NFL prepares to use Brady precedent to force cooperation with PED investigation

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The obvious headline from the letter sent Monday by the NFL to the NFL Players Association regarding the Al Jazeera investigation is that the league has threatened to suspend Packers linebacker Clay Matthews, Packers linebacker Julius Peppers, Steelers linebacker James Harrison, and free-agent defensive lineman Mike Neal if they don’t submit to interviews by August 25. The deeper message comes from the NFL’s use of the precedent created by the Tom Brady suspension, appeal, and litigation to threaten the players with suspension for failure to cooperate with a league investigation.

“There is no dispute that players are obligated to cooperate with the league’s investigation, as you have repeatedly acknowledged,” the letter states. “This obligation includes not only the responsibility to submit to an interview but also the duty to provide meaningful responses to the questions posed. Nor is there a dispute that a failure to cooperate or an attempt to obstruct the investigation may result in discipline, including suspension from play, for conduct detrimental under Article 46 of the CBA and the NFL Player Contract.”

Never mind the fact that the PED policy says nothing about an obligation to cooperate in an investigation regarding a potential violation of the PED policy due to something other than a positive test or an alleged or actual violation of the law. As written, the PED policy seems to give players the right to refuse to say anything until the NFL has developed sufficient “credible evidence” to justify the imposition of discipline. Then, if the player chooses to appeal, he tells his story within the confines of the appeal process.

Armed with the immense power given to the Commissioner by the federal appeals court ruling in the Brady case, the league can now disregard the terms of the PED policy and invoke Article 46 to compel cooperation with an investigation under the PED policy, despite the plain terms of the PED policy. Before Brady, no player had ever been suspended for failing to cooperate with or obstructing a league investigation. Now, based on the Brady precedent, the NFL has a hammer that it never specifically obtained through bargaining.

Pulling the controversy out of the PED policy also allows the NFL to avoid the neutral arbitration process that was adopted in 2014 for PED violations. Instead, it will be the Commissioner who will handle the appeal of the indefinite suspension that will be imposed on Matthews, Peppers, Harrison, and Neal — and the Commissioner surely will uphold the approach taken by those who work for him.

This is precisely why the NFLPA must roll the dice on an appeal of the Brady case from the Second Circuit (and the Adrian Peterson case from the Eighth Circuit) to the U.S. Supreme Court. As slim as the chances of prevailing may be, not trying to overturn the Brady and Peterson precedent would allow the NFL to use Article 46 not just as a shield against The Shield but as a sword to compel players to do what the league wants, even if the specific policies relevant to a given controversy suggest that the players aren’t required to comply.

182 responses to “NFL prepares to use Brady precedent to force cooperation with PED investigation

  1. If the NFLPA had half a brain they would have called a wildcat strike over the Brady situation.

    Now Goodell thinks he is God.

    Way TOO much power, and totally abusing it.

  2. Ted wells said Brady fully cooperated. Ted wells said Brady’s phone wasn’t necessary. During the appeal Goodell said he wanted the phone even thought they already had the text messages. What else did they want from Brady’s phone? Without any evidence all they could do is slander Brady. What a set up. Expect a lengthy lockout next time the CBA expires. the players shouldn’t even come to the table as long as Goodell is commissioner

  3. A lot of players and fans who enjoyed watching Brady and the Patriots get hammered are about to get a lesson in Goodell “justice”…

  4. I don’t see the problem. The NFL has dirt on these players obviously. Don’t want to be suspended? Don’t cheat.

  5. The NFL once again is trying to reach beyond the CBA to get even more power than the enormous grip they already have.

    If the NFL can lump PED into the all-encompassing
    article 46 “conduct detrimental” net that the court says gives NFL unlimited power over the players,
    why even have a PED punishment schedule?
    The NFL is gonna give it a go, though, empowered by the recent court win.

    If they can successfully argue a $25,000 football violation into 4 games, 1st & 4th round draft pick taken away and a $million fine, I guess they think they can pull off this power play, too.
    But I think the language is more clear with PED than measuring of PSI.
    One thing the NFL has in its favor, though, is the court said past punishment [precedence] doesn’t have to be consistent.
    Under article 46, the NFL can literally do whatever they want with punishment; 4 games, 1 year, lifetime suspension, whatever they want.

  6. And the NFLPA is using player’s reputations and salaries as pawns in their game. They are trying to change the CBA through the court system. It’s despicable!

  7. So basically do an interview or else is what Lord Goodell is saying. This guys is out of control and power hungry, but the owners all love him because he makes them rich.

    Sad to say but Goodell will be around for a long time.

  8. If you have nothing to hide then talk. Worked for Manning. I hope they suspend them all and they never play again. Must be guilty or they would be trying to clear their name.

  9. lsuzilla says:
    Aug 15, 2016 7:52 PM

    I don’t see the problem. The NFL has dirt on these players obviously. Don’t want to be suspended? Don’t cheat.
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    If they had any “dirt” on them, they wouldn’t have to interview them. NFL “investigations” have turned into nothing more than fishing expeditions.

  10. I can’t wait to read all about this pissing contest between the league and union.

    It should make for a good read.

  11. I got hooted down here when I posted that Goodell’s victories in the Brady and Peterson cases guaranteed this would happen. Anybody laughing now? Conduct detrimental is now whatever the gang that can’t shoot straight decides it is, the federal courts have made it so. THAT is what deflategate was really about. The league can move almost any dispute under the conduct detrimental umbrella

    For the lemmings that want to point at the NFLPA and the most recent CBA, that language was there in every CBA since teh first one in ’69. Only Goodell has seen fit to abuse it.

  12. I’m a Packer fan and I have no problem with the power given the commissioner. Play by the rules or take a hike. If they have nothing to hide, then give the damn interviews and get it over with. If they do have something to hide…….Next Man Up.

  13. Brady did talk Wells said he was very cooperative. Then Goodell stepped in showed he wasn’t going to play fair so on advice of council Brady clammed up

  14. There are a number of posters that wanted to see Brady get suspended.

    Well, they got their wish.

    I can see where the NFL has the power to do exactly what they are doing now – based on the appeal courts ruling.

    I’m not saying I agree with the appeals court. I actually think it’s a bad decision.

    I wanted to see Brady appeal to the Supreme Court and win.

    There is just as much evidence that those players used PED’s as there was evidence that the the Patriot’s ball were intentionally deflated against the Colts in that playoff game.

    So, go ahead and suspend the (accused) PED abusers if they don’t fully comply with Goodell’s demands…

  15. lsuzilla says:
    Aug 15, 2016 7:52 PM
    I don’t see the problem. The NFL has dirt on these players obviously. Don’t want to be suspended? Don’t cheat.

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    The problem is not that there is dirt. But the fact that the NFL is investigating when there is NO evidence of dirt. I can say you are a pot-head and you deal (making stuff up). Should that warrant the police to arrest you? That’s what’s going on here. Al Jazeera made up allegations against these guys (i.e. no evidence what-so-ever) and even admitted so. Therefore, why should the NFL be pushing this? Because they are drunk with power. Therefore, if the NFLPA knows what’s good for them; they’ll strike immediately.

  16. Mr Davis would not have stood for one of his players getting railroaded by the Commissioner’s Office. He liked a good fight. The NFL is missing owners with principals like him. The irony is the biggest cheat, who admitted he received HGH, gets to walk away free. But last year’s Super Bowl will always be tainted in the public’s eye and there is no changing that.

  17. Calling for a strike when the league asks for an interview over an article from an internationally respected news organization?

    I think it’s mainly the Brady supporters who are trying to incite people over an interview.

  18. This is exactly what we warned everybody about. The owners should have seen this coming with what they did to Brady. Instead they were blinded by getting Brady out for a few games. Now it is their players that are going to fall victim of the same abuse of power they just gave Goddell permission to use.

  19. Other players were suspended for “conduct detrimental to the league” before Brady. His groupies try to make everything about their Tammy.

  20. I don’t have a problem with it. I have a job where I have to submit to random drug testing , listen to my bosses, show up on time, adhere to all other kinds of company rules and policies all along knowing I can be let go at a moment noticed. Let the millionaire athletes see what it like working a real job.

  21. This isn’t at all surprising. It was clear this was what Goodell was after all along – the ability to do whatever he wants without repercussions. Brady just happened to be a guy his lackeys hated/resented the most, so he became their test-case. Step one validated by the federal appeals court, the fuhrer will now proceed with step two: extending his Patriot Act to the entire league. Expect mandatory phone-tapping of all players before much longer. Nobody’s free anymore.

  22. Wait a second. Don’t they test these players regularity? If a player didn’t fail a test what are we doing here? This makes no sense.

  23. wait, didnt the NFL find that there was nothing to the allegations when they looked into Payton Mannings link to the story? Hmmn.
    Commisioner must go. Players need to strike. Fans need to get behind that when it happens too. He is ruining our NFL.

  24. Can everybody just calm down? Think about this, all of the pro leagues have to take PEDs seriously. We all saw what happened to baseball. The Baseball Comissioner ignored it, baseball stars wrote about it in books. Congress gets a hold of it and calls a hearing. The whole purpose of Goodell having an investigation is to satisfy the outside agencies. The NFL has not accused anyone of anything. These players signed an agreement they would cooperate fully in any investigation. Unless of course, the NFLPA wants congress to get involved with every case and put everybody under oath where they will have full subpoena power.

  25. These dirt balls only understand 2 things greed and power. Best way to hit them is to watch their NFL franchise values go up in smoke like the dot com companies.

    Strike and go form a new league with all new owners. There are plenty of multi billionaires out there that have morals and ethics unlike these scum.

  26. NFL has the unlimited resources to hire the best legal team for however long it takes. It can and will outlast and outspend the NFLPA in every single case.

  27. Guilty or not, there is a right way and a wrong way to handle things as a commissioner. Goodell has disgraced the league..

  28. The Supreme Court ruled that Tom Brady cheated why can’t the pats fans just live with the truth?
    If you do the crime you got to do the time
    Take a seat Mr. Brady !!!
    Lol

  29. @winninaintsinnin, only fans of loser franchises make comments like yours. Admit that your team sucks, blame the organization and leadership. Rather than hurling baseless accusations at the successful teams.

    Better yet, go away and stop watching football, casual.

  30. hahahha. this is too awesome. everyone who thought it was funny when the pats got railroaded are about to get their own taste. enjoy!!

  31. No evidence..doesn’t matter. Spelled out in the CBA…doesn’t matter. Private phone…doesn’t matter.You love him you got him…welcome to the railroading.

  32. As the phrase goes, your team is next! All you butt hurt fans crying over the Patriots failed to realize Goodell won’t let up!

  33. No one in their right mind should EVER trust the NFL League Office EVER again. Not after they clearly FRAMED Tom Brady.

    Who does that?

  34. The rest of the league is about to learn what New England already knows. Commissioner Nero is drunk with power and his ego has exceeded his vast and all-encompassung incompetence.

    Mrrs. Johnson, Irsay and Bisciotti took great pleasure in creating this monster to pillage the Pats. They have created a beast that will ultimately destroy the once great NFL.

  35. zerotrophiessince1961 says:
    Aug 15, 2016 7:44 PM
    GOODELL MUST GO.

    I would FULLY support an indefinite strike to force a renegotiation of the CBA regarding player discipline RIGHT NOW.
    ————–

    I wonder if you would be this mad if Matthews and Peppers played for the Vikings. I would say no, and you would be laughing. Am I right?

  36. The Patriots, Saints and Chiefs already have been victims of Goodell’s grab for power. Now add the Packers and Steelers. Unfortunately, that’s only 5 teams, but Roger seems to enjoy going after prominent players and punishing teams on a whim. It will take a while, but there is some point at which enough owners will conclude that Goodell’s ability to grow league revenue is outweighed by his monumental ability to annoy the league’s owners. It doesn’t have to be 17 owners (one more than half), it just needs to be enough to undermine his support, and then he’ll be gone…..and we’ll all be better off.

  37. Can you even imagine what would have happened if Brady gave them his phone. This dog and pony show would have it ‘leaked’ to TMZ the next week. Their jealousy was on full display in Framegate and at this point there is no limits to the puppet of the rich boys club…get too big for your britches and the smear campaign will get stoked led by the ‘World Wide Leader in Sports”.

    This is not even a joke…those cigars are getting fatter and fatter while the printing press that is the Shield continues to crank out the Benjamins hand over fist.

    Jealously can do a lot of damage…

  38. Wow. These are some of the same fans that were on Goodell’s side, against Brady. I hope Roger randomly picks players or teams to suspend without any evidence. I love it. Fans got what they wanted, rooting for Roger and against Brady. You do know that the cowardly owners, are behind Goodell, the puppet. Goodell takes the hits for the owners. Stop buying anything that endorses the NFL. The only way the Owners will dump Goodell.

  39. To the NFLPA: Yes, Roger is the NFL’s version of Attila the Hun, but grant him the interview before you strike or take any other action. You actually have no choice because you voted for the CBA which gives him absolute power in these types of cases. Then, if you feel your interview was biased or unfair, you can choose to strike or to appeal. With Roger presiding over the appeal process, your chances of winning are slim, so a strike would perhaps be the appropriate action to take.

  40. sparky711711 says:
    Aug 15, 2016 8:41 PM

    I don’t have a problem with it. I have a job where I have to submit to random drug testing , listen to my bosses, show up on time, adhere to all other kinds of company rules and policies all along knowing I can be let go at a moment noticed. Let the millionaire athletes see what it like working a real job.
    ————————————————————-
    That`s great sparky, we`re all glad you follow the rules at your job but that has nothing to do with the NFL players having a CBA that the NFL agreed too but won`t follow. If you lost 1/4 of your yearly salary just because someone accused you of something you would feel differently.

  41. The “conduct detrimental” is only for refusal to cooperate. Get interviewed and answer questions, then everything thing will follow the PED policy guidelines, including neutral arbitration.

  42. This is a farce. The NFL said by golly Peyton cooperated and look at that, they didn’t suspend Him. If these guys submit to Goodell in any manner, they aren’t going to be suspended either – regardless of the truth.

  43. Good job to all the fans and other owners who sided with goodell, even though there was no concrete evidence against Brady. Because the public outcry was dumbfoundedly wrong and pushed by people with low info. Goodell and the nfl proceeded further than it should have gone. What you basically all did was approve and support him to be able to do anything he wants by invoking article 46.

    So when he starts suspending players or taking your teams draft picks away for less than circumstantial evidence, and you have a problem with it. You have noone to blame but yourselves

  44. 1) Brady didn’t fully cooperate and he still hasn’t. All he had to do was admit to the minor equipment violation and he’d have been out $25k. Brady couldn’t do it…the cover-up is always worse than the crime.

    2) the NFL didn’t have the text messages…they has a list of the phone numbers he sent text messages to and then Brady told the NFL to pound sand and re-create the logs itself instead of asking his friends to print out their copies of his texts and help him be reqponsive to the league’s request. It doesn’t matter what Wells said, Brady didn’t cooperate with the actual NFL front office.

    3) Not sure why you’re taking the position that Al-Jazeera isn’t “credible info”. It is as credible, if not more honestly, than the site you own and operate. The NFL is simply saying it believes it has enough credible evidence and that it is compelling the interviews prior to imposing discipline so that it can determine if the discipline will be a PED violation, a rule 46 violation, both, or none. As many posters have stated, if the players have nothing to hide then they should submit to the interviews. As someone above said – obviously the NFL thinks they have these guys because a good lawyer never asks a question he/she doesn’t already know the answer to…so the NFL must believe it has enough to catch the players lying if they do lie.

    4) If the owners weren’t ok with this, it wouldn’t be happeneing. Goodell can only piss off so many owners before they fire him and I am quite sure he talked ot the owners of the teams involved before deciding to press this issue. For all those here who can’t stand him, there is a very high likelihood he is smarter than 90% of the folks posting here…and he is certainly 99.9% more adept at the politics of running the NFL HQ office, so it is foolish to asusme he would run roughshod over the players and franchises without support of the owners.

  45. Tritz, i dont think they can test for hgh. As there is no 100 percent concrete test.

    So when the nfl sees a text message about someone being “swole.” That is enough for roger to say the player has been using hgh

  46. I accuse Aaron Rodgers of using PEDs, too, so suspend him if he refuses to be interviewed.

  47. .
    @trailerpark

    ” Other players were suspended for “conduct detrimental to the league” before Brady. His groupies try to make everything about their Tammy. ”

    Please list the other players suspended for ” conduct detrimental ”
    .

  48. stellarperformance says:
    Aug 15, 2016 8:14 PM
    I’m a Packer fan and I have no problem with the power given the commissioner. Play by the rules or take a hike. If they have nothing to hide, then give the damn interviews and get it over with. If they do have something to hide…….Next Man Up.

    38 100

    You do realize that if the nfl decided to, they could suspend aaron rogers 4 games for having overinflated balls.

  49. To all of the people saying the players have to live with this because they agreed to it: You must not be very familiar with Contract Law.

    Contracts signed under duress are not ultimately enforceable. The duress in this case would be the fact that the owners locked out the players and refused to allow them to make a living until they signed a contract that gave the Commissioner unlimited rights in disciplinary matters.

    If you can prove that the only way you would be permitted to make a living at your chosen profession is to sign a contract you disagreed with because you had no choice, you have a case. This is why non-compete clauses written into many business employment contracts are often not upheld in court.

    Just because the court ruled against the players in the Brady case doesn’t mean they will again. Precedents don’t have to be followed. Courts have broad authority to act against precedent. If the NFL keeps pushing nonsense like this, they may just push the courts to act against them.

  50. LMFAO All you clowns who supported goodell when it wasn’t your team now GFY!
    Expect this to happen more and more and eventually your team will be hit EXCEPT the Jets!

  51. Isnt it funny Manning was cleared and HGH WAS delivered to his house, and these guys are not! LOL different rules for different players, get used to it!

  52. 3 Packers on that list. I wonder how Packer fans who backed Goodell(v Brady) feel now?

    I wonder which team will face Goodell next year?

  53. “A lot of players and fans who enjoyed watching Brady and the Patriots get hammered are about to get a lesson in Goodell “justice”…

    The Patriots and 30 other teams voted to give Goddell that power. The Steelers were the only ones who voted against that power.

  54. trailerparkking says:
    Aug 15, 2016 8:35 PM

    Other players were suspended for “conduct detrimental to the league” before Brady. His groupies try to make everything about their Tammy.
    ___________________________________
    Once again your facts are wrong…Only one player has been suspended for “conduct detrimental to the league,” that was Jack Matheson for 1 game 11/22/1947!
    Just look it up…it wasn’t hard to find at all.

    Others have been suspended for detrimental TEAM conduct!

  55. Are all you Patriots fans going to stop watching? Promise??

    Will you stop posting on PFT too?

  56. tritz32 says:
    Aug 15, 2016 8:46 PM
    Wait a second. Don’t they test these players regularity? If a player didn’t fail a test what are we doing here? This makes no sense.
    ============================

    NFL drug testing is extremely easy to circumvent.

  57. TheDPR says:
    Aug 15, 2016 8:42 PM

    This isn’t at all surprising. It was clear this was what Goodell was after all along – the ability to do whatever he wants without repercussions
    ———————-

    You are probably right. If Brady hadn’t Cheated, none of this would be happening…..what a shame!

  58. These players should be thrown out of the league. We don’t need there kind anyhow. I support Goodwill and his mission to rid the NFL of these bad examples of society.

  59. These players should be thrown out of the league. We don’t need there kind anyhow. I support Goodwill and his mission to rid the NFL of these bad examples of society.

  60. @tritz32 says:
    Aug 15, 2016 8:46 PM
    Wait a second. Don’t they test these players regularity? If a player didn’t fail a test what are we doing here? This makes no sense.
    —————————————————————-
    That’s true, they do get tested but usually only once a year, just before training camp. Some get multiple tests because of previous violations or at random. PED’s exit the human system rather quickly. Most times being clean for 15 – 20 days and you’ll test clean. They can time the usage so it doesn’t interfere with testing. It’s the random test request they are gambling on not receiving.
    But I agree, no positive test / no problem. There’s no doubt this will be in federal court quickly.

  61. Goodell doesn’t say boo without the support of the owners.

    This and all other issues put forth by the NFL aka Goodell are driven by the desires of the billionaire owners.

    Goodell is nothing more than a foil for the owners as has been stated on this site previously.

    Publicly financed stadiums, billions in TV revenue, free farm system via the NCAA.

    The millions the owners take in on game day from beverages, food, and parking is pocket change for them.

    How much money do they make selling jerseys with the names of players on them?

    The owners want complete control, nothing less.

    I understand rules & regulations and believe in abiding by them, but without the players there is no NFL.

    As fans of the game, we should support the players in light of this obvious power grab.

  62. The many NFL players who chose to not actively speak out in support of Brady and against Goodell in his case deserve whatever they get now in terms of Goodell justice.

    The NFL is a joke.

  63. This is totally the nfl vs. nflpa. There is nothing there to support a violation. The nfl is just trying to flex their muscles. Do the interviews and shut them up.

  64. This is all on the owners, more specifically the top end owners mike jones and Kraft. They wanted Goodell because we was in their back pocket. He not only was working for them but with them. The owners railroaded the players in this CBA in many instances because the players biggest singular focus was s larger piece of the pie. This is also on D. Smith as his only focus has been money and he has had no ability to defend in the bottom 50% of the players in the league. I have t heard him come out to defend guys like Gordon like he did s
    With Brady.
    In my opinion, for as bad as the players and league need Goodell out, the NFLPA needs Smith out too

  65. Dear Packers and Steelers fans,

    You may (like many NFL fans) have found it fun to watch the NFL work over Tom Brady and eventually succeed in suspending him for a violation that literally all scientists not employed by the league suggest didn’t actually occur.

    I’m sure you found it wicked fun to see Brady’s name dragged through the mud, even if it involved a league-run PR campaign that started off with the release of bogus information and ended with the league making a big deal out of a phone they had already said they didn’t want. I mean, what perfectly innocent dude wouldn’t want the league attaching thousands of texts to the case the way they did with his “responsive” emails? Wasn’t it fun to hear about Brady’s preferences in pool covers? His thoughts on Manning’s longevity? I’m sure it would have been totally cool to Brady’s life if they did the same with the ten times as many texts they wanted access to. Privacy? That’s no big deal. This is the NFL.

    So, now it’s time for the NFL to question your players about something someone said somewhere. I mean, what ‘s the big deal? Can’t your players just do whatever any innocent dude would do and submit to questioning, wait for league lawyers to make negative inferences wherever they can, find a friend who once called himself the “mule” (you get the idea), and then demand more information, presumably their cell phones, private emails, and anything else the NFL wants. What’s the big deal? Didn’t you know that people working for a corporation don’t have any rights and that their bosses can do whatever they want, whenever they want?

    Something to think about while you wonder if your players will be on the field Week 1.

    Sincerely,
    A Pats Fan

  66. So basically the commish wants players accused of wrong doing (without evidence) to help the league convict them of something without evidence. Since when does the defendant have to help the prosecution convict them?

  67. Now the rest of the league can see this was never about PSI in footballs. Judge Berman was the only judge to rule on wrong doing by Brady and he found that there was no evidence (in fact science disproved it) and that Goodell delivered his own “brand of justice”. The NFL appealed not on wrong doing by Brady but that article 46 allowed Goodell to ulitmatly punish any player he felt “tarnished” the leagues image. The appeal court agreed based on article 46’s presence in the CBA and the NFLPA having agreed to the CBA. The NFLPA is the worst Union in the country. All 32 teams have now been put on notice. Owners should want Goodell gone but they are making record revenue year after year so until the players strike, players/fans are stuck with King Goodell.

  68. And so it starts. You were all warned about unlimited power in the hands of a tyrant.

    You thought it was great, Brady and the Pats were falsely penalized.

    Now the unfolding of what can happen, yes, your team may be the next victim of unlimited power.

  69. Sooo, Manning spilled the beans in order to save his image! He has nothing to lose now and the NFL will protect their Golden Boy in exchange for the other four current players.

  70. Each of these guys should just willingly accept a suspension immediately.

    That’s what I kept hearing about Brady, so why the hypocrisy? Just lay down and take the punishment without any pushback, that’s what the haters kept saying.

    Don’t spend NFLPA funds, remember? Now its different cause its your guy?

  71. Trying to be objective here! If somebody told your employer you used illegal drugs your employer would want to chat with you. You would sit down with your employer and tell them you did, didn’t, whatever… I don’t see the big deal here!

    As far as the unlimited power goes, work that out in the next CBA.

  72. Brady, crying to the court system instead of taking the suspension like a man, gave the commissioner this power.

    Lawyers always tell you you have a great case until you get to the courthouse steps, then the truth comes out.

  73. Is cheating conduct detrimental to the league? I would say it is.
    Is taking PEDs cheating? Yes

    So what is the problem?

    Do the players want to be a pawn in the NFLPA-NFL power game, or do they want to play Football?

    Or are the players hiding behind the NFLPA because they have something to hide?

  74. kaepernickin
    Manning cooperated b/c he was innocent! If the cops thought i had something to do with anything at all id COOPERATE b/c im innocent!!! Now if i was part of it, id smash my phone and refuse until it was courtt ordered.

    Athletes are spoiled rotten! I dont care if its mandatory they have to take an interview! There is obviously SOME evidence- they arent picking names out of hats. And lets be real- would anyone be surprised if Clay Matthews, Peppers or Harrison was using?!?!?!

  75. Packernet says:
    Aug 15, 2016 8:10 PM

    If you have nothing to hide then talk. Worked for Manning. I hope they suspend them all and they never play again. Must be guilty or they would be trying to clear their name


    Orange and blue to truth engine engaged,
    Manning talked? Not quite, Manning denied sent goons to a guys house who then miraculously recanted and the NFL let it go. Like Ray Lewis, the NFL not only looked the other way for their binky, that handed him an underserved Lombardi.

  76. From Deflategate we know:

    1) Goodell lies
    2) Pash lies
    3) Wells lies
    4) Vincent lies
    5) Exponent falsifies

    We know the NFL will move the goal posts when their manufactured evidence fails to secure a player take down.

    We know league attorneys help craft “independent” reports.

    We know owners will use the power of the Commissioner’s Office to gain an advantage on the field.

    We knew the NFL would never touch Peyton Manning despite the absurdity that his wife used HGH during pregnancy.

    We knew the NFL would look the other way despite Manning’s witness intimidation tactics.

    The NFLPA needs to strike…..gain HAND

  77. Do any of you Goodell bashers do any research on both sides of the issue before you make ignorant statements or do you and make them anyway? The obligation to fully cooperate in any NFL investigation is a direct result of Spygate. So if you want to blame the obligation to cooperate in an investigation, blame it on the Pats for forcing the NFL to have to incorporate this. And what about the players who sign these contracts. They are bound by their signatures. So you all feel they can take their money but can pick and choose when they want to honor it? Who is holding a gun to their heads to sign their contracts. Are you all so ignorant that the NFLPA, for at least one player, submitted a sworn legal document that was challenged and the had to submit a revised statement which proved the prior document was untrue? How would all that work for us in the real world?

  78. lsuzilla says:
    Aug 15, 2016 7:52 PM
    I don’t see the problem. The NFL has dirt on these players obviously. Don’t want to be suspended? Don’t cheat.

    ——–

    Do they? If they do, how could Manning have been free and clear so easily?

  79. Many posters on here including myself warned all you Brady haters that if that farce were allowed to continue, that no player would be left safe. Well folks. Look what we have now. Steelers fans are the worst. And you know what… I can’t stand the Steelers or James Harrison, but I’m also smart enough to say that he or anybody else has no cause to be suspended for “not cooperating”. You reap what you sow haters. Nice job.

  80. Goodell must be fired. How about dealing with issues that matter. Your games are sponsored by beer, liquor, gambling, fat foods, drug companies and viagra. This guy is clueless.

  81. The question no one is asking….

    Why is the league investigating a “report” filed by a single clown who later admitted that he made up the story in a bar to impress people????????

  82. jgedgar70 says:
    Aug 16, 2016 8:56 AM
    The question no one is asking….

    Why is the league investigating a “report” filed by a single clown who later admitted that he made up the story in a bar to impress people????????
    ——————————–
    You must have missed the widely reported incident where Manning (or the NFL) sent a couple of goons to the guy’s parents’ house. They barged in, refused to identify themselves and threatened the family.

    I believe the audio of his sister’s frantic 911 call can be found online.

  83. ‘Brady, crying to the court system instead of taking the suspension like a man, gave the commissioner this power.’
    *****************************
    technically, the league sued the NFLPA. I’m sure you don’t care about trivial things like ‘facts’ tho

  84. In the real world if you’re boss accuses you of stealing from the register and asked to look in your purse/bag you can either not comply or do so to keep your job.

  85. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Aug 15, 2016 11:13 PM

    Are all you Patriots fans going to stop watching? Promise??

    Will you stop posting on PFT too?
    ———

    long time Pats fan here….this is my plan:

    1. I have already cut out from my daily life entities that promote the NFL bias: ESPN, NFL Network (both TV and web sites). As much as I occasionally see a program on NFL Network that I’d like to see, I don’t watch it unless it is Pats-oriented. I may visit their website from time to time if I’m looking for something specific….but that has been a total of about 3 to 4 times a year.

    2. I’m going to try my best to avoid watching all games unless the Pats are involved. I’ve long been one to watch ANY football game on TV, including preseason. So far so good….but it’s way early in the preseason, so time will tell how I do with this. I have strong interest in several hobbies that football has always seemed to preside over. I’m going to try to change that.

    3. PFT is not NFL biased…..there is no reason to stop getting my football info here. In fact, I hope PFT keeps up the good work….I’m going to rely on it for a large part of my football info.

    So….go ahead and make fun of me/my plan….I don’t really care. It is what it is. One of my hobbies will be to

    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
    We don’t get fooled again

  86. The NFLPA should use the threat of a player strike, unless owners come to the table to amend the clause in the C.B.A. (for the reason that players and coach’s feel it is being abused by the Commissioner). If owners say no, then strike and wait them out. One thing that will influence owners is $$. We will see how much this means to the NFLPA.

  87. Brady’s case had evidence. This Al Jazeera case is nothing but hearsay from a proven non-credible source. And the NFL is hellbent on bullying the NFLPA and these 4 players who have NOT failed a drug test.

    What is their mission? The NFL is doing everything they can to focus on off- field issues instead of the in-field product. Wow

  88. skawh says:
    Aug 15, 2016 11:45 PM
    “failure to cooperate with a league investigation.”
    Yep, TB did do that.
    ——————-
    LMFAO, or, in the words of League Investigator Ted Wells, “Brady fully co-operated”. How pathetic that you keep spouting out the same old lies. And Wells said he didn’t want the phone either – because he had no right to it and the league already had all the texts. And even if Brady had wanted to (which I doubt after the league immediately leaked all the emails he freely gave them, in order to embarrass him), the NFLPA would have begged him not to also give them his private phone. And when Brady later offered phone logs to prove no other relevant texts ever existed, Goodell refused. Why? – purely for negative propaganda. And Goodell lied about Brady’s testimony to further damn him. And all for what? An equipment rule that doesn’t apply to players anyway – unlike PEDs, balls come under team regulations. And one which the league decided not to admonish Aaron Rodgers over despite his admission to a long-running scheme. So act your age sonny, not your shoe size.

  89. coachglove says:
    Aug 15, 2016 10:19 PM
    1) Brady didn’t fully cooperate and he still hasn’t. All he had to do was admit to the minor equipment violation and he’d have been out $25k. Brady couldn’t do it…the cover-up is always worse than the crime.

    2) the NFL didn’t have the text messages…they has a list of the phone numbers he sent text messages to and then Brady told the NFL to pound sand and re-create the logs itself instead of asking his friends to print out their copies of his texts and help him be reqponsive to the league’s request. It doesn’t matter what Wells said, Brady didn’t cooperate with the actual NFL front office.
    —————————————————

    Wow, completely wrong.

    The Wells report stated emphatically that Brady fully cooperated and that they didn’t need his cell phone.

    They printed out the texts AND they had the NFL employees phones which would have had any and all Brady’s texts to them.

    If you going to post, at least do some basic research. people knew all this in April of 2015.

  90. limakey says:
    Aug 16, 2016 8:23 AM

    Do any of you Goodell bashers do any research on both sides of the issue before you make ignorant statements or do you and make them anyway? The obligation to fully cooperate in any NFL investigation is a direct result of Spygate. So if you want to blame the obligation to cooperate in an investigation, blame it on the Pats for forcing the NFL to have to incorporate this.

    —-
    Quite a stretch considering Gooddell stated during the Spygate investigation that the Pats full cooperated.

    Also, we’re talking about advanced scouting of hand signals, so you know it was pretty stupid anyways.

    Keep hating on the Pats though, we enjoy it.

  91. Lol at all the people commenting saying to strike. If these guys have nothing to hide, then they should cooperate. The majority of players in the league play within the rules of the game, so to expect them to go on strike just to protect a bunch of drug cheats is insane.

  92. cribbage12 says:
    Aug 16, 2016 9:26 AM
    Brady’s case had evidence. This Al Jazeera case is nothing but hearsay from a proven non-credible source.

    Sure they did,

    they had a ball that D’Qwell intercepted that the Colts messed with on the sidelines. True version, D’qwell never said it was soft and the colts staff stuck a needle in it to “test” the air pressure.

    But that’s OK, right?

    The had a text from 6 months before the AFCCG. Wow, that’s proof positive for sure.

    What was that Forest Gump’s mom said about stupid?

  93. beerbratscheese says:
    Aug 15, 2016 10:12 PM
    So Goodell is using the old “guilty until proven innocent” strategy. It’s a bold move, Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off for him.

    _________________________________

    um, no. its “Innocent until proven guilty” knot head….

    Anyway,

    These guys know they could be proven guilty, due to testifying/interviewing against themselves.

    They could probably plead the 5th, but that will be a while until a court hearing to even do that. In the meantime, if it gets that far, they will most likely get suspended.

    So a real question is: you can take Cancer drugs to help heal your body because it could be life saving, but you cannot take a growth hormone to help heal your body, because it is considered ‘Performance enhancing?

    How about it is for being able to get the fu%$ out of bed on a Monday?

  94. I couldn’t be happier for all of you Steeler and Green Bay fans. Especially the Steeler fans that stood on your soapboxes and called for Brady to go down. Enjoy the witch hunt fellas, enjoy it! Now that they got the white knight Manning out of the way they can go after the others. The Parkers have been too good for too long and we all know how much Goodell hates Harrison! Remember you all supported Roger when he was railroading Brady so you can’t complain now!

  95. I’d say the answer here is pretty simple: when the CBA, whose spirit is clearly being violated, is up, the players should immediately walk away and demand that power be explicitly returned in the next CBA to where it should be on these matters.

    The players should demand that these ridiculous powers that have been usurped be given up WITHOUT COMPENSATION, as in the owners should get nothing in return. Until the NFLPA is granted that as a STARTING POINT, the players shouldn’t even sit down for full CBA negotiations.

  96. torebear says:
    Aug 16, 2016 7:46 AM

    Is cheating conduct detrimental to the league? I would say it is.
    Is taking PEDs cheating? Yes

    So what is the problem?
    ——————————-

    Is leaking lies to the media conduct detrimental to the league? Yep.

    Is perpetrating a fraud about non-existent football deflation conduct detrimental to the league? Hell yes.

    Integrity Goodell and the league office, along with a bunch of clueless owners, are the problem.

    People are getting tired of Integrity Goodell running roughshod over the CBA, and watching the Patriots get hammered for stupid, made up infractions, whilst the rest of the league, specifically the Jets, get off with little to no punishment, for things that actually happened.

    Wake up people. Integrity Goodell is the problem, and not the solution.

  97. When exactly did all of the pansies start caring about football players using PEDs anyway? It’s not like this is the Olympics or anything.

    These guys are gladiators that run around and smash into each other. The bigger and stronger they are, the better.

  98. Be prepared to give up your cellphone guys!

    As the PFT peanut gallery will tell you, if you don’t give up your phone for examination that’s PROOF that you’re guilty and can be suspended for 4 games.

    Brady actually had proof of his innocence in PSI that physicists said showed no deflation (showing how corrupt Goodell is) – so don’t expect Goodell to scour their cellphones and find nothing.

    As Brady knew, when Ritchie incognito gave up his cellphone, unrelated embarrassing texts were released to the public

    Can’t wait to see what Goodell releases to the media should these guys “cooperate” and turn over their cellphones!

    Y’all reap what you sow Haters – you never seemed to understand the principle of suspending Brady without evidence would come back to haunt YOUR teams! ;)-

  99. So much hot air from so many bloviating Patriots fans. Nobody has been suspended. They’re required to comply with an investigtion, which will most likely result in nothing, just like it did for Peyton. The real criminals get caught and punished, like Brady and the Pats.

  100. Dear Mr Harrison, Matthews, Pepper and Neal

    As part of our investigation the NFL requests permission to search your home for any evidence related to our investigation. You refusal to allow us to search your home will be seen as non cooperation and/or possibly obstruction of this investigation and you will be subject to suspension.

    That above folks, is the power being tested by the NFL. Its not a matter of if they ask a player its a matter of when.

  101. the NFL acts exactly like the US government…spread disinfo in the media, have a trial by media, win in court using spurious laws that are ‘technically’ legal, when everyone KNOWS that they are WRONG. play the patriotism card to the hilt, deftly navigate PR with the current topical subjects in the newz, demonize figures that are hard to empathize with so they can steal their money, etc., etc., and etc…

  102. Enough about Peyton Manning cooperating.

    Manning lawyered up immediately, Archibald sent his goons to the Guyer Institute to clean out any and all records pertaining to Peyton and/or his wife, and then sent them down, posing as police officers, to intimidate the parents of the guy that leaked the information.

    All of those are actions of the very guilty.

  103. I t will be interesting to hear the reaction from all the frauds of the other 31 teams when they get their asses handed to them simply because Herr Roger dictates it. It will be doubly interesting to see which owner or owners (if any) challenge him when his band of Nazi’s descends on their teams.

  104. Listen, these guys should have nothing to fear if innocent. Why not just go to New York and see Roger? If I was innocent I would have been like Peyton Manning and cried from the mountain top that I was innocent. The fact is like Tom Shady these guys all have something to hide. Brady himself has used PEDs since getting into the league and it’s been so obviously I’m shocked no one has bagged him. He was a 6th round pick that managed to have a hall of fame career? I can buy Montana because he was in a clean era. But Brady? He was a noddle armed QB out of Michigan. Without PEDs he would have been out of the league years ago. Unless you think avocado ice cream is really the reason why he hasn’t dropped off due to age. Just like another Boston sports icon Big Papi tested positive for steroids in 2003 people sweep it under the rug.

    Clay Matthews has been using since USC. The most obvious case other than Brady in the league. Peppers I’m not surprised he used. Neal is a fringe guy and Harrison is an absolute user hence is why he can still go at an advanced age. I’m a Ravens fan so I have no horse in this race other than someone who likes seeing true justice in a league that needs order. Did Goodell botch Ray Rice? To an extent yes. But at least Rice cooperated. Tom Brady destroyed his cell phone because he had something to hide. Manning? He stood right up and told the truth. He was cleared by an independent panel. Brady I view as someone outside of the top 5 because of his obvious PED usage and the cheating of deflating the balls. Plus the cheating culture of the Pats in general especially with the running backs. The Packers cheat as well. Rodgers did the same thing as Brady and never got busted.

    Manning isn’t in this boat because he was clean and played the right way. I’m not a manning but hugger either. He’s given my team more heart ache over the years than what it’s worth. But you respect Peyton because he never cheated. Tom Shady? Cheated his whole career from PEDs to deflated footballs. At least I know that the Ravens two titles are untainted and were led by great leaders such as Reed Lewis Suggs etc… I believe the only one out of this Al Jazera report is the only one to actually confront those allegations up front. That man is Peyton Manning.

  105. mmack66 says:
    Aug 16, 2016 9:59 AM
    When exactly did all of the pansies start caring about football players using PEDs anyway? It’s not like this is the Olympics or anything.

    These guys are gladiators that run around and smash into each other. The bigger and stronger they are, the better.

    OK, now you’re presenting as a Michael Vick type. They are human beings, not animals for you to enjoy watching as they are brutalized.

    Or maybe you’re OK with 45 year old guys who can’t tie their own shoes as a result of PEds and CTEs.

  106. flaccojumpball says:
    Aug 16, 2016 11:52 AM
    Listen, these guys should have nothing to fear if innocent. Why not just go to New York and see Roger? If I was innocent I would have been like Peyton Manning and cried from the mountain top that I was innocent.

    It’s funny when you say that like it’s true. Or did you intentionally leave out the goon squad coming to Sly’s house posing as cops?
    Does reality even matter to you?

  107. flaccojumpball says:
    Aug 16, 2016 11:52 AM
    Listen, these guys should have nothing to fear if innocent. Why not just go to New York and see Roger? If I was innocent I would have been like Peyton Manning and cried from the mountain top that I was innocent. The fact is like Tom Shady these guys all have something to hide. Brady himself has used PEDs since getting into the league and it’s been so obviously I’m shocked no one has bagged him. He was a 6th round pick that managed to have a hall of fame career? I can buy Montana because he was in a clean era. But Brady? He was a noddle armed QB out of Michigan. Without PEDs he would have been out of the league years ago. Unless you think avocado ice cream is really the reason why he hasn’t dropped off due to age. Just like another Boston sports icon Big Papi tested positive for steroids in 2003 people sweep it under the rug.

    Clay Matthews has been using since USC. The most obvious case other than Brady in the league. Peppers I’m not surprised he used. Neal is a fringe guy and Harrison is an absolute user hence is why he can still go at an advanced age. I’m a Ravens fan so I have no horse in this race other than someone who likes seeing true justice in a league that needs order. Did Goodell botch Ray Rice? To an extent yes. But at least Rice cooperated. Tom Brady destroyed his cell phone because he had something to hide. Manning? He stood right up and told the truth. He was cleared by an independent panel. Brady I view as someone outside of the top 5 because of his obvious PED usage and the cheating of deflating the balls. Plus the cheating culture of the Pats in general especially with the running backs. The Packers cheat as well. Rodgers did the same thing as Brady and never got busted.

    Manning isn’t in this boat because he was clean and played the right way. I’m not a manning but hugger either. He’s given my team more heart ache over the years than what it’s worth. But you respect Peyton because he never cheated. Tom Shady? Cheated his whole career from PEDs to deflated footballs. At least I know that the Ravens two titles are untainted and were led by great leaders such as Reed Lewis Suggs etc… I believe the only one out of this Al Jazera report is the only one to actually confront those allegations up front. That man is Peyton Manning.

    Welcome to Fantasy Island

  108. @orange and blue

    “The goon squad” there is zero evidence of other than heresay. There is evidence of the other players getting shipments. Mannings wife had difficulties in her pregnancy and needed supplements. It’s not going to him. There is evidence of Tom Brady however cheating. Why else would he break his phone? The deflator? Please…Goodell had him cold. Just like he had Matthews Peppers and Harrison cold.

  109. Listen, how come every ex NFL player came out in support of Manning but not the other 4 or Tom Shady? They know what’s up. Pats fans are just butthurt over this offseason. Listen it’s tough to look around the league and see QBs such as Flacco Big Ben Peyton Manning and Eli Manning that have all won more legitimate Super Bowls than you. I can’t put Rodgers on that list because he cheated as well with the inflation of the footballs just was never disciplined. Obviously you had HGH Matthews on the DLine as well. Clean up the game. Oh, and don’t give me that deer antler spray stuff on Ray Ray because it was LEGAL. HGH has never been legal. Neither is whatever PED a QB in New England has been using his entire career. It’s not avocado ice cream either.


  110. Welcome to Fantasy Island

    @Orange and Blue

    Fantasy Land? So David Ortiz never tested positive for Steroids? Look back at your articles and you’ll see that yes the NYT reported he tested positive. Just because he plays in Boston you don’t need to wear rose colored glasses. Same with Brady. A 6th round pick can go on to have a top level career and outperform a guy with the Pedigree of Peyton Manning without some kind of help? You believe that?

    Manning played clean and it’s sad that people make up rumors about a goon squad in order to discredit a career I call the greatest of all time. The rest should just admit their wrongdoing and take their punishment like men. Don’t be Brady.

  111. orange and blue own all the cheating records says:
    Aug 16, 2016 11:55 AM

    They are human beings, not animals for you to enjoy watching as they are brutalized.
    ———————–

    Lol. Tell that to the owners.

  112. flaccojumpball says:
    Aug 16, 2016 12:10 PM

    Oh, and don’t give me that deer antler spray stuff on Ray Ray because it was LEGAL.
    ———————–

    No it wasn’t. It contains a banned substance.

    What PED are you alleging that Brady took?

  113. BWAHAHAHAHA! Oh…sweet, sweet irony.

    As a Pats fan, I’m REALLY looking forward to seeing Goodell completely ANNIHILATE these cheaters. After all, it’s “more probable than not” that they CHEATED!

    10 game suspension for the players – minimum.

    The Packers doping is obviously systematic much like the Russian olympians. They should lose a 1st rounder and next two 3rd rounders plus a $1mil fine.

    The Steelers continue their long and storied history of PED use. As a habitual violator – they also lose a 1st round, 3rd and $1mil fine.

  114. flaccojumpball says:
    Aug 16, 2016 12:02 PM

    @orange and blue

    “The goon squad” there is zero evidence of other than heresay. There is evidence of the other players getting shipments. Mannings wife had difficulties in her pregnancy and needed supplements. It’s not going to him. There is evidence of Tom Brady however cheating. Why else would he break his phone? The deflator? Please…Goodell had him cold. Just like he had Matthews Peppers and Harrison cold.

    …….

    HGH is not an FDA approved treatment for fertility issues and the timeline of when Manning’s kids were born and when the shipments allegedly arrived does not add up. His twins were born in March 2011, so Ashley did not need any fertility drugs in 2011, when she allegedly received HGH shipments. No idea if anything shady happed with Peyton, there isn’t enough proof, but the HGH was for fertility argument is false.

    Science exonerated Brady, the only scientists that agreed with NFL were the ones who received a check from the NFL. And the “deflator” text was in May, and none of the texts said anything about deflating a ball after ref inspection. Not proof of anything.

  115. Science exonerated Brady, the only scientists that agreed with NFL were the ones who received a check from the NFL. And the “deflator” text was in May, and none of the texts said anything about deflating a ball after ref inspection. Not proof of anything.

    @Veddermn

    The only people who think science exonerated Brady are delusional Pats fans. The balls on the sideline were deflated by quite a bit. How come it wasn’t like that on the Colts sideline? Why do you have video tape of the Deflator going into the bathroom with balls? Brady just so happens to text someone he claimed he didn’t know under oath the day the investigation started? Just face it. Your hero cheated in more ways than one and at least no one has found out what PEDs he’s been using as of yet. Don’t feel bad I’m sure there’s more Packers and Steelers that are using.

  116. @MMack66

    If it wasn’t legal Ray wouldn’t have been stupid enough to come out and openly use it. Much different than what these guys did. They gamed the system, including Tom Shady. The Patriots cheat every chance they get so I’m not sure what PED Brady is currently using but his personal doctor is a quack that got busted for fraud and he’s QB in his late 30s posting high numbers that was drafted in the 6th round. It’s like Mike Piazza in baseball. The guy was a 60th rounder pick that had a HOF career and I guarantee he had more Backne than any other Mets player. Manning has a pedigree that cannot be touched by someone like Shady. That organization has a culture of cheating. Apparently so don’t the Steelers and their juiced up offensive line from way back when and the Packers now. Rodgers doctors footballs and the rest of them juice!

  117. It will be great to see the Ravens sore again this year. With a real elite QB who doesn’t Doctor footballs and doesn’t use PEDs. We have legitimate titles in Baltimore unlike the Patsies who have none. The Packers and Steelers should have to give some back for their cheating as well. Clay Matthews has cheated his entrie career. Aaron Rodgers has as well. Makes me proud that we have a great owner with integrity that represents Baltimore and a commissioner that won’t stand for any cheating or bending the rules.

  118. flaccojumpball says:
    Aug 16, 2016 2:10 PM

    @MMack66

    If it wasn’t legal Ray wouldn’t have been stupid enough to come out and openly use it.
    ———————–

    He was stupid enough.

  119. flaccojumpball says:
    Aug 16, 2016 2:15 PM

    It will be great to see the Ravens sore again this year.
    ———————-

    Oh, they will be. You can take that to the bank.

    Their head coach will be sore as well. A sore loser, that is.

  120. Flaccojumpball has a very selective memory, guess he forgot about a certain player who beat his wife in an elevator , the player who threatened to pour bleach on his girlfriend and last but not least the player who obstructed justice in a murder investigation . I still say the missing bloody suit is under the statue erected for the player.

  121. flaccojumpball says:
    Aug 16, 2016 2:05 PM

    Science exonerated Brady, the only scientists that agreed with NFL were the ones who received a check from the NFL. And the “deflator” text was in May, and none of the texts said anything about deflating a ball after ref inspection. Not proof of anything.

    @Veddermn

    The only people who think science exonerated Brady are delusional Pats fans. The balls on the sideline were deflated by quite a bit. How come it wasn’t like that on the Colts sideline? Why do you have video tape of the Deflator going into the bathroom with balls? Brady just so happens to text someone he claimed he didn’t know under oath the day the investigation started? Just face it. Your hero cheated in more ways than one and at least no one has found out what PEDs he’s been using as of yet. Don’t feel bad I’m sure there’s more Packers and Steelers that are using.

    ……

    3 of 4 Colts balls were underinflated on one gauge and the Colts balls were kept in a bag (thus drier ) and were measured after the Pats (thus were warmer). And the Colts admitted to illegally putting a needle in one of the Pats balls on the sidelines after the interception and yet faced zero punishment, strange no? And the “only people” who believe Brady were also scientists from some of the best universities and colleges in the country, not just Pats fans. Its pretty easy to look up. And why has the NFL refused to release the PSI data? Why did Goodell lie in court about the Brady testimony? Why did the NFL refuse to correct the false leaks? Why did Goodell repeatedly call Wells “independent” when the NFL edited the report and used a Wells attorney to represent them at the appeal, an appalling conflict of interest? Why did he deny equal discovery to Brady’s side? All this whole thing proved was the NFL can do whatever they want.

  122. kenmasters34 says:
    Aug 15, 2016 10:55 PM
    3 Packers on that list. I wonder how Packer fans who backed Goodell(v Brady) feel now?

    I wonder which team will face Goodell next year?
    _______________
    This Packer fan supports Goodell. I am sick and tired of cheaters prospering in the NFL and seasons ending with asterisks. I want a level playing field. Before some idiot brings up Rodgers inflated balls realize that officials inspected and either fixed or passed them. They were not altered AFTER the official’s inspection as part of an underground, nefarious attempt at cheating by a group unsavory low-lives.

  123. Oh you mean the Colts who cheated when they checked the Pats game ball then handed it over to Walt A that is illegal
    Oh you mean the NFL who have made zero mention of that anywhere

    Oh and lima key please stop you’ve been challeneged by so many and are proven mostly non factual

  124. lsuzilla says:
    Aug 15, 2016 7:52 PM
    I don’t see the problem. The NFL has dirt on these players obviously. Don’t want to be suspended? Don’t cheat.
    ========================
    The problem is the NFL has nothing. The purpose of the interviews are to get dirt on the players. THAT’s the problem.

  125. contra74isloosebutthole says:

    This Packer fan supports Goodell. I am sick and tired of cheaters prospering in the NFL and seasons ending with asterisks.
    ————————-

    Seasons don’t end with asterisks. If they did, every team that ever won a Super Bowl would have an asterisk next to their name. Same with most players.

    Vince Lombardi would cry if he were here today and read some of the nonsense that you pansies write.

  126. mmack66 says:
    Aug 17, 2016 11:06 AM
    contra74isloosebutthole says:

    This Packer fan supports Goodell. I am sick and tired of cheaters prospering in the NFL and seasons ending with asterisks.
    ————————-

    Seasons don’t end with asterisks. If they did, every team that ever won a Super Bowl would have an asterisk next to their name. Same with most players.

    Vince Lombardi would cry if he were here today and read some of the nonsense that you pansies write.

    Based on what I’ve read about him he would likely have labeled those who cry cheat, “hinky dinky fans of a hinky dinky team in a hinky dinky town”

    Disagree? Try reading a bit more than headline on a webpage.

  127. contra74isloosebutthole says:
    Aug 16, 2016 6:49 PM
    kenmasters34 says:
    Aug 15, 2016 10:55 PM
    3 Packers on that list. I wonder how Packer fans who backed Goodell(v Brady) feel now?

    I wonder which team will face Goodell next year?
    _______________
    This Packer fan supports Goodell. I am sick and tired of cheaters prospering in the NFL and seasons ending with asterisks. I want a level playing field. Before some idiot brings up Rodgers inflated balls realize that officials inspected and either fixed or passed them. They were not altered AFTER the official’s inspection as part of an underground, nefarious attempt at cheating by a group unsavory low-lives.

    Agreed,

    only a low life cheater would lie about D”Qwell Jackson saying the ball he intercepted being soft then stick a needle in it on the sidelines and then hand it to the ref.

    Only a low life cheater would tell you Walt’s memory is both perfect and imperfect in the same investigation.

    Only a low life cheater would tell someone they had fully cooperated then say they were uncooperative.

    I could go on but what’s the point. You guys aren’t’ interested in the truth. You prefer to speculate on what a guy might be doing in a bathroom for 90 seconds

  128. If Goodell can suspend Brady over something Brady did not actually do, AND worse, then give him a punishment that is the equivalent of a life sentence for going 31 mph in a 30 mph zone, then he can do just about any damn thing he wants. Justice and fairness are irrelevant to him.

    He cares nothing about “integrity”, only his own ego and getting off on his perverted power trip.

  129. Hard to understand how a dirt ball with Manning’s track record gets any benefit of doubt, particularly since there’s no logical reason that his wife was actually the one who took the dope as he claims.

  130. flaccojumpball says:
    Aug 16, 2016 12:17 PM

    Welcome to Fantasy Island

    @Orange and Blue

    Fantasy Land? So David Ortiz never tested positive for Steroids? Look back at your articles and you’ll see that yes the NYT reported he tested positive. Just because he plays in Boston you don’t need to wear rose colored glasses. Same with Brady. A 6th round pick can go on to have a top level career and outperform a guy with the Pedigree of Peyton Manning without some kind of help? You believe that?

    Manning played clean and it’s sad that people make up rumors about a goon squad in order to discredit a career I call the greatest of all time. The rest should just admit their wrongdoing and take their punishment like men. Don’t be Brady.

    You’re right, I apologize. You did stumble upon one fact. Ortiz was named. The notion that this links anything about Framegate to Brady or New England is just childish Hateroid nonsense.

    Make up rumors? What do you call it when two guys show up and pose a law enforcement but refuse to show badges? When a family member actually calls the police?

    Amazing how, in the face of evidence much more damming than anything presented in Framegate folks choose to support their heroes.

    Now you can return to Fantasy Island, or provide additional facts, not opinions, to support your position.

  131. Wait a minute, I thought Brady was punished for being generally aware of some ball deflation scheme.

  132. hey flacco jump ball you sau a Commish that wont stand for rule breakking> He did the Colts broke the rules checking the Pats gane ball then handed over to the official. That is rule breaking whwre’s is your commish now?

  133. dandeman19 says:
    Aug 20, 2016 5:22 PM
    hey flacco jump ball you sau a Commish that wont stand for rule breakking> He did the Colts broke the rules checking the Pats gane ball then handed over to the official. That is rule breaking whwre’s is your commish now?
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  134. If you look at both sides in regards to preponderance of the evidence both sides have issues . But the NFL has much more issues in in quantity. and they are the accusing party. That should be concerning since they are also the governing body. If you haters can’t see that then God help you if your team is done the way the Pats were

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