NFLPA, four players facing suspension still deciding how to respond

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On Monday, the NFL made an aggressive move in the lingering PED probe arising from last year’s Al Jazeera documentary, telling four players to submit to interviews regarding PED allegations or face indefinite suspensions for conduct detrimental to the league. A day later no decisions have been made by the affected players (Packers linebackers Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers, Steelers linebacker James Harrison, and free-agent defensive lineman Mike Neal) regarding how to proceed, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

The options are simple: Submit to the interviews, refuse to submit and fight, or attempt to negotiate terms of an interview with specific ground rules and limitations. It’s possible that some players will choose to submit, and that others will choose to fight. Ultimately, it’s a decision each player must make.

Fighting doesn’t necessarily mean accepting a suspension. However the issue is presented for resolution, by arbitrator, special master, or judge, procedures are available to resolve the conflict between the terms of the PED policy and Article 46 of the labor deal before anyone would miss a game check.

Of the four players facing suspension, Harrison presumably would be the most likely to fight. After all, it was the Steelers in 2011 who voted to reject the proposed CBA, due in large part to the Commissioner’s power. Although the rest of the rank and file weren’t willing to allow the lockout to extend into the regular season, the Steelers apparently would have.

Just last month, Harrison mentioned the Steelers’ refusal to endorse the CBA in response to the news that Tom Brady’s four-game suspension had become final. As a practical matter, this is Harrison’s chance, five years later, to take the stand that players on 31 other teams didn’t want to take, declining to be interviewed and directing the NFLPA to fight the league’s claim that the PED policy requires players accused of a violation to provide testimony that, in theory, could be twisted and warped and taken out of context to support a predetermined conclusion that a violation occurred.

103 responses to “NFLPA, four players facing suspension still deciding how to respond

  1. “… to provide testimony that, in theory, could be twisted and warped and taken out of context to support a predetermined conclusion that a violation occurred.”

    In theory?

  2. Don’t speak to the NFL. Either way they’ll be suspended! Back Goodell into a hole he can’t get out of. Then just maybe owners will FINALLY step in. Karma is coming Mr.Integrity!

  3. Easy it does not matter what you do According to Wells Brady was very cooperative Goodell deemed he wasn’t and he lowered the boom on him.

  4. Soon it will be like this:

    Goodell: Why did you use a horse collar tackle on that receiver?
    Player: I was just trying desperately to tackle him, but I did not mean to horse collar the guy.
    Goodell: So it was not intentional?
    Player: No.
    Goodell: Admit it was intentional & malicious or you are suspended indefinitely for conduct detrimental. And then hail the Fuhrer.

  5. Boy I hope the NFL gets another black eye from these shenanigans. The eventual downfall of Roger Goodell starts now, to the joy of many NFL fans.

  6. They should tell the NFL to go pound salt. Produce the credible evidence from the “Commissioner that should have unquestioned integrity” funny how the owners dont follow that major part of the CBA.

  7. This is an issue for the NFLPA – and a much stronger one since the section of the CBA that talks about drug use requires a “credible” standard. If the NFL can avoid the standard by saying the “conduct detrimental” overrules the specific drug section it stands contract law on its head (the general would overcome the specific if the NFL has its way). Goodell and the NFL lawyers are making a mockery of labor cooperation and the NFL will reap the reward when the next negotiations for a new CBA commence. This is another idiotic waste of public good will by the NFL. Instead of the beginning of the season games we’re talking about lawsuits again! Jerry Jones needs to get involved and stop Goodell’s self destructive megalomania.

  8. I get the NFLPA’s desire to “stand your ground”, but like it or not, the NFL has the leverage here based on previous rulings. Are these players seriously going to allow such a team distraction or take a suspension just to refuse an interview and prove some point? That’s preposterous.

    Again, like it or not, I’d expect some settlement or capitulation by most of the players eventually.

  9. There’s nothing behind the “story” of these guys using PEDs because the “source” of the information recanted.

    But that doesn’t stop the NFL from launching an investigation and forcing these guys to submit or be suspended.

    And those of you who try to equate this with your jobs and your employers consider this scenario: Your local newspaper prints an article saying you’re taking drugs based on a source with no credibility.

    Your employer then demands you take a drug test based on that story.

    Sure, you’ll take the drug test because you have no rights other than to quit your job.

    But that doesn’t make it right. And in the NFL where the players’ union tries to protect its players from BS like this, they will try to help these guys wrongfully accused in the press.

  10. The next collective bargaining agreement will be a war between players and owners with this garbage being played out by Goodell and the Owners. Don’t upset the apple cart Rog just saying.

  11. I agree with Mike.

    The NFL has gathered too much power with the commissioner as the focus of this power.

    Had Tom Brady won his case, the NFL wouldn’t would not have had the impetus nor the balls to deal this way with the so-called ‘Al-Jazeera 4’.

    Now, this should be cause for a strike against the NFL by the NFLPA.

  12. All you Patriots, Brady and Bill Belichick haters that wanted a hanging without proper trial and jury on them. I wrote in the past, be careful what you wish for as it could come back down the road and bite you in the behind… Here it is, proof and fact, the commissioner’s power is too much and the abuse of this power is evident. With the backing of the courts the NFL now has from Deflategate , Personal Conduct Policy, or Article 46 powers regarding the integrity of the game will be used as a “Blanket” to do whatever it(he) wants to do to players. Again, I never wished this on anyone in my prior posts, but here it is, no one is safe now.

  13. What the NFL needs right now is a whistleblower, a leak or a hack, something that penetrates the fortress of silence and exposes the emails, the decision-making apparatus, the private phone calls and conversations that are behind all this nonsensical monarchy that currently shields the billionaire boys’ club from just what a vile bunch of greedy, infantile autocrats are profiting from this money-making machine. For my part, all NFL teams should be on the Packers’ ownership model.

  14. Only loser is the fans who have to watch these tricky tack events come together. You have nothing on the players, nothing.

  15. It won’t end well for the NFL. It’s another power play by Goodwill. And don’t tell it has anything to do with the integrity of the shield or that the owners are making him do it. It is pure Goodell. The man is sick and a threat to the real integrity of the NFL.

  16. love the commish but i gotta support harrison here. ever since he stood his ground and refused to let the mother of his child prevent that child from being baptized (and therefore get into heaven) i have respected him as a family man and as a human being. however i do think he should show some more respect to the power of the shield in this instance!

  17. Packer players don’t want to fight this, believe me because they’re really on drugs and hiding something. You all can run but you can’t hide.

  18. Aww, c’mon! Peyton “cooperated” and was cleared. Afraid you won’t get the same treatment?? No fear, the NFL only gives out what is deserved. Right?…right?

  19. Goodell clearly has it out for Harrison. Sort of odd he had a random PED test today. BTW sounds like he passed, AGAIN. When that new CBA was passed shame on the rest of the league for not growing a set. Wonder if the other 3 had a random test? BTW Goodell wants games to be safer. We will see more KO returns this year then we have seen in the last 5 as teams will try to stick it inside the 5 or just inside the end zone to temp teams return. jmo

  20. Follow the example set by the GOAT, Peyton. Cooperate, and be exonerated. Don’t act suspiciously, like, you know, smashing your phone and stuff.

  21. Since the NFL no longer needs actual proof of a PED violation to be suspended just an accusation. I’m going to publicly accuse (does FB count?) the top 5 players from each team my team is playing this year. Why not? it will help boost the Shield’s overinflated ego, and my team will get an easier trip to the playoffs.

  22. There are people outside of Green Bay who don’t think Clay has done PED’s?

    Huh. Wouldn’t have guessed it.

  23. profootball13 says:
    Aug 16, 2016 10:12 PM

    If only Brady hadn’t Cheated and opened up this Ugly Can of Worms……
    _______________________________
    Will you be the first jealous Patriot hater to explain how 3 of 4 Colt’s footballs also tested below the legal PSI in the same game but won’t explain how that happened?? I won’t expect an answer child! Keep supporting your hero Ayatollah Goodell! Try having your team beat the Patriot’s on the field instead of having your hero Roger make something up to help your team beat them!!!!!!! What is your favorite team pf13? I will look forward to what Roger does to your team and I am sure you won’t whine about it because Roger never lies!!

  24. So many of these NFL players did not have Tom Brady’s back. They all should have viewed it as Brady on their side and Goodell on the other.

  25. ajames35 says:
    Aug 16, 2016 10:00 PM
    I get the NFLPA’s desire to “stand your ground”, but like it or not, the NFL has the leverage here based on previous rulings. Are these players seriously going to allow such a team distraction or take a suspension just to refuse an interview and prove some point? That’s preposterous.

    Again, like it or not, I’d expect some settlement or capitulation by most of the players eventually.

    ////////////

    Wrong. This is a can of worms the NFL wants opened. This is far bigger than these 4 players. This is precedent-setting. Despise the Packers/Steelers or not, every NFL fan should be on the side of the NFLPA. If the NFL has its way, suspensions are coming to a city near you. Book it. It’s time all NFL fans coalesce.

  26. I just watched concussion. How can anyone trust Goodell and his lackeys on the Brady witch hint or any player discipline.

  27. “could be twisted and warped and taken out of context to support a predetermined conclusion that a violation occurred.”

    Oh come on, like thats ever happened before, it’s more likely than not the league office is overflowing with integrity.. At least that’s what the told espn to leak.

  28. The owners of every sports league have always had the public support behind them with any strike, do the owners of the NFL not realize this dictatorship by roger goodell is causing the general public to throw their support to the players? Do they not realize how important the views of the general public are when giving and demanding in a CBA?

  29. In the real world, companies do investigations all the time based on less information.

    If an anonymous tip is received alleging illegal behavior – sexual harassment, embezzlement, etc – companies launch investigations.

    As part of the investigation and fact finding, employees may be called to be interviewed about the allegations.

    This is no different than what the league is doing. Don’t think that just because someone recanted the allegations that they may have been coerced into doing so.

    At the end of the day – if i was accused of something that i was innocent of – i would welcome the opportunity to clear my name. If the players here are truly innocent – then what do they have to worry about?

  30. 3 of the “Al Jazeera 4” are Packers. I heard that an equipment guy at Lambeau refers to himself as the PEDpacker.

    They are cheaters! Asterisks on their Superbowl victories! /sarcasm

    Packers Fans that wanted Goodell to Punish Brady…. you got what you wished for.

  31. seriously423 says:
    Aug 16, 2016 9:39 PM

    you know what…

    perhaps a strike by the players who have the worst cba of all 4 major sports is the only way to stop this madness.
    —————–

    Maybe you should check out Wikipedia and check how successful the Players’ last strike was…..

    If only Brady hadn’t Cheated and opened up this Ugly Can of Worms……

  32. I suggest having your fans form a 10 man march and for them to raise $224.37 towards the fines.

    And the of course your owner can admit guilt, forfeit picks and pay $millions.

    Finally whine a lot

    #PATSWAY

  33. A suspension a these two great Packer players would give the Vikings at least a fighting chance of christening their brand new building with something other than a humiliating loss.

  34. Although I am having fun watching cheese nation squirm on top of their high horse. This may be true or it might not but why would the NFL or anyone in THIS country give any credibility to a news organization that acts like cheerleaders every time there is a terrorist attack against the USA or any country that shares western values. Lies are spewed all day every day by Al-Jazeera.

  35. fartweasel says:
    Aug 16, 2016 10:06 PM

    If they are innocent why fight the request for an interview? Exactly.

    …………………………………………….

    It’s well documented in many articles about this story why that’s not at all the point here. I get what you’re saying, but it’s the precedent that would be set if the players “gave in” to unsubstantiated accusations. The CBA seems to prevent such actions by the NFL.

  36. If the league does not launch a credible investigation into this issue, it will be detrimental to the leagues image, it’s credibility, it’s franchises credibility, it’s players credibility and the credibility of the sport.

    Sport is about athletic performance, not pharmacological advances.

    If these players refuse to allow the league to conduct a credible investigation they deserve to be suspended.

    Those who dope put their own health at risk and since this is a physical sport, their opponents. The NFLPA seems to view doping as just another CBA issue. It’s not.

    Remember, Armstrong “never tested positive”, yet he was doping up to the eyeballs. It was people telling the truth that finally did him in.

  37. Friendly suggestion – submit to the interviews and answer the questions honestly. If there is nothing in it, then relax. However, if the allegations are true, then face the consequences.

  38. Who said the CBA was toothless? Wasn’t the CBA responsible for enabling Adrian Peterson to pay his $5,000.00 “fine” to a youth group and avoid prison time for beating a four year old child until he bled and after stuffing leaves in his mouth?

    Get those attorneys, and then ask yourselves………what’s worse? Why is Peterson still in the news? Why did Peterson get rewarded with a one year vacation and a pay raise to cover all his losses and then some? Why is this confirmed and acknowledged event not taking precedence over lies and self-admitted deceptions from a loser? Where are the priorities in the NFL?

  39. teamnorsecore says:
    Aug 17, 2016 4:24 AM
    The silence you hear…..is Lambeau Field….
    ////////////////////////////////////

    If they didn’t do anything, they’ll get loud standing ovations. If they did, their replacements will get loud standing ovations.

  40. let’s see if I understand,

    Al Jazeera 4? There were 5 players named. If Binky Boy was innocent and Sly was not credible then why go after these guys?

    Al Jazeera 5 or zero. There’s no other honest result.

    Btw, why did the colts lie about D’Qwell saying the ball was soft? I know flaccojump and key lime will have an answer ’cause they know the truth.

    Until they can answer, we can all see that they are clueless or fibers.

  41. Drama, drama WHO CARES !!!
    Just PLAY FOOTBALL ALREADY !!!!
    Sometimes I like reading the comments but dang most of you people are just plain drama nuts get a life this does not affect you.

  42. nyfootballgiants says: Aug 16, 2016 11:45 PM
    In the real world, companies do investigations all the time based on less information.

    If an anonymous tip is received alleging illegal behavior – sexual harassment, embezzlement, etc – companies launch investigations.

    As part of the investigation and fact finding, employees may be called to be interviewed about the allegations.

    This is no different than what the league is doing. Don’t think that just because someone recanted the allegations that they may have been coerced into doing so.

    ________________

    Horrible analogy. In the real world, companies dont have scheduled or random lie detector tests and interviews to determine if employees have done something wrong.

    The NFL has an existing PED policy that covers all of this.

  43. stellarperformance says:

    Who said the CBA was toothless? Wasn’t the CBA responsible for enabling Adrian Peterson to pay his $5,000.00 “fine” to a youth group and avoid prison time for beating a four year old child until he bled and after stuffing leaves in his mouth?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    What does the CBA have to do with the Texas legal system and AP?

    AP did not receive any preferential treatment in his legal case in Texas. If any thing, this became a bigger story than it really was because of his celebrity. If he had been an average Texas resident, he never would have been prosecuted in the first place.

    When you make ludicrous posts like this it only confirms you have no comprehension of reality.

    Of course, you are a Packer fan, which means that reality is a concept that you wouldn’t understand anyway.

  44. Just agree to the interview and answer the questions asked by the nfl rep. they have no evidence of wrong doing,the witness has recanted his statement, they have nothing bad in their system to hide,they are innocent so just do the interview and stop being drama queens,then go back and play football.the nflpa wants to use them as pawns in their chess game with the commish.

  45. “The silence you hear…..is Lambeau Field”

    If you sense silence then you are deaf. just because the two Packers player have not cooperated with Goodell as yet doesnt mean they are guilty of anything,they are being advised by their union heads who know the witchhunt is a violation of the CBA and they will fight any suspensions and win in court while the players continue to play under appeal.

  46. ariani1985 says:
    Aug 16, 2016 9:40 PM
    with the packers being multiple offenders will they subtract the dividend checks from the prosperous owners?
    ///////////////////////////////////////////

    I don’t quite understand your question. Are you saying any NFL teams with multiple players being accused of taking performance enhancing drugs must pay dividends to the NFL? Is this something new? Is the “multiple players” a condition that separates the circumstances from an individual player, and makes it unique to the dividend payment requirement? Is this a requirement of the CBA? Why are team owners involved?

    Is this something you can explain more clearly, or should we just nod our heads knowing it came from you and isn’t anything more than silly nonsense?

  47. You would have to have a pretty bad lawyer to have your testimony “twisted and warped and taken out of context to support a predetermined conclusion that a violation occurred”.

  48. If you sense silence then you are deaf. just because the two Packers player have not cooperated with Goodell as yet doesnt mean they are guilty of anything,they are being advised by their union heads who know the witchhunt is a violation of the CBA and they will fight any suspensions and win in court while the players continue to play under appeal.
    __________________________________________

    Sorry buddy, but I wish I could agree with you on this. Deflategate was a witch hunt from day 1 and look how that turned out. The same advice you reference was given to Brady and Goodell was able to parlay that into conduct detrimental. There was zero evidence of any violation (idiots would have you believe a text from May 2014 and an upgraded phone which was told was not needed is evidence, but somehow can dismiss actual scientific evidence that proves otherwise). If these players take this to court, they cannot win. Unfortunately, Article 46 trumps all. The CBA is as worthless as the paper its written on.

  49. The silence you hear…..is Lambeau Field….

    ———-

    Because the Packers’ brass will stay above the rhetoric that Robert Kraft likes to spew.

  50. guess old roger told them to fly past the donkey camp. i am sure he would hate the bad press when they found half the team juicing.

  51. in the real world EVERYONE is tested

    in the WWNFL they “surprise” you with a test. Surprise means lets you know the day before so you can miss practice and miss the test.
    those too stupid to avoid a surprise test (von PED miller) try to pay others for their piss.

    test everyone on a regular basis and then we will have an equal playing field.
    until then, the testing process is biased.

  52. As much as I appreciate what Bob Kraft has done for the organization, he has to get slice of blame pie for this mess. He pushed for Herr Goodell to get the commish job in the first place. Once upon a time, before most Pat haters were born, he pushed Bill Parcells out the door with his meddling in personnel decisions. His tenure as Pats owner has not come without its flaws

  53. Can everybody just stop here for minute and think this thing out. I have wondered why the NFL opened up an investigation in the first place, after it seems the reporter recanted as well has having rather severe credibility issues with the agency he worked for. Wouldn’t have been easier for the NFL to drop it? I did a little research into the baseball scandal and it has become clear, the NFL, regardless of who the commissioner is, has little choice but to open up investigation. Because if they don’t, Congress will, simply because they can. Perhaps the NFLPA would rather have Congress get involved and open up every single player, past and present to prove their case that the NFL does not take the PEDS issue seriously. That the agreed upon policies between the NFL and the Union do not go far enough to identify PED users and are only interested in protecting them from exposure. Is that really what we fans want?

  54. To all those saying that the NFL has an existing PED policy to cover this, you should educate yourselves on the situation. The allegations concern HGH use in 2011-2012. The NFLPA agreed to a ban on HGH in 2011 but wouldn’t agree to a test method until 2014. So it’s the NFLPA’s fault that there are test results to prove these players are clean. Dee Smith created this problem not Roger Goodell.

  55. “Of the four players facing suspension, Harrison presumably would be the most likely to fight.”

    This is because Matthews (aka PED Taker not Claymaker) and Peppers know they are guilty.

  56. The Al Jazeera writer retracted his accusations. So there is no evidence that anyone violated any rules. If this were a criminal court case, and the only witness retracted her statement it would be “case dismissed”. Why are we fooling around here?

  57. tigerlilac says:
    Aug 16, 2016 11:11 PM
    I just watched concussion. How can anyone trust Goodell and his lackeys on the Brady witch hint or any player discipline.

    ****

    You do realize that goes all the way back to Rozelle, right?
    It would be a lot more honest to just say “I hate Goodell because he suspended my cheating qb.”

  58. Rag, It appears it is not that simple. If this was a criminal case, it could continue if there was enough circumstantial evidence to prove the case without the witnesses testimony. Not to mention, the defense could also use the recant and the credibility issues to their advantage.

  59. Personally, I’d do the interview and just state what was in the sworn statements. That puts the pressure on the NFL to either clear you or justfy how absent any proof a suspension could be warranted.

  60. I don’t what is funner. People calling al-Jazeera a credible news organization or the people still acting like Brady wasn’t railroaded because they are blinded by hatred for a handsome rich dude who married the world’s highest-paid supermodel.

  61. ragnarthegreat says:
    Aug 17, 2016 10:02 AM
    The Al Jazeera writer retracted his accusations. So there is no evidence that anyone violated any rules. If this were a criminal court case, and the only witness retracted her statement it would be “case dismissed”. Why are we fooling around here?

    Really? you’re going to pretend the last year and a half of Framgate nonsense never happened?

  62. mogogo1 says:
    Aug 17, 2016 10:32 AM

    Personally, I’d do the interview and just state what was in the sworn statements. That puts the pressure on the NFL to either clear you or justfy how absent any proof a suspension could be warranted
    —–

    then prepare to get suspended for not cooperating. the NFL’s letter to the union clearly states that not answering all questions with complete answers or avoiding the questions will be deemed non-cooperation. thus the suspension.

    I’m not saying it is right, I’m just saying the league has already said that that is what they will do.

  63. You do realize that goes all the way back to Rozelle, right?
    It would be a lot more honest to just say “I hate Goodell because he suspended my cheating qb.”

    —————–

    A lot more honest to say we hate Goodell because he looks the other way while the Donkey’s cheat their way to a 3rd ring

  64. Sounds like a big fat excuse, patsrthegreatest.

    Maybe tell your team to try harder and get better instead of whining about unfairness. Saints fans tried to warn you, but you mocked them while Kraft bedded down with Goodell. Reap it.

  65. What is it going to take for the NFLPA and the Players to wake up to reality? Stop the nonsense! Does Goodell suck? Yes. Should he be fired. Yes. Does everyone hate him. Yes. BUT…it’s been proven time and time again that this is what the players signed up for with the last CBA. You traded less practice for power for Goodell. Now you’re stuck with the fact that Goodell can do what he wants, when he wants. So, man up and go do your interview. If you’re not taking PEDs, then why does it matter? Remember this in the next CBA negotiation.

  66. IMO this situation puts the League in a tougher position than the union or the players involved. The “evidence” against Matthews, Peppers, et al is arguably as strong as the “evidence” against Brady and the Pats. (Pats haters say “no way, Charles Sly recanted”; Pats fans respond that “assorted scientists and seventh graders proved that the balls in the 2015 AFC championship game deflated due to weather conditions”). Given the resources invested in the deflategate investigation and the severity of the Pats’ and Brady’s respective punishments, I think the league now must show consistency in its handling of this situation, especially since the commissioner has posited that Brady’s supposed offense was egregious enough to be on a level with PED use.

    Heck, if I was the Players Association I’d argue that each player’s investigation be conducted separately, if only to prevent culpability in one case from tainting the other three players. That itself will generate a paralyzing series of headaches for the league’s office. Likewise, if the league eventually disciplines the players, then separate suits would be filed in court(s) of the Players Association’s choosing. And finally, if the league elects to give these guys a pass, then the Union has a decent argument for requesting the US Supreme Court to hear the Brady case, i.e., an employer’s inconsistent handling of work rules.

  67. Here’s what’s really interesting,

    People say Al Jazeera is not credible.

    They went out of business, ostensibly due to xenophobic anti arab sentiments in this country. There is no proof that they lacked credibility. None. Sly’s recant after a visit form Daddy manning’s goons notwithstanding.

    But have these same bigots turned off ESPN, who we have proof positive that they are a operation that disseminates proven lies? (11 out 0f 12 2lbs under).

    Maybe they would have done better as Al Redneck or Al Trailerpark. One thing for certain, There are a few folks here who would have bought a lifetime subscription had Sly said Brady or NE did something wrong.

  68. cribbage12 says:
    Aug 16, 2016 11:07 PM
    ajames35 says:
    Aug 16, 2016 10:00 PM
    I get the NFLPA’s desire to “stand your ground”, but like it or not, the NFL has the leverage here based on previous rulings. Are these players seriously going to allow such a team distraction or take a suspension just to refuse an interview and prove some point? That’s preposterous.

    Again, like it or not, I’d expect some settlement or capitulation by most of the players eventually.

    ////////////

    Wrong. This is a can of worms the NFL wants opened. This is far bigger than these 4 players. This is precedent-setting. Despise the Packers/Steelers or not, every NFL fan should be on the side of the NFLPA. If the NFL has its way, suspensions are coming to a city near you. Book it. It’s time all NFL fans coalesce.

    ////////////

    Funny thing is NONE of you Packer or Bears fans were saying this when Pat and Kevin Williams of the Vikings went through the same thing and they weren’t even accused of taking PEDs! They took a supplement product NOT on the league banned list which had a diuretic in it which was illegally NOT on the label of ingredients. Since this substance can be used to mask steroid usage Goodell suspended them for four games even though other tests conclusively showed NEITHER of them used any steroids. Vikings fans back then were complaining about the arbitrary and draconian use of power employed by Goodell and you guys all laughed at us. Now the shoe is on the other foot how does that feel?

  69. I see 2 big jokes coming out of this:

    1. “The integrity of the game”

    2. “Protecting the shield”

    Yeah, right…..

  70. Im going to email the FBI and accuse Roger Goodell of lying to Federal Judges, oops thats already documented, he never answers questions directly, oops thats documented.

    Hey FBI get off your hineys and investigate this scumbag. Seize his phone and put 345 Park Ave on lockdown. Seize everything in that place

  71. James Harrison*
    Carrying on the long held Pittsburgh tradition of cheating by abusing steroids.

    All 6 of the Stealers SB’s are tainted.

    Only delusional people in Pittsburgh, PA believe otherwise…
    Stealers*

  72. realitycheckbaby says:
    Aug 17, 2016 12:19 AM
    I suggest having your fans form a 10 man march and for them to raise $224.37 towards the fines.

    And the of course your owner can admit guilt, forfeit picks and pay $millions.
    _________________
    Dead on.
    That ‘Free Brady’ rally was the joke of the off season.
    Except for the smashing phone thing….
    And that ‘Deflator’ guy that’s trying so hard to lose weight….
    And the Patsie* fans that are in denial……
    But once the owner admitted guilt, the rest is water under the bridge.

  73. kenmasters34 says:
    Aug 16, 2016 11:53 PM

    3 of the “Al Jazeera 4” are Packers. I heard that an equipment guy at Lambeau refers to himself as the PEDpacker.

    They are cheaters! Asterisks on their Superbowl victories! /sarcasm

    Packers Fans that wanted Goodell to Punish Brady…. you got what you wished for.
    ______________________________
    I’m a Packers fan, as with most of my friends and family and I can honestly say I never heard one of them say they agreed with Brady’s punishment. Brady is one of my favorite players, and most fans respect the hell out of him. Check your facts before you blast another fan base.

  74. excusemewhileiwhipthisoutagain says:
    Aug 17, 2016 8:07 AM
    nyfootballgiants says: Aug 16, 2016 11:45 PM
    In the real world, companies do investigations all the time based on less information.

    If an anonymous tip is received alleging illegal behavior – sexual harassment, embezzlement, etc – companies launch investigations.

    As part of the investigation and fact finding, employees may be called to be interviewed about the allegations.

    This is no different than what the league is doing. Don’t think that just because someone recanted the allegations that they may have been coerced into doing so.

    ________________

    Horrible analogy. In the real world, companies dont have scheduled or random lie detector tests and interviews to determine if employees have done something wrong.

    The NFL has an existing PED policy that covers all of this.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Actually there are laws around the use of lie detector tests in employment situations. The league does not engage in random lie detector testing. So much for that argument.

    In addition, the league has multiple avenues to pursue here. PED policy is one. But conduct detrimental to the game is another one – and thats the tact they are using.

    Did you ever think for a minute that every time there are allegations out there about NFL players using illegal substances – that it damages the perception of the league in the eyes of the public? (And let’s not discuss congress here either).

    Real simple – comply with the request, show you are innocent and move on. Then the league can announce they looked into this, and found no credible evidence. Win – win for all.

    But, if you aren’t innocent – then i totally get the reason why you don’t want to be held accountable for your actions.

  75. How do you recant something that you said while under the assumption it was a private conversation.

    Sly wasn’t “on record” when he was boasting about his booming roid business.
    He was SELLING, bragging, name-dropping to instill confidence in his next prospect.
    None of what he said in the secretly recorded video was “on record”.

    Lets see, when are you more candid?

    When A; you’re under the impression no one is listening/spying/recording/videotaping you and you’re having a private conversation behind closed doors?

    -or-

    B. when you’re being videotaped with a virtual legal gun to your head, robotically stating that you were just kidding when you were being videota[ped without your knowledge.

    Given the Mensa crowd on here that still denies 7th grade science, I’m putting out odds that alot of you nitwits will choose B.

    SMH

  76. infectorman says:
    Aug 17, 2016 11:58 AM

    James Harrison*
    Carrying on the long held Pittsburgh tradition of cheating by abusing steroids.

    All 6 of the Stealers SB’s are tainted.

    Only delusional people in Pittsburgh, PA believe otherwise…
    Stealers*
    __________________
    Oh the great hater line. How’s this the first case of steroid use in the NFL dates back to the 1950s and in fact the worst era was the 1980s leading them to being banned in 89. So that said every super bowl before 1989 was tainted right? If you don’t think every team in the league had guys doing one thing or another you are lying to yourself. So no rules were broken it was an even playing field. Harrison has never tested positive and works out like a beast. Every player that has been around him be it a Steeler or Bengal has said his work out is the most extreme thing they have ever seen. Nothing has changed about his body. His head is the exact same size it was 10 years ago. These are all indicators that he does things the right way. Also if you would ever actually read about him the dude treats his body like a shrine and takes supreme care of it. Yoga, massages, chambers, and even acupuncture so to think he would put something in his body that would damage it is a little far fetched. Why hate on a dude that really puts in the work and effort to maintain in the NFL. Oh yeah jealous haters that’s why.

  77. Aside from the persistent whine from Patriots nation, there are a number of thoughtful posts in this thread. Kuddos.

    The aspect that interests me is the further demonstration of what an incompetent clown DeMaurice Smith is. He advised the implicated players to fight on what should have and would have been a non-issue. Now the NFLPA is completely boxed in. They either cave in now — and render themselves powerless to oppose any league disciplinary matters for the remaining five years of the CBA — or they go to court — where they will likely (although not definitely) get an adverse decision that further empowers Grand Inquisitor Goodell.

    Given two crappy alternatives, I assume the NFLPA will litigate and its the players who will suffer. It NEVER should have come to this.

  78. “Broncos – only one SB in the last 18 years. 3 in the last 20. How do you figure they “own” anything except records for cheating?”

    ****

    It’s a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately league. No one cares what happened 15 or 20 years ago. Broncos own the NFL until some other team wins the superbowl.

  79. cribbage12 says:
    Aug 16, 2016 11:07 PM

    Wrong. This is a can of worms the NFL wants opened. This is far bigger than these 4 players. This is precedent-setting. Despise the Packers/Steelers or not, every NFL fan should be on the side of the NFLPA. If the NFL has its way, suspensions are coming to a city near you. Book it. It’s time all NFL fans coalesce.

    //////////

    I somewhat agree here, but my analysis is 100% accurate. Legally, *precedent* is set by courts and formal agreements, not by 4 guys making individual decisions…

    It’s fine to side with the NFLPA. Conceptually, I do too. But tactically, the fact remains – as of today – that the NFL has leverage until something different is adjuducated (courts) or bargained. NFLPA could – maybe should – sue and establish real *precedent* here, but that will prolong the distraction. Regardless of what teams say publicly, they obviously don’t want the distraction or suspensions. Indeed, reports say the Packers privately suggested their players cooperate.

    Again, I predict that either a couple of the players come to some “agreement”….or they’ll file a lawsuit within the month.

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