cheap to even sign them

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    You had me until Marvin Lewis. The Bengals are the Bungles because, despite having talent now, somehow their idiot coach still has a job in spite of the fact he has proven to be a horrible in game coach and his inability to get his players to stop taking unnecessary and game altering personal foul calls.

  88. No matter which way you slice it, the Chargers screwed the pooch when they picked this guy.

    Their biggest needs were at OT and S and they had their pick of Ronnie Stanley, Laremy Tunsil (who may very well pan out in spite of the leaked video) or Jalen Ramsey. When God-dell announced the pick, my jaw dropped to the floor.

    Anyway, if he does sign, he’ll be late in learning the scheme and he may come in games as a situational pass rusher. In other words, this season will be a wash.

    On the other hand, if he doesn’t sign, he sits out a year and re-enters the draft next year. Either way, the Chargers messed up.

  89. spikeit2times says:
    Aug 12, 2016 1:25 PM
    Everyone points out that Bosa, if he holds out the entire year, will re-enter the draft next year and end up being drafted much lower than #3 overall. And that he’ll also get far less money. What no one mentions is that there is also the risk that the Chargers, being run by some pretty stubborn people, could be the ones to redraft him. My question is … is there a scenario where he doesn’t re-enter the draft, and instead tries out for whatever team(s) he chooses as a “walk-on”.

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    That could actually happen…only problem is he will have to be passed over in the entire draft. He doesn’t have to “enter” the draft to be drafted. I remember the Raiders drafting Bo Jackson while he was playing baseball. If a team drafts a player they have the rights to that player, which could be bargained away from a team that really wants him.

    Both Bosa and the Chargers are playing russian roulette with this one. At some point we will find out who get’s shot in the temple first. I must admit, I’ve never heard of a rookie getting all his money up front, don’t mean it hasn’t happened, I’ve just never heard of it.

    Just seems like theirs more to this than we are being told.

  90. People forget that the Chargers came out on top in the Eli Manning trade, we’d do it again too.

    Sure New York got rings with Eli. But they would’ve gotten more with Rivers.

  91. If they liked him enough to take him at 3, why on earth wouldn’t they meet him half way. A three pick SHOULD be a starter for years to come. Why poison the relationship with someone your scouts believe will be a STAR. This is how you treat a walk-on or a fringe vet with little left. Nothing wrong with asking for a deferral OR an offset, but to insist on both is huge disrespect for someone drafted this high. If the Chargers don’t compromise real soon they will be huge losers here. I hope the kid sits out unless the team becomes reasonable!!!

  92. worst front offices in football.

    1)Chargers
    2)Browns
    3)49ers
    4)Dolphins
    5)Cowboys(By front office I mean Jerry)

    -Chargers fan currently considering to become a Rams fan.

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    Oh come on, the Niners are #1.

  93. These comments are hilarious, someone people commenting on something they have very little facts or knowledge about….gotta love the internet.

  94. I’m surprised as how many people want to take the Chargers’ side on this.

    And by how often fans want to side with Owners over players.

    Look, they drafted him 3rd. Why should he accept deferred payment on a part of this signing bonus? What other top overall pick is doing that?

    Why should he accept offset language? What other top pick is doing that.

    If he had fallen to my Ravens, do you really think we’re pushing offset language or deferring payments?

    The Chargers FO and ownership are bush league.

    Eli and the Manning Family were right.

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