John Harbaugh joins the chorus questioning the new kickoff rule

AP

Ravens coach John Harbaugh was a special teams coordinator before he was a head coach, so he has spent more time thinking about strategy and tactics in the kicking game than most head coaches. And Harbaugh has joined the growing chorus speaking out against the NFL’s new kickoff touchback rule.

The rule, which puts touchbacks after kickoffs on the 25-yard line instead of the 20-yard line, was intended to reduce the number of kickoff returns by incentivizing the return team to stay in the end zone. But many coaches and players think it will have the opposite effect, incentivizing the kicking team to kick high and short.

The goal is misappropriated,” Harbaugh told ESPN. “If you’re trying to get the kickoff out of the game, just take it out. I don’t like the whole premise at all, as far fewer returns, which will make the game less exciting. Maybe that’s their goal, to make it be less exciting. If you want to make it safer, I think there are better ways to look at that. We just have to be smart about it.”

Others who have expressed skepticism about the new touchback rule include longtime NFL kicker Jay Feely, all-time great kick returner Devin Hester, Washington coach Jay Gruden and New Orleans coach Sean Payton.

This new rule increasingly looks like it was not well thought out, and that it will not have the effect the league wanted.

62 responses to “John Harbaugh joins the chorus questioning the new kickoff rule

  1. Of course it was not well thought out… the league office mandated it, apparently, without getting input from players and coaches. But then that’s the arrogant Goodell pattern of Father Knows Best, isn’t it?

  2. First off, I don’t believe for a second that Harbaugh “understands the rules”. He’s made that abundantly clear when he was outsmarted & outcoached in the playoffs.

    Secondly, is anyone surprised that this was “not well thought out” ? You have a committee changing special teams rules with no former ST coaches on it. You have a 13 billion dollar business who’s head of officiating was never an official. And you have a former NY Jets intern with ZERO qualifications at the head of this 13 billion dollar business.

  3. “”Ravens coach John Harbaugh was a special teams coordinator before he was a head coach, so he has spent more time thinking about strategy and tactics in the kicking game than most head coaches””….. That explains why he doesn’t understand Basic 30 year old formations played within the rules……Like in the playoffs against the Patriots.

    When he was completely out coach by a Coach who knows more about the three phases of the game in one hand than Harbaugh knows in his whole body….just shut up John and Pray that you are 8 & 8 this year

  4. At some point you have to acknowledge that the sport has health risks that can carry over to post football. That’s part of playing every sport and there are more sports than just football that are dangerous.

  5. There’s an interesting moral component to this.
    The NFL is trying to reduce kickoffs because they put players at greater risk of injury, specifically head trauma.
    Thus head coaches who choose to kick off are choosing to subject their players to this increased risk.
    I’d love to see a reporter ask Belichick, or Tomlin, or Pete Carroll, after a game in which they pooch-kicked a bunch of times, whether they weighed the risk to their players in making their decision.
    And if not, why not?

  6. At first I thought, I can’t wait until he gets fired.
    Then nah, he makes me laugh at just how stupid this guy is.
    Just like the rest of the Ravens fan base.

  7. These rules have zero to do with player safety. Its all about parity. We all know the league cares nothing about the players unless its an issue they could be sued over.

    The consistently good teams year after year have consistently good special teams and ST coaching.

    The consistently bad teams have consistently bad special teams and ST coaching.

    By eliminating a substantial number of special teams plays they close the parity gap.

    The most disgusting thing is this rewards the consistently bad teams who are then more competitive without making any further effort or spending any money at all to do so.

    That’s vile Goodell and his cronies. Reward the poorly run teams with awful ownership while penalizing the good teams.

  8. Kickers just have to practice shorter, higher kickoffs that come down at the five yard line.simple as that.

  9. I expect he is right. Now instead of kicking into the end zone you want the ball to land inbounds forcing them to return it on a shorter field where the defenders are coming full steam. I guess we will see but it doesn’t look like it will make it safer. Maybe more dangerous?

  10. The NFL can’t even get a playing field ready for the HOF game.

    Kind of lets you know they certainly aren’t very adept at dictating rules changes either.

    345 Park Ave. home of the mistakes?

  11. Based on the responses so far, I take it Patriots fans, first, need to criticize Harbaugh without reading the article, and, second, want the kickoff eliminated.

  12. Biggest mouth in football history from the coaching level.

    A champion of crybaby, entitled Milllennial Generation, too.

    Just an embarrassment.

  13. While we’re at it, just eliminate extra points and punts…You have to go for it on fourth down and go for two after every touchdown…The two kicker/punter roster spots could go to other positions of need (sarcasm)

  14. What was the last decision made by the NFL that was well thought out? I’d bet good money that it dates back to Tagliabue’s tenure.

  15. willycents says:
    Aug 12, 2016 10:28 AM
    Based on the responses so far, I take it Patriots fans, first, need to criticize Harbaugh without reading the article, and, second, want the kickoff eliminated.

    Not like the criticism isn’t deserved. His rep is league wide. 31 teams have him as ichi ban crybaby of the NFL. But no one will be surprised if he claims cheating at some point since all the other coaches know rules better than he does.

    Face it Johnny boy, rayray is gone. No more free trophies for you, now that you have to actually coach that is.

  16. Based on the responses so far, I take it Patriots fans, first, need to criticize Harbaugh without reading the article, and, second, want the kickoff eliminated.
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    Saying Harbahaha questions something is catnip to pats fans.

  17. patriots123456 says:
    Aug 12, 2016 10:28 AM
    The NFL can’t even get a playing field ready for the HOF game.

    Kind of lets you know they certainly aren’t very adept at dictating rules changes either.

    345 Park Ave. home of the mistakes?
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    Who cares about the HOF game? It’s a waste of time. Now back to cheating on your wife since you idolize cheaters.

  18. that saying ” if aint broke dont fix it” well with GOODUMMY we’ve far exceeded that point now ITS SO BROKE WE CANT FIX IT SMH!!!

  19. “Maybe that’s their goal, to make it be less exciting.”
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    That’s his sassy way of saying “Cmon the rule book is complicated enough as it is guys”

  20. willycents says:
    Aug 12, 2016 10:28 AM

    Based on the responses so far, I take it Patriots fans, first, need to criticize Harbaugh without reading the article, and, second, want the kickoff eliminated.

    Personally, I wish they would just leave it the way it was. Don’t eliminate it.

  21. They should just flip a coin to decide the outcome of the game. That way no one gets hurt. Better still…just flip a coin to see who win the championship.

  22. Oh, the irony of Ozzie Newsome on the Comp Committee with Harbaugh in his ear to add or change rules at a rampant pace, never seen before in NFL history with Goodell putting his politically correct stamp of approval on it, only to have to turdling Harbaugh whine about these things on the other side.

    The irony.

  23. Quite frankly, this rule change doesn’t require a lot of thought to know that there is no way in hell that the kicking team is going to be willing to give the receiving team an automatic extra 5 yards.

    They need to either eliminate it, or leave it alone.

  24. All they need to see is “Harbaugh” and the Patriots fans come running. Pathetic.

  25. pats14 says:
    Aug 12, 2016 11:18 AM

    They should just flip a coin to decide the outcome of the game. That way no one gets hurt. Better still…just flip a coin to see who win the championship.
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    If the coin doesn’t flip, is it a tie?

  26. This blog should change its name to crybaby city. Harbaugh is an amateur up against some of you girls!!!

  27. Don’t blame Patriot fans on any of this…Deflategate was created by Harbaugh after he took offense’s to Brady’s comment on knowing the rules. Brady was correct and Harbaugh ran to the Colts and the league office about “small balls” something he and Grigson DO know something about. The shrinkage in the Patriot raven game was due to the temperature being 10 degrees and we know about the Colts Game….they just tried to fool mother nature and the Mensa’s at 345 Park ave. ran with it.

  28. I’m a Pats fan and totally agree with him on this issue. It’s a stupid rule that if 1/2 hour was given to talk about it, it never would have passed

  29. Black Dog says:
    Aug 12, 2016 10:21 AM
    There’s an interesting moral component to this.
    The NFL is trying to reduce kickoffs because they put players at greater risk of injury, specifically head trauma.
    Thus head coaches who choose to kick off are choosing to subject their players to this increased risk.
    I’d love to see a reporter ask Belichick, or Tomlin, or Pete Carroll, after a game in which they pooch-kicked a bunch of times, whether they weighed the risk to their players in making their decision.
    And if not, why not?

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    The job of a coach is to win football games. That doesn’t mean they don’t care about health and safety, but it takes a back seat. If you were a construction foreman and went to your boss and said “we’re 3 months behind on getting this house built, but nobody got hurt”, would you still have a job?

    If the NFL wants to work on safety, that’s their thing. The argument here is that this was a poor way to do it. They added a new rule that is easily defeated by coaches trying to win football games. They need to have some foresight and understand how coaching will change in reaction to new rules and make those rules accordingly.

  30. chuckshontaspads says:
    Aug 12, 2016 11:52 AM

    Don’t blame Patriot fans on any of this…Deflategate was created by Harbaugh after he took offense’s to Brady’s comment on knowing the rules. Brady was correct and Harbaugh ran to the Colts and the league office about “small balls” something he and Grigson DO know something about. The shrinkage in the Patriot raven game was due to the temperature being 10 degrees and we know about the Colts Game….they just tried to fool mother nature and the Mensa’s at 345 Park ave. ran with it.
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    Of course, the Ravens were stupid and complained about the kicking balls, which the referees control.

  31. superpatriotsfan says:
    Aug 12, 2016 10:50 AM
    patriots123456 says:
    Aug 12, 2016 10:28 AM
    The NFL can’t even get a playing field ready for the HOF game.

    Kind of lets you know they certainly aren’t very adept at dictating rules changes either.

    345 Park Ave. home of the mistakes?
    ————————————————-

    Who cares about the HOF game? It’s a waste of time. Now back to cheating on your wife since you idolize cheaters.
    ———–

    Why would a guy who is not a Patriots fan create a moniker called: “SuperPatriotsFan”? Dang son the are the Patriots embedded that far inside your head? How about you create a moniker supporting your own team?

  32. “There’s an interesting moral component to this.
    The NFL is trying to reduce kickoffs because they put players at greater risk of injury, specifically head trauma.”

    Read my post above. Its clear this has nothing to do with player safety and everything to do with parity.

    The league has over and over made it very clear with their repeated past behavior the the owners and league care zero about player safety unless they can be sued over an issue. Then they’re only concerned for their bank accounts, not the players.

    This is all about parity my friend. And rewarding the crappy teams by making them more competitive without having to to do anything to improve or spend a dime more than they already are.

  33. “How about you create a moniker supporting your own team?”

    Because if the Pats haters identify their teams we can point out to them all the instances of cheating that team has been caught at, and they can no longer bleat cheater cheater as if they are all choir boys and the team they follow has never done anything wrong.

  34. dowhatifeellike says:
    Aug 12, 2016 11:57 AM

    Black Dog says:
    Aug 12, 2016 10:21 AM
    There’s an interesting moral component to this.
    The NFL is trying to reduce kickoffs because they put players at greater risk of injury, specifically head trauma.
    Thus head coaches who choose to kick off are choosing to subject their players to this increased risk.
    I’d love to see a reporter ask Belichick, or Tomlin, or Pete Carroll, after a game in which they pooch-kicked a bunch of times, whether they weighed the risk to their players in making their decision.
    And if not, why not?
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    The only dilemma is why did the NFL create a rule that would potentially increase kickoff returns?

    If the NFL truly wanted to reduce kickoff returns, they would have put touchbacks at the 15 yard line, or eliminate the kickoff altogether.

  35. I’d think he would be in favor of starting at the 25 instead of the 20. As often as the other team will be kicking off, and as anemic as his offense is, that extra 5 yards will add up to a significant part of his offensive yards.

  36. People, please watch Rugby. That is the root of the kickoff. Every kickoff should be a battle for possession, not field position. Remove the Fair Catch and make the rule that you cannot tackle a player in the air. All contact to a player in the air must be a in genuine attempt to get the ball. Oh yea, scoring team receives. There are very few injuries on kickoffs in Rugby.

  37. If they do away with kickoffs,their will be no more onside kicks for a team that just scored and our still down a score at the end of the game.
    RIDICULOUS!!

  38. Harbaugh is just wrong. How many times after a personal foul on the defense after a TD and the kickoff is on the 50, or under the old kickoff rule the 45, did you see the kickoff pooched? Almost never if at all, the kick is just punch through the endzone. Any Harbaugh just goes into seizures if they’re not whining about something.

  39. Of course the internet tough guys immediately attack Harbaugh instead of actually responding to what he said….which happens to be 100% correct.

    I was always told football consisted of Offense, Defense, AND SPECIAL TEAMS! Why change the freakin game?!! Leave it alone.

    The slow decline of the NFL continues.

  40. From the little bit of the preseason games I watched last night, it looks like teams are indeed going to try to keep the ball in the field of play. I say in this case the rule is unintentionally a good thing.

  41. nfloracle says:
    Aug 12, 2016 9:58 AM
    Of course it was not well thought out… the league office mandated it, apparently, without getting input from players and coaches. But then that’s the arrogant Goodell pattern of Father Knows Best, isn’t it?

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    The league office doesn’t mandate rule changes. The competition committee, coaches and GM’s, make the recommendations for rule changes, that are then voted on by the ownership. I get the hatred for Goodell, but try at least get some of your facts lined up. There’s enough true facts to blame Goodell for without making things up.

  42. annapterp says:
    Aug 12, 2016 12:54 PM
    Of course the internet tough guys immediately attack Harbaugh instead of actually responding to what he said….which happens to be 100% correct.

    I was always told football consisted of Offense, Defense, AND SPECIAL TEAMS! Why change the freakin game?!! Leave it alone.

    The slow decline of the NFL continues.
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    The slow decline of the NFL? You mean the record ratings and the most popular sport, by far?

    The reason the game is getting changes is because they are getting sued by former players at every turn for NOT making the game safer, or have you not read about any of the concussion lawsuits?

  43. If kickoffs comes in high and short, it is possible that this rule will have the opposite intended effect, by encouraging more returns, rather than less. Less automatic touch-backs, more returns, greater possibilities of fumbles or returns for TDs. Then, according to Harbaugh, the game would be more exciting, not less.

  44. Ok…ok…ok…who is the NFL brain-child that thought up the idea?
    Did they really think it would not have an effect on the kicking teams choice of whether to kick it deep or high and short? WOW!!!

  45. mushroommike says:
    Aug 12, 2016 12:53 PM

    Harbaugh is just wrong.
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    Usually, but not about this. In a game of inches, no team wants to give their opponent an automatic 5 yards.

    If they wanted less returns than the few they still have, they should have put touchbacks on the 15 yard line.

  46. Man expresses his opinion about a rule that might make the game more dangerous and the Patriots’ fans throw another Idiot Party in the comments section. What a shocker.

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