The risks of submitting to a PED interview

Many (including unofficial league-office executive Stephen A. Smith) have argued that the players implicated by the Al Jazeera documentary as violators of the PED policy should submit to the NFL’s line-in-the-sand demand for an interrogation. If, after all, the players have nothing to hide, why shouldn’t they talk?

Here’s why: Because the players don’t know whether the NFL has a predetermined outcome that the league is looking to support via the selective interpretation of evidence, to the point of twisting it and/or warping it and/or flat-out mischaracterizing what they say.

Before anyone suggests that I remove the tin-foil hat, that tin-foil hat came in handy during the Saints bounty scandal, when the NFL tried to put words in Anthony Hargrove’s mouth in order to bolster the appearance that Hargrove was anxious to recover payment for battering Vikings quarterback Brett Favre in the 2009 NFC title game. That tin-foil hat also came in handy when dissecting the backward-ass junk science of #DeflateGate, along with comparing Tom Brady’s sworn testimony during his internal appeal to the manner in which Brady’s words were distorted in the appeal ruling from Commissioner Roger Goodell.

Football players aren’t lawyers or linguists, skilled in properly maneuvering and manipulating words in order to avoid giving the league through inadvertence or lack of precision a chunk of syllables that can be used to support a Constanza-esque “a-ha!” and a finding of guilt that the league office is hoping to impose. So when the players tell the truth with words that may be bent into an alternative version of the truth, that’s a very good reason to not say anything.

Then there’s the possibility that they’ll be asked a laundry list of questions about any and all communications with Charles Sly, the former Guyer Institute employee/intern/whatever whose claims already have been deemed to be not credible as to retired quarterback Peyton Manning but somehow retain potential credibility as to Packers linebacker Clay Matthews, Packers linebacker Julius Peppers, Steelers linebacker James Harrison, and free-agent defensive lineman Mike Neal. If/when the players deny knowing, talking to, texting, or emailing Sly, next will quite possibly come the request for (drum roll, please) their cellphones, so that the absence of any communications with Sly can be confirmed.

Apart from the privacy concerns that prompted Tom Brady to balk at surrendering his phone, any forgotten or overlooked communication with Sly becomes a potential smoking gun, with the league assuming that the claim of no knowledge of or contact with Sly proves that the claims of PED use are true.

It’s entirely possible that the league is entering this process with a presumption of innocence and a desire to find evidence that will support the exoneration of the players. But it’s also entirely possible, based on past NFL investigations, that league is presuming guilt and looking for any shred of evidence to support a predetermined outcome of a PED violation. Knowing the recent history of the league office’s investigative tactics and not knowing whether the league has an agenda either to prove or disprove the allegations, Matthews, Peppers, Harrison, and Neal should tread lightly — and they should seriously consider pursuing a threshold ruling that there is no obligation for any players to give evidence that may be used against them in conjunction with a PED investigation unrelated to a positive test or a criminal prosecution.

104 responses to “The risks of submitting to a PED interview

  1. If I am the attorneys, I file a dec action in federal court, and subpoena Peyton Manning early on. Watch the NFL back off protecting their golden boy.

  2. In total agreement. Based on it’s recent history, the league office has already made up its mind, By submitting to an interview, the players will put themselves in position to be punished in this latest NFL witch hunt.

  3. Risk number 1: Roger Goodell and the NFL league office have a history of ignoring the facts and doing whatever they want without any consequences.

  4. None of them have failed a PED test. Case closed. Charles Sly has already recanted. The NFL has no evidence of wrongdoing outside of his recanted statements

  5. The NFLPA should have had a rep at Mannings interview. If they know exactly what was asked at that interview they should be prepared for any of these. If they had nothing on Peyton, they have nothing on these guys.

  6. “They call themselves “Sparrows”. Bloody fanatics! Religion has its place, of course, but to a certain point. They never would have come to the capital when Al Davis (sic) was alive.”

    Just confess, guys. It’s the only path to redemption.

  7. Goodell just wants everyone to come in and kiss his ring. Bow down to the master. When you don’t do that he comes down on you. Ray Rice went in a kissed the ring and only got 2 game for essentially pounding his wife’s face in.

  8. When you’re right, you’re right, Florio. Not to mention that if a player stupidly gave up his cellphone, how long before TMZ, Dead spin, etc get ahold of any embarrassing photos, texts, etc that may be entirely unrelated to this case? The NFL has shown they ain’t trustworthy, especially when it comes to personal lives.

  9. “…not knowing if the league has an agenda to either prove or disprove the allegations…”

    The agenda is to prove all allegations (true or not) until it’s so painful the NFL can cash in the executive disciplinary rights for billions in guaranteed salaries. This has been the agenda since the CBA was signed and TB12 and the Pats were the perfect mark to give this thing legs.

    No one considers the consequences when the blood of their enemy is in the water.

  10. Good blog post. Spot on. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Keeping quiet may be the better of two evils. Otherwise, they might get “Brady’d.”

  11. Mike Neal not being on 1 of 32 rosters right now tell me 32 GM’s think the outcome has already been decided.

  12. I have it. I have it! Why didn’t I think of this earlier? Every NFL player takes a bite of their favorite pot brownie and the NFLPA demands every player gets tested now.

    WWRD?

  13. I wouldn’t be surprised if Roger clears them all to show how “fair” he is.

    I love watching football games, but the rest of this crap belongs on some crappy reality show.

  14. Or maybe they don’t want to talk because they’re, you know, guilty? It’s at least as plausible a theory as the one put forward here.

  15. Wasn’t Peyton Manning implicated by this report? Wasn’t he cleared of any wrong-doing?

    So the report is 0-1, according to the NFL. Seems like a preponderance of evidence indicates the players are innocent, more likely than not.

  16. “..If, after all, the players have nothing to hide, why shouldn’t they talk?…”

    Right wing logic.
    The answer is that this is still America.
    An accuser needs to prove my guilt.
    I do NOT have to prove my innocence.
    That’s why.

  17. If all the Patriot haters could`ve been smart enough to be objective and see the process for what is was the NFL would`ve caved to public pressure like always and we wouldn`t have all these messes and the inevitable strike that is coming after this CBA is over.
    By being short sighted and fueled by hate instead of thinking about what`s best for the game you love you helped empower that idiot enough to ruin the game.
    And no i am in no way a Patriot fan.I just loved the NFL and could see how obvious it was that they thought they caught the Patriots then realized they looked like idiots for not knowing about the ideal gas law and then directed a investigation to find blame and save face. Anyone who paid attention to the facts and thinks they can trust Goodell and the NFL office goons is very very naive.

  18. Does anyone believe that if the data they got back from testing footballs last season proved them right it wouldn`t have been leaked all over ESPN?
    They sure can keep a secret better when the information hurts their case than helps it can`t they?

  19. Peyton Manning had nothing to lose he knew he was going to retire so he cooperated. But before the NFL could investigate he (Manning) had associates “clean up” his medical records. He also has an Archie in his pocket to help with the NFL front office.

    The other players don’t have anything like Manning they are SOL.

  20. Here’s the problem with “Just submitting to an interview” with a league investigator. The league has already established a precedent for determining guilt. With Tom Brady, they determined that the watermark for suspending a player is if they more probable than not, were involved in an illegal act. So, forget the premise that a player needs to just tell the truth, because if a league investigator decides that he doesn’t buy what the players say to him, then he can just tag them with the “more probable than not” that they took illegal PEDs. Don’t forget, that is what Ted Wells put in his report, and led to Brady’s suspension. And Wells, with zero legal jurisdiction, demanded that Tom Brady turn over a personal cell phone so he could look through it. What would keep another investigator from doing the same thing? These guys are doing the right thing by fighting this. The league has no grounds to investigate these players. They have ZERO lawful jurisdiction to have them make any statement regarding a report that has already been shown to be false. Goodell has hidden behind the “Integrity of the Shield” phrase for too long. That’s how he robbed the Skins and Cowboys of salary cap space, even though by doing so it was proven that the owners colluded to keep salaries down. This is worse than the WWE.

  21. people who are comparing this to deflategate are just plain stupid. this case has no credible evidence whatsoever. the patriots case included statements made by tammy brady and two other cheatriot employees that indicated a complex and repetitive trend of blatant cheating within the dirtiest organization in professional sports. just be thankful that your bush league organization didn’t have its “titles” vacated.

  22. I actually feel for Ted Wells and the law firm.
    It’s so incredibly obvious to him [and everyone]
    what the league wants and expects from the “investigation”. Wells was just trying to deliver an acceptable product to the client which hired him.
    Hargrove knows what’s what.
    And Ted Wells is even being sued by a
    former Saints coach for slander.
    Goodell is responsible, but is beyond reproach to the owners who are content with the money flow.

  23. “Mike Neal not being on 1 of 32 rosters right now tell me 32 GM’s think the outcome has already been decided.”

    ————-

    He retired knucklehead. SMH

  24. Couple of additional points:
    1) After Sly recanted, Al Jazeera claimed to have recordings of corroborating testimony from Guyer Inst of the allegations, but everyone seems to forget about that!
    2) HGH was against the rules before 2014 but not tested until the 2014 season. So saying any of these guys haven’t failed a PED test is (whilst a good character indicator) not actually directly relevant to any allegation of HGH say between 2010-2013. Ultimately, the guys are going to have to counter Al Jazeera with something more tangible than silence.

  25. NFL has proven over and over they dont care about facts that dont support what they have already decided.

    They have already decided all 4 will be suspended. There hasnt been 1 instance where they have ruled against themselves.

    So they need to lawyer up and sue Goodell for defamation. I cant wait until Brady sends Goodell to the poor house

  26. The NFLPA is currently trying to decide which of the four will submit to the interviews and which will go to court. If the NFL has no other credible evidence, Roger could finally be squirming by being confronted on both fronts. Divide and conquer!

  27. Adam Huntington says:
    Aug 17, 2016 7:45 PM
    “Mike Neal not being on 1 of 32 rosters right now tell me 32 GM’s think the outcome has already been decided.”
    ————-
    He retired knucklehead. SMH
    ////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Uh, no, he didn’t. He’s a free agent looking to sign anywhere that wants or needs him.

  28. In my humble opinion, Roger Goodell needs to go—-he has completely bungled numerous investigations, is not trusted by either the NFL players nor the NFL fans, and his rulings are all over the map. A great game is in the hands of a thin-skinned Puppet Master. Goodell must go!

  29. Adolf Goodell & his minions have already decided these 4 are guilty as I’m sure Ted Wells has added his 2 cents
    ALL because FOX Middle East – Al Jazeera claims this to be fact?, based on what?
    I’m sorry – How does Peyton get a free pass in all of this?, when the story broke it was about his link to HGH shipments to HIS home….supposedly for wife? sure it was…
    NOW we’re onto PED’s for these 4?
    With too much power wielded by the NFL, I don’t have a problem with these guys not speaking…I could care a less what rumors surrounded them concerning prior PED use “way back when” every time it comes up!
    The NFL can’t protect a shield that’s already tarnished!!

  30. Isn’t it amazing that the article only named four players and you can look at any of the four and see that they are on something. Mathews has every telltale sign their is of roid use. If you cant see he is juicing you are blind or a packer homer. The guy is Merriman 2.0 the only good thing to come from this is they may get more “random” test done on them and mathews play will drop like a rock.

  31. All you have to do is look to the NFL’s recent “controversies” to know exactly what they are up to. Bountygate, Deflategate, etc are all predetermined outcomes, which is why no player or coach would cooperate with ole Rog’

  32. The NFLPA should do a wildcat strike beginning the first game of this season. The NFL made 7.2 Billion dollars in league revenue in 2015. Shouldn’t take more than two weeks revenue loss for the NFL to decide they were just kidding, everybody get’s full pay and let’s get back to making some mo….oh I mean playing the game.

  33. Frankly I hope the players don’t cooperate, the league suspends them and then ALL THE PLAYERS STRIKE before the first regular season game. See how Goodel likes that.

    Yeah, I’m bitter about how the greatest game is being turned into a constant circus side show.

  34. Who the heck cares about all of the legal twists and would of should of’s?
    I just want those cheating Cheeeeeeeeesers to be suspended not for four games but the entire year!

  35. No way I submit to that interview if I’m a player. You want to test me for PEDs? Go ahead. Nothing in my contract says I have to submit to an interview because some turd decided to make s bunch of accusations.

  36. thenameisredskins says:
    Aug 17, 2016 7:35 PM
    Here’s the problem with “Just submitting to an interview” with a league investigator. The league has already established a precedent for determining guilt. With Tom Brady, they determined that the watermark for suspending a player is if they more probable than not, were involved in an illegal act. So, forget the premise that a player needs to just tell the truth, because if a league investigator decides that he doesn’t buy what the players say to him, then he can just tag them with the “more probable than not” that they took illegal PEDs. Don’t forget, that is what Ted Wells put in his report, and led to Brady’s suspension. And Wells, with zero legal jurisdiction, demanded that Tom Brady turn over a personal cell phone so he could look through it. What would keep another investigator from doing the same thing? These guys are doing the right thing by fighting this. The league has no grounds to investigate these players. They have ZERO lawful jurisdiction to have them make any statement regarding a report that has already been shown to be false. Goodell has hidden behind the “Integrity of the Shield” phrase for too long. That’s how he robbed the Skins and Cowboys of salary cap space, even though by doing so it was proven that the owners colluded to keep salaries down. This is worse than the WWE.

    —————-

    Mostly right, but good Lord, Wells NEVER asked for Brady’s phone.

  37. whoareyoutoquestionme says:
    Aug 17, 2016 7:37 PM
    As long as the player appears with his attorney, has the complete interviewed videotaped, receives a certified copy, the risks are minimal.
    —————————————————————-
    Furher Gooddell will NEVER agree to videotaping and certified copies. Look what happened during Brady’s appeal before der Furher — NFLPA wanted the transcript of the hearing made public and Goodell said NO. Only when it became public via Berman’s denial of sealed documents did we find out how blatantly der Furher twisted his testimony in the appeal ruling.

  38. I dont say this often but this was a very good article. If the NFL suspends these guys for not talking it will put me in the tin-hat club too. Ansurd that a struggling media outlet can generate a story with very little evidence that requires this reaction from players.

    The only thing i can add is a question on the CBA. How on earth is De Smith still the lead for nflpa? This guy created a terrible contract for the players and yet they still supportbhim, i just dont get it.

  39. Why is the NFL “out to get” it’s players? What ever happened to the good old days where you try to make the players look good and you have Mean Joe drinking a Coke.

    The reality show revenue is driving despicable leadership from the owners and Goodell who rather burn guys for media buzz than keep them on the field playing and happy.

  40. winninaintsinnin says:
    Aug 17, 2016 8:10 PM

    Easy

    Don’t cheat

    Hear me Pats, Pack, Steelers, etc

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    There are no innocent teams. Every team has been caught and every team has players that either have previously or are currently doing PEDs.

  41. I support the players in their right to remain silent. If the NFL has chosen to snare them, they will.

    That said, if the Al Jazeera report is soooooooo off base in their allegations of NFL PED use, how or why is it that baseball, based on the same report, suspended Taylor Teagarden for something like 80 games?

  42. Random thoughts about this:

    -We can’t rule out that the NFL has more evidence than just the Al Jazeera article. That could explain this oddly aggressive behavior.

    -Conversely, is it possible that the Owners WANT the players to strike so that they can crush the weakest union in professional sports and they’re simply using Goodell as an agitator?

    -Why haven’t any of the accused players sued Al Jazeera for libel? If my reputation was smeared by a lie, I’d have the guilty party in civil court immediately. I can’t help but wonder why not a single member of the accused has tried to fight the accusations in court.

  43. Kingjoie, NFL has had this power for 40 years. It’s not the power they have, it’s the imbecile that’s yielding it causing problems.

  44. 1. Is Ted Wells and his science book or in this case physiology books from 1575 involved?

    2. Will there be an “independent” investigation where you have no rights to the evidence or interviews collected by them?

    If yes to either, you better run

  45. NFL and Roger seem to think on the same line as the people who murdered astronomers for suggesting the sun is the center of our universe not earth, or burned explorers for suggesting the world wasn’t flat.

  46. kingjoe1 says:
    Aug 17, 2016 8:58 PM

    The only thing i can add is a question on the CBA. How on earth is De Smith still the lead for nflpa? This guy created a terrible contract for the players and yet they still supportbhim, i just dont get it.
    ***************
    Article 46 has been in the CBA since 1969. It’s just never been used in this manner until Deflategate.

  47. This article is a microcosim of what is wrong with this litigous society. Guys like Brady weasel out of trouble by lawyering up, then guys like Harrison need to be worried about telling the truth because his words may be “twisted”. Friggin lawyers…..

  48. I would like to see the players submit to the interrogation, but with one condition – all of it be televised, to ensure complete transparency. The broadcast should include the league presenting all of the incriminating evidence that the league is using to justify the interrogations.

    It’s time to quit playing games in the media, and for this whole mess to see the full light of day.

  49. Because the players don’t know whether the NFL has a predetermined outcome that the league is looking to support.

    You’re ab-so-lutely right… and I’m not a Patriots fan. DeMarco Smith screwed these guys three ways to Sunday.

    Why isn’t his a$$ being called out? Neville Chamberlain ushered in WWII. Seems like the NFLPA needs a Churchill….

    … or at least a guy that doesn’t give the NFL an open checkbook while cashing the player’s checks.

  50. Not sure these nut jobs keep attempting to somehow associate Bradycheat’s proven cheating to a case that doesnt have any proof. In Brady’s case, there text messages, bribes paid & witness tampering. This case has nothing at all….not even close to the same thing as BradyCheat….

  51. Why does everything involve a conspiracy theory? I think that the 4 players should submit to the interviews and tell the truth. This issue is becoming a distraction for their teams (Green Bay and Pittsburgh) that may risk the prospect of losing them with suspensions for not cooperating with the inquiry.
    If the players have nothing to hide then meet with the NFL and tell the truth. If they did take the PEDs, then they should face the consequences.

  52. If my employer wants to speak to me because someone said I used drugs while on the job, well I can’t deny them the opportunity. I’d be fired… I am an employee at will so they can easily let me go, but I don’t watch football to see someone cheat and I do believe that cheaters shouldn’t prosper, idk I have values I believe in that come before trying to fight authoritive figures who pay me millions.

  53. If they need to destroy their phones they are more likely than not lying aren’t they?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    No it does not indicate lying. Keep in mind thay had the phones of the equipment guys. Any texts concerning the deflation of the balls were already in the hands of the NFL.

    What the heaters have to try to do is be objective on this matter. Would you want to give up your phone? Have you ever texted someone and maybe said something that was private? Would you want that information made public? Now try to put yourself in the position of someone like Brady. Imagine the people he has on his contact list, imagine a comment made about a coach, team mate, loved one that could be made public? Imagine just the numbers in the contact list being made public? Please do not try to play the we will keep it secret card, they leak EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!

    What the players union should have done is make Goodell, Wells, Vincent, the idiot from the Jets, the imbecile from the Colts and anyone else involved submit their emails, texts, phonecall records etc… and see what really transpired. I bet none of them would have given up their phones either, if so, there is a very good chance they would look be even stupider than they do right now.

  54. Goodell’s gross and misdirected abuse of power is now beginning to hit teams not named Patriots or Saints. What a strange coincidence that lap dog sycophants at Jets (tampering), Colts (active drug addict as owner), Cowboys (amateur GM running once great franchise into the ground) so far skate. Even-handed arbitration is coming sooner rather than later At NFL’s DeathStar HQ, they think they have until the next contract negotiation with NFLPA to impose extreme martial law, but Goodell’s latest imitation of Capyain Qweeg of the Caine Mutiny is inviting a wildcat strike, possibly as early as this season.

  55. FoozieGrooler says:
    Aug 17, 2016 7:21 PM
    “..If, after all, the players have nothing to hide, why shouldn’t they talk?…”

    Right wing logic.
    The answer is that this is still America.
    An accuser needs to prove my guilt.
    I do NOT have to prove my innocence.
    That’s why

    Where was this logic during Framegate?

    why do people buy into the story of a proven repeat liar Goodell but won’t believe AlJazzera?

    I guess the name sounds too un-American. talk about right wing thinking!

  56. If you don’t know me by now, you will never ever know me at all.

    Harold Melvin evidently wrote Roger’s walking in theme song.

    Sadly, some still don’t know him and hang onto Framegate as if it were gospel.

    Amazing that after all this they still don’t get it. how do you square that the same guy lead about Manning and was truthful about the others? In Bizarre World of Hateriod logic, it makes sense.

  57. step one in the deflategate setup was to find a dupe to frame Brady. That dupe was supposed to be D’Qwell Jackson. they hadn’t counted on D’Qwell being an honest man so when he told the truth about never saying he felt the ball he intercepted was soft they had to leave that out in every version of the lie. notice how that never comes up in Wells or the 2nd circuit?

    now we have Sly, who actually did make a damming statement against Manning & others. so they send 2 guys posing as cops to Sly’s house and he miraculously recanted. They exonerate Manning since Sly had to be lying but go after the rest of these guys?

    If that doesn’t make you think, nothing will.

  58. says:
    Aug 17, 2016 7:17 PM

    Wasn’t Peyton Manning implicated by this report? Wasn’t he cleared of any wrong-doing?

    So the report is 0-1, according to the NFL. Seems like a preponderance of evidence indicates the players are innocent, more likely than not

    _________________________________

    I love the whole “Peyton was cleared” crowd.

    Seriously?!?!?! You think for a second they investigated anything on Peyton*? Mr. “have them ship the junk right to my house”. The arrogance of that guy is mind-blowing.

    NFL will never do anything to sully his name, least of all, investigate him.

    Where’s the details of the investigation? What did they actually do? Who did they interview? Where are the transcripts from the interviews?
    In the eyes of the NFL, Peyton* has a halo over his head and Brady has horns and spear.

    What a sham. People who think Peyton is innocent are perimeter fans who haven’t been paying attention or they root for Denver* Indy

    Where’s the random PSI measurements from last year? We’re still waiting?

    NFLSHAM

  59. Nothing will happen to ped manning his goons already took the files and intimidated the witness to changing his story, anyone who is innocence does those sort of things

  60. FoozieGrooler says:
    Aug 17, 2016 7:21 PM
    “..If, after all, the players have nothing to hide, why shouldn’t they talk?…”

    Right wing logic.
    The answer is that this is still America.
    An accuser needs to prove my guilt.
    I do NOT have to prove my innocence.
    That’s why.

    This is the first thing I have seen that you posted that I can agree with. But why didn’t you apply this thought to the Brady situation?

  61. handsofsteel

    the patriots case included statements made by tammy brady and two other cheatriot employees that indicated a complex and repetitive trend of blatant cheating within the dirtiest organization in professional sports.
    ==================================

    I find it unbelievable that after all that has been unveiled and the facts that are now known, that people still believe what the NFL leaked to their useful tools in the media to spread the myth that Brady used underinflated balls within a grand scheme.

    What statements were made by Brady and the ballboys that indicated a complex and repetitive trend of blatant cheating?

    was it the statement made, “I don’t think so, after he was asked to you cheat, which was after the NFL “leaked” the famous and now proven false 11 out of 12 balls were 2 psig below the legal limit?

    We know, because the Transcripts of the appeal process that Godell conducted, that Godell lied.

    We know the “deflator” was a term used in one email,6 months prior to the AFCCG.

    We know that Brady provided signed balls as a reward to the ballboys, and that this is a common practice in all sports.

    Yet, there are some that want to use these points as circumstantial evidence to say that Brady cheated.

    Yet, the NFL not releasing the psi readings is not circumstantial evidence that would throw out the puposeful underinflation scheme eon its face.

    We first saw the “facts” later disproven that the fumble rates of the Patriots “proved” they played with underinflated balls.

    We had claims that last year, playing with proper balls would be the demise of Brady. How’d that work out?

    Yet we still have people claiming that Brady made statements that PROVE his guilt!

    AMAZING

    And now with more and more evidence the entire motive of going after Brady was a purposeful contrived act by the NFL to broadly enforce Article 46 across first what would have been simply an equipment violation to now PED violations.

    And people remain sheeples to this!

    WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

  62. kingjoe

    How on earth is De Smith still the lead for nflpa? This guy created a terrible contract for the players
    ============================

    the contract was not created by DeSmith. It was renewed with minor revisions, the bulk of the terms are what has been in place for decades.

    It has only become a one sided agreement after two events.

    the first being godell’s interpretation of secondly the golden pass that the federal appellate court has provided from the Brady case.

    If you recall the amicus briefs filed on behalf of Brady and the NFLPA stated their fear that this would allow the NFL to run amok.

    More serious the Amicus briefs feared that such a ruling would allow such one side interpretations to spread beyond the NFL to all union v owner dealings.

    The unintended consequences of these two judges ruling in the NFL’s favor have only started to appear.

    Two morons.

  63. Interesting how many comments border on stupidity or ignorance as it pertains to this commissioner’s NFL. Goodell is the epitome of narcissism. He needs no reason to do whatever he chooses. He believes that in all cases and on all issues, he is sufficient reason for anything.
    He stole from Brady. And deserves to b

  64. Not sure these nut jobs keep attempting to somehow associate Bradycheat’s proven cheating to a case that doesnt have any proof. In Brady’s case, there text messages, bribes paid & witness tampering. This case has nothing at all….not even close to the same thing as BradyCheat….
    __________________________________________

    Witness tampering? What, does Brady have mob connections?

    As has been pointed out numerous times and is now proven fact, nothing said by Brady or any of the ball balls indiciates any sort of scheme to illegally deflate footballs. No text message indicates that. No email indicates that. And a 5-month investigation came well short of even proving a shred of evidence. I know you know this…you are just being a pathetic hater.

  65. For 19 months Patriots fans, and before them the Pittsburgh management, have been telling the dangers of the ‘conduct detrimental to the game’ clause. It’s open season on players, and the ‘season’ is one in which outcomes are heavily influenced by decisions in conference rooms rather than on playing fields.

  66. Maybe more players from Stanford and Penn will get drafted before studs from Wahoo University because, by handling themselves better at depositions, they’re more likely to stay on an active roster.

  67. Problem for the players is the NFL currently wins either way. Skip the interview and you’re suspended; do the interview and they’ll still find a reason to suspend you. If all else fails, they’ll just say that you were being uncooperative by proclaiming your innocence rather than confessing.

    Things are so out of whack right now Goodell could pick some guy and haul him in demanding a list of everybody on his team taking PEDs. If the guy wouldn’t supply a list he’d be banned for life. Once he had provided a list, Goodell could ban everybody on it without any proof whatsoever using nothing beyond their presence on the bogus list as being “harmful to the game.” Scary times to be an NFL player.

  68. When Brady was in his appeal with Roger Goodell as the prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner. Goodell just said, “I don’t believe him.”. Case closed… Fire this scum and poor excuse of a human.

  69. Good analysis here, but one very key point that’s glossed over is the default scenario… At present, choosing not to give an interview = suspension. Choosing that option ALSO means that NFLPA must go to court to seek an injunction to be able to play while it sorts out legally.

    It’s very unlikely that a few players/teams would simply eat a suspension to fight the NFLPA’s battle. That’s why I still predict the players will either cooperate under a “settlement” or file a lawsuit within the month.

  70. Roger “Tin Foil Hat” Goodell is going to spin this how he wants it to look.
    Look how he spun Spygate, Bountygate,Ray Rice and AP , Deflategate, Concussiongate. He will throw his weight around and whether it takes $25,000 or $8 million in legal fees, or he spends 7 days or 18 months investigating he will put his spin on it how he wants/ needs it to end.
    SMH- Roger needs to go.

  71. insightfulcomments says:
    Aug 17, 2016 8:49 PM
    If they need to destroy their phones they are more likely than not lying aren’t they?
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    Where would YOU draw the line?
    Phone records?
    Texts?
    Emails?
    Voice mails?
    Credit Card statements
    Financial records?

  72. lifetimefan says:
    Aug 18, 2016 5:31 AM

    ….What the players union should have done is make Goodell, Wells, Vincent, the idiot from the Jets, the imbecile from the Colts and anyone else involved submit their emails, texts, phonecall records etc… and see what really transpired. I bet none of them would have given up their phones either, if so, there is a very good chance they would look be even stupider than they do right now.
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    The NFLPA did attempt this in the Ray Rice case and “Good”ell refused to turn his phone over.

  73. The owners are just trying to exert their power over the players.

    They can be suspended if they don’t give interviews and they can be suspended if they do give interviews. So they might as well give them and get it over with.

    Let’s play some football.

  74. insightfulcomments says:
    Aug 17, 2016 8:49 PM
    If they need to destroy their phones they are more likely than not lying aren’t they?
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    Some people just don’t learn. The destroyed phone was a red herring in Brady’s case. They had all the pertinent text messages because the Patriots gave up all the team employee phone because they were team property. As I saw watching the Aaron Hernandez case, just because you break your phone in half doesn’t mean all your text messages go away. What Brady did was remove the ability of the NFL to release any pictures he had stored on his phone. If the NFL investigations were “air tight” and no info was released he might have been fine with turning it over, but as was proven by the press spending 2 days discussing the pool cover emails that he turned over to the league he did the absolute right thing. If he had turned his phone over we may very well have gotten naked pictures of his wife on the internet. Damn! Come to think of it he did cheat us.

  75. all these players on this list should be suspended and each team fined 1 million and lost of 1st and 3rd round picks since its more probable than not they are all guilty and the league doesn’t need evidence. Lets all put them on national TV attached to lie detector machines and the truth will set them free.

  76. When Tom gets unfairly tested for HGH he should bring his phone and film it and release it bit by bit on twitter. People will be prepared and know how unfair it is.

    Unions are what protects people from the greedy people who say you don’t need them… just trust ..BILLIONAIRES. Union is bad things. Trust Us. We will be fair….really fair.

  77. Thretosix says:
    Aug 18, 2016 10:03 AM

    When Brady was in his appeal with Roger Goodell as the prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner. Goodell just said, “I don’t believe him.”. Case closed… Fire this scum and poor excuse of a human.

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    Goodell was made to look stupid wen he and his staff had to admit that they didn’t know about the Ideal Gas Law. Just as Harbaugh was made to look stupid when the Pats lined up ineligible receivers. Goodell knew that Brady was telling the truth but by then he had already doubled down a couple of times; he was playing “bet your career” and was “all in”.

  78. cribbage12 says:
    Aug 17, 2016 7:09 PM

    I have it. I have it! Why didn’t I think of this earlier? Every NFL player takes a bite of their favorite pot brownie and the NFLPA demands every player gets tested now.

    WWRD?
    ………

    That is genius! or at one of the CBA negotiating meetings sneak pot into all of the owners’ coffee and danishes so even the owners wouldn’t pass the test.

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